December 9, 2025 • 11 mins
John Clor of CarsInContext.com explains why this is a good thing and why EV's are losing their popularity
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
A lot of times, you know, a paint company will
come to them and say, hey, this week, have this
this new shade of orange, and what should we call it?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
And so they specialize.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Like Asian Mandarin orange.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, they specialize in colored trends and so forth. And
every year they announced what they predict will be the
color of the year for the for the upcoming year. So,
for example, for twenty twenty six, Pantone announced their color
cloud Dancer would be the color of the year. They
describe cloud Dancer as a lofty, white neutral whose air
(00:32):
rated presence acts as a whisper of calm and peace
in a noisy world. Keyword white that set off the
woke crowd like you would not believe why, I mean,
I use that's.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The most calming description of a color I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Choosing the color white during this social and political climate
really says something, says some designer that no one's heard of.
A lot of white women are going on TikTok saying
choosing purity white is the cultural color of the year
while the rest of us are screaming for humanity.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
It's a color.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Choosing white or cloudy days as a color of the
year is a political statement. I don't care. I don't
think I'm wrong. According to another white woke woman, it's
a color if you are making the connection between a
trendy color, and let's be honest, white is a trendy
color right now for home decoration.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yes, today, that's the bottom line. Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If you can make a connection to politics or racializing
an off white color, you're special and not in a
good way.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Could you tell me the name of that color again, please,
Cloud Dancer. I think that sounds awesome, But.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like, how many times did we talk to you, Mike
from jsbing We're talking about trendy kitchens and so forth.
You know, people, I really like that light white, down
white and white feel right now. It's just super clean
and natural and neutral.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And that's what this is. It's a color.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I got a new color for these wolf women, butt
head yellow, whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's just funny. I wish I had I wish I
had time.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
In my life to be so upset and so offended
to go on TikTok to complain about it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Color angry red.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
This is the hue of the people's cheeks that are
yelling for no apparent reason.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I have so much more to worry about. And let's
talk about one of those things right now with our guests.
It's John Klore of cars in context on the Legacy
Retirement Group dot com phone line.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Who. I don't know what color your Mustang is, John,
but is it white? Is it cloud dancer? White?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I do have a white Mustang with red stripes, and
I get a red Mustang with black stripes. But I
don't know what the stripes mean. But now you just
ruined my whole Christmas. I was dreaming of a cloud
dancer Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You know what, that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Can we not say dreaming of a white Christmas anymore?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Dreaming of cloud answer Christmas? That's great. That's why you
love people with no common sense.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It really is remarkable, John Klore. I loved to checking
in live from the Motor City, and I wanted to
get your thoughts on these cafe standards, as they're called.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So we'll just set this up for you.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The Trump administration is considering rolling back the corporate Average
Fuel Economy or cafe standards, rolling back some of the
more strict requirements set by the Biden administration. Biden wanted
all cars to get about fifty miles per gallon by
twenty thirty one. This new proposal would roll that back
(03:44):
to about thirty four miles per gallon by twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Oh my god, if people only knew, you know, this
is quietly not making the headlines that should. This is
the greatest day we've heard for the US auto industry
in years, and that's because common sense again, it's coming
into play. You don't make unrealistic standards that people can't meet,
because then things happen that are bad and what's going on,
(04:11):
and you know, say what you will about You know,
we're going to get better mileage. You know it's so
much better. But when you try to legislate a breakthrough,
it doesn't work. If that were the case tomorrow, I
want the EPA to legislate the end of finding cure
for cancer tomorrow. Okay, they you just write a law,
there's the standard, only two people can get it, and
(04:32):
then next year that's all going to happen. Right, that's
all you need for a breakthrough. That's how stupid the
EPA standards, the CAFE standards were and what people don't
understand or realize it's what it's done. It really has
ruined our cars. You know, you talk about the affordability
of cars, but what's happened is to make the standards
we just have right now. Secretly, the auto companies have
(04:55):
been trying to do things just to get that extra
half mile per gallon. And when it comes to trucks,
we've lost our oil. Discuss we've got down to a
five W twenty in oil. And what's happening over the
last five, six, seven years with this thin oil which
is less resistance, which gets you another half mile per gallon? Well,
guess what we're blowing up engines, GM, Ford, Hyundai, Kia.
