The Troubleshooter 8-28-24

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah'll ripped up.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
News.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
You need advice? Who you don't help.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Come run inches as as as a cam shooter's gonna
help come Man Dix is the Troubleshooter Show.

Speaker 4 (00:22):
No Tom Martino, kello.

Speaker 5 (00:26):
Tom Martino here, Welcome to the show. Three oh three
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Nine nine nine fifty two eighty.

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know we have fun on YouTube, and a lot of
times what we do with YouTube is we use it to.

Speaker 1 (03:06):
Really actually for fun.

Speaker 5 (03:07):
I mean a lot of times it's a whole different
show going on on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
But what I'd like to.

Speaker 5 (03:12):
Do with YouTube, I mean not just this. Of course,
you guys can, we can discuss anything you want. But
what I would like to do is have instant comments
on callers. Now you do that anyway, but I want
to get a handle, an instant handle on your impression
of calls or problems. I promise you I'm going to

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take it seriously. Now, obviously you all have your jokes
like end this call, or my god, I'm dying here,
or this person's moron whatever. I don't mind that, but
if you have any serious comments, you make them here.
I'm going to try to incorporate that during the call.
There's nothing like live feedback.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
During the call.

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And of course you can also text me, so remember
that five seven seven three nine through iHeart or you
can go seven four seven, nine nine nine fifty two eighty.
I'm just trying to give you as many places as
possible to get through to me.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Now, Quorra.

Speaker 5 (04:08):
I used to go on Quorra and answer questions, But god,
I don't know if anybody has Quorra, but that that
platform has gotten so crazy. Have you noticed that a
lot of platforms are just taken over by ideology, I
mean totally just taken over.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
Look at I don't mind diversity of thought.

Speaker 5 (04:28):
I like having I don't think lopsided government's good one
way or the other. I love variety. I love an
exchange of ideas. But my god, it's just amazing how.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
There is no real diversity of thought.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Now they're they're kind of quashing out non I call
them non narratives. Now, before you say, ah, Tom, you're
you know you're coming down on progressives and liberals.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
That's the current narrative right now.

Speaker 5 (04:59):
I true feel that the majority of the wave, with
younger people and a lot of adults, is toward liberal
progressive policies, or at least that is what Michael Brown
would call the cabal cabal, the power, the deep state,
some people call it. Let's just call it the narrative.

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There are different narratives at different times. There really are.
During the Reagan period we had the silent majority, and
he had a narrative that really the country was conservative,
no one really knew it, and he appealed to those people,
but that he said, that was the real undercurrent of
the country. I'm not preaching one or the other, by
the way, I'm just saying that. Have you noticed how

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ideology takes over platforms. They absolutely For example, Quora, Quora
poses questions on purpose that beg answers that slam anything
conservative or anything Trump related. Of course, so many people
love slimmy Trump, but they always and then they ask

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questions that always elicit compliments and praise for Kamala Harris
or Biden.

Speaker 1 (06:14):
It's just the way it is. I'm not giving you
my thoughts, I'm telling you that's the way. It is.

Speaker 5 (06:19):
The same thing with other forms of media. They all
have narratives. You remember during COVID, COVID everything was vaccination,
everything was face mask everything was you know, everyone needs
to do everything as opposed to going to those people
at risk, as it turns out they were all wrong.
Whether you like it or not, they were all wrong.

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The reason so many people died is they were doing
weird protocols when people got sick. They weren't treating people properly.
They didn't know how to treat people. If we had
it now, it would be a whole different ballgame. But remember,
narrative was face masks and vaccinations and government control and mandates,
and and Zuckerberg just came out and admitted that he

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was told to suppress anything that wasn't.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
The narrative for COVID.

Speaker 5 (07:13):
Doesn't that bother you that the government's trying to get
involved in these platforms because they don't want us to
see certain things, and they suppress the Hunter Biden laptop stories.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
So there are some people that talk about rigged.

Speaker 5 (07:29):
Elections, and they don't necessarily mean rigged in the sense
that they stuffed ballot boxes. But what they mean is
they controlled what you saw. Now again, you know, I
don't get political here where I try to tell you
what to vote for, who to vote for. I'm just
making some observations. Does anyone is anyone afraid of that

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that the government pressures companies and only want certain information release.
And the really chilling thing is how many people go
along with that.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
Why?

Speaker 5 (08:07):
Because it's okay for censorship. If you're censoring people who
disagree with me, that's scary. It's okay to censor those
people who I don't like hearing from.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Let's go to the phones. Heather called yesterday.

Speaker 5 (08:28):
I wanted to get Deputy Doc's take on this, and
I also did some research on it. So she said,
let's just get right to the meat of the story.
She called paramedics for some terrible menstrual pains. She has
cysts on her ovaries, Doc, and she has terrible, terrible

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menstrual cycles, some of them bursts sometimes and this pain
is unbearable, and she called paramedics more than once. Now
I've heard of people going through this. It's a terrible
thing when they have cysts on their ovaries. And Deputy
Doc as that retired obgyn and so I mean there

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are many people that go to emergency rooms for it.
She calls an ambulance and she said when she was
in the ambulance somewhere somehow they gave her ketymine. Now
ketymine is being used a lot in different circumstances. For pain, anxiety,
a combination of those things. Doc, when you were around

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in practicing, was ketymine used almost never time?

Speaker 1 (09:37):
I never used it in my forty plus years. But
did you hear about did you know about it? Success?
Still about it?

Speaker 6 (09:43):
But I don't remember anybody using it the way they're
using it now.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh frequently. Yeah, and they're especially using it on what on.

Speaker 5 (09:56):
Patients or people that they perceive are overly anxious or
will give them trouble. But here's what she called about.
And I looked it up and there are there's no
scientific evidence to support it. She was giving one dose
of this one, and.

Speaker 1 (10:18):
She said, ever since then, she's never been the.

Speaker 5 (10:22):
Same, and she's having all kinds of neurological problems. Nowhere
anywhere in any literature anywhere can I find, even on
the sites that tend to be wacko, I can find
no records, no clinical evidence, no case studies, no predominant

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side effects.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
For anything they say.

Speaker 5 (10:49):
During usage, you can have some cognitive impairment, bladder and
kidney issues, even psychosis if you use it in higher doses, disorientation,
confusion and dizziness, and nausea if you use it a lot,
and come off it, but normally there's no permanent, lasting effects.

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She's saying her hands are going numb randomly now and
she had to give up her job as a mechanic.
She also said it scared the hell out of her
when she was administered it because she saw her dead
mother and she hallucinated. And that's all understandable. I think again,
I'm not a doctor. I'm not even close. I think

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Heather's having anxiety as a result of the experience. It's
like a bad trip. But this numbness of the hands, Look,
it could be anything. It could be a pinch nerve
in the neck, it could be anything. It could be
carpal tunnel. There's so many things. But Heather, I really
did some searching to find out if there are permanent,

(11:56):
permanent effects from ketamine, and from one dose of ketamine
there is not one instance, not one of permanent damage.

Speaker 6 (12:10):
Hey, Heather, how did you find out it was kedemine?
Did you ask them what they gave you?

Speaker 7 (12:16):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (12:19):
When did there's the car?

Speaker 8 (12:21):
Heather?

Speaker 4 (12:22):
How long two weeks ago?

Speaker 1 (12:25):
How long two weeks ago?

Speaker 9 (12:28):
Have you mean before for pain?

Speaker 6 (12:31):
Have you seen have you seen a neurologist about your symptoms?

Speaker 10 (12:36):
No, I just said, they just started.

Speaker 9 (12:38):
So I just called I called Tom on everything.

Speaker 5 (12:40):
On every issue I ever ever have, I call him
wherever it's medical or whatever.

Speaker 2 (12:45):
But memory losses is a big one too.

Speaker 11 (12:48):
But I don't know, Heather.

Speaker 5 (12:52):
Heather, I know it scared you, and you've said that
several times, and I know it really affected you. But
I'm going to tell you that your memory loss and
your neurological problems from everything I'm reading, Doc, what's the
likelihood that one dose of a medication will do this

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much damage?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Tom?

Speaker 6 (13:18):
It's almost I can't even give you a number. I mean,
there are people who have idiosyncre reactions to certain medications,
and she may be that one in ten million that
had that kind of reaction, But the probability is so
small that I think it approaches zero.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
I mean, it really does.

Speaker 5 (13:39):
So I don't know what you want, Heather, when you
called yesterday.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
What is your goal?

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Well, just to talk to you.

Speaker 5 (13:49):
I don't want look at when I tell you this.
I don't want you to feel I don't want you
to feel bad.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
I don't want you to feel.

Speaker 5 (13:57):
Like no one wants to help you. You can get hell,
but it's you got to stop blaming one dose of ketamine. See,
you're connecting your anxiety and your symptoms with something that
happened to you.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
Look at Yeah, they gave you ketymine.

Speaker 5 (14:11):
You keep saying it scared the crap out of you,
you were never given it before, blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
Okay, fine, but that doesn't.

Speaker 5 (14:19):
Necessarily mean it caused every negative effect you're having right now.
I mean, I'm just and you know how much I
like you and how much we've worked together, And I
would never, ever, ever I've helped her before, I would
never mislead you on this. You need to see a
neurologist or see normal healthcare providers for your symptoms.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
But here's the problem.

Speaker 5 (14:41):
If you go to them and say, oh, I'm having
these problems because I had a dose of ketamine, They're
gonna think you're nuts. See a lot of times this
is unfortunate. We kind of skew our healthcare based on
our assertations and conclusions, and doctors tend to avoid those
kinds of pay Hold on, I must, I must take

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She said she was cheated in an auto sale. Now
I will say this could happen, could happen? What's going on?

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Mary? Hi?

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Hi, thanks for taking my call.

Speaker 12 (16:07):
I really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, all the.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Called so many TV stations and everybody said they're too busy.

Speaker 1 (16:12):
But no, I don't hold on, hold on.

Speaker 5 (16:14):
If they said they're too busy, I would I would
suspect that they're not too busy, that they're just giving
you the brush off because they don't think you have
a good case. Now I'm going to be honest with
you and tell you what I think of your situation.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
So go ahead, Okay, Well what happened was.

Speaker 13 (16:34):
We went to this Michael Autodale on de Summer thirty first,
twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
And they wait, wait twenty twenty two.

Speaker 13 (16:43):
Yeah, honestly, yeah, we've been dealing with these people for
a long time as well.

Speaker 5 (16:48):
Okay, that alone, that alone is major. So you went
did you buy a car in twenty twenty two in December?

Speaker 10 (16:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (16:56):
Okay, So you bought a used car from Michaels. And
where is Michaels?

Speaker 13 (17:03):
It is on forty three twenty eight East Colfax Avenue
here in Denver.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Oh on East Colfax. Okay, and what happened? What? What
would So you bought a used car? By the way,
what did you buy? Uh?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
We bought alexis what year? It was a twenty fourteen
and it looked gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (17:26):
Lexus And and tell me what how many miles on it?

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Let's see it was I got the paperwork right in
front of me.

Speaker 11 (17:35):
Let me see where is mine?

Speaker 1 (17:37):
Just when you when you bought it?

Speaker 5 (17:38):
Approximately how many miles?

Speaker 2 (17:40):
One hundred and thirty two thousand money.

Speaker 5 (17:42):
Okay, So that means you're going to have something go
wrong with it, because there's no such thing as a
perfect car with one hundred and thirty two thousand. So
did you get the car? And again, I'm not trying
to trick you. I'm doing what these other media people
did not do, and that is go through each detail
and tell you some of the problems you might have.
So did you get the car checked out?

Speaker 8 (18:03):
No?

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Okay, So what happened? Tell your story?

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well, they sold the car for seventeen thousand, four hundred
and ninety six. They sent us, they sold.

Speaker 13 (18:15):
Us a huge warranty and ended up financing us twenty
three thousand and sixty two dollars.

Speaker 5 (18:21):
Okay, So the car was seventeen thousand plus warranty.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
Yes, and it all came out to twenty three thousand.

Speaker 11 (18:31):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Okay. Well you know.

Speaker 5 (18:34):
That that right there was the worst deal you could make,
but you made it.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
There's no one had a gun to your head.

Speaker 5 (18:41):
And by the way, you know YouTube's already saying that
a lot of this is on you.

Speaker 8 (18:47):
Right.

Speaker 5 (18:49):
What kind of dealer is Michael's, is it?

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I don't know? I mean, so are you.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
I'm going to be honest with you, and I'm not
going to tell you I'm too busy. But if you
bought a car and twenty twenty two, first of all,
you're beyond the statute limitations for anything.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
You can't go back after this dealer.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
You bought it with one hundred and thirty two thousand
miles on it. You bought it as it. Oh no, no,
you had a warranty. What kind of so then, so
you financed twenty three thousand. Do you still have this car?

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Yeah, it's sitting here just like it's been now.

Speaker 5 (19:23):
Is the problem you can't get them to fix it
under warranty that you bought.

Speaker 13 (19:30):
Well, that's one of the problems. But what happened was,
I mean it got it got pretty dirty because what
happened was they apparently sold the car by clearing the codes.
Because when we brought it home, like a day or
two after we brought it home, the check engine came
on and we're like, oh, there's something wrong with the car.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
They're like, hey, yeah, it's fine. You know, we'll fix it.

Speaker 13 (19:54):
You know, any problems you have, you know, you've got
to warranty. Blah blah blah, so we went ahead and.

Speaker 11 (20:00):
Gave it to them, and.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
They gave us a longer car, and they're like, oh.

Speaker 13 (20:04):
We're taking it to Toyota Automation.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
It's getting looked at. Oh, we're going to fix it.
They kept telling us, we're going to fix it.

