The Troubleshooter 8-4-25

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
So you don't have.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Come running just as fast as we can. Shoot's gonna
help coming.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Man. This is the Troubleshooter Show.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
No Tom Martino. Hey, hey, hey, Tom Martino here. Welcome
to the show, solving problems, answering questions, taking complaints, and
making your life a little easier, as I've been doing
for forty five years now. Listen, I got a special
treat for us today because I don't know about you,
but I went once in my life. It was the fiftieth.

(00:37):
It was the most amazing trip I ever made. I
flew up there in my little plane and it was
so outrageous. Sturgis now, I don't even know howser just began,
but it's a giant motorcycle rally. And my buddy biker,

(00:59):
old fart fellow, old fart, Peter Boyles on the phone
in Sturgis. Hey, Peter, is this the is? What year?
Is this?

Speaker 4 (01:10):
Eighty five?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
So I went to the fiftieth? Oh my god? Okay,
so eighty five is it bigger than ever? Or what?
What's going on? Man?

Speaker 5 (01:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 6 (01:22):
I need to tell you who's sitting with me. I
have a brother, Ugly Tom Gorman is from California, and
he's a historian about this too, and he and I
are sharing the show with you. So ugly Tom. This
is Tom Martinez, who.

Speaker 5 (01:35):
Could be ugly.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Also, Good morning, Tom, I got.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
Hey, good morning. Can you give me a rundown on
like how this dang thing just started? How did it start?

Speaker 6 (01:45):
Well, go ahead, I'll give it to Tom.

Speaker 7 (01:48):
Well, I will tell you that the only thing older,
the only thing older than Peter Boyles and Sturgis, is
the length of this rally. So eighty five years ago,
there was a bunch of huliguns that came to town
and they decided to have some Jackpine gypsy races and
what have you, and it evolved into what it is today.

Speaker 4 (02:07):
And that's eighty.

Speaker 7 (02:08):
Five years running strong, Tom. You said you're out here
at the fiftieth and that was probably the largest rally
that they've had since. However, this year, the eighty fifth rally,
it's probably going to exceed the amount of people that
we had at the fiftieth. Rolly, there may be six
to seven hundred thousand people out here this year.

Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know, when I was there that year, Sam Kennison
was performing, and you know he's since died, but man
was he crazy. Now this is a true story. I
when we went to places they would have parking bike
parking only, and then they had no Japanese bikes. I

(02:49):
swear to God there was a sign no Japanese bikes
and the Japanese bikes had to park somewhere else. Do
they still do that kind of blatant discrimination?

Speaker 6 (03:00):
Thomas Peter when the stories go, and Tom will back
it up. They used to once a year hang a
Japanese motorcycle up in the tree in city park and
cetered on fire.

Speaker 4 (03:11):
Tom, is that true?

Speaker 8 (03:12):
I've heard that story too. I wasn't here then, but
I'm sure of it.

Speaker 7 (03:15):
But you know, today it's evolved. It's a little more
Americana with you know, not everybody rides to Harley Davidson.
There's a lot of great motorcycles out there, So I
think the industry as a whole has changed, and there's
certainly a lot more Japanese motorcycles out here today than
than yesteryear.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
What what? What? What are some of the what are
some of the ones that compete in that in the
in the road you know, I mean, I know Japanese
bikes are crows, rocks and all that but as far
as other bikes, is Indians still a player, Trum still
a player. What are some of the ones you're seeing
in addition to Harley.

Speaker 7 (03:53):
Well, no doubt that the American biker is all about
Harley Davidson, and Harley Davidson has always held very large share.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Of the market.

Speaker 7 (04:01):
However, you mentioned Indian, and Indian was established in the
nineteen hundreds, I think nineteen oh one, and they've made
a very strong comeback in the last few years and
they're really putting out some amazing motorcycles today. I personally
I have an Indian.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
I enjoy it.

Speaker 7 (04:18):
It runs as nice as any Harley Davidson out there.
So it's not Harley Davidson. It's not at that level,
but it's certainly a worthy opponent for that type of
lifestyle and that kind of motorcycle. Other bikes are popular,
but nothing.

Speaker 4 (04:34):
More popular than Harley Davidson.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
Tommy it's Peters.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
Yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 6 (04:39):
I was going to say three years ago, Harley Davison went,
as people called it, woke, and Tom Gorman and I
were here when Harley went woke, and there was nobody Indians.
The guys were lined up test drive in Indians, and
I think that might have been a turning point. Also,
that was the same time the year before that, I

(05:01):
think the beer company went woke. Tom Gorman talk about that.

Speaker 7 (05:05):
Well, certainly at that time, woke was a big deal,
and bud Light went that way. And fortunately or unfortunately,
depending on your point of view, Harley Davidson went that way.
In this biker community, uh that that was not a
very popular move that Harley Davidson made. I mean, this
is Americana. These are old school American bikers, those of

(05:26):
us that have lived a wild that are still here.
And I hate to say, we just don't buy into
that woke theory.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
You know, this is the motive, Yeah, this is this.

Speaker 7 (05:36):
Is actually the Meca. The motorcycle industry is here right
now and it's not very woke.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Well you know, and and and it is what it is.
I mean, it's it is Americana. Now, Harley Davison is
listed as the most American made motorcycle and then Indian
would be second. But have you ever heard now now
I'm asking these there's a lot of there are a
lot of people who want to recap sure the feeling
of old with Harley for example, have you heard you

(06:04):
guys heard of zero motorcycles.

Speaker 7 (06:09):
I've heard of them.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
I think they're battery operated, aren't they kind of So
is that kind of like going to be that's going
to be? Is that ever going to take effect? Do
you ever feel that bikers, real bikers, will embrace evs
The keyword there.

Speaker 7 (06:26):
Is real bikers and the answer would be absolutely not.
Old school bikers are all about Harley Davidson, horsepower, getting
on the road, feeling winded, noise. Yeah, I mean so, no,
there's I wouldn't see that happening.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Tom Now, are there new Hold on one second, are
there new bikers being spawned? I mean? Or are? And
I mean that sincerely? Do you have younger people in
their twenties saying, hey, man, I want a Harley and
going that route? Or are they? Is it a dying breed?

Speaker 7 (07:02):
Well, certainly a lot of old school bikers are getting
to that point of older age. But I would consider
right now an old biker to be or excuse me,
a new biker to be like mid thirties.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
I don't see a whole lot of really young.

Speaker 7 (07:18):
People experiencing this lifestyle, but certainly guys that are thirty
five forty five fifty five are still considered somewhat new
to the.

Speaker 5 (07:27):
To the bike world.

Speaker 6 (07:28):
Tommy Peter Harley is experimenting with a motorcycle called a
Spark and it's an electric motorcycle and frankly our road one.
And they're quick as hell, but they might wow. Of
course they are, and they're just but they don't make
you know they Harley Davison, I understand from reading actually
copyrighted the noise that their pipes make when the motorcycles go,

(07:52):
they go potato, potato, potato. And if Japanese knocked that,
I'm going to ask Tom about it. But they were
going to knock the sound off, right, Tom, Well.

Speaker 7 (08:02):
If they were, that would be a mistake in the
biker world because, as you said earlier, everybody likes noise,
I mean, loud pipes, same lives. That's a that's an
expression that's often used. So I think we as American bikers,
we like the noise, we like the horse power.

Speaker 8 (08:17):
We want to go fast.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Now, when I was there, When I was there, there
were a lot of bikers, I don't know what you
call them, but they had their bikes trailered in and
they fly in there I swear to God, they flew
it in there, either their private jets or charters. Do
you still have the Do you call them the gentleman biker?
I don't know what you call them, rich bikers? Whatever
the hell you call them.

Speaker 7 (08:41):
Well, there are a lot of people that trander their
bikes in and they are called a number of different things.

Speaker 8 (08:47):
So now those I won't mention.

Speaker 9 (08:50):
Old school, old school.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
You're going to ride.

Speaker 7 (08:53):
It doesn't matter where you come from.

Speaker 6 (08:54):
You're going to ride.

Speaker 8 (08:56):
You're going to get to the eye of the storm.

Speaker 7 (08:57):
The eye of the storm has stirred us South Dakota
this and much respect to.

Speaker 8 (09:02):
All of those that do make that ride.

Speaker 7 (09:04):
However, it is hard. That's a hard ride, depending on
whether and boat conditions and expenses and what have you.
A lot of people have some very beautiful bikes that
are you know, made for show, and they like to
stick them in the trailer, drive out, pop them out
of the trailer, run them down Main Street.

Speaker 8 (09:20):
And I think that's okay too.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I can't believe, now, I'm serious, man, that that Peter
got his eighty year old ass up there on a
bike and he calls me. He calls me and he says,
I'm here already, and I thought you just freaking left.
I mean, Peter, did you guys literally just go straight through.

Speaker 6 (09:40):
We left at four in the morning, and we stopped
in Chyenne for breakfast and gas. Then we went to
touringson and picked up another friend, and then we came
straight in. I think we were black gas and sun Dance,
and then we were in Sturgess. That I mean, it
takes about seven hours, seven and a half hours, and

(10:02):
it's an eighty one year old ass. It's an eighty
one year old ass.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Oh, I'm sorry, eighty one year old ass. Okay, I
hope we can see a ninety year old ass later on.
Hey listen, Peter. So, so, as you know, Peter was
with me at the one hundredth anniversary of KOA, which
is an iheartstation here. Started out with General Electric and
we were the I don't know if you knew this, Peter,
we're the oldest ones there, you and I. They didn't

(10:25):
even acknowledge that, but we were the oldest ones there
as far as on the air, longest and we lasted
so as far as sturgis though. Basically, do they have
who's the big headliner? This year.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
Well Hank Junior played last night. Believe it or not,
Marilyn Manson's playing here. There's a list of the easy
Tops playing, but there's noe of these big campgrounds where
they have bands. I was at an industry show last
night on at the Buffalo Chip and I went there's
a place called the Full Throttle Saloon that burned, and

(11:03):
I went to the new Full Throttle with the Sheriff
Raemes from Well County and Steve Wells.

Speaker 5 (11:08):
I think you might know.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
And it's still still nuts, and I still love it.
It's still noisy, and still I don't know. There's a
I said this before Louis Armstrong, who liked to be
called Lewis. He didn't like being called Louis. Once, when
asked about explaining his music, there can you explain jazz?
And Armstrong said, if I have to explain it to you,

(11:31):
you will never understand it. And I say that about
coming to Surgency. If I have to write Surgence to you,
then I mean the first time I ever came here,
I don't know, it's thirty years maybe for me a
little more. I loved it right away.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
So Peter Peter that you know, you've been sending me
some snapshots, some of which I may show on my
YouTube feed with your permission, but I can't. But I
take it there don't force any kind of public exposure laws.
I mean, you know some of the things. I mean,

(12:08):
I swear to God. I mean tops are optional, I guess.
And speaking of that ZZ top are they aren't they
going to be there this year?

Speaker 5 (12:18):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (12:18):
Yeah, they're here. I mean I think they play. What
night do they play home? I'm not sure what night
they play. I believe they're playing at the Buffalo Chat
and they are.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Just and Gene, Gene Simmons I heard, is going to
be there. That's pretty damn cool. Okay, I got to
run there. They're run, They're they're they're telling me I
got to run. Thank you very much guys for being here.
I appreciated Peter Boyles and Tom the Historian, and we
appreciate the time we got. More of the Troubleshooter show
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six eight looks talks to let me let me get
my mouth straight. Kristin, I believe it is, and she

(13:53):
wants to talk about home insurance. Kristin, what's happening with you?

Speaker 10 (13:59):
Well, I've had insurance with Progressive from my home and
my vehicles for years, and I received a non renewal email?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Why home?

Speaker 10 (14:09):
Why they stay because of fire threat?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Wait, wait a minute, what is it? Do you live
in an area where there were a lot of fires
or did you guys have some claims?

Speaker 10 (14:20):
No, I live in the middle of Palmer Lake. I'm
not down in the lower area that is full of
the forest. They just said they weren't going to renew
me and I found it.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Is it just your home or your auto?

Speaker 10 (14:35):
Just my home?

Speaker 1 (14:38):
Okay? And okay, I don't get it. And they're dropping
your home and they said to you due to fire
risk or hey, Kelly, while I'm talking, would you get
a Compass on while I'm talking, because I'd like to
see what they have to say about this. They represent
progressive and a lot more so you're ensured by progressive.
They're not renewing, okay, And they said fire danger.

Speaker 10 (15:03):
Yes, okay, finding another company.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
And I wish you would have called the Compass insurance.
I really do, only because well I already spoke.

Speaker 10 (15:13):
To them this morning.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
Uh huh, get me A called this morning.

Speaker 10 (15:17):
And he couldn't help it anyway.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh really, So what was the issue? What is the issue?
Are you in a high risk area or what.

