October 15, 2025 • 8 mins
Congressman Mike Carey discusses why the Republicans and Democrats are deadlocked
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, joll, what's pivot and go over to the
(00:01):
Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line. Say good morning
to our good friend, Congressman Mike carry, Ohio's fifteenth district Congressman.
Good morning. We are fifteen days in to the government shutdown.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We sure are, and you know, I just caught the
tail end of what you were talking about on the
energy demand and where we are. I'll say, this is
this is a real problem. And I think that's one
of the things that we were trying to address as
related to the you know, the reconciliation package. And I
think you know, we do know that the cost of
natural gas and oil has gone down. But I think
(00:34):
the other thing we have to understand is that because
of the policies of the previous administrations, a lot of
our baseload was lost and now we're seeing this demand
with the data centers. Now, you know, if today and
this is the one thing I think people that are
listening need to understand, if today you wanted to build
a baseload natural gas plant baseload and you had all
(00:56):
the equipment and you were able to permit, and you know,
and and and put the the the energy demand out
into the PJAM to put it on the grid. You're
still looking at about a five and a half to
six year time frame. And then you know, if you're
looking at trying to build a coal fired power planet,
you know, the problem is the financing. And you know,
at least in the Reconciliation Package, we did issue or
(01:18):
we did work with the transferability as relates to nuclear power.
But again, I think one of the things that I was,
you know, unfortunately I was not happy with some of
the provisions in the IRA and right now, I know
you alluded to the windmills, and I think if you
look at Ohio, I think where what we have to
understand is the solar power that we have. It's the
only form of energy. And I'm somebody that I know,
(01:40):
I know solar. I've done all these power energy resources
for many many years. It's the only thing we can
permit and put on the grid within thirteen months. So
we've got to come to a resolution as it relates
to power. And I think, you know, these are some
of the issues that quite frankly, having this government shut down,
unfortunately it's not allowing us to debate these issues and
(02:01):
to really work on these issues. Because we do have
a problem. And you talk about the data centers, but
you look at AI and so yeah, you're correct. We're
in day fifteen, day fifteen of a shutdown, and I
and you know, I've talked to a lot of people
over the last fifteen days. I've been all over the district.
You know, we in the House did our job. We
(02:21):
passed a clean CR and all that did, Mike was
just said that we would keep the government open. We
could continue the debate, whether it related to healthcare, whether
it related to energy, whether it related to a lot
of the issues that are facing the American public. But
right now, I mean, I you know, as you know,
and you and I have talked about this. I voted
for clean crs when the Democrats were in control. I
(02:44):
mean thirteen times the Democrats had the ability to pass
crs and they did not want them to be political.
They wanted to keep the government open. My Republican colleagues,
many of them never voted for it because crs generally
are not a sustainable way to govern. So right now
where we sit, federal employees, including some of our armed
(03:05):
service members, I know the President has worked out a
deal that they will not miss paychecks for this time.
But federal services, we have people calling in every day.
I've been working the phones just like my team. So security,
DA benefits could be delayed. The concern about our TSA agents,
our air traffic controllers, National Weather Surface and FEMA. We've
(03:26):
already seen Smithsonian and federal parks, head start programs, rural
health care funding. These are problems that the Senate Democrats.
And again, I know Republicans have control of the House
and the Presidency and the Senate, but again, like you
and I talked a couple of weeks ago, go back
to your government class. It takes sixty votes to open
(03:46):
the government, and we need Democrats to join with us
like Republicans did thirteen times under the Bid administration, to
keep the government open and not make it political.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And it's frustrating, Mike, because Congressman Mike Carrie joining me.
It's frustrating because Republicans just want the They just wanted
the clean cr They wanted to keep the government open
and then have the discussions on the healthcare, which is
the sticking point where Democrats they have all these strings
attached and that's not necessarily how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, it's not. And again, I mean, you know, I
remember when I voted for clean CRS and many of
you know, many of my colleagues on the Republican side
and our conference did not vote for clean CRS because
they just simply didn't vote for it. And I you know,
all credit to Mike Johnson working weeks and months in
advance and understanding and trying to explain to our conference, Hey,
(04:41):
we have a lot of debates that we're going to
have to have before the end of the year. We
have three appropriations that we have passed the House, that
have passed the House, we're in negotiations with the Senate.
We have you know, several more that we need to
get done by the end of the year. But in
order to get them, we're running out of time. Let's
do something and really to get all of the Republicans
(05:01):
save maybe one or two and obviously a Democrat to
sign on board saying listen, take politics out of this.
For it. We don't want to hurt our federal employees.
We don't want to hurt our service members. We want
to make sure tsa air traffic controllers, a National Weather Service,
and FEMA and all these things stay open. We just
want to make sure that we get this done and
(05:21):
have the ability to debate, and that's where we could be.