Speaker 13 (20:10):
Oh, don't worry, we're going to fix it until a
certain time period lapsed where you know, they.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
Didn't have to fix it anymore, or something.

Speaker 1 (20:19):
Like that or whatever.

Speaker 5 (20:20):
Well, I don't even know what you're talking about, Like
what was wrong with the car. You didn't tell me
that part you said the engine light.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
Went on, But yeah, and they sold us the car.

Speaker 13 (20:28):
So the car had a bad engine, and they apparently
knew it, and they went ahead and sold it to us.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Cleared the code so that we would buy it, and
made it look good on the outside. We bought the car.

Speaker 5 (20:37):
We thought it was so Mary, hold on, Mary, I
don't like that, by the way, And you're right, that's
dirty dealing, is what they did. If they knew it
had a bad engine and they sold it to you,
that that's not cool. However, it's also probably not illegal.
They can sell a car in any condition they want,

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as long as it's not unsafe, they can say. And
even if it's unsafe, all they have to do is
make it safe. The only two things they have to
do is it has to be roadworthy and that's very
bare minimum, and it has to pass emissions.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
After that, everything is on you.

Speaker 5 (21:13):
But what I don't understand is the car you said
had a bad engine.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Did you replace the engine or not?

Speaker 2 (21:22):
They said they were going to replace it, but.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Oh really, so they offered under that warranty to replace
the engine?

Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yes, did they do it?

Speaker 11 (21:33):
No?

Speaker 1 (21:33):
Why?

Speaker 9 (21:36):
I don't know?

Speaker 5 (21:37):
I mean why, I mean, if you have a warranty
and the engine is bad, why didn't they replace it?
Usually used car warranties won't fix pre existing conditions. Did
they give you a reason they won't fix it? Now?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
They said that they fixed it, but they didn't because
we still still have problems with it.

Speaker 1 (21:55):
Did they say they replaced the engine?

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Yes, they actually so that they replaced the engine. But
it's kind of a little bit crazy because for six.

Speaker 13 (22:07):
Months they had a car sitting with them and they
never fixed anything.

Speaker 5 (22:12):
Yeah, but right now, I can't go back in time
like that. But what I can do is this, You've
had it since December of twenty twenty two till now.

Speaker 1 (22:21):
How many miles were you able to get out of
this car? How many miles did you put on it?

Speaker 8 (22:29):
I can both look at it.

Speaker 5 (22:31):
Just roughly roughly, I mean, did you get any use
out of it? Or has it been down the whole time?

Speaker 13 (22:37):
We finally, in December of last year, they had us
take it to a mechanic to get it to actually
turn on.

Speaker 11 (22:46):
Okay, turning on literally?

Speaker 8 (22:50):
So yeah, the whole year.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
The whole year, it's sat until December of last year.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
And uh so, wait a minute.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
You never drove it for the entire twenty twenty three
until December. You took it into a shop, so you
put zero miles on it from the time you bought
it till the time you took it into a.

Speaker 1 (23:08):
Mechanic a year later.

Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, okay, so then you take it into so it
sat for a year.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
Where did it sit for that year?

Speaker 2 (23:19):
Six months? It sat with them in their lot apparently,
or went to wherever they said they took it, and
they never didn't work on it. And while they gave
us a loaner to pacify us and make it.

Speaker 5 (23:29):
Wait a minute, so hold on, hold on, So you
did have a loaner for all of twenty twenty three.

Speaker 2 (23:36):
No, only for six months.

Speaker 5 (23:38):
Okay, okay, for six months. Then after six months?

Speaker 13 (23:42):
What happened after six months? They said it was June
last year. They said, bring us our loaner back or
we'll call the police.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
And did they say your car was done?

Speaker 2 (23:57):
No, they towed our car in front of our house
and sat it there.

Speaker 5 (24:01):
All right, hold on, we'll come right back to this.
This is this is this is the most ridiculous story
I've ever heard. But Mary, I'm gonna warn you these
people may have screwed you legally. I mean legally. I
don't know what you can do. We're gonna have to
analyze it. Hold on, I'm serious. We have some hard
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twenty two. Hi, I'm Tom Martino. You're a troubleshooter. I
want to go back to Mary. Listen, Mary, I'm gonna

(25:11):
tell you something. Okay, I don't doubt I don't doubt
that there are car dealers that pull shenanigans all the time. Okay,
I don't even know what that means. Pull shnangan me.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (25:23):
They do, They do tricks and scams. While I'm not
sure what this was. I mean, I doubt they didn't
know about the car. They probably knew the car was
what it was. They got too much for the car,
they found someone willing.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
To buy it.

Speaker 5 (25:35):
You got screwed, Okay, I don't doubt it. But there's
nothing you can but you bought it as is. And
here's the thing. You have a warranty. You can you know,
you can try to get them to if it's covered
under the warranty, you know, get them to fix it.
But right now, I'm not sure exactly what you want.

(25:56):
Are you trying to get a refund that won't happen?
What are you trying to do because you've done so
many things wrong.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
When you bought this car. I get you.

Speaker 5 (26:06):
Even though people do things wrong, Mary, it would be
a wonderful world if people didn't get screwed because they're
ignorant and I mean ignorant of buying cars. There are
a lot of people that don't know how to buy cars.
But what I want to know is this, Okay, what
are you calling about? What do you want?

Speaker 13 (26:24):
I want them to get shut down because we're not
the only people that they've done this too, and there's
people that.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
Did How do you know that there's people.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
That did reviews on their website about how they got
screwed over. And even my neighbor across the street, she
told me that they sold them as a car and
they were.

Speaker 13 (26:39):
Out three thousand dollars cash because the car was no
good when they brought it home.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
She says, she knows exactly what I'm talking about.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Why do you think none of these people are getting
these cars checked out?

Speaker 2 (26:51):
I don't know. Probably because they're desperate, or they don't
know how to.

Speaker 5 (26:55):
Do it, or right, You're right, Mary, You're absolutely right.
Will it cost to get your car running?

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Do you know.

Speaker 13 (27:04):
Alexis said it would be fifteen thousand dollars to fix
everything that's wrong with it.

Speaker 5 (27:09):
That's what the dealer said. Did you take it to
anybody else to see? Uh?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Yeah, I did take it to Bill Krestmore Automotive.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
What did he tell you?

Speaker 2 (27:23):
Let me see, I got an email just roughly.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
I mean, does it need an engine still?

Speaker 2 (27:30):
He said that, yeah, I mean it does. Yeah, unfortunately,
so that's that's not a good thing.

Speaker 13 (27:37):
He said that that they have to do an official
diagnostic on the engine and all this kind of k
so I think.

Speaker 11 (27:46):
That could see.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
Okay, Bo, will you call this dealer? I just want
to call it Tom.

Speaker 14 (27:53):
I was thinking, Mary, Yes, the warranty is transferable. Why
don't you take your warranty to a now their dealers?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Well, I don't know what kind of warranty. She could
have gotten, a crap warranty. We don't even know.

Speaker 5 (28:04):
Hold on, all right, Bo, talk to the dealer and
talk to the dealer during the show. Let's let's see
if we can get a comment.

Speaker 14 (28:10):
When I get the number, Ill called her in this sh.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's do that. Bill. What's going on
with you?

Speaker 15 (28:15):
Bill?

Speaker 1 (28:15):
Welcome to the show. What's happening.

Speaker 16 (28:19):
Hey, guys, I got called to do some bathroom repair
at the business downtown and it appears that the water
is coming from a park that's right next door that's
owned by the city Raised planners.

Speaker 5 (28:33):
The Raised planner, Well, so the bath repairs was for
leaky water or what for water coming in?

Speaker 16 (28:40):
There's water damage. I attached some photos in an email earlier.

Speaker 1 (28:45):
And is it a business you're working on right in downtown?

Speaker 16 (28:52):
Yeah, downtown, I.

Speaker 5 (28:52):
Said, okay, And you say it's coming in from the city.
Did you notify them her?

Speaker 16 (29:00):
And she said she's been in contact with the city
and they've said that it's not coming.

Speaker 8 (29:05):
From the park.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
And you're sure it is.

Speaker 16 (29:10):
Right If you look at the photos, it's like it.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Yeah, I'm gonna look at them during the break.

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Speaker 1 (29:57):
Copy Tom Martino, you're troubleshooter. Let's go back to the phones.
It's important, Bill. I looked at this. The one thing
I see.

Speaker 5 (30:05):
I see a lot of water damage, and it's a
DoD They own this building or do they rent it?

Speaker 16 (30:13):
I believe they own it, and you're.

Speaker 5 (30:15):
Doing work for them, and the city refuses to acknowledge
the water intrusion.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Is that right?

Speaker 8 (30:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (30:23):
What do they base it on?

Speaker 16 (30:26):
I don't know they the owner had been in contact
with them. So what I'm telling you is.

Speaker 5 (30:31):
Just I need to get their contact at the city.
But here's the problem. Those photos you show don't show
a park. Are you talking about that little grass area
outside of their building?

Speaker 16 (30:43):
So what they have adjacent to that wall where the
bathrooms are is a open air park. But up against
the wall are two planners that extend out about twelve
feet and they arch around.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
And who owns those planters all.

Speaker 16 (31:01):
The city of the city of Lamar.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's Lamar.

Speaker 16 (31:04):
What they do, yeah, what they used for keeping the
water out? It looks like, well it is, it's a
ice and water.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
I mean you just said Lamar, didn't you say it downtown?
So it's downtown.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Lamar, Yes, sir, Okay, Lamar, Okay, okay. And the water
is coming from a city park. Okay.

Speaker 5 (31:28):
I don't see that in the picture. That's the problem.
But I'm not doubting you. If you're there, and you'd
have no reason not to tell the truth here, we
probably need to document it. They probably need to get
an engineer to fight Lamar. I don't mind contacting Lamar.
But Lamar is going to say no, And what do
we have to fight it?

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Your opinion? Right?

Speaker 8 (31:49):
Right?

Speaker 16 (31:49):
And but so my question is, if if you own
a building that's adjacent to my building, can you burn
dirt up again about two feet tall?

Speaker 5 (32:02):
Probably not? I mean, you know that's weird. So no,
I don't think I can just go and put dirt
up against your your siding and rotted out with water
and sprinklers. No, I don't think you can. I mean,
this is what's so strange about it? Why are they
being such jerks?

Speaker 8 (32:21):
Right? So I reached out to the park.

Speaker 16 (32:23):
And wrec director. I've yeah, sent an email and I'm
gonna I'm gonna visit with him and just say, hey,
we want to fix these bathrooms. But I can't fix
the bathrooms until we stopped the wall.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
Unless the guy's a complete moron.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
So you're saying those planters belong to the city, Yes, And.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
They literally piled hold on. They literally piled.

Speaker 5 (32:43):
Dirt up against that guy's building and put a wall
around it and made a planter.

Speaker 8 (32:49):
When you get it.

Speaker 16 (32:50):
Back up, they used a piece of ice and water shield.
They rolled it from the dirt up and if you
know what ice and water shield is.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
No, I know they thought that would shield it from
the water.

Speaker 5 (33:01):
I get it. But so we need to get a
professional opinion. I mean, your a professional opinion. I mean,
this is ridiculous. This is absolutely ridiculous. You can tell
them that you were in touch with me. Tell them,
you know what, the the immunity laws do not apply.
Once they know there's a condition like this and they
refuse to fix it. Tell them that specifically, Okay, there's

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governmental immunity for the maintenance of city property.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
So he's going to tell.

Speaker 5 (33:33):
You, well, we're immune from all of that. They're not not.
If they know about a condition and they ignore it,
call me back Bill, Okay, after you talk to them.
I'm Tom Martino. This is ridiculous. Three three seven to
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Speaker 1 (35:12):
Here we are helping.

Speaker 5 (35:13):
People solve problems, answering questions, taking complaints, sometimes telling people
we can't help them, especially this this this repeating problem.

Speaker 1 (35:22):
Guys. Everyone knows that.

Speaker 5 (35:24):
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And that is when you have a situation where you

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buy a used car and it goes to hell in
a hand basket. As they say nothing you can do
about it. I mean there are rare circumstances.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You can do something about it.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
Rare if someone directly lies to you and you can
prove it. You want to go through the fraud allegation
blah blah blah. Most of the time you buy something
as is or under a limited warranty, and that warranty sucks.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
There's not much you can do about it.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Get these cars checked out. I don't care where you
buy them. Get them checked out independently.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Karen, Hi, what's going on with you? Karen? Welcome to
the show.

Speaker 5 (36:19):
I'm Tom Martine him.

Speaker 17 (36:24):
I was hoping you could help.

Speaker 11 (36:26):
Me because.

Speaker 17 (36:29):
Signed like a general contract and I've been listening.

Speaker 5 (36:36):
To your show and now you signed a contract to
have work done.

Speaker 17 (36:43):
Well as an estimate. I mean it was like it said,
you know, I had a flood in my condo, and
it's so the flood happened in May.

Speaker 5 (36:55):
Okay, so the flood happened in May, and and did
you was this your fault?

Speaker 1 (37:01):
I mean, did your insurance cover it? Or was it
the HA or what.

Speaker 17 (37:07):
My insurance covered it? But they said I did not
have to use this contractor.

Speaker 5 (37:15):
Well, okay, then why did you use this contractor I
never did?

Speaker 17 (37:20):
I never did I who did you use?

Speaker 8 (37:26):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (37:27):
Wait wait wait wait now hold on, now I'm confused.

Speaker 5 (37:29):
You said you didn't use him. You canceled with him.
So you did sign with him and then cancel.

Speaker 17 (37:36):
Yeah, but it was like one of those general like
estimate saytans, like there was no detail on there.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
But okay, it was was it, Karen, Was it a contract?

