The Troubleshooter 11-06-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, ripped up. You needed that, so you don't have.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Come running.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Just as fast as we can shoot is gonna help
come man, Dix.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Is the Troubleshooter Show. Now, Tom Martino, Hey, I'm.

Speaker 4 (00:25):
Tom Martino, and I welcome you to the show. And,
as I like to say, the only show anywhere of
its kind. You know, so many times I hear people
bitching and moaning about a problem. Might be at a restaurant,
might be walking through a store, It might be in
casual conversation, or people just come up to me at
a restaurant and say, Hey, Tom, what about this?

Speaker 5 (00:44):
What about that?

Speaker 4 (00:46):
One thing? I one thing I have to tell you
about consumer problems that I've been doing this for fifty
more than well about fifty years, but in Denver forty
five years, I think fifty one or fifty two years,
all told, one thing I noticed that people have tendency
to do. Sometimes the first thing is to deny, and
you just push it to the background. You know, you
don't want to deal with it. It's a pain in

(01:07):
the ass. You just don't want to deal with it.
And I understand that. I understand that, but then you
kind of then the more you don't want to think
about it, the more you kind of shy away from it,
or you hope things will work out and you don't
confront them straight up.

Speaker 6 (01:22):
That's one problem I've noticed a lot.

Speaker 4 (01:26):
And what I'm telling you is if someone's lying to you,
or shining you on, or giving you a little story
or a song and a dance, I like to say
the little tap.

Speaker 6 (01:39):
If somebody is you can tell, you can tell.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
And it's a terrible feeling God, especially when you've given
money to someone and you know, damn well they don't
have them, they don't have the wherewithal the pay you back.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
How ridiculous is that?

Speaker 4 (01:55):
By the way, Major Mark Major, let me bring up
the worst streaming And if you're watching you, I'll see
this big strapping guy next to me, Mike Robinson, and
he is the owner of Smith's Flumming Heat and Cooling
Electric and whatever, all in Colorado Springs. And I saved up,
by the way, a bunch of HVAC problems. Now they

(02:15):
may not be in his neck it was, but no matter.
I save up a lot in my folders for when
I have guests on, and I'll tell you HVAC problems.
Something people don't let fester. They don't have heat. They
don't have heat. It's a problem. I got one right
off the bat. That's I mean, some of these are technical,
some of them are not, but some of them are.

(02:36):
You know, what the heck? What the heck is going
on here?

Speaker 6 (02:39):
But anyway, Mike, I want to say hi to.

Speaker 4 (02:41):
You, Welcome, Thanks tom Ya great to be here and
it's always nice to see you. Bro. How's business basically going?
Get close to that, Mic, sir, how's business going?

Speaker 7 (02:50):
Well, it's been you know, a few tough years, i'd
say the last three years.

Speaker 8 (02:55):
Why is that?

Speaker 4 (02:56):
People? I've heard that in the HVAC business in general?

Speaker 6 (02:59):
What's going on?

Speaker 8 (03:00):
Well?

Speaker 5 (03:00):
I've got a couple of theories.

Speaker 7 (03:01):
One is, if we go back to the housing crisis
of two thousand and six, five, six seven, those were
those are tough years in.

Speaker 5 (03:09):
The in the UH, in the new.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Build west wayback though, right, So what helps? So there's
less to be coming up for replacement? Oh? I never
even thought of that. So that big recession that caused
a slowdown in installs and new builds now is causing
a slowdown on replacements and maintenance.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Yes, So what happens that we serve on that one.

Speaker 6 (03:34):
Hold on this guy.

Speaker 4 (03:35):
I you know, I've never actually looked at it that way, Major, Mark, Major.
By the way, I'm going to bring the studio up hey,
Zon Max in a meeting, but you have Sues and
deputy Doc here. Mark will be here in a minute,
sus and Deputy Doc. I don't think we have ever
heard an explanation for the little lull in general in

(03:58):
the HVAC business, installs, installs and new builds slowed down
back during the Great Recession, and now would be the
time you're looking for maintenance and replacements.

Speaker 8 (04:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (04:12):
One of the things to look at, and I've obviously Tom,
you know, I've been doing this almost forty years. One
of the things we always look at is the ARHI data.
For what is that that's the data of all the manufacturers,
the shipments the into the market.

Speaker 6 (04:27):
Okay, and what do you find the.

Speaker 7 (04:29):
Trends are as as data, historical data look at about
twelve to fifteen years.

Speaker 4 (04:36):
And let me invite callers, by the way, for anything.
So three h three seven one three talks seven one
three eight two five five go ahead.

Speaker 7 (04:43):
So it's almost like a perfect storm, right, So we
had to slow down the equipment, the new build equipment,
which isn't quite as robust as the replacement equipment. So
we have a slow down in the build. And what
that does is it the number of units ship that
time was significantly less, like significantly less during that recession.

Speaker 4 (05:04):
I think it was like, yeah, forty to sixty percent
down depending on what it was.

Speaker 7 (05:08):
And so all those units that were installed or not
coming up for replacement or service or maintenance, the service
or maintenance will be there because it'll be over ten
years old. But that's one part. The second part is,
of course, it's it's been a lean it's been lean
for people with everything in life. I mean groceries, gasoline, utilities,

(05:29):
everything I know.

Speaker 5 (05:30):
And then the lack of available what i'll call reasonable credit.

Speaker 7 (05:35):
So we got to the point last year where we
were looking at unsecured reasonable the credit score.

Speaker 5 (05:45):
People were looking at twelve.

Speaker 7 (05:46):
Percent twelve point nine nine percent to finance a furnace
in air conditioners, so they weren't doing it. We were
telling them not to do it. Our own company, we
were saying, hey.

Speaker 4 (05:55):
So what's what some people do? I mean, come on,
when you have when you have people that need a replacement,
what the hell do they do? Well, I don't know,
what do you do?

Speaker 5 (06:05):
Yeah? So so there's there's.

Speaker 7 (06:08):
There's there's a quote unquote need for it when when
the repairs. So you have a compressor that goes back right, okay,
and it's a unit that's over ten years old, so
it's out of warranty. Yes, one hundred percent, you need
to replace it. You have a heat exchanger that ends
up with a hole in it.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
Or something like that, you're you're not You're going to
reunice it.

Speaker 7 (06:27):
But virtually anything else, while the the the repair cost
might be high, you you might buy yourself a couple
more years if you can't come out of pocket.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
For a replacement.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
What's realistic right now? Right now? On a brand new,
beautiful furnace. Do you do Carrier?

Speaker 5 (06:46):
We do Carrier? Yes, a lot of people do carriers.

Speaker 4 (06:48):
So those are so let's say a top of the
line Carrier. How long will it really last me if
I take care of it?

Speaker 5 (06:57):
A top of them? Not the older ones, but the
newer ones.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
Tom just no, not top of a really good standard
well standards of brand, a really good unit from Carrier,
a really good unit. So you're not the best not
the worst, a really good unit. How long will that last?
If I take reasonable care of.

Speaker 7 (07:17):
Normally a furnace will will last longer than air conditioner.
So furnaces will last fifteen to twenty years.

Speaker 4 (07:25):
But can't they last longer than that? For God's sakes?
Normally I mean a new one today.

Speaker 6 (07:31):
Would last more than would last twenty years or more.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
I would say twenty years.

Speaker 4 (07:35):
You're pushing the ar you see, And this goes to
my topic of amortization. When people buy a house, they
don't admortize costs. So let's just say in that many
years we could be looking at a twenty five thousand
dollars bill in I'm talking about in the future for
top of the line, let's say twenty years. Yes, okay,

(07:59):
so if you twenty five thousand by your twenty years,
you're looking at this this. I know this show doesn't
get sexy a lot, but it gets mathematical and it's real.
If you have a kid out looking for a house,
they have to Now let's just listen to this. It's
not unreasonable to expect a twenty five thousand dollars bill
in twenty years. Okay, that's not Maybe if.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
Oh I hope not.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
People scrape by to buy a house, right, so you
scrape by, you buy the house. But what you don't
realize is twelve hundred and fifty dollars a year has
to be budgeted for a future expense unless you know,
I mean, no matter what, even if you move, the
next house you have will have amortized expenses. So twelve hundred,

(08:43):
let's say, one hundred dollars a month. So if you
don't somehow have savings for the future, you're one hundred
dollars a month in the negative. Now, if you take
into consideration water heaters and other things in a house, roofing, well,
roofing is mostly but let's just say in general what
I call amortized costs. We have a lot of kids

(09:06):
looking to buy places. And what they do is they
figure their mortgage, their taxes and their insurance. They figure utilities,
they figure what they're gonna eat. But what they don't figure, Mike,
is what I call amortized expenses.

Speaker 5 (09:24):
And you know, being and it's real, it's a lot.

Speaker 7 (09:27):
Yeah, I mean, we we do all of it right,
electrical plumbing and hvac so uh and into our qualities.
Those are real expenses, and it gets worse if you
have an older home with a sewer or or lord
help you have an advertised expenses. Yeah, I mean you're
talking at least double that number you got up.

Speaker 5 (09:45):
Now.

Speaker 4 (09:46):
I don't know what Bill's calling about, but I'll bring
them up. If he's there, I'll give priority to callers. Bill.

Speaker 6 (09:52):
Oh, he's not ready out. Okay, I'm gonna take this
quick break.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
I'm Tom Martinez three h three seven one three talks
seven one three eight two five five Now Mike Smith
Smith's how north you go?

Speaker 9 (10:00):
Mine?

Speaker 5 (10:01):
We come? We come down to the southern Denver market.

Speaker 4 (10:04):
Now okay, wow, wow, okay, I have.

Speaker 7 (10:06):
A little one hundred guys now Tom and oh my
god trucks and down to Pueblo we go all the
way to Kenyon City.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Holy crap. Anyway, I also have a client, uh hvac Garant.
They love to do this in the Denver market. That
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(10:34):
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Speaker 4 (11:42):
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Speaker 6 (12:20):
The yeah, okay, okay, Now tell.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Me what do you like doing for a house, a
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water pros they like to do the whole house for
the plumbing and the showering, the bathing, even the steam
you breathe and all that. Did you you probably realize
how bad nanoplastics and and forever chemicals.

Speaker 6 (12:40):
Do you get people concerned with that?

Speaker 7 (12:42):
Or we also had the problem in the springs with
the runoff from the fire retardant all on the fires
up in the mountains.

Speaker 6 (12:49):
So there's even thought of that.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Yeah, is even more more bad bad stuff done?

Speaker 7 (12:55):
Even with well water, you would have stuff like yeah,
it's they actually abandoned well I don't know how many
years ago now, ten, twelve years ago, because it just
they couldn't they couldn't keep it clean. So yeah, we
recommend uh people get a whole home water purifications.

Speaker 4 (13:09):
I think it's it's I think it's as normal as
having a water.

Speaker 6 (13:13):
Heater for goodness sakes now, of course.

Speaker 7 (13:15):
And there's many different ways to do it, and it
actually protects you talked about investing, yes, for for down
the road.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
While protext plumbing, doesn't it protect your plumbing, appliances and boilers,
pixtures everything? Yeah? Yeah, So anyway, so anyway, Matt, what
is going on with your h o A?

Speaker 6 (13:33):
Matt?

Speaker 4 (13:33):
Three oh three seven one three eight, two five five.
We invite any and all calls. What's going on, Matt?

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Yes, so good morning.

Speaker 6 (13:43):
What's happening?

Speaker 10 (13:47):
H A.

Speaker 11 (13:49):
We have a guy down the street from us who
has two broke down vehicles and then he's got a
pun and a pontoon boat that's not hooked up to anything,
and it's it's making and.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
It's a clear it's a clear violation Matt of your
HOA rules, is it or are your covenants?

Speaker 2 (14:09):
You would think it is.

Speaker 11 (14:10):
But when I contacted the HOA.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
They said they.

Speaker 11 (14:14):
Are only responsible for the vehicles if they're in the driveway.
Anything in the street has to be gone through code
code enforcement.

Speaker 4 (14:23):
Okay, now listen, this is where it gets ticky TACKI
if you are in a subdivision, the subdivision can have
covenants for driveways, common areas, yards, even trash cans. I mean,
they can have all kinds of covenants. But what this person,

(14:46):
what this person at the HOA is saying, is technically accurate.
If someone parks legally on a public street the HOA
and by the way, this has been taken to court before.
It's called a precedent, meaning it was decided. You can't
tell someone what to do legally on a public street

(15:09):
or bye way. You can't just say, by the way,
we don't want to see that if it's a public street.
What some hoas have done is they keep their roads
and streets within the subdivision, part of the HOA. Or
here's another tricky thing, and it depends on how the

(15:30):
covenants were written, even though it's a public street. Many
times what they do is get an agreement from the
homeowner saying I will abide by the covenants and I
will agree not to park on the street these kinds

(15:50):
of vehicles. So it is a contract that can be enforced,
but you will very seldom find hoa's in them. They
don't want to get into a position where they're spending
a lot of money suing someone for breach of contract.
That's what it is.

Speaker 6 (16:09):
It's not a covenant thing.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
For example, if they painted their house bright pink, they
can go after them all day long.

Speaker 6 (16:15):
That is a covenant.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
And they controlled the HOA common areas and homes that
people have agreed to. But outside of that, when it's
a public street, they have to get an agreement saying, hey, Matt,
even though this is a public street, you have agreed
with us that you won't do this, this, and this.

(16:37):
So here is what you need to do. You need
to find out if the HOA even addressed it. If
they didn't, you're out of luck. Unless the municipality will
do something about it.

Speaker 6 (16:50):
You're just out of luck, Matt.

Speaker 4 (16:52):
But if it's in project go ahead. I'm sorry, No,
no go ahead, Matt.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Contact the HOA. And we also.