Speaker 10 (15:26):
They say it is, but I don't know why everyone
else has insurance and I can't find any You.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Mean everyone in your neighbor everyone in your neighborhood you're
talking about. Yeah, yeah, that's.

Speaker 11 (15:38):
What's the old say.

Speaker 10 (15:39):
And they wanted me to cut down every tree on
my property and I've already taken out.

Speaker 9 (15:43):
Over thirty trees.

Speaker 10 (15:45):
I took down a forty year old lilac bush that
I cried.

Speaker 12 (15:47):
The whole time.

Speaker 10 (15:49):
They still say it's not good enoughing that they're going
to drop me.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Well, you mean the new company's going to drop you.

Speaker 10 (15:56):
Yes, it'll be the second one.

Speaker 1 (15:59):
Okay, who did you find all states?

Speaker 5 (16:04):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (16:04):
My god? And so well. I mean, I still want
to talk to Brian just in general, if we can
get a hold of him. I just can't believe this.
You are totally without insurance if you don't cut down.
And because they're all telling you the same thing, you're saying, right, everybody.

Speaker 10 (16:26):
Wanted to do a home inspection, and I mean they said,
there's a leaf under your deck, We're not going to
cover you. It's just insane what they're expecting me to
do to.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Do and well we well, okay, you're not being singled
out are you. I mean, have you talked to your neighbors?
I would have done that and said, hey, neighbor, how
are you being insured?

Speaker 10 (16:49):
I did do that, and I spoke to my closest
neighbor and he told me he has an American family.

Speaker 12 (16:55):
And how much he paid.

Speaker 10 (16:56):
I called and got a quote, and it's double when
I'm paying now.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Okay, so you can get well, you mean you can't
afford it or you don't want.

Speaker 12 (17:06):
To exactly, so I can't afford it.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
I'm okay, give me an idea. What were you paying
with Progressive?

Speaker 10 (17:14):
With Progressive I was paying three thousand, okay?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
And with and with American Family? Oh no, excuse me?
Who are you with now? American Family? All State? Oh
oh that's right, you said that. So how much are
you paying now?

Speaker 3 (17:31):
With all State?

Speaker 5 (17:34):
Five?

Speaker 1 (17:36):
It actually went down? Okay, well that's good. And then
and now the quote you got.

Speaker 10 (17:42):
Was what with American Family? It was five thousand.

Speaker 1 (17:49):
You're not I'm telling you, man, I don't know what
you're going to. I think you're going to. I don't know.
Now I'm going to try to get Look, you already
talked to Compass, and Jeremy said, there is nothing they
can do. Is that what you're saying? Yes, correct, I
gotta believe I need to talk to Brian Kachina. How

(18:13):
are we coming on that one real quick? Are you
getting him on is? He responded, Brian is actually on vacation.

Speaker 13 (18:19):
So I'm trying to get a hold of Jeremy right
now and or.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Get Matt on Matt if Matt's there, Matt is his partner,
Matt Creneo, Brian Burns and get Jeremy or someone Christen
hang on. I just want to explore what's going on,
and I'd like to ask other people if they're having
similar problems with this. In fact, and speaking of other people,
I have a Chris console with me and he's with

(18:44):
discount that dot com. Chris, have you you're not in
the country or near any trees? Are you?

Speaker 5 (18:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
But have you has your home insurance gone up?

Speaker 14 (18:52):
Yeah? So I actually have a house that is near trees.
And then we got hit with that tornado a couple
of years ago. And what did.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
They what about renewal? Was it expensive? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (19:02):
It was.

Speaker 14 (19:03):
They got canceled after we filed a claim and then
it doubled.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
Can you imagine paying for home? This is what pisses
me off. You pay for insurance and when you use
it they punish you. Now, I mean, why should they
You have already been paying. They ensured the risk, they
pay the claim. It's not like you have excessive claims.

(19:27):
You had one claim, one.

Speaker 14 (19:30):
Claim and they canceled you roughsiting deck and some windows.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
I don't know its roughly forty thousand and they.

Speaker 1 (19:39):
Yeah, so they looked at you as not worth having.
They didn't even offer an increased premium. Nope, just people.
I'd like to know your homeowner's insurance experiences, if you
have any, it would be really I do. I want
to gather some information here, possibly for a post or
an article. I'm Tom Martino three O three seven one

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(21:13):
my god? You would think after fifty years of doing radio,
I would know that. Okay, now we are. We have
Jeremy on from Compass and Kristen. Now, Jeremy, she talked
to you this morning, right.

Speaker 9 (21:29):
Kristin, Yeah, I did talk to her this morning and.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
She was insured with Progressive for three grand and then
she got all State for twenty five hundred. Now it's
going up to five grand. You guys can't find anything better?

Speaker 9 (21:48):
No, Unfortunately, the broker companies aren't doing so great in
the mountains right now or the foothills.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
And you're you're saying you mean you're independent guys like
you correct, right right?

Speaker 9 (22:01):
Why a lot of the just because they're they're not
taking business up there.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I mean right now, they just they would rather not
have the business.

Speaker 9 (22:10):
Basically, they would rather not have the business. Yeah, I
mean a lot of the So the problem is with
with the independent companies. If one of our companies says, hey,
we'll we'll do business up there, then they're going to
get flooded with all of those policies, right, and so
there's that we need all of those companies to come

(22:31):
back so that they could even lead take them on.
But I am optimistic and I told Kristin that, you know,
we should see some more companies opening back up to
take business up there.

Speaker 4 (22:43):
We're just not quite there yet.

Speaker 1 (22:45):
So Kristen, I don't I mean you you're going to
have to do it. I mean right, I mean your
house is mortgaged. I take it. Yeah, And they require insurance.
You ought to add where Jeremy, is this stupid to
ask them if they would do a force insurance just

(23:06):
for to cover their loan. That would be so foolhardy
in my opinion. But there's no lossing these homeowners insurance.

Speaker 9 (23:15):
No, the only entity requiring the insurance is their mortgage.
The force place coverage is really more coverage for the
bank than anything.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
That's what I mean.

Speaker 9 (23:25):
But if she did that, I mean she also found
a state farm policy that was quite a bit lower
than the American family one.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Kristen, what about the state farm?

Speaker 10 (23:37):
Well, at the state Farm, I'm actually waiting for a
call back. They gave me a quote over a week
ago and never returned my phone calls. So I was
still searching because it's it's more than it's about twelve
hundred dollars more than what I'm paying now, and the
coverage on my truck tripled for months, Oh my god,

(23:58):
waiting to get a call to find out, you know,
if I can change people are on the truck to
just try to compensate for the.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Career of the house. But if you get really creative, Jeremy,
would raising deductibles or all kinds of that ACV? Would
that help? Absolutely?

Speaker 5 (24:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (24:18):
And I went over those with her. Those are you know,
you got to see the value in it, and it's
not something I would just recommend everyone do. But there's
also just you know, I mean, if she's at three
thousand or thirty five hundred for that location, there's people
in Highlands Ranch paying way more than that, and it's
not nearly as risky. So there's also just the this

(24:41):
is kind of what insurance costs now, and it's a
lot more than what it used to be, like a
lot of things, and at some point you do want
to make those changes if you can. You want to
understand those risks and make sure there's enough value and
something's better than nothing kind of.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
And by the way, she's not she's not on around
thirty five hundreds. She's a five grand right now. But Jeremy,
I always appreciate your expertise suggestion.

Speaker 15 (25:09):
A question for Jeremy.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Tom, Yeah, this is BO Deputy BO. Go ahead, Jeremy.

Speaker 15 (25:14):
Isn't it true if you get turned down by two
or three insurance companies that the Department of Regulatory Agencies
Division of Insurance will step in and find an insurance
through the State of Colorado for people.

Speaker 9 (25:29):
Well, they're coming up with the state plan by I
think what you're referencing. Maybe once you're declined by three companies,
you can go to the surplus lines, which I discussed
with Kristen. They're going to be more expensive, so.

Speaker 1 (25:45):
It's a surplus line is code for high risk, high.

Speaker 9 (25:49):
Risk right, it's a non admitted carrier, so they can
take on risks because they're those policies are not approved
by the Department of Insurance.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
And by the way, Jeremy, by the way, a state
farm was going to make her cut down lots of trees,
and that might be one of the issues. I mean,
it used to be having heavily treated was wonderful. Now
it's going to cause havoc for you. I appreciate it, Jeremy.
And remember, here's the deal. Compass Insurance will do a

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going on in your life? Three oh three Martino? People,
three oh three, Martino, what's going on? David?

Speaker 6 (26:51):
Yes, I'm out of town and I'm a sub leashed
industrial building here in Colorado.

Speaker 4 (26:58):
It's a month a month rental.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
So wait, so wait, so you are the tenant. Is
that what you're saying?

Speaker 4 (27:04):
Yes, okay, go ahead, Yeah, my contact has my proper
contract address if I'm at for any notifications of change.
The landlord actually went out of business, I found out,
and has taken all my belongings for my industry and
has also thrown out some specific equipment.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
Wait a minute, David, Wait a minute. You didn't know that.
You show up and your stuff's missing.

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yeah, it's quite a shocker to me.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Okay, hold on, man, please hold on. We'll come right
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(28:48):
let's talk about this subleasing. When you said subleasing, here's
what I need to know. So someone was leasing from
the landlord that disappeared.

Speaker 12 (28:56):
Is that right correct?

Speaker 1 (28:59):
And then you leased from that person. So the landlord's responsibility,
unless he was a party to the sub lease, is
only to his tenant. Now what I need to know
is this, because this is a little complicated, was the
land did the landlord bless the sub lease?

Speaker 4 (29:19):
Absolutely, We've been doing okay with them for twenty five years.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
Well, hold on, So you were, in essence no longer subleasing.
You basically took over the lease.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
No. No, I subleased from a landlord who less from
the owner of the building.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Okay, So who took off the owner of the building
or the guy you were paying for.

Speaker 4 (29:42):
The sub lease A guy I was paying for the sublief.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Okay. That makes it easier legally. Okay, So the building
owner is out of it completely. Now, yes, sir, here's
what I want to know. Where did he go and
what did he take what are we talking about here?

Speaker 4 (30:00):
So I'm pretty sure that they have another business. So
they consolidated, and I'm trying to track down where.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
I mean, you got no notice and you were up
on rent and everything, Yes, sir? And when did he
take off?

Speaker 4 (30:16):
Let's see, I think it would be a month ago,
maybe a month and a half because when I showed
up to the building there was a new tenant in
there and they're like, hey, what are you doing? And
some of my equipment was actually out by a dumpster.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Okay, what did the landlord take? I need to know
how much is it worth? What did the landlord take?

Speaker 4 (30:38):
Several thousand dollars worth of equipment?

Speaker 5 (30:41):
Thanksful?

Speaker 1 (30:42):
What tell me exactly what it is?

Speaker 5 (30:45):
That?

Speaker 4 (30:46):
The things of fafety for doing maneuvers, for learning how
to be like a skydiver, a VMX biker, things of
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once you are launched into the air.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Got it? Now do you know anything about where he is?

Speaker 4 (31:13):
I have a couple leads and.

Speaker 8 (31:17):
I'm now, are you in Colorado now or not?

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (31:20):
I just got in, yes, sir, and this is when.

Speaker 1 (31:23):
You found out. Okay, you need to put in a
police report no matter what, just put in. I'm not
saying they're going to go out looking for him, but
at least it'll set the stage. Do you have any insurance?

Speaker 4 (31:36):
I'm self insured for this company, so that's that's not
the problem. It's just trying to recover the equipment because it's
all specialized that I build it and or it has
to be especially designed.

Speaker 1 (31:49):
And how much would you if you had to put
a price on it without exaggerating, what would it be? Okay, Okay,
you can always do a small claims court for seventy
five hundred. That would help you get some of the money.
If this guy is even around you. You know, we

(32:09):
have deputies that would go by and see and literally
do some reconnaissance for you, but we have to have
more of a lead.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, how do I get in touch? I can definitely
help you out with Well, let.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Me find one that wants to do this, because we
do some We have some that do legwork like this
all the time.

Speaker 16 (32:30):
Yeah, what what part of so Tom? What part of
town are we talking about it? And what is the
thing David?

Speaker 5 (32:34):
It is?

Speaker 1 (32:34):
I think, right, David, what part of town are we
talking about?

Speaker 17 (32:38):
It?

Speaker 5 (32:38):
Is the.

Speaker 4 (32:41):
I think it's Littleton and or Colorado's what's between Littleton
and Colorado Springs? What is that.

Speaker 16 (32:51):
Batch Castle Rock, Castle Pops or part Castle Rock?

Speaker 4 (32:56):
Okay, between those two.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
Hey, that's where the rental unit is or where he
went or he went.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
Well, I'll be happy to drive by, but what is it?

Speaker 5 (33:06):
What is it thing?

Speaker 3 (33:07):
You need me to drive by?