Speaker 17 (37:53):
It was like a general one.

Speaker 1 (37:55):
Well, it doesn't matter if.

Speaker 17 (37:57):
There was one specific There are no specific details on it.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
There doesn't have to be. There doesn't have to be.

Speaker 5 (38:03):
I mean, now it would be stupid to sign a
contract like that.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
But a contract only has to have do I've learned that.

Speaker 5 (38:11):
Now a contractor a contract only has to have a
price and acceptance, a general scope of work or what
they're going to do, promise and whatever I mean, And
then signatures.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Did he sign it?

Speaker 17 (38:28):
I don't, probably, But the thing is is.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
When did you sign the contract with them?

Speaker 5 (38:33):
Let's just let's just talk about the contract, okay, because
it's not going to go away because you don't want
it there.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
When did you sign the contract?

Speaker 17 (38:42):
Probably in May when the flood happened.

Speaker 7 (38:46):
And I was like, look, and who did you sign?

Speaker 1 (38:49):
What is his name?

Speaker 5 (38:50):
Sign a contract with who?

Speaker 17 (38:53):
Brian from Spectrum Wood Floors? Okay, colrad okay.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
So Spectrum Wood Floors.

Speaker 5 (39:03):
And then use how did you find them?

Speaker 17 (39:09):
I just think of internet search or okay.

Speaker 5 (39:11):
And then you said you talked to your insurance They
said you don't have to use them. Well, your insurance
doesn't know squat about this your insurance. Did your insurance
know you signed a contract?

Speaker 17 (39:24):
Probably not?

Speaker 5 (39:25):
Okay, So let's get to the right. Let's get to
the meat of the heart of the matter. You tried
to cancel with him. What does that mean?

Speaker 11 (39:34):
Okay?

Speaker 17 (39:34):
So when I saw, you know, he he only came
once to my condo and there was no you know communication.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Did you pay him anything?

Speaker 11 (39:50):
No?

Speaker 17 (39:50):
I never paid him anything. But on this lean that
he filed, he said he delivered materials to my condo
and I never even picked out Well, that.

Speaker 5 (40:00):
Would be the only way he could file and lean.
But Karen, I want you to.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Back up a little bit.

Speaker 2 (40:05):
That's a lie.

Speaker 5 (40:06):
How Okay, you signed the contract, you had buyer's remorse,
and you canceled.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
When how long after you signed it did you cancel?

Speaker 17 (40:19):
Probably like October October?

Speaker 5 (40:25):
It was so wait wait June, July, August, September, October,
five months later you canceled. What happened to the damage
during that five months?

Speaker 11 (40:39):
Nothing?

Speaker 15 (40:40):
Wait?

Speaker 5 (40:40):
So you didn't have it repaired or mitigated or temporary
or anything?

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Nothing done? No, you didn't have anyone else work on it?

Speaker 16 (40:50):
No?

Speaker 5 (40:52):
Okay, why did you wait? Why did you wait five months?

Speaker 17 (40:58):
Well, so I have us a a insurance and I
don't know that's I thought he was working on it.

Speaker 11 (41:07):
I wasn't.

Speaker 5 (41:07):
Okay, I got it, So, Karen, I get it.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (41:10):
So, Karen, when when you signed a contract with him
in May and then canceled in October?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
How did you cancel? Did you write him a letter?

Speaker 15 (41:22):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (41:22):
I e an email? Email?

Speaker 18 (41:24):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (41:25):
Okay, so you wrote and what did you say to him?
What did you say to.

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Him in the email?

Speaker 19 (41:31):
I said.

Speaker 17 (41:33):
I wanted to go with a different.

Speaker 7 (41:36):
Contractor did you give a reason?

Speaker 17 (41:43):
Well, I didn't think it was. Anything was done in
a timely matter, and he never even sent me an estimate.
And when he sent the estimate, he told the insurance
company he was putting in real wood floors, and he
had told me he was putting in you know, those
laminet floors.

Speaker 5 (42:01):
Okay, listen, Karen, don't pick. You're trying to pick apart
stuff that's not going to matter. So that's all I'm
telling you. If you really want to do this, you
got to do it with real ammunition, real bullets.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
I mean.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
So here's what I need to know. What was he
doing for five months? Well, he never called you once.

Speaker 17 (42:23):
There might have been a little communication, Like he said,
he was just working with the insurance company.

Speaker 1 (42:28):
But okay, and what did he claim he delivered to
your home.

Speaker 17 (42:34):
Materials?

Speaker 1 (42:36):
What material product?

Speaker 5 (42:38):
Yeah, like good.

Speaker 17 (42:39):
Flooring or whatever, which yeah, I never picked out any.

Speaker 5 (42:43):
So nothing was ever hold on, nothing was ever delivered
to your home.

Speaker 11 (42:48):
No.

Speaker 5 (42:49):
The reason he said that is because in order to
do a lean there has to be work or product.

Speaker 1 (42:57):
Right, So he's lying. Yes, he is flat out.

Speaker 11 (43:02):
Lying yes, yes.

Speaker 5 (43:07):
Okay, So who repaired the place? Did you get it repaired?

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Since?

Speaker 11 (43:13):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (43:13):
I have, Now this was May of twenty twenty two three,
I mean yes, okay, so.

Speaker 5 (43:25):
You since had it repaired? When did he finally put
the lien on the house?

Speaker 17 (43:32):
Walked October seventeenth, twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Right after you canceled?

Speaker 11 (43:39):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (43:41):
When did you hire the new.

Speaker 17 (43:42):
Company over Thanksgiving?

Speaker 5 (43:47):
Okay, Now, here's what's going to happen.

Speaker 1 (43:56):
The lien will do you no harm unless this guy tries.

Speaker 5 (43:59):
To well wait a minute. First of all, he can't
even put a lien. If he didn't, the job will okay, wait, wait, okay,
here's what's going to happen. You can sit there and
nothing will happen with this lean, and it'll go away
unless he forecloses. Has he made any noise? Is he

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taking you to court? No? He said, Okay, hold on.
If he put a lien on your place in October
and hasn't done anything since the lean's going away, the
lean doesn't stay on there.

Speaker 19 (44:43):
Well, I would.

Speaker 17 (44:43):
Try to go do a release of lean because it's fraud.
And they said it doesn't go away till he takes
it off of there.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
Well, that's not true.

Speaker 5 (44:55):
It has no teeth. It has no teeth. He can't close.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
On it, right, Yeah, I'm not worried.

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Why do you want to do it? Why do you
want to do a Why do you want to do
a release?

Speaker 17 (45:09):
Because I want the lean off so I can sell
my condo if I want to move, okay. And they
said it's not going to go away unless he removes it.

Speaker 5 (45:17):
That's for a release. But you can do a quiet
title action.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Quiet Yeah.

Speaker 5 (45:25):
Why don't you hold on? And we're going to get
our real estate. I want to get our real estate
attorney on okay?

Speaker 7 (45:31):
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Hang on three.

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I'm working on it.

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A quiet title action. Thank you.

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Speaker 1 (49:58):
On right now? I want to go right to him
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just say, is correct for what you know. Let's take

(50:23):
Karen out her word. She hired a guy, she canceled.
He put a lien on the house because she never
let him get started.

Speaker 1 (50:30):
He claimed he delivered materials.

Speaker 5 (50:32):
He never did. But here's the point. She probably was
wrong how she canceled. But the truth is he never
delivered anything. He never started work. He just put a
lien on there. So Karen, how much is the lean for?

Speaker 17 (50:50):
Like almost five thousand dollars?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
All right? So he put it on in October? All right?

Speaker 5 (50:56):
He put it the lean on in October of twenty
twenty three and has not done anything. Now, Brad, I
was always told if someone doesn't try to perfect the
lian that in effect they lose their right to do.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
So, is that right, Brad?

Speaker 11 (51:10):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (51:12):
How long does it take for it to expire?

Speaker 21 (51:14):
So to speak, Well, a contractor has four months after
their last substantial work to reporting notice a recording statement
of mechanics lean, and then after that they have a
total of six months after the last work or after
the project was done to start a lawsuit to foreclose.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
On that lien.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
So November December, January, February, March, April. Okay, so he
lost his right now to perfect it. So now what happens?
It's still there and it's giving your trouble. When she's
going to list it, they're telling her, well, you.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Got to get that lean taken off. Now.

Speaker 5 (51:46):
I had this happen once with me, where a lien
was bogus and I showed that I had paid for
something and the contractor hadn't but I had, and it
was it was bogus, and I was going to sell
my house, and I remember at the time, I think
I had someone do what was called the quiet title

(52:07):
action or something. I'm not sure, Brett Brat, what would
be a strategy to get it off of there?

Speaker 21 (52:15):
Well, if it's expired as a matter of law, because
they waited too long to perfect it. Then I would
normally start with a demand letter to the contractor demanding
that they record a release of their line because it's
no good. If they won't do that, then you have
to go to court and have the court officially extinguish
the clean as a record title.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
Is that really involved? Is that what they call it?
Quiet title action or not?

Speaker 8 (52:40):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (52:40):
It is?

Speaker 5 (52:41):
And how just dollars and cents? What does it cost
her to get this done? If she needs to take
the guy to court?

Speaker 21 (52:49):
It could be at least three five grand for starters,
even if you get a default judgment and there's no
contest in the court. But if the guy wants to
contest it to.

Speaker 8 (52:59):
Be north of that?

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Can you get attorneys fees if it's bogush.

Speaker 21 (53:05):
Only if you have a written contract that has a
prevailing party attorney feed.

Speaker 5 (53:09):
Provision, So somebody can just clutter up your sale and
cost you even if it's not a legit lean.

Speaker 21 (53:19):
Yeah, that's why a lot of contractors requardlans even though
they know they're not no good as a matter of law,
because they know the title companies will not let any
transaction close.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
With him on there even after it expired.

Speaker 8 (53:32):
That's right.

Speaker 21 (53:33):
Title companies they get practically speaking, even though they know
it's not possibly a good lean because they waited to me,
that contractor waited too long, the title company still insists
on the getting released.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
What a terrible, terrible thing.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
You would think that it would automatically be drop off
now now brat another question. Then, is there a way
to bond around it? I've heard of that expression.

Speaker 21 (53:57):
Yes, the harmowner can or either side can go well,
normally it's the homeowner and start a court action. It's
an expedited action where you open a court case to
bond over the lean, and you normally post one hundred
and fifty percent of the claimed amount with the court.
That can be cash, or it can be a bond
that you purchase somewhere per cents on the dollar, and

(54:21):
then the mechanic or the contractor then proceeds against the bond,
not against the house.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
If he's ever going to proceed, but right if he
never proceeds.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
You just lose the premium, that's right.

Speaker 5 (54:37):
So on a five thousand dollars as I remember, sometimes,
depending on the quality of the lean, it could be
as little as five or ten percent to bond around it.
So she might have to pay five hundred bucks to
bond around it.

Speaker 21 (54:52):
But I think there are at least a couple of grand
regardless of one really writing. Yeah, there's underwriting involved.

Speaker 5 (54:59):
Oh, things have changed a lot. I remember bond Okay.
I thought bonds were just a percentage based on the
quality of the lean. But there's a minimum amounts Okay, okay,
I get it.

Speaker 1 (55:13):
So, Karen, it's pain.

Speaker 17 (55:15):
I would never get that back. I would never get.

Speaker 5 (55:18):
Well, no, no, no, Now if they proceeded, yeah that
if you buy a bond, No, the bond is for
your protection.

Speaker 1 (55:23):
You don't get it back.

Speaker 5 (55:24):
If you post the money one hundred and fifty percent,
you're looking at posting seventy five hundred bucks. And and Brad,
how long would that have to be posted?

Speaker 11 (55:35):
Uh?

Speaker 21 (55:37):
Definitely. So the way to cut that off is to
use that same court action to get a quiet titled
decree from the court decreeing that the lian is no good.
Then the bone can be released.

Speaker 5 (55:50):
So you put up the bonds that you can sell
the damn place and then go for a quiet title
action after that, well, at that point it's.

Speaker 21 (55:59):
No longer que title action.

Speaker 11 (56:00):
If you post it on.

Speaker 8 (56:01):
It's just a court decree that and with that.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
Still costs Okay, so she puts up seventy five hundred
and goes for a court decree, with that still cost
her in legal fees about fifteen hundred or two thousand bucks.

Speaker 21 (56:14):
O a lot more.

Speaker 5 (56:16):
Whoa my god? Oh so that at these at.

Speaker 21 (56:21):
Least five grand, even if the guy never shows up
and contested.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Why is it so much?

Speaker 21 (56:27):
There's a lot of steps to do in the court.
The court is not cheap o.

Speaker 5 (56:32):
Case, and neither are attorneys, and as well they shouldn't be.
I guess if they're working for this now, I want
to know this. Then if someone buys it, well no, no,
nobody's going to lend on it, even with an old
lean right, Why is it if they know that it
legally can't be perfected, why are they so skittish about it?

Speaker 21 (56:54):
You have to ask the titled company. That's just what
they do.

Speaker 8 (56:58):
They all do it because they all so.

Speaker 5 (57:02):
The expiration means nothing as far as trying to sell
a house.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
It still gunks up the title.

Speaker 8 (57:08):
Right.

Speaker 5 (57:09):
You know Karen, what I would do, and I Brad'll say, Tom,
stop practicing law. You don't know what you're talking about.
But I'll tell you what I would do. I would
sue this guy for the amount for five grand in
small claims court, and I would claim that I got
an estimate from an attorney, and I would get an

(57:31):
estimate for a quiet title action that will almost assuredly
extinguish this lean. Will cost you five thousand dollars and
the only reason you have to pay it is because
this guy refuses to remove it. That's after I ask
him to remove it. So I would write I would
have Brad O'Brien or attorney write a letter asking him

(57:53):
to remove it, and if he doesn't remove it in
a certain amount of time, I would sue him, where
I would in small claims court for the anticipated cost
of having it removed.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Brad, is that stupid advice?