Speaker 11 (17:04):
Contacted a Rapo County Sheriff's apartment because they were the
ones we were told to go through.

Speaker 9 (17:11):
Really, this has been going on for two.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
And a half months, because.

Speaker 4 (17:14):
So if they're illegally parked, it is the Sheriff's department.

Speaker 6 (17:18):
Did the Sheriff's department do?

Speaker 4 (17:19):
Are they illegally parked?

Speaker 11 (17:22):
Yes, one is up on jack stands. Oh one doesn't
have one doesn't have plates on it, and it's got
Jackson tools as such underneath it.

Speaker 2 (17:35):
And then his pontoon boat.

Speaker 11 (17:37):
The officer told us that he could have it at
his residence as long as it was hooked up to
a vehicle, and it's not. And they told me a
month ago that they were going to give him a
week to rectify it, and nothing has been done since then.
I've called back three times since and they nobody is

(17:58):
doing anything, and we're almost having accidents because he's he's
parked u pontoon. Well, all his cars are parked on
one street and then it makes it a one way
road when you turn into the neighborhood because of the poon.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
Okay, okay, here here's it's sounding to me like the
HOA did not get a private agreement with homeowners on
what they will park or not park. And since it's
a public street, you're going to have to depend on
the municipality to enforce it, and unfortunately it's probably not

(18:32):
high on their list.

Speaker 6 (18:33):
But here's some good news.

Speaker 4 (18:36):
There's something called negligence per se and and I'm not
giving legal advice, but let me just tell you what
it says briefly. And Mark, I've noticed your back, and
you've heard us do this before, and you've heard this before,
and and correct me if I'm wrong. But where there
is a law and someone is violating that law and

(18:59):
it is bothering you or causing you damage, you can
sue them for violation of that law, even though you're
not law enforcement. It's kind of like everyone agrees to
follow the law, so if they don't follow the law,
it affects you negatively. So you can bring in action

(19:20):
directly against that person.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
And the closer you are, the more.

Speaker 4 (19:24):
You can do it. Are they very Are they close to.

Speaker 5 (19:26):
You like two houses?

Speaker 4 (19:31):
Okay? What do the other neighbors think of this? Maybe
they would join you in this and you could take
them to county court even without an attorney, if you
guys got together.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Let me ask you, what do the other neighbors think.

Speaker 11 (19:46):
We've had three other neighbors that we've spoken with that
had filled out the.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Online police complaints. Yeah, and nothing's been done. You know,
they've got you.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
Know what they're here's what we might do. This is
all I can offer because it's just a sticky wicket.
They don't want to get involved. So here's what I'm
going to suggest. I'm going to have Deputy Doc who's
sitting there and intently playing a game on his phone.
I'm just kidding. I don't know what he's doing. But anyway,

(20:15):
Deputy Doc, why don't we call down and just ask
about enforcement of parking regulations in that area and why
this is allowed to go on. Sometimes when we ask
questions like that, it changes things a bit, So let's

(20:36):
just do that. Yeah, well, let's see, it's the sheriff's department, right.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
Matt, Yes, sir, the Repo County.

Speaker 8 (20:44):
We'll call the Sheriff's department.

Speaker 6 (20:45):
I don't know why I said down there. I was
thinking South.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
Okay, So Deputy Doc, let's call Rapo County Sheriff's department
and just ask, you know, just say, listen, we got
this inquiry and if things are up on Jack's and
illegally parked, what what do you guys, do about it.
What's the procedure and why hasn't it been addressed? How
long has this been going on, Matt.

Speaker 11 (21:07):
Oh, probably three months.

Speaker 4 (21:10):
Three freaking months.

Speaker 10 (21:13):
Okay, it's been there over a year.

Speaker 8 (21:15):
Yeah, I'll make a call.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
Okay, Doc is going to talk to you off there
and then he'll make a call and let's see. Sometimes
a call like that helps so people. This is an
example of a problem that's been nagging him. He's finally
calling let's see if we can get some action on it.

Speaker 5 (21:32):
Okay.

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(22:13):
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oh three nine two zero sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom
Martino here, you're a shrubleshooter. So I mentioned if someone
is breaking the law and it caused you harm, that

(22:35):
could be something called negligence per se. John Fuller texted me.
He said, that's not exactly how it works.

Speaker 5 (22:42):
So I'm going to get.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
The loadown on that you can.

Speaker 12 (22:45):
What I would do is I would file a private
nuisance lawsuit against this guy. I'd ask for twenty five
dollars a day, and you can do it right through
small claims court.

Speaker 13 (22:56):
Now the judge might bawk a little bit, but that's
what it is.

Speaker 12 (22:59):
You're basically charging a nuisance fee and you've got to
prove that the city's not doing anything. So all you
have to do there is take some pictures and then
point out whatever, you know, whatever the street code is,
UH for not having a car up on jacks or
a flat tire or whatever the circumstance was, and present
it to the judge and you might get twenty five

(23:20):
bucks a day. I wouldn't ask for much more than that.
I'd ask for something reasonable and go from there.

Speaker 4 (23:27):
But I would love to get if we could get
John Fuller on. John, I know you're listening. I would
love to just you know, while we're talking about it,
talk about it by.

Speaker 12 (23:34):
The way, right, And I wonder why he's thinking you
couldn't do it if it's a new.

Speaker 4 (23:41):
No, he's not saying. He's not saying you can't sue.
I think he's he's saying something about the specifically the
negligence per se I talked about.

Speaker 12 (23:49):
Oh okay, yeah, I'm not to me, it's just a
private nuisance. The city's not doing anything, and it's affecting
your property values, affecting whatever it happens to be a
in fact, I miss that.

Speaker 13 (24:01):
What is he claiming it's affecting properly?

Speaker 4 (24:03):
Well, no, no, he just said, oh oh, this other guy,
he just says it's unsightly for the neighborhood. Horse, it's illegal.
I mean, they just don't like it. There's like three
different vehicles.

Speaker 5 (24:16):
Yeah, that sucks.

Speaker 12 (24:17):
I'd be upset too, So I'd see no reason you
can't file a lawsuit. I think we might actually, is that, John, Yeah,
hold on, let me bring John up, Hey John, John, sure,
hey man, So go ahead. You were talking to Tom
what was kind of the deal? What was your point?

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Okay?

Speaker 14 (24:38):
So negligence per se is a really cool concept, but
it's limited to negligence type situations and it requires for
there to be a safety statute. So, as an example,
a law against drunk driving, for an example, would be
a safety statute, and so the violation of that law
gives rise to a presumption of neglige.

Speaker 9 (25:00):
Okay.

Speaker 14 (25:01):
All it really does is give you an obsession of negligence.
It doesn't create an independent right to sue for violation
of a law. It's only a method of gaining an
upper hand and an existing negligence action against somebody.

Speaker 4 (25:18):
So but if you sue someone and they're breaking the law,
it's not just any law. It's a law specifically towards safety.

Speaker 14 (25:27):
Yeah, it's got to be a safety statue like a
speed limit or a you know, no turn without a
signal or something like that. It's got to be a
safety statute. And sometimes you have to get creative to
come up with how something is a safety statue, but
it has to be a safety statute, and if it is,
the violation the dependent of that safety statue gives rise

(25:49):
to a presumption of negligence that means you don't have
the duty.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Yes, that's exactly what I looked up here. Yeah, it
says that it gives you the proof you need without
you having to gather evidence if they're just violating a
statute or a law. So but in this case, but
in this case, a parking statue is not going to
arrive to that rise to that level. And however, they

(26:16):
can still sue for nuisance, like Mark said, right, yeah.

Speaker 14 (26:20):
If you have an independent cause of action for nuisance.
I don't know, you know, I don't handle nuisance matters
or anything, but you would certainly have every other right,
you know, And and it's it's important to really point
out that a presumption of neglogens is always a rebuttable presumption.
And so the other side then gets the opportunity to

(26:41):
prove that their violation of that safety statute was not
in fact negligent and didn't cause the accident. So it
doesn't it's not slammed dunk, but it's about as good
as you can get with the presumption of negligens.

Speaker 6 (26:56):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 4 (26:57):
That's John Fuller, our personal injury expert, but he weighs
in on matters as you just heard. And when he's
not here, you can reach him at three zero three
five nine seven forty five hundred. He'll always talk to
you upfront with your personal injury issue. So we have
with us today, Mike Robinson from Smith You know the

(27:20):
official name of your command.

Speaker 5 (27:22):
I know it's that Mike Mark.

Speaker 4 (27:24):
You know what Mike did. That's incredible.

Speaker 12 (27:27):
Mike, do you mind if I talk about what you've
done on your website?

Speaker 5 (27:32):
No, go ahead, listen to this.

Speaker 12 (27:35):
Unlike any other company that does home services, all the
ones we talk about, and we talk about a lot
of great companies, he has actually went to his website
and he has put up a tool to see if
you got an estimate from the competition anybody out there.
You can see if that price if they're trying to

(27:57):
gouge you, simple as that. He's got straightforward pricing now
on his website. And I've never heard of anything like
that in home services in fact, years and years.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
No, not at all.

Speaker 12 (28:08):
Price Fixer tried it ten or fifteen years ago and
they just they had it was different than just pricing online.
But Mike has actually figured it out. Mike, how's that
working out?

Speaker 5 (28:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (28:21):
Tell us?

Speaker 4 (28:22):
How tell us exactly how it works, how would I
use it as a consumer?

Speaker 5 (28:26):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (28:26):
Hold on, do it right after this, because I do
want to hear this. You know, when it comes to pricing,
pricing is so.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Important mark for everyone.

Speaker 4 (28:34):
You know, people say, well I don't want to talk
about pricing, Well you better talk about pricing and value.
By the way, quickly, Dean, you have a comment on
that hoa issue, then we'll take a break. Then we'll
talk about the pricing tool that Mike has on his website.

Speaker 6 (28:47):
Go ahead, Dean, what you got.

Speaker 9 (28:50):
Yeah, the fellow with that parking he's going to try
to use a city statute or the county statute, which
is right if you is right, Yeah, he's gonna cut
use that. Well, right, that's a stretch because the city
and I live in Aurora and I've tried to go

(29:10):
through that and the city doesn't have a right to
private action tack to their statue. You see where I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (29:19):
No, no, no, no, no, I understand what you're saying. But even
though there's no right to private action, you can use
the parking laws to say even the city says it's
against the law. So it helps you no matter what
you can't force You can't force another city to do anything.
But what you can do is have a judge punish

(29:40):
this guy based upon the laws of twenty five to
fifty bucks a day till he removes it.

Speaker 12 (29:47):
If you're saying, can can you go to court and
force the city to remove the car?

Speaker 13 (29:52):
No, you can't, but you can penalize the guy.

Speaker 9 (29:54):
No, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying
that the city is if they wanted to to do that,
they'd have a right to purpeate action for you to
go ahead and do it yourself.

Speaker 4 (30:04):
But Dean, Dean, the absence of a right, Dean, hold on,
hold on, the right, the right to sue is still
there no matter what. Even if there is no right
to private action, you have a right to.

Speaker 6 (30:16):
Sue your neighbor.

Speaker 4 (30:17):
Okay, And I understand what you mean by right to
private action.

Speaker 9 (30:22):
Okay, that now you're getting I've been through this and
I had a neighbor like this and it was going
to be a yeah, basically almost a restraining order. But
that's at a district court level.

Speaker 4 (30:36):
So when you found out you didn't have a right
to private action, how did it affect your case?

Speaker 9 (30:43):
Well, I didn't. I talked to Brad O'Brien about this
and he said it was interesting, but mine had to
do with a bad dog, that the city wouldn't do anything.

Speaker 6 (30:52):
Oh, okay, did you win?

Speaker 9 (30:57):
I didn't. It was going to be a district court case.

Speaker 12 (31:00):
Look, man, I'm telling you right now you can go
to small claims Court and file a private nuisance lawsuit
against this guy. Whether or not the judge is going
to see everything your way.

Speaker 13 (31:10):
I don't know.

Speaker 12 (31:11):
I'm not the judge or the magistrate, but I'm telling
you it has been done in Colorado. If it is
affecting his property values, if it's affecting his way of life,
he can do it.

Speaker 5 (31:24):
Ok I get it, and I agree.

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Speaker 5 (31:53):
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three seven one three talk seven one three eight two
five five Mark major, Hey, So here the guy. The guy.

(32:13):
What he said was, he says, you can't sue on.
You don't have a right to private action, meaning shoeing
on somebody breaking the law.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
Go ahead, Mark all.

Speaker 12 (32:20):
Right, So I'm going to read this verbatim directly from
CRS eighteen nine one twenty. This is exactly how the
statute appears. Okay, Yeah, A person commits the offense of
maintaining a public nuisance if he or she maintains, permits,
or allows a public nuisance to exist upon any property

(32:41):
which he or she owns, occupies, or controls.

Speaker 13 (32:45):
That's number one. Number two.

Speaker 12 (32:47):
Public nuisance means any place or structure, including any motor vehicle,
located upon a public way, where any of the following occur.
And I'm going to jump right to CND any dangerous
or defective condition that endangers public health or safety, and
then D the accumulation of trash, debris, junk or junk

(33:10):
vehicles that endangers public health or safety. So he would
basically cite number two out of eighteen nine point twenty
in small claims as a public nuisance on the public street,
and he's gonna win.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
He's gonna win apps.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
By the way, by the way, I looked up if
you need a right to private action, and you absolutely
do not. The only time you need a write to
private action is if you wanted to sue for someone
else or something like that. If you're suing a neighbor
for violating a law, there does not have to be
a right of private action. We're gonna talk more about
this because there's I found out a lot here that

(33:47):
can help people who are trying to battle their neighbors
over hoa in action. And we also have Smith Plumbing, heating, cooling,
electric and drains or whatever I like. I'll get the
official name. Anyway, we got him, We got Mike Robinson here,
and we'll talk about value pricing coming up. Go with
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Speaker 5 (34:39):
Rip you you don't have.