(05:19):
There's a consequence to cutting corners to try to make
a standard that's unreasonable. So, oh, you're going to save
a dollar for the guess you say, but you're gonna
lose thirteen thousand dollars to replace your engine.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Wow, that's the.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Stupidity of what's been going on. And you know the
driving costs up. You know, it's not just the money.
When you spend money on trying to meet a standard
you can't make, well, guess what happens. You can't spend
money on product development for the cars that you want.
We don't have small cars, you know, unfortunately you have
a Fiesta or Focused because the footprint on smaller cars
meant they had that meat a higher standard that means
(05:53):
you had to put more R and D into they
get that standard. And what happened had that power shift
transmission to try to save two miles per gallon blew
up and all the cars were so, you know, unattainable
because they said, you can't fix these things, and now
we don't have them. So you take away choice, you
take away durability, you take away reliability. And you said, oh, well, well, well,
(06:14):
how can we can't meet it fifty miles for going Well,
because you only wanted to can meet it with the
EV's And we all knew that the government was in
that playing that game, and we're going to force us
all the EV's. It's evil and I'm so pleased that
you guys are calling us one out because this has
been needed for years.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I immediately thought of you when I saw this story,
saying we've talked about this in the past. It's completely
unrealistic and as you point out, burdensome the cost to
manufacture these engines that Yeah, can get to a mile
or two a gallon, you know, higher than the old ones.
And it's going to reduce the price of a new
car buy anywhere from a thousand to fifteen hundred bucks,
(06:51):
which you know might not seem a lot, but have
you seen the price of a new car.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I'll take it. I'll take a thousand dollars and I
can get it.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, and you actually give us more choice eventually, if
we can actually old cars that people want instead of
build going you know, and the EV thing, what a
joke that was. You know, Tesla for years was selling
more EV credits, more cafe credits to the big three.
Then they were making more money from that than they
weren't making money from selling cars. It was a big
it was just a big pyramid scheme. And you know,
(07:18):
Congress should go, here's the problem. The e p A
really shouldn't exist. You know I did. If you go
to YouTube and see my cars in Context TV channel,
we did a story on you know, why the EPA
is a scam, and we've actually followed one of these guys.
These guys are not engineers, they're not scientists, they're not climatologists.
These guys are professional bureaucats thatsid around to try to
write regulations. It's all they do. And when we found
(07:40):
found this out, you know what happens when you penalize,
Oh you didn't make your standard, okay for you're going
to pay ten million dollars. Fine, Well, where does that
money going. It goes into the EPA so they can
hire more bureaucrats. It's so funny. And why does et
exist there? And it's exists, well because the people you
elected don't want to do the work. They want to
spend time on you know, the stock market so they
(08:01):
can insider trading, they can fight with each other, they
get they're not actually protecting their constituents back home. They're
they're hiring agencies to do this, which you did not elect.
So this is a great day for the auto industry
to be able to make a standard that we can
try to meet with current technology. We don't have to.
You know, somebody telling me, oh, you're just done your
(08:23):
big oil. Well, the card companies had one hundred miles,
they had one hundred mile per gallon carburetor years ago.
Do you mean to tell me if somebody had that,
if you could get one hundred miles per gallon in
your F one fifty. They wouldn't put it in there
and wipe the rest of the world away with that
one vehicle. They would do it in a heartbeat. It's
just it's just so dumb, and I just I'm so
pleased that somebody has some common sense and let's get
(08:45):
back to building cars people want and that actually meet
a standard that we don't have to cut corners and
baber engines and use oil. It's center than the stuff
my mom put in their singers.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
John cars context dot com. You can find them on
you too, but elsewhere. And you know, you bring up
a good point. I mean, I look at my mileage
I get on my truck, and you know, yeah, I
want higher mileage. Yeah, when I get twenty seven miles
a gallon on, I'm thrilled about that. But at what cost?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Is it because my truck is now made a plastic
and not you know, metal like they used to be.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I mean, when you look at.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Who supports this outside of guys like you and me,
I mean, starting with the automakers and all of the
dealer associations, they love this move.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh yeah, and the the bottom line for us was.
