The Troubleshooter 9-18-25

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shall ripped up bad news be needed by.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
So you don't have.

Speaker 1 (00:12):
Come run into Just as fast.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
As you can, Shooter's gonna help coming man.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
This is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martino.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, I'm Tom Martino. Welcome to the show. This is
proudly the only show of it's kind anywhere in the
universe where we are solving problems, answering questions, taking complaints,
and making your life a little easier. So welcome. And
what we're doing is taking your phone calls at three
zho three Martino, as we have been doing for many,

(00:46):
many years three oh three, six, two seven, eight, four
sixty six. The show's going on its forty fifth year
in Denver, Colorado. And uh, if you're new to the show, welcome.
I'm going to go right to the phones. You'll get
the We have some very important things to talk about today.
I'm just going to give you a hint. It's something
that will affect every single person, and it's health related

(01:12):
and it's an incredible point of view on things.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
So let's go to the phones.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
Though, I want to talk to Nancy with a construction question.
By the way, many people call three three Martino outside
of the show, and our promise to you is to
get you on the show. All you have to do
is leave contact information. So it's like appointment radio. You
call anytime you're listening. A lot of people listen to

(01:40):
the show. On the podcast. We have thousands and thousands
of downloads. So if you're listening on a treadmill at
night in Alaska, you can call the show. If you're
listening on the beach in South Carolina, you can call
the show. And seriously, it calls from all over. So
Nancy has a construction question. Nancy, welcome, start things off today.

(02:03):
What's going on with you? Nancy?

Speaker 6 (02:05):
Well, we're considering doing some kitchen and bathroom remodeling and
adding another bathroom. I always hear people call and say, well,
I'm giving him sixty thousand dollars. Right, it's right, you
say call before.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
All right? You know what? I am so happy about this, Nancy.
Is Chris in the studio right now. Chris, can you
turn on your mic? Chris course console is with discount
path dot com. He just happened to be scheduled today
to come on. We often have guests from our referral list,
but let me talk in general. I have no idea

(02:48):
how Chris does business, but I'm going to say some
things that are absolutely universal truths. Okay. Number one, when
you pay ahead and put money down yourself at risk.
Now does that mean people confuse what I'm saying and
they confuse it to mean never do it?

Speaker 5 (03:08):
Here's what I say.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
I personally do not like paying money upfront unless it's
under very specific circumstances. The reason is because you are
at risk as soon as you pay someone for something.
As soon as you pay them, you're at risk that
they're not.

Speaker 5 (03:28):
Going to do the job, but you've already paid.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
There are laws on the books that say the money
that you take as a contractor must be put in
trust for that job. It can't be co mingled. But
contractors all over take money, they get into trouble, they
are bad at bookkeeping, or it may not even be intentional,
and they end up broke and they need more money

(03:53):
to keep going, so they collect from the next job.
It's called robbing Peter to pay Paul. The bottom line
is I don't mind a down payment under certain circumstances.
I will never give it down payment simply to get
on someone's schedule. If they can't trust me to the
extent that they can start the job. I'm not going

(04:15):
to do business with them.

Speaker 5 (04:17):
Now.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
If a company does plans and specifications and prepares a contract,
I will pay accordingly for the plans and for the
planning time and all of that. If they order materials
and the materials are delivered to my job site, I'll

(04:40):
pay for the materials. And if they have a profit
built in, I don't care. As long as I have
the final price. I don't mind paying whatever people say, Well,
you know, they marked up those materials too much. I
don't care about anything about the job except the final
price and the quality of materials I'm getting. So I

(05:00):
would pay if construction begins day one, if materials are
delivered to my home, or if plans have been done,
I will pay for that. I will pay nothing for nothing. Okay,
So that's my personal way of doing things. For example,
Excel Roofing, which is one of my sponsors, they don't

(05:21):
Their expression is you don't pay a cent until you're content. Now,
some contractors don't have the wherewithal to do that, so
you pay as you go. There is nothing wrong with
paying money upfront under certain circumstances that I just outlined.
Even then, if you pay money upfront, I would rather

(05:42):
you do it with a credit card so it can
be contested, or in some if it's a big project,
a construction management account at a title company where inspections
are done and money is doled out according to phases
of the construction. Now people might think, Tom, this is
all so so detailed. Why can't I just you know,

(06:03):
wing it? Because you can't. Construction and contractors are the
number one area of ripoff. It used to be cars,
it used to be way back in the day. Mail order.
You know, we don't even have mail. We don't call
it mail order. We go on Amazon or all that
their drop ship. But what I'm saying is contractors, home

(06:23):
contractors for everything, for everything in the house. Just think
of a contractor that comes to your house and does
a service. That is the number one area of consumer ripoff. So, Nancy, I,
if you're doing a kitchen in bath, have you interviewed
people yet? Have you interviewed them as far as how

(06:44):
they do business or have you gotten any estimates?

Speaker 6 (06:47):
Not yet? Okay, we're just starting that process.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
I happen to have Chris with me from discount Bath
dot com. And again this is a cold call. Chris
didn't know I was going to ask him this. Chris
at discount bath dot com, you said you do primarily baths,
but you have done kitchens. Does that mean you do
kitchens and baths for sure.

Speaker 7 (07:09):
We do bathrooms for sure. Kitchens are really gotten outside
of our scope. We just don't.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Okay, all right, that's thank you.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
I love someone who has a scope of business and
knows what they're doing. Now, I'd like to ask you
as far as bathrooms go, and by the way, there's
nothing wrong with having a separate contractor do each. I'd
rather consolidate it if I can. But Chris, I'm speaking
just now, Discount Bath. How do you do business at
Discount Bath when it comes to a contract estimates, materials down, payments,

(07:40):
payment structure.

Speaker 5 (07:41):
How do you do it?

Speaker 7 (07:42):
Yeah, so we do it somewhat similar to what you said.
So we do fifty percent down. That covers all the materials.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
God, that's a lot of you do half down up front.

Speaker 7 (07:52):
It covers all of the materials. It covers and we
can deliver them to the house. Most folks don't want to,
so we put them in our warehouse. But we're comfortable
either way. Typically you're six to seven weeks out, four
to six depending on the project, so people don't really
want to store them for a month.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
But let me ask you this. So, so Chris again,
people you're you're going to hear a dichotomy. You're going
to say, well, you know, he's not doing it the
way you like it. That's true. I don't tell people
how to do business. Do I think you can trust Chris?
Of course I do. And discount back, of course they do.
I'm talking in generalities. But let me ask you this, Chris.
You're telling me that you take fifty down six or

(08:34):
seven weeks ahead of time.

Speaker 7 (08:36):
Yeah, depending on what the project is. Sometimes it's four
weeks ahead of time. But we're what we're doing is work,
you do.

Speaker 2 (08:44):
What do you do with that money?

Speaker 7 (08:45):
Yep? So what that what that money does is it
gets the materials in house, they're stored, It gets the
plans drawn up, It gets the project manager, you know,
freight delivery taxes.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Basically, so this is all being done with that downpayment, correct. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (09:00):
So basically when we start the job, we're even the
customer has all their materials and all their planning, and frankly,
our overhead and profit comes after we put the job in.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
So you're not doing and I'm not trying to put
words in your mouth, but you're not taking fifty percent
for nothing. You're saying you immediately order the materials and
get them delivered to you. And is the are the
materials in the name of that consumer? Yep?

Speaker 7 (09:29):
Correct, So we have palettes set up in the.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
Work goodness, and I can verify that. So now I
have materials. So if something happened those materials bought and
paid for, I can prove it. Number Two, you do plans, correct,
So you have an engineer or an architect that does
the plans, and that starts on day one as well.

Speaker 7 (09:48):
Yeah, well, so let me be clear, it starts on
the fourth day. So we wait three days just to
make sure everything's clear. And the customers have their three
day receipts.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
That's right, because they have a three day right to
rescind under Colorado law if you sign the contract in
their home. So I understand that you want to make
sure they're ready to go. You buy the materials, you
put them aside. You then get an architect working on
plans and during the process. Do you have plan reviews?

Speaker 7 (10:15):
We don't, you know, it's something that we're trying to implement.
What we're doing now is we're notifying the customers that, hey,
your materials have been ordered. Hey, your materials have arrived.

Speaker 5 (10:24):
But what I'm saying is the final plan.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Though, when you go, when you meet with the consumer
or they take a video of what they want, you
must have a sketch or something that you show them
before the architect dives into it.

Speaker 7 (10:39):
Yeah, so that happens at the front end, right, So
the design consultants are there and they go through everything, right,
that's what I want, and then they draw up a sketch,
they get all the details on the materials.

Speaker 5 (10:51):
This comes so by the.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
Time the work begins, let's say three or four weeks.
By the time work begins, consumers have seen a final plan.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Yeah, they'd like to. Most of the time the guys
show up and say, here's what I'm doing. I'm just
confirming that this is what you had.

Speaker 2 (11:05):
But yeah, okay, yeah, Chris, I love your candor really do.
By the way, and we just for the record, we
have no complaints about Chris or discount bath And next question,
when do you get paid.

Speaker 7 (11:16):
Again, it depends on the length of the project. So
most of our projects we get paid when we're finished. However,
if we're doing a large master bathroom, we collect in
progress payments, so okay, if we've determined that it's a
four week project or a five week project, we break
that down on a weekly payment so that we're always
on equal footing with the customer and they're on equal

(11:37):
footing with us.

Speaker 2 (11:39):
Okay, thank you very much. Discount bath dot COM's our
guests happened to be that so so, Nancy, my recommendation
is this. I, as I said, I don't like down payments.
I don't mind them. If materials are ordered and delivered
in my name, I don't mind them. If plans are
being done in my name, and I can verify all

(11:59):
of this, and then, of course it depends on the
company as to how much I trust them. I just
because Chris and discount Bath is on the referral list,
they're pretty trustworthy. However, there's nothing in the world that's
a sure thing. Nothing, nothing, nothing, So it's possible you

(12:21):
could pay a company money and the company goes under. Obviously,
that's why we at the referral List, we check a
company solvency track record, lawsuits, background, everything, so we do that.
But if you're looking at contractors, Nancy, make sure that
you know exactly how they're going to use your funds.

(12:42):
And I would prefer companies that don't take money until
the work because Chris is saying, well, we're kind of
is beginning. We have the materials and we're drawing up plans,
so that's up to you now, Nancy, I would definitely
not put money for nothing. Okay, I just wouldn't do it.

(13:03):
And if you want, if you go to the referral List,
you will find I'm not saying anyone's perfect, but we've
never had anyone obscond with money and just go belly up.
That doesn't mean it can happen.

Speaker 5 (13:15):
But if you're.

Speaker 2 (13:16):
Looking for baths, Discount Bath does a great job. Genesis
Total Exteriors. They also do kitchens and baths. The name
is Genesis Total Exteriors, but they do kitchens and bath
We also have many other wonderful home improvement companies at
referral List.

Speaker 5 (13:32):
And again I don't mind telling you that.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
I mean that's why I started the referral List, because
I wanted people who could.

Speaker 5 (13:43):
Be trusted, and that's the whole purpose.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
So if you go to referral list dot com, that'll
give you a good start on AAA.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Home Improvements has been with us for many, many, many many.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Years and they're wonderful national home improvement company.

Speaker 5 (14:01):
We have.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Handyman Hub. Of course, you'll have to see the extent
they want to do it. These are people we've been
around a long time, high planes contracting, Valero construction and roofing.
We have lit's see. I'm just going down our list.
I put in the keyword improvements and I came up

(14:23):
with this, so you will. You will have a good
time starting there. But keep in mind that that it's
very risky no matter who you're dealing with when you
put money down up front ahead of the game. Did
you have any specific questions on anything else on that, Nancy,
because this is a big undertaking it is.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
Yeah, you were saying something about getting in construction. I
don't know, is that a loan or just a title company?

Speaker 5 (14:56):
Oh? A management account?

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Is this? When you have a consc struction loan, it
usually happens. However, title companies can do a construction management
account and you pay for that, and what that is
is they keep your money and escrow and dole out
payments in phases based on work done. This is usually
done for very, very large projects. Chris console with discount bath.

(15:21):
I'm not sure they would do that on just a kitchen, bathroommodel.
Do you know, Chris, have you ever dealt with them?
We have not? Okay, but a construction management account, you know,
I ought to educate a title company on how to
do those.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
They do them routinely for.

Speaker 2 (15:39):
Construction of custom homes and large additions. They may not
do it for smaller, smaller jobs, but I could certainly
talk to one on a few. That's probably an area
in the referral list we should start. So what it is, Nancy,
a construction management account. You can hire an independent and

(16:00):
in person to look out for your I would still
have stuff inspected as you go, Nancy, No matter what,
you do, have stuff because you don't know if it's
done right or not. I would have a home inspector
who knows the area that I'm working in, and I
would have that home inspector do inspections along the way
and then make payments accordingly. Again, Chris is saying, wait

(16:23):
a minute, Tom, I'm on your referralists.