Speaker 1 (33:08):
We want to see what equipment he's got there. And
he has his guy's equipment.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
So that's where the landlord supposedly took the caller's equipment. Yes,
and is it a storage?

Speaker 1 (33:18):
That's what I want to know. I want to know
what is it? Is it a business? That's a good question.
D What what is he doing right now in this place?
Is it a place where a customer where we can
say we're interested in looking at this service or that service?
What kind of business is this guy in right now?

Speaker 4 (33:36):
Please allow me to be vague in case there are some.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Okay, I'm gonna you know what, I'm going to have
you v vague like this. I'm going to take you
off the air and have you talk to and have
a D call you right now during the show.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
I'll be happy to do it right now.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Yeah, let's let's just do it. Hold on David, okay,
and then what we'll do is see if D what
D things, because we want to know what business in
If we can feign some interest in that businesusiness and
maybe just get a look inside or whatever, we'll we'll
figure it out. Kendra. Oh, I'm sorry, Kendra, we're running
out of time. We'll come right back to please say

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kind of like a checklist for life. Kendra now wants
to talk about a recall for twenty fifteen Jeep Cherokee. Kendra,
I'm not aware of this particular one. Can you help
me out? What does it have to do with.

Speaker 13 (37:08):
It has to do with the transmission and basically it's
a recall that was issued due to a faulty transmission component.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
So when, okay, when was it issued? Do you know?

Speaker 13 (37:26):
I don't know when it was issued, but I have
a letter that Jeep has on their website.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah. I just looked at it. Yeah, okay, Now this
is recall. Are you talking about what? The National Highway
Traffic Safety Administration. Do you did you look it up
there or just on their website? The jeep manufacturer, I believe,
refers to this. I'm on their website and I'm also
on the NHTSA, the National Highway Traffic Safety So apparently

(37:56):
it does affect the safety. It's a two thousand and
fifteen Jeep Cherokee and certain twenty fourteen. Now you obviously
have this certain nine speed transmission, and they say that
the transactual sensor wiring harness could cause basically a sudden

(38:17):
shift into neutral.

Speaker 13 (38:20):
Right, correct?

Speaker 1 (38:21):
So what can we do for you?

Speaker 13 (38:24):
Well, we took it into when my son was writing
the car, and it actually died. It did at an intersection.
He was luckily able to get it over to the side,
get it back in the year, and then drive it
to our mechanic who put it on and did the

(38:44):
air code which it's giving like a P one seven
to zero dashes.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Yeah, that doesn't mean anything to us. But anyway, hey, Kelly,
see you can get Kimera transmission on if you can,
if not, get Kevin Coulkin while we're talking, put down
the mimosa. Okay, So anyway, what happened, then what did
your mechanic do?

Speaker 12 (39:05):
Okay?

Speaker 13 (39:05):
So what happened was our mechanic realized that this was
a factory recall.

Speaker 1 (39:11):
Yes, so he had.

Speaker 13 (39:14):
He printed off all of the recall information. My son
drove the car to Automation Chrysler Jeep and they charged
him two hundred and ninety three dollars to do a
diagnosis on it. It came back.

Speaker 1 (39:31):
Well, okay, hold on a sec hold on now, recalls
are some recalls are covered by the factory. I just
need to know was this one of the ones that
would be covered under normal circumstance. But they so what
they're going to say is, well, we didn't charge for
the recall. We just had to make sure it was
and there was a diagnostic charge, okay. And what was

(39:53):
the name of the dealer that charged it was a
did you say Autoation.

Speaker 13 (39:58):
Yeah, Chrysler Jeep and on Easter Rapaho Road.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Okay.

Speaker 13 (40:03):
And so it came back after three days of being there,
and they're basically saying that they verified, concerned found codes
and listed that same code and another code. It says
upon inspection removed the skid plate that was installed with
non factory hardware. So they are not honoring the recall

(40:29):
because they're claiming that the skid plate had different bolts
put in, which has.

Speaker 8 (40:36):
Nothing to do with this job.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
I know exactly what you're talking about. This sounds like
a piece of garbage that you know what, here's what happens.
I've had cases like this in the past where someone
alters something and as you say, for example, I'm going
to give a stupid example. If you alterate, if you
altern or use alternative parts after market, they void onearranties.

(41:00):
We had one, i think, where someone put a scoop
on their hood, right and there was something wrong with
the there was something wrong with the rear axle. And
they tried to say, well, you put a scoop on
your hood for air. You know. It's just ridiculous. So,
and here's what's weird, though, AutoNation is not doing this too,
because Autoation will get paid from the manufacturer. Autoation wants

(41:24):
to do this recall.

Speaker 13 (41:26):
No, they do not, Tom, they do not the assail What.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Do you mean they do. You're telling me that on
mandatory recalls, dealers are not reimbursed by the manufacturer. That's
that wrong.

Speaker 13 (41:39):
They are, Tom. But this guy justin bantalk, which is
the service manager is refusing to send it in because
he says, if he sends it in on the factory
recall and they tell him that this has been altered,
he doesn't get paid.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Oh, I see charge. That's what I'm getting at. But listen,
all we're talking about is this an aftermarket skid plate itself?

Speaker 13 (42:07):
You know, I don't know, Tom, I don't believe.

Speaker 1 (42:09):
So I well, what exactly did they say? What did
they say? They said the skid plate? What exactly did
they say about it? They said, because the skid plate
was put in with the wrong screws. Correct, yes, yes,
And what would that have to do with with the
transmission exactly? Okay, that's where I need one of my experts,

(42:31):
Jeff Fick. Let me bring up Jeff Fic Kimera transmission. Jeff,
have you heard? First of all, I want to ask you,
have you heard about the twenty fifteen jeep Cherokee having
a recall on the transmission because it suddenly shifts into neutral.

Speaker 20 (42:46):
Yeah, there's two different reasons for that. One of them
is electric and one of them's mechanic mechanicals.

Speaker 5 (42:50):
So yeah, both of them can do it.

Speaker 20 (42:52):
They update the software in there so that because otherwise
what happens was SERPs out the splines in between the
transportations transmission, which will call it no no move or
a neutral condition because a trice of avert.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Okay to those weeks.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Now here's what I want to know. First of all,
they're not honoring it because they say their skid plate
they have on there was improperly installed. And of course
I don't think it has anything to do with it.
What do you think?

Speaker 20 (43:24):
No, I should have absolutely nothing to do with it.

Speaker 5 (43:26):
I mean, have you.

Speaker 1 (43:27):
Ever had recalls? First of all, with a recall, is
she allowed to go to an independent shop like yours
and work through the manufacturer? Or must they go to
a dealer?

Speaker 20 (43:36):
They must go to a dealer. The only way we
could do it if in the event, but you know
the dealer couldn't get it in and they decided to
go ahead and like grant us permission, but they have
to get back from the manufacturer.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
So but have you heard ever of people having recalls
and warranty issues not covered due to aftermarket stuff.

Speaker 5 (43:54):
Not on a safety recall?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Now that's what I don't they see. I think I
would be inclined to go to another Jeep dealer. That's
what I Kendra, did you try just for poofs and grins?
What's that?

Speaker 13 (44:08):
Well, that's what he told us, to go to another
Jeep dealer. But the car is unstaffed to drive.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Well, hold on now, Kendra, Kendra, Kendra, Kendra. Let's bring
this back to earth. It's unsafe to drive if people
don't know about it. If you drive it safely, and
the most that happens it shifts into neutral. It's not
like it jams you up and you're going to get
into a crash or start a fire. I think you

(44:35):
could easily, Jeff, I might be wrong on this, but
can't they be driven? I'm the worse that's going to
happen is a shift into neutral. Now. I can see
where this could happen in the mountains or somewhere, or
in traffic where it could be dangerous. But if you're
prepared for it, I mean, it's not really Ah, I
don't know, Jeff, what do you think?

Speaker 18 (44:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 20 (44:56):
I mean potentially you could drive it. I mean the
biggest caution that would use that was one of those
that you also do not have parks, So if you
leave the vehicle they could leave without you.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Wait a minute, so if that happens on a hill,
they can still drive the damn thing. They can put
it back. In other words, if it's shifted into neutral,
can they simply put it back and drive and start driving,
you know, like put their brake on, shift it back
into drive and keep going.

Speaker 5 (45:23):
No. No, it's going to remain in a neutral state.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
Oh oh, oh oh, so you'd have to have a
toad kender. I don't know how to get around it.
I mean, I don't know how to get around it.
What I don't understand is why AutoNation is taking the stance.
To me, it makes no sense. It makes no sense whatsoever.
I don't know what their game is, but that skid
play can't possibly affect what they're doing. Hey, Bo, can

(45:47):
you call over to them?

Speaker 15 (45:48):
Deputy Bows And I have a suggestion. I've been reading
online that there's several Chrysler dealerships that do not want
to address this transmission.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
Why why you know?

Speaker 15 (45:59):
It doesn't say? I think it's I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
I wonder if they're not being reimbursed a lot of
money and it's a pain in the ass.

Speaker 15 (46:06):
I think Kendra should call talk to the service manager
at AutoNation and get some sort of permission letter for
Jeff Vic at Camera Transmission to work on it.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
No, it's not the permission. Wait wait wait wait wait I.

Speaker 15 (46:21):
If she gets authorization to go to Jeff Thick.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Well okay, but can you start out? Let's Kendrick. Kendrick
called us rupt. So here's what I'd like you to do.
If you could for me call over there and say,
listen a skid plate. Really, you know, is there a
possibility if you can you give authorization for an outside
shop to do or or just discuss it with him
bo because really I don't understand why they're turning this

(46:45):
down and ask him off the record, why are so
many dealers turning down this recall? So let's just Kendra.
That's the way we're going to start out. We're going
to help you with a couple of phone calls here, yes,
all right, to see what we can find out. Jeffick
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home with Remax Alliance three oh three nine two zero
sixteen twenty two. Hey, I'm Tom Maratsino. You're a troubleshooter. Yeah, yeah,
I love doing what I do. If you can't tell,
I don't know why aamber, Wow, this is something we
haven't handled in a long time. You know, I hear

(48:11):
a kitas are aggressive, But anyway, what's going There are
people that say there are no such things as friendly
or aggressive breeds. People make them that way, and I'm
not sure if that's true or not, But anyway, tell
us your story.

Speaker 21 (48:27):
Yeah, thank you for taking my call. So I was
not home when the incident occurred.

Speaker 1 (48:35):
And is this your dog by the way, Yeah, so
it's my dog and he was home with my sister's
dog as well when this happened. Okay, and what happened?

Speaker 21 (48:48):
So honestly, I'm not one sure what happened. I was
not home, the door was shut. My brother got home before.

Speaker 1 (48:57):
I got home. He said he got.

Speaker 21 (49:00):
Home and the cops were there, Animal control was there.
He was going up the stairs.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
How'd the dog get out? By the way, how'd the
dog get out? Well?

Speaker 21 (49:10):
That's that's the key to this whole thing, is I
believe that the two kids opened my door because I
have witnesses that say the dog was not out before
or after the incident. He was only out at the
time of the attack.

Speaker 1 (49:24):
Okay, so the dog was inside your house?

Speaker 21 (49:29):
Yeah, the dog was inside my house.

Speaker 1 (49:31):
He is it a boarder girl dog, boy or girl dog? Uh?

Speaker 8 (49:35):
Mail?

Speaker 1 (49:37):
So he was inside the house. And why would were
they people familiar with your house? I mean, are they
friends of your kids or just two random kids walk
up and open the door?

Speaker 21 (49:50):
Two random kids? They don't even live in our apartment complex,
and I can't come on.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
So wait, So I mean, I mean, this is hard
for me to believe. Amber. You're telling me that two
kids are walking back your house and they say, why
don't we go up there and open the door and
let this dog out? How did they even know there
was a dog in there?

Speaker 21 (50:09):
I have no idea, no idea.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
Then I don't believe the story. I don't believe the
story because there's two scenarios. One that random kids just
said let's just open the door, or they saw the
dog at the door barking and said let's open it.
And if they saw a dog in there barking, nobody
in their right mind is going to open the door
and say let's let it come out and bark at us.
I mean, I don't know, Amber. I'm not saying I

(50:31):
don't believe that this happened, the bite or whatever, but
I don't believe that you can shirk responsibility by saying
someone let them out random kids walking by. By the way,
did please ever locate random kids? The kids?

Speaker 21 (50:47):
Yeah, so the kids were there. I know for a
fact that, oh.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Oh, because one of them. Hold on, so one of
those kids are the ones that got bitten or did
both correct?

Speaker 21 (50:58):
One of the kids got bit but I was for
an hour before the incident happened.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Okay, I get it. So one of those kids got
bit after letting. Did the kids admit they let the
dog out? No?

Speaker 21 (51:11):
And their statement that they gave the police doesn't match
the statement my neighbors gave me.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
Okay, what were you going to say?