You know, it takes away the choice. You know, we
didn't elect these people, We didn't. You know, it's our
choice of what vehicle we should drive should be up
to us, you know. And the point is that this
was clearly designed to force everyone into EV's. You know, California,
you couldn't have a gas car after twenty fifty, so
what are you gonna have nothing? You know, you can't
(09:50):
afford us a sixty seventy thousand doars EVE and by
twenty fifty California we'll have no power whatsoever because they're
going to go on just solar and whatever and win.
And when all the birds are dead, then they're going
to say, well, the wind wasn't working on so so
I don't. And you know sometimes I heard that thing
it never rains in southern Calimbraan, well that's not true.
And you know, the whole the whole thing was a
(10:12):
push to get us into EVS. And we've told the world.
You know, that's great for some people, it works all great,
but it's not the end all, ar b all, and
quit having bureaucrats making decisions on what we should be
able to make on our own based on our wallet.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I don't begrudge anybody for driving an EV. If that
makes sense for you, then that's great that they have
their place. But yeah, don't make me drive one if
I don't want one. And I would submit that anybody
who wants an EV already has one, and they're going
to get their second and their third one. That's where
the sales are coming is repeat customers because the demand
is down for electric vehicles.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And again, much like we're talking about today with gas cars,
for a breakthrough, if the EV industry gets the solid
state battery and if their range and you know, there's
some way the charging time takes less, they may have
a breakthrough. And that couldn't make it more or sense
to buy an EV. But that hasn't happened either, and
that you can't legislate either. You just can't do that.
(11:07):
So I don't understand the whole, that whole thinking other
than that was a way to force everybody into the
EV's And why was that? Why do you think that was?
Because all the congressmen and senators had invested heavily, and
companies were doing EV startups and if they made money,
and guess what they had to you know, they start
We're working at the Senator at eighty thousand dollars a
year and retire with forty three million. That's it's pretty
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:00):
A lot of times, you know, a paint company will
come to them and say, hey, this week, have this
this new shade of orange, and what should we call it?
Speaker 1 (00:07):
And so they specialize.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Like Asian Mandarin orange.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Yeah, they specialize in colored trends and so forth. And
every year they announced what they predict will be the
color of the year for the for the upcoming year. So,
for example, for twenty twenty six, Pantone announced their color
cloud Dancer would be the color of the year. They
describe cloud Dancer as a lofty, white neutral whose air
(00:32):
rated presence acts as a whisper of calm and peace
in a noisy world. Keyword white that set off the
woke crowd like you would not believe why, I mean,
I use that's.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
The most calming description of a color I've ever heard.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Choosing the color white during this social and political climate
really says something, says some designer that no one's heard of.
A lot of white women are going on TikTok saying
choosing purity white is the cultural color of the year
while the rest of us are screaming for humanity.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
It's a color.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Choosing white or cloudy days as a color of the
year is a political statement. I don't care. I don't
think I'm wrong. According to another white woke woman, it's
a color if you are making the connection between a
trendy color, and let's be honest, white is a trendy
color right now for home decoration.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yes, today, that's the bottom line. Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
If you can make a connection to politics or racializing
an off white color, you're special and not in a
good way.
Speaker 3 (01:48):
Could you tell me the name of that color again, please,
Cloud Dancer. I think that sounds awesome, But.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Like, how many times did we talk to you, Mike
from jsbing We're talking about trendy kitchens and so forth.
You know, people, I really like that light white, down
white and white feel right now. It's just super clean
and natural and neutral.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
And that's what this is. It's a color.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
I got a new color for these wolf women, butt
head yellow, whatever.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
It's just funny. I wish I had I wish I
had time.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
In my life to be so upset and so offended
to go on TikTok to complain about it.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Color angry red.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
This is the hue of the people's cheeks that are
yelling for no apparent reason.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I have so much more to worry about. And let's
talk about one of those things right now with our guests.
It's John Klore of cars in context on the Legacy
Retirement Group dot com phone line.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
Who. I don't know what color your Mustang is, John,
but is it white? Is it cloud dancer? White?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
I do have a white Mustang with red stripes, and
I get a red Mustang with black stripes. But I
don't know what the stripes mean. But now you just
ruined my whole Christmas. I was dreaming