December 2, 2024 • 10 mins
BBC Analyst Jeff Logan breaks down the loss and says Ryan Day's future is safe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The buck guy's got a two and a half three
weeks to regroup, and they are still one of the
most talented teams in college football.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
And I would imagine, and I think a lot of
people would not be surprised if they are one of
the final four teams left standing in college football in
about a month and a half from now.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I would agree with you one hundred percent. And it's
just a matter of is that enough to take away
the sting and the pain of what goes on because
so much effort, and I'm talking from a fan standpoint,
from a player standpoint, coaches, you know, everybody associated with
the program, so much effort goes into this one singular
(00:38):
event that it just takes you out of reality because
you know, the fact of the matter is they will
be one of the final twelve teams obviously that will
have a playoff opportunity. So you're still alive. You know,
you get get a little bit of a break to
(00:59):
rest your body for the next week or two. Is
that a good thing?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I think it probably is. But you would have obviously
wanted to play in that Big Ten Championship game coming
this Saturday, in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
No doubt, No doubt, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So you watched the game, and I'm not going to
rewatch the game.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think we all saw what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Was this a bad game plan coming into the game,
or was this poor execution by the players.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, it's interesting because Matt mcclan i were speaking in
the post game and I was listening to Ryan Day's
postgame conference and he kept using the word this is
not what we expected. We expected to have a different result,
and I think that it led me to kind of
think that the entire program was expecting this to happen.
(01:49):
When you have to go out and I don't care
if you're playing against a team up North or you're
playing Purdue, you can't go out with expectations. You've got
to go out with a plan to execute what needs
to be done. And I shared with Matt, I said,
and I was serious about this. I think they need
to install a big mirror on the front of every
(02:09):
locker in that building because it ultimately it comes down
to players. And Ryan Day has said that all season long,
that you know, even in the wins, we're not going
to take credit for this. The players are going to
take credit because they executed when they went out there,
and this game was a failure to execute. Now, I'm
not going to leave the coaches off the hook, because
(02:31):
I think there was a missed opportunities from a coaching
standpoint that they are going to take a hard look at,
and it just is a is an unfortunate feeling for
so many people associated with the program.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Why do you think they got away from passing? I mean,
they come down in that two minute drill before half
when they scored the touchdown, and they looked like the
Buckeyes we've seen all season, h hitting Jeremiah Smith, making
you know, the plays, getting the ball outside, getting to
your skill guys, and your playmakers either like okay, there
you go, there's Ohio State, it's you know, it's what
at that point, I think seven to three maybe I
(03:06):
don't even know.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So why did they get away from that late in
the game.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, it's interesting that was a two minute offense, and
obviously the defense that is defending a two minute offense
is going to be dramatically different than regular game kind
of situations. Okay, so people need to really understand play
call and situation and defenses and that sort of thing.
Michigan was using what's called a cloud, a cover three,
(03:31):
meaning three safeties that were way deep, creating a cloud
over top of the defense that was not going to
allow anything deep. What they did not Ohio State take
advantage of, in my opinion, was the underneath, now of
the belly of that defense became susceptible to be able
to throw the ball on crossing routes or drag routes
over the middle. And you know, we got so intent
(03:53):
on trying to make first downs by running the ball,
because in a cloud defense, when they've committed that many
people to stop the pass, you should be able to
run the football. But you have to execute at the
offensive line. And that's what did not happen during this
game Michigan. For another year, folks won the.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Trenches and they won the running game too.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And that's what now twenty two or twenty three consecutive
years where the team that had the most yards on
the ground wins the game. And you know, even then, Michigan,
I'm showing forty two carries one hundred and seventy two yards,
not not world beating by any stretch of the imagination.
And the Buckeyes some what seventy seven yards twenty six carries.
(04:37):
You just you've got to run. You had a great
hat on a week ago Monday at the beat Michigan
Bucks Line party that just had run the damn ball.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yes, and you got to do it successfully. And you know,
it really frustrating that, you, you know, you hold a
team to one touchdown defensively and two field goals and
that's not enough to win the game. I mean, give
me a break. The defense I thought was terrific. I
really thought that Jack Sawyer interception was going to set
up things for the end story of this game where
(05:11):
Ohio State was going to be able to take the
ball then eighty yards down the field and be able
to make that score at the end of the game.