Speaker 17 (51:19):
Date?

Speaker 16 (51:19):
So I was going to ask her what are the
two statements? What do the police allege happened? And what
do your neighbors say.

Speaker 1 (51:26):
That's a very good point first and foremost, let's what
did the kids say?

Speaker 21 (51:32):
So I only because I had court this morning, I
requested the discovery. But the prosecutor this morning told me
that there was two kids involved. They were at the
pool and one of the kids was missing, so the
kid's sister went to look for him. They found my
dog barking and the girl came up, and then my
dog bit the girl. And then that's basically the only

(51:56):
statement given. But when I talked to the two other
neighbors that witness it, they said the incident happened on
the third floor, which the cops are saying it happened
on the second floor.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Or that'll hold on a second. Wait a minute, Wait
a minute, Wait a minute, these floors. Is this a
single family home or an apartment complex?

Speaker 21 (52:17):
This is an apartment complex.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
Do you have an entrance on the ground floor.

Speaker 21 (52:23):
No, so it's an outside building.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
What I mean is does your entrance go to the outside.
Can you enter and exit from the outside?

Speaker 8 (52:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (52:35):
And what floor are you on?

Speaker 21 (52:38):
I'm on the third floor.

Speaker 1 (52:40):
And when you exit your door or enter, are you
entering from like a terrace right, like a porch or
a decking? Yes, sir, okay, So they the third So
they were up on the third floor.

Speaker 21 (52:55):
And I have three witnesses that saw me shut the door.
I know I shut the door, but I left it
unlocked because my daughter was on her way home. So
I have three witnesses that saw the door shut. And
it's a circle door handle. It's not like the dog
could just open the door handle.

Speaker 1 (53:09):
It's shut right, So somehow, But why would these kids
on the third floor, walking on the decking suddenly open
that door? Do you think they were trying to be
funny or what? I'm serious?

Speaker 21 (53:24):
No, that's a legitimate question that I've been asking, trying
to ask Animal control.

Speaker 4 (53:28):
And the police.

Speaker 21 (53:28):
Is I don't understand why they were opening the door.
They had to have opened the door because I was
gone for at least an hour when the incidents happened.
So you're telling me my dog was vicious enough to
attack somebody, but he was good enough to sit there
for an hour and not leave the apartment until these
kids came upstairs to the third floor. It just doesn't
make any sense.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
But the neighbors are saying the door was closed and
the dog couldn't have gotten out.

Speaker 21 (53:54):
The neighbors said they didn't see the dog out before or.

Speaker 11 (53:57):
After the incident.

Speaker 16 (53:58):
Did anybody tell me in a second amber amber, did
anybody see the kids open the door to your apartment?

Speaker 1 (54:06):
No?

Speaker 21 (54:07):
So nobody saw the kids actually open the door.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
But I k okay, no one saw the kids open
the door. Did anyone notice the dog outside before the
kids walked by? No, So, your neighbors say the door
was closed, the dog wasn't there. Then all of a sudden,
these kids say it was bitten.

Speaker 21 (54:31):
Right he My neighbor right below me was outside on
his patio smoking a cigarette, and he said he did
not see my dog out before the incident, but he hurt.

Speaker 1 (54:39):
Let me ask you this, though, Let me ask you this,
No matter how the dog got out. It doesn't matter
in this case, by the way, just so you know,
it's not the cause, it's it's the outcome. They should
have they should have explained that to you. You're trying
to build a defence that my dog wouldn't have hurt anyone,
that he was provoked, and I understand that. What did

(55:03):
the prosecutor say about that?

Speaker 21 (55:08):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Really are they Do you think they're going to ask
for the dog to be destroyed?

Speaker 21 (55:14):
No, I don't think they're going to ask for the
dog to be destroyed.

Speaker 1 (55:18):
What do you think is going to happen? And what
are you what is your basic message today? What are
you calling us about?

Speaker 21 (55:25):
Well, I just I'm not sure if there's a way
to get this dropped, because the incident never would have
happened had they had the door knock been opened. And
I know for a fact when I left it the
door was shuted.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
You know what. Now, usually you get charges drop if
they're not serious with a discussion with the prosecutor off
not in court, you go and have a meeting with them.
Did did the prosecutor who is the prosecutor the city
attorney in this case or the district attorney.

Speaker 21 (55:56):
I'm not sure what the difference is.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
There is a difference. A district attorney is for a
district and it's for serious crime, and the city attorney
takes on minor city issues like animal control. Is this
particular one the prosecutor? When you say prosecutor, did he
or she identify themselves as from the district attorney's office

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or from the city.

Speaker 11 (56:23):
I couldn't honestly tell you.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
I believe it. Could you ask for a conference with
the prosecutor?

Speaker 21 (56:32):
Okay, I'm not Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
That's what people it's called a pre trial. It's it's
called a pre trial conference, and many times attorneys would
rather do that. They don't want to litigate this thing.
I mean, you know, and you don't tell The worst
thing you ever say to was someone in a pre
trial is I can't afford an attorney or I don't
have an attorney. The best thing to say is before

(56:57):
we litigate this, I would rather settle it, and and
that the words you use are very important. If they
feel they have a fight on their hands over this,
unless it's very serious, they're gonna want to settle it now.
If it's serious, they're gonna They're gonna go after you
no matter what how serious was the injury.

Speaker 21 (57:18):
She did have a bite wound. It was not like
he didn't grab her and rip her, but it was
like a warning bite on her legs, and there was
definitely U two or three punctures.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Okay, So where does it stand right now? Go ahead,
first d with your observation, Amber.

Speaker 5 (57:37):
So Joe A.

Speaker 16 (57:38):
Zero, he's a criminal defense attorney that we work with
quite often. He has a free initial consultation.

Speaker 4 (57:44):
I'm really bad, I can't really hear you.

Speaker 5 (57:46):
That's okay.

Speaker 16 (57:47):
So Joe zero has a free initial consultation and sounds
to me like you might be getting in over your
head already in what could potentially be a very serious matter.
If this kid pretends to be gravely injured down the.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
Road, well, is it a miss mean or a felony?
Do you know?

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Well, I'm worried about the civil life.

Speaker 16 (58:03):
The civilis Oh yes, Amber, do you understand what he's
talking about when he says the civil side.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
Yeah, you got to get together with Joe.

Speaker 1 (58:14):
This is what it means. I don't mean to interrupt you.
What it means is, even if they drop the criminal charge,
if this girl is disfigured or has scars or pretends to. Well, yeah,
but you can't pretend to be disfigured. But what I'm
saying is, if she has scars that won't go away,

(58:35):
the parents of this girl may try to come after
you civilly, in other words, sue you. And that is
really that is really expensive. Now I'm not saying they will.
I don't know who they are, but if they get
an attorney who will take this on contingency, they can
make your life a holy hell. Did it look like

(58:57):
these punctures? I know you're not an expert. Did it
look like they would leave some scars?

Speaker 11 (59:04):
No, they were very, very like superficial, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
And were they did you say there were two or
three of them?

Speaker 21 (59:12):
Two or three?

Speaker 11 (59:12):
I'm not I'm not sure.

Speaker 21 (59:15):
I'm not sure, Like don't. When I got back in
the cup for here, nobody spoke any.

Speaker 11 (59:19):
English, so I didn't who was in the house.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
I forgot to ask you who was in the apartment
with the dog? Who was in the apartment.

Speaker 21 (59:29):
Nobody was in the apartment with the dog.

Speaker 12 (59:31):
He was.

Speaker 21 (59:31):
There was two dogs and they were both home alone.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
And your your door was unlocked.

Speaker 21 (59:38):
Yeah, my daughter was on her way home and we
just moved into this apartment two weeks of priors, and
nobody had any spare keys or anything, so I just
left the door unlocked for her.

Speaker 11 (59:47):
I've never had an issue in the past.

Speaker 21 (59:49):
And I'm on the third floor.

Speaker 22 (59:51):
Nobody's supposed to be up there.

Speaker 11 (59:52):
Unlet's listen.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
I understand that. Listen, I understand that. But liability does
not hinge on what other people should or should not
have done. It hinges on you. And I'm going to
tell you straight up right now, leaving the door unlocked
with a Nikita dog inside could be considered negligent. Now,
I'm talking to you as a friend, Amber, but I

(01:00:14):
want you to know what could be thrown at you. Okay,
what were you going to say? Again?

Speaker 3 (01:00:18):
Did well?

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
Go ahead?

Speaker 3 (01:00:19):
There are two things that still aren't clear to me.

Speaker 16 (01:00:22):
Do the kids admit to having opened the door as
and they were going to go in.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
And see if there's anything nice to steal? So that's question.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I don't even know why out of all the doors
they chose to open her.

Speaker 16 (01:00:33):
Maybe they tried all the doors to see which one
is unlocked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:36):
Okay, good point. How old are the kids? That's a
good point.

Speaker 3 (01:00:39):
To the top, have to say, what is the police
side of the story that they presented to you?

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
How old are the kids?

Speaker 21 (01:00:46):
I'm not sure. I wasn't there proximately so the girl
that got bit and he said she looked about twelve
or thirteen?

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Okay, so d that's a good point. They could have
been trying doors.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Yes, So her liability is going to be a lot
less if somebody can show that these kids had trespassed
into her apartment by opening the door.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
What did the kids say? As far as their civiliability
as what did the kids say? Did they say they
opened the door or do they say the dog was
on out on the deck.

Speaker 21 (01:01:16):
There wasn't really much of an investigation. The statement the
cop to me today was that the girl went looking
for her brother and the dog just randomly bit them.

Speaker 8 (01:01:26):
That was basically all they said.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Where does this stand?

Speaker 5 (01:01:29):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
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(01:02:12):
three eight two five five. I'm going to go back
to Amber, and I want to just tell her basically
a few things about dog bites. With dog bites, there
are two things. One is criminal, it's not really criminal,
but quasi criminal, and then the other is civil. So
what that means is you can either get into trouble

(01:02:32):
with the law where they would order a penalty, a
fine or destruction of the dog. And the other thing
that can happen is they can they can order a
fine and in really egregious cases they go after you
big time, like jail time. But that's very seldom happens.

(01:02:53):
That usually happens with dogfighting scenarios or where people intentionally
used a dog as a weapon, and that actually it's
into a deadly weapon. Then you have civil complaints, which
are mainly the ones that get people in trouble. So
if you were a homeowner, your homeowner's insurance would cover
it unless the dog was excluded. So what happens is this,

(01:03:14):
you have people who want to sue, and they want
to sue because you scarred my daughter, or you did this,
or you did that. Now, when that happens, you need
to know something. When that happens, it could devastate you
and bankrupt you. But I'm going to give you the reality.
In order to sue, it takes a lot of money.

(01:03:37):
And most people when they sue, would get a lawyer
on contingency, meaning the lawyer takes the case based on
how much money they get. I don't if you're a
single mom with two kids, living in an apartment, not
making a lot of money, and you have no big

(01:03:57):
stash of money anywhere, no one and I mean no
attorney will take the case. No one will because if
you take a case and have a giant cash award
against Amber, they're not going to be able to collect it,
So no attorney will take the case. So I think
you don't have to worry about the liability part. Whereas

(01:04:20):
if someone with a lot of money or big income
or good insurance gets sued, they or wants to be sued,
the person wants to see them, they can most likely
find an attorney. So every attorney who takes cases on
a contingency fee basis looks at the collectibility of the case.

(01:04:40):
So I think you're pretty safe. But even in collectibility,
there is also another thing. Unless it was egregious or intentional,
you can usually bankrupt out of a penalty like that.
So it's a very risky thing for an attorney to
take on a civil case for a dog bite. But
you do have to worry about them issuing an order

(01:05:02):
to destroy the dog. Did they hint at anything like.

Speaker 11 (01:05:05):
That, Amber, No, they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:05:09):
So what's the next step. It was delayed and you
have to go back to court. What's going to go
on right now?

Speaker 21 (01:05:16):
So I requested a discovery so that I can review
all the PaperWorks and then we have.

Speaker 11 (01:05:21):
The case case for three weeks out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:26):
And so are you represented by anyone? Are you doing
this all yourself? Well?

Speaker 11 (01:05:32):
I was hoping I could do it myself, but it
sounds like I should have a lawyer.

Speaker 1 (01:05:38):
Well, technically you should. I mean, technically you should. I
mean but if look, how much do you love the dog?
Would it devastate you if they said you had to
destroy the dog? Oh, I'm just asking her, man, I'm not.
I'm just asking because listen, you know, whether we love

(01:05:59):
the dog or not, does she have ten grand to
fight that if they did say destroy the dog, because
it would take her every bit of ten grand to
fight it.