Speaker 1 (34:47):
Run ins as we can show. Shooter's gonna help come Man.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Six is the Troubleshooter Show.

Speaker 4 (34:57):
No Tom Martinez, Hi, It's Tom Martino here.

Speaker 6 (35:01):
Welcome to the show.

Speaker 4 (35:02):
We invite your calls if you're having problems, Yeah, just problems.
Somebody lied to you, cheated you, ripped you off, or
you have a question about an issue with a neighbor.
We were talking about that and we'll get back to
that in a minute. But just a programming note here.
There was an alarm going off at the studio. They
had to leave the studio, so right now Major, Mark

(35:24):
Major and crew at the studio are not there. So
he did some research on this topic and there seems
to be a lot of discussion as to what you
can sue on. And no matter what, whether there's a
private right to action or not, a private right to
action is misunderstood. You do not need a private right
to action to sue when someone is violating a law.

(35:47):
And by the way, I know, I don't want to
disagree with John Fuller, but John Fuller said negligence per
se was meant for when safety regulations or something are
violated and you're injured, and you can show they.

Speaker 6 (36:01):
Broke a law.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
That's negligence per se under certain circumstances.

Speaker 6 (36:05):
However, what I saw here was.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
The legal doctrine of negligence per se has been used
in many court cases to show that somebody who had
a duty of care to me and to the community
violated it. And they were able to sue, by the way,
on other things other than.

Speaker 6 (36:30):
Safety.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
But what they did was use the law to show, Hey,
I'm not the only one who thinks this is wrong.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
The law thinks it's wrong.

Speaker 4 (36:42):
So the law or regulation must exist, like a building code.
It even says it's been used for leash laws or
fire safety. You show your neighbor violated it, and you
are part of the class the law was meant to protect,
meaning you know, the community, the city, the county. A

(37:05):
leash law protects pedestrians from dog bites, so as a pedestrian,
you would qualify, or you suffered some kind of harm
that the law was meant to prevent. If you lose
property value, that you would have to establish not on
the lease law, but on other things now unsafe property conditions.

(37:25):
If a neighbor violates a city code by failing to
maintain a retaining wall and it collapses onto your yard
or damages your home, you could use negligence per se
if you showed that the wall the retaining wall was
done against building codes or not according to the building codes.

(37:45):
A leash law requires dogs to be restrained, but if
your neighbor DRGs, runs loose and bice you, or even
does destruction to your property, you can use the general
principle of negligence per se. And of course that doesn't
mean this information I'm looking up as infallible. As John
Fuller pointed out, it was mainly meant for personal injury

(38:07):
or safety standards being violated. You don't have to prove
by the way that your neighbor acted unreasonably or negligently.

Speaker 6 (38:18):
The mere fact that the law was broken.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
Automatically assumes those things, and you just have to show
the law was broken. And then I asked, do you
have a right to private action to sue a neighbor
for violating a local law? And what I found was
a private right of action means the law itself gives

(38:46):
you the right to sue directly for its violation. For example, example,
certain consumer protection or environmental statutes specifically allow any injured
person to bring a lawsuit. However, negligence per se does
not require a right of action. That's because you're not

(39:09):
suing under the statute or ordinance itself. You're suing under
common law and you're simply using the law as evidence
of negligence. So in any case, this guy called up
and made a big deal about not having a private
right to action, so you can't sue, but you can sue.

(39:32):
And then Mark has more details on that. But before
we get back, Oh they are back. I'm sorry. Let
me bring up the studio here, Mark, why don't you
elaborate on what you found on that too.

Speaker 13 (39:42):
Well, there's not much to elaborate on.

Speaker 12 (39:44):
You can actually sue for the nuisance because it is
a nuisance to you. The law backs it up, meaning
he's simply going to prove to the small Claims court.
Who's going to ultimately end up punishing the guy that's
got his car up on blocks or whatever it happens
to be. You can go after him and sue them
per day twenty five bucks a day, forty nine dollars

(40:06):
per day. And I don't see any reason in the
world why he wouldn't get it. It happens all the time.

Speaker 6 (40:12):
Okay, thank you very much, now, Mark, you were.

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Pretty much Yeah.

Speaker 12 (40:17):
I just want to say, did you tell everybody what happened?
We're so why don't you go?

Speaker 4 (40:20):
No, go ahead?

Speaker 6 (40:21):
We should mention it.

Speaker 4 (40:22):
Go ahead.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
I just mentioned it in passing.

Speaker 12 (40:24):
I have been in and out of this building since
ninety nine or two thousand and not one time. How
have I ever had the fire department show up, pull
the alarm and literally see how fast everybody who evacuates
the building.

Speaker 5 (40:39):
It's crazy, right, every.

Speaker 12 (40:40):
Show, every studio, every person had to leave and the
fire people were outside like with a little clicker timing
everybody are.

Speaker 4 (40:49):
You are you? Wait? They did a fire drill like
we used to do at school.

Speaker 8 (40:53):
Like that.

Speaker 12 (40:54):
I said, I was going, my god, why don't they
do it when everything's on automation?

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Wait? So they can actually do that at any business
any commercial building.

Speaker 13 (41:03):
Yep, yep, yep. Have you ever had it before?

Speaker 7 (41:05):
Dragon, I've actually been in a fire in this building
or seen a fire in this building, but not the
fire department come by and pull the switch.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
It was crazy.

Speaker 12 (41:13):
There was like four or five of them out there,
and of course they had their vests on in the hole.

Speaker 5 (41:19):
It was nuts.

Speaker 13 (41:19):
Man, I had no idea. Can you imagine if.

Speaker 12 (41:22):
They did that at Park Meadows or if they did
it at the Broncos at the Broncos Stadium. When did
they practice a fire drill during a game?

Speaker 4 (41:32):
You know? I did not know they could do fire
drills like that? And are they unannounced? Totally unannounced?

Speaker 12 (41:39):
In fact, I walked out and I looked at everybody
in the news department. I said, is this fake or what?
And they go no, there's no fire. So I come
back in. Then Jojo, our main program director, comes in
and goes, come on, everybody's got to get out, and
I said, what is there actually a fire? He goes no,
but we'll get a huge fine if there's anybody left

(41:59):
in the build building.

Speaker 8 (42:01):
Wow.

Speaker 15 (42:02):
By the way, great, go ahead, fire story, doc.

Speaker 6 (42:08):
I only have one requirement.

Speaker 4 (42:09):
It's got to be interesting and you already have two
points against you.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Go ahead.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
I was working up in the mountains and the Catskills.

Speaker 15 (42:16):
We had a fire in a hotel and our boss
told us make sure everybody's out knocked twice if nobody
answers kicking the door. We had more fun kicking in
the doors and road never caught anybody in Flake would
delect the Wow.

Speaker 4 (42:35):
So what were you doing in upstate New York?

Speaker 8 (42:37):
I was in the Catskills for years?

Speaker 6 (42:40):
What do you remember the name of the resort.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
I was in.

Speaker 8 (42:43):
One was at the Gilberts and one was in Swan Lake.

Speaker 5 (42:47):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (42:48):
You know. I of course worked summers because I lived there.
I worked summers and all the resources up there, and
it was a great time. What we used to do
is entertain all the New York workers and then of
course there were some people from Europe that would come
to the Caskills to vacation and party, and then there
would be entertainment and all of that. It was a

(43:09):
great time. Like that movie Dirty Dancing pretty much shows
a lot of the behind the scenes and how.

Speaker 5 (43:15):
We all lived.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
We boarded there, even though I lived close by. I
used to live on the resort just for fun. Anyway,
it was a great time. It really was.

Speaker 6 (43:25):
And you know, local resorts like that, I don't think
they exist.

Speaker 5 (43:28):
I mean they're still there. But is that where you
met Don McLean?

Speaker 4 (43:33):
I met him when I was working for the newspaper.
After that, working at the resources, I was pretty young.
But after that, when I worked at the newspaper, that's
where I was assigned to cover that certain story where.

Speaker 5 (43:46):
I met him.

Speaker 4 (43:47):
But anyway, I'll tell you what. Upstate New York has
a rich heritage because the gangsters from New York would
go up there and they would gather. They would have
meetings up there, hotels that were famous for hosting mobsters.

Speaker 6 (44:04):
I mean seriously, it was. It was amazing.

Speaker 4 (44:07):
Anyway, Like I said, dirty dancing comes pretty close to
showing to showing that lifestyle up there. And one other thing.
One other thing I want to say real quick. What
they used to do something called summer stock. Summer Stock
is where Broadway producers would bring their crews up to
the Upstate New York area in a big barn and

(44:31):
they would put on a Broadway show during the summer
and it would be trying out before it was the
new stuff. They would try it out on the country yocals.
We would get to see shows before they debuted on
Broadway for pennies on the dollar. I think it was like,
you know, just a few bucks, like four or five dollars.
You would go and you would sit in this big

(44:52):
barn and it would be lit, and there would be
an orchestra and it would be fun. It was called
summer Stock, and we got to see oh many plays
and they actually gauged, you know, not just the reaction
of the crowd because we were yokels, but they also
wanted to see how things worked on stage. So they
had their props there, they had the orchestra, they had

(45:15):
the actors, and then that was also a chance to
give the fill in actors, you know, the what do
they call them, but they're you know, the fill ins
that come in the backup understudies.

Speaker 6 (45:27):
Yes, the understudies.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
That would give them a chance to shine, and they
would they would show all different combinations of the acts.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
And it was Summerstock. We looked so forward to it.

Speaker 4 (45:39):
Anyway, so life in up State New York was weird
that of course, where Woodstock was, and in Upstate New
York it was supposed to be at Woodstock. Do it
turned out the peak acid?

Speaker 5 (45:54):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:54):
I know it.

Speaker 6 (45:55):
God that movie was amazing.

Speaker 4 (45:57):
Anyway, we got more coming up on the Troubleshooter Show.
And speaking of pricing, we're going to talk about pricing
by the way, with Mike and how Mike Smith is
excuse me, Mike Robinson at Smith Plumbing, Heating, Cooling, Electrical.

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Speaker 6 (47:31):
I want to go to Deputy doc.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Now, Well, we had somebody call up about an abandoned
not just an abandoned car. He said he had a
trailer out there. He had it upon Jack's This is
out on a public street, but he's in a subdivision.
He say, why is the uh, why is the Arapo
County Sheriff's Department allowing this to happen?

Speaker 5 (47:50):
So what did you find out?

Speaker 15 (47:52):
Dot gop to the code enforcement officer and good. She
said that they're a little bit understaffed, and that there
are certain priorities of which vehicles have to be moved,
and that they're doing it the best they can and
that they will get to it.

Speaker 8 (48:08):
They're aware of it and they will get to it
as soon as they have the man.

Speaker 6 (48:11):
Well, that's good.

Speaker 4 (48:12):
Well, that's good. I mean, at least we got someone
who's focusing attention on it, and if she hadn't been,
she'll take a look at it today. I'll bet Leslie.
Go ahead, Leslie, welcome to the show. Three oh three seven, one,
three eight, two five five is our number? Or three
oh three Martino? What's happening, Leslie? What can we do

(48:34):
for you?

Speaker 10 (48:36):
Hello?

Speaker 16 (48:37):
I was calling to see my husband and I do
not have any kids and very little family members left,
and we're wondering do we need durable power of attorneys
for any reason for each other?

Speaker 4 (48:53):
Well, indeed, it wouldn't be a bad idea, But normally
with a husband and wife, if if things are held together,
you don't need it. It's only for stuff that's separate.
And you can do it in a number of different ways.
You can do a family trust, you can do an LLC.

(49:13):
You can do an LLC survives the death of one
or the other. You can do a power of attorney.
Especially if you want medical decisions made, you have to
designate someone that you know what you should do is
called Dan McKenzie at Mackenzie Law. This is this is

(49:36):
an example of if you don't need an entire estate plan.
He can counsel you on these individual methods, or you
can do an entire estate plan. Now, by the way,
when I say a state plan, don't roll your eyes
back because it's only the two of you. It's not
going to be much at all. It would just be
a simple will. What would your state be worth if
you if you put it all together? How much do you,

(49:59):
you know, take away the debits and add the credits?
What what do you think your state is worth?

Speaker 16 (50:05):
I should know this, but I really don't. Just roughly,
I'm gonna I'm going to guess less than a million
for sure.

Speaker 4 (50:14):
Okay, you know what, we have a house cards, but
it's do you have any kids? Did you say you
don't have kids?

Speaker 12 (50:22):
Well, the house, you know, the house, if it's in
both their names, isn't that big of a deal. If
there's any four oh one k's or iras or bank
accounts that can all be beneficiaries.

Speaker 13 (50:33):
I mean, I'm not really sure what you would need there, Tom.

Speaker 4 (50:36):
No, you're you're right, But and especially if they don't
have any kids, that'll be fighting over anything. But what
I'm saying, Mark, is even a simple will to say
these items have been addressed within the documents. I mean,
I just say it's a good idea that, especially if
they're both killed at the same time or something, and
you should have a designated air if that happens, and

(50:58):
I'd be happy to step and is your heir, but
you could do stuff? Yeah, yeah, anyway, No, but seriously,
you have to consider that, you know what happens if
you both if you both die at the same time.
But Dan McKenzie, let me just give out his number,
because truly, a simple will like this would not cost
a lot of money. And it's Mackenzie Law mc k

(51:21):
E n Z I E. And they'll answer questions for
you upfront, initial consultations, and then he'll give you a price.
And the number is it sounds like a national number,
but he's live and local here eight three three c.