Speaker 5 (16:25):
People are supposed to trust me.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Why would that have, Chris, you would have no problems
with an independent inspector looking at the work.

Speaker 7 (16:32):
Right, No, not at all. You'd want to get a
good inspector.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yeah, so really, Nancy, there is no one size fits
all each job. If you want to be walked through
this job, you call us each step of the way.

Speaker 5 (16:46):
Every step of the way.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
In fact, if you go to the referrals and pick
a contractor and they present you with a contract, we'd
be happy to have someone look at it and I'll
have recommendations. It's not one and done here with you.
When you call, you ask for information. We are truly
here to help consumers, and I mean hands on help.
So once we have deputies here, we call them our volunteers,

(17:10):
deputies who will look at a contract. We have attorneys
who can help you. So start out at referrals dot
com and do some interviews. I'm way over time. I
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Speaker 5 (19:06):
Gary, what's going on with your property?

Speaker 2 (19:08):
Gary? How can we help you?

Speaker 8 (19:11):
Hi?

Speaker 9 (19:11):
Tom, I actually bought a piece of property next to
your old home in Fox Creek.

Speaker 2 (19:18):
Oh really, are you? Are you in the Fox Creek subdivision?

Speaker 9 (19:23):
Yes? I am, it's the Snow property.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Oh what a beautiful property.

Speaker 5 (19:28):
You know.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
I developed that whole subdivision because back in the day,
I want listen to this, I wanted thirty five acres
or more, and I wanted a nice home. And back
when I got to Colorado, everything that had more than
five acres had ravines with old cars in it, and

(19:52):
ugly outbuildings and shacks and all kinds of crap. You
could not find acreage with luxury homes. So I bought
this big ranch and I from the blood. Anyway, it
doesn't matter what family was. I bought this giant ranch
and divided it up and did some pretty strict covenants.

(20:14):
Is is the neighborhood still really beautiful?

Speaker 9 (20:18):
The neighborhood's really beautiful. And we've lived here for We
bought it from the builder in twenty twelve and we've
lived here since and everything's been spectacular.

Speaker 2 (20:31):
Okay, So what is going on with you?

Speaker 9 (20:35):
Well, last year the neighbor of the owner of your
old property sold it and the new owner had a
survey done, and according to the existing survey, it appears
the only survey ever recorded was the original one you

(20:56):
did when you did the plot plat map.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Well, here's what we did when I did that original subdivision.
Of course we had to have the survey done to
go through our process. But every time someone built, they
also did an improvement survey, because I know I did.
In fact, I had the sub division survey and all

(21:19):
the lots were broken out, all that and the roads
and the common areas and the bridle paths. But then
when I went to build, because I was the first
house in there, they said you need a survey, and
they said, I just did a survey and they said, no,
you need a survey for your individual lot and home.
It's called an improvement survey. So how did this affect you?
What's going on with it?

Speaker 9 (21:41):
Well, it appears that none of the improvement surveys ever
got recorded with the county because this person bought he
had it resurveyed. So now I basically have no access
to the road. And he's claiming that, well, what.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
Road are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (22:01):
You don't have any access to the main the main road,
the main road.

Speaker 9 (22:06):
The Fox Creek Trail.

Speaker 5 (22:09):
Yeah, but they can't. They can't withhold that.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
That's all common area and it's built into every lot,
for example, each each lot borders that road.

Speaker 5 (22:19):
We don't have any lots that were landlocked.

Speaker 9 (22:23):
Well they've according to this survey, the only survey that's recorded.
That's the case. And he's he's decided that he's he
owns all this proper. So he's trying to take.

Speaker 5 (22:34):
You with them.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Gary, he can't keep you, he can't keep you from
accessing that main road.

Speaker 9 (22:40):
Yeah. Well his concession is he's going to give me
a ten foot easement, but I'm not not allowed to
maintain the entrance. The sprinkler system that snow's put in
or the lighting is all on his property and I'm
not allowed to I'm not supposed to touch it. And
he's got an attorney that's suing me to take over
the Well.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
Okay, so you have a lot next to my old house, right, correct,
And the guy that owns my old house, he is
saying that, according to the survey, you do.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Not have access to that cul de sac.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
Correct. Well, I find that impossible because I mean, look,
how many years. How many years has it been now
it's been thirty five years or something. I mean, I
mean all of a sudden, he is saying, yeah.

Speaker 9 (23:32):
It's been This house was built in two thousands, so
it's been twenty five years. And that's the issue because
the people that built the property, the snows destroyed all
the paperwork they had when they sold their business, the
engineering firm they had, which I believe was Archer.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Archer, right, Yeah, we listen. Archer was the best. Archer
was the best.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
I don't know, Well, you might want to verify the
survey they had done. Did did the people in my
old house do a resurvey of the whole area or
just their lot, just their lot?

Speaker 9 (24:15):
And it shows their lot taking over my entrances, and
it also blocks a small portion of the property next
the other lot next door, but it's only about thirty
feet of his driveway.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
Well, they're not Gary. I don't know what to tell you.
I would I don't know what to tell you. I
would be so surprised if they try to block your
access to the damn cul de sac. I mean, every
single lot in that subdivision has access to the main road.
Are they actually are they going to make you buy
an access? What is their game? What are they trying

(24:52):
to do? What is the bottom line? What are they
trying to do. Are they trying to keep you from
using the damn cul de sac and road?

Speaker 9 (25:01):
Well, they're trying. They're a concession is that they'll give
me a ten foot easement to access my property. What
they're trying to do is keep me. When we had
a meeting with them, we tried to like, hey, yeah, what.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
Is their concern? Why are they shutting you down? What
I mean, normally no one would care where the existing
driveway is. Are they saying your existing driveway is where
snow had the driveway is encroaching on their property?

Speaker 9 (25:28):
Yes? Yes, so the wealthy improvements addicted, the walls, the deal,
the drive well sprinkler.

Speaker 2 (25:36):
You know what, you know what that could I mean,
that could be he could have built it encroaching. I
don't know about that. But what I do know is
that every single home has access to the main road.

Speaker 5 (25:48):
Everyone.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Now, if he built his driveway onto their property, that
would have been my property at the time. I don't
recall ever.

Speaker 5 (25:58):
I mean I never went up and measured.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
I never said to him, Hey, Dick, are you sure
that that driveway is on your property? I actually never
did that. So the bottom line is they're saying that
the way that house was built and the way the
driveway is situated, it encroaches on their property.

Speaker 10 (26:18):
Correct, And they're all right.

Speaker 5 (26:19):
I got to take a break.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I want to know what you need because if the guy,
he either built the driveway the right way or he
built it the wrong way. But even if he built
it the wrong way, it's been there more than eighteen years.
So I want you to hang on. Let's try to
get Brad O'Brien on as well. I'm Tom martine go

(26:44):
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sixteen twenty two. Hi Tom Martino here, welcome three oh
three seven one three talk three oh three seven one
three A two five five. So let's go to the

(27:29):
phones and see what your concerns are. We do have
Brad O'Brien on who is O'Brien Legal Services. He does
real estate law and everything associated with real estate. Hey Brad,
so I want to paint this picture for you. Back

(27:50):
more than thirty years ago, there was a subdivision developed
and we had I forget how many lots, but they
were all thirty five acre lots. It was all approved
by the state and the county and it became a subdivision.
Over the years, people built homes and with each home
that I'm aware of, there was an improvement survey done

(28:12):
that the banks required now looking at my records this
particular house, I'm not throwing stones at anyone, but this
particular house did not have a mortgage on it, so
technically there may not have been anyone.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
To insist on an improvement survey.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
As you know, Brad, when you're building a new home
or building on a property and you have a construction
loan and later a permanent loan, these lenders want to
see improvement surveys before they take the property as a collateral.
I mean, they want to make sure it's a clean property.
So most mortgage and I'm not going to say most

(28:54):
all mortgage companies want to see an improvement survey before
they mortgage property. And I don't know what happened back
this many years ago, but recently Gary found out that
the driveway that's been there for years and years. Gary,
I think that thing. When did you say it was built,

(29:16):
that house and driveway?

Speaker 9 (29:18):
It was two thousand.

Speaker 5 (29:21):
I thought it was even before that.

Speaker 9 (29:24):
But Dick had owned the property before that. But he
actually built this house in two thousand.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
Okay, so Dick built his neighbor, or not his neighbor.
The guy that used to have that house built it
in two twenty five years ago. Now Gary owns this property,
and Gary is being told by his neighbor that your
driveway encroaches on my lot? Is that right, Gary?

Speaker 9 (29:54):
That's correct? Yeah? And my driveway my entrance, Dick. I mean,
it's got to be thirty to fifty thousand dollars worth
of improvements. It's a cement driveway, there's kind there's a
brick walls.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Does he want you to move the does he want
you to move the driveway?

Speaker 9 (30:12):
And he doesn't want well, I can't get an answer,
as attorney's kind of difficult to deal with, and what
he's wanting is just I have no access to it.
He'll get me an easement. But I'm not supposed to
water the lawn. I'm supposed to shut off the irrigation
system on his property. I'm not supposed to trim any
trees on his property.

Speaker 5 (30:30):
What?

Speaker 2 (30:31):
Gary? What?

Speaker 5 (30:32):
What is Israel? It seems to me?

Speaker 2 (30:35):
And I remember this these adjacent properties very well because
I lived in one of them and Dick lived in
the other. But as I remember those properties well, actually
that might have been after I moved out. But no matter,
what what I'm saying is these two adjacent properties are beautiful,
and what would be the harm of just leaving the

(30:57):
driveway where it is? And why would do not want
you to manicure it and keep it? How is that
affecting him in a negative way? There's only if Dick.
If Dick or the previous owner built that driveway in
the wrong place, I'm not saying he did, but let's
say he did. What harm is it doing the neighbor?

Speaker 9 (31:21):
It's not doing anything. The first time I ever, he
only purchased it late last year. The first time I
met him, I tried to introduce myself and he goes,
you know a lot of your improvements around my property,
and I'm taking him from you. And I tried to explain.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
So, Brad, if this driveway was out there for that
many years, does Gary have a right to keep it
the way it is?

Speaker 11 (31:46):
Well, he may have a title to the encroaching the
part of the driveway that encroaches onto the neighbor's property
through ver's possession. That's the eighteen year statute. That is
a very complex and nuanced type of a claim. A
lot of it's very fact intensive, So I can't say
based on.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Limited When you say fact intensive, wouldn't you just have
to show it's been in continuous use, open for everyone
to see, notorious and not hidden. That's part of it.

Speaker 11 (32:18):
But law chains in two thousand and eight where there
are now additional elements that have to be met to
make the claim, for example, good faith belief that the
property was yours when you started adverse possessing, and that
is a new element that may or may not apply.

Speaker 9 (32:34):
It's wondrying, according to my attorney, that I can't claim
adverse possession because I didn't say or serve him and
notice that he was trespassing on my property. It's just
been kind of a mutual agreement for twenty five years
because everybody thought so my sprinkler says on my lighting

(32:56):
and whatever. Basically, just follow is about twelve feet from
the driveway, follows the contour or the driveway to the
center of the cul de sat.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
All right, I gotta, I gotta take this break because
we're we're gonna run right out of time, and I
want to get Brad's last thoughts on this.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
Hold on right after.

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so I'm gonna go right to Brad O'Brien. Brad in

(33:56):
a case like this, where does they're telling Gary they're
going to shut off his access? What does he do
in a case like that? I mean, when this subdivision
was developed, each lot was given access to the cul
de sac and to the main road. I know that
because I developed the subdivision. However, I had no power

(34:18):
in where people put their driveways. So if this driveway
was encroaching all of this time, will can they actually
just shut it off?

Speaker 11 (34:31):
Adverse possession title transfers automatically, so hearing would be the
new owner. You go to court to confirm that.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
So Gary you have to do again. I'm so sorry
for the time constraints. But you have to start an
adverse possession. And I don't know why your attorney said
you had to send him notice he was trespassing.

Speaker 5 (34:56):
That's not part of it.

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Speaker 5 (35:58):
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Speaker 2 (36:00):
If you're here, you know, taking your calls, solving problems,
answering questions a little on that adverse possession. You don't
have to tell someone you're trespassing on my property. For
it to be adverse possession, he needs to get himself
a real estate attorney. Adverse possession is automatic, then you

(36:22):
have to go and solidify it in court. But it's
an eighteen year period of using openly using property. So
you can't go to the back six hundred acres of
somebody's property and claim a little strip for yourself. It
has to be open and notorious. It has to be known,
and that piece of property in this case, this guy's

(36:44):
driveway had to be in constant use, maintained by the
owner and for everyone to see. And certainly that driveway
was there for twenty five years or twenty four years.
The dead driveway has been there all of a sudden
the neighbor now is just moved in says, you can't

(37:07):
use that. Why would he care? If you saw this subdivision.
It has a cul de sac, and the property I
had is on part of the slice of the pie
of the cul de sac, and the property next to
where I was, which is what Dick built there. Supposedly,
Dick built the driveway encroaching on what was my property.