Speaker 16 (01:06:06):
Well, the dog needs to be if that's the possibility,
that dog needs to be rehomed right now to an
unknown address so she can honestly tell the judge I
don't know where the dog or you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:16):
Say we rehome the dog. He's no longer a threat
because they don't care. The dog is re hoomeed to
some guy with some acreage or somewhere, you know. But
but you know, so, I think what you have to
do is you're going to have to discuss it at least, uh,
you know, as far as fighting and how far you're
going to fight. Now, now, Deputy d I understand your animal.

(01:06:39):
Ever saw am I for God's sake?

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
Of course?

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
I mean, of course we are. But first I'm looking
at her well being and then her financial situation and
then we take it from there. So in any case,
thank you for calling. I wish I had better news
for you. I'll but get the discovery and maybe you
call Jola's EARRA and you have Jola's EARA help you
for a bit now. Joe is a criminal defense attorney

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seven one three eight two five five. Henry's got a
comment on the dog bite issue. Henry, what is your comment?

Speaker 23 (01:08:16):
My Well, my comment is, well, first of all, my
daughter face got molded by a dog and grund jokes from.

Speaker 8 (01:08:23):
Some years ago, I mean molded and uh, she has
thirds and she had stars. She has stllars.

Speaker 23 (01:08:30):
Today and she does don't care for certain dogs. But
my pint was we had our insurance paid part. We
never went out to anybody. I think people should just
have a little more kindness and just not too Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
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Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
No Tom Martino, Hello Tom Martino here, Welcome to this show.
I am here solving problems Andrew Usure, just taking complaints,
making your life a little easier. And you know, we
had a recent call on dog bites. I like to
review some of the things at halftime. Dog bites. Dog
bites come in all shapes and sizes. Know this, You're

(01:10:14):
only a target if you have money or worth something.
If you have money or insurance. And that's that's the truth.
Now when it comes to insurance, that's why I always
tell people to ensure what you're worth. What does that mean?
If you have a net worth of one hundred grand,
that's all you have, There's no sense insuring for more
than that. Or you can a little more, because to

(01:10:38):
come after someone for injuries takes time and effort and
an attorney willing to go after it. An attorney's not
going to go after someone worth one hundred grand. An
attorney may not go after someone worth two hundred grand.
It depends on how much it takes to go after them.
You are a liability tar If you have lots of

(01:11:01):
money or things inheritances or anything in the four in
the future, and you don't have the insurance to cover it,
then you're screwed because they'll look at you and say,
you know what, let's go after this guy. So if
you only have twenty five thousand insurance and you think

(01:11:21):
I'm beating the system, no you're not. Now Renters should
always have a policy. This would help Amber in her
case with the Akida dog. You know, no matter what happened,
the dog bit the girl, did they let him out
or not. I mean, if you can't prove it, the
fact that the dog did bite her is all they need.

(01:11:44):
If you can't prove agitation or intentional agitation of the dog,
or letting the dog out, taunting the dog, et cetera,
et cetera, they're gonna want to settle. But with her case,
since she doesn't have a lot of money, she's not
going to be a target. Now she may be a
target in other ways, finds criminal finds criminal penalties, and

(01:12:05):
you don't bankrupt out of those. You also have the
landlord who might ask her to move she said, they
just moved in there, or they may ask her to
get rid of the dog, or worse, animal control may
say you have to destroy the dog. So that's the
case with Amber. Then we have Kendrew called in with
a jeep on a recall and bo, did you find

(01:12:25):
out anything about that?

Speaker 15 (01:12:27):
I'm gonna call it the bottom of the hour break, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:12:31):
We were asking him to take a look at this.
Then we had Deputy D look into this one subleasing.
Deputy D, this guy had a lease on a space
he was subleasing, and the sub tenant landlord, I mean
he was paying rent to not only vacated but took
all his stuff, his equipment, and absconded with it.

Speaker 16 (01:12:54):
Yeah, and your idea was that I should drive by
wherever this landlord is located to see if I can
spot the equipment right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:01):
Or something like that, or what is he doing? Is
he actually using it. Did he take it to protect
the guy or did he take it to steal it?

Speaker 5 (01:13:08):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:13:08):
I mean those are all really great questions, and I'll
do my best to get some answers. So as soon
as David hung up, I actually called his number. His
wife answered and said that she's gonna have David call
me right back.

Speaker 1 (01:13:18):
The landlord.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
No, David was our call because landlord.

Speaker 1 (01:13:22):
Oh okay, so you didn't get that information. Yeah, but
what about this. I think we called the landlord and say, look,
this is the way I would do it. Yeah, it
was kind of you to take his stuff with.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
You for safekeeping.

Speaker 1 (01:13:32):
Yes, where can he pick it up? Very thoughtful of you,
And where can he pick it up? So we'll see
what happens there. Then Kristen called. She was upset about
her insurance. She was with Progressive at three grand. They
were not redoing you to fire danger. She found all
stay for twenty five hundred, and then now there's canceling

(01:13:54):
her man and it's going to be five grand if
she wants to go with AMFAM. I'm telling you, homeowner's
insurance is becoming almost cost prohibitive in some cases. So anyway,

(01:14:15):
they all stay took it and doesn't want it anymore,
and so she's becoming a high risk. So with homeowners,
people be aware where you live has a lot to
do with it. So you need to check on insurance
before you buy a place, even if you have enough
to buy a place. All right, Welcome to the show, Chris.

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It can go either way. We've built bathrooms when the
basement's unfinished, and then whoever's doing the basement goes around
what we've framed in and uh and built for a bathroom.
If you know what size you want, if you've got
some plans, we can build the shower or the bathroom
or area, and then you can build the rest of
the basement a different time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
If you're going to have somebody do the basement, you
can rough it and can.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
You coordinate it, maybe even with a basement remodel or
if you want, we probably could.

Speaker 3 (01:18:20):
I've never done that.

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thinking they had a bomb going off, it was me.
See I got hey, I got my own. Now I
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We can have battle. This sound effects dragon is a child.
He likes to play these sound effects that just like
a like a smoke alarm, chirping orse, or your doorbell,

(01:20:12):
and it has me going for the door. Yeah, oh
that I hate camping. When you're camping, that's the worst
sound you can hear. That's the worst sound you can hear.
I'll tell you, Okay. One of my loves in life,
and this has been one of the few periods in

(01:20:33):
my life. I have not been without my horses. My
horse died years ago and I never I did replace
them once and then it just wasn't right. So I'm
a god. I love horses, I love dogs, I love cats. Now,
when I saw this place, I was blown away, absolutely
blown away, and I said, guys, can I help you

(01:20:56):
in any way? They said, well, now and then we
have a and maybe you can help us raise some money.
Now this place was a labor of love for this
family that started it, and it's now you're not gonna
believe it when I tell you this what it is.
It's called Pepper's Senior Dog Sanctuary. It's where dogs go

(01:21:18):
for the remaining days. So you don't have to leave
your dog at a vet and say I need to
say goodbye bye. You can have your dog live there
and ah, it's amazing to me when you go there.
The volunteers are so loving. The place is clean, immaculate,

(01:21:39):
it's beautiful. They have play areas for the dogs, rest
areas for those old dogs. There was one old dog there.
Justin is a spokesperson here, Justin Klemmer, and I want
to ask him real quick the one old Bassett hound
that I saw there? Has he gone on to dogy
Heaven and is justin there? Hello? Justin?

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Hello?

Speaker 12 (01:22:06):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Yes? I can now Justin? Thanks?

Speaker 12 (01:22:09):
Oh yes, sir, Hi there. So that was Bosco. Bosco
is no longer with us.

Speaker 1 (01:22:17):
Okay, Bosco. Now, how does Pepper Senior Dog Sanctuary work?
So you're not inundated? And again I want to help
you raise some funds here, But how does it work?
It was does someone with an old dog call you
and say I have an old dog and they kind
of can't do much around the house here and I
don't want to put it to sleep or how does

(01:22:37):
that work? Just tell us the nuts and bolts of
Pepper's Senior Dog Sanctuary, which is set out in the
country in a beautiful area. Tell us how it works.

Speaker 12 (01:22:50):
Gotcha. So we are a nonprofit that specializes in taking
older and unadoptable dogs and giving them a forever home.
So we actually only take from shelters and rescues.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
Okay, the big thing.

Speaker 12 (01:23:05):
For us is that the dogs has had an advance
at adoption at a facility, with an organization or with
a rescue, and if that dog is not being adopted,
we'll take them and give them their forever home, hospice care,
a compassionate end of life.

Speaker 1 (01:23:26):
It is amazing to me. Now, I've known some people
who had a dog. I think that one of one
told me they had a dog that they took to
a shelter to try to get it adopted because they
figured if someone wanted to take care of the dog,
that would be fine. But they kind of knew because
of the relationship you had with the shelter that it
could end up at Pepper's. And indeed did do you?

(01:23:51):
So what I need to know is this when people
have dogs there, Let's just say they find out their
dog ended up there, or dog they used to have
ended up there. Can they come out and visit and volunteer.

Speaker 12 (01:24:05):
So we have actually never had that happen. Okay, We're
always looking for more volunteers and more people to come
hang out with the dogs. But by the time that
the dogs end up here, it's quite often that they're
former people are no longer with us or unable to

(01:24:26):
make the trip. That kind of thing.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Okay, and tell us what it looks like there at
Peppers and how many residents and how they're taken care
of and what happens on a daily basis. This is
an amazing story. And I know M sure you're an
animal lover. That's why I want you to data especially
hear this. So justin tell us about the place.

Speaker 12 (01:24:46):
So it is a sanctuary in every sense of the word.
Here we have a state of the art facility that
we finished construction on in June and twenty twenty three
where it is a a little dog heaven and for
big dogs too. We've got indoor outdoor play yards. We
have a veterinary facility in veterinarians on site to take

(01:25:10):
care of any veterinary needs that come up. A lot
of our dogs are very medically complicated and it is
something that we can manage with a wonderful quality of
life for them here, but it is unreasonable and too
expensive for most people to manage these type of things
at home. And one of the one of the amazing

(01:25:30):
things that I love that we do is we work
with several different community organizations to help really bootboll throughout
the community. So, for example, we work with well Spring,
Garden Ink and Firefly Autism so their students can come here,
spend time with the dogs, learn new life skills, figure

(01:25:51):
out if a job in animals is something that they
would be interested in, and then we can help frame
and go from there.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
And most of your people there on a day to
day basis are volunteers.

Speaker 12 (01:26:07):
Yes, we would. We could not survive without our volunteers,
that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
And so what do would give me an idea of
what a volunteer does? And of course if someone wants
to volunteer, maybe they'll contact you on this an animal lover,
So what does a volunteer do on a day to
day basis or or some of the different areas you
use volunteers.

Speaker 12 (01:26:29):
So our volunteers help in every aspect of the dog's care.
For sure, they come in, help wait all the dogs
up in the morning, uh, eating, cleaning, those kind of things.
And then it's onto a different enrichment tasks, whether that's
a walk, a strollerer walk, training that will help them
live better, help help them, but in the veterinary clinic

(01:26:54):
those kind of things. And then there's bigger projects to
every once in a while to help help the dogs
and help the peoplayer.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
Now, obviously, again I don't want to compare you with
shelters and other shelters, but there have been there have
been shelters in the past that have tried to do
things for pets, and they're wonderful people, well intentioned, but
the costs were prohibitive. I mean, obviously, you have an old,
old dog and there's certain medical procedures that are almost

(01:27:25):
cost prohibitive. So how do you do this? Now, Your
idea is not to is not to squeeze every day
of life you can out of a dog where they're
not enjoying life. But at the same time, you don't
just put a dog down just because they're old. So
where do you strike that balance?

Speaker 12 (01:27:43):
You know, it is on a dog by a dog basis.
Our top priority here is quality of life, and we
definitely don't want to prolong suffering or anything close to that,
and so our veterinary team works with each dog and
the people that take care of it individually to assess
the quality of life and oftentimes with the right prescription food,

(01:28:07):
the right medications, and some love, we can really improve
these dogs quality of life.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Oh no doubt. And when I went out there, I said,
holy crap, this is beautiful. I mean, the facility is
absolutely beautiful. Now, volunteers are a big part of your organization,
but so absolutely so are the funds. So what do

(01:28:37):
you do to raise funds? I know your family has
been wonderful in starting this and establishing this and feeding it,
but obviously they you guys, it's a charity five oh
one C three and you do raise funds. What is
your next event? What can we do to help you?

Speaker 12 (01:28:55):
So our next event is coming right up and we're
selling tickets right now. It is September eighteenth at Mission Ballroom.
It'll be a fun gala followed by a concert by
Whistleman Phillips September.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
What was that eighteenth?

Speaker 12 (01:29:09):
Did you say September eighteenth? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
Okay? And where is it going to be? It's at
Mission Ballroom, Mission Ballroom, okay. And tickets are on sale
right now. So where do people go to get them?
And learn more about Peppers?

Speaker 12 (01:29:28):
So if you go to our website, it is PSDs
dot org. There's plenty of information there about our event,
ways to donate and volunteer now.

