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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Very pleased to be joined once again on the show
by Aurora Mayor Mike Kaufman, who has been doing a
lot of his own homework about what's really going on
with levels of gang activity and reported gang takeovers of
buildings and so on. And as I mentioned last week
to listeners, I said, look, I appreciate when a politician says,
(00:22):
I don't have all the information and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
But I'm going to find out.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm kind of tired of politicians who say, and I'm
not talking about this situation necessarily. You know here, I
know the answer when they don't. So I appreciate that
Mike took some time to do some homework and we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
To learn learn what he learned. First of all, morning,
Good morning, Mike, thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Here, Good morning, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One quick question from a listener that's sort of related
and sort of not. Has the new police chief been
sworn in yet?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
No? This afternoon. Very excited at Todd Chamberlain, a thirty
five year career with LAPD and then from there and
went to the LA School District has his own department
police department because they're so large and they filled their
own school resource officers, and he resigned from that after
(01:13):
the George Floyd issues where the board went way left
and became anti police and wanted to slash this budget
by an enormous amount, and then he resigned and I
appreciate that, and now we got him, and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
If you were going to pick one character trait, not
a resume point, but a character trait of the of
the new chief, what do you what do you see
in him that you really liked?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, he exudes confidence, he I think, and he
has the broken windows philosophy that I have that you
don't let small things go, you get everything, because if
you don't let small things go, you create a culture
where bigger things happen. I think he's got a real
can do attitude, and he's incredibly ouriculate and does well
(02:01):
with the press.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Remind me of his name again, Todd Chamberlain. Todd Chamberlain.
All right, I look forward to having a chance to
talk to him at some point. And then one other
question before we get to the various gang stuff and
the homework you've been doing. I don't know that all
my listeners really understand the political structure of Aurora. And
I don't know that all my listeners have even ever
(02:22):
heard the term city manager. And a lot of people
might assume that somebody with the title mayor really is
the boss with day to day control of the city.
But in a city that has a city manager, that
is not always true, and it is not true in Aurora.
So can you please explain the role of the city
manager in Aurora.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sure, we have a city manager form of government, where
the city manager is responsible for running really the day
to day operations of the city. So the police chief,
in fact, will report directly to the city manager. The
role of the mayor and council is really to say, okay,
if we disagree with the way the cities run operationally
(03:05):
on a day to day basis, then we certainly fire
the city manager and maybe fire senior people like the
chief of police. But the role of the manager, the
mayor and council is really is set policy.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, So the police chief, except in times where you're
making rules and making law and meeting in city council,
the police chief is not a direct report to you.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's a direct report to the city manager. Right, that's correct, Okay,
all right, So I want.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
To I got two things I want to ask you
about now. So you spent a little time over the
past week or so going to do your own homework,
and I noted that, like the people at nine News,
who have done some of the worst coverage that I
could imagine of this gang related stuff, they said that
Aurora mayor changes messaging on Venezuelan gang activity. So I
(03:57):
would like you to tell us what you know, what
you've learned, what you thought maybe what you think different
now about the level of gang activity in Aurora, and
and specifically this whole thing about taking over buildings.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, initially, the briefing I got by the Aurora Police
Department was that, uh, a gang had kind of taken
over the buildings, uh, chased away the property managers and
what and in doing so, we're essentially collecting the rent,
extorting uh the tenants. You know what I've found since then.