Speaker 11 (58:08):
Well, the idea is that you're calling the attorney.

Speaker 21 (58:10):
Fees damages and so you're pursuing those damages directly.

Speaker 5 (58:13):
Right.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
Is that wrong?

Speaker 11 (58:16):
Well?

Speaker 21 (58:17):
Not the normally, Normally you recover you try to recover
attorney fees after you win on the underlying claim.

Speaker 5 (58:23):
Yeah, but I would say I'm trying to sell the
house and I have to or or I would sue
for the amount of the bond seventy five hundred or
not the bond, but the posting. Say say, listen, man,
I have to put up seventy five hundred and the
only reason I have to do it is because this
clown refuses to remove it after you've asked them then

(58:45):
and otherwise I would.

Speaker 1 (58:47):
Never have to put this up.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
And it's an expired lean, so it's basically punitive and
I want that damage. That's no, that's even better than
attorney's fee. I you're right, because if you didn't spend
the attorney's fees yet, how do you do that? But
if you have to put up seventy five hundred for
a bond, not a bond for a post for a security,
I would definitely go after this guy. But first have

(59:10):
Brad write them a letter. Brad, have you ever written
these letters before? Oh?

Speaker 21 (59:15):
Yeah, it makes it's a lot of sense because it's
it's a lot cheaper to write a letter than to
go to court and.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
Do these letters work sometimes sure, because you tell the guy, look,
it's impossible for you to foreclose right now, please remove
it or we're taking legal action.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Okay, thank you very much, Brad.

Speaker 5 (59:34):
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Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
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(01:00:33):
eight two five five.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Okay, I have Sharon who.

Speaker 5 (01:00:40):
Has a follow up with a fence issue working with
bo Is bo there.

Speaker 1 (01:00:44):
Can he talk about it?

Speaker 22 (01:00:45):
Yes, I'm here, Tom, uh, Well, let me bring up
her call and the fence issue as I remember, let
me see, let me get it here.

Speaker 14 (01:00:57):
It was from August sixteenth, twelve o'clock hour when she
initially called.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Okay, God, why don't you start on it. I'll find
the call.

Speaker 14 (01:01:07):
Yes, Sharon called about a contractor Raoul, right, Raoul Missoula.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
And it wasn't.

Speaker 5 (01:01:15):
Amazella Amazella was it. I'm trying to get the proper.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
Name, Poorous Exteriors.

Speaker 14 (01:01:22):
And the person that did the work was Raul Missoula.
Did I pronounce it right? Sharon?

Speaker 10 (01:01:29):
Oh, it's Amazola.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Okay, that's what I thought, Azoula. Okay, so go ahead.

Speaker 14 (01:01:34):
Basically, Sharon and her neighbor paid this Raul money. I
think it was seven hundred dollars one time in twelve
hundred on a second payment to get a fence done,
and they just never came back to complete the job.
I tried to contact Raoul several times. I even called

(01:01:56):
poising as a customer to get him to at least
call me back. There was no phone call. I even
went out to.

Speaker 5 (01:02:05):
His Wait a minute. So he's got paid for stuff
he didn't do.

Speaker 14 (01:02:09):
I think three checks, right, Sharon?

Speaker 10 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I mean initially I wrote a check for twelve
twenty five my names.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
But you got zero. You got nothing done?

Speaker 7 (01:02:18):
Yeah, we got nothing, no materials, know nothing nothing, and
you paid another check for seven hundred right to him.

Speaker 8 (01:02:26):
First.

Speaker 7 (01:02:27):
Between the two of us were into him for three
and ninety.

Speaker 5 (01:02:29):
Dollars, but you have to separate them for small claims
court or for.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
For going after him.

Speaker 10 (01:02:36):
So well, I talked to Bo directed me to call
the Denver District Attorney's officers.

Speaker 5 (01:02:42):
Right because of the Contractor's Trust Act.

Speaker 10 (01:02:47):
Yeah, And she actually said that because it was one job,
it was a fence between our houses.

Speaker 5 (01:02:55):
Oh, I get okay. I didn't realize that you're right,
it's one job.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
You're right, yep. Are they doing anything about it?

Speaker 11 (01:03:05):
Well?

Speaker 10 (01:03:06):
She she sent me the form that I can fill
out a complaint, and she asked, she kind of directed
me what types of paperwork I would want to include
any kind of proof that I have, And I have
all the canceled checks, all of the you know, text
messages back and forth. Most of what occurred between the
two of us, I made sure was in writing on
text messages and email and that kind of thing. So

(01:03:27):
I've got plenty of documentation. But after all of this happened,
and after a month of not hearing, you know, not
him not returning phone calls anymore, he had an excuse
after excuse. There are a lot of text messages back
and forth, and then eventually he just quit returning calls
and that kind of thing. I got online, started doing
some research and found at least that I know of four,

(01:03:50):
maybe five companies under the names that these people. This,
this woman, Andrea Porus always is listed as the owner
of the company by Raoul is the only person I've
ever worked with.

Speaker 11 (01:04:03):
Now.

Speaker 10 (01:04:03):
Last year, when they built the fence for me, it
was under dex and More.

Speaker 11 (01:04:07):
That was the company name. This year it's Porus Exteriors.

Speaker 10 (01:04:11):
I found one judgment against them in Douglas County, and
that's ABR Construction Services. And then I saw another name
of a company called Affordable Decks LLC.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Oh my god, So these people are Sleeves. Now, can
you send us that information?

Speaker 7 (01:04:30):
Yeah, yeah, I don't send you anything it needs No.

Speaker 5 (01:04:33):
I want to say, I want you to send me
all that research you did. I'm gonna I'm going to
go after them and put them on the Sleeves Brigade.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
For sure.

Speaker 8 (01:04:40):
You didn't.

Speaker 5 (01:04:41):
You don't have any pictures of this guy or where
we can find one, do you of rail or of Poris?

Speaker 11 (01:04:47):
No?

Speaker 10 (01:04:47):
And here's the thing about Andrea. I may have briefly
seen her one time last year when they built my fence,
and they did a beautiful job on the fence that
they built last year. But she's she is under she's
in some kind of a protection type program. There was
an incident unrelated to this that occurred with them last summer.
And I don't even have a physical address for her.

(01:05:09):
Of course, Raoul not living at the physical address I
had for him either, But her mail is even run
through a clearing house through the state of Colorado. She's what,
there's no physical address?

Speaker 12 (01:05:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (01:05:21):
What is this some sort of witness protection?

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
That's what it sounds like.

Speaker 14 (01:05:25):
We can't touch.

Speaker 10 (01:05:26):
Yeah, it's used for people who are like victims of
domestic violence.

Speaker 5 (01:05:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
We don't want to. We don't want to.

Speaker 5 (01:05:32):
Yeah, we don't want to make her more of a
victim by by outing her stars where she is.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
But oh my god, but she's screwing people.

Speaker 7 (01:05:40):
Physical Yeah, so so that you can't I mean, I
don't even know how you would serve her because there's
no address for her, the listed the listed address for She.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
Found the perfect scam, didn't she now that she's in
some kind of protection she's outscrewing others.

Speaker 8 (01:05:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (01:05:57):
Now, now the the the judgment I found against them
and Douglas County is from twenty twenty two.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
And Raoul, have you been able to locate this guy?
I haven't.

Speaker 14 (01:06:11):
Tom actually went to his place of residence yesterday and knocked.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
On the door. Oh no, fool and wow.

Speaker 14 (01:06:18):
And there was no answer. So when I was starting
to leave the he was in an apartment two to one,
and a lady came out in the basement apartment and
said he moved.

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
Out suddenly in May.

Speaker 14 (01:06:30):
And she told me that they're always police and office.

Speaker 5 (01:06:34):
Hold on, now, is his name spelled Sharon am a
z u l o.

Speaker 4 (01:06:41):
No, it's am.

Speaker 10 (01:06:43):
Z o l a Amazola.

Speaker 1 (01:06:47):
Raoul am z La. Thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:06:53):
Now I'm going to look for this guy too. Meanwhile,
people be warned. I got to take this break. Sharon, please, uh,
Kashina give her the email at helps so she can
send that to us. I need to get that information
for the sleeves for GAD. I'm Tom Martino more coming up.
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(01:07:48):
your troubleshooter. Three O three seven one three talk three
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let's talk to Ed Ed. You have a question on
a home title.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
What is it?

Speaker 8 (01:08:04):
Hi? Tom?

Speaker 18 (01:08:04):
Hey, good afternoon. Yes, sir paid my house off recently.
I paid my house off recently, and I was expecting
some sort of document to say, hey, congratulations, you downright
own this home. But I'm told you get nothing to
show your ownership that shift your home is free and clear.

Speaker 15 (01:08:22):
Is that correct?

Speaker 18 (01:08:22):
Should I be expecting something? Is there anything that tells
me this m belongs to it?

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
Yes? Yes there is.

Speaker 5 (01:08:30):
You get a release of deed of trust that's filed
with the county and they send you a copy. Okay,
well that's your that's it. That's a release of deed
of trust. Did you also get the promisory note? They
usually send you the paid off promisory note.

Speaker 8 (01:08:50):
I'll have to look for that and see.

Speaker 1 (01:08:52):
Uh, it's not necessary.

Speaker 5 (01:08:55):
It's not necessary if you got the release of deed
of trust.

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
But okay.

Speaker 5 (01:09:02):
Usually usually they record a release of deed of trust
and they send you the original note mark paid in
full or a copy of it, mark paid in full.

Speaker 18 (01:09:16):
Now all these commercials about home titles and things like that,
now that it's free and clarigo, I have to worry
about that or is that even more of a concern.

Speaker 5 (01:09:26):
You always have to worry about people trying to pull
some scams. But I'll go if you want a listener,
hang on, I'll go over why you don't need title
lock or anything like that. I'm Tom Martinez. We have
more coming up on the Troubleshooter Show. Go with a

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Speaker 1 (01:12:06):
Steve, what's going on?

Speaker 8 (01:12:09):
Hey?

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
Yeah, I was happening Steve.

Speaker 8 (01:12:13):
It's been a while since I've talked to you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
Now when we talked last.

Speaker 8 (01:12:19):
Well, I own a remodeling company. Used to be on
your list.

Speaker 5 (01:12:24):
Oh really cool. What's going on now? What was the
what do you have the remodeling anymore?

Speaker 8 (01:12:30):
Yes? I do?

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
Okay, So what's happening.

Speaker 8 (01:12:34):
It's well, I was on my way home. Car was
stopped and I stopped behind it, and the truck behind
me did not stop.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
Okay, so you were, as they say, you're rear ended.

Speaker 8 (01:12:51):
I was rear ended and it did drive me into
the car in front of me. Okay, he admitted he
miss everything, and the insurance company takes on the responsibility.
But I'm kind of confused on where that all works,

(01:13:11):
because here's.

Speaker 5 (01:13:12):
Here's what usually happens. Usually it's whoever runs into who
their insurance covers it. So if the if the guy
up front was rear ended, unless he did something egregious,
the guy up front gets paid by the guy that

(01:13:33):
hit him, and then it's a chain reaction. However, if
the guy did something egregious, the guy upfront pays the
guy who hit him. But that's very seldom the case,
and it's usually that you're you're they say you're if
you had a safe distance, you would not have run
into them. Now, if it was intentional, like break checking

(01:13:55):
or something, that's different. But the bottom line is this,
your insurance will take care of your card you have
collision and the other person doesn't have adequate coverage, or
if it's pain and suffering, their liability will take care
of you. If they don't have enough liability, you're under insured.

(01:14:16):
Motorist or in the case of no insurance, uninsured motorist
coverage would take care of the pain and suffering part.
So do you have any specific questions?

Speaker 8 (01:14:27):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:14:29):
Yes.

Speaker 8 (01:14:30):
I put eleven thousand into this truck over the last
year for a few pumps on it. It's a diesel,
and the whole front end and new tires in the
last month, and they're not offered me very much of
that back.

Speaker 5 (01:14:50):
They owe you whatever they owe you, They owe you
whatever you lost. Okay, do you have collision coverage? Do
you have collision coverage?

Speaker 8 (01:15:03):
I do.

Speaker 1 (01:15:04):
You can always truck, you can.

Speaker 5 (01:15:06):
Always go through your own but your own insurance is
only going to pay what it's worth. If you add
stuff to that truck and and really increase the value
beyond normal, you're supposed to up your insurance.

Speaker 8 (01:15:20):
Yeah, it was just trucks, like a whole new front
end that was a month ago, with new tires.

Speaker 5 (01:15:28):
How many miles on this truck? How many miles and
two and eighty thousand? Well, you're not going to you're
not going to get that other stuff. I know what
you're trying to say. They're they're paying you. They're paying
you for a very very very old truck. Right, yeah,
Now the tires, the tires are salvageable.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
Are they going to total the truck?

Speaker 11 (01:15:54):
They're there.

Speaker 8 (01:15:55):
The problem is that they're going to toll it and
I want to keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Much will it cost to fix.

Speaker 8 (01:16:03):
If I take it to a body shop? Fifteen thousand
to replace the bed and the bumper?

Speaker 1 (01:16:09):
What is that? What year is this? Tell me about
your truck?

Speaker 8 (01:16:13):
Twenty ten F two fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:16:17):
Twenty ten with two hundred over two hundred and eighty
thousand miles.

Speaker 8 (01:16:22):
Yeah, I think it's an.