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Ps DS stands for Pepper's Senior Dog Sanctuary p s
DS dot org. And how did the Peppers start? What's
the backstory?

Speaker 12 (01:29:57):
So Pepper was a dog, was my mom's dog. Pepper
came into her life when he really needed her, but
when she really needed him, and he was a grumpy
old guy, a couple he's hanging out of his mouth.
He was just a funny little guy, but really gave

(01:30:18):
her in my entire family a lot of love and
really inspired us to go forward and help those dogs
that are sitting in helters just because they're a little older,
and give them the home that they need and deserve.

Speaker 1 (01:30:33):
You know, justin when I met you, I saw nothing
but love, honest to God, you and your mom, and
I'll respect your privacy. Your family has long roots in
this town, in this community, my God, and around the country.
You're well known, and I really do appreciate what your
mom did. I mean, this is incredible. Do you have

(01:30:56):
any And again, I don't want to put you on
the spot, but it seemed a no brainer to me.
And again, I know that everyone has a niche, but
I'll guarantee you that if you had a section where
you had people bring their beloved pet and pay for
their care, they would do it. In other words, they
would pay for end of life for their pet rather

(01:31:18):
than put their pet down. Have you guys ever even
looked into that to have a section like that.

Speaker 12 (01:31:24):
It is definitely something we've thought about, especially to help
raise funds for all of the sanctuary operations. It just
currently our priority is to help the dogs that are
sitting in shelters.

Speaker 1 (01:31:38):
Not behind No. That is so wonderful, so wonderful.

Speaker 12 (01:31:42):
Yeah, but as we grow and expand, it is certainly
something that we're looking into very serious.

Speaker 1 (01:31:49):
Do you hope it spreads to other cities and other areas.

Speaker 12 (01:31:54):
Absolutely absolutely, If there's a wonderful shelter or sanctuary and
Mount Juliet, Tennessee. That really inspired us, and so we
kind of brought it to the side of the country
and we would love to see these kind of things
pop up all over the country as needed.

Speaker 1 (01:32:13):
You know, people, I don't know how you if you
invite visitors who might be interested in donating or volunteering
their time, or would you rather they make appointments or
how do you how do you do that?

Speaker 12 (01:32:28):
So if you email us through our website, there's a
contact page on there, we're more than happy to you
could come take a look at the sanctuary drop off donations,
see if this is somewhere where you'd be interested in volunteering.
For sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:44):
I got a text here and they wanted to know
do you take items or products as donations as well
if they check with.

Speaker 12 (01:32:50):
You, absolutely, okay. We're always in need of dogbeds, towels, blankets,
things like that for sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:59):
Okay, So if anyone's interested, I'm going to give this
that again. September eighteenth. This is Scala at Mission Ballroom
and I'll tell you my wife and I are going
to be there. We wouldn't miss it for anything. Pepper's
Senior Dog Sanctuary. So the initials are the website Pepper's
Senior Dog Sanctuary, So it's ps DS dot org and

(01:33:24):
you can contact them or find out more about them
at ps DS dot org. You know, they say it
takes all kinds of people to make up the world.
Honest to god, I am so happy I met you guys,
and I'll help you with anything, and I'll give this
a boost throughout the until September and get people to

(01:33:45):
go there. And thank you, Justin, and thank your mom
for the work she's doing. It's wonderful. We appreciate it.

Speaker 12 (01:33:53):
Thank you so much for having me on your show,
in promoting the event and promoting all these old dogs.
We really appreciate it, all.

Speaker 1 (01:34:03):
Right, Justin. So we got more coming up on the
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to one three talks seven one three eight two five five.
So give us a call. We got a lot more
show to go on, the Troubleshooter Show. And I want
to remind you of this website. I don't know, call
me enough, but I love this place. I absolutely love it,
Pepper Senior Dog Sanctuary ps DS Pepper's Senior Dog Sanctuary.

(01:35:12):
So it's ps DS dot org and they're having an
event September eighteenth. I want you to go there, even
if you don't have a dog. How about that. I mean,
there are so many wonderful causes out there that people
just spend time on. I just love it. Let me

(01:35:36):
go to a white chat here people are streaming. I
have Chris Consolo with us from Discount Bath to come
out of curiosity. Chris, any particular organizations you love, I
don't know. I think, yeah, what about you, Dimitri? Any
particular organizations you love?

Speaker 3 (01:35:52):
Oh of course.

Speaker 16 (01:35:53):
I mean I've had personal dealings with animal rescue organizations.
My two rescue cats came from Rocky Mountain Feline Rescue.

Speaker 1 (01:36:00):
Hockey Mountain Feline Rescue.

Speaker 16 (01:36:01):
Yeah, and they, you know, a few years ago, they
evacuated some some animal shelter in Texas that was affected
by flooding. So they brought eighty cats here all the
way from Texas and they were having a buy one,
get one free sale.

Speaker 3 (01:36:15):
Yeah, so I drove straight over there and got to
you are.

Speaker 1 (01:36:18):
It's definitely a cat lover.

Speaker 3 (01:36:19):
And you know there's one that's kind of a well
kept secret, but it's a wonderful organization called the Max Fund.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
Oh, yes, I know the Max Fund.

Speaker 19 (01:36:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:36:27):
Nancy Errol started that years and years ago.

Speaker 16 (01:36:29):
Yeah, I don't know who started, but I can tell
you that the one thing that came as a surprise
to me is in addition to the shelters they owned downtown,
they operate a clinic, a vet clinics.

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (01:36:37):
Extremely affordable, Yeah, extremely for like a forty or fifty
dollars a base.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
I wonder if Nancy's doing or if she's well, I
shouldn't even say that she's I didn't mean to be
disrespectful or anything, but they used to do the map
putting on the Max The MAX Fund.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
There used to be an annual event.

Speaker 1 (01:36:54):
I was there MC for many years and loved the organization.

Speaker 3 (01:37:00):
Out that clinic.

Speaker 16 (01:37:01):
You know a lot of animal owners are you know,
they don't have the money for traditional veterinarian service, which
is very expensive. But this clinic, it's part of their
nonprofit and they offer extremely affordable So they're.

Speaker 1 (01:37:13):
Still around doing what they're still around the MASS Fund.

Speaker 16 (01:37:15):
Still I still take my cats there for their annual
examinations because I want to support their clinic.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Very very cool. Three L three seven to one to
three tonk seven one three eight two five five christ Console,
let's go to some some text. Someone wants to know.
Do you expand do you move walls?

Speaker 14 (01:37:32):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:37:33):
Okay, so how far do you go with a remodel?
How far? Let's talk about it.

Speaker 3 (01:37:38):
If it's in the bathroom, we'll do it.

Speaker 14 (01:37:40):
Obviously it has to be doabowl, right, But yeah, if
we can do.

Speaker 1 (01:37:44):
So some of these things, Like I said, moving walls,
if it's load bearing wall, we're talking a different story.
But you can move them with great care. Sometimes you
have to call in engineers and stuff like that. Well,
somebody else wants to know what is the typical remodel
time frame.

Speaker 3 (01:38:00):
That's a loaded question.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
It is a loaded question. Everybody wants to know, like
they want to have it done before this or before that.

Speaker 14 (01:38:06):
You know, tough to showers a couple to three days,
if we don't run in problems a large master bathroom.

Speaker 3 (01:38:12):
You know, it could be six to eight weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:38:14):
Okay, yeah, and that's being honest.

Speaker 3 (01:38:16):
Six eight weeks, yeah, to do it right, to put
the good guys in there. You know, we're running one
and two man crews. Plumbers come in and.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
You so you have a crew stick from beginning to end.
You don't go to one job to another, to another
to another.

Speaker 14 (01:38:29):
Nope, No, we're running job one crew for jobs simultaneously.

Speaker 1 (01:38:33):
No, I get it, Yeah, simultaneous jobs, but one crew
sticks with your beginning, Dan, does each person have a
project manager?

Speaker 14 (01:38:39):
We have a project manager. So we've got one person
Jerry managing a few.

Speaker 1 (01:38:44):
Yeah. Yeah, but you have a point of contact. Correct, Yeah,
you've got tell me. We were going to talk about
design trends, and I do want to talk about that
coming up, Like everything has trends now. I believe that
design trends, whether it be kitchens, or baths or our
houses in general can come back to backfire on you.
Now without giving away any privacy, Dimitri and I we

(01:39:09):
know people who live in a home, and in my opinion,
is what is called a timeless design. Okay, and I'm
talking about our meat Fest location now, wouldn't you say, Dimitri,
it is one of the most timeless designs inside and out.

Speaker 3 (01:39:27):
Yeah, well's centuries old. It's modeled on some Mediterranean like a.

Speaker 1 (01:39:30):
Taskany almost, but I'm telling you it is not overdone.
It is tasteful. My god, it is so one of
the most beautiful homes I've ever seen. Wow. No, I'm
in my opinion it is. You know. I had one.
It's funny story. It was literally started by these major
drug dealers. No, no, it was a giant one and

(01:39:54):
they left it unfinished, about ninety percent unfinished. And I
loved it because I was able to finish it and
make at a smart home. This was way back when
I had more money than brains, and it was just
some of these designs are breathtaking, but they're not gimmicky.
The gimmicky one right now, that's going to burn people.

(01:40:14):
It's going to burn people. It's the Frank Lloyd wrong,
which is Frank Lloyd right? That these modern twin peak
square dental office looking things with the with the metal
staircases and and I swear to god they are so
ugly to begin with. Now, I know a lot of
people like modern, but guess what modern gets old faster
than anything. So it's so called now it comes in

(01:40:36):
and out of fashion because really that look. Ever since
Frank Lloyd Wright started doing them in California and stuff,
they became popular in the fifties.

Speaker 3 (01:40:47):
Yes, okay, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:40:49):
They became popular, went out of fashion, came back, went out,
and now they're back again. But when you see a
house a neighborhood of beautiful older homes or beautiful Aditerranean
type houses, and then you see this and the other
one that has gone out, and it's a very it's
a fine line between the Tuscany and what I call Mexican,

(01:41:11):
and it's a beautiful, beautiful Mexican homes. We're with the
heavy though, the heavy outside textures and the heavy inside textures.
They come in and out too. So we'll talk about
bathroom designs that are timeless. Coming up, I'm Tom Martino,
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here three h three seven one three talks seven one
three eight two five five. So bo, did you find
anything out about the Jeep Cherokee on recall? And she's

(01:42:15):
having trouble getting a dealer to do it.

Speaker 15 (01:42:18):
I call the service manager during the break and left
him a detailed message. I'm waiting for him to call
me back. I did try to explain the situation over
the phone and ask if they'd be willing to I
think the best solution is to see if Jeep would
refer the recall to Jeff Vick at camera transmission.

Speaker 1 (01:42:42):
But here's the thing. Many many warranties on vehicles talk
about if you alter the vehicle in any way, the
warranty is either canceled or excluded, and even when that happens,
that does not apply to safety, not unless the repair

(01:43:04):
or aftermarket part directly relates to the recall. In this case,
a skid plate was put on differently than normal, either
it's an aftermarket skid plate or something different about the
skid plate. Based on the fact that the skid plate

(01:43:25):
was different, they denied her a safety recall on the transmission,
which makes absolutely zero sense. And what I looked up
and maybe bo you can pass it on to the dealer.
They are not allowed to just forego a safety recall.
It's a mandatory thing by the National Traffic Safety Board,

(01:43:47):
so they need to do it. And if they won't
do it, another dealer needs to do it. So we'll
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in the waste business, the recycling business, about waste connections
coming up. And then Bill is on the phone right

(01:45:40):
now about roofing. So Hi Bill, let's start off. What's
going on with you? Bill?

Speaker 18 (01:45:46):
Hey Tom, I kind of missed. I thought you had
a roofing guy on there.

Speaker 1 (01:45:51):
Oh it's okay. We can contact an expert at any
time about anything, so go ahead.

Speaker 18 (01:45:57):
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and Owen's Corning seems to be the name of the
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Speaker 1 (01:46:16):
All of the major manufacturers are. Here's the problem is
finding the roofers because what the suppliers do is they
incentivize roofers. So some roofers are loyal to a certain brand,
but most roofers can get most of the major brands.

Speaker 18 (01:46:34):
Okay, so you're have you heard of certain Teed?

Speaker 1 (01:46:37):
I mean absolutely certainty. It's not like some off crazy brand.
It is a definite good brand of roofing.

Speaker 18 (01:46:47):
Great, well that's what I needed to know.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
Tom.

Speaker 3 (01:46:49):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
Now let me let me ask you something out of curiosity.
Is this an insurance job?

Speaker 5 (01:46:54):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:46:55):
Okay, I always ask that out of curiosity because a
lot of people are being faced with replacing a roof
if they want to keep insured. But thank you Bill
for the call. I appreciate it. So yeah, so some
are saying we'll renew. Some insurance company are saying we'll renew,
but you got an old roof. You got to get
a new roof. And they can do that, they can

(01:47:17):
put any conditions they want. I'm being told by my
text here that many people are getting out of the
roofing business totally, many people, I mean many brands. So therefore,
what's happening is is that people are just out of luck.