Speaker 6 (51:36):
Plans so eight keep going.

Speaker 5 (51:39):
I'm sorry, Tom, No.

Speaker 4 (51:41):
No, So it's eight three three two six seven five
two six seven Yes, Mark.

Speaker 12 (51:49):
What were you going to say with the exception of
real property the house, So I assume I'm gonna make
the leap of the assumption that's in both your names,
so that shouldn't matter. But once again, the retire accounts
that's going to be beneficiary.

Speaker 13 (52:02):
Then I'm just giving another idea here, that's all.

Speaker 12 (52:04):
And then the bank accounts would be a beneficiary upon death.
And then anything else like the cars, let's say one
cars in your name, one is in his name, or
a camper, or a motorcycle or a boat or almost
anything else long as it's below eighty two thousand dollars
in the state of Colorado. A small estate AFFI David,

(52:25):
which is basically saying, Hey, this person's dead, here's a
death certificate.

Speaker 4 (52:29):
I get it. I mean, really, that's all there is
to it, right right, But a lot of people they
don't even want to mess with that, and if they
have a single document to go to. But when he's
right there, there are many times you don't need any
will at all. I just say, it's it's such a
simple document to have. It can be complicated or simple

(52:52):
that I don't think it's a big deal. But again,
that's really up to you. Again, you know, if you
want to try him, he'll even tell you. He may
say to you, by the way, you don't need me,
And that's eight three three CEO plans. And uh, it's
not a bad idea. So you give him a call
and you ask him, Jim, what is your question on TV?

Speaker 9 (53:14):
Sir?

Speaker 6 (53:14):
What's happening?

Speaker 5 (53:15):
Jim?

Speaker 10 (53:16):
Yeah? Well I live out in Hugo.

Speaker 5 (53:20):
Okay, And.

Speaker 10 (53:23):
Well you get TV service from Springs. We get the
Spring stations.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Are you talking about? Do you get over the air
or some other kind of way of getting it? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (53:34):
Over there free TV? I got it. I got it.

Speaker 8 (53:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (53:38):
And I really don't want to pay for you know,
cable TV or over dish service.

Speaker 5 (53:45):
I want three TV.

Speaker 10 (53:47):
Okay, work well, well enough to uh to watch it
most of the time.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
Well, let me ask you something. Do you have internet
out there?

Speaker 4 (53:58):
Yeah? We do have it.

Speaker 10 (53:59):
I don't have it personally, but it is here.

Speaker 4 (54:02):
Yes, Okay. What I mean is does your house have it?
Do you have a network at home that you that
that people log into? Who are you there with? No? No?

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Okay?

Speaker 4 (54:15):
How let me ask you if you were to get
internet service, who is the provider? Will like, like, who's
your who's your provider out there? If you wanted to
buy TV, for example, if your Comcast, do you have
like Exfinity?

Speaker 5 (54:36):
What do you have out there? Yeah?

Speaker 10 (54:39):
Yeah, I think there is Exfinity. I believe there is.

Speaker 6 (54:43):
Well, because here's what I'm saying, Jim.

Speaker 4 (54:46):
Really, if you had Exfinity, for example, they would put
what's called a broadband into your home and you would
simply buy TV. On the broadband. You would simply buy
the service you want. You can buy a package of
local channels and a bunch of other stuff through YouTube
TV Mark. Does Hulu still do the local stuff too?

Speaker 5 (55:09):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (55:09):
They do.

Speaker 4 (55:10):
In fact, I just switched over to Hulu. I don't
know if I'll switch back. Wait did you Yeah? You
had YouTube as well?

Speaker 9 (55:16):
Right?

Speaker 12 (55:16):
Yeah, I had YouTube forever and they really irritated me
when they got into a fight with ESPN.

Speaker 13 (55:22):
I couldn't even get the Monday night football.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
Oh okay, so listen, do you have like your really
hell bent on not paying? Is that what your deal is? Jim?
Will you not get Exfinity because of that? Well?

Speaker 10 (55:37):
Probably? Because?

Speaker 4 (55:38):
Yeah? Well then I don't know what to tell you.
There are boosters you can get for over air signals,
especially now with the new digital channels. You can get
a digital signal and a booster. Is that what you're
looking for?

Speaker 10 (55:54):
Well, yeah, that would be a solution to it.

Speaker 4 (56:00):
Okay, right now, what is wrong with your TV reception?

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Right now.

Speaker 10 (56:07):
Well, it touts out it's uh okay, yep.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
It's either on or off. Right, that's what happens with
digital Is it either on or off? No?

Speaker 10 (56:19):
The signal is just it's just terrible.

Speaker 8 (56:22):
All right.

Speaker 10 (56:23):
Now, I've got it on eleven point two and it
says no signal?

Speaker 4 (56:28):
Okay, what do you mean eleven point two? I don't understand.

Speaker 12 (56:31):
Let me ask this, what kind of what kind of
intended do you have? Is it on the back of
the TV or is it on the house or what.

Speaker 5 (56:37):
I'm a house a house in so what do you mean?

Speaker 4 (56:41):
I don't know what you meant by zero two or
whatever the hell you just said.

Speaker 13 (56:45):
What that's one of the channels when it scans for
these channels now.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Oh okay, oh, it's one of the digital channels.

Speaker 13 (56:52):
Yeah, they're weird. They could be like eleven dot four.

Speaker 6 (56:56):
Okay, here's what I want to tell you.

Speaker 4 (56:58):
Okay, birb, you can go to Amazon and simply get
a digital TV booster. You can and it goes between
the TV and the roof antenna.

Speaker 6 (57:10):
It's just in line.

Speaker 4 (57:11):
These boosters work very very well.

Speaker 10 (57:15):
Okay, yep, that's a good, good solution that it'll work.

Speaker 4 (57:21):
Now I think it may work. They because here's the
good part about digital signals. Here's the great part about
digital digital is on or off, okay, and and that's
why you get that's why you.

Speaker 5 (57:34):
Get a signal, no signal.

Speaker 4 (57:36):
And actually they're easier to deal with than analog signals,
which can be any part of the wavelength, and it
can be a choppy wavelength that can be parts of it.
It's just easier to deal with and it's easier to boost.
As a result of that, I got to take a break,
But truly I would try that. Waterpros dot net the

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two zero sixteen twenty two. Hey Tom Martino here, Welcome
to the show. Three zero three seven to one three
talks seven one three eight two five five. I think

(59:10):
we left off with Jim on but there's not much
more to tell him other than he should try to
get one of those boosters on Amazon for digital TV.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Now.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Mike's Robinson is with us from Smith and it's Smith Plumbing, heating, cooling,
and electrical. They go from Canyon City through Pueblo, Colorado
Springs up to Castle Rock with all of these services.
And Mark mentioned that, and we mentioned her all the time. Mark,

(59:41):
We're into this value and price thing, even though of
course we want we want good service, we want good
honest service.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Service.

Speaker 13 (59:48):
Gotta be good products, good service.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
But still, no matter what.

Speaker 4 (59:52):
Mark, it hits us in the face all the time,
people wanting the greatest or the best price. Well, and
that does mean ridiculously low prices where people are losing
money and it's not true. It means a really good
price and they want to be able to compare it. So, Mike,
why don't you explain what you did? You took initiative

(01:00:14):
on your website, which is Smith Pink Trucks dot com.

Speaker 6 (01:00:18):
I love that website.

Speaker 4 (01:00:20):
Because, of course, his wife technically owns the business, so
his ass is just an employee there. Actually, his wife
is wonderful, she's beautiful, and she owns it, and so
the pink thing is really cool, and all of their
trucks are pink. In fact, he's got a big truck
parked out here. Smithpink Trucks dot com. What did you

(01:00:44):
do to take this issue and put it on the
forefront because you knew that right from the beginning that
even though you do great service, and you really do,
you know.

Speaker 6 (01:00:54):
Value and price is important. So let's talk about that.

Speaker 7 (01:00:57):
Yes, so real quick, what we were seeing and what
we have been seeing over the last i'd say at
least year year and a half is most consumers will
enter the market for a new furness and air conditioner
maybe twice in their lifetime. So for them it's Hey,
you get your systems down, you need a new one.

(01:01:18):
Somebody give them a price. They don't shop. We highly
recommend three prices our website.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
Now get it, because you do give the best value
we have.

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (01:01:30):
And so we've gone so far as to say, look,
if you don't have time for people to come in
your home, go on our website.

Speaker 5 (01:01:35):
We offer several packages on there.

Speaker 7 (01:01:38):
It may not be the exact price because it may
not have code upgrades or some things, but it's pretty close.
And what we found was people go on the website going,
holy smokes, we got three. We had two estimates and
we were looking for a third, and they're twenty three
to thirty thousand, and you guys are twelve.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Yeah, Like, how do you know how bold that is
to put pricing right up front like this? It's massive.
And I'll tell you another good thing about it.

Speaker 12 (01:02:02):
And I don't know if you guys touched on this,
but here in Denver, I mean Smith is down in
Colorado Springs or the Pike's Peak region, but here in Denver,
a lot of the big money has come in and
bought up for example, Oh, he was going to talk
about that. Go ahead, Mark Well, Mark, go ahead, and
then I'll let my all the garage door opener companies

(01:02:23):
around here. Now there might be a few Mond Poslivs, right,
but every garage door opener company, the ones we remember,
like Don's and some of these other ones, they're still
out there, but they're not owned by Don.

Speaker 4 (01:02:34):
Hell.

Speaker 12 (01:02:35):
I remember when you and Don got together at your
own house, tom right, those days are gone.

Speaker 4 (01:02:40):
These are all owned and controlled.

Speaker 12 (01:02:42):
So if you get three or four different estimates, you
could very well be getting three or four different estimates
from the same company.

Speaker 13 (01:02:51):
That's incredible to me.

Speaker 7 (01:02:52):
That's one true right now, that's one hundred percent truth.
They're buying private equities buying it up.

Speaker 6 (01:02:58):
So really the company name doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 7 (01:03:02):
Right, And because we're so large, people think we're corporate
owned or private equity in the market, and we constantly
have to be telling we're family owned.

Speaker 4 (01:03:09):
Fifty one years and I want to make I want
to make this clear.

Speaker 6 (01:03:11):
You are truly locally owned and operated. Yea, even you
bought Smith.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
And you carried on the tradition of local ownership and operation,
and your wife technically the owner, and I mean, I
know she really does work with you. And I'm not
I don't mean to downplay that, and it's a great company,
but I also want to make this clear. Private equity
does not automatically mean bad.

Speaker 5 (01:03:35):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:03:36):
However, however, it is deceiving, as Mark pointed out, when
you think you're getting three estimates and they're all coming
from the same company.

Speaker 5 (01:03:45):
Yeah, so we know that.

Speaker 7 (01:03:47):
Here's what we noticed over the last twelve to eighteen
months the pricing in our market in Colorado Springs, which
is it's a blue collar military town that that you know,
people work hard for their money. We want to provide
good value. We've always been fair priced. We may not

(01:04:08):
be the lowest many times we are, but compared to
some of the companies that are there now we're we're
significantly less. And so what we did is we said, okay, look,
we're going to put our pricing on the website. For
heating and air condition we have a just like your
other business you deal, we have a five hundred dollars
low price guarantee. If we can't beat anybody's price by
five hundred dollars, we'll give you five hundred cash if

(01:04:29):
we can't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:04:31):
But we put our price right out there, and of
course our competitors go on, they see it and everything
like that, and they call us out and call us names.
But the bottom line is is we can make a
fair profit and give people great service without being thirty
to fifty percent higher than some of the companies in
our market.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Share, and you can still make good money, and we
still make good money. See, and you know where I
really noticed this with you. I don't want to name
the other company. I don't even know if they're still around,
but they gave a price on some sewer stuff that
I could not believe. I couldn't believe it. I just

(01:05:11):
you beat them so bad on pricing. You were I
think a quarter of the price. So you really shine
in that department. Have you noticed how low you are
for sewer work and drain work?

Speaker 7 (01:05:25):
Well, again, we offer multiple different avenues between lining, bursting, running.
We have all the new technology technology for it. And
again our objective is to go in and do the
minimal amount required to get the the sewer or the

(01:05:48):
septic running. So what happens is somebody goes in and
they say we're going to do the whole thing and
a sixty five thousand, you know, we go in and say, well, really,
well you need is clean outs and a little bit
of this here, yes, for eight thousand exactly, and then
we'll nurse it. We'll we'll clean it for you and
when you when you need it will becaust.

Speaker 4 (01:06:08):
The customers for life. I gotta take this break, but
we're going to talk about by the way Mark and
I decided we're going to talk price.

Speaker 6 (01:06:15):
We're going to talk value.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
We're also going to talk companies who fix sometimes where
you don't need a replacement.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
All of that coming up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:30):
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(01:07:13):
You're troubleshooter three oh three seven to one three talks
seven one three eight two five five so somebody texted
has said what about Deputy Doc and that follow up?

Speaker 5 (01:07:23):
He did give a follow up on that. So here's
the thing.

Speaker 4 (01:07:28):
When you have a subdivision, this is important to know.
When you have a subdivision, you have common property and
subdivision property and your property which is subject to covetence
and HA bylaws and all of that. But if you're
on public streets and highways and byways, they can't control that.
So people can park stuff out there and look like
crap and you're going to have to go another route.

(01:07:50):
So Deputy Doc called down there to park an enforcement
and said, why do we have trailers up on jacks
and why do we have all of that happening? They said, look,
we're a little understand what we're going to get to it.
So at least he put it on the radar. Okay,
So I want to thank you Smith for being here,
Mike Robinson. Remember Smithpink trucks dot com for complete pricing information. Great,

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that's Smith Pink Trucks dot com and you can also
reach him at referralss dot com.