Speaker 5 (37:30):
As I remember the property, it was beautiful. All of the.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
Driveways line up perfectly on the cul de Sac, and
they all have their little entrance off the cul de sac.

Speaker 5 (37:42):
Why would you upset that?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Why would you say you're encroaching and I'm going to
take it. I mean, even if it was encroaching, what
harm is it doing? It's a few feet on his
side of the property line? Why would he care? So
I would go for the adverse possession. That thing was
openly used for many, many, many many years, and I

(38:06):
often wonder, you know, what is that all about? That
goes far beyond a property line. I mean, so that
guy that's living in my house, my previous house, I
wonder if he knows about all the secret passages I had. Yeah,
so it's a beautiful home. Hope he's enjoying it. But

(38:27):
why would he make life miserable for his neighbor? So
that neighbor was there before him, and then when he
moved in, he said, some of your improvements are encroaching,
and I'm going to take them. I just don't understand it.
We have Chris with us from discount path dot com
and Chris does a unique bidding process. People go to

(38:52):
the website, get an upload link, then take some video
of what they want and these guys were able to
price it. So I have a quick question for you, Chris.
Then I'm going to Carmen. Carmen hang on, in fact,
bring Carmen up. I'll take them. But Chris, Yeah, what
percentage of these estimates come in low or high?

Speaker 7 (39:14):
Like?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
In other words, are is it pretty dependable when you
price off of a video?

Speaker 7 (39:19):
Yeah? Yeah, we can. I do want to address the video.
We're bringing that in house and I've got a guy
programming it. So it's currently down, but it'll be back
up in the next few weeks.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Oh, let me know about that, because that's one of
the highlights people love.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
So how are you changing it? Is it still going
to be.

Speaker 7 (39:40):
Outsourced to another company and we were having trouble with
them and okay, it wasn't reliable. So I've got a
guy building it for us.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
And will it automatically price through AI or will you
have to look at the video and put a price
to it.

Speaker 7 (39:54):
Right now, we're looking at the video and putting a
price to it.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
I think that's an accurate way of doing it. Yep.

Speaker 7 (40:03):
And then we've also got the the app that we
have built, which it's out there it's called the bath App,
and you can get that by downloading it on Apple
and it'll give you an estimate, not an exact price,
but you can go in there and design your bathroom,
play with it, see what it's going to look like.

Speaker 2 (40:23):
And is it tied to your company or is it
just anybody can use it?

Speaker 7 (40:27):
Anybody can use it.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
Currently, Okay, and it's called the bath app. Yes, correct, Okay,
let's talk to Carmen. Exfinity Mobile. We talked about that before.
Exfinity Mobile is a very ingenious way. They've knitted all
of the modems together out there for their Exfinity customers,

(40:49):
and they piggyback onto the consumer's modem, which makes a
large Wi Fi network, and then they use towers only
when those Wi Fis are not available.

Speaker 5 (41:00):
So what's your problem, Carmen?

Speaker 12 (41:05):
So, yes, my problem is on July seventh, I called
Exfinity to request international travel paths because I was going
to be traveling to the UK on July fourteenth through
the twenty fifth, and so they set me up with
a service on July seventh, So I was okay with that.

Speaker 5 (41:31):
And what was the service? What was the service.

Speaker 12 (41:33):
Called International Global Path.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
And this is for out of the country, yes.

Speaker 8 (41:44):
Uh huh, and it was ten dollars a day.

Speaker 12 (41:48):
So I called them back just to confirm, and I
spoke to a different rep and he told me I
didn't need it because it was included with my service.
And I was like totally taken aback, and you know,
I confirmed, Are you sure? And he said, oh, yeah,
it's part of your pet your cell phone service. And

(42:10):
I thought, well, okay. Then, so I'm traveling to Europe
and I'm getting these emails that I, oh, like fifteen
hundred dollars. So I called Extinity and I asked them, what.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
What would it normally cost, Carmen if you signed up
for this, what does it normally cost.

Speaker 12 (42:28):
Ten dollars a day?

Speaker 5 (42:31):
Okay, but you were told you didn't have to even.

Speaker 12 (42:34):
Do that, right, so they can Okay, yeah, they canceled
the service now, but I didn't need it, so I
told them that I was not going to pay that
fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
But what is the fifth The part I don't understand
is this, what's the fifteen hundred What was that for?

Speaker 12 (42:52):
It's for the usage, the phone usage? I used my
phone for data I was using.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Okay, so if so, what you're saying is this, Carmen,
if somebody goes overseas with a phone and they don't
have a special plan, they will pay top retail, which
is what they were charging you for and you thought
it would right, So you're getting the top retail for
people that don't have a plan and you were told

(43:20):
you did have a plan. Do you have anything in
writing that says, hey, Carmen, you don't need this, you
already have it.

Speaker 12 (43:28):
I do I have it. I have an email in
which I had elected the service, and I have an
email that says that I do not need it. I
canceled to cancel.

Speaker 5 (43:39):
And where were you traveling.

Speaker 12 (43:43):
To London, Ireland and Scotland?

Speaker 2 (43:47):
Okay, so prior to your trip you called, they said
you don't need it, and you had that in writing. Yes, okay,
Well it seems to me that are they trying to
come after you for the fifteen hundred bucks?

Speaker 12 (44:05):
Now, well, listen, this is what happened. They they pulled
the money from my bank account.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
Right because you're on autopay?

Speaker 12 (44:16):
Right, No, I'm not. I am not on autopay.

Speaker 2 (44:21):
How did they? Man?

Speaker 5 (44:22):
How do you pay them? How do you with a check.

Speaker 12 (44:26):
With my debit cards. I call and I make the
payment with my debit cards. And what they did was
they put me on auto pay and they pulled that
money out of my bank account. I called them and
I made a dispute with my bank and I told him,
you know, hey, this is brob They pulled money out
of my account illegally. They should not have done that.

(44:49):
And so my bank gave me a provisional fifteen hundred
dollars of which I had no idea that they did that.
And so in the meantime, I am communicating with Infinity
and they are going through the recordings and they found
the recording of which good person did tell me.

Speaker 8 (45:11):
That I did not?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Okay?

Speaker 5 (45:13):
And what okay?

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Good, So, Carmen, they have a recording of someone telling
you you don't need it.

Speaker 5 (45:19):
What are they doing about it?

Speaker 10 (45:22):
Nothing.

Speaker 12 (45:22):
They told me that they were going to fire the guy.
They apologized, they were going to give me my money back.
Just twenty six on August twenty nine, I received a
fifteen hundred dollars credit into my account. I thought it
was Exfinity, but it was not Exfinity. It was my bank.

(45:44):
They gave me the provisional so that they would go
after Exfinity and collect the fifteen hundred dollars. So in
the meantime they were communicating, Exfinity said this was a
legitimate charge, and so my bank said, okay, if it's
a legitimate charge, then we cannot help you with the dispute.

(46:08):
They pulled back to fifteen hundred dollars and I'm still
out fifteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
All right, So all of that was I understand you
had to tell me all of that. But here's the
current problem. You were charged fifteen hundred dollars for overseas
use of your phone when you were told that you
didn't need a special plan.

Speaker 5 (46:30):
So what I.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
Need to do is you said they located the phone
call where the Infinity rep told you it was built
into your plan.

Speaker 5 (46:41):
Did you get a copy of it?

Speaker 8 (46:44):
No?

Speaker 12 (46:45):
I did not.

Speaker 8 (46:47):
I did not get okay it.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Did they acknowledge in an email that they found it
on the audio tape or is there any kind of
written acknowledgment that you were told this?

Speaker 5 (46:57):
Because if you were told this.

Speaker 12 (46:59):
Phone, it was a phone and all their phone calls
are recorded.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Okay, you're gonna have to You're gonna have if they
don't do this voluntarily for us, You're gonna have to
go and sue them a small claims court for the
fifteen hundred bucks, claiming that what would the charges have
been with if it was built into your plan as promised,
would there would there have been additional charges?

Speaker 10 (47:26):
No?

Speaker 12 (47:26):
What ten dollars a day time? Ten?

Speaker 5 (47:30):
So one hundred?

Speaker 12 (47:31):
What one hundred dollars? Two hundred dollars the most.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
So you would sue them for the difference.

Speaker 2 (47:38):
But if you call them right now, if you call
them right now and say I should not have been
charged the fifteen hundred bucks, do they simply deny that
you were told this?

Speaker 5 (47:49):
Or do they say that guy was fired.

Speaker 12 (47:52):
They told me that what they needed to do was research,
and uh.

Speaker 2 (47:57):
I'm not talking about before, I'm talking of now. What
is their stance right now?

Speaker 12 (48:04):
They would tell me the same thing. They're giving me
the run around. They're giving me the run around.

Speaker 13 (48:09):
Now.

Speaker 12 (48:09):
They're telling me that they need to go back and
they need to research and investigate and find out what happened.
And yeah, and they have all the information, but now
they're backtelling they're making me start over again.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
This sucks, Tom, It's the perfect case for just suing
them in small claims court. I guarantee you if she
serves them, they'll they'll fork up the fifteen hundred bucks. Yeah,
turn your mic off for a second. Yep. That's where
the buzz is on those studio mics. Do you hear
the buzz as soon as he turned it on?

Speaker 9 (48:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (48:48):
I got it from doc. Yeah, okay, yep. So anyway,
so anyway, here's what we're gonna do. I'm going to
get someone to work on this and simply say to Exfinity,
why would you go back on this? Are they going
to deny? Here's what I need to know, Carmen. Will
they deny that you were told this? Will they deny it?

(49:08):
Right now? I don't want to go back to the past.
I want to ask you what you think will they
deny it? Is that their new stands. No, they won't
deny it. So they're going to say to us, yes,
we told her it was included in her plan and
she didn't need the global pass, but we charged her. Anyway,

(49:29):
that's what they're going to tell you. They're going to
have to say to us that they lied to you
and now.

Speaker 5 (49:37):
They get to collect from you.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
They're going to admit that I want Deputy Deputy d
I want you to take this. I can't believe that
you have acknowledgment that they said this to you and
they're refusing to stand behind it.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
It is absolutely ridiculous.

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(51:05):
a troubleshooter three or three seven to one three talk
seven to one three eight two five five. Chris, we
have a we have a text for you on the
bathrooms they will and specifically it's about the roughed in
area in the basement where only the pipes are there.

(51:25):
Do you build a bathroom up from that basement? Or
they want to put a bathroom down there before they
finish the whole thing, but all they have, you know
how some people in their basements have the rough ends
for the hot and cold and the drain for the
toilet and the sink. Can you take those stubs and
make a bathroom around it? Y's correct?

Speaker 7 (51:46):
Yeah, Well, okay, we'll frame it in, help with the design,
move the plumbing, get everything going, yep.

Speaker 2 (51:53):
And have it there for their future remodel.

Speaker 7 (51:56):
Correct, yep. So we'll leave the how do I describe
this the side walls, not the bathroom walls in the inside.
Will leave that unfinished and then they can tie in
with their framing or whatever they do.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
You know, there are trends in everything, like right now,
if you ride around Denver. You're going to see a
bunch of followers of Joanna Gaines. You know you're gonna
You're just gonna find them. And what you're gonna see
are barn doors, black siding, black windows, wind peaks, you

(52:27):
know they have the twin gable peaks, and then in
between you under do you know what I'm talking about, Chris,
the design or the fashion of the time. Again, there
are some classic designs, There are some classic construction modes
that never go out of well, they kind of stay
in vogue, they stay in shape or in fashion. But

(52:50):
there are trends, and I laughingly call some of them
Frank Lloyd wrong as opposed to Frank Lloyd right. That
design has been around for years. That's square boxy. Hey
I'm a museum, No, I'm a house. Am I a
law office or a dental office? No, I'm a house.
And then the other one, now are the black houses.

(53:13):
And we can thank Joanna gains for that. So my
question is are there trends fashion trends in bathrooms?

Speaker 7 (53:23):
Yeah, for sure. The one that we see the most
is probably the color of the cabinets. So you start
like blue was really in green kind of gets in
so now wood tones are back in, so we see
a lot of that. We went from the Great period.
Now we're moving back into earth tones. Both of those

(53:43):
can go back and forth because they're good neutrals.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
But yeah, there are definitely fashion and design absolutely, And
what about like on a personal note, like sinks. I
never really liked a vessel sink, but they got real
popular for a while.