(04:33):
You know, obviously something bad happened. Uh, But I've you know,
been on the property quite a bit since then, talking
to tenants, and you know, they're withholding the rent. They're
not paying they're not paying it to anybody, They never
paid it to anybody else. They're just withholding the rank
(04:53):
because there's no on site property manager that there to
collect the rent and that and then their services that
you know not being provided, whether you know, maintaining the
apartments and or you know, things like collecting trash and
trash remobile and things like that. So you know, we
need to get down to the bottom of you know,
(05:14):
what really happened, but where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Wait, hold on, but sorry, before we get to where
we are now, because there's some interesting stuff that happened.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You told me on Friday when I asked you if
you wanted.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
To be on the show, you said, not yet because
we're negotiating, and you wouldn't tell me what you were negotiating.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Which is fine, you don't need you don't need to
tell me that.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
But now we know, and I want to get to
that in a second, but just for one moment, I just.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Want to stick with the gang thing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So, you know, there were some people saying there's no
problem at all, and then Danielle Jorinsky, who I like
a lot, by the way, what was saying like, we've
got really serious problems here, and it was like, we're
living in escape from New York, escape from Aurora. So
what do you think the truth is about the level
of gang activity in Aurora. And do you think that
(05:59):
it has gotten measurably worse over the past couple of
years with the busloads of illegal immigrants who've been sent
here from from Texas.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
No, I think it has gotten worse. You know, we
need to figure out how how I think it's being
exaggerated as to how bad it is. But so there's
two things I need to get down to the bottom of.
Number one. Well, first of all, the gang is there's
no gang in control of either two apartment complexes at
(06:30):
this time. We want the the owner to put on
side property managers in both. We've pledged to put some
APD or police department officers with that individual with those individuals,
but they need to regain control of the property and
if they don't, we're going to have to close the
(06:50):
properties down. And that's really a last resort. The so
when I look at the origins of their and and
and they're they're bad in the sense that when the
during the height of the migrant crisis, Mayor Mike Johnston
came to me and said would you help? And I
said no. And the reason why I said no was
(07:13):
because we didn't create this problem. The federal government created
this problem at the border with its immigration policies, and
so the federal government has to resolve these problems. And
and I think by acquiescing to them, uh, you know,
may made us a party two to the problem. And
so I said no, and I said I would join you.
(07:36):
If you want to go to the Biden administration, I'll
stand shoulder the shoulder with you and say we've got
to we've got to change policies at the border. He said, well,
I'm talking to the Biden administration. But his approach was
to say that the problem is not the policies at
the border. The problem is that we need to disperse
the people across the United States and not not concentrate
(07:58):
them in Denver. Then what happened, I think is is
I believe that there were that and I don't, and
we need to I want to do an investigation as
to how this happened, but that that the state and
or federal government, and it could have been Dever as
part of this, might have their fingerprints on this. Put
(08:21):
migrants in Aurora without ever telling us. Now, we said
we would put no tax dollars to support the migrants,
and nor would we be a conduit for federal dollars
or state or federal resources to assist. And so what
they did is they bypassed the city and went directly
in to nonprofits. I believe they did that, and so
(08:42):
I don't know what they did, but probably paid some
free rent and maybe that was the attraction for this
really is an as my lord to put them in
his properties.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Well, okay, so let me get back to a couple
of things. So you talked about needing to bring in
property manager with police protection to kind of regain control
of the properties, but regain control the properties from home.
If gangs aren't running it, who who's running these properties?
Is it just lawless? Is it escape from Aurora in
those buildings?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Like where are we regaining it's running?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Nobody's running the properties, is not being maintained, the tenants
aren't paying rent to anybody. Trash, you know, basic services
like trash men, trash removal not being provided. And so
you know, the the owner's got a choice. I mean
he can either you know, put you know, quite frankly
(09:39):
it wants us to buy the properties. That's just not
gonna happen. So he can you know, put you know people, uh,
you know, put put property managers there, will support them
to start collecting rent, just maintain the property, to provide
services like trash movele. But if he doesn't do it,
we're gonna have to close the property.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, So do you think it was ever true that
gangs controlled those buildings? You know that famous video? Now
do you think that represented the 't know that they can.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think that there there there was a criminal element
that used the buildings at one time. I think that's
very clear, and that the uh you know that that
they could have been you know, the property managers could
have been pretimidated. I think that's likely and left the property.