So you know what I'm looking at now at day fifteen,
you know, and I'm talking to people every day. I'll
pick up the phone To'll probably start calling in. They
know I'm sitting in my federal office right now, so
I'm sure the phones will start ringing off the hook.
I just want people to understand that we are committed
from the Republicans on the House side and I believe
(05:43):
on the Senate a Republican are committed to working to
get this government open. But we need a clean cr
Let's get it open and we can debate the other
issues at hand.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And as you point out, Congressman, your offices both in
DC and here in Columbus remain open to help your
constituents navigate through this shutdown and what it means. So yeah,
I would expect your phones to be busy. And what
you know, it's interesting, you know, and the memes are
out there, and it's they're they're meant to be funny,
but you see the memes that suggest that it's easier
(06:15):
to negotiate with Hamas than it is with Senate Democrats
over this, And there's a little bit of truth to
that though, Mike, because when you see what they did
in the Middle East, as far as they got to
a yes first, then they worked out some of the
details after, here's a basic structure of an agreement, and
then we'll work out some of the details. And that's
(06:36):
really what we should have been doing here domestically with
the government shutdown. Get to an agreement and then work
out the deals, and it will switch gears and talk
about Israel and Hamas. And you've been a long supporter
of Israel and its ability to defend itself.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, I mean, you know, I know the memes are
out there, and I think that that is a very serious,
serious issue, and all credit whether you support the president
or you don't support the president. And then I mean,
you have to you have to admit this. This was monumental,
you know, to have the president speaking at the Knesse
and you know, bringing back the hostages. I mean, he's
(07:12):
already ended seven conflicts around the globe, this making the eighth.
But listen, we know that Hamas started this war. They
had rejected peace previously, and I think President Trump's and
I and again I I believe this goes back, you know,
not just since he's taken office this time, this goes
back even longer, him developing those relationships in the meter
(07:34):
in the Middle East, with with many of our Arab
with many of the Arab countries that are you know,
and you saw that, you know, he went to Israel
and then he went to Egypt. He spoke in front
of them. I am I'm going to stay as optimistic
as I possibly can. This was a great day for
the people of Israel. Is a great day for those
that those of us that support Israel in this country.
(07:57):
And again I I just hope this can result in
the life lasting peace and long term stability in the
Middle East that I think. I know that all of
us and Mike, you and I are probably around the
same age. I mean, we have watched this, you know,
for for all of our lifetime, and and and and
for me to to watch this, it choked you up
just watching it.
All right, joll, what's pivot and go over to the
(00:01):
Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line. Say good morning
to our good friend, Congressman Mike carry, Ohio's fifteenth district Congressman.
Good morning. We are fifteen days in to the government shutdown.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
We sure are, and you know, I just caught the
tail end of what you were talking about on the
energy demand and where we are. I'll say, this is
this is a real problem. And I think that's one
of the things that we were trying to address as
related to the you know, the reconciliation package. And I
think you know, we do know that the cost of
natural gas and oil has gone down. But I think
(00:34):
the other thing we have to understand is that because
of the policies of the previous administrations, a lot of
our baseload was lost and now we're seeing this demand
with the data centers. Now, you know, if today and
this is the one thing I think people that are
listening need to understand, if today you wanted to build
a baseload natural gas plant baseload and you had all
(00:56):
the equipment and you were able to permit, and you know,
and and and put the the the energy demand out
into the PJAM to put it on the grid. You're
still looking at about a five and a half to
six year time frame. And then you know, if you're
looking at trying to build a coal fired power planet,
you know, the problem is the financing. And you know,
at least in the Reconciliation Package, we did issue or
(01:18):
we did work with the transferability as relates to nuclear power.
But again, I think one of the things that I was,
you know, unfortunately I was not happy with some of
the provisions in the IRA and right now, I know
you alluded to the windmills, and I think if you
look at Ohio, I think where what we have to
understand is the solar power that we have. It's the
only form of energy. And I'm somebody that I know,
(01:40):
I know solar. I've done all these power energy resources
for many many years. It's the only thing we can
permit and put on the grid within thirteen months. So
we've got to come to a resolution as it relates
to power. And I think, you know, these are some
of the issues that quite frankly, having this government shut down,
unfortunately it's not allowing us to debate these issues and
(02:01):
to really work on these issues. Because we do have
a problem. And you talk about the data centers, but
you look at AI and so yeah, you're correct. We're
in day fifteen, day fifteen of a shutdown, and I
and you know, I've talked to a lot of people
over the last fifteen days. I've been all over the district.
You know, we in the House did our job. We
(02:21):
passed a clean CR and all that did, Mike was
just said that we would keep the government open. We
could continue the debate, whether it related to healthcare, whether
it related to energy, whether it related to a lot
of the issues that are facing the American public. But
right now, I mean, I you know, as you know,
and you and I have talked about this. I voted
for clean crs when the Democrats were in control. I
(02:44):
mean thirteen times the Democrats had the ability to pass
crs and they did not want them to be political.