Speaker 5 (01:16:25):
Well did you say it f two fifty?

Speaker 8 (01:16:28):
Yes, sir?

Speaker 5 (01:16:29):
Okay, listen, I know you took no matter. I understand
you said you took good care of it. But if
you were to sell that right before the accident, what
would you get for it?

Speaker 8 (01:16:42):
I didn't never want to sell it, that's the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Well, you got to prove what it's worth.

Speaker 8 (01:16:46):
Take care of it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:48):
You got to prove what it's worth.

Speaker 5 (01:16:51):
They're not going to hand out money to you. This
is an old truck. This is not going to be
worth a lot of money.

Speaker 8 (01:16:56):
And I do understand that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
What are they offering you? What are they offering you?

Speaker 11 (01:17:03):
They're offering me.

Speaker 8 (01:17:06):
Seventeen twenty two if I if I just take the buyout,
or seventeen if I keep the truck.

Speaker 5 (01:17:15):
Okay, and so at seventeen, at seventeen, are you going
to fix it?

Speaker 8 (01:17:25):
I can? Yeah. Yeah, the engine's great.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
That's put learning.

Speaker 5 (01:17:31):
So if they give you seventeen and you can fix it,
then that's exactly where you should be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:36):
You broke even I mean, what are you arguing about.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
That's exactly what. That's exactly what. That's how the math
should work. Very very seldom works out that way. Steve,
that that's the way the math should work. If your
truck was totaled and you want to keep it, what
you get in money should take care of the repairs. Yeah,

(01:18:07):
so what's wrong with that picture?

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Then what's wrong with it?

Speaker 8 (01:18:12):
Part of my argument is they said that if they
if they get the whole truck, then they pay me
taxes on it like that, that's right, dollars.

Speaker 5 (01:18:25):
In taxes because you have to buy another one.

Speaker 1 (01:18:27):
That's right. That's right.

Speaker 5 (01:18:29):
If I keep it, they don't pay the taxes, that's
right because that's not part because it's no longer a
part of your loss.

Speaker 8 (01:18:39):
Okay, because I'm confused because what I read from it
says Colorado revised Statue titled ten Insurance tensh four Dash
six thirty nine says that doesn't matter that part of
the taxes is part of that deal.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
The part of the taxes is part of what ya No.

Speaker 8 (01:19:02):
Caller at the law requires companies to pay sales tax.
I'm a total vehicle. Regardless of whether the policy alder
keeps the vehicle.

Speaker 5 (01:19:13):
It doesn't require them to pay sales taxes.

Speaker 8 (01:19:18):
Okay, all right, probably right.

Speaker 5 (01:19:22):
I mean you just read you just read something that
does not support your argument.

Speaker 8 (01:19:30):
Yeah, I read it differently.

Speaker 5 (01:19:34):
Well, they actually though you're you're gonna get You're gonna
you're gonna get sales tax if you went out to
buy it. So listen, Steve, I'm here. I still need
to ask this question. It sucks that this happened to you,
And if it was a newer truck, you could probably

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get diminished value. I don't know if you can get
it on a two hundred and eighty thousand mile truck,
but I will say this, if you can fix that
truck for the money offering you, that's exactly what's supposed
to happen. Again, I can't say that enough. I mean,
what were you thinking? In other words, I don't understand

(01:20:16):
if they offered that to you, are you just trying
to profit from it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:20):
What's what are you trying to do?

Speaker 8 (01:20:23):
No, I'm just.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
You're pissed off.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
You're pissed off that they ruined your truck and you
and you think it sucks that you come out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
Of this with just the truck fixed, right that? Really?

Speaker 8 (01:20:36):
No? No, If they would fix that truck, I would
be happy. But they want to take the truck and
they want me to forego the repairs I did in
the last year, which I was Steve, would.

Speaker 5 (01:20:50):
Be Steve, Steve, you said that for the money they're
giving you for you keeping the truck seventeen thousand, you
just told me.

Speaker 1 (01:21:01):
It was going to cost fifteen to fix that truck.

Speaker 5 (01:21:04):
That leaves another couple of grand for tires and a
fuel pump.

Speaker 8 (01:21:10):
Jill pumps are sixty five hundred on that talk.

Speaker 5 (01:21:12):
Okay, Steve, if you think, if you think we're going
to end the conversation now, thank you for calling. If
this guy thought he was going to get sixty five
hundred for a fuel pump on a two hundred and
eighty thousand mile truck. He's got rocks in his head. Okay,
they're not going to do it all right. You see,
insurance covers damages, it doesn't cover stupid.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
I'm not calling you stupid. Here's what I mean.

Speaker 5 (01:21:37):
If you overpaid for something, or or or if you
chose to invest in something that wasn't worth that much,
they don't have to cover it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:47):
They don't have.

Speaker 5 (01:21:48):
To cover your choices. They just have to cover value value.
Right now, you can get that truck fixed. In fact,
if you keep it, you still have your fuel pumps.
So I don't even understand. You're not even making sense.

Speaker 1 (01:22:05):
Steve, help me. You understand this.

Speaker 5 (01:22:08):
If you if they pay you seventeen grand, did he
hang up? If they pay you seventeen grand, you get
to keep the truck, so you have your fuel pump.
Wait a minute, you have your fuel pump in your tires.
So I don't get it. Why do you have to
get paid for that? If you get to keep the.

Speaker 8 (01:22:25):
Truck, I paying five thousand dollars to keep that truck, Steve, Steve, you.

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
Are getting seventeen thousand dollars plus the truck.

Speaker 1 (01:22:42):
The repairs are.

Speaker 5 (01:22:44):
Well within the seventeen grand plus. You still have the
new fuel pump you paid for, and you have the
new tires you paid for. You are making zero sense. Okay,
zero sense. Sorry, I'm Tom Martino.

Speaker 11 (01:22:59):
Moore it up.

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to make a programming note, and that is on a
car accident, any accident.

Speaker 1 (01:23:42):
It sucks. Okay, if it's.

Speaker 5 (01:23:44):
A newer vehicle or not necessarily newer but not so used,
you would get diminished value, okay if you wanted to
fix it. But if anyone wants to total your vehicle,
because that's what that car was worth a minute before
you wrecked it, they have a right to pay you

(01:24:04):
the value of that truck or car. If you disagree
with that, you can go to an expert and get
it appraise. But maintenance doesn't usually work into the value.
It does a little if you had something major. But
here's the thing. If you're going to keep the truck,
then you're, in essence, they're totaling it and you're buying

(01:24:27):
it back.

Speaker 1 (01:24:28):
That's really what's happening.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
When he bought it back, the net dollars he was
getting is seventeen grand. Now he thought, in addition to that,
he should get the sixty five hundred for his fuel
pump and the money he put in for tires.

Speaker 1 (01:24:44):
But he is getting that.

Speaker 5 (01:24:46):
He's getting the fuel pump with the truck and the
new tires with the truck.

Speaker 1 (01:24:51):
So I don't understand why he.

Speaker 5 (01:24:53):
Felt he had to be reimbursed for those things. They're
in essence saying to him, here's the truck. We'll pay
you seventeen grand for the damages we did, less the salvage.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
Anyway, it always happens.

Speaker 5 (01:25:09):
This way people, And I'll tell you why, because he
does have a good point. He had a perfectly good
truck before the accident.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Now it sucks, it really does.

Speaker 5 (01:25:20):
Patty's got an issue with Sentry Link.

Speaker 1 (01:25:22):
What's going on? Patty?

Speaker 5 (01:25:28):
Patty, what's happening? And if she go ahead, Hi, Patty,
what's going on? What's happening?

Speaker 12 (01:25:38):
Well up here, you helped us once before in our community,
Pinewood Springs, we have a Century Link landline, had it
for twenty eight years up here, okay, and it's always
been it's always been reliable.

Speaker 5 (01:25:53):
You still hear me, ton, Yeah, but they don't maintain
him anymore.

Speaker 12 (01:26:00):
We're fine here, they don't maintain the Actually we're on
the other landline with Century Link trying to tell them
we had power outage last Friday last and for about
two and a half hours during that time, nothing that
we couldn't access cell phones if there had been fire

(01:26:22):
or medical emergency. No backup from these batteries that supply
our landline. Backup.

Speaker 5 (01:26:28):
Hold on, hold on, Patty, yeah, once before, hold on, hold.

Speaker 1 (01:26:31):
On, hold on. You have a landline with Sentry Link.

Speaker 5 (01:26:36):
Right, okay? Then then what about do you have a
cell phone too?

Speaker 12 (01:26:46):
We have a cell on it right now to you. Well,
my wife's on the landline talk in the century right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:51):
May I ask why you have a landline still? I'm
just curious.

Speaker 7 (01:26:58):
Mountains where pine with springs.

Speaker 12 (01:27:01):
When the power goes off for any reason, and last
week it was a lightning strike somewhere down around Lions.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
When the power goes out for any reason.

Speaker 12 (01:27:10):
Why when the power goes out, then use our landline.
It was always battery backed up at the main section
here off the highway thirty six years a cluster where
all the wires to our Latin Cannattie.

Speaker 5 (01:27:26):
I still don't understand. Listen, I just want to understand.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
You have a.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
Landline, so you can use it during a power outage. Yes,
why can't you use your cell phone?

Speaker 12 (01:27:43):
Because we recently got cell powers. Between the town of
Lions and Estes twenty miles, they put up cell towers.
The towers are now at and T Verizon. Verizon gave
us one of those little boosters for the house. But
when the hour went out, all those powers went out.
There's no cell phone connection.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
I get it.

Speaker 5 (01:28:06):
I get it, okay, And now now now I understand,
so Patty, Patty, and also your your your cell phone
is kind of spotty in the mountains are because I'm
not hearing all of you. But but here's the here's
the unfortunate reality. Okay, Century Link and I know what
you're gonna get does not have to provide landlines. And

(01:28:29):
if you don't like what they're providing, they don't have
to make it better for you. But they they offer
a service. If that service sucks, you cancel it. In
other words, this is the this is the reality of
growing pains in technology. You're saying, I have a contract

(01:28:54):
with them, they must provide me with service, and you're right,
you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:28:59):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:29:00):
However, if they decide and it's not like they take
a vote on it, but if they're losing money and
they don't want to put a lot of money into
the infrastructure for landlines, they don't have to. So then
you would say, well, wait a minute, I have a contract,
So what are your options if they breach your contract?

(01:29:23):
Your option would be for you to break the contract
and stop paying, okay, which you can do at any time.
They're not going to make you pay. If you say
I don't want the service anymore, then you both part company.
What you can't do is what I think you're trying
to do. You can't force them to perform it's called

(01:29:45):
specific performance. You can't force someone to perform. It sucks
because you're depending you're depending on this landline.

Speaker 1 (01:30:04):
It sucks. I get it.

Speaker 11 (01:30:08):
But yeah, yeah, got hit this.

Speaker 5 (01:30:12):
No, No, I agree with you that you expect them
to come through with their service. So well maybe they will.
Will they fix the battery packs or whatever?

Speaker 11 (01:30:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (01:30:27):
And I am you saying that country Link. You know
we've done this before. We've talked with you, You've helped
us in the past. And one of our firefighters here
down at the firehouse told me the other day, he goes, well,
they would love us all to drop our landlines up
here because these battery packs at the community, they're very

(01:30:48):
expensive to come up here and to dig or to
do repairs, very expensive. I understand what you're saying. They
are obligated. They're just basically pressure me by non service
to drop them.

Speaker 5 (01:31:03):
That's right that you hit it right on the head, Patty,
you hit it right on the head. But there's nothing
to prov but here. Here's what I don't know what
to do in a power out of Joe. I don't
know what to tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:31:17):
I really don't. I mean, I'm surprised that the cell towers.

Speaker 5 (01:31:21):
I'm surprised that the cell towers don't have battery backups.

Speaker 12 (01:31:27):
That's something that where Towers came in about years ago
and they just started up the service at and T
was a great provider they and then I talked to
my Verizon carrier and says, well, we're gonna switch now
because you guys aren't.

Speaker 8 (01:31:42):
Part of this.

Speaker 12 (01:31:43):
Well, they got part of the system. So that's what
I'm talking to you now. Which even on my little
cheap track phone, I can make calls as long as
those towers operate. We are bouncing signals and we're doing great.
But mister Martinez, I won't keep you. You've made a
good point that they are not obligated.

Speaker 7 (01:32:02):
But it was my feeling that you know.

Speaker 12 (01:32:04):
They're saying, well, let's not do anything and the guy
will drop us. That is a terrible business.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
You know, really it really isn't terrible anymore because they
don't want the business anymore. I mean, in other words,
it's a pain in their ass.

Speaker 11 (01:32:23):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (01:32:23):
Yeah, Well hopefully, like I said up here, if you
get a generator, and there were a couple of homes
that run off of generators when the power goes off,
we need to we'd have to go with pro pain
to support say a genera generator. But for twenty eight
years we've never had the emergency issues. As long as

(01:32:46):
there was a landline, we were always good to go.

Speaker 5 (01:32:49):
But at Tay Steve, have you ever thought of doing
a solar system, an off grid solar system.

Speaker 12 (01:32:56):
We've got some of those that are I would have
to uh really look into that soul.

Speaker 1 (01:33:03):
Now you can listen.

Speaker 5 (01:33:04):
You can do a solar system with battery backups and
there are with people, there are some really good ones available.
I'm serious now, I'm not look at I'm not telling you.
You're wondering why do I have to put up with this?
And I know why you're thinking this, Oh well, because
really we're all caught up with this technology thing. There

(01:33:26):
are a lot of things that are going to start
going away and we're gonna be pissed off about it,
but we have.

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
No choice in the matter.