(10:31):
But also I think that you've got an out of
state flum lord who's being sued in one of his properties,
a class class action sued by by the tenants who
who were you know, we closed the property down because
of habitability issues. And I think what he's trying to
draw is a narrative that I'm not able to maintain
(10:52):
the buildings because of game related activities. And believe them, no,
certainly not in the known property that was not the case,
and today that's certainly not the case in these two
other complexes that you know, I was able to walk
through on Sunday yesterday afternoon, and that you know, went over,
(11:15):
you know, in a number of times to look at
the met with the tenants from both properties, and so
that this's just he just that's just not true. And
so he needs to again go back and take control
of those properties or certainly sell them to somebody else,
or they might wind up in receivership anyway. But we
(11:37):
can't be in a situation where these properties are allowed
to you know, deteriorate on their own.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
There was I think a CBS report, because nine News
has completely dropped the ball on this thing. There was
a CBS report about a study done by a former
US attorney I think at Perkins Coui and and I
think it was done maybe for a bank that has
a loan out on these properties perhaps, but it sounded
(12:06):
much more dire about the properties than than you do.
Did you see that story? Did you see that report?
If so, what do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah? I thought at one time, but I think that
it's trying to reinforce the narrative that you know, that
they that the properties could be maintained because of that
because of game related activity, but again might have been true.
All those things might have been into it one time,
not true now. And I think that people are trying
to present the narrative that that the situation's unchanged and
(12:37):
that or that these properties are still under control of gangs,
and that's simply not true.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We're talking with Aurora Mayor Mike Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So there were a few news outlets and I'm looking
at Denver Gazette right now and I'll just read this.
Aurora officials agreed to drop all charges against the owner
of the Aspen Grove apartment complex in exchange for selling
the property, leasing it or a similar disposition, and assuming
the cost to board up and secure the building. The
Denver Gazette has learned. So that sounds a little bit
(13:09):
different than what I think you just said to me.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Letting that with the two properties that we're talking about, Okay,
there's a third property that's the known property and that
was already closed down capitability concerns. I went to that
property over a year ago with council Member Angela Lawson
at the request of the tenants, and they were showing
me incredible you know, habitability concerns and code violations at
(13:34):
that time we were in court with the owner, and no,
there was no mention of any gang activity at that time.
And so if you look at the history of the building,
that's just not consistent with what he's saying. But they're taking,
they're mistakenly taking the circumstances around that building and applying
them and assuming that they up there to the two
(13:55):
other buildings that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, And just to be clear, it looks like this
is talking about fifteen six eight Nome Street.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So I don't know that they are saying that this
applies to everything, but.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But that certainly applies and that again was closed down
to habitability concerns.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, So it does, but it's clear to note then
it's important to note that it doesn't apply to the
other what other two buildings, that's correct. And so so
this one that's been closed for a while, the owner
is basically going to have to sell it or lease
it or or something in return for which you'll, you guys,
will drop the charges against him. But the buildings that
(14:31):
are still inhabited, there is a situation, there is a
scenario that could happen where the current ownership maintains ownership
if they start behaving as proper owners Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, so yeah, we what we really you know, we
want the owner to assume responsibility or people there. We
we really don't want to close these buildings down, and
so certainly that's the whole So, but we haven't heard
that that offer was made to the owner on Thursday afternoon.
We've not heard a response yet.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, one last thing.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So I mentioned Danielle Jerinsky, who I really like her
a lot, and you and Danielle are both Republicans and
political allies, but have been on a somewhat.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Different page here.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
What do you to what do you ascribe the difference
between your view of the situation and Danielle's view of
the situation Two different goals.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, my goal is to bring this situation to
a conclusion as soon as possible and repair the city's image.
I think, quite frankly, her goal is political, and that
is to continue the issue, continue a narrative that these
two complexes are gain controlled, and continue that narrative through
(15:51):
the November election.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's a remarkable thing to hear one Republican say about another.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You don't hear that very.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Often, nice close up.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Mike Kaufman is the mayor of Aurora.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Also served in the US Army and the United States
Marine Corps. Thank you for your service, and I always
make sure to say that, and thanks for your time today, Michaeh.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I appreciate it.
