May 7, 2025 • 8 mins
Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal covers the latest legal cases making headlines including Luigi Mangione claiming Double Jeopardy
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Over to the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line.
He is our guy in Dallas, Jeremy Rosenthal, Dallas attorney,
defense attorney. You can find him at Texas Defense Firm
dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How are you, dude?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It must be a light day today, You're you're on
late with us. It's typically the crack of dawn in
your world. But you probably have a tea time once
we hang up today, don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Indeed I do, Indeed I do. Actually, uh no, not today,
but uh, you know, we've been it's been a little
rainy down here, and yeah, these these court cases and
these clients just keep getting in the way of my golf,
you know.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know it's that it's that pesky job that gets
in their way your social life.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jeremy. I don't know how that works for you, but
I know I feel it too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And by the way, congratulations, I was just looking at
your website here. You guys recently were named the best
criminal defense firm in the Dallas Fort Worth area by
the Dallas Morning News publication.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's a good deal, man.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Some of the stuff in there is actually true on
the website, you know. Sometimes and I'll tell you what
you know. We get desperate some times in our in
our it's hard to rack up the victories in criminal
defense land. Sometimes just a motion to continue that you
win is a that sometimes that goes on the website too.
But thank you, thank you for thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And you've done you've done it all, you've done. You've
been a prosecutor. You are now a defense attorney. So
you know both sides, uh, on all sides of the courtroom,
and it makes you well qualified for these type of segments.
And a couple of stories I want to get to
the uh. There's a lawsuit involving the movie Top Gun Maverick.
This was, of course the kind of the the reboot
(01:34):
of Top Gun with Tom Cruise. There's a guy, he's
the cousin of one of the writers of Top Gun,
who says he wrote some key scenes in the screenplay.
I would imagine this guy did not get any kind
of credit because he's looking for a share of the
profits from the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What's the story.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Are you saying that a big company, a big corporation
in Hollywood, a movie conglomerate is gonna stiff you, is
gonna is gonna not pay he I mean say it
ain't so. Yeah. Yeah, So the guy, he's actually got
some pretty good evidence in his case. He's he's got
some contemporaneous emails, he's got some notes, he's got like
(02:13):
a screenplay that's you know, things are kind of time stamped.
He says he wrote the scene, the first scene of
the movie where I don't want to ruin this for everybody,
but surely you guys have seen it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, go ahead, ruin it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, you know, big the fighter pilot, the Ace fighter
pilot who cannot be constrained anybody. It just will do whatever, right.
He takes the test run and then he crashes and
he walks into a diner. I think the guy claims
to have written that scene, and there's evidence that he did,
but he didn't have a contract with the with the
(02:48):
with I believe paramount, and and he was helping his
cousin out. It's weird, but he's trying to get paid
from it. And when you sue, I mean, look, yeah,
I'm a lawyer. I love me some lawsuits, right, and
sue them all, I say, sue them all, but this
is a great way to not get hired ever again
in Hollywood, right, I mean, this guy sues people. Yeah,
(03:12):
let's do business with him. Yeah, you know, it's he
may win, he may get something.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Out of this.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But but yeah, I don't know that the juice is
worth the squeeze.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, that's I guess that's the question is do you
just sit on your hands and do nothing when your
work went unrecognized, whether it was an on screen credit
or of some sort of financial compensation, So you do
you do nothing and hope that your reputation is intact
in Hollywood, or you take some action and, like you said,
point the finger at paramount and say, hey, you owe
(03:44):
me money.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I did work on this film. I don't know. It's
a kind of a coin toss for me.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, well there you go. Make it sense again. Yeah, No,
you're right. I mean, this is a very commercially successful film,
and there's a lot of ducats in this if you
if you do it right and and when One thing
that I don't think a lot of folks know is
that when you do some work that's original like this,
it is automatically trademarked for copyright and it is automatically yours.
(04:12):
Now the it's not protected unless you do it through
the government. That is the tricky part, and it's hard
to sort of source it to say this was mine
and not theirs. That is why the emails and the
date and the timestamp really kind of probably helped this
guy out. But he didn't have a contract with Paramount.
(04:33):
He didn't have a deal with them, And there's a
good chance that Paramount says, who's who's that? Right? I
mean we, you know we we had to deal with
the cousin, not him, And if the cousins do it,
you know so, so I think that Paramount's gonna have
some ways to to kind of defend this case. This
one looks like a settlement of some sort.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You're just gonna say, they're gonna right, You're gonna cut
him a check and say go away, we don't want
to hear from you again, right.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Right, And then you'll see him on Rockey seventeen.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He'll get the screen one.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He is Jeremy Rosenthal. If you ever get in trouble
in Dallas. By the way, I got a guy, and
he's Jeremy Rosenthal. You can find him at Texas Defense
Firm dot com. The other story, this one is a
head scratcher. To me, Luigi Mangioni wants his state murder
case dropped. He's arguing double jeopardy in the just the
(05:24):
cold blooded killing of the Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson from
United Healthcare. So how does this work if I claim
double jeopardy? That doesn't mean the whole case gets thrown out?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And that's a fabulous question and really illegally intricate one
that if I can nerd out here for just the second,
please right, Yeah, we have in America we have dual sovereignty,
meaning that we have the federal government and the state
government are both sovereigns Now, in criminal law, there is
a doctrine of dual sovereignty which has been recognized timing
(06:00):
again by the Supreme Court. What that means is that
the federal government can prosecute you for the same thing
as the state government, and that is not double jeopardy. However,
asterisk A state can always provide more protection than the
US Constitution, it can never provide less. New York State
(06:24):
has a law that says, if the Feds prosecute you
for this, and we have to have what's called jeopardy attaching.