Speaker 5 (01:33:34):
They're just being phased out and they're not going to
support him anymore, you know.

Speaker 12 (01:33:39):
So anyway I told yeah, we yeah, all right, Well
I hope that people are and I know they do
listen to your program and they have heard this and
if they have such issues, well then maybe I've helped
them too. They know well it's gonna go away.

Speaker 11 (01:33:55):
And uh, we'll just have to live with it.

Speaker 12 (01:33:58):
But we'll look into that solar. That solar directly to
a battery makes more sense than me putting that pro paint.

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
Yeah, now listen to this.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
If you want to do that, call a redrocksars dot com,
that solar company, or Probidenergy dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Either one of them.

Speaker 5 (01:34:14):
Okay, so it's Probidenergy dot com or Redrocks r s
dot com. Either one of them can help you. We
got more coming up. Go with a sure thing Denver's
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(01:35:05):
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Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
Okay, So.

Speaker 5 (01:35:17):
We have Jeff who has an issue with a car accident.
Go ahead, Jeff, what's going on?

Speaker 11 (01:35:24):
Hey? Tom? How are you?

Speaker 1 (01:35:25):
Good man? What's happening is this?

Speaker 8 (01:35:27):
Uh?

Speaker 11 (01:35:27):
I gotta I gotta stop you one for you. I'll
try to be as quick and sixcinct as possible. I
was in an accident involving total of three cars. Car
A which is the idiot hit car B, CARB hit me.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (01:35:45):
This guy was going like sixty miles an hour in
a thirty at a stop light. We were all to
stop light, so I get out. The guy truck behind me,
big f one fifty XL got hit by a dodge. Uh,

(01:36:05):
some kind of a dodge.

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
Yeah. Well whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:36:08):
The guy that hit you is responsible to you. The
guy that hit him is responsible to him.

Speaker 11 (01:36:13):
Well, oh that's a lot. Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:36:15):
So the guy that wait, wait, wait, who's telling you
differently than that?

Speaker 11 (01:36:19):
Okay? The guy that caused the accident didn't admit, you know,
he admitted he was wrong. He had an insurance company
out of Texas called Trexas. Now they are telling me.

Speaker 17 (01:36:36):
That.

Speaker 5 (01:36:38):
Okay, first yet, guy, just tell me, just tell me
what they're telling you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:43):
BRN, What are they telling.

Speaker 11 (01:36:44):
Okay, well they called me a couple of weeks, so
finally it was about what did they tell you? Going
on for two months now? They offered me four dollars
for totaling my car.

Speaker 5 (01:36:55):
Wait a minute, so car A is going to pay
for all of them?

Speaker 11 (01:37:00):
Well they are, okay? Okay, Well hold on.

Speaker 1 (01:37:05):
Jeff, Jeff, Normally, normally.

Speaker 5 (01:37:08):
That doesn't happen so easily that that car A would
take the responsibility like that. So are we we're not
talking about responsibility here now, we're talking about the value.

Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
Is that what we're down to right now?

Speaker 5 (01:37:21):
Because this happens all the time that they're offering you
a price you don't think is fair?

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
Is that it?

Speaker 17 (01:37:27):
No?

Speaker 11 (01:37:27):
Actually I was okay at the price.

Speaker 1 (01:37:29):
Okay, then what's the issue?

Speaker 11 (01:37:31):
Well, she said, well, here's the problem.

Speaker 1 (01:37:35):
Are they totally your vehicle?

Speaker 11 (01:37:37):
They toted my vehicle, which I can keep.

Speaker 7 (01:37:41):
Okay, So I'm okay with It's not that bad.

Speaker 11 (01:37:44):
It's a bit, it's a mess up bumper. They shattered
my back window and put fits in my back Okay, So.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
What's the real issue? Hold on?

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
I want you to tell me the real issue, but
I got to take a break. I really want to
hear this three oh three seven to one three talks
seven one three eight two five five. You know we
have been slammed with calls, and I'm sorry Jordan with
my money Myway dot com. I'm not getting to right now,
and I'm gonna try. I talk to his dad a
little Joe Piano, and I'll try to get to him,
but we have another hour to go as well. I

(01:38:14):
just want to remind people, and I do have some
text questions for him. But Jeff, I want to get
to the issue in your accident and let's get you
some help. I'm Tom Martine Moore coming up. Go with
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Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
Hey, I'm Tom Martine.

Speaker 5 (01:39:02):
You're troubleshooter three O three seven one three talk seven
one three eight two five to five. Jeff, So these guys,
what is the issue. You're you're not disputing the money,
keeping the car, getting it fixed.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
What's the issue?

Speaker 11 (01:39:16):
No, I'm not even a fixer anyway. Here's the deal. So,
well they offered it. She goes, well, but there's a problem.
The guy that was pushed into me with his car
b he still had a loan on his truck, so
he had full coverage, so they must have offered him something.
He said, nope, I'm going to go through my own

(01:39:37):
insurance company. So she goes, well, you may get lesser,
you may get less money now because of this.

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
You know why, right? Do you know why?

Speaker 4 (01:39:48):
Well, I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (01:39:51):
Let me just tell you why. Let me tell you why.

Speaker 11 (01:39:53):
It was with a crapload of money.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
For one Jeff.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Jeff, listen carefully, I'm just going to cut to the
quick here. He has a limited amount of liability, so
what they were doing is dividing up the money between
the two of you. If this guy said, this guy said,
I'm not taking it. I'm going to go through my
own insurance and then his insurance is going to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Sue that party. That's called subrogation.

Speaker 5 (01:40:19):
And if they get more money, you get less money.

Speaker 1 (01:40:24):
And they're telling you the.

Speaker 11 (01:40:25):
True they're giving him twenty eight dollars, yeah, which is
over to twenty five. So I'm like, what, I don't
get that? What do I get zero?

Speaker 5 (01:40:37):
No, you don't get zero. But you can only get
Here's what you have to understand. You can only you
can only.

Speaker 1 (01:40:46):
Get what coverage they have, plus go after the owner.

Speaker 5 (01:40:52):
Okay, but you have to make a choice if the
owner of a let's stay. Let's just make it simple.
Let's say they have twenty thousand in coverage. I know
they have more, but let's just say it's twenty thousands.

Speaker 11 (01:41:05):
She said it was twenty five.

Speaker 1 (01:41:07):
That's all he has in liability.

Speaker 11 (01:41:10):
Yeah, the state, the statement of them whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:41:13):
If that's the case.

Speaker 5 (01:41:14):
Said, if that's the case, okay, you're not going to
get and that guy gets twenty five, you're not going
to get anything.

Speaker 1 (01:41:23):
That's right, That's exactly right.

Speaker 5 (01:41:26):
But well, Jeff, you know, where does the money come from.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
It doesn't come from heaven.

Speaker 11 (01:41:33):
One thing I don't understand is the guy that caused
the accident still had a temp plate on his truck.
I highly doubt he paid a cash for it. I
highly doubt it he has What does that mean?

Speaker 5 (01:41:47):
What do you think full coverage could be the state minimum?

Speaker 1 (01:41:52):
Damn man, Listen, Jeff, Jeff, you just.

Speaker 11 (01:41:56):
Getting nothing out of an as I had insurance, Jeff, but.

Speaker 5 (01:42:00):
Nothing, Jeff, Well, I don't even know what you're talking about.
If the guy who calls, Jeff, if the guy who
calls the accident listen to this carefully, if he doesn't
have enough coverage for all of you, they can decide

(01:42:20):
to pay only the guy that they hit, okay, and
and if they don't have any more money, you have
a choice. You can use your own collision coverage, or
you can go after the guy in car B that
hit you, or you can go after the guy in

(01:42:42):
car A. The fact that he doesn't have insurance doesn't
mean he's not liable.

Speaker 1 (01:42:47):
He could still be liable. But does he have.

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
Any money if you go after him? You see, it's
not that you're not entitled to the money. You are
entitled to it, but you're only entitled to it if
you can get it. If there's no money, you can't
get it. Let's just say some you know, like like,
I don't know how to explain this to you, but

(01:43:12):
if if those cars were driven by poor people with
no insurance, you would get nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:43:20):
That's life, all.

Speaker 11 (01:43:22):
Right, you know. Well that's what it seems to be anyway.

Speaker 5 (01:43:26):
That's why listen, Jeff, that's why you got to carry
your own insurance.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Do you have collision coverage?

Speaker 9 (01:43:34):
Well?

Speaker 11 (01:43:34):
I had, I had state minimum coverage.

Speaker 5 (01:43:36):
Okay, well then you have the same thing these people have.
Let me put it on you. What if you ran
into somebody and they ran into somebody. What if you
were the guy in the in the back of this
line and you caused the accident, and you have state minimums? Right,
how would you pay more than what you have in coverage?
How would you do it? Would you sell your house?

Speaker 11 (01:43:59):
Well?

Speaker 8 (01:43:59):
You know, get that flash.

Speaker 11 (01:44:02):
I've put out three hundred of my own money already.

Speaker 1 (01:44:04):
Listen, Jeff, I had to fix the back windows.

Speaker 5 (01:44:07):
There's nothing fair. There's nothing fair about any of this.
I'm not saying it's fair that the minimums are way
too low. Okay, that's just the.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
Way it is.

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Speaker 1 (01:45:00):
So you don't have come runs as.

Speaker 11 (01:45:04):
Fast as we can.

Speaker 3 (01:45:06):
Shooter's gonna help come man, this is the Troubleshooter Show.

Speaker 4 (01:45:13):
No Tom Martine, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (01:45:15):
Want to talk to you about your problems.

Speaker 5 (01:45:17):
Question complains Jordan Kiano's with us with my Money Myway
dot com, and I want to ask him a question
because this is something I get every time we talk
about fixed indextinuities. By the way, that's not all they
do at my money my Way dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
They also do overfunding. They do fixed indextinuities.

Speaker 5 (01:45:34):
They do overfunding of life insurance, which, by the way,
in my opinion, is like a mini annuity. Basically, it's
a do it yourself annuity, where with life insurance where
you overfund it on purpose. A lot of people think
it's about the life insurance.

Speaker 1 (01:45:49):
It's really not.

Speaker 5 (01:45:50):
It's about overfunding and having cash value grow tax free,
and then you borrow from it later in life and
you almost use it as auxiliary income. And because it's alone,
you never pay tax on it, and then the life
insurance proceeds can pay it off if you don't pay
it off.

Speaker 1 (01:46:09):
Jordan, that is like a mini annuity, isn't it almost.

Speaker 11 (01:46:14):
It's almost like that.

Speaker 9 (01:46:14):
I almost always kind of say like a rock on
steroids as well. You know, because you hit it right
on the head, tax free money, you get guaranteed growth
tax your money, but liquidity just as you mentioned to
pay stuff off.

Speaker 1 (01:46:26):
In patiently guaranteed security too.

Speaker 5 (01:46:27):
You'll never lose it, right So, and by the way,
so that's one thing.

Speaker 1 (01:46:32):
Overfunding life insurance.

Speaker 5 (01:46:33):
Anybody can do it at any income level. That's a
really good starter for everyone with a portfolio. Then when
we talk about a fixed indextenuity, let's talk about a
more sophisticated person. They're investing money and they have upside
potential with the market. They have upside potential here and there,
but once you put your money into a fixed inextenuity.
You're settling for a fixed return. Again, it's guaranteed and

(01:46:56):
it's fixed, and then you're settling full or a lack
of well, it's not total lack of liquidity, but some
because your money's tied up and then in exchange for
that you get income.

Speaker 1 (01:47:12):
So could that ever come back to bite anyone?

Speaker 5 (01:47:16):
I mean, I would say you don't put every dime
you have in it, and there's always room.

Speaker 9 (01:47:21):
For it, right, right, I would say you know two things.
One is it's most times it's pretty much the same
rules or a lack of liquidity for four one k's iras.
That's right, it's similar.

Speaker 8 (01:47:32):
You're not changing too much on that.

Speaker 9 (01:47:34):
But to your question, I would say you don't everyone's
everybody says, don't call your eggs in one basket, right.
I think it's smart to have something you can count
on guaranteed, and that's where this product fits. For anybody
who's ready for retirement or getting into that age fifty
to fifty five plus, this is the time to start
having a basket. That's the silver line to never break
with those eggs, and that's where gives you growth without

(01:47:56):
root the risk of going down, and you also have
that guaranteed component no matter what.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
So can you borrow from an annuity if you need money.

Speaker 9 (01:48:06):
You can't borrow, but you can take distributions out of it,
so that most companies they let you have up to
ten percent, uh, you know, withdrawals, and that's something that
just as you mentioned, if you're not ready to turn
the income on and have a set paycheck yet, but
you have an emergency you need some extra cash, that's
where these products do well. You can get some access
to it, unlike some four one k's where you might

(01:48:27):
have to prove to them hardships, loans, that kind of stuff.

Speaker 8 (01:48:30):
College education.

Speaker 9 (01:48:31):
You don't have to do that with with this product.

Speaker 5 (01:48:33):
But if you take then that's ten percent less your
money's grown, I mean ten percent growing in your account,
and that'll affect ultimately your income.

Speaker 1 (01:48:42):
Wouldn't it correct?

Speaker 9 (01:48:44):
That would that would also yeah, exactly dependent on you know,
whether it's wroth or not the infant side, but to
your future income. As you're saying, if it doesn't make
it back up, or if there's no additional contributions at
it over those years, you're right, then it could reduce
the payout just slightly.

Speaker 5 (01:48:59):
Now it's up to ten percent without penalty, But is
it ten percent or less?

Speaker 1 (01:49:05):
Can you take less than ten percent?

Speaker 9 (01:49:07):
You can't take? Yes, yep, you're you're saying it correctly, yep.