Speaker 5 (54:01):
Our vessels sink still popular.

Speaker 7 (54:03):
No, not at all. People realize they have to clean
both sides of the sink.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah, a vessel sink, by the way, for those listenings
like a big giant spaghetti bowl. Yep, that's set down
into a hole in the counter part of it's up.
You know, it's just a big it's a vessel sink,
exactly exactly.

Speaker 7 (54:23):
Are the pea green toilets ever coming back? Yeah, they're
coming back.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
No, you're kidding, right. You know.

Speaker 7 (54:30):
Color at the last big trade show in Vegas had
those colors and they had people voting on it. I
can't recall which color won. They had the pink, the yellow,
the green.

Speaker 2 (54:42):
I think the most the most ugly I've ever seen. Chris,
remember when the appliance has had the not just avocado.

Speaker 7 (54:50):
But burnt harvest gold.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It was like avocado, and the edges were like burnt colors.
Oh yeah, I don't know what you call it, crap avocado.

Speaker 7 (55:02):
Or ugly seventies?

Speaker 5 (55:05):
Now I do hear that?

Speaker 2 (55:07):
And this one texture said, have you seen the new
designer colors for appliances? I guess there are some Pastel's
and some other colors, and another big one is eggplant. Yep.
Now do you advise people when they're putting in their
bath about fashion and about being careful not to date

(55:29):
their house?

Speaker 7 (55:30):
Yeah, we do. You know, again, it's opinion, right, But
my opinion is, if you're staying and you know you're
not going anywhere, do what you want. If there's a chance,
even a small chance that you're going to sell, keep
it neutral. If you're going to do color, do it
with paint. That's easy to change.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
All right, let's talk to our caller here. Hey, Hank,
what is going on in your life? Hank?

Speaker 5 (55:54):
Good to hang. I'm trying to find when did you call.

Speaker 14 (55:56):
First Friday at noon?

Speaker 2 (56:00):
Okay, yeah, all right, so let's talk about it. What's
going on with you?

Speaker 5 (56:05):
Well, we have a twenty three, it's your.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
Twenty three Dodge rebel right, Yes, sir, what's going on?
You said it died unexpectedly going down the road. The
dealer said the power pack is bad. Dodge agreed to
fix it, but they had a delay getting apart. But
you found the part and they said they couldn't.

Speaker 14 (56:28):
Correct Both both sent an email to the parent company,
and then he sent a certified letter. And somehow, yesterday
they called me and told me the truck was ready.

Speaker 5 (56:44):
Whoa hold on, got to pull out my dinger.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
There we go?

Speaker 14 (56:50):
So how about that?

Speaker 2 (56:52):
That's pretty cool. Bo did a great job. The problem solved.
Let's see, I'm going to use my dinger again with uh,
there we go. So so, Hank, thank you for letting
us know. We love keeping track of this stuff. So
so did they say what the problem was?

Speaker 5 (57:10):
Was it the power pack?

Speaker 8 (57:12):
Yes, it was a power pack.

Speaker 14 (57:13):
They put a new power pack in and everything is
clear and ready to go. The guy didn't tell me
what the delay was.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
But yeah, but amazingly they found it. When BO got involved,
he did a certified letter. Bo, you did a great job.
I don't know Bo's listening right now, but he did
a great job. Thank you, Hank for letting us know
that you see, we've had this happen before where a
dealer says we can't find the part, and a consumer
calls the shows that I just googled it and found

(57:42):
like six of them. Kevin Calkin told me that the
dealers sometimes are restricted as to where they can go
for a part, and sometimes they're dependent on OEM original
equipment manufacturer and if they can't get it, they're not
allowed to go on and just buy anything and get
it covered ut a warranty. But it seems to me

(58:05):
though that there can be a little more effort done
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dealers just throw their hands in the air and say, hey,
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Speaker 5 (01:00:00):
Hi Tom Martino here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
Trio three seven one three talks seven one three A
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discount bath dot com. Chris Console talking about bathrooms. We're
also talking coming up about health and there there is
some consumer news I want you to be aware of
it's really important.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Let me get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Okay, people, I emphasize this because it means something. Okay,
I call it perception onmics. It's called consumer sentiment. It's
slipped again in September. We're in September and it's reaching
a four month low. Now what that means is people

(01:00:47):
give their concerns, right, and it's a survey and it's
a big cross section of Americans, and they give their
concerns about business inflation, personal finances, and people's fear of
inflation has increased. Also, they're worried about rising costs and jobs.

(01:01:14):
So consumer sentiment usually proceeds a change in the economy.

Speaker 5 (01:01:21):
And here's why. Just see, this is why.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
I hate when these newscasters they either spell doom or
gloom or you know, something else. But when they all
start talking about doom and gloom based on their own
perceptions and the perceptions of the public and otherwise, healthy
economy can literally be dragged down. Because if you have

(01:01:49):
a sentiment that jobs might be lost or things might
things are not good, you may hesitate on a big purchase.
That hesitation then would have an effect on factory orders
and factory orders and future outlook for factories or retailers

(01:02:15):
then have an effect on the job of postings. We're
not going to fill this position. We're not going to
fill that position. It alls with consumer sentiment. Now, obviously
there are times the economy takes a dump without anyone
knowing or anticipating, and it has nothing to do with sentiment.

(01:02:39):
But I would say most of the time, what precedes
a bad economy are people believing we're heading for a
bad economy. Give you an example of how it can work.
In the housing industry. People may hold off listing their
home thinking I'm not going to get much for that

(01:03:00):
house right now, I better hold off. Inventory goes down
a bit, or it might work where people hesitate on
buying a home, or people hesitate on changing jobs. So really,
sentiment is very important in my eyes. Okay, the Fed

(01:03:21):
of course made that cut lowering rates, but they said
they may not do future rate cuts. Oil prices are
holding steady. What does that mean. Well, when you have
a drop in oil prices, sometimes it gives a boost
to the economy when people feel good about oil meaning

(01:03:43):
being low and being plentiful, Whereas when it's tightened up
and expensive, that might send a signal to consumers. So
with consumer sentiment falling, many people will hold off on purchases,
and as a result, people are expecting that this holiday season,

(01:04:05):
which by the way, isn't that far off right now.
It's amazing how these years fly by. It could be
a dismal holiday season. Again, I'm not predicting this. I
am telling you what these indicators mean. And overall, I
heard somebody say the other day, and again I'm not

(01:04:26):
going to make this political, but they said, under Biden,
our economy was smoking and as soon as Trump took office,
it's slowing down. So you know, they say, what the
hell's that all about? Why is that happening?

Speaker 5 (01:04:40):
And I get a lot of text to that degree.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
They're usually aimed at Mark because when Mark Mark's here,
he makes no bones about being a Trump supporter and
loving everything he's doing. And again I don't mean, like
I said, to make a political but Mark makes no
bones about having that opinion. And people love texting you
know him. It comes through my number, but they text
him saying, what are you saying about the economy now?

(01:05:05):
You know, blah blah blah, what about your hero Trump?
I don't think it's just Trump. I think what's happening
was bound to happen anyway. We cycle through periods of
inflation and periods of recession. The problem is not that
we cycle through them, it's when they get too deep,
when the recession goes too deep or inflation goes too high.

(01:05:25):
The normal rippling effect is not that bad, and it's
something that really is going to happen no matter what.
So i'd like your thoughts on the economy and where
you think it's going, and if it's affecting you. Lisa,
you have an issue with a contractor, I'll get it
started so I can get someone on it. What is

(01:05:47):
the issue, Lisa, what's going on?

Speaker 15 (01:05:50):
Right?

Speaker 13 (01:05:51):
So my mom is eighty and she likes to hire
people based off of referrals from her church.

Speaker 8 (01:05:57):
As any good church doing eighty year old woman.

Speaker 13 (01:06:00):
Okay, she hired a guy and had him come in
and do some sheeting in her garage, and then that
seemed to go okay.

Speaker 8 (01:06:10):
I late eyes on it, but I obviously am not construction.

Speaker 13 (01:06:13):
And then she had an issue with her tub. She
just wanted the tub pushdrain replaced, and then all of
a sudden it turned into this plumber said that there
was black mold and a broken pipe and she needed
a mitigation company.

Speaker 2 (01:06:28):
Now, hold on, hold on, Lisa. Was this the same
Was this the same contractor that did the sheeting or
was that just a separate aside.

Speaker 8 (01:06:36):
Yeah, same contractor. He studies a license plumber.

Speaker 13 (01:06:40):
I couldn't find him at first, and then did find
him on the door website.

Speaker 8 (01:06:43):
So he is a licensed plumber.

Speaker 5 (01:06:45):
But apparently that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
And she wanted him to change out the drain.

Speaker 8 (01:06:51):
Yeah, so you know, like a little push tub drain,
like the bottom of a tub.

Speaker 2 (01:06:56):
It was Chris.

Speaker 8 (01:06:56):
Yeah, it looks as if he maybe you like a.

Speaker 6 (01:07:00):
Chisel or a sawsle.

Speaker 13 (01:07:02):
And when that didn't work, he went looking for other
ways to get to it, removed it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Is this a standalone tub?

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
Is this a standalone tub?

Speaker 8 (01:07:13):
It's like one of the ones is just just uh
embedded in the wall in the bathroom, like connected to
the wall kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
So to get access to it. To get access to it,
he went to the side or underneath, and he had
to go through a little.

Speaker 13 (01:07:29):
Basement, yeah, to try to go through some ceiling piles
to get to it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:33):
And then okay, all right, hold on and we'll come
right back to you. Okay, we'll take a look at
it and figure out what's going on. I'm Tom Martine.
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Speaker 1 (01:07:55):
Of it.

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(01:08:18):
go right back to Lisa. So, Lisa, your eighty year
old mom hired this contractor also a license plumber, and
bottom line, he wanted went to change a drain plug
or a drain uh whatever on a bathtub. He got
access to the basement ceiling. Okay, keep going. Did you
say he discovered mold.

Speaker 8 (01:08:38):
Yet? He said that there was mold from a broken height,
So then he.

Speaker 13 (01:08:43):
Halted work, which is industry standard.

Speaker 2 (01:08:45):
I get no, it's not, no, it's not. Sometimes it's exaggerated.
Here's what I urge you to do. Lisa. Please, I'm
sorry about the clock.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Hang on.

Speaker 2 (01:08:57):
I have a feeling your mom was taken for a ride.
Hold on a second. Please, I want to see what
we can do for her and for you. I'm Tom Martino.
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Speaker 1 (01:09:44):
D need advice, wo you don't have.

Speaker 3 (01:09:52):
Run anxiousness as cam.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
No, she's gonna help.

Speaker 4 (01:09:57):
Come man, this is the Troubleshooter Show. No Tom Martine, Hello.

Speaker 2 (01:10:04):
I'm Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:10:05):
I want to go right to Lisa.

Speaker 2 (01:10:07):
This show is all about son Pram's answering questions, taking complaints.
Lisa thinks her mom might be taking advantage of she's eighty.
She had a contractor come to the house and do
some work. One of them was on a tub. He
went through the basement ceiling to try to get to
the tub drain and said he saw mold, and that's
where we left it off, Lisa. When I hear mold,

(01:10:28):
many times, it's accompanied by.

Speaker 5 (01:10:30):
Exaggeration and ripoff.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
If people knew how much mold we live with over
the years, they would be they would expect to be
dead by now. Mold is the new scare for everyone.
Oh you got mold? Now I want to know this.
Where does it stand? Did he take advantage of her?
Did she approve a lot of work? What happened after
he discovered mold?

Speaker 13 (01:10:54):
My mom is like, so, she's like eighty right, so
she's right in checks, left and right to this guy.

Speaker 8 (01:10:59):
She has spent.

Speaker 13 (01:11:02):
Twenty six dollars for a broken pipe, a garage that's
put together with pin nails, and the sheeting isn't even.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
So how much total has she how much total has
she spent.

Speaker 5 (01:11:15):
With this guy?

Speaker 8 (01:11:18):
Four four twenty six dollars and he's still asking for
an additional Let's see, she just sent me the invoice.
He is asking for an additional thirteen hundred dollars.

Speaker 2 (01:11:31):
Okay, have you been over there, Lisa?

Speaker 13 (01:11:34):
Yeah, so I've gone over I actually called a friend
who was a plumber. Once she told me all this
was going on, I was like, well, shoot.

Speaker 8 (01:11:40):
I gotta get over there. This isn't good. So I
went over there.

Speaker 13 (01:11:44):
And actually waited for this guy to show up. He
did not show up, and then texted that he was
there and no one was home, which is a blatant
lie because I was there at the time.

Speaker 5 (01:11:54):
All right, So where does it stand? Where does it
stand right now? Lisa?

Speaker 2 (01:11:57):
What do you want? What do you want?