Speaker 5 (01:08:21):
Thanks for being here, Mike, I have my pleasure.

Speaker 6 (01:08:23):
Thanks Tom more coming.

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Speaker 10 (01:09:01):
Ripped of news you needed? Who you don't have to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:08):
Come running just as fast as we can. Shooter's gonna
help come.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
This is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martino.

Speaker 4 (01:09:20):
Hey, I'm Tom Martino and I got major Mark Major
back at the studio, and uh, what's going on? Mark?

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
What's on your mind today?

Speaker 5 (01:09:29):
Man? Not too much.

Speaker 12 (01:09:30):
I guess Trump just lowered the price of GLP ones.
He got a deal right put together with I guess Eli.
I forget who the other one is, but I think
they're talking like one hundred and fifty bucks or something.
Now I doubt this will happen for a while, but
that's uh, that's magnificent.

Speaker 13 (01:09:47):
I mean, those drugs have helped a lot of people.

Speaker 4 (01:09:50):
The deal was, if you want Medicare to pay for them,
you have to lower the price for everyone.

Speaker 6 (01:09:55):
So that's the deal, and I think it is good.

Speaker 11 (01:09:59):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:59):
And I see you have Deputy Bow and Deputy Doc there,
Deputy Bow joins us yep, and then and then we
have Suzan Dragon Kelly. We got whole gang.

Speaker 13 (01:10:08):
Here're the whole gang.

Speaker 4 (01:10:09):
So listen, Mark, I hesitate to bring this up, but
I truly am not trying to irritate anyone.

Speaker 5 (01:10:15):
I'm trying to observe.

Speaker 4 (01:10:17):
Are you getting the feeling? I'm getting the feeling. And
again Mark always says, well, Tom, would you know, I
don't know what you're reading.

Speaker 5 (01:10:23):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:10:24):
I just get the feeling that there's there's a shift.

Speaker 5 (01:10:27):
Oh there's a shift.

Speaker 13 (01:10:29):
Why because a blue state voted for someone blue may maybe?

Speaker 4 (01:10:34):
Okay, are they over emphasizing these election results?

Speaker 5 (01:10:37):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (01:10:38):
Okay, what do you think, Dan? What do you think,
Deputy Driving States?

Speaker 12 (01:10:42):
For God's sake, New York City, there's not a more
liberal place on the planet.

Speaker 4 (01:10:47):
Yeah, but what they're saying is they could have voted
in a como, but they didn't they come in.

Speaker 12 (01:10:53):
The guy was grabbing ass not long ago, and basically
you got boot out of the state.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
This this may is going to ruin New York City.
There's not much he can do, though, What can he do?

Speaker 5 (01:11:03):
What can this mayor do?

Speaker 4 (01:11:06):
Like, really he can put that Actually I don't know
the structure, Mark, I don't know the structure, So I
don't know how much he can by executive order.

Speaker 13 (01:11:13):
But can't take away private property.

Speaker 8 (01:11:15):
No, but he can put the city into financial distress.

Speaker 5 (01:11:18):
Well, the city's already there.

Speaker 12 (01:11:20):
Yeah, exactly. He can't do as much damage as most
people think. He can't do free buses. I mean, how's
he gonna do? Is he gonna use eminent domain to
take a Walmart or a King Supers and turn it
into whatever?

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Not gonna happen.

Speaker 13 (01:11:36):
I mean, I know what, I don't know what. He's
definitely not good for the city.

Speaker 4 (01:11:40):
I meet and talk to a lot of people, and
I know you do, but I'm talking about I just
have this feeling that there's this selfishness in America that
makes people believe and I'm telling you, I've talked to
a lot of young people and I think they want socialism.
I think they want what they feel will be a

(01:12:01):
more fair system. They feel like they're being held isn't what.

Speaker 12 (01:12:05):
They don't realize and maybe they need to actually experience it.
That probably is true when I was twenty something, even
in my thirties. If you don't experience something, even though
you read about other places that have, you don't know
the feeling.

Speaker 4 (01:12:20):
So listen, you know what, Actually that's a pretty wise
freaking statement, and that goes along with my life as
its own teacher. If you don't experience and you just
hear about it, it sounds so wonderful. But socialism in
and of itself can be devastating because what happens is

(01:12:42):
the producer stop producing. There's no incentive.

Speaker 5 (01:12:48):
Now, I'm not saying there should.

Speaker 4 (01:12:49):
Be a selfish, one way system of capitalism, but socialism,
I don't think is the well, I don't think.

Speaker 5 (01:12:58):
I know, it's not the answer.

Speaker 8 (01:12:59):
You have nothing, you have nothing to lose.

Speaker 15 (01:13:02):
So you have these kids who can't get jobs, don't
want to work, and they want something.

Speaker 8 (01:13:07):
Give it to them. Yep, Okay, let me finish. But
if they got a job as something for one hundred
and fifty.

Speaker 15 (01:13:12):
Thousand dollars a year and then realize under socialism the
tax is going to be eighty five percent.

Speaker 8 (01:13:18):
They're not going to vote for socialist.

Speaker 4 (01:13:19):
Okay, time, but you just gave a supposition. You just
gave a supposition, and you said that people that don't
want to work are sitting on theirs.

Speaker 6 (01:13:30):
But there are a lot of kids.

Speaker 4 (01:13:31):
Listen to this, I say kids, Okay, younger people who
are working their asses off and they are not lazy,
and they still want a bit of socialism because they
believe that the system is ragged against them. Now, I
don't even know what that means, because I don't know
anyone who became a billionaire by having something given to them.

Speaker 5 (01:13:53):
I don't know anybody.

Speaker 4 (01:13:54):
Now, now you're going to hear people saying Trump is
in it for himself and all his billionaire friends. If
you look at the total number of billionaires, for God's sakes,
I mean, it just doesn't make sense. It's just a
good thing to say. I am so tired of politics
built on platitudes prompting as billionaire friends. I mean, I mean, truly,

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that's not how most.

Speaker 12 (01:14:18):
Of America feels now though, That's that's the part that
I think sometimes you miss.

Speaker 13 (01:14:24):
I don't know the circles you hang out in, but well, they're.

Speaker 4 (01:14:29):
Market I just I think, Okay, I think I do
hang out in more various circles. But it's not that
I hang out like buddies. But I probe I do
a lot really Like I might be at a restaurant.
Somebody comes over, Tom Martinez, you and I recognize you
blah blah blah or or whatever, and I say, hey,
so what do you do blah blah blah, and we

(01:14:50):
get talking.

Speaker 6 (01:14:51):
That's how it works.

Speaker 4 (01:14:53):
I don't know. I just think there's a little shift.
One thing I do know. People want better prior for things,
and they don't understand why there are that the prices
are what they are. They don't understand it. There is
a reason for the pricing we have. It's not like
they're arbitrary prices. But this, here's another term we hear,

(01:15:18):
and again it's one of these platitudes, corporate greed.

Speaker 5 (01:15:22):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:15:23):
Do you understand? Well, of course you understand, Mark, I
know you do. Deputy Dot, I'm not sure you and
I'm just kidding.

Speaker 6 (01:15:30):
Here's the deal.

Speaker 4 (01:15:31):
Corporations, publicly traded corporations, many of them find their ways
into iras and four oh one k's and plans. It's
these corporations are owned. If you look at the collective
of America and the working class, and the working class
owns a lot of these corporations.

Speaker 5 (01:15:51):
They own them.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
And sure there are some people profiting more than others,
but it's not like these corporations when you say corporate greed,
are like feeding one or two people. By the way,
just somebody texted me and asked, how do people become
billionaires overnight? If it's not greed or if it's not illegal.

(01:16:16):
I want to explain this, and I swear to God
we shouldn't have to explain this. It is so basic,
but I do, I really do want to explain something.
Let's say somebody has an idea for a business and
they start a corporation, okay, and it's private, so they
have stock and right now the stock is held by

(01:16:38):
them and maybe a few family members okay, or maybe
by just them. Now, there's nothing greedy, there's nothing wrong.
They started business, uber Lyft, Tesla, whatever, they start a business.

Speaker 6 (01:16:50):
It could be something much smaller, okay.

Speaker 4 (01:16:53):
Now this business takes off and they decide let's go public, Okay,
The public price is called the initial public offering the IPO.
Before a company goes public, every company in the world,
in the in the in the world does this. Every
capitalistic business, not a socialist business, not a government run business.

Speaker 6 (01:17:16):
But every business has what's called insider stock.

Speaker 4 (01:17:18):
All that means is this Mark started a company, ABC Corporation,
and ABC Corporation is doing great. So Mark says, I'm
going to so he retains let's say thirty percent stock,
maybe twenty percent, whatever it is, only so he can
have a voting block and he can direct the company,
because he doesn't want a bunch of know nothings direct

(01:17:41):
in the company. He's brought it to where it is
and he wants to bring it further. So now the
stock is sold, the IPO is at ten dollars. Okay,
So the first quarter after being public, they announced earnings
and earnings are doing great. And by the way, just
so people know, when the IPO is sold and the

(01:18:04):
money is infused into the company, that's the only money
this company gets. Every sale after the IPO, every sale
is private, every single one of them. The company does
not make another dime the IPO. The only time they
make money is if they issue new stock or through

(01:18:25):
the earnings of their products and services. So first quarter
Mark says, we had a great quarter and we made
this much money. And Mark has twenty percent of the stock.
So overnight, instead of trading at ten dollars, it goes
to fifteen dollars or even twenty. Mark has doubled his

(01:18:48):
net worth overnight. He did nothing to do it well.
He ran a great company, but he didn't seal from anybody.
He increased the value of the company for eighty percent
of the people. In fact, most insider stock is the

(01:19:09):
minority interest. It's a block, but it's a minority interest.
Now it might be Mark, and it might be some
of his kids or maybe an aunt or uncle, but
it is insider stock. And insider seems to have this
dirty word, but it's not. It means usually the people
that started the company and invested in the company. So

(01:19:32):
that's how people get rich. Robbie, you have a comment,
Go ahead, Robbie, welcome.

Speaker 6 (01:19:37):
What's going on?

Speaker 17 (01:19:39):
Hey, Tom, I just wanted to kind of chime in
and agree with some of what you were saying, And like,
I really think that some people have got it wrong.
It's not that young people don't want to work. I
think I'm in that demographic. It's and we don't expect
entitlements or handouts. We just want it to be a
more fair system. And I think that since the Great Depression,

(01:20:01):
since nineteen forty five, we put the top marginal tax
right up to ninety percent, and that was after all
the robber barons, the Vanderbilts and the Dukes and the
Carnegie had stolen so much money from the wedging class.

Speaker 2 (01:20:14):
It led to the depression.

Speaker 17 (01:20:15):
And I almost feel like we're at the brink of
that again. To where for the last eighty ninety years
and ever since, our economics and the promise of trickle
down economics that if we give the rich all the
money that will somehow come down to everybody else, well,
they I think just hoarded it. And then they went
even further with the no tax on everything, with the
Tea Party and Grover Norquist, to the point where we

(01:20:38):
couldn't raise taxes on anybody any else. And we're kind
of in the position when we're at and I guess
I look at billionaires as being some of the most
selfish people in the whole world who really need to help.
I really do and I try not to, but it's
hard not to when you see them making I mean
just billions of billions and not wanting to put anything back.

Speaker 12 (01:21:00):
And think of how many people, think of how many
people Elon Musk, for example, employee exactly exactly.

Speaker 17 (01:21:08):
I think I think that's the best example of Elon
Musk because nobody in America, nobody in America should own
their own rocket ship.

Speaker 4 (01:21:17):
Well, come on, now, hold on, Robbie, Robbie, if he
earned it, what's wrong with what he's doing? Though?

Speaker 6 (01:21:25):
Name what he did that was wrong.

Speaker 17 (01:21:28):
He didn't earn it. What he did is him and
his people and people who have been trying to stack
money to the affluent for as long as they could,
kept rewriting these tax laws to the point where they're
teaying pennies on what they should be paying.

Speaker 5 (01:21:42):
Nobody.

Speaker 9 (01:21:42):
There should be no robb world.

Speaker 13 (01:21:45):
He pays more taxes anybody, Robby.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Did you just say there should be no things? He
did you just say he's the king gag man, that's all?

Speaker 2 (01:21:56):
No?

Speaker 4 (01:21:56):
Hold on, Robbie, look at I want listen and I
want people to feel free to talk about anything they want.
But did you just say there should be no billionaires.

Speaker 9 (01:22:07):
I just don't see the purpose of it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
At what point don't At what point do you what?
At what point do you stop them? If they started
a company that's doing great, At what point you what
do you say you can't make any more money? What
do you say to them?

Speaker 17 (01:22:21):
So at nine and ninety nine million dollars you get
a trophy that says you won capitalism? We name it,
and then what work after you?

Speaker 4 (01:22:30):
We name it?

Speaker 5 (01:22:31):
Then what after you?

Speaker 9 (01:22:31):
Guys?

Speaker 17 (01:22:34):
Every red scent, every red scent that you r goes
to schools, education, goes to roads, goes.

Speaker 6 (01:22:41):
To Robbie, Robbie one.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
No one will make more money if it is taxed.

Speaker 9 (01:22:50):
But that's the problem.

Speaker 17 (01:22:51):
We've allowed these people to think that they can just
have this onlimited broke.

Speaker 4 (01:22:55):
As start to do money money that we don't have unlimited.

Speaker 17 (01:23:00):
Resources on the earth. We can't continue to allow these
people to accumulate.

Speaker 4 (01:23:04):
But Robbie, like the money wasn't Larry Larry.

Speaker 17 (01:23:08):
Ellison owns ninety eight percent of Lenai. Why do we
let one person buy an entire Hawaiian island.