Speaker 5 (01:49:10):
And do you pay tax since you paid tax on
that money and you take out ten percent?

Speaker 1 (01:49:16):
Are you taxed on any of the growth?

Speaker 5 (01:49:18):
Do they take a portion of the growth and assign
it to that withdrawal?

Speaker 9 (01:49:22):
Again, that's a good, good question that will be based
again if it's raw or traditional or non qualified. But
most times they will ask if you want to hold
just like anything else taxes or paid in the in
the end of the year on your own, but it
will add to your income if it's full on Kira
money and unqualified.

Speaker 5 (01:49:41):
But is it all of it considered return or is
only some of it considered return?

Speaker 9 (01:49:46):
So they do it based off of ordinary income up front,
and then it's the game thereafter. So again, if it's
four on Kira money, this is what the tax consultants
will chime in a little bit more on that, but
it's going to be traditionally just like a four to
one K you'll pay ordinary income on that if you
catch out the same with this product. But if it's

(01:50:07):
money that you didn't put it in and it had
nothing to do with you sold a house, well then
it's just going to be kind of similar. It'll be
on the gains that you get taxed on, and that'll
be ordinary.

Speaker 1 (01:50:16):
Income and that's only on withdrawals.

Speaker 5 (01:50:19):
Do most people ever find themselves withdrawing money before it
annuitizes or do they usually wait?

Speaker 11 (01:50:26):
You know, for most people that I've seen, most let.

Speaker 9 (01:50:29):
It wait because again, this money was four to one
k ira money. If they're underage fifty nine and a half, well,
they also have ten percent from the government, so you know,
if they're paying let's say twenty percent taxes and ten
percent of government, BUTUS thirty percent.

Speaker 8 (01:50:41):
Right off the top.

Speaker 5 (01:50:42):
So most have you Have you ever heard of parents
opening annuities for kids for college?

Speaker 9 (01:50:49):
Good point. I would say it's more rare because of
you know, age requirements. For a lot of companies you
can open annuities.

Speaker 5 (01:51:00):
Oh, because because you can't, because they can't turn on
the income for college.

Speaker 15 (01:51:05):
You got it.

Speaker 9 (01:51:05):
Yes, So it'd be more so just with growth and protection.
But then they can just you know, disburse the money
if they'd like. But it wouldn't have that income side
to the benefits of the guaranteed long term care side
and all that.

Speaker 8 (01:51:16):
Because they're too young.

Speaker 5 (01:51:17):
But you become the banker product. The overfunding of life insurance.
Now that you can do for your kids because the
cost of insurance is very low and you can overfund
the hell out of that for college.

Speaker 9 (01:51:30):
You got it, and it doesn't have to be you know,
we focus on, you know, maximizing growing it for the
rest of their life. Well for college purposes. Maybe somebody's
got a five twenty nine pen and they're sick of
the performance. Maybe he has money that's just grandma and
grandpa send him every year. Well, that is it right
where you want to dump it in, put it into
the become the banker life account, use it for whatever.
If the kid gets scholarship's grants, maybe they don't need

(01:51:52):
all this college education money, but they want.

Speaker 8 (01:51:54):
To use it for homes, books, whatever, Well you can do.

Speaker 9 (01:51:57):
That with it becomes of the banker life five twenty nine.
You get a little limited and of course it rights
at the market.

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Hey question, Tom, Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (01:52:05):
Which of these products do you have to take a
minimum required distribution from annually?

Speaker 9 (01:52:11):
Neither of them that would Yeah, the only one you
have to do with the if it was four wing
Kira money once you're that's right, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:52:18):
If it's qualified money.

Speaker 5 (01:52:20):
They look at all of your plans, doc, and the
only thing you have to take a minimum required distribution
from is a qualified plan where taxes were deferred. So
they want they want you to think of it this way.
If taxes are deferred, the government wants you to pull
at least some of it out and start paying tax
on it if it wasn't deferred, and it's going to

(01:52:43):
be tax free like a WROTH.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Now Wroth by the way.

Speaker 5 (01:52:47):
While it's tax deferred because the money going in was
not deducted.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
With a WROTH, it's tax free.

Speaker 5 (01:52:54):
So they don't require a minimum distribution on Wroth money.

Speaker 8 (01:52:58):
Yeah, I just thought to make that they limit you everybody.

Speaker 5 (01:53:02):
Yeah, with Roth, by the way, it's one of the
few qualified plans where you're not required to take a
minimum a distribution.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Let's talk to Frederick. He has a landscaping problem.

Speaker 5 (01:53:11):
And by the way, that's my money, myway dot com,
you know, and I've known these guys for yours.

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
Frederick, what's going on with landscaping.

Speaker 11 (01:53:21):
Tom, I got a question for you.

Speaker 15 (01:53:22):
I've had a town home that backs up to a open,
uh basically common area. The landscapers come by and they
use these big zero turn moowers. They have no discharge
off of them. Uh you know, so they just shoot
rocks and everything wherever they may left the property came back.

(01:53:47):
I had a double paned sliding glass window that was broken.
I'm extremely protected with a hill on one side. So
I cond type of landscaper he said, Nope, I didn't
do it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:03):
Hey, this is where a This is where a ring
camera would come in handy, right.

Speaker 15 (01:54:09):
It would, wouldn't it.

Speaker 5 (01:54:10):
But hold on, So nobody's admitting to it.

Speaker 15 (01:54:14):
No one's admitting to it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
Damn it. There's nothing you can do about it. I
mean you can. It's just like any accusation.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
It's like it's like accusing a kid down the.

Speaker 1 (01:54:23):
Street, you know, throwing a baseball. I mean, what do
you do?

Speaker 15 (01:54:27):
Well, let me ask you a question. I have video
of that same landscaper the next week coming by with
it right on mowers and they're discharged wide open and.

Speaker 1 (01:54:38):
Okay and spread. That's wonderful. That's wonderful.

Speaker 5 (01:54:42):
That's called circumstantial evidence, meaning I can show you this
week what he was doing, so therefore he must have
been doing it last week, or it must have been
what caused the problem. It's never going to work as
far as small claims court or something. It's of honor.
If they're not going to if they're not going to

(01:55:02):
pony up to it, then they're not going to pony
up to it. Okay, it would be hell to pay
to try to prove it. Well, I don't think you could.
I don't think like if you two have a small
claims card and said, your honor, this is what they
do as a matter of fact, and isn't it logical
that they broke my window? They'd say, yeah, it's logical,
but it's not legal.

Speaker 15 (01:55:25):
So you don't think it's worth taking this small claims card?

Speaker 5 (01:55:28):
Well, that's up to you. That's a fifty dollars risk, man.
I mean, they might say. They might say, let's settle.
How much did it cost you to fix?

Speaker 15 (01:55:37):
And ninety bucks?

Speaker 5 (01:55:38):
Holy crap, now did your homeowners fix that?

Speaker 15 (01:55:43):
No, I haven't even submitted it.

Speaker 5 (01:55:45):
And by the way, you may not want to. It
might not be worth it. It might be the deductible but
here's the deal. Okay, if you take it to small
claims court, you you really have no direct evidence. And
if these guys simply say, did not do it, we
were not mowing that day, how do you prove otherwise?

Speaker 1 (01:56:05):
That's what I'm asking you.

Speaker 5 (01:56:06):
If you had a witness, if you had someone, it
would be different. See, the courts don't work on logic,
like you're thinking, not logic, but circumstances. They don't say, well, yeah,
well it seems and it is kind of logical. Well
it seems logical, or it seems reasonable that these guys

(01:56:28):
do this every week on this day, and one day
he comes home and finds his window cracked, and here's
what they do.

Speaker 1 (01:56:35):
But it's it's just not fair. I mean, it'll never happen.

Speaker 5 (01:56:41):
I could never see them a judge saying, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
I don't know, man, what do you I mean? I
just don't see it happening. So it's up to you.

Speaker 5 (01:56:53):
You can ay, you can file. It's fifty bucks, go
ahead and see what I mean. They might want to settle,
but maybe not. Are they a big landscaper or some
rinky dink.

Speaker 8 (01:57:05):
You know, I don't really know to be honest with him.

Speaker 11 (01:57:10):
I don't know how.

Speaker 8 (01:57:10):
Big they are.

Speaker 15 (01:57:11):
I know it's family owned, but I don't know how
big they are.

Speaker 1 (01:57:18):
Well, how do they think it happened? Did they mention anything?

Speaker 8 (01:57:23):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:57:23):
I was told that there was a windstorm and a
pine cone probably came and broke the window.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Jeez, I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:57:35):
I live in a very protected I've got almost a
forty degree hill.

Speaker 5 (01:57:41):
No, I get what you're saying. Listen, I know where
you're going. You're going for the circumstantial evidence.

Speaker 1 (01:57:47):
Yep, but it's not.

Speaker 5 (01:57:52):
I mean it's weird, but well, I don't know if
it's weird or not. I mean, if we could convict
on that or win on that, that would be a
that would be a pretty scary thing. You have to
have some direct evidence, some eyewindows for something something.

Speaker 1 (01:58:07):
Well, I think, so you listen, Like I said, it's
a fifty.

Speaker 5 (01:58:11):
Dollars gamble, so instead of six hundred and fifty, it'll
be seven hundred dollars loss, and you may want to
figure it out.

Speaker 1 (01:58:16):
I just don't know if.

Speaker 5 (01:58:17):
I would go through that trouble three all three, seven, one, three, eight,
two five five.

Speaker 1 (01:58:28):
Go with a sure thing.

Speaker 5 (01:58:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:59:04):
Hi, Tom Marts, you know here?

Speaker 5 (01:59:05):
Three oh three seven one three talk seven one three
eight two five five.

Speaker 1 (01:59:09):
Wow, we got some a lot of different problems here.
I want to get to Gene.

Speaker 5 (01:59:17):
What is this tenant landlord issue? I'm hoping it's not
that difficult. Maybe we can help you. What's going on?

Speaker 11 (01:59:21):
Jean?

Speaker 23 (01:59:23):
Well, I have been told that that the renters do
not want to move out. They owe eight thousand dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Wait a minute, Wait a minute. This is you're a landlord? Yes,
and they owe.

Speaker 5 (01:59:41):
Eight thousand dollars? And why did you let it get that?
How many months does that represent?

Speaker 11 (01:59:49):
Well?

Speaker 23 (01:59:51):
What they did was one party paid half and the
other didn't pay anything and they kept promising that they
would catch up.

Speaker 5 (02:00:04):
Yeah, but as far as you're concerned, though, they're both
on one lease. Or did you only charge half to
each other?

Speaker 9 (02:00:10):
No?

Speaker 23 (02:00:10):
No, no, they were both on the lease. But the
one gentleman feels like he's paid every time and that
gives him some rights.

Speaker 1 (02:00:21):
No, it doesn't.

Speaker 5 (02:00:22):
No, it doesn't not if they're on one lease and
only half the rents paid. So listen, you got to
proceed for an eviction. Don't hesitate. Call an attorney and
get an eviction.

Speaker 8 (02:00:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (02:00:32):
Well I did call an attorney, and they sent me
the particular document that I'm supposed to fill out, and
he said, now I want you to know that if
you do fill out this document, that these people cannot
rent anywhere ever again in Denver. And I thought that

(02:00:57):
was well, first of all.

Speaker 5 (02:00:58):
Why does this attorney even have to tell you that?
What attorney is this that you?

Speaker 1 (02:01:03):
You? You called.

Speaker 23 (02:01:05):
I belong to a little club and each month you
pay a fee. Most of the time you don't use it.
But if you what do.

Speaker 1 (02:01:15):
You mean a club?

Speaker 5 (02:01:16):
You're not you're not talking about pre paid legal, are you?

Speaker 23 (02:01:22):
No, it's just a monthly payment you make uh to
a group of attorneys, and they then what.

Speaker 1 (02:01:32):
Is it called? I never heard of? So what is
it called? Is it it's not prepaid?

Speaker 6 (02:01:37):
Legal?

Speaker 1 (02:01:37):
What is it called?

Speaker 23 (02:01:40):
I think the name of it is legal trade. I'd
have to look it up.

Speaker 5 (02:01:43):
My Okay, listen, listen is it now? Do you have
to pay extra when you do this?

Speaker 9 (02:01:48):
Uh?

Speaker 5 (02:01:49):
Or will they do the eviction for you?

Speaker 2 (02:01:52):
No?

Speaker 23 (02:01:52):
They don't the eviction. They answer questions.

Speaker 5 (02:01:56):
Okay, how much? How much do you pay a month
for this?

Speaker 23 (02:02:02):
Forty five dollars?

Speaker 5 (02:02:04):
Man, I'm your wasting money? Holy crap, what a waste
of money?

Speaker 1 (02:02:09):
You can?

Speaker 5 (02:02:10):
You can get any answer you want on the internet.
Have you ever heard of artificial intelligence?

Speaker 1 (02:02:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (02:02:15):
Listen, I wouldn't. I wouldn't pay that for any If
they're not look it. If you want to get an
eviction done, call a real real estate attorney olslaw dot
com Brad O'Brien and have them do an eviction. Do
not wait, and it's not your concern. If they can
rent again or not, that's up to them. They can
cure the default and stay there. But you can't be
concerned with that gene because you're going to be left

(02:02:36):
high and dry.

Speaker 23 (02:02:37):
Okay, Well, I realize I'm never going to get that
eight thousand.

Speaker 1 (02:02:43):
Well, who says you won't. Who says you.

Speaker 23 (02:02:44):
Won't, Well, I don't want to go through a court
battle or anything else. They don't have the money.

Speaker 1 (02:02:53):
Okay, If you don't want.