Speaker 8 (01:12:00):
Well? I just want to know, like, is there something
we can go through through like the Dora website or something,
because mostly, like I realized, he's a licensed plumber. He
didn't do his job.

Speaker 13 (01:12:11):
We hired someone else.

Speaker 8 (01:12:12):
They did do their job. They said there was no mold,
they fixed the problems.

Speaker 13 (01:12:15):
Done, everything's paid perfect, that's over. But he's asking for
more money for this street lamp that he repaired and
it's not.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
This is where it gets ridiculous.

Speaker 13 (01:12:27):
He's not an electrician, right, so not he's a plumber.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Not on one where when you say street lamp. What
do you mean?

Speaker 5 (01:12:33):
What do you mean street lamp?

Speaker 13 (01:12:35):
So it's like a lamp in her front front yard
that doubles as a mailbox and it has a light.
And the city came out and told him it was
not up to code what he did. But she's he's
still trying to charge my mom because he put in
time and material, which I get, but he didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
Well, well, why don't you call him and tell him
she's not going to pay and what he did was
wrong period. Why don't you just stand up to him?

Speaker 8 (01:13:00):
I should is.

Speaker 13 (01:13:01):
That I can do that?

Speaker 8 (01:13:02):
Like, you can't come after her because she's just worried
about retobute.

Speaker 2 (01:13:06):
Listen, he could do anything he wants. He can put
a lien on the house, but you can fight that.
I mean. Bottom line is, if he didn't do it
right and you have that from the city, then you're
not going to pay for it. I mean, Lisa, you just.

Speaker 5 (01:13:19):
Have to start taking control.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
This guy thinks I'm going to push until I can't
push anymore. I mean that's what a lot of these
people do. So what I'm telling you to do is
to tell him straight up, this was not done to code.
It was not done correctly, you're not an electrician and
you better stop trying to collect otherwise. I'm going to
Dora and they will look into claims like this, especially

(01:13:43):
he should not be working on that if he's not
a licensed electrician.

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
Call us back if you need us to scare him.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
I mean, just call us back if you need help,
but try that first. Just be very firm with him. Thanks, Lisa. Bruce,
what's going on with your Chevy Silverado?

Speaker 5 (01:14:01):
Is this a used car issue?

Speaker 2 (01:14:03):
What is it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:03):
Bruce?

Speaker 10 (01:14:06):
Yes, I bought it used. It's a twenty three. I
bought it a year ago and it had probably thirty
thousand miles on it. And now I have a you know,
it has a problem with the right front signal light
that is intermittent, and it's done this ever since I've

(01:14:26):
bought it, and I've had it in three times, and
they say, well, I can't find anything.

Speaker 2 (01:14:33):
Well, hold on, is that all you're calling about? Is
that the problem right now with this truck? Because Shared
and Autotech can trace down anything electrical anything.

Speaker 10 (01:14:48):
Yeah, yes, that's basically it. But it they won't fix
it under warranty. They say, well we can't find nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:14:57):
They keep set Okay, Well, tell me what the symptoms are.

Speaker 10 (01:15:03):
Well, it's the right front signal, like it starts flashing
real fast and it's not working.

Speaker 9 (01:15:10):
So you go.

Speaker 10 (01:15:11):
I actually got videos of it, and you go out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:14):
But Bruce, that's gonna that's gonna be really minor. Man,
that's gonna be really minor. I mean, well I don't yeah,
but it can't be that. What I'm saying is we're
talking about a minor problem. There's no warranty on that.

(01:15:34):
You bought it last year. What kind of warranty did
you have on?

Speaker 10 (01:15:39):
I still got the full bucker.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
Oh it does. Oh wait a minute, so it's still
under the full factory warranty.

Speaker 10 (01:15:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
What dealership are you dealing with?

Speaker 10 (01:15:53):
Well, it's uh a dealership in Montana.

Speaker 2 (01:15:56):
It's okay, you're in Montana.

Speaker 10 (01:16:01):
I'm in Wyoming. Actually I bought that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
It's a tell me this, and you bought it in Montana.
You're in Wyoming. There's no there's no other Chevy dealer
you can take it to if it's under warranty.

Speaker 10 (01:16:17):
Well, yeah I can, that's what they suggest you know.
I called the GM and they suggested take it to
another dealership. But they're not gonna you know when they
put it on their machine to analyze it that they
can't find nothing, they're going to charge before it.

Speaker 5 (01:16:32):
So no, they're not not.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
When it's under warrantine, you take it in for a
warranty issue. If they don't find a problem, they don't
charge you for that. They're giving you bump information. Bruce, Bruce,
who told you that the Montana dealership, No, I.

Speaker 10 (01:16:50):
Called the GM hotline, the GM service complaint line.

Speaker 2 (01:16:59):
Okay, this whole thing is befuddling me over one stupid flat.
It's a signal, Bruce, signal. Well, I know what it is.
It's going to be a bulb or something stupid. It's
going to be or it's going to be something really easy.
This is not a big warranty issue.

Speaker 16 (01:17:17):
And I think that I think, Bruce, I think the
best way for you to cut to the chase is
just call a Chevy dealer that's near you and say, hey,
truck is under warranty and it's got this problem. Will
you take a look at this, And I just want
to make sure there's no charge because I'm making a
warranty claim on it. Have you have you tried something
like that or do you think that might work.

Speaker 10 (01:17:39):
No, but that's what I'm thinking about doing. I'll probably
do that.

Speaker 5 (01:17:43):
But that's what you do. Man, Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
I don't mean to make light of this, but I
cannot believe that it's not a big deal, bro. It's
it's just not. Number one cause of a rapidly flat
of a rapid flash is a burned out bulb or
a looser corroded bulb. It's just simple, It's really simple.

(01:18:09):
It could be a bad head lamp altogether. It could
be a broken wire. This is really easy to take
care of as as Listen. I would love to help
you if I thought it would help, but it won't.
You got to call the dealer and say, look, I
have a warranty issue. But if it's a burnt out bulb,
by the way, that's not a warranty thing. But that's

(01:18:31):
what it's going to be. It's going to be a
burnt out bull, Bruce, That's what it will be.

Speaker 16 (01:18:36):
How close, Bruce, how close are you?

Speaker 2 (01:18:39):
How close are you to the nearest Chevy dealer?

Speaker 10 (01:18:43):
Oh no, I'm you know, just a few miles from.

Speaker 2 (01:18:45):
The Oh hey to them, I say, sir, what do
you think's wrong with this?

Speaker 8 (01:18:50):
Just?

Speaker 7 (01:18:50):
Yeah, they'll take it seriously.

Speaker 16 (01:18:52):
Just stop buy over there this afternoon and say, hey, guys,
look at this. Do I have a burnt out bulb
or what's going on? Have you ever seen a rapid
flasher like that? I guarantee you they'll take care.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Of your eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:19:01):
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going to talk about it. And I'm telling you every
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(01:19:25):
but this is not your normal health conversation. I promise
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I stumble on to a guy who had a metabolic
medical practice, and I didn't even know what the hell
that meant. Metabolic medical practice. He looked at the entire

(01:21:14):
organism of a person.

Speaker 5 (01:21:16):
Some people call that holistic.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
It's anything but natural, and we'll talk about that. So
forty years ago, I stumble on to this and he
became world famous after that. He really did. Amongst those
in the health maintenance industry, health care industry, those who
are in the know with health advanced researchers from all

(01:21:39):
over the world. He's probably met every one of them.
He's influenced many of them. He has nothing. This is
what I love. We got to be dear friends. And
when he heard I had cancer, of course, he had
an entirely different perspective on cancer than anyone else I've
ever talked to, and on privilege that he came here.
He lives overseas, and it tends to we're not going

(01:22:03):
to talk about it, but he attends to some of
some really people who want this kind of medical care.
So he attends to some private families and celebrities and
people of note that we can't talk about. But and
in fact, he doesn't tell me about it except in generality.
So bottom line is this, he is a weirdo when

(01:22:27):
it comes to medicine. And I mean that in the
best possible way to look at This is what he
first told me. Okay, this is what I remember about it.
About forty years ago. He said that basically, there is
no such thing as disease and there is no such
thing as all kinds of stuff like eating, digesting. He

(01:22:50):
had an idea of health as being a whole organism.
In this way, this is what I loved, he said,
Imagine every single cell in your body. Okay, your cells
can exist without you. He gave an example of a
woman who had more of her cells living after she
died than when she was alive. So cells can live

(01:23:15):
outside of you, and cells can thrive outside of you.
And we are nothing but a collection of cells. With
one exception. The cells communicate with each other. So the
cells are communicated with by a master by us. And

(01:23:36):
the cells are kidney cells, liver cells, pancreas cells, brain cells,
heart cells, all kinds of cells, and they are communicated
through signaling. Signaling is done through hormones and other chemicals.
I'll let him get into it. And what he told

(01:23:57):
me was when that signing breaks down, cells revert to
their default. So, in other words, in my case, somehow
the signaling to my pancreatic cells was interfered with. What

(01:24:19):
does a cell do when it goes to its default?
It replicates? The default nature of cells is to replicate rapidly.
Cancer cells are not unhealthy cells. Cancer cells are the

(01:24:43):
healthiest cells in your body. They're simply doing what cells do.
He said to me. If you look at a cell,
it's just fine if it does its job. But when
it forget, it's where it is where it loses signaling

(01:25:04):
problems happen throughout your body.

Speaker 5 (01:25:06):
So, Ron, what is cancer? What is cancer?

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Bottom line? I'll give it a little story.

Speaker 15 (01:25:15):
Okay, When we are a fetus is well known we
have webbed hands and feet, and then the webs between
the fingers kind of disintegrate away, and then you end
up with fingers. Some people are born with webbed hands.
That's called an atavistic trait. Okay, Atavistic trade is something

(01:25:39):
that we had in our evolutionary past that kind of reappears.
Some people are born with hair all over their body
as an atavistic trait. Cancer is an atavistic trait. All
of our cells came from an ancestral history of trying
to replicate.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Faster than its neighbors.

Speaker 15 (01:26:02):
That would those cells would win kind of the evolutionary
gauntlet game. The faster you you divide, the faster you
could gather up the nutrients in the in the ocean.
All of our cells were single cells in the ocean
trying to divide as fast as they can, and all

(01:26:24):
of our cells continue to have that DNA. We don't
lose traits, we just cover them up. And so what
cancer is is antavistic trait of an evolutionary phenomenon that
has reappeared. It basically is a default all of our

(01:26:46):
cells have to have that silence. You know that we
don't want cells to divide unrelentingly. We want them to
know their place, know their place. You know, when we're born,
they start dividing really fast, and then they kind of
sign a contract that they're going to live for the republic.

(01:27:09):
They're going to be good servants and put the health
of the republic of cells. The ten trillion cells that
we call ourselves, along with ninety trillion bacteria there are
actually part of us, and they're going to be good
servants so that we can be so that all of
the cells can work harmoniously as one.

Speaker 5 (01:27:30):
Who tells these cells what to do.

Speaker 15 (01:27:34):
Instructions the DNA as we develop, the propensity to divide
unrelentingly is suppressed.

Speaker 2 (01:27:44):
Okay, so they're left unchecked, every one of our cells
would be cancer.

Speaker 15 (01:27:50):
Yes, in other words, the typical idea of cancer is
that a cell will mutate, the DNA will mutate, and
that is not true the cells that the DNA does
not mutate initially. When we get cancer, what happens is
that the suppression of this unrelenting division gets lifted or corrupted.

(01:28:18):
In other words, we have to go back a little
bit and talk about what is really important as far
as us and our traits. It's not our genes so much.
It's so called genetic expression. In other words, we have,
you know, maybe twenty thousand genes. It's like a piano
and we have it's a piano with like twenty thousand keys,

(01:28:40):
and how many songs can you play?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
You know?

Speaker 15 (01:28:43):
All Like worms have about twenty thousand genes and they
actually have a couple more thousand genes than we do.
Or what makes us different than a worm is not
so much our genes. You can use worm insulin and
then give it to a human and it'll do almost
the same thing. So it's not the genes that really
make the difference. It's the way the keys of those genes,

(01:29:07):
you know, the way.

Speaker 2 (01:29:08):
The keys of the so the way genes are triggered
and the way genes are used the expression of these
genes make the organism exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:29:18):
And so the genes and the instructions are still there,
but they're suppressed, and they're suppressed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
By particular molecules.

Speaker 15 (01:29:23):
We know how to do this, you know, so called
methyl groups and setyl groups that kind of put the
brakes on particular traits. And the brakes have to be
put on constantly. The propensity and the basic instincts of
unrelenting division, those breaks are always have to have to
be placed.

Speaker 2 (01:29:44):
So our bodies are cancerus cells waiting to break out.

Speaker 15 (01:29:49):
Yeah, they're like you know, we talked about you know,
Seafreed and Roy which one of them.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
You know, they had tigers that were in Las Vegas
White Tiger. Yeah, over ten years.