Speaker 13 (01:23:14):
Because he can't.

Speaker 5 (01:23:16):
It's not let them, it happens.

Speaker 4 (01:23:19):
It just happens.

Speaker 17 (01:23:21):
We allowed them to happen. It because we allowed the
tax code to be rewritten for.

Speaker 4 (01:23:26):
Robbie. Don't, Robbie, Robbie, the tax code, truly, hey, by
the way, truly the tax code. I don't even know
what you're saying. I don't think you really do. You
can't name one bit of tax legislation.

Speaker 17 (01:23:40):
Okay, okay, it was ninety percent. The top marginal tax
rate was ninety percent of for World War two because
it led to the Great Depression. Now we're hovering around
the thirties, sometimes in the twenties, and sometimes because there's
so much deduction to pay it.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
What are you talking about, Robbie, deductions, deductions are made.
It doesn't the war was you talking about?

Speaker 10 (01:24:02):
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I don't think I downgraded this guy or insulted him,

(01:25:26):
but I just want to read you this because look
at you guys. I just want to let you know. Okay,
I got this this text from someone who texts me
quite a bit.

Speaker 5 (01:25:36):
It's the same old dude all the time.

Speaker 6 (01:25:38):
No, no, no, not that guy this is totally different.

Speaker 4 (01:25:40):
Listen to this, but I just want to look at
I do want to give a form to people who
want to talk to you. What I don't understand.

Speaker 12 (01:25:46):
The caller didn't even know when World War two? Okay, Mark,
I understand Marley had no idea.

Speaker 5 (01:25:54):
It was crazy.

Speaker 12 (01:25:55):
It's like he just took the talking points he was
given to march with and got him all scrambled up.

Speaker 4 (01:26:01):
The one thing that when he said there should not
be billionaires and one hundred percent should be taxed above
a certain amount, no one would work if one hundred
percent of their money was taxed, no one. They wouldn't
do it. And look at it. Here's the other thing.
Why should someone buy an island because he bought, as
Deputy d brought out, he bought from individual property owners

(01:26:21):
and put it together. He did it himself. Would he
want a government that can step in and say, by
the way, you're not allowed to buy this island. I
don't know how you control wealth? How do you control it?
If someone made the money legally? Why why you control?
You control it?

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
Not how do you?

Speaker 5 (01:26:38):
But why?

Speaker 4 (01:26:40):
Okay? I want to read this text because I want
to give full airing to this guy. Why when somebody
comes on with a different opinion from you, all conservatives,
there are your conservative radio stations. Do you guys attack
him and call him stupid and say he doesn't.

Speaker 6 (01:26:59):
Know what he talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
That makes you guys look terrible, the fact that you
can't let somebody have an opinion about something else and
talk about it and say instead of Mark spewing out
always he's a communist. All I have to say is
I enjoy listening to your talk. But when you guys
talk politics, you're one sided.

Speaker 6 (01:27:24):
It's not fun. I listen to both sides of people.

Speaker 4 (01:27:27):
I understand Republicans and I understand Democrats. Does that mean
I'm stupid? I listen to all sides too. But truly,
there's nothing wrong with asking questions, how do you control wealth? How?
I want to know someone. I want to know someone
who has a plan to control wealth. I want you
to tell me, sir, the one who's texting me, tell

(01:27:49):
me how. I don't want to hear platitudes. There should
be no billionaires. Everyone should have this, everyone should have
I want to hear an actual practical way to control wealth.
When you have people who think of something like I
like to use Uber and Lyft. Okay, did they steal
from anybody? What did they do wrong? What did they

(01:28:10):
do wrong? At what point do you step in and say,
you know what, that idea was just too good. Now
they keep talking about taxes. They don't understand that two percent,
no matter what you say, two percent of the people
pay most of all the taxes. Well, how can that?
How do you call that? How do you call that unfair?

(01:28:33):
I mean it is unfair, but not to you. I
really mean this sincerely. I look at I'm not a billionaire.
I'd love to be, but I haven't thought of an
idea that makes me a billionaire.

Speaker 15 (01:28:45):
Hey, Tom, can I just say one thing? Uber is
a perfect example. The government in New York City controlled
the taxi medallions. They were an exorbitant amount of money,
and they controlled a number of taxis.

Speaker 6 (01:28:57):
They were a million to a million and a half
dollars to become a tax.

Speaker 15 (01:29:01):
They controlled the amount of linss given out. So taxi
rates were high. As soon as Uber came along, what
happened to everybody? Prices for a ride went down. And
so you don't want to have government controlling things because
it just increases everything.

Speaker 12 (01:29:18):
And to that guy's point with Elon Musk, I mean,
why people can't own a spaceship.

Speaker 13 (01:29:23):
I don't even understand what he's talking about it.

Speaker 12 (01:29:25):
I don't even understand that Elon Musk has paid listen
to this, Between his companies and personally, he has generated
fifty billion with a b in tax revenue for this
country that feeds the poor, that educates our children.

Speaker 13 (01:29:43):
Fifty billion. That guy got called in.

Speaker 4 (01:29:45):
I bet he is. I want to mention thirty five cents. Okay,
I want to mention something and this really needs to
be said for education purposes. I'm not against people who
have different opinions, but I want to say this. You know,
you have people that really give the wrong impression. Who
is the billionaire, the most famous billionaire in you know,

(01:30:06):
the what's his name? No, no, no, no, I'm talking
about the guy that said he pays less payroll tax
than his secretary. Warren okay, Warren Wiffett, Okay, let me
let me explain this.

Speaker 18 (01:30:22):
He does play less payroll tax than his secretary, income tax,
less payroll taxes, that's what he said, income tax or
payroll and here's why.

Speaker 4 (01:30:33):
Because he chooses to take his income as dividends. In
other ways now also, and he's a very liberal man,
but but he he is a billionaire that they would
love to take every penny he has.

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Wait, wait, not dividends because the well, however he takes
it's not through appreciation.

Speaker 4 (01:30:54):
But what I'm saying is is and then people say
when corporations pay zero taxes, let me explain something. The
only way, the only way for a corporation to pay
zero tax The only way is to have deductions that
they where they reinvest in the corporation, or they take

(01:31:14):
it out as expenses.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
What does that mean?

Speaker 4 (01:31:17):
As expenses, accounting, legal, buying stuff. It's expenses another thing.
Payroll are expenses. So a good corporation their main goal,
their main goal, I mean unless they have shareholders. They
want to pay out dividends to shareholders. They want to
pay They don't want to have income tax. They want

(01:31:39):
to pay everything out to shareholders. People payroll expenses. They
generate employees. They generate money six times over the like
Mark just brought out, They generate income. People don't understand
economics when they say corporations pay zero and taxes that's

(01:32:01):
a good thing, because that means they're forced to put
their money back into the economy. So they have zero
corporate taxes. But what did the corporation generate in taxes?
That's the question to ask, not what did they pay

(01:32:21):
in taxes, but what did they generate? And that's what
Mark just brought out, what they generated in taxes three
oh three seven to one to three toll tax right, Tom,
Not just that, that's right, but dividends as well.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
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I'm Tom Martine. You're troubleshooter three oh three seven one
three talks seven one three two five five. Okay, I
got twenty five texts since that guy was on bashing billionaires.

(01:33:21):
Here's what one says, Tom, there is nothing that a
billionaire can accomplish that a group of senti millionaires cannot.
I guess they're saying that you don't need billionaires to
accomplish anything.

Speaker 6 (01:33:35):
But see they okay, never mind, I'm just going to
read these.

Speaker 4 (01:33:39):
And by the way, I just want to say that
means what is w because we were saying where do
you stop and when do you stop a billionaire? And
if you do, they'll stop producing. And this guy, I think,
is saying, or this woman, what can a billionaire accomplish
that a group of millionaires can't? Okay, So I guess
they're saying, you don't billionaires, But what did a billionaire

(01:34:02):
do wrong? At what point did they do something wrong?
Do you go in and say to them you're no
longer allowed to make money? Okay? Here, let me just
get to these texts because I welcome I swear to God,
I welcome all opinions. What amazes me is how many
texts and emails I'm getting these days.

Speaker 6 (01:34:20):
People just don't like hanging on the phone.

Speaker 4 (01:34:22):
Okay, Tom, to your earlier point, Robbie is just like
millions upon millions of voters out there and just want
everything given to them. It's scary. Can't beat a birth rate.
And that's why I believe America. By the way, now
this is me talking. I believe America is heading towards socialism.
I swear to God. Now they're going to have to
be proven through actuality that it doesn't work, but we're

(01:34:45):
heading there. Tom. Here's another text, Tom, who sounds more
stupid the billionaire hater or someone who thinks everyone in
Well County doesn't have teeth? Okay, that's no, Oh dear, Okay, Tom,
you are much like several of the other talk shows.

(01:35:05):
You encourage people to call with differing political views, then
you turn into a bloodbath. I didn't no, no, I
did not do that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:12):
I'm sorry Mark did.

Speaker 4 (01:35:13):
Anyway. Here's the other one to that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:17):
Yeah, but you start listen.

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
I don't want to attack people on the date of
World War two and all that. I truly want.

Speaker 6 (01:35:22):
People to talk and I really do.

Speaker 12 (01:35:24):
Okay, Well, Tom, wait a minute, Tom, he was saying
world War two created the Great Depression.

Speaker 13 (01:35:31):
It couldn't even be more backwards.

Speaker 4 (01:35:33):
But listen to what people are saying, Tom. That was
pretty eye opening. That guy called in and all of
a sudden, you were ganging up on him. And it
did sound like that a little. It probably did, But listen,
he didn't make valid points, but you were ganging up
on him him, calling him a communist, shooting down everything

(01:35:54):
he said. You guys say, you encourage people to call
with opposing views and then gleefully shut them down.

Speaker 6 (01:36:02):
You all have blind love of capitalism.

Speaker 4 (01:36:06):
See listen.

Speaker 6 (01:36:07):
Okay, I want to say this, and I really mean this.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
I'm honestly no, I really mean this. I really mean this.

Speaker 4 (01:36:13):
I do want opposing views and I don't want to
shut them down, but I do want to be able
to ask questions, Okay, and I don't want to gang
up on them. Okay, I really don't. Okay, Tom typical
left wing liberal caller. This guy rich people are evil
because he is jealous. Covet Is is an ugly thing. Tom,
your callie, Robber, your callie, your caller, Robbie ripping Elon

(01:36:37):
is a typical poor, lazy, young idiot Tommy, Tommy, Tom.
Just like those thrown out platitudes big pharm of those
rich billionaires, there are those who despise capitalism and want socialism.
Just like Obamacare, socialism would be a terrible financial failure
for the working middle class, Tom prizing to a lot

(01:37:01):
of people. But Colorado Springs is okay, Lars and him Tom. Anyway,
The rest is about different callers. But here's the deal.
I apologize if the perception and I can see where
it would be that we were ganging up. But I
wanted one question answered, and I really, I swear to God,
I'll give you time to talk. At what point do

(01:37:23):
you shut down a billionaire? At what point do you
shut down a millionaire? At what point do you do that?
What did they do wrong? And when did they do it?
I really want to know. I'm really honest to God,
I really want to know this. And Mark is not
going to call him names or anything like that.

Speaker 5 (01:37:39):
He just won't.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
And and truly, we really want to hear from you
three three seven, one three eight two five five, And
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(01:38:00):
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(01:38:43):
to Keith, who has a comment on Robbie's call. Go ahead, Keith, welcome.
What do you think there should not be billionaires?

Speaker 19 (01:38:51):
Well, of course that's ridiculous, But Mike comment is more
about the people who are calling in saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:58):
You guys ganged up on this guy.

Speaker 20 (01:39:00):
You gave him a platform, he was allowed to say
what he wanted to say, whether it be ignorant or not,
and you guys basically told him, who said, nobody gets
to call you out for saying something ridiculous.

Speaker 19 (01:39:13):
These people that are complaining that you didn't that you
didn't give him a platform, or they're complaining because you
didn't because you argued with him about a stupid statement.
I mean, the fact of the matter is, if you're
listening to show hoping you don't hear conflict, well then
you should listen to a different show.

Speaker 4 (01:39:30):
But Tay, now, I want to say this, and I
really mean it, and thank you for calling Keith. I
love people, I really do, and I love differing opinions.
But I want to understand I truly, honest to God,
I mean this from my heart. I want to understand them. Okay,
here's the text. For example, you asked for details. Here

(01:39:50):
goes strengthening, strengthen anti trust and competition laws.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
What does that mean?

Speaker 6 (01:39:58):
What exactly?

Speaker 4 (01:39:59):
He said? Enforce existing laws like Sherman and Clayton Acts.
Promote small business growth and local ownership through fair access
to credit and contracts. Okay, but here's what I want
to say. When you promote the small business growth, when
do you stop them? When all business started out as

(01:40:19):
small and local, all business did, Okay, so when do
you stop them?

Speaker 12 (01:40:24):
See even, let's go back to the garage store companies
in the home service companies the Mond Pole like Don's
garage stores. That guy, don you knew Don, I knew Dan.
He built that company, and God bless him. He sold
it for a lot of money. God bless them. So
people shouldn't be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (01:40:44):
That's the point I'm making. And then it says progressive
corporate taxes. He doesn't like him more more profitable companies
should pay higher taxes. The point I made was they
don't want to show a profit. The money be paid
out and circulated in the economy. This is economics one

(01:41:04):
oh one. You know what too much?

Speaker 6 (01:41:07):
Too much is envy right now, that's the problem.

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Man Dix is the Troubleshooter Show. No, Tom Martine, Hi.