Very pleased to be joined once again on the show
by Aurora Mayor Mike Kaufman, who has been doing a
lot of his own homework about what's really going on
with levels of gang activity and reported gang takeovers of
buildings and so on. And as I mentioned last week
to listeners, I said, look, I appreciate when a politician says,
(00:22):
I don't have all the information and I don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
But I'm going to find out.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
I'm kind of tired of politicians who say, and I'm
not talking about this situation necessarily. You know here, I
know the answer when they don't. So I appreciate that
Mike took some time to do some homework and we're here.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
To learn learn what he learned. First of all, morning,
Good morning, Mike, thanks for being.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
Here, Good morning, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
One quick question from a listener that's sort of related
and sort of not. Has the new police chief been
sworn in yet?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
No? This afternoon. Very excited at Todd Chamberlain, a thirty
five year career with LAPD and then from there and
went to the LA School District has his own department
police department because they're so large and they filled their
own school resource officers, and he resigned from that after
(01:13):
the George Floyd issues where the board went way left
and became anti police and wanted to slash this budget
by an enormous amount, and then he resigned and I
appreciate that, and now we got him, and I'm very excited.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
If you were going to pick one character trait, not
a resume point, but a character trait of the of
the new chief, what do you what do you see
in him that you really liked?
Speaker 3 (01:39):
You know, he exudes confidence, he I think, and he
has the broken windows philosophy that I have that you
don't let small things go, you get everything, because if
you don't let small things go, you create a culture
where bigger things happen. I think he's got a real
can do attitude, and he's incredibly ouriculate and does well
(02:01):
with the press.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Remind me of his name again, Todd Chamberlain. Todd Chamberlain.
All right, I look forward to having a chance to
talk to him at some point. And then one other
question before we get to the various gang stuff and
the homework you've been doing. I don't know that all
my listeners really understand the political structure of Aurora. And
I don't know that all my listeners have even ever
(02:22):
heard the term city manager. And a lot of people
might assume that somebody with the title mayor really is
the boss with day to day control of the city.
But in a city that has a city manager, that
is not always true, and it is not true in Aurora.
So can you please explain the role of the city
manager in Aurora.
Speaker 3 (02:44):
Sure, we have a city manager form of government, where
the city manager is responsible for running really the day
to day operations of the city. So the police chief,
in fact, will report directly to the city manager. The
role of the mayor and council is really to say, okay,
if we disagree with the way the cities run operationally
(03:05):
on a day to day basis, then we certainly fire
the city manager and maybe fire senior people like the
chief of police. But the role of the manager, the
mayor and council is really is set policy.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Okay, So the police chief, except in times where you're
making rules and making law and meeting in city council,
the police chief is not a direct report to you.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
It's a direct report to the city manager. Right, that's correct, Okay,
all right, So I want.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
To I got two things I want to ask you
about now. So you spent a little time over the
past week or so going to do your own homework,
and I noted that, like the people at nine News,
who have done some of the worst coverage that I
could imagine of this gang related stuff, they said that
Aurora mayor changes messaging on Venezuelan gang activity. So I
(03:57):
would like you to tell us what you know, what
you've learned, what you thought maybe what you think different
now about the level of gang activity in Aurora, and
and specifically this whole thing about taking over buildings.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Well, initially, the briefing I got by the Aurora Police
Department was that, uh, a gang had kind of taken
over the buildings, uh, chased away the property managers and
what and in doing so, we're essentially collecting the rent,
extorting uh the tenants. You know what I've found since then.