Speaker 5 (02:02:54):
To go through a court battle and you're not going
to get paid, then what does that mean, Because you're
going to have to go to court or have an
attorney go to court to get an eviction. So so, Gene,
just keep it the way it is, then they'll stay
there forever. You got great tenants paying half rent.

Speaker 23 (02:03:11):
No, I don't want them to stay there, but I
want to get them out?

Speaker 5 (02:03:21):
What were you hoping I would tell you? Because no, No, seriously, now, Gene,
I mean this. I'm not being disrespectful.

Speaker 1 (02:03:27):
What were you hoping?

Speaker 23 (02:03:29):
Squatter's rights people are telling some people that don't know
anything legally have been telling me that because they have
been paying half for a while, that they can have
squatter's white rights. And I don't understand squatters.

Speaker 7 (02:03:46):
What they are.

Speaker 5 (02:03:48):
Listen, there's no such thing, okay.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
Just what a squatter right.

Speaker 5 (02:03:53):
Is is if they stay in a place and claim residency. Okay,
and just please please talk to an attorney and not
these idiots that you've been talking to you. These people
were paying half rent. They violated the lease. Get them
out of there. When is the lease up?

Speaker 23 (02:04:16):
Oh it's expired.

Speaker 1 (02:04:19):
Get them out of there or you're going to be sorry.

Speaker 23 (02:04:23):
Well, I'm trying to figure out how to do it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:26):
I just told you.

Speaker 5 (02:04:27):
You call an attorney and let them do it. It
will save you money every month. You're losing money every
single month.

Speaker 23 (02:04:38):
Correct, But it is very, very expensive for the attorney
to do it. And what they know it isn't tell me.

Speaker 1 (02:04:46):
No, it's not expensive.

Speaker 5 (02:04:48):
No, listen, how much a month are they paying in rent?

Speaker 23 (02:04:54):
Two they're supposed to be.

Speaker 5 (02:04:57):
Paying and wait only two thousand and five hundred? And
what do they pay?

Speaker 23 (02:05:04):
Well, the sun is paying half one two hundred and fifty.
The mother had surgery and has been paying nothing.

Speaker 5 (02:05:14):
Okay, so listen, So every month you're every month you're
paying twelve hundred bucks, You're you're spent. You're losing. In fact,
you're probably losing more than that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:24):
Is it an apartment or.

Speaker 11 (02:05:25):
A house, a house?

Speaker 5 (02:05:28):
You're you're renting a house for twenty five hundred? Where
is this house.

Speaker 23 (02:05:34):
In our battle?

Speaker 5 (02:05:36):
What do you think that house is how many bedroom
house is it?

Speaker 23 (02:05:41):
It's two bedrooms with a shutter that you can close
off to make a third bedroom.

Speaker 1 (02:05:49):
Or does it have a garage?

Speaker 23 (02:05:52):
Yes, has a garage.

Speaker 5 (02:05:54):
Okay, you know what your average rent is for thousand?
What do you think your average rent is for that? Well,
I'm not three thousand, two hundred dollars, oh, which means
you can get even more than that. Listen, Gene, I
can only tell you so many times the right answer,

(02:06:17):
and it's not I'm not going to tell you the
wrong answer after telling you the right answer, Call Brad O'Brien,
O'Brien Legal Services, get it done correctly, get it done
immediately and get good tenants in there.

Speaker 23 (02:06:34):
I want to write that down, would you yes?

Speaker 5 (02:06:37):
O'Brien Legal Services, Kachina get her the number please three
oh three seven to one three talk seven one three
eight two five five. It's olslaw dot com. Get her
that number please. So we because I don't want to
do it on the air. We have more coming up
on the Troubleshooter Show. Jordan Canno. Somebody wanted to know
what's the minimum somebody can get into overfunding life insurance

(02:06:58):
to do a cash cash value.

Speaker 8 (02:07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 9 (02:07:03):
Uh so the minimum is I mean really gonna be
round like two and fxty bucks a month. I mean
it's that low. And then it's people are under the
age of twenty one or eighteen, you can get it
even lower.

Speaker 8 (02:07:12):
Grandparents like to you maybe do one hundred dollars a month.

Speaker 1 (02:07:15):
Yeah, but you can do it more if you want
to accumulate.

Speaker 7 (02:07:17):
Cash faster, right, Oh exactly.

Speaker 9 (02:07:20):
And if you have a lump sum, you can dump
it in there and it will shargo on day one
and it's accessible up to ninety five percent.

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(02:08:11):
here at three oh three seven one three talks seven
one three eight two five five. Bill has a question
on home title theft. Go ahead, Bill, what's happening?

Speaker 15 (02:08:20):
Hey?

Speaker 24 (02:08:21):
How's it going?

Speaker 11 (02:08:21):
Hey?

Speaker 24 (02:08:21):
I was watching TV last night and someone they ran
a commercial to it with some kind of insurance to
protect the title.

Speaker 15 (02:08:29):
To your house.

Speaker 24 (02:08:31):
They made it sound like someone could steal it really easily.

Speaker 5 (02:08:34):
You know, I mentioned this before and I didn't get
back to it, and I gotta I chastise yourself for that.

Speaker 1 (02:08:40):
I said, why you don't need title Locke let me.

Speaker 5 (02:08:42):
I know they advertised a lot here, but let me
just explain the reality.

Speaker 1 (02:08:45):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:08:47):
The only thing title Lock and all of these do,
The only thing they do is notify you if something
is recorded against your home.

Speaker 1 (02:08:56):
Okay.

Speaker 5 (02:08:58):
Many of the counties have started doing this free of
charge if you sign.

Speaker 1 (02:09:02):
Up for the service. But title Lock does not really
lock anything.

Speaker 5 (02:09:08):
They can't prevent me from from Anyone who wants to
commit fraud can do it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:15):
They can.

Speaker 5 (02:09:16):
What when they talk about title that they make it
sound like all I have to do is file a
quit claim deed and I own your home.

Speaker 8 (02:09:25):
That is just right, It's just not true.

Speaker 5 (02:09:29):
Now, if you have a home, I can file a
quit claim date Bill.

Speaker 1 (02:09:34):
I can.

Speaker 5 (02:09:35):
If your home's paid off, that means I own it
free and clear. If it's not paid off, that means
I own it subject to the security meet Theoretically, what
I mean is this.

Speaker 1 (02:09:48):
A quit claim says this very clearly.

Speaker 5 (02:09:52):
A quit claim says that I quit my claim to
any that you have, any claim that I have in
that house. So I can legally, right now, I can
legally write you a quit claim deed you Bill to
the to the Brooklyn Bridge, Okay, or to a house,

(02:10:13):
or to the Empire State Building.

Speaker 1 (02:10:16):
Because all it's saying is.

Speaker 5 (02:10:18):
Whatever Tom Martino owns in this Empire State Building is
now conveyed to Bill. If it's nothing, then nothing is conveyed.
So here's what they tell you happens. When your house
is paid off, they write out a quit claim deed

(02:10:39):
to themselves or to a friend, and they forge your name.

Speaker 1 (02:10:44):
That's absolutely true.

Speaker 5 (02:10:46):
Anyone can do it at any time, and they can
file it sometimes even online without ever going into the courthouse.

Speaker 24 (02:10:54):
So so they would have to prove it.

Speaker 1 (02:10:57):
That's exactly right. All it is is a claim. It
is not a deed. It is not a ownership document.

Speaker 24 (02:11:07):
So well it didn't sound right.

Speaker 5 (02:11:09):
What LifeLock would do is notify you that you have
something recorded. Then you would have to go and fight it,
just like you would have to fight it anyway. There's
nothing locked about it. You're fighting the claim. But it's
easy to fight. But I will tell you this, it

(02:11:33):
costs you money.

Speaker 1 (02:11:34):
It does.

Speaker 5 (02:11:35):
I mean, because what would you do if you found
there's a quit claim deed on your house. Well, it
would be a pain in as you would have to
go and do a quiet title action. It wouldn't take much.
You could get it done pretty damn quickly. But LifeLock
isn't doing that for you. All they're doing is notifying you.
You still have to hire an attorney and fight it. Okay,

(02:12:00):
So I don't get it. I just don't get it
because you know, being notified, Yeah, is that useful?

Speaker 1 (02:12:06):
Sure it is. But you can do a.

Speaker 5 (02:12:08):
Damn title search of your home quarterly if you want,
for a few bucks, or or yearly if you.

Speaker 1 (02:12:17):
Want, you know.

Speaker 5 (02:12:18):
I mean, but even if you find something on there,
it doesn't mean they can foreclose on your house. And
if they go out and get a loan on your house,
do you know how many notaries they would have to defraud,
how many defrauded or excuse me, fraudulent notaries they would
have to use, or banks that are stupid to.

Speaker 1 (02:12:37):
Loan money on a house.

Speaker 5 (02:12:39):
I mean, I mean, it just doesn't happen like they
say it does.

Speaker 1 (02:12:44):
Now. We have found cases.

Speaker 5 (02:12:46):
Where it has happened and the people had to fight
to get their house back. I'm not going to tell
you it never ever, ever happens, but they make it
sound like, oh my god, I'd better lock this title
where now I got the key. There's no locking. The
county doesn't have a mechanism to lock it. In fact,
I thought some counties were working on it. Dennis has

(02:13:09):
a quick comment on quit claim deeds go ahead, and
it's not quick as in fast. Everyone says quick claim deeds.
That's how I know they're morons, because what it is
is a quit I quit my claim and I'm conveying
it to you. It is a quit claim deed go ahead, Dennis.

Speaker 19 (02:13:30):
So, Tom, you just mentioned real briefly that some of
the counties are working on a process, and that's what
I was actually calling in about Thank you Douglas. I
know Douglas County has already got it in place. They're
going back and scanning all the deeds and any time
that your name as the owner of the property shows

(02:13:54):
up at the county for a change of anything, then
and they send you an email and notify you that
this and this happened.

Speaker 5 (02:14:05):
Wonderful, that's wonder And see you don't have to pay
for that, do you No.

Speaker 15 (02:14:09):
It's free.

Speaker 19 (02:14:10):
Yeah, and I think that that's something that most of
the counties are doing right now in Colorado.

Speaker 1 (02:14:16):
So why would you ever need a title lock? You don't,
of course not.

Speaker 5 (02:14:22):
Yeah, Okay, well, thank you very much. I appreciate that information, Dennis.
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(02:14:43):
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sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martino here three oh three
seven one three talk seven one three two five five Frank,

(02:15:06):
what's going on?

Speaker 8 (02:15:06):
Man?

Speaker 1 (02:15:07):
I want to try to squeeze you in here.

Speaker 5 (02:15:08):
I want to remind people of my money myway dot
com three oh three seven seven nine sixty six hundred
seven seven nine sixty six hundred. I'm going to try
to squeeze him in again, Frank. What's going on with
the collecting money from a contractor?

Speaker 8 (02:15:21):
Yeah? Can hear me?

Speaker 1 (02:15:22):
Yes? Are you Are you the contractor? Are you the client?

Speaker 25 (02:15:26):
I'm the contractor?

Speaker 5 (02:15:28):
Okay, and you can't collect well you know about leaning
property right?

Speaker 25 (02:15:33):
Oh yeah, but it's been it's almost a year now.

Speaker 1 (02:15:36):
Oh oh yeah, it's too it's too late. It's too late.
What is it owed for?

Speaker 25 (02:15:42):
Oh, sociding work?

Speaker 5 (02:15:45):
Are they let me ask you this, Frank? Are they
denying you did the work? Or are they saying it
wasn't good? What is their excuse for not paying?

Speaker 25 (02:15:52):
Well, no, they're not denying us. They're they're want to pay.
It's the problem is they trying to rEFInd us they
was insurable because they had bad sighting, so they contracted
us to replace it so it could be insured. Yeah,
and so in the process he was he's a veteran,
so he's been going to be a loan from some

(02:16:14):
company I guess.

Speaker 8 (02:16:15):
Uh and uh.

Speaker 25 (02:16:17):
So the son doesn't talk to them, but he's on
the deed, so he wouldn't go to the signing the
of I guess to pick for work to do the loan.
And so he's working to get him off.

Speaker 11 (02:16:33):
I guess.

Speaker 25 (02:16:33):
My question is that something he can do or or kicking.

Speaker 1 (02:16:37):
On and now he's on the deed? Is that right?

Speaker 5 (02:16:41):
You know, the son with the parents and so so
three of them are on the deed.

Speaker 1 (02:16:47):
Is that correct?

Speaker 25 (02:16:48):
Well, not the mom the mom, just the dad.

Speaker 1 (02:16:52):
The dad and the son are on the deed.

Speaker 5 (02:16:55):
Neither one of them can get rid of the other
without without the others consent.

Speaker 25 (02:17:02):
Okay, because he's been trying to do with the dogs
and the judge is going just you.

Speaker 19 (02:17:06):
Know, the court.

Speaker 16 (02:17:10):
Month.

Speaker 5 (02:17:10):
Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna get Brad O'Brien on the
air tomorrow. We're gonna talk about this because this happens
more than you think. If there are two people on
a deed, and there is no partnership agreement, then you
have to go through what's called the partnership laws in
the state. In other words, when people are when people

(02:17:31):
own something together in the absence of an agreement, there
is an implied agreement that the state has and then
unfortunately it calls for dissolution, which means they would have
to sell it and divide the proceeds.

Speaker 1 (02:17:50):
It really gets sticky.

Speaker 5 (02:17:52):
But I'm hoping Brad O'Brien would have another answer, Kachina,
would you get Brad O'Brien on tomorrow with this guy.

Speaker 1 (02:17:59):
This is a very important question.

Speaker 5 (02:18:01):
Okay, thank you, Jordan Piano, my moneymway dot com.

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