So when they failed to put those first downs together
and gave Michigan the ball back again, I think it
really put them in a bad position. Special teams were
also a problem for Ohio State. The obvious part of
(05:31):
that with the two miss field goals that were very makeable,
but we had other mistakes in the kicking game as well.
We mishandled a kickoff that we ended up having to
start the drive at the six yard line. That's unforgivable.
We had a punt that should have been at least
fair caught that we let get on the ground and
it rolls out for a sixty eight yard punt. Again,
(05:54):
you're starting to drive inside your own ten yard line.
That is not championship football by any stretch the imagination.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A couple of I guess, off the field type are
outside of the sixty minutes type questions. The flag planting
at the end of the game. Is that something that
should be a part of college football.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Jeff, I hope not. They're going to have to make
some legislation about that. You know, they've set rules at
the beginning of the game where teams can be on
the field for warm ups and that sort of thing,
just to avoid some of those pregame issues that have
come on board. I think there's going to be some
postgame restrictions as well, in terms of teams exiting the
(06:31):
field and most certainly not denigrating the other team's logo
in situations where you're on the road. So that's got
to end. Ohio State and Michigan each find one hundred
thousand dollars by the Big Ten Conference. No suspensions apparently,
so they didn't look at that videotape and decide that
(06:52):
number eleven or number twelve you need to be, you know,
out for the next game. Thank goodness that didn't occur.
And it's unfortunate to put number one hour law enforcement
people in that kind of a circumstance to have to
use pepper spray to get people off the field. I mean,
and we can talk all we want to about was
that necessary. Well, if you looked at some of the
(07:14):
actions on the field, I don't think they had any choice.
They were fearing for their own safety. We had some
guys that got bloodied. Coaches and support staff, players are fine. Heck,
they're wearing all that equipment. They're not going to get
any problem. I thought it was interesting there, you know,
we're down at the end of the field doing Carmen
Ohio and God bless our guys for in a loss,
(07:35):
emotional going down there and believing in that tradition at
the end of the game, and obviously up on the
big screen they could see what was going on behind
them with the planning of the flag, and I saw
Jack Sawyer, who was arm in arm with Ryan Day,
just kind of shove Ryan away and into the battle,
into the fray. He was going for, you know, defense
(07:56):
of the stadium, and that is inappropriate to that kind
of a situation following the college football game. And it
wasn't specific to Ohio State. No, it happened everywhere throughout
college football. Not everywhere, it happened to a lot of
places on Saturday in these rivalry games. So something does
have to change, Mike, I.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Would imagine it would.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I don't think this will happen again, simply because I
mean the Big Ten sort of set precedent with the fines.
I would see other conferences follow suit. I would imagine
coaches are addressing their team saying, do not do this
under any circumstance. Take your win, take your loss, get
back to the locker room before I let you fly
Ryan Day's future at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Jeff, I think it sound. I'm not a fan of
just knee jerk reactions. And you can say, well, Jeff,
four in a row, that's not knee jerk. I get it.
But in this new age of college football, and it's
hard to say that we're going to put traditions aside.
But the importance of the Michigan game in the regular season. Now,
(08:58):
Woody would strike me dead to say words is not
as critical as getting into the college football playoffs. And
I'm not saying take anything off of the rivalry or
the tradition or anything else. But you've got to understand
what I've called the body of work all year of
this football team. They're ten and two. They're one of
the top seven or eight teams based on the rankings
(09:18):
of the teams in the country. What do you want Alabama?
You go ahead, take Alabama, go cheer for them. They've
got three losses on their record. And I would say
to you that many of those teams ranked ahead of
Ohio State right now. We would include Indiana and Purdue,
or excuse me, Indiana and Penn State are teams at
Ohio State beat yep. So I think the future is
(09:42):
bright for Ohio State. I think the future is bright
for Ryan Day and the staff that he has here.
We've got to move in that direction.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I guess put it simply put, would you rather have
had Michigan season where you're a middling team, you finished
the season at seven and five, and you beat Ohio
State in a just a crappy, grinded out game, and
your season's over, or would you rather be a high
state right now and have something to play for.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I agree with you one hundred percent, and I think
that if you know, it's going to take some time
for the healing to occur, but once that big ten
championship game is in the rearview mirror and Ohio State
knows that they're going to be you know, playing you know,
at Tennessee or hosting Tennessee or somewhere in between, which
or all the projections are, I think Ohio State moves on,
(10:25):
and I think they go into that with a great attitude.