They wanted to keep the government open. My Republican colleagues,
many of them never voted for it because crs generally
are not a sustainable way to govern. So right now
where we sit, federal employees, including some of our armed
(03:05):
service members, I know the President has worked out a
deal that they will not miss paychecks for this time.
But federal services, we have people calling in every day.
I've been working the phones just like my team. So security,
DA benefits could be delayed. The concern about our TSA agents,
our air traffic controllers, National Weather Surface and FEMA. We've
(03:26):
already seen Smithsonian and federal parks, head start programs, rural
health care funding. These are problems that the Senate Democrats.
And again, I know Republicans have control of the House
and the Presidency and the Senate, but again, like you
and I talked a couple of weeks ago, go back
to your government class. It takes sixty votes to open
(03:46):
the government, and we need Democrats to join with us
like Republicans did thirteen times under the Bid administration, to
keep the government open and not make it political.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And it's frustrating, Mike, because Congressman Mike Carrie joining me.
It's frustrating because Republicans just want the They just wanted
the clean cr They wanted to keep the government open
and then have the discussions on the healthcare, which is
the sticking point where Democrats they have all these strings
attached and that's not necessarily how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
No, it's not. And again, I mean, you know, I
remember when I voted for clean CRS and many of
you know, many of my colleagues on the Republican side
and our conference did not vote for clean CRS because
they just simply didn't vote for it. And I you know,
all credit to Mike Johnson working weeks and months in
advance and understanding and trying to explain to our conference, Hey,
(04:41):
we have a lot of debates that we're going to
have to have before the end of the year. We
have three appropriations that we have passed the House, that
have passed the House, we're in negotiations with the Senate.
We have you know, several more that we need to
get done by the end of the year. But in
order to get them, we're running out of time. Let's
do something and really to get all of the Republicans
(05:01):
save maybe one or two and obviously a Democrat to
sign on board saying listen, take politics out of this.
For it. We don't want to hurt our federal employees.
We don't want to hurt our service members. We want
to make sure tsa air traffic controllers, a National Weather Service,
and FEMA and all these things stay open. We just
want to make sure that we get this done and
(05:21):
have the ability to debate, and that's where we could be.
So you know what I'm looking at now at day fifteen,
you know, and I'm talking to people every day. I'll
pick up the phone To'll probably start calling in. They
know I'm sitting in my federal office right now, so
I'm sure the phones will start ringing off the hook.
I just want people to understand that we are committed
from the Republicans on the House side and I believe
(05:43):
on the Senate a Republican are committed to working to
get this government open. But we need a clean cr
Let's get it open and we can debate the other
issues at hand.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
And as you point out, Congressman, your offices both in
DC and here in Columbus remain open to help your
constituents navigate through this shutdown and what it means. So yeah,
I would expect your phones to be busy. And what
you know, it's interesting, you know, and the memes are
out there, and it's they're they're meant to be funny,
but you see the memes that suggest that it's easier
(06:15):
to negotiate with Hamas than it is with Senate Democrats
over this, And there's a little bit of truth to
that though, Mike, because when you see what they did
in the Middle East, as far as they got to
a yes first, then they worked out some of the
details after, here's a basic structure of an agreement, and
then we'll work out some of the details. And that's
(06:36):
really what we should have been doing here domestically with
the government shutdown. Get to an agreement and then work
out the deals, and it will switch gears and talk
about Israel and Hamas. And you've been a long supporter
of Israel and its ability to defend itself.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Well, I mean, you know, I know the memes are
out there, and I think that that is a very serious,
serious issue, and all credit whether you support the president
or you don't support the president. And then I mean,
you have to you have to admit this. This was monumental,
you know, to have the president speaking at the Knesse
and you know, bringing back the hostages. I mean, he's
(07:12):
already ended seven conflicts around the globe, this making the eighth.
But listen, we know that Hamas started this war. They
had rejected peace previously, and I think President Trump's and
I and again I I believe this goes back, you know,
not just since he's taken office this time, this goes
back even longer, him developing those relationships in the meter
(07:34):
in the Middle East, with with many of our Arab
with many of the Arab countries that are you know,
and you saw that, you know, he went to Israel
and then he went to Egypt. He spoke in front
of them. I am I'm going to stay as optimistic
as I possibly can. This was a great day for
the people of Israel. Is a great day for those
that those of us that support Israel in this country.
(07:57):
And again I I just hope this can result in
the life lasting peace and long term stability in the
Middle East that I think. I know that all of
us and Mike, you and I are probably around the
same age. I mean, we have watched this, you know,
for for all of our lifetime, and and and and
for me to to watch this, it choked you up
just watching it.
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