Speaker 15 (01:30:01):
They had this the most popular show in Las Vegas,
and they were very well trained and every night they
would go on and do jump through hoops and stuff
off the stuff that they.

Speaker 17 (01:30:13):
Do until one day, one day, a tiger grabbed I
think it was what are yeah, you know, by the
neck and you know, during a show and dragged him
off stage.

Speaker 2 (01:30:24):
He almost died. Uh. They and that tigers, that tiger
is akin to one of ourselves. Forgetting what they're supposed
to do. It just reverted to its basic instinct. You know,
it's it did nothing wrong. It was just doing what
a tiger does. You know, you know the story of

(01:30:46):
the uh was it? The frog and the and the
and the scorpion? Yeah, okay for the audience that doesn't
know that.

Speaker 15 (01:30:54):
Really quickly, a frog and a scorpion were on the
the edge of a lake, and the scorpion asked the frog,
you know, I don't want to really walk around the lake.
It's way too long. Can you just give me a ride?
And the frog says, I'm not going to give you
a ride. You're gonna sting. You're gonna sting me, and
we're gonna both die. And the scorpion said, well, why

(01:31:15):
would I do that? You know that would be stupid, right,
I'm not going to sting you because I don't want
to die. And so the frog thought about this and said, yeah,
you know, you know that makes sense, So okay, I'll
give you a ride. And so the scorpion got in
the back of the frog and started swimming across the lake.
And halfway across the lake, the scorpion stings the frog,
and the frog says, why did you do that? You

(01:31:37):
know now we're both gonna drown, And this corpus says, what,
I can't help it.

Speaker 2 (01:31:41):
This is what I do. So cells in and of
themselves want to replicate.

Speaker 15 (01:31:48):
There's kind of a basic instinct that is suppressed. In
other words, cells are not mutated into cancer cells. They're
all cancer aus cells, and that cancerous ability has to
constantly be suppressed through very intricate networks of communication, and ultimately,

(01:32:09):
as we age, just like an old telephone line which
eventually gets a hiss and a static, that communication ultimately corrupts.
And when that communication corrupts, for a cell to be
a pancreatic cell or a cell to be a liver cell,
it reverts to its ancient, ancestral evolutionary heritage of unrelenting

(01:32:32):
and rapid cell division.

Speaker 2 (01:32:34):
And so it's like a trombone player in an orchestra
who stops listening to the maestro.

Speaker 15 (01:32:39):
Yeah, it starts deciding that it can do better on
its own.

Speaker 2 (01:32:44):
And so a cell that turns into cancer doesn't turn
into cancer. It just turns into what it was supposed
to be, a replicating one celled animal who then becomes
two four eight sixteen.

Speaker 5 (01:32:57):
I mean, in other words, all of.

Speaker 2 (01:32:59):
Our cells without suppression, without instructions, would all be cancer.

Speaker 15 (01:33:06):
Correct, they and they started out that way even when
we were a fetus. You know, you have a single
cell inspire meets the egg and they start rapidly dividing.

Speaker 2 (01:33:16):
They're basically cancer cells.

Speaker 15 (01:33:17):
All of ourselves are basically cancer cells when they're first inseminated.

Speaker 2 (01:33:22):
So when you look at a cancer cell under a microsop,
does it look ugly, does it look deformed? Does it
look that the word malignant comes to mind?

Speaker 15 (01:33:31):
Yeah, they're just cells. They're beautiful cells, very healthy cells.
They're just doing the wrong thing at the wrong place. Yeah,
they're not any longer acting for the benefit of the
republic of cells. They're acting selfishly for themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:33:48):
So we are a republic of cells.

Speaker 15 (01:33:51):
Absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:33:52):
Our hormones and our whatever in our bodies.

Speaker 15 (01:33:55):
And zis hormones tell the.

Speaker 5 (01:33:58):
Expression of the genes that I am Tom.

Speaker 15 (01:34:01):
Yes, they're playing the music of Tom.

Speaker 5 (01:34:04):
They're playing the music of Tom.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
They're playing the music of a human and the other
ones play a music of a hipoponymous or the music
and when the same jeans the same exact gemos, Now
I know what you're saying. And when they become when
the communication breaks down, they do what they want.

Speaker 15 (01:34:22):
They do what their uh their their ancient heritage, you know,
without thinking tells them that their default. So cancer really
is a default condition, you know when the when the
when the breaks are lifted, they go there they go
and they just start dividing and dividing it.

Speaker 5 (01:34:39):
And then we call it a tumor.

Speaker 15 (01:34:40):
We call it a tumor.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
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(01:35:25):
I've known him for some forty years, and he looks
at health totally different than most doctors and most people,
and he lectures all over the world on his on
They're not theories, they're they're facts. I mean, basically, if
you look into what he's saying is fact and let
me just sum it up. Bottom line, is he believed,

(01:35:45):
he doesn't believe. Let's just say this bottom line. We
are a collection of cells, and really the way those
cells are arranged and the way we become an individual
is through genetic expression. Genetic expression is the communication among
the cells. He is saying that cancer is the default,

(01:36:08):
and really to make an organism, to make Tom or
Harry or John, genetic expression must suppress cancer because all
cells want to be dividing like crazy, and the expression

(01:36:28):
of those cells keeps them down at the farm, as
Ron put it, it keeps them working for the good
of the republic. But these communications kind of get disrupted
and then a cell starts saying, wait a minute, I
need to start dividing, and they start dividing, and we

(01:36:50):
call them cancer. So is there a way to put
the genie back in the bottle the genetic expression.

Speaker 5 (01:36:58):
Got screwed up?

Speaker 2 (01:37:00):
First, I'm going to ask is there a way to
keep our signaling from getting screwed up. And then second,
I'm going to ask, once it is screwed up, is
there a way to reprogram that cell back to being
a tom cell in his pancreas instead of a tumor.
So take it away first question. The first question, can

(01:37:22):
we keep our expression from being screwed up where cells
start replicating and becoming cancer.

Speaker 15 (01:37:30):
The short answer is, for the most part, we can
certainly reduce the rate of corruption of communication. In the
book I wrote decades ago, Now, yeah, I mentioned that
all disease is at the root a problem of communication.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
All disease.

Speaker 15 (01:37:51):
There's no there will be no exception to that. Okay,
It is the communication that has to be remedied, not
the part medicine concentrates on. The part lo tybetes is
a disease of blood sugar. You hear that all the time.
Even diabetologists will say that that is totally totally false
and that falsity leads to really bad treatments. It isn't

(01:38:14):
a problem of glucose. You don't want to just concentrate
on lowering the glucose. You want to concentrate on the
information that is causing the glucose to become elevated, such
as insulin resistance. You need to treat the insulin resistance.
You need to treat the communication, not just the glucose.

Speaker 2 (01:38:30):
So all disease comes from a lack of communication, absolutely, Okay.

Speaker 15 (01:38:34):
Communication has to be treated.

Speaker 2 (01:38:36):
How do I keep my communication healthy so I don't
get cancer?

Speaker 15 (01:38:40):
And as you mentioned, the communication then determines genetic expression basically,
so how do we keep genetic expression doing what it's
supposed to do well. The biggest influence on genetic expression
is metabolism, and metabolism could loosely be defined as the
chemistry that turns food into life. Okay, it's really important,

(01:39:03):
and that metabolism is going to be determined by very
important instructing molecules, you know, so in transcription factors, hormones
in multi salar organisms like us, hormones affect the activity
and the genetic expression of virtually all the cells in
the body. So insulin is really important. The purpose of insulin,

(01:39:25):
by the way, is not to lower blood sugar. Purpose
of insulin is to allocate certain nutrients such as glucose
and save them for a rainy day. If you have
too much so if you have too much glucose, then
since food wasn't available twenty four to seven, you want

(01:39:46):
to store the excess, and so you store it as fat,
and so it lowers glucose as a side effect of story.

Speaker 2 (01:39:54):
Nutrients for a rainy day. So, how do we stay healthy?
How do we keep our expression healthy?

Speaker 15 (01:40:00):
You don't want to. Basically, it's using insulin as an example.
It's a very simple example. If you constantly raise insulin,
you know, over and over and over again, by constantly
eating foods that turn to sugar, you raise insulin. You
raise insulin like any machine, the signal starts wearing out

(01:40:23):
and you become so called insulin resistant. Now this is
very well known. The vast majority of diabetics are insulin resistant.
They don't have too little insulin. But the information of
insulin isn't being heard properly orchestration. You know, the liver
has to listen to insulin. If it doesn't, it makes
too much It makes too much sugar on its own.
Muscles don't listen to insulin and they can't burn it properly.

Speaker 2 (01:40:45):
Et Ce, fat listens to insulin.

Speaker 15 (01:40:47):
It makes fat out of glucose. All that orchestration of
what to do with the glucose becomes corrupted, and then
you get sick. And this happens long before your glucose
starts elevating. And so the way you fix most of
these diseases is not overusing a particular signal. You don't
want to overuse. You don't want to constantly rev the

(01:41:09):
car or the engine's going to wear out, and so
you want to keep insulin down.

Speaker 2 (01:41:14):
You know, you don't want to.

Speaker 15 (01:41:15):
So medicine treats diabetes mostly by raising insulin, you know.
And so it's like being in a smelly room. You
don't fix your inability to smell. If you've been in
a smelly room for a long time, person, you can't
smell it, you know, you lose the sensitivity. You don't
fix it by increasing the odor. You fix it by
reducing the odor. So you resensitize yourself. And that's how

(01:41:39):
diabetes needs to be treated and the way you in
many cases they're they're not just insulin, but many many
signals become corrupted such that because they're overused, and so
you want to keep.

Speaker 2 (01:41:53):
The signal lower. We rev our engines too much, and
we have too much communication which then breaks down our communication.

Speaker 15 (01:42:03):
That's correct.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
What revs our engines too much? How do we keep
our engines from revy?

Speaker 15 (01:42:09):
You know, diet, diet? You know we've been told.

Speaker 2 (01:42:13):
You know, one time I told a person, well, I
don't take cholesterol medicine. I rather control it through diet.
And the nurse said, oh, you're into alternative help.

Speaker 5 (01:42:22):
Now that's what's amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
So eating right was the alternative to taking medicine, as
opposed to medicine being the alternative.

Speaker 5 (01:42:29):
I gotta, I gotta take this break.

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Speaker 2 (01:44:42):
I'm gonna open your mind on. Hi, I'm Tom Martino.
You're a Troubleshooter. I have a special guest here that
I've known for forty years, doctor Ron Rosedale. He's world
renowned in medical circles, research circles, and he's been a
physician to many, many, many people. You'd you'd recognize.

Speaker 5 (01:44:59):
He has a different take on health altogether.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
Okay, and I'm going to say, look at I've been
taking notes from him.

Speaker 5 (01:45:05):
For forty years, and I just want to summarize a
few things.

Speaker 2 (01:45:08):
First and foremost, being an individual simply means you have
a collection of cells that communicate with each other. And
our genetic expression makes us human. Some other genetic expressions
makes things fish. And genetic expression is what makes us

(01:45:31):
who we are. When we get interference in our genetic expression,
we have illness. Now, he once told me, if you
put a thousand dots on a piece of paper, and
certain dots represent symptoms, when you circle those symptoms, people

(01:45:52):
give it a name of a disease. So if you
have this and this, you have this disease, and if
you keep doing that, you're going to see there's a
lot of overlap. He doesn't believe in a definition of disease.
There's only one disease, only one, and that is a
lack of communication amongst your cells. When they forget where

(01:46:13):
they are, they revert to what they do naturally, which
is divide.

Speaker 5 (01:46:18):
And cell division is a natural process.

Speaker 2 (01:46:22):
And we are in a constant state of suppressing this
cancer to keep us living. Now, I know that sounds crazy,
but he says, every single cell tom that pancreatic tumor
you had, were those cells doing what they're supposed to do,
replicate themselves. So Ron, you also say that we have

(01:46:45):
misconceptions about eating and about so many people.

Speaker 5 (01:46:49):
Hey, there's so much to talk about.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
But in essence, one of the highest life forms Ron
believes are plans. Explain to me why plan are such
a high life form, because I want to talk about it,
and that's going to go into what we do to
get our nutrition in life. Go ahead.

Speaker 15 (01:47:07):
So, yeah, I gave a talk gosh, maybe twenty years
ago now I suppose, and it was too.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
A spiritual group.

Speaker 15 (01:47:18):
This is in Germany, but it was put on by
a beautiful, beautiful organization in southern India which I've been
involved with for many decades now, and most of the
audience were vegetarians. Many people are vegetarians, certainly in India.
And I started the talk by asking what the purpose

(01:47:43):
of lungs are and people rightfully and said, well, you know,
to take in oxygen, we need to take it oxygen
and we need to breathe take an oxygen. And said, well,
what's the purpose of the heart and they said, well,
it's to pump blood and pump that oxygen around to
the different cells. And then I mentioned other organs, et cetera.