(04:33):
You know, obviously something bad happened. Uh, But I've you know,
been on the property quite a bit since then, talking
to tenants, and you know, they're withholding the rent. They're
not paying they're not paying it to anybody, They never
paid it to anybody else. They're just withholding the rank
(04:53):
because there's no on site property manager that there to
collect the rent and that and then their services that
you know not being provided, whether you know, maintaining the
apartments and or you know, things like collecting trash and
trash remobile and things like that. So you know, we
need to get down to the bottom of you know,
(05:14):
what really happened, but where we are right now.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Wait, hold on, but sorry, before we get to where
we are now, because there's some interesting stuff that happened.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
You told me on Friday when I asked you if
you wanted.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
To be on the show, you said, not yet because
we're negotiating, and you wouldn't tell me what you were negotiating.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
Which is fine, you don't need you don't need to
tell me that.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
But now we know, and I want to get to
that in a second, but just for one moment, I just.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Want to stick with the gang thing.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
So, you know, there were some people saying there's no
problem at all, and then Danielle Jorinsky, who I like
a lot, by the way, what was saying like, we've
got really serious problems here, and it was like, we're
living in escape from New York, escape from Aurora. So
what do you think the truth is about the level
of gang activity in Aurora. And do you think that
(05:59):
it has gotten measurably worse over the past couple of
years with the busloads of illegal immigrants who've been sent
here from from Texas.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
No, I think it has gotten worse. You know, we
need to figure out how how I think it's being
exaggerated as to how bad it is. But so there's
two things I need to get down to the bottom of.
Number one. Well, first of all, the gang is there's
no gang in control of either two apartment complexes at
(06:30):
this time. We want the the owner to put on
side property managers in both. We've pledged to put some
APD or police department officers with that individual with those individuals,
but they need to regain control of the property and
if they don't, we're going to have to close the
(06:50):
properties down. And that's really a last resort. The so
when I look at the origins of their and and
and they're they're bad in the sense that when the
during the height of the migrant crisis, Mayor Mike Johnston
came to me and said would you help? And I
said no. And the reason why I said no was
(07:13):
because we didn't create this problem. The federal government created
this problem at the border with its immigration policies, and
so the federal government has to resolve these problems. And
and I think by acquiescing to them, uh, you know,
may made us a party two to the problem. And
so I said no, and I said I would join you.
(07:36):
If you want to go to the Biden administration, I'll
stand shoulder the shoulder with you and say we've got
to we've got to change policies at the border. He said, well,
I'm talking to the Biden administration. But his approach was
to say that the problem is not the policies at
the border. The problem is that we need to disperse
the people across the United States and not not concentrate
(07:58):
them in Denver. Then what happened, I think is is
I believe that there were that and I don't, and
we need to I want to do an investigation as
to how this happened, but that that the state and
or federal government, and it could have been Dever as
part of this, might have their fingerprints on this. Put
(08:21):
migrants in Aurora without ever telling us. Now, we said
we would put no tax dollars to support the migrants,
and nor would we be a conduit for federal dollars
or state or federal resources to assist. And so what
they did is they bypassed the city and went directly
in to nonprofits. I believe they did that, and so
(08:42):
I don't know what they did, but probably paid some
free rent and maybe that was the attraction for this
really is an as my lord to put them in
his properties.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Well, okay, so let me get back to a couple
of things. So you talked about needing to bring in
property manager with police protection to kind of regain control
of the properties, but regain control the properties from home.
If gangs aren't running it, who who's running these properties?
Is it just lawless? Is it escape from Aurora in
those buildings?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Like where are we regaining it's running?
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Nobody's running the properties, is not being maintained, the tenants
aren't paying rent to anybody. Trash, you know, basic services
like trash men, trash removal not being provided. And so
you know, the the owner's got a choice. I mean
he can either you know, put you know, quite frankly
(09:39):
it wants us to buy the properties. That's just not
gonna happen. So he can you know, put you know people, uh,
you know, put put property managers there, will support them
to start collecting rent, just maintain the property, to provide
services like trash movele. But if he doesn't do it,
we're gonna have to close the property.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Okay, So do you think it was ever true that
gangs controlled those buildings? You know that famous video? Now
do you think that represented the 't know that they can.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
I think that there there there was a criminal element
that used the buildings at one time. I think that's
very clear, and that the uh you know that that
they could have been you know, the property managers could
have been pretimidated. I think that's likely and left the property.