Speaker 4 (01:42:07):
I'm Tom Martino. Welcome to the show with Major, Mark
Major and the gang in the studio. Back at the studio,
we got Deputy Doc Deputy Deputy Bow. We have sus
and we have at my house Casa Cassa, Benita. No,
I'm at Cassa Studio. We have a Deputy d here.

(01:42:28):
And by the way, let me let me go to
that shot with showing to d you have a follow
up on a problem. And by the way, people, I'm
serious about that. I'm really serious when I say this.
I do love varying opinions. I truly seek to understand them.
And if you don't get that from me, then you're
wrong because I'm not dogmatic. So Deputy d Naomi called

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and her problem was she was pulled over, she didn't
have proof of insurance, she had an outstanding warn went
to jail, car was towed. Her fees were around five
hundred bucks. Where did we stand with all this?

Speaker 5 (01:43:11):
You know, she got thrown in the slammer last week
or a couple of weeks ago, and Adams County Sheriff's
office had her car towed away, and unfortunately they had
a toad by APT Towing of Commerce City. And it's
not the first time we heard about APT Towing. We
had a very disturbing call about them a few weeks.
They must have a contract then with the city. Yeah,

(01:43:31):
I think that's generally how that works. Absolutely. The problem
isn't the impound and the towing fee and the storage fee.
I think it sounds like Naomi has given up on
the idea of retrieving her car. And frankly, that might
not be a bad thing, because she has a history
of driving, an admitted history of driving without insurance. But

(01:43:51):
the problem is that she attempted to retrieve her personal
property from the car, and according to Naomi, APT Towing
refuse to give her access to her personal property unless
she pays them three hundred dollars to do so.

Speaker 4 (01:44:06):
And well, hold on, don't those new laws prevent that? Mark?

Speaker 19 (01:44:12):
No, not.

Speaker 12 (01:44:12):
When it comes to a police toe, almost everything is
thrown out the window, now, certain items like a car
seat for a child or medication, certain items.

Speaker 5 (01:44:21):
But they went out.

Speaker 12 (01:44:23):
They towed the car because the police called, and they've
never got a nickel. Why should they let her in
to grab her stuff? Why about just being nice?

Speaker 5 (01:44:37):
Well no, how about just being proper? So Mark, the
fact that they haven't got a nickel yet doesn't mean
they won't.

Speaker 16 (01:44:43):
It is.

Speaker 5 (01:44:44):
I can predict that they're going to apply for title
to this car because they can't afford it.

Speaker 12 (01:44:49):
If she offered to sign the car over, sign the
title over to them in exchange for her.

Speaker 5 (01:44:54):
Stuff, because that is her stuff. Apt towing legitimately toe
a car at the sheriff's they doesn't give them right
to take control and possession and ownership of her person.

Speaker 4 (01:45:15):
Does Why?

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
Why?

Speaker 13 (01:45:18):
How the laws written for god, No, it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:45:20):
No, it's not written that way.

Speaker 4 (01:45:22):
It doesn't. It doesn't say that they own her personal stuff.
It's just a policy. They have to get paid. They're
using it as leverage.

Speaker 5 (01:45:32):
Yeah, what if she had her paycheck in there, does
it give them the right to out take ownership of
that paycheck and cash it.

Speaker 8 (01:45:40):
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:45:41):
I don't agree on this, and again, I mean you know.

Speaker 12 (01:45:45):
It has nothing to do with agreeing. That's the rules
that are set up in the game. If you tow
a vehicle, with the exception of some things like medication,
in children's car seat until they pay you.

Speaker 13 (01:46:00):
You get to keep all that stuff. That's just the
rules of the game.

Speaker 5 (01:46:06):
Well, those aren't necessarily just an equitable.

Speaker 4 (01:46:09):
No, that's true, and we don't always go by the rules.
Sometimes it isn't just an equitable and it wouldn't do
them any harm releasing that stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:46:18):
A trash company that won't pick up an LCDTV. I
think that's a bunch of crap. But that's part of
the rules of that game.

Speaker 4 (01:46:28):
All right. Don you have a question about electronic sim cards?

Speaker 6 (01:46:33):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (01:46:33):
Don Yeah, good, good after and everybody. I'm going to
be going over seas next week and I'm looking into
getting putting an electronic SIM card on my cell phone,
and I want to know if anybody out there.

Speaker 4 (01:46:47):
Well, first of all, it either has one, but that's
in That's exactly right. You can't just put it on there.
Do you have an electronic sim already?

Speaker 2 (01:46:57):
I'm pretty sure I do not, but I'm not a
PC sure.

Speaker 4 (01:47:01):
Well, if it has, if you're going overseas, you're going
to want to get a new phone.

Speaker 5 (01:47:04):
That has one.

Speaker 4 (01:47:06):
Yes, But the question here's the here's the other part
of this. If you have a hard SIM card. You
can't switch to an electronic one. You have to switch phones.
You don't just go from a hard SIM card, which is,
you know, just a regular SIM card, to an electronic
one or back that. It's not switchable like that. So

(01:47:30):
if I were you, yeah, yep, you can't do that.
So you have to go and get a phone that
takes electronic sims and then you're able to switch back
and forth as needed. But you can't just do it
from a regular phone that has a regular SIM right now,
are they even selling new new phones with SIM cards

(01:47:50):
with regulars? I'm sure there are some like kind of
weird off brands like on Amazon, like Blue phone or whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:47:57):
What kind of phone do you have? Caller?

Speaker 9 (01:47:59):
What kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:48:02):
You would ask me that?

Speaker 5 (01:48:04):
If you tell me what kind of phone, I'll tell
you who's your car?

Speaker 6 (01:48:07):
Who's your carrier?

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
Hold on? Let me tell these that?

Speaker 4 (01:48:12):
And sometimes you can here go ahead, it's straight talk.
Oh I don't know what that is? Straight talk. That's
one of these off brands.

Speaker 2 (01:48:23):
Oh I know that for years?

Speaker 4 (01:48:27):
Oh you have okay, and and uh, why don't you
call them and ask them if they have a plan
for that?

Speaker 9 (01:48:35):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Yeah, sure, will I think I will do that.

Speaker 9 (01:48:38):
Yeah, I will do that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:41):
Okay, So look at what kind.

Speaker 8 (01:48:42):
Of phone was not telling me?

Speaker 2 (01:48:46):
Use your guide? Maybe that will tell you something. Uh
but anyway, see that's what Oh I got a fam
Sung Galaxy two five five Galaxy A two five five.

Speaker 4 (01:48:59):
G Okay, hello, that that probably is not going to
be good for overseas.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
Okay, so you should call them though and ask them
what they recommend her. What kind of phone was it?

Speaker 6 (01:49:17):
It's a Galaxy, Yeah, well Galaxy?

Speaker 4 (01:49:19):
What a twenty five?

Speaker 13 (01:49:25):
That might be actually hold on that that very well
could be, but maybe not, I'll tell you in a second.

Speaker 5 (01:49:30):
Okay, is.

Speaker 4 (01:49:33):
Probably not.

Speaker 5 (01:49:35):
Yeah, that's what I thought. That's what I found.

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
Okay, I'll give them. I'll give them a holidays and
today and tomorrow to see if they got.

Speaker 4 (01:49:42):
Thanks bro, thank you don for calling. All right man
three oh three seven one three yes seven or three
two five five. I'm reading something interesting.

Speaker 12 (01:49:52):
It says CRS forty two dashfoward dot eighteen o three
and then the hell's that?

Speaker 4 (01:49:58):
It's it's a CRS but it's law. Yeah no, I know,
but what what is it referring to? Go ahead towing?
It's referring to towing.

Speaker 12 (01:50:06):
Okay, go ahead, and it basically says they do have
to allow you to get your stuff. I mean, really,
that's kind.

Speaker 4 (01:50:16):
Of what it's saying.

Speaker 5 (01:50:17):
Hold on what I was about to say before you.

Speaker 6 (01:50:21):
How many look up that law?

Speaker 5 (01:50:23):
How many days was it? God, it was just a
few days after the toe that she first attempted.

Speaker 4 (01:50:28):
But how many did she actually go down there?

Speaker 12 (01:50:31):
Because this says go down there and if they won't
let you get it, you say, hey, I'm here from
my personal property under CRS forty two for eighteen and
O three three b mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:50:44):
Yeah. Well they told her that's really nice, but we
still need the three hundred bucks. I mean, that's what
they're going to tell her if she even if she
quotes the statute.

Speaker 4 (01:50:51):
Yeah, I don't know did she actually do it.

Speaker 13 (01:50:53):
Did she actually go down there?

Speaker 5 (01:50:55):
I don't know if she called her went down there.
But but the where it boiled down to is that
they want three hundred bucks just to let her go
get her stuff out of the car.

Speaker 4 (01:51:06):
Well, that's what he's supposed to do, and then call
the police if they're not going to allow her to
do it.

Speaker 5 (01:51:12):
Yeah, Well I called the Sheriff's office Mark. So I
had a conversation with Sergeant Shahaney over Adams Country. Although no,
I didn't quote the law, but I spoke with Sergeant
Shahaney at Adams County Sheriff's office and I said, hey, look,
is this consistent with your towing policy? And he said, well,
I don't know what our towing policy is. And then

(01:51:34):
I said, does this Can you just call APT Towing
and asked them, as a courtesy to you, to let
this woman get her stuff out.

Speaker 2 (01:51:41):
Of the car.

Speaker 5 (01:51:42):
And Sergeant Shahaney says, no, I don't think I'm going
to call them either. So then I invited him to
come on the air with us to discuss the Adams
County Sheriff's office policy with regard to getting people's property
out of the car, and he and that invitation was
met with silence. He still hasn't called me back in county.
That's Adams County Sheriff's off figures. And by the way,

(01:52:02):
you can't reach the sheriff over there. You can't find
the sheriff's email address, you can't find the sheriff's phone number,
no extension number, nothing. Why don't know what the hell
this guy does?

Speaker 9 (01:52:13):
All day.

Speaker 12 (01:52:14):
Why don't you call the towing company and actually cite
that thirty two for eighteen oh three three That one
says the operator shall allow the owner to remove any
personal property from the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
Okay, I have an answer for that question too. Here's
why I called Karen Fisher, who owns APT Towing, three times.
The girl who answers the call says that Karen is
not around today, and I get that same thing every day.

Speaker 6 (01:52:42):
I think Small Claims Court is an order here.

Speaker 5 (01:52:45):
I would, I would, I would absolutely go and sue
them for trustpend help help her do that? Well, you
know what I mean, capable. I don't think Naomi's going
to be able to you.

Speaker 4 (01:52:55):
Don't think she hasn't were with all this?

Speaker 13 (01:52:57):
How long has it been she got thrown in the slammer?

Speaker 5 (01:53:01):
Just what the week before the twenty sex They got
to help her.

Speaker 6 (01:53:04):
Through the logistics.

Speaker 13 (01:53:05):
So just tell her how to do it somebody days
hits HiT's over?

Speaker 5 (01:53:09):
Yeah, how about a few of our callers call APT
Towing and quote the law that Mark just found. Are
you guys sing?

Speaker 4 (01:53:16):
Mark? Slowly?

Speaker 6 (01:53:17):
Quote that law for me?

Speaker 5 (01:53:18):
Please? All right? Ready? Yes for the good video game?

Speaker 12 (01:53:22):
No crs forty two, Dash four, Dash eighteen oh three.

Speaker 4 (01:53:30):
And Dash eighteen oh four. Oh okay and dash okay.

Speaker 13 (01:53:35):
And they're very straightforward like.

Speaker 12 (01:53:37):
Four says owner is a right to remove personal property
at any time without a payment of any towing.

Speaker 4 (01:53:45):
Okay, see now that, Come on, D. You got to
help them. You got to help her through the logistics
of this. She has to represent herself. You can't do it.

Speaker 5 (01:53:53):
But it's too busy arguing with me.

Speaker 4 (01:53:58):
Actually, though what he was arguing was correct. He was
arguing that she should have a right to get her stuff,
and the law does.

Speaker 6 (01:54:05):
And Mark, thank you for looking that up, sir. No,
I'm serious.

Speaker 4 (01:54:08):
He looked it up and it contradicted what he said.

Speaker 13 (01:54:11):
I like it contradicted what D was saying.

Speaker 5 (01:54:14):
No, it didn't.

Speaker 9 (01:54:15):
Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:54:15):
Do you think do you think some of our listeners
might like to call APT and turn fissure out.

Speaker 4 (01:54:20):
I don't mind APT towing. Here's the issue. The woman
needs the right to get her stuff. You know, I
wonder how many other people they're doing this too.

Speaker 5 (01:54:29):
Oh, this is, in my view, a terrible predatory company.
I mean, they should say you guys.

Speaker 12 (01:54:35):
It also says here that if there is an issue
and they're totally denying it, like it sounds.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
Like what's going on.

Speaker 12 (01:54:42):
It does really okay, but once again, you're supposed to.
It does say you're supposed to go down there in person.
So that's I don't know if she ever did this,
nor did she ever cite the law, but it says
to call the local police if they are being denied
and say, hey, my property in violation of CRS forty
for you.

Speaker 5 (01:55:00):
Let her do that, okay, let.

Speaker 4 (01:55:02):
Her do that. We're gonna call and with the PUC.
March I did, let me ask you this.

Speaker 5 (01:55:07):
I did walk her through the process of complaining to
the PUC, and she did complain to the PUC. And
there's a woman by the name of Tamika over there
who supposed.

Speaker 6 (01:55:16):
That the police.

Speaker 5 (01:55:18):
What local police has jerish Thomas City one commercity.

Speaker 4 (01:55:22):
They Commerce city. They're not bad, yea, they may they
may do something if she quotes this law specifically.

Speaker 5 (01:55:29):
Tom do you have me to tell you the phone
number for you?