The buck guy's got a two and a half three
weeks to regroup, and they are still one of the
most talented teams in college football.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
There's no doubt about that.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
And I would imagine, and I think a lot of
people would not be surprised if they are one of
the final four teams left standing in college football in
about a month and a half from now.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I would agree with you one hundred percent. And it's
just a matter of is that enough to take away
the sting and the pain of what goes on because
so much effort, and I'm talking from a fan standpoint,
from a player standpoint, coaches, you know, everybody associated with
the program, so much effort goes into this one singular
(00:38):
event that it just takes you out of reality because
you know, the fact of the matter is they will
be one of the final twelve teams obviously that will
have a playoff opportunity. So you're still alive. You know,
you get get a little bit of a break to
(00:59):
rest your body for the next week or two. Is
that a good thing?
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I think it probably is. But you would have obviously
wanted to play in that Big Ten Championship game coming
this Saturday, in Indianapolis.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
No doubt, No doubt, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
So you watched the game, and I'm not going to
rewatch the game.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
I think we all saw what happened.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Was this a bad game plan coming into the game,
or was this poor execution by the players.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Well, it's interesting because Matt mcclan i were speaking in
the post game and I was listening to Ryan Day's
postgame conference and he kept using the word this is
not what we expected. We expected to have a different result,
and I think that it led me to kind of
think that the entire program was expecting this to happen.
(01:49):
When you have to go out and I don't care
if you're playing against a team up North or you're
playing Purdue, you can't go out with expectations. You've got
to go out with a plan to execute what needs
to be done. And I shared with Matt, I said,
and I was serious about this. I think they need
to install a big mirror on the front of every
(02:09):
locker in that building because it ultimately it comes down
to players. And Ryan Day has said that all season long,
that you know, even in the wins, we're not going
to take credit for this. The players are going to
take credit because they executed when they went out there,
and this game was a failure to execute. Now, I'm
not going to leave the coaches off the hook, because
(02:31):
I think there was a missed opportunities from a coaching
standpoint that they are going to take a hard look at,
and it just is a is an unfortunate feeling for
so many people associated with the program.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Why do you think they got away from passing? I mean,
they come down in that two minute drill before half
when they scored the touchdown, and they looked like the
Buckeyes we've seen all season, h hitting Jeremiah Smith, making
you know, the plays, getting the ball outside, getting to
your skill guys, and your playmakers either like okay, there
you go, there's Ohio State, it's you know, it's what
at that point, I think seven to three maybe I
(03:06):
don't even know.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
So why did they get away from that late in
the game.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Well, it's interesting that was a two minute offense, and
obviously the defense that is defending a two minute offense
is going to be dramatically different than regular game kind
of situations. Okay, so people need to really understand play
call and situation and defenses and that sort of thing.
Michigan was using what's called a cloud, a cover three,
(03:31):
meaning three safeties that were way deep, creating a cloud
over top of the defense that was not going to
allow anything deep. What they did not Ohio State take
advantage of, in my opinion, was the underneath, now of
the belly of that defense became susceptible to be able
to throw the ball on crossing routes or drag routes
over the middle. And you know, we got so intent
(03:53):
on trying to make first downs by running the ball,
because in a cloud defense, when they've committed that many
people to stop the pass, you should be able to
run the football. But you have to execute at the
offensive line. And that's what did not happen during this
game Michigan. For another year, folks won the.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
Trenches and they won the running game too.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
And that's what now twenty two or twenty three consecutive
years where the team that had the most yards on
the ground wins the game. And you know, even then, Michigan,
I'm showing forty two carries one hundred and seventy two yards,
not not world beating by any stretch of the imagination.
And the Buckeyes some what seventy seven yards twenty six carries.
(04:37):
You just you've got to run. You had a great
hat on a week ago Monday at the beat Michigan
Bucks Line party that just had run the damn ball.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
Yes, and you got to do it successfully. And you know,
it really frustrating that, you, you know, you hold a
team to one touchdown defensively and two field goals and
that's not enough to win the game. I mean, give
me a break. The defense I thought was terrific. I
really thought that Jack Sawyer interception was going to set
up things for the end story of this game where
(05:11):
Ohio State was going to be able to take the
ball then eighty yards down the field and be able
to make that score at the end of the game.