That's another story. But if the Feds prosecute you and
jeopardy attaches, then New York State cannot prosecute. So in
this instant, in this narrow, narrow instance, they have drawn
(06:45):
a play in the sand that, if it works, springs him. Now,
in fairness, this is like me, This is like the
Cowboys coach telling me all I gotta do is block
Micah Parsons Jeremy. You block him, and we're going to
win this game. Right, That's not happening. So so so
this is a great plan. It's not gonna work, but
(07:05):
it's a great plan.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I mean, this guy is not gonna he's not gonna
get off and we he did, he did the crime.
He's gonna do the time, whether it's a state charge
or a federal charge.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Right, and there's there. This isn't gonna fly.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Uh, they've got a really really long that They've got
a very difficult, uh road ahead of them. I mean,
you're not gonna be able to send Luigi Manjuni by
saying it's not me right right, I mean, I mean
there's eight million pieces of evidence at point right to him.
So yeah, about all you got is insanity and that's
(07:38):
a real hard one to do. Uh, and you know
so I I yeah, no, he's not gonna he's not
gonna walk on this. But look, I mean the lawyers
are doing their job, and for all my clients, we're
gonna start gofundmes and see if we can't do.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I'll tell you, I'll tell you what's insane. It's uh,
maybe very well at Luigi Manngioni. But you know who's
insane These women who are sending him letters and cash
and other unmentionables in the mail because they've got a
crush on this guy and they think he did a
good thing. That's insanity, my man.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I mean, look, Charles, I
mean what is it about this psycho killer? Right? I
mean Charles Manson has a fan following like this occult following,
and you know, I mean look, I mean, you know,
being a lawyer doesn't get him rushing out just that,
you know, it doesn't. It doesn't get a flock into you.
Just just I'll just tell you
Over to the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line.
He is our guy in Dallas, Jeremy Rosenthal, Dallas attorney,
defense attorney. You can find him at Texas Defense Firm
dot com.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
How are you, dude?
Speaker 1 (00:10):
It must be a light day today, You're you're on
late with us. It's typically the crack of dawn in
your world. But you probably have a tea time once
we hang up today, don't you.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Indeed I do, Indeed I do. Actually, uh no, not today,
but uh, you know, we've been it's been a little
rainy down here, and yeah, these these court cases and
these clients just keep getting in the way of my golf,
you know.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
You know it's that it's that pesky job that gets
in their way your social life.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Jeremy. I don't know how that works for you, but
I know I feel it too.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
And by the way, congratulations, I was just looking at
your website here. You guys recently were named the best
criminal defense firm in the Dallas Fort Worth area by
the Dallas Morning News publication.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
That's a good deal, man.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Some of the stuff in there is actually true on
the website, you know. Sometimes and I'll tell you what
you know. We get desperate some times in our in
our it's hard to rack up the victories in criminal
defense land. Sometimes just a motion to continue that you
win is a that sometimes that goes on the website too.
But thank you, thank you for thank you for that.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Well.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
And you've done you've done it all, you've done. You've
been a prosecutor. You are now a defense attorney. So
you know both sides, uh, on all sides of the courtroom,
and it makes you well qualified for these type of segments.
And a couple of stories I want to get to
the uh. There's a lawsuit involving the movie Top Gun Maverick.
This was, of course the kind of the the reboot
(01:34):
of Top Gun with Tom Cruise. There's a guy, he's
the cousin of one of the writers of Top Gun,
who says he wrote some key scenes in the screenplay.
I would imagine this guy did not get any kind
of credit because he's looking for a share of the
profits from the movie.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
What's the story.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
Are you saying that a big company, a big corporation
in Hollywood, a movie conglomerate is gonna stiff you, is
gonna is gonna not pay he I mean say it
ain't so. Yeah. Yeah, So the guy, he's actually got
some pretty good evidence in his case. He's he's got
some contemporaneous emails, he's got some notes, he's got like
(02:13):
a screenplay that's you know, things are kind of time stamped.
He says he wrote the scene, the first scene of
the movie where I don't want to ruin this for everybody,
but surely you guys have seen it.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yeah, go ahead, ruin it.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, you know, big the fighter pilot, the Ace fighter
pilot who cannot be constrained anybody. It just will do whatever, right.