(01:47:42):
They're going to have to go with a few companies left,
and they're going to have to find a deal. One
woman went from basically double from twenty five hundred to
five grand. So many people are becoming insurance poor. There
is no solution because you need insurance. There is no
solution if if they're all charging a lot, you're going
to have to find the ones who charge the least

(01:48:03):
of a lot that makes sense. Now, let's turn our
attention to Dmitri, who's in the recycling business. And what
Dmitri does in his business is commercial recycling, takes care
of their cardboard in a nutshell. Waste Connections we're hearing
about now, Waste Connections, they say, and I don't know
what it means, an AI driven facility that's supposedly going

(01:48:28):
to change the entire industry and no longer are you
going to have what they say is waste when it
comes which is funny, waste when it comes to recycling.
In other words, we're told that a small percentage of
stuff actually put in recycling is recycled and this will
help it. What do you know about the new Waste

(01:48:52):
Connections plant being put in Denver or Commerce City?

Speaker 3 (01:48:55):
What time? I'm very familiar with. Yeah, God, I'm very
familiar with the.

Speaker 16 (01:48:58):
Two companies that are involved in the So of course,
Waste Connections is a big nationwide trash holder that also
operates you know, probably a dozen or more recycling facilities
around the country. Now, they're facility in Commerce City is
going to be built by a company called amp Amp.
They're a Lewisville they used to be called AMP Robotics.
They're a Lewisville company, and they may automated sorting equipment

(01:49:19):
for recyclables. So everything from you know, like the picking arms,
to the conveyor belts to.

Speaker 3 (01:49:25):
That kind of stuff. The optical recognition systems.

Speaker 1 (01:49:27):
Is what's so special about it.

Speaker 16 (01:49:28):
Well, so you know, your typical recycling facility is a
very labor intensive thing.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
Only fifteen people are going to employed and they you
usually do more than one hundred.

Speaker 16 (01:49:39):
Yeah, I mean that's that's a pretty shocking statistic. But
normally today almost everything that's recycled is manually picked out
of the stream of you know, the so called single
stream where you mix your cans and bottles and newspapers
and cardboard. So AMP makes machines that recognize a piece
of cardboard or a glass bottle or aluminum can, then

(01:50:00):
they pick them the picking, They do the picking. So
I think that's what they mean by fully automated, low staff.

Speaker 1 (01:50:07):
And fifteen people in a giant facility.

Speaker 3 (01:50:10):
Yeah, I'm interested in seeing.

Speaker 16 (01:50:12):
I've never actually seen a fully automated facility like that.

Speaker 5 (01:50:15):
I mean, with.

Speaker 16 (01:50:15):
Fifteen people would consider it fully automated, But it can
be very interesting to see. I mean i've i've I
have moved the product that AMP made out of their
pilot facility. They operated an experimental recycling plant in Denver
until a couple of years ago, and they signed a
contract with me to move that stuff out to the
end users. And so I know they have a lot
of experience. They have really good people. I have a

(01:50:38):
couple of friends that work there.

Speaker 1 (01:50:39):
So is AMP a Colorado based company?

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Yeah, they're up there in Lewisville.

Speaker 1 (01:50:43):
You know, they make the picking equipment.

Speaker 3 (01:50:45):
They make the picking equipment.

Speaker 1 (01:50:46):
I'm looking at a video that is unbelievable on Denver
seven dot com. Holy crap, it is unbelievable.

Speaker 16 (01:50:56):
The camp has better video on their website because then
there's sales material are pretty impressive.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
And do you do anything with the cardboard with AMP?

Speaker 16 (01:51:05):
Well, I did until they shut down their recycling plant
about two years ago. But I was, yeah, I was
the one that was buying their product, which is what
they picked out of the you know, the mixed recycle ball. Oh,
you were buying the card buying it, and I was
shipping it off to international paper mills.

Speaker 1 (01:51:19):
And right now you're still shipping off the international paper mail.

Speaker 16 (01:51:22):
But from other suppliers, right, amp shut down, and don't
you go directly.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
From the end user who throws away cardboard? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:51:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 16 (01:51:29):
If they produce enough, then my end users can ship
straight to the paper mill. If they don't, then we
bring it into a Denver facility where it's consent. Can
you bail it up what's already bailed by the end
by the by the actual by our actual customers, they
have bailers, okay, And then we consolidate that with other
you know, bails from other suppliers, and we ship that
in both rail cars.

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
And it's cardboard one of the most eco friendly things
we have.

Speaker 16 (01:51:52):
Absolutely, it's probably it's it's you know, cardboard can be recycled.
The industry says the average cardboard fiber can be recycled
set times. Really, when you start with a wood pulp,
you get a pretty long six or seven inch fiber, okay,
And that's what paper and cardboard is made of, and
that can be every time you recycle it, it breaks,
you know, it snaps, and so it breaks into a

(01:52:13):
smaller poquet. But they say the average fiber has seven
lives until it gets too small to be made into
more paper.

Speaker 3 (01:52:20):
And then it just washes out in the process.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
But it is very eco friendly even on that stage.

Speaker 16 (01:52:24):
Yeah, and it takes just a fraction of energy and
chemicals to make paper out of paper compared to making
paper out of wood pulp.

Speaker 3 (01:52:33):
Right, So, and.

Speaker 1 (01:52:34):
What percentage of the market you would you say, right
now cardboard is recycled? What percentage of cardboard?

Speaker 16 (01:52:43):
So I would say well over half, really well over half.
You've got to remember that the alternative to recycling cardboard,
which which it could be profitable to the company. But
besides that, the alternative is to throw it in. The
garbage and trash service is very, very deensive, and so consequently,
the producers, the big factories that I service, the food

(01:53:05):
plants and distribution centers, they have this huge disincentive to
throw it away, right because they don't want their garbage
bills to go from ten thousand a month to fifty
thousand a month.

Speaker 3 (01:53:16):
So if I can pick it up for free, right,
that's great.

Speaker 1 (01:53:19):
Do most people in commercial operations know that there's a
place for their cardboard? I mean, none of them are
dumb enough right now to I don't know, pay to
have it hauled away?

Speaker 15 (01:53:31):
Do they?

Speaker 3 (01:53:33):
Very few?

Speaker 16 (01:53:34):
I mean, you have to be really ignorant not to
know that you can recycle cardboard for a much lower
price or free.

Speaker 1 (01:53:41):
In fact, can't they even be paid for it?

Speaker 3 (01:53:44):
Oh yeah, So some of my customers do get paid.

Speaker 16 (01:53:46):
Some very large generators of cardboard do get paid a
modest rebate for their material.

Speaker 1 (01:53:50):
So when you go to a company and say, guess what,
we'll take your cardboard and you get paid, who would
say no to that?

Speaker 3 (01:53:57):
Well, surprisingly a lot of people say no.

Speaker 16 (01:53:59):
Well I well, a lot of people don't want to
make changes, you know, the business decoration.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
I talked about that like with financial advice, and I
swear to god, people if they're fixed on something, they
don't want to change it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
They don't want to change it.

Speaker 16 (01:54:13):
They're afraid of making the wrong decision because this company
has been doing it for so many decades before they arrived,
and they're concerned that if they change it now and
it goes to you know, it goes to health, and
it's going to be their fault. So I see, I
see it from everybody's perspective. But once in a while,
you know, we can convince somebody to start recycling their cardboard.

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I'll tell you. Don's got to comment on recycling. We're
talking about recycling and this new plan coming with AI
machines that can identify items and do the picking out
of items and separating of items, and this giant facility
hundreds of thousands of square feet, we'll have fifteen employees.

(01:56:28):
My goodness, gracious, Don, what's your comment?

Speaker 8 (01:56:32):
Yeah, Hi, Tom, i'mous.

Speaker 22 (01:56:34):
Is there another public recycling center besides the one off
a gun club and the Denver recycling center off of Quebec?

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Now what do the public recycling centers do?

Speaker 16 (01:56:46):
By the way, Dimitri, Almost any recycling facility, even individuals
can just come over and drop stuff off.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
And they're all over town.

Speaker 16 (01:56:55):
So commercial recycling facilities most of them, not all, but
most of them.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
I can take truck of cardboard and just drop Yeah,
so what part of town I do it on? Mixed
or they have to be segregated?

Speaker 16 (01:57:05):
I would I would recommend segregated, right, because you're probably
not gonna have access to the big single stream dumping card.

Speaker 1 (01:57:12):
Don, What do you have.

Speaker 22 (01:57:15):
Cardboard bottle, plastic bottles, a litting of cans.

Speaker 1 (01:57:19):
Yeah, and how do you did you gather this stuff
on your own? Don No?

Speaker 5 (01:57:23):
I actually go through a lot of classic bottles.

Speaker 22 (01:57:26):
I'm and I do a lot of Amazon and I
have a lot of I have some I get a
lot of stuff shipped to me in cardboards and carbo.

Speaker 3 (01:57:35):
What part of town are you in, don I'm in a.

Speaker 1 (01:57:39):
And when you say you have a lot of cardboard,
are you a commercial operation or individual? You know?

Speaker 22 (01:57:46):
I'm just I'm just an individual who happens to get
a lot of stuff from Amazon and go through.

Speaker 1 (01:57:51):
A lot of Okay, bottle, Okay, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 16 (01:57:54):
Hey, don call so over there in Aurora, there's a
there's a waste Connections transfer station on Jordan It's like
a rapa hole and Jordan Road. Give them a call
and see if they accept drop offs from the public.
There's a ninety percent chance that they'll accept drop offs
from the public. Okay, again, Jordan Road, just south of
a rap a hole. It's called Waste Connections transfer station.

Speaker 5 (01:58:19):
Waste Connections. Okay, you have to look it up.

Speaker 16 (01:58:22):
Yeah, and I'll bet there's a ninety percent chance they'll
let you just come in and drop your stuff off.

Speaker 22 (01:58:27):
Okay, well it's going to waste management. But sometimes the
lines are a little crazy funny.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
I get used to that.

Speaker 1 (01:58:34):
Recycling I'm glad is pretty popular.

Speaker 3 (01:58:36):
It's super popular, Tom. I mean, is.

Speaker 1 (01:58:39):
Making a dent in the in the environment or in
how much we I mean, is it?

Speaker 5 (01:58:45):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:58:45):
Of course.

Speaker 16 (01:58:45):
I mean take a look in the alley behind your house.
See how many recycling cans there are. I mean half
the stuff from a householder is recyclable, so and you
can see how full they are, both Amazon cardboard and
bottles and cans and all that stuff. So yeah, it
really does get recycled. And you know, my guess is
we recover more than half of our waste stream.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Well, is incredible, I think so.

Speaker 5 (01:59:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:59:10):
I mean because we were running out of space. I
mean literally, landfalls are archaic. If you think about it, well, you.

Speaker 3 (01:59:15):
Know, there's you and I definitely have a divergence of
opinion on that.

Speaker 1 (01:59:19):
I mean, what do you mean, Maybe I have a
I don't have an opinion. Maybe I'm just.

Speaker 3 (01:59:22):
Saying that we'll never run out of landfill space.

Speaker 16 (01:59:25):
I mean, next time you're in your helicopter, take a
look around, see how much space there really is.

Speaker 1 (01:59:31):
But doesn't that ruin the land or what?

Speaker 5 (01:59:33):
No?

Speaker 16 (01:59:34):
No, if you look at a modern landfill, they look
like parks now. So the only part that looks like
a garbage dump is the one that's currently operating, where
the trucks are dumping today. And then as they fill
up this so called cell, it's like a section of
the landfill. When it gets full, they covered up with dirt,
They plant grass and bushes, and.

Speaker 1 (01:59:53):
Then can I courses? When can fill? Okay? But when
can I reuse it? If they had to dig it
up for building and stuff, I wonder.

Speaker 16 (02:00:01):
Well, I you know, I can't answer that question, but
I know that part of lotos. I used to have
a facility on Brighton Boulevard where Broadway turns into Brighton
Boulevard in Lower down Town. That used to be like
Denver's original garbage dump.

Speaker 3 (02:00:15):
So now they're.

Speaker 1 (02:00:16):
Bulk and in landfills nowadays. What goes into a landfill nowadays,
we're not talking like it used to be. I mean
they used to put everything in a landfill.

Speaker 16 (02:00:27):
Yeah, it's easier to answer what you can't put into
the landfill?

Speaker 3 (02:00:30):
So no, electronics, no batteries.

Speaker 1 (02:00:32):
But for example, like cardboard, if some jerk wants to
do a bunch of cardboard in a landfill, they'll take it.
Oh yeah, absolutely, But so there's no one there to say, hey,
you can recycle this, or they should have maybe a
recycling place next to the landfill.