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
Wait before you tell it.

Speaker 12 (01:55:32):
We got to take a break anyhow, But hold on
before you tell it, give it to Kelly and let's
have her try to get him on the air.

Speaker 2 (01:55:39):
Let's do that.

Speaker 5 (01:55:39):
First.

Speaker 4 (01:55:41):
Okay, hold on, no, so don't give it an earlier.

Speaker 5 (01:55:43):
I thought Kelly was off today.

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I'm continuing to get texts.

Speaker 12 (01:57:04):
I will say this, Well, hold on, I have let's report.
We were talking about the toe. Let's go back to
that real quick. Okay, go ahead, I called over there.
Summarize it.

Speaker 4 (01:57:12):
Yeah, first of all, summarize what we're talking about.

Speaker 12 (01:57:14):
This lady can't get her car after it got impounded
from a police toe because she got busted for the
umpteeth time without insurance and whatever else she did. So
she wants her personal property out of the car. They
told her. According to her, they weren't going to give
it to her. We looked up the law and there
is a few exceptions, but in general crs forty two four,

(01:57:36):
eighteen oh three, and eighteen oh four, they must allow
you to get your personal effects out of there. That's
pretty much what it states. Now, the issue is you
have to own the car. They told me. Soon as
I gave the name of the lady of the caller
first and last name, they go, she doesn't own the car,
so we're not gonna let her get anything out. So,

(01:57:59):
if I guess, if you want to believe she does
own the car, now, let's talk about ownership. If she
has a title that is literally in her name, not
signed over in the back, but literally a title in
her name, I would say that's ownership. If she has
a registration to the car in her name, I would
say that's ownership.

Speaker 13 (01:58:20):
Other than that, I don't know what ownership would be.

Speaker 12 (01:58:22):
If she has a title that is in someone else's
name and there's a name scribbled on the back apparently
giving it to her, that is not ownership of that vehicle.

Speaker 5 (01:58:33):
Agreed, that wouldn't count. I think Kelly's trying to reach Naomi.

Speaker 13 (01:58:37):
Now I left, Okay, and how many do UIs? Or
what was her deal? Why was she arrested? What was
the problem?

Speaker 4 (01:58:44):
I thought it was a lack of insurance? But how
did they even know? Did they?

Speaker 5 (01:58:47):
How do I guess what?

Speaker 12 (01:58:48):
They run a license plate and it comes back this
car has been pulled over and they never have their shirt.

Speaker 5 (01:58:54):
Now there was a warrant out for out of Jeffco
I believe Okay or some other jurisdamic Let's think about this.

Speaker 12 (01:59:01):
If if the license plate somehow, if she wasn't speeding
or doing anything and she just came up in one
of the camera systems in these new police cars.

Speaker 13 (01:59:11):
That might mean it is registered to her.

Speaker 5 (01:59:15):
Yeah, I don't know. You know that was I wasn't
interested in why she got arrested, in what's going to
happen with that case. I just wanted to help her
get her stuff out of the car. But if she
get on the car, she's screwed. I mean, I agree, right,
I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:59:29):
It's an interesting law though, and we should use this
law in the future because we get a lot of
calls about this. Speaking about a lot of calls, I
just want to say this. I truly have never gotten
more texts about a single topic than one where the
guy said, there should be no billionaires.

Speaker 6 (01:59:48):
The tax code is unfair.

Speaker 4 (01:59:50):
Here's what if I summarize this call, there should there's
no reason to ever have billionaires of all the income
above a billion should be for school and institutions like that,
and that there should be no tax loopholes and all
that kind of stuff. Okay, basically, the income tax law
is unfair. And it was the song we hear a

(02:00:11):
lot of and I've gotten a lot of texts, and
a lot of them said, look, Tom, you encourage people
to call, but you shut him down and I did
not shut him down, and I will not shut him down,
but I will say that I can see where you
got that impression what I was trying to do, and
we were all bombarding him with questions, so it sounded
like we were getting in up on him what I

(02:00:31):
truly want to do.

Speaker 6 (02:00:33):
And this is for everyone texting me on this.

Speaker 4 (02:00:36):
I want to.

Speaker 6 (02:00:36):
Understand your position. I really do.

Speaker 4 (02:00:40):
I don't mean just with Claus waves. Do most of
these texts hold on? Like if you have twenty texts.

Speaker 12 (02:00:46):
Are you saying more than twenty? Whatever it is, where's
the majority at? Do they agree there should be no
billionaires or it's just complete critique over how you handled it?

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
No?

Speaker 6 (02:00:57):
No, A lot of them say the guy was a
baby blah blah blah.

Speaker 13 (02:01:01):
Okay, so most of them think the guy's a nut.

Speaker 4 (02:01:03):
They have you intend listen as k how does we
tend to skew conservative on audience? But I do have
and I don't want to lose my progressive or liberal listeners.
I look, first of all, I don't believe everyone is
totally one way or another, but I do want to
hear and understand, and I beg people to do it,

(02:01:25):
and I do apologize if the impression was that we
didn't give them time. Wait second time, what do you response?

Speaker 12 (02:01:32):
What are you supposed to say when a guy like
that calls up and then he starts quoting, well, the
only reason we had the Great Depression is World War two.
When that's completely fabricated, it's completely backwards.

Speaker 5 (02:01:45):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (02:01:46):
What I wanted to get to was the philosophy part
of it, not the little you know what, The little
facts and figures, honest to God, don't mean as much
to me as the overall feeling and philosophy of someone
and they feel a certain way. I don't want to
nippick when they call up and say that black car
shouldn't have ran the red light run. It wasn't a

(02:02:07):
black car, it was dark blue. What I'm getting at, Mark,
is I understand what you're saying, and on a technical basis,
we could get hung up on this. I want to
know overall understanding of how people feel and why they
feel a certain way. One guy took the time to
tell me, He said, Tom, I want you to look up. Basically,
he said, the Sherman Act, and this is what should

(02:02:29):
be enforced, and it's not being enforced.

Speaker 6 (02:02:32):
So the Sherman Act.

Speaker 8 (02:02:34):
So I looked it up.

Speaker 4 (02:02:36):
Outlaws agreements, contracts, or conspiracies that unreasonably restrict trade or competition. Okay,
like price fixing, competitors agreeing to set prices, market division,
companies agreeing to split territories, bid rigging, a colluding okay.

Speaker 6 (02:02:55):
Prohibits monopolization.

Speaker 4 (02:02:57):
It's illegal to monopolize or attempt to monopolize any part
of a trade or commerce. This targets companies for their
anti competitive tactics. So all I'm getting at is this,
But to still there's deed. Who's to say there.

Speaker 6 (02:03:11):
Are outlaw agreements or contracts.

Speaker 4 (02:03:14):
Again, they say, okay, enforce the Sherman Act, But tell
me who had an outlaw agreement or who illegally conspired.
It's so easy to point fingers one guy's.

Speaker 15 (02:03:29):
Body from starting their own rocket company. Yeah, right, that's
the kind of thing. So you know, I can go
outside a rocket company. There's no prohibition against that.

Speaker 4 (02:03:42):
Yeah. To see, The point I think is is that
we've had so many politicians. They campaign on envy, they
campaign on things they call unfair, but they don't give specifics. Listen,
if there are billionaire out there breaking the law, I
want their asses arrested.

Speaker 5 (02:04:03):
I want them in jail.

Speaker 4 (02:04:04):
Okay, I do, But why is it that we are
concentrating on billionaires? There are eight hundred billionaires, eight hundred
that's I mean, come on, in a country of millions
of people, there are eight hundred billionaires. They can't possibly
be the source of all of our woes. Yet if

(02:04:26):
you read some of these texts, they're all targeted against billionaires.
So I don't get it. George Sorrows is a billionaire?
What about him? What about him? Or Warren Buffett? Yeah,
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Hi Tom Martina here with Mark Major in the gang.

Speaker 13 (02:05:41):
Hey give me just a second here, would you please?

Speaker 12 (02:05:44):
On what topic are you you're gonna I'm gonna I'm
gonna approach it a different way. When that guy, the
caller that started all this was talking about the Great Depression,
I'm not even going to the World War two part
because that's where you keep.

Speaker 4 (02:05:58):
Cutting me off.

Speaker 12 (02:05:59):
But a lot of liberals, democrats, socialists, communists think the
government literally caused the depression. They blame capitalism on the depression.
That's why they always point to that. They say, the
Great Depression. If it wasn't for capitalism, and it wasn't
for FDR coming in with our great social experiment, the

(02:06:21):
country would have probably never come back blah blah blah
because of the dirty capitalist. The problem with that argument,
and a lot of people make that argument, But the
biggest problem, the phony boloney part about it, if you will,
is that's not what happened. What happened is our government,
the actual government, not the capitalists. The government was printing

(02:06:45):
money back in twenty eight twenty seven like a drunken sailor.
And when they finally, finally finally quit printing money like
it was going out of style, the Great Depression kicked in.
That's what happened. It was our government that food barred
the entire era. It wasn't capitalist or billionaires or back

(02:07:08):
then millionaires.

Speaker 8 (02:07:09):
So that's what I wanted to get FD I didn't
get until thirty two.

Speaker 6 (02:07:14):
Yes, correct, So okay.

Speaker 4 (02:07:16):
By the way, one guy.

Speaker 8 (02:07:19):
His social plans were meant to decrease the.

Speaker 13 (02:07:22):
Effect of the and I'd argue, and I'd argue they
made them longer.

Speaker 8 (02:07:26):
Well, I'm okay, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (02:07:29):
Let me ask a question, do we feel do we
feel that there is some corruption and abuse at corporate
levels in America? Of course there is, right saw me okay,
And I think what people do on both sides are
exaggerate both sides. One guy texted me, I don't really

(02:07:51):
care about billionaires. I care about corporations and corporate corruption.
So there were some specifics given. I asked about the
about the Sherman Act and all of that, and one
guy said, in a landmark United States versus standard oil.
Standard Oil was found to conspire and they conspired to

(02:08:11):
restrain trade and commerce and petroleum uh and to monopolize
the commerce of petroleum, and they were ordered to break
up into many smaller companies. Then there was another case
where a company was found guilty of price fixing and
they were fined one hundred million dollars U a d M.

(02:08:35):
And then there's another one with Apple was found to
conspire to fix ebook prices and they were they were.

Speaker 8 (02:08:45):
Fine, and the biggest one was the phone company, right mob.

Speaker 4 (02:08:49):
So I think the government does a good job there,
But I think this texture might be a little more
specific and and and and targeted on real corruption that
goes on okay.

Speaker 6 (02:09:04):
But there's a big paintbrush though that.

Speaker 4 (02:09:07):
A lot of people use to talk about corporate corruption
as if any successful corporation or specifically the people who
started them are somehow taking advantage of illegal measures, when,
especially when Elon Musk was in the government looking for waste,
they all said that, you know, he was favored, and

(02:09:29):
and they keep talking about Elon Musk's corruption and how
Tesla was built on corruption. I want to know, how
how did Tesla get built on corruption? I've never even
heard that. Oh my god, after Doze, what are you kidding?

(02:09:50):
That was one of the biggest criticisms that Trump brought
in his cronies and Tesla Elon Musk is corrupt.

Speaker 12 (02:09:58):
Tesla was built fifteen, twenty whatever years ago. What does
that got to do with what happened in January?

Speaker 4 (02:10:05):
Mark, Mark, I'm just I'm talking about people when they
toss out their sayings, they're just.

Speaker 13 (02:10:12):
Following the marching orders from their bosses. That's all I mean.
If Bernie says it, you must repeat big And.

Speaker 4 (02:10:19):
That's the part and that's the part I want people
to know on this show. Truly, we want to solve problems.
One want to answer questions, We want to take complaints.
When we talk about the overall bigger issues, I truly
seek to understand why people feel certain ways, and we
have to acknowledge there are a lot of people who
feel that this country is going to hell because billionaires

(02:10:44):
are cheating the system. Now there are only eight hundred
of them, but somehow they are the source of some
of our biggest problems, and they say you should tax
the billionaires. Do you understand if you taxed one hundred
percent of all eight hundred billionaires. It would run the
country for less than a month. It's one hundred percent

(02:11:10):
of every billionaire, one hundred percent.

Speaker 5 (02:11:13):
And there'd be no jobs.

Speaker 4 (02:11:15):
But when one guy called and said every penny over
nine hundred and ninety nine million dollars should go to
a public good, who tell me what company or person?
If you're making money and you're told above a certain amount,
one hundred percent goes to taxes, truly, would you keep producing?

(02:11:37):
Why wouldn't you just take what you have and say, okay,
this is the best of them going to do.

Speaker 13 (02:11:42):
There's a much bigger flaw in his entire thing there.
And I'll answer your.

Speaker 12 (02:11:46):
Question why they would do it, because they would simply
create a trust that's running the rest of their money.
Then when that hits that marker, they would do it again.
Then again it would be their family, Lee dynasty and
different names. It wouldn't matter, it would still be the
same thing.

Speaker 4 (02:12:06):
I would love again, people to give us a chance.
I want to explore why people feel a certain way, truly,
and just give us a call, and we are happy
to talk to you about it. By the way, you
and Mark should read nineteen twenty nine. I don't know

(02:12:26):
what that means, but that's a book by Sorkin and
then Tom. In the mid eighties, the under Sheriff of
Adams County was caught late night by a high shaff
himself using the company guess once for his personal.

Speaker 5 (02:12:39):
Blah blah blah.

Speaker 4 (02:12:41):
If you warn anyway, that's a text about something else. Tom.
There's a lot of corruption, not only in Adams County
but in Weld County. You guys ought to look into it.
The Sheriff's department doesn't give a damn about the people. Okay,
we got more coming up on The Troubleshooter Show.