He takes the test run and then he crashes and
he walks into a diner. I think the guy claims
to have written that scene, and there's evidence that he did,
but he didn't have a contract with the with the
(02:48):
with I believe paramount, and and he was helping his
cousin out. It's weird, but he's trying to get paid
from it. And when you sue, I mean, look, yeah,
I'm a lawyer. I love me some lawsuits, right, and
sue them all, I say, sue them all, but this
is a great way to not get hired ever again
in Hollywood, right, I mean, this guy sues people. Yeah,
(03:12):
let's do business with him. Yeah, you know, it's he
may win, he may get something.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
Out of this.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
But but yeah, I don't know that the juice is
worth the squeeze.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Right.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, that's I guess that's the question is do you
just sit on your hands and do nothing when your
work went unrecognized, whether it was an on screen credit
or of some sort of financial compensation, So you do
you do nothing and hope that your reputation is intact
in Hollywood, or you take some action and, like you said,
point the finger at paramount and say, hey, you owe
(03:44):
me money.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
I did work on this film. I don't know. It's
a kind of a coin toss for me.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
Yeah, well there you go. Make it sense again. Yeah, No,
you're right. I mean, this is a very commercially successful film,
and there's a lot of ducats in this if you
if you do it right and and when One thing
that I don't think a lot of folks know is
that when you do some work that's original like this,
it is automatically trademarked for copyright and it is automatically yours.
(04:12):
Now the it's not protected unless you do it through
the government. That is the tricky part, and it's hard
to sort of source it to say this was mine
and not theirs. That is why the emails and the
date and the timestamp really kind of probably helped this
guy out. But he didn't have a contract with Paramount.
(04:33):
He didn't have a deal with them, And there's a
good chance that Paramount says, who's who's that? Right? I
mean we, you know we we had to deal with
the cousin, not him, And if the cousins do it,
you know so, so I think that Paramount's gonna have
some ways to to kind of defend this case. This
one looks like a settlement of some sort.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
You're just gonna say, they're gonna right, You're gonna cut
him a check and say go away, we don't want
to hear from you again, right.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Right, And then you'll see him on Rockey seventeen.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
He'll get the screen one.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
He is Jeremy Rosenthal. If you ever get in trouble
in Dallas. By the way, I got a guy, and
he's Jeremy Rosenthal. You can find him at Texas Defense
Firm dot com. The other story, this one is a
head scratcher. To me, Luigi Mangioni wants his state murder
case dropped. He's arguing double jeopardy in the just the
(05:24):
cold blooded killing of the Healthcare CEO Brian Thompson from
United Healthcare. So how does this work if I claim
double jeopardy? That doesn't mean the whole case gets thrown out?
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (05:37):
And that's a fabulous question and really illegally intricate one
that if I can nerd out here for just the second,
please right, Yeah, we have in America we have dual sovereignty,
meaning that we have the federal government and the state
government are both sovereigns Now, in criminal law, there is
a doctrine of dual sovereignty which has been recognized timing
(06:00):
again by the Supreme Court. What that means is that
the federal government can prosecute you for the same thing
as the state government, and that is not double jeopardy. However,
asterisk A state can always provide more protection than the
US Constitution, it can never provide less. New York State
(06:24):
has a law that says, if the Feds prosecute you
for this, and we have to have what's called jeopardy attaching.
That's another story. But if the Feds prosecute you and
jeopardy attaches, then New York State cannot prosecute. So in
this instant, in this narrow, narrow instance, they have drawn
(06:45):
a play in the sand that, if it works, springs him. Now,
in fairness, this is like me, This is like the
Cowboys coach telling me all I gotta do is block
Micah Parsons Jeremy. You block him, and we're going to
win this game. Right, That's not happening. So so so
this is a great plan. It's not gonna work, but
(07:05):
it's a great plan.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
I mean, this guy is not gonna he's not gonna
get off and we he did, he did the crime.
He's gonna do the time, whether it's a state charge
or a federal charge.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Right, and there's there. This isn't gonna fly.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
Uh, they've got a really really long that They've got
a very difficult, uh road ahead of them. I mean,
you're not gonna be able to send Luigi Manjuni by
saying it's not me right right, I mean, I mean
there's eight million pieces of evidence at point right to him.
So yeah, about all you got is insanity and that's
(07:38):
a real hard one to do. Uh, and you know
so I I yeah, no, he's not gonna he's not
gonna walk on this. But look, I mean the lawyers
are doing their job, and for all my clients, we're
gonna start gofundmes and see if we can't do.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
I'll tell you, I'll tell you what's insane. It's uh,
maybe very well at Luigi Manngioni. But you know who's
insane These women who are sending him letters and cash
and other unmentionables in the mail because they've got a
crush on this guy and they think he did a
good thing. That's insanity, my man.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. I mean, look, Charles, I
mean what is it about this psycho killer? Right? I
mean Charles Manson has a fan following like this occult following,
and you know, I mean look, I mean, you know,
being a lawyer doesn't get him rushing out just that,
you know, it doesn't. It doesn't get a flock into you.
Just just I'll just tell you
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