(01:48:04):
And then ultimately I said, and and where do we
get that oxygen? And you know, some of the people
rightfully said, well that oxygen comes from plants. I said, correct,
So what's more important to our health our lungs, our
heart or plants? And they thought about that, and rightfully

(01:48:28):
some people said, well, you know, they're all important. They
can't you know, one doesn't work without the other, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:48:36):
But you you brought up something I want to I
want to just say.

Speaker 2 (01:48:38):
You said, plants are the only organisms that take inanimate
or things and make life.

Speaker 15 (01:48:46):
Yeah, and so basically also said, you know, the plants
really are an external organ they're really part of us.
You know, you can't we can't live without plants. None
of our organs are going to work without plants, So
plants can be considered an external organ.

Speaker 2 (01:48:59):
They take energy from the sun, from the soil, from
everything and turn it into life. So people.

Speaker 15 (01:49:06):
Basically just take life food. And what's the difference between
food and not food. Well, all food was once life.
So we eat that life and basically glue it onto ourselves.

Speaker 5 (01:49:19):
That's all we do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:20):
Basically we are parasites. I mean, we take life in
order to gain life. Right, that doesn't take that much.
That doesn't take that much genetic intelligence. Plants, on the
other hand, are more genetically intelligent because they don't just
steal life from other organist organisms.

Speaker 15 (01:49:42):
They make life out of the inanimate. They take air, soil,
sunlight and make life.

Speaker 2 (01:49:49):
Out of it. I mean, it's unbelievable what they can do.
And then we take that life and by eating them. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 15 (01:50:00):
And if you just you know, we once thought that,
you know, before the Human Genome Project, for instance, you know,
we thought that humans were so far above other life
forms that and much more complex that we would have many,
many more genes than other life. But we don't know,
we don't. We have about twenty thousand genes worms, by

(01:50:21):
the way, so about twenty two thousand. But I love
the way you have about fifty thousand.

Speaker 5 (01:50:25):
I love the way you expressed this to me the
other day.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
You said, man takes plants and eats plants gets life.
Man takes other living things and makes and tax it
on to themselves. So we get life by taking life.
And if you eat an animal, the life we're getting
came from a plant. Ultimately, all life comes from plants, absolutely,

(01:50:50):
So when you ask vegetarians why eat plants and not animals,
you know, it's like it's not like plants are less important.
In fact, they're more important.

Speaker 15 (01:51:00):
And the earth probably would go on just fine without
animal life. But it wouldn't go on without plants, not
as we know it, you know, not the And I.

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
Often wondered why people feel that taking plant life is
better than taking animal life when it comes to diets,
because somewhere along the line, we feel plants don't feel
and don't want to live, and aren't really organisms.

Speaker 15 (01:51:32):
They communicate differently, that's all. But they communicate among one
one another. They will communicate if there's a potential harm
that's going to happen, how to heal. They communicate with
their neighbors.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
All life comes from plants. In fact, prescriptions and drugs
come from plants. I mean the innumerable ways plants enhance
our lives. I mean you can't. You can enumerate it. Okay,
So now we have life, we become organism. We're living.
Why am I living as a human. You are living

(01:52:08):
as a human.

Speaker 15 (01:52:10):
Essentially because we have a human is a multicellular organism. Okay,
So we have basically we have taken twenty thousand wild animals, yes,
and trained them to be a word, collectively and harmoniously
as one. That's what a human is, That's what a
mammal is, and that's what all multicellular are.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
So multicellular organisms have programming that keeps their cells being.

Speaker 15 (01:52:40):
What they're supposed to be exactly and basically put it,
very simply, life and therefore, disease is always going to
be a problem in communication, always, always, There's not going
to be an exception to that.

Speaker 2 (01:53:00):
The I love the analogy you give of an a
of a of an orchestra leader, and the instruments are
our cells or genes, and the orchestra leader tells us
what we are.

Speaker 15 (01:53:14):
Absolutely, but this has really really important implications.

Speaker 2 (01:53:21):
The implication it's.

Speaker 15 (01:53:22):
Difficult to change our genes now, it can be done
now with crisper technology and stuff like that, but it's
actually far easier and more practical to change in expression.
So if we understand the disease is it's largely a
problem in genetic expression, well, that can be treated. You know,

(01:53:43):
we can change instant sensitivity, and that will you know,
we can cure or at least greatly greatly alleviate ninety
five percent of diabetics.

Speaker 2 (01:53:55):
For instance.

Speaker 15 (01:53:57):
You know, obesity is not due, for instance, to eating fat.
It's the inability to burn fat. And the whether you
burn fat or not is going to be due to
certain instructions from insulin and from leptin and some you know,
other important signaling molecules, and we can change that signaling.

Speaker 2 (01:54:15):
Your message is to keep the band director healthy and
the channels of communication healthy. What are our means of
communication with our cells? You you mentioned insulin a lot,
is that one of them?

Speaker 15 (01:54:29):
Certainly, certainly one. I will go back a little bit,
you know to certain basic principles. Okay, all cells in
the body have to make a constant decision. It's like
when you have an old car. You talk a lot
about cars on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:54:50):
You have an old car and.

Speaker 15 (01:54:54):
It starts breaking down, right, you know, the transmission starts
going right, right, things like that, the engine starts going.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
You have to constantly make a decision.

Speaker 15 (01:55:03):
Is it more economically feasible to keep repairing that car
or do you get to the point where it's so
much more expensive than to just buy a new car. Well,
cells are constantly making that decision. They're constantly deciding should
we divide or should we just repair repair what we have,

(01:55:23):
or should we divide and our well being if we
want to extend our life, if we want to be
healthy and extend our lifespan, what we want more to
do is repair with what we have and not divide
so much. And so what will determine that decision more

(01:55:44):
than anything is nutrient availability. So we have a so
called nutrient sensors that will ascertain the availability of nutrients
of energy sources such as glucose of amino acids that
are necessary to build and if they're readily available. There

(01:56:10):
is then a push of growth factors. Insign will be raised.
An enzyme that's even more ancient called the target of
wrap of micin will be increased, and there will be
a push for cells to divide and not repair itself
because you have certain you have a certain energy bank account,
and do you allocate that energy towards maintenance and repair

(01:56:34):
or do you allocate that energy towards replication?

Speaker 2 (01:56:37):
And one thing I wanted to do before the break,
you said one time that if someone says I'm going
to teach you how to live naturally, you run away
from them, because you said, in nature, the passing on
of information is our primary goal. And once we reach
the age of reproduction, nature doesn't need us anymore. Once

(01:56:57):
we reproduce, almost it needs us for a short while.

Speaker 15 (01:57:03):
We want to make sure that our progeny, our children
can stand on their own two feet, you know. And
so we're allocated enough lifespan so that we can take
care of our children until they can stand on their
own two feet, and then we've become very dispensable as
far as nature goes.

Speaker 2 (01:57:21):
So what you're concerned about the.

Speaker 15 (01:57:25):
Perpetuation of life itself, you know, So Basically it's not necessarily.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
An individual but life itself. Yeah, so basically we are
two lives. You know, this gets into really basic stuff.

Speaker 15 (01:57:39):
We have our information, our genetic information, and then we
have the body that is holding that information. And what
I analogize is like a relay race. Once you pass
on the information, It's like, you know, we have a baton.
That baton is our genetic information. Nature is learn about

(01:58:00):
the perpetuation of that genetic information, and what we are,
the so called soma, is to take care of that
genetic information. So we do our lap, we do our
four hundred meters or whatever, and then pass it on,
pass on that genetic information, and then we've become dispensable.
Now get off the track.

Speaker 2 (01:58:20):
So the reason he's mentioning this is this is we
have a repair and maintenance mode because nature must keep
us alive until we pass on our information. So our
cells are programmed to repair and maintain and keep us
at top health. That's what they want to do. It's
only after the age of reproduction that they no longer

(01:58:45):
care about repairing and maintaining us because our natural way
is to go away. So what you do through some
of your diet and some of your some of the
things you do is to trick our bodies to remain
in repair and maintenance.

Speaker 15 (01:59:03):
Yes, what we want to do is find out what
nature's secrets are that allowed us to be alive and
healthy right pre reproductively and extended post reproductively.

Speaker 2 (01:59:13):
Right, So we want to take our bodies and trick
them so it's not natural naturalists to die. What we
want to do is trick our bodies to stay in
the repair and maintenance mode. And I want you to
specifically tell us how we do that trick. Right right
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Speaker 5 (02:00:35):
Twenty three, twenty two. Okay, so people are asking.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
I'm getting text saying I love this information, but I
want to hear practically, what can I do to improve
my cells?

Speaker 5 (02:00:46):
Say?

Speaker 2 (02:00:47):
I'm paraphrasing, but I got more than a few saying, Okay,
we hear this. We hear that we age and die
naturally after reproduction. We hear that there's a breakdown in
signaling and communication. What do we do to improve our signaling?
What do we do to keep our cells cells in

(02:01:09):
our body instead of cancer? What if you had to
give practical advice, what would you tell a group of
high school kids? Would you? What would you tell them?

Speaker 15 (02:01:21):
Well, our health and lifespan really is going to be
determined by the decision of all the cells and the
group of cells, right, to increase maintenance and repair okay
versus replication.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
Okay, Okay.

Speaker 15 (02:01:36):
If we continue to push the force of cell division growth,
then you increase your risk of cancer. You know, cancer
is really kind of the ultimate disease. And so what
we want to do is we want to suppress growth
factors and increase maintenance and repair.

Speaker 2 (02:01:55):
And this is an unnatural process because naturally we would all.

Speaker 5 (02:01:59):
Get cancer and die.

Speaker 15 (02:02:00):
Correct. Now, ultimately we may, right, but we want that
to be maybe at one hundred and twenty hundred and
thirty years.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Sixty and seven. So we want to keep our bodies
maintaining and repairing cells instead of simply replicating. How do
we do it?

Speaker 15 (02:02:19):
As we talked about briefly, we have nutrient sensors that
can can sense nutrient availability, energy availability mostly glucose, and
protein availability, amino acid availability.

Speaker 2 (02:02:36):
And when that's plentiful, our bodies has had a push
towards replication and a.

Speaker 15 (02:02:41):
Reduction in maintenance repair. So we want to keep those
signals low. And the major signals are going to be insulin,
which we talked about, yes, which also senses immin or acids,
but mostly glucose.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Do we want to trick our bodies into thinking we're
in famine.

Speaker 15 (02:02:57):
Yes, that's exactly what we want to do.

Speaker 2 (02:03:00):
See, that's that's what I'm getting at. I'm trying to
get right to the point. So because if your body
believes there's not a lot of nutrients around and we're
hurting a bit, we will then inwardly program our cells
to repair and maintain what they have.

Speaker 15 (02:03:16):
Absolutely correct, that's what happens with calorie restriction.

Speaker 2 (02:03:21):
And calorie restriction was proven to extend lifespan.

Speaker 15 (02:03:25):
Yeah, in many forms of animals, that's correct. And you know,
time restricted feeding is kind of an offshoot of calorie restriction.
You know, its so called what do they call it
intermittent fasting, you know, which it's not really intermittent fasting,
it's really time restricted feeding. But anyway, Yeah, it works
by lowering the major growth signals insulin, leptin, and the

(02:03:50):
target of wrappamcin, which is a basic enzyme.

Speaker 2 (02:03:53):
That's basic.

Speaker 15 (02:03:53):
Kind of the switchboard that takes information from everywhere.

Speaker 2 (02:03:57):
You know.

Speaker 15 (02:03:57):
ATP is kind of our energy currency, little batteries of energy.
It determines how much ATP is available. What is the
insulin level, what is the left and level, what is
the insulin like growth.

Speaker 2 (02:04:09):
So how do we do that on a practical day
to day basis? How do we trick our bodies into
staying in a repair and maintenance mode? I know, like
I said, I don't I don't mean to demean the science.
I mean, I'd love to do a three hour podcast
with doctor Roseo where we don't have the time constraints
of a radio show. But when we have people listening
to you, I just have one saying this is fascinating.

Speaker 5 (02:04:30):
I'm getting a lot of positive feedback.

Speaker 13 (02:04:32):
But what do I do?

Speaker 5 (02:04:34):
People are selfish, they want to Okay, I believe doc, What.

Speaker 16 (02:04:37):
Do I do?

Speaker 15 (02:04:38):
What are the factors that increase the growth factors?

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
Exactly?

Speaker 15 (02:04:41):
What are the nutrients that increase the growth factors? We
want to keep those down? Well, glucose glucose increases insolent increase,
increases left and increases emptor.