So when they failed to put those first downs together
and gave Michigan the ball back again, I think it
really put them in a bad position. Special teams were
also a problem for Ohio State. The obvious part of
(05:31):
that with the two miss field goals that were very makeable,
but we had other mistakes in the kicking game as well.
We mishandled a kickoff that we ended up having to
start the drive at the six yard line. That's unforgivable.
We had a punt that should have been at least
fair caught that we let get on the ground and
it rolls out for a sixty eight yard punt. Again,
(05:54):
you're starting to drive inside your own ten yard line.
That is not championship football by any stretch the imagination.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
A couple of I guess, off the field type are
outside of the sixty minutes type questions. The flag planting
at the end of the game. Is that something that
should be a part of college football.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Jeff, I hope not. They're going to have to make
some legislation about that. You know, they've set rules at
the beginning of the game where teams can be on
the field for warm ups and that sort of thing,
just to avoid some of those pregame issues that have
come on board. I think there's going to be some
postgame restrictions as well, in terms of teams exiting the
(06:31):
field and most certainly not denigrating the other team's logo
in situations where you're on the road. So that's got
to end. Ohio State and Michigan each find one hundred
thousand dollars by the Big Ten Conference. No suspensions apparently,
so they didn't look at that videotape and decide that
(06:52):
number eleven or number twelve you need to be, you know,
out for the next game. Thank goodness that didn't occur.
And it's unfortunate to put number one hour law enforcement
people in that kind of a circumstance to have to
use pepper spray to get people off the field. I mean,
and we can talk all we want to about was
that necessary. Well, if you looked at some of the
(07:14):
actions on the field, I don't think they had any choice.
They were fearing for their own safety. We had some
guys that got bloodied. Coaches and support staff, players are fine. Heck,
they're wearing all that equipment. They're not going to get
any problem. I thought it was interesting there, you know,
we're down at the end of the field doing Carmen
Ohio and God bless our guys for in a loss,
(07:35):
emotional going down there and believing in that tradition at
the end of the game, and obviously up on the
big screen they could see what was going on behind
them with the planning of the flag, and I saw
Jack Sawyer, who was arm in arm with Ryan Day,
just kind of shove Ryan away and into the battle,
into the fray. He was going for, you know, defense
(07:56):
of the stadium, and that is inappropriate to that kind
of a situation following the college football game. And it
wasn't specific to Ohio State. No, it happened everywhere throughout
college football. Not everywhere, it happened to a lot of
places on Saturday in these rivalry games. So something does
have to change, Mike, I.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Would imagine it would.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
I don't think this will happen again, simply because I
mean the Big Ten sort of set precedent with the fines.
I would see other conferences follow suit. I would imagine
coaches are addressing their team saying, do not do this
under any circumstance. Take your win, take your loss, get
back to the locker room before I let you fly
Ryan Day's future at Ohio State.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Jeff, I think it sound. I'm not a fan of
just knee jerk reactions. And you can say, well, Jeff,
four in a row, that's not knee jerk. I get it.
But in this new age of college football, and it's
hard to say that we're going to put traditions aside.
But the importance of the Michigan game in the regular season. Now,
(08:58):
Woody would strike me dead to say words is not
as critical as getting into the college football playoffs. And
I'm not saying take anything off of the rivalry or
the tradition or anything else. But you've got to understand
what I've called the body of work all year of
this football team. They're ten and two. They're one of
the top seven or eight teams based on the rankings
(09:18):
of the teams in the country. What do you want Alabama?
You go ahead, take Alabama, go cheer for them. They've
got three losses on their record. And I would say
to you that many of those teams ranked ahead of
Ohio State right now. We would include Indiana and Purdue,
or excuse me, Indiana and Penn State are teams at
Ohio State beat yep. So I think the future is
(09:42):
bright for Ohio State. I think the future is bright
for Ryan Day and the staff that he has here.
We've got to move in that direction.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
I guess put it simply put, would you rather have
had Michigan season where you're a middling team, you finished
the season at seven and five, and you beat Ohio
State in a just a crappy, grinded out game, and
your season's over, or would you rather be a high
state right now and have something to play for.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
I agree with you one hundred percent, and I think
that if you know, it's going to take some time
for the healing to occur, but once that big ten
championship game is in the rearview mirror and Ohio State
knows that they're going to be you know, playing you know,
at Tennessee or hosting Tennessee or somewhere in between, which
or all the projections are, I think Ohio State moves on,
(10:25):
and I think they go into that with a great attitude.
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