(10:31):
But also I think that you've got an out of
state flum lord who's being sued in one of his properties,
a class class action sued by by the tenants who
who were you know, we closed the property down because
of habitability issues. And I think what he's trying to
draw is a narrative that I'm not able to maintain
(10:52):
the buildings because of game related activities. And believe them, no,
certainly not in the known property that was not the case,
and today that's certainly not the case in these two
other complexes that you know, I was able to walk
through on Sunday yesterday afternoon, and that you know, went over,
(11:15):
you know, in a number of times to look at
the met with the tenants from both properties, and so
that this's just he just that's just not true. And
so he needs to again go back and take control
of those properties or certainly sell them to somebody else,
or they might wind up in receivership anyway. But we
(11:37):
can't be in a situation where these properties are allowed
to you know, deteriorate on their own.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
There was I think a CBS report, because nine News
has completely dropped the ball on this thing. There was
a CBS report about a study done by a former
US attorney I think at Perkins Coui and and I
think it was done maybe for a bank that has
a loan out on these properties perhaps, but it sounded
(12:06):
much more dire about the properties than than you do.
Did you see that story? Did you see that report?
If so, what do you make of it?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Yeah? I thought at one time, but I think that
it's trying to reinforce the narrative that you know, that
they that the properties could be maintained because of that
because of game related activity, but again might have been true.
All those things might have been into it one time,
not true now. And I think that people are trying
to present the narrative that that the situation's unchanged and
(12:37):
that or that these properties are still under control of gangs,
and that's simply not true.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
We're talking with Aurora Mayor Mike Kaufman.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
So there were a few news outlets and I'm looking
at Denver Gazette right now and I'll just read this.
Aurora officials agreed to drop all charges against the owner
of the Aspen Grove apartment complex in exchange for selling
the property, leasing it or a similar disposition, and assuming
the cost to board up and secure the building. The
Denver Gazette has learned. So that sounds a little bit
(13:09):
different than what I think you just said to me.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Letting that with the two properties that we're talking about, Okay,
there's a third property that's the known property and that
was already closed down capitability concerns. I went to that
property over a year ago with council Member Angela Lawson
at the request of the tenants, and they were showing
me incredible you know, habitability concerns and code violations at
(13:34):
that time we were in court with the owner, and no,
there was no mention of any gang activity at that time.
And so if you look at the history of the building,
that's just not consistent with what he's saying. But they're taking,
they're mistakenly taking the circumstances around that building and applying
them and assuming that they up there to the two
(13:55):
other buildings that we're talking about.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Okay, And just to be clear, it looks like this
is talking about fifteen six eight Nome Street.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So I don't know that they are saying that this
applies to everything, but.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
But that certainly applies and that again was closed down
to habitability concerns.
Speaker 1 (14:08):
Okay, So it does, but it's clear to note then
it's important to note that it doesn't apply to the
other what other two buildings, that's correct. And so so
this one that's been closed for a while, the owner
is basically going to have to sell it or lease
it or or something in return for which you'll, you guys,
will drop the charges against him. But the buildings that
(14:31):
are still inhabited, there is a situation, there is a
scenario that could happen where the current ownership maintains ownership
if they start behaving as proper owners Is that what
you're saying?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Yeah, so yeah, we what we really you know, we
want the owner to assume responsibility or people there. We
we really don't want to close these buildings down, and
so certainly that's the whole So, but we haven't heard
that that offer was made to the owner on Thursday afternoon.
We've not heard a response yet.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
Okay, one last thing.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
So I mentioned Danielle Jerinsky, who I really like her
a lot, and you and Danielle are both Republicans and
political allies, but have been on a somewhat.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
Different page here.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
What do you to what do you ascribe the difference
between your view of the situation and Danielle's view of
the situation Two different goals.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
I mean, my goal is to bring this situation to
a conclusion as soon as possible and repair the city's image.
I think, quite frankly, her goal is political, and that
is to continue the issue, continue a narrative that these
two complexes are gain controlled, and continue that narrative through
(15:51):
the November election.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
That's a remarkable thing to hear one Republican say about another.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
You don't hear that very.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
Often, nice close up.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Mike Kaufman is the mayor of Aurora.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
Also served in the US Army and the United States
Marine Corps. Thank you for your service, and I always
make sure to say that, and thanks for your time today, Michaeh.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I appreciate it.
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