Speaker 5 (02:04:49):
So glucose is bad.

Speaker 15 (02:04:51):
Yeah, you want to minimize glucose foods that turn into glucose?
What about fruit toose? Fruit toasse is bad in other ways?

Speaker 2 (02:05:00):
Absolutely? So are we say sugar is our number one enemy, Well,
it's one of our number one enemies.

Speaker 15 (02:05:06):
I'd say there's two. Number one enemies, what are they?
But but glucose is simple because we don't really need
so much of it. There's really no required, no essential
essential need to eat sugar or carbohydrate.

Speaker 5 (02:05:21):
There's no essential carb no.

Speaker 15 (02:05:23):
You know, we can make what we need, so we
don't eat and have to eat any So basically, you know,
sort of the lower the better, and practical terms, you'll
eat some if you eat onions, broccoli, you know you'll
get some sugar, but you don't have to have an
over abundance, you know, a potato. We talk about basics
of eating. We talk briefly. You put something in your mouth,

(02:05:44):
you're not really eating, you're just processing the food. When
you digest it, you're chemically cooking it, and then you're
feeding it to your cells, and your cells will see glucose.

Speaker 2 (02:05:52):
So we can when you're fasting, you're still eating.

Speaker 15 (02:05:55):
You're always eating twenty four to seven.

Speaker 2 (02:05:57):
There's no such thing.

Speaker 15 (02:05:57):
Your cells are always eating, you sell are always eating.
So what we want to do is we want to
eat to regulate the hormones that will tell yourselves whether
to burn fat or sugar. One of the things I
said many many years ago, if you want to summarize
you want something very simple for life, summarize everything about
the science of metabolism a zillion articles. Is that your

(02:06:18):
health and lifespan is going to be determined by the
proportion of fat versus sugar you burn.

Speaker 2 (02:06:22):
Over a lifetime.

Speaker 15 (02:06:22):
Wait what your heaths and lifespan will be determined by
the proportion of fat versus sugar you burn over a lifetime.

Speaker 5 (02:06:30):
You don't want to burn sugar.

Speaker 15 (02:06:33):
Well, you're going to sometimes, but your sugar. Basically, the
reason we have it is it's an emergency energy.

Speaker 5 (02:06:40):
It's like the nitro in a car, a race car.

Speaker 2 (02:06:43):
You en burn it without oxygen, right, you know, and
you have to run when you have to run from
a lion. Yeah, but once you run from the lion
and you're sitting around the campfire, you want to burn fat.

Speaker 15 (02:06:54):
We should be burning fat in our style mostly ninety
nine percent of the time.

Speaker 2 (02:06:59):
But people doubt do we burn fat? How do we
make our bodies burn fat?

Speaker 15 (02:07:03):
By keeping instant low, by keeping left and low, by
keeping mptor low. And you keep those low by not
eating a.

Speaker 2 (02:07:09):
Bunch of sugar.

Speaker 15 (02:07:09):
If you if you eat a bunch of foods that
turn to sugar, you're gonna have to burn it. Your
body tries to burn it to get rid of it,
really because it glycates. It can so really it's as
simple as load to no carb. What about fat and protein.
We'll talk about that coming right up.

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Speaker 5 (02:07:58):
Hi Tom Martino, you troubleshooter.

Speaker 2 (02:08:00):
I've been getting so many texts saying, listen, we love
what this doctor has to say. It is very forward thinking,
in fact, very universal thinking. It really is. I mean,
it goes so far beyond I have a sore or this,
or sore of that. But we were asking, okay, the
bottom line is our bodies go through an aging process. Naturally,

(02:08:21):
we are naturally made to reproduce and die. Naturally we are,
that's just the way it is. We artificially have extended lifespans.
But how do you trick your cells into repair and
maintenance so they don't go into the replication process. Replication
process later in life turns into cancer. So how do

(02:08:46):
we trick our bodies? Doctor Rosedale said, one of the
things is you don't give it glucose or carbs. Why
does that why does that trigger our bodies to go
into repair and maintenance.

Speaker 15 (02:09:03):
Well, there are two major nutrients that are necessary for
cells to replicate, as glucose and proteins or amino acids,
and so you want to limit those. You want to
limit those. Now as far as limiting carbohydrates as easy
because there's no required intake.

Speaker 5 (02:09:20):
We don't need it.

Speaker 15 (02:09:20):
We don't need it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
We do not need one carb from the moment we
were a fetus. Okay, Now what about protein? Should we
eat more protein? So that's the key.

Speaker 15 (02:09:31):
Protein is a hard one because we have to have some,
so too little is bad, too much as bad. And
proteins will increase growth factors, it will increase insulin, increase leptin.
So we eat to control the hormones that will determine
whether we have maintenance, repair or growth. So how much

(02:09:51):
protein For most people, it'll be somewhere between fifty and
seventy grams of the protein, not of the food. So
you eat a piece of meat, you know, maybe forty
percent of it is protein. Uh, you know, you have
sugar and you have fat in it, you know, So
it's not just the weight of the meat. People can
understand that. So if you look at the actual protein content,
So a piece of meat, for instance, whether it be fish, beef,

(02:10:13):
doesn't matter chicken. But the size of your palm, most
feels palm will be about twenty grams of protein, about
the size of a deck of cards. It will be
about fifteen grams of protein. Egg has about six or
seven grams of protein.

Speaker 2 (02:10:29):
And so you don't want to overdo protein, but you
need so many.

Speaker 15 (02:10:32):
You need something, and it'll be determined by your your
lean mass, what's the weight of your muscle and bone,
not your total mass. If you've got a bunch of fat. Fright,
doesn't need to say lean mass is one hundred and fifty.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
Oh that's a lot. Oh it would be.

Speaker 15 (02:10:47):
You wouldn't have akilos. Oh I'm sorry, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Or you can say one hundred fifty is what about
seventy kilos? So then if you are a mon rule
of thumb, yeah, rule of thumb, moderate exerciser, maybe about
one gram of protein per kilo of lean mass.

Speaker 5 (02:11:03):
Okay of protein for kilo of lean.

Speaker 15 (02:11:07):
Mass, average exercise, average size. You know you need more
if you're pregnant, you need more if you're okay, a child.

Speaker 5 (02:11:14):
What about fat?

Speaker 15 (02:11:15):
Fat is kind of a neutral. You know, fat does
not raise insulin, Fat does not raise leftin uh, and
there's reasons for it. I won't go into now. It
kind of is under the radar. So you can eat
fat without raising any of the growth factors, which is
why it's good. And so if you have to eat
something to satiate your hunger. But when we talk about

(02:11:38):
eating again, we don't eat by putting food in the mouth.

Speaker 2 (02:11:42):
It's what ourselves eat.

Speaker 15 (02:11:43):
So when you're not putting food in your mouth, you know,
colloquially known as not eating, you're eating, you're.

Speaker 2 (02:11:51):
Going to be eating.

Speaker 15 (02:11:52):
And what we want to do is we want to
eat burn fat are stored fat, you know, the fat
we have in our builds.

Speaker 2 (02:11:58):
If we limit if we limit cars and limit protein
to the proper amount, will our body start burning fat?

Speaker 10 (02:12:05):
Yes?

Speaker 15 (02:12:06):
You know, people get fat not because they eat it,
but because they can't burn it.

Speaker 2 (02:12:10):
And you can't burn it.

Speaker 15 (02:12:11):
If insulin is high, or if leftin is high, you know,
then it inhibits you from burning fat.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
So if you keep them low, why is our body?
So what you're saying is excess carbs and protein are
burned first for the most part. Yes, and so if
you limit those, we will turn to fat.

Speaker 15 (02:12:30):
Yeah, we'll turn to burning fat.

Speaker 2 (02:12:31):
Right, that's what I meant.

Speaker 13 (02:12:32):
Ye.

Speaker 15 (02:12:33):
Yeah, stored body fat. So you eat twenty four to seven,
your cells eat twenty four seven. No, st thing is fasting.
And what we want to do is we want to
eat to regulate the hormones that will tell us whether
to burn fat or.

Speaker 2 (02:12:43):
Sugar, and we want to burn fat.

Speaker 5 (02:12:45):
Speaking of fasting, does it do any good?

Speaker 2 (02:12:48):
Well? It does.

Speaker 15 (02:12:48):
Basically it eliminates or it allows you to recover from mistakes.

Speaker 2 (02:12:52):
In your diet.

Speaker 15 (02:12:53):
So if you've been eating a bunch of.

Speaker 2 (02:12:54):
Long got we got to mix that, do you got it?

Speaker 5 (02:12:58):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (02:12:59):
So if you if you're eating a bunch of crap
all day long and.

Speaker 15 (02:13:02):
Then what Yeah, then you want to recover from it,
and so fasting then allows the insulin to come down
and the left and to come down, so you can
start burning fat. That's really the major benefit of so
called fasting. Better not to eat it in the first place,
and you don't have to make it come down, you know,
keep your insulin low, keep your left and low.

Speaker 2 (02:13:19):
And you are fasting all the time, kind of. I mean,
you're getting the benefits of fasting by doing that all
the time.

Speaker 15 (02:13:24):
Well, you're getting more. It's above fasting. You're not having
to repair mistakes. You haven't made the mistake in the
first place, you know, so called preventive medicine.

Speaker 5 (02:13:33):
All right, I have to take this break.

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you being here, Doctor Rosselle. By the way, people listening,
I'm just going to tell you something. There's sometimes there's
things that need to be discussed, you know. I mean,
I'm so tired of politics and all that bs what
I want. I just thought health is very important, especially
with my fight with cancer and all of that. Ron,
if you're going to sum things up, let's talk about it.
I mean, you're you're all about health and life and

(02:14:42):
and longevity. So how would you like to end things here?
And I'm gonna I promise I'm going to do a
podcast soon and put it on my YouTube channel. But
go ahead, sir.

Speaker 15 (02:14:52):
Well, I think we began the discussion talking about the
importance of genetic expression.

Speaker 2 (02:14:56):
Yes, exactly true, right to keep us healthy.

Speaker 15 (02:14:59):
And one of the most important genetic expressions is maintenance
and repair. So we want to direct genetic expression towards
maintenance and repair.

Speaker 2 (02:15:07):
We want to make our bodies, repair and maintain our
cells instead of replicating them, instead of keeping keeping the
danger of cancer alive. We want to do repair and maintenance.

Speaker 15 (02:15:19):
And that genetic expression is going to be regulated by
hormones and enzymes, particularly insulin and leptin. Okay, And if
we keep them low, we increase maintenance and repair, and
not coincidentally, we also increase the burning of fat. And
when we burn fat as opposed to glucose, your cells

(02:15:42):
are kept much healthier, not just your cells, but the
more importantly the instructions among the cells to keep us
a cohesive republic of cells.

Speaker 2 (02:15:51):
Burning fat is much less destructive than burning other fuels.

Speaker 15 (02:15:56):
Exactly, and it also then limits excessive growth, excessive cellular division.
By increasing maintenance repair, we reduce excessive cellular division, which
ultimately is kind of a drive towards cancer.

Speaker 2 (02:16:11):
So we reduced the results. That's why when people get
older that people said, if you live long enough, you'll
get cancer. That's true, that is true.

Speaker 15 (02:16:18):
Ultimately, the signals that that that keep cancer under control,
that basically keep our wild animal cells behaving properly, will corrupt.
And as that as those signals corrupt, you get secret
and roy wild tigers that will bite you.

Speaker 2 (02:16:40):
You'll have cells doing what they do by default exactly,
and that is to replicate and eventually take over the
host and kill you. So our cells are all waiting
to be cancer.

Speaker 15 (02:16:54):
Yeah, you know, to some extent, you could think of
it that way. Yes, that's that's where we instinct. That's
their basic instinct that nice to be constantly suppressed.

Speaker 2 (02:17:03):
So the balance of life right now, I hear you saying,
is the balance of cancer suppression and repair and maintenance. Yes,
you could say that, and it's done through You're a
big believer in diet, of course, because that's what you are,
what you eat.

Speaker 15 (02:17:20):
Well, that's probably the most powerful source of genetic expression
that we have. Our major metabolic nutrient sensors that we
know regulate maintenance and repair or not, and insulin and leptin.
So we should eat to control insulin and leptin, and
we do that by minimizing excessive carbohydrates. You don't want

(02:17:45):
a big bolus of sugar like a potato would just
turn into a whole bunch of sugar, raise insulin, raise
leptin and sew growth and reduced maintenance and repair.

Speaker 2 (02:17:54):
Low carb, moderate protein, high fat, high fat, so it
can come from your own belly fat. No, I understand that,
not necessarily eating it. You once said you are what
you do, not excrete. Yeah yeah, people say you are
what you eat. No, you are what you don't.

Speaker 5 (02:18:11):
Excreete.

Speaker 2 (02:18:12):
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