Speaker 16 (02:00:47):
They should, but you know, you got to look at
it from their perspective. I mean a company, let's say
it's waste management or somebody like you know, I have
nothing else. Waste management, they have this giant sucking hole
in the ground that needs to be filled up.

Speaker 3 (02:00:58):
So if you bring in a load of whatever you
want to do, pay for that.

Speaker 16 (02:01:02):
Oh absolutely, it's very expensive to dump at the landfill.

Speaker 3 (02:01:05):
Hm.

Speaker 1 (02:01:06):
Now what about somebody is texting about dangerous stuff? They
have batteries and oil? What do they do with that stuff?

Speaker 16 (02:01:15):
Just about every municipality has it's called a household hazardous
waste recycling. Almost every city, almost every town has that.
If you go to their website or call city hall.

Speaker 1 (02:01:26):
So if I have an old car battery.

Speaker 16 (02:01:29):
Well all car berries, you can sell that to autoparts stores, right,
you would probably get fifteen twenty bucks for them. Really Yeah,
But if you have, like motor oil is recycled for free.
I take my motor oil and recycle for free at
AutoZone or Oriileys, whoever is closer.

Speaker 1 (02:01:43):
They don't, So how do you judge? You take the
container and leave the container.

Speaker 16 (02:01:46):
Yeah, whatever, my new oil came in, you know, I
empty the contain the jug into my engine, and then
I pour the old the old oil from the drain
pan into that jug. And then next time I'm driving
past Orioleys, I'll drop it off.

Speaker 1 (02:01:59):
There's no charge for you can't just pour it and
keep the container because I have nice containers that I
use to drain oil and get I mean oil from aircraft,
but I don't. In other words, they come in small
plastic bottles, right, but then when you drain them, I
can't put them all back in those small plastic Just
save your jugs, you know, save your gallon There are

(02:02:19):
no gallon jugs is your house, right? See what you're saying?
Any kind of jug? Yeah, any kind of jug, because
then when you drop it off, you just and what
do you do? I mean literally this person wants to
know do you do you literally just drop it off?
Is there a place to put it? I mean, they'll
tell you if you go to an autopart store and

(02:02:39):
say I have some oil, Yeah, they tell you what
you did on the counter.

Speaker 16 (02:02:42):
They'll have you sign into a log book. Really dropping
off something radio.

Speaker 1 (02:02:46):
That's the easiest place to do that.

Speaker 3 (02:02:48):
Do you think that Walmart AutoZone?

Speaker 1 (02:02:50):
With Walmart you got to check in where with their
auto parts place?

Speaker 3 (02:02:53):
Yeah? Yeah, the tire shop.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
You carry it through, Okay, that has an experience.

Speaker 3 (02:02:58):
Their own Yeah, their own door.

Speaker 16 (02:03:00):
And then things like batteries, paint, but spray, whatever, those
become more electronics. So every municipality that I'm aware of
has a household hazardous waste facility and you call them
and you make an appointment. And sometimes some of the
things are free, like maybe paint you can drop off
for free, Batteries you can drop off for free. There's

(02:03:20):
always a charge for electronics.

Speaker 1 (02:03:22):
To construction places have a lot of recyclables at their
construction site.

Speaker 5 (02:03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 16 (02:03:28):
There's a whole subset of our industry called CND recycling
stands for Construction and Demolition recyclings. Yes, and so those
CNZ recycling companies, which I know nothing about, they'll actually
provide roll offs just for CND and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:43):
They'll take them away free.

Speaker 3 (02:03:45):
No oh, okay, it's very expensive.

Speaker 1 (02:03:47):
Okay, right, But then they recycle the rebar, the concrete,
the light chick, not the light fixtures to be light fixtures,
but anything. Do they separate all that.

Speaker 16 (02:03:55):
It don't do, Yeah, they do, so they'll recycle. They'll
crush up the concrete and recycle it. Same with asphaltse
same with wood. It gets smolished. I don't think that
roofing shingles get recycled, but I think those will. They'll
just separate and throw them in the trash. This one
the reasons CNZ recycling is.

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Chris Consoles with us from discount path dot com. Somebody
brought up the topic before and we talked about style,
style and fashion in home and architectural designs. In my opinion,
is a mistake. Too many things come in and out
of fashion, and you can be stuck with a white
elephant or a is that what they call it when

(02:05:13):
you can't sell it, whatever it is, you can't get
rid of it, or you've narrowed down your buyer. You know,
I've known people who bought properties that looked a certain
way and at the time they were hot, hot, hot,
But man, when it comes to selling or it comes

(02:05:36):
to you know, it's hard sometimes and again these Frank
Lloyd right or I call it Frank Lloyd wrong. I
always call it that. I hate them. Some people love
that modern look. But no matter what, do you find
bathrooms with the same mistakes trends and bathrooms do you
have the more timeless? Do you have ones that you

(02:05:58):
recommend against talk about bathroom design and fashion.

Speaker 14 (02:06:01):
Yeah, so we recommend against bold colors unless you're planning
on staying in the house bold colors like really dark
blue or really like like.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
Like, you can make these porcelain sinks and bathrooms and toilets,
or they call them porcelain. They may not be actual porcelain,
but you can make any colors you want.

Speaker 14 (02:06:19):
Yeah, yeah, for sure. And you know it's typically with
tile or the wall finishes. We tell you know, paint's changeable.

Speaker 1 (02:06:26):
Paint it the color you want, right, Okay, paint fine,
But as far as the countertop material, the toilets, the sinks,
what do you recommend?

Speaker 14 (02:06:34):
Be neutral?

Speaker 1 (02:06:35):
Okay, be neutral like Switzerland.

Speaker 14 (02:06:38):
Yeah, exactly like likes.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
So you want bone or beige or white.

Speaker 14 (02:06:43):
White, like with the basin, you just want to stick
with white.

Speaker 1 (02:06:47):
Oh really okay, you wouldn't even go with bone or beige.

Speaker 14 (02:06:50):
Oh and it's special order anyway right now to get
like a bisk or a beige or something like that.
It's it's white now on that earth tones are coming back,
the skinny look is coming back. You're starting to see
a lot of right in the tile and that that really.

Speaker 1 (02:07:04):
But again, you could still have the Tuscany or timeless design,
the European look, the the the that kind of look.
You can still have that with white.

Speaker 14 (02:07:13):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and white white's clean. It looks right
in a.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Back and that would go with shower walls too. I
mean you could get crazy and you're never it's gonna
look terrible.

Speaker 14 (02:07:21):
Yeah, I mean we've done some really cool stuff, but
it was very taste specific to a person. But they
weren't leaving right.

Speaker 1 (02:07:29):
I actually saw one of these modern designs I could
not believe with avocado avocado appliances and avocado fixtures. My
God in heaven, I've never seen more ugly stuff in
my life. Then there was another one that was popular
for a while that really is still with the most
expensive kitchens, you can buy lachroneaut This what they call eggplant.

(02:07:55):
Think of eggplant. It's it's an eggplant hasn't really gone out,
but it's got to be in a very special house.

Speaker 14 (02:08:04):
Yeah, it's got to be for you.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
Yeah. What about tubs white again?

Speaker 5 (02:08:08):
Right?

Speaker 14 (02:08:08):
Right? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (02:08:10):
And what about standalone tubs on turtle feet or something
like that. Do they still do them?

Speaker 5 (02:08:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 14 (02:08:15):
I mean, and they're they're still popular in some.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
Are doing showers and tubs, not shower tub combas.

Speaker 14 (02:08:20):
So, the free standing tubs are very popular right now.
But there's some more modern looking versus the claw foot tubs.

Speaker 1 (02:08:27):
But in the right house cloth foot, I said, turtled
cloth fet.

Speaker 14 (02:08:30):
Yeah, but the clow foot still looks good in certain cases.
It matters the age of the home.

Speaker 3 (02:08:34):
And where it's at.

Speaker 1 (02:08:36):
And what about spas and all that inside of bathroom
spa tubs and all that. I think they're losing their luster.
I don't know, maybe I'm there's.

Speaker 14 (02:08:44):
Yeah, they're they're kind of out of style. There's a
big aval thing with speaking about like jeted tubs, right, yeah,
jetit tubs inside.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Them, and and and what about the the the tile
or sheet material or what what are we looking at
now for that for floors and walls maybe waans coating.
What are we looking at?

Speaker 14 (02:09:05):
Yeah, so the answer is yes, solid ball of it,
solid walls, you have tile walls. Tile is really beautiful nowadays.

Speaker 1 (02:09:12):
And I have seen more white subway tile. They call
it the rectangular. I love that look.

Speaker 3 (02:09:21):
It's timeless. It's a timeless look. Tom, It's centuries old.

Speaker 1 (02:09:25):
Yeah, And I don't think white subway would ever go
out of fashion.

Speaker 14 (02:09:28):
No, what goes out of fashion is white subway with
dark grout.

Speaker 1 (02:09:32):
Oh yeah, really gross? So what about ground. You want
to keep things neutral right again, yes, yeah, So if
you're doing a bathroom and you feel that it's not
a good design, I mean, do you go on record
or you just shut your mouth? What do you do?

Speaker 14 (02:09:47):
Our guys will go on record and.

Speaker 1 (02:09:49):
Just say this may not be recommended.

Speaker 14 (02:09:51):
Yeah, you say, you know again, it's your bathroom.

Speaker 3 (02:09:54):
Do what you want.

Speaker 14 (02:09:54):
But if you're planning on selling or you know, this
doesn't look that good. Together, the guys are really good
about now signing.

Speaker 1 (02:10:02):
I've known people who on purpose do a design and
they go against all norms and like, for example, some
people will do the Brady House. No, no, seriously, they
in California, there are a few people if you drive around,
they do it on purpose and it's for people that
this and they're kind of charming, but they're charming in

(02:10:23):
an isolated way. They don't fit in. But people want it.
They want to walk in, they want to see some
shag carpeting. They want to see it's kind of it's
kind of weird, but it's it goes because that's what
they want. In other words, it's intentional as opposed to
throwing it in. Right, Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 14 (02:10:42):
So you can get a look out of you know
you want to look and it goes with the rest
of your house.

Speaker 3 (02:10:47):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (02:10:48):
It's just like with fashion. I mean, there are people
that know that disc goes out, but literally they'll have
you know, they intentionally will do a disco outfit and
it's done. When you do things with intention, it is
so much different than doing it by mistake. I don't
know how to put that. But you know, when you
see someone and you think, you know, like it used

(02:11:09):
to be, if somebody showed up at an event in
a suit with running with sneakers, you would think, oh
my god, what a faux pot. Now it's kind of cool.
There are people that have air Jordan's and then I
saw them this weekend at an event.

Speaker 3 (02:11:26):
Like a business suit.

Speaker 17 (02:11:28):
Absolutely red and black shoes me black and white especially,
or red and white, and they look absolutely great.

Speaker 1 (02:11:39):
Now some of them wear them the high tops or
the regular ones, but I saw, in fact, I'll bet
you to me, I've seen more of that than any
other alternate shoe like Doc Martins or anything. I've seen
more running shoes. I call them running there. They're sneakers,
that's what they are. They're not all running and then,
But when it comes to that, I mean that's done

(02:12:01):
by intention. There are people that wear the new look.
Of course, no socks with dress shoes. It's everyone. In fact,
I'll bet you you'll see more people with dress shoes
and no socks than with socks.

Speaker 3 (02:12:21):
Oh that's disgusting.

Speaker 1 (02:12:22):
No, it happens all the time, all the time. They
might have little peds on underneath. I don't know, that's
my mother's turn, those little peds. But they might have
them on underneath. I don't know, but I've seen more now.
I never have done it, but I see it now.
This is what happens with fashion. This is what creates fashion.
Somebody does it, somebody dares to do it, and someone

(02:12:46):
then copies it. Then someone copies it. Then it becomes
the norm. Right now, No socks, dress shoes, Chris, do
you see it all the time? I see it all
the time. You haven't seen it, Dmitri, No, I need
to pay more attention to Come on, Come on, you
you you hang out with some hit people.

Speaker 3 (02:13:04):
Yeah, but they all have socks as far as I know.

Speaker 1 (02:13:08):
Another thing going away is the untucked look oh good,
and they're going for the tuck with a fancy belt
or the front tuck.

Speaker 3 (02:13:18):
What's the front tuck?

Speaker 1 (02:13:19):
Come on, think about it. The front tuck.

Speaker 3 (02:13:21):
Just the front of the shirt is stucked in.

Speaker 1 (02:13:22):
Okay, so you can see the belt. Yeah, and then
it drapes behind him. Hey, listen, fashion is fashion, right.
I mean it's not like I know fashion. I'm not
going to say I'm a fashion plate, but I do.
Okay for a seventy two year old man. Anyway, what
do you guys think? Three O three seven to one
three talk once some said it was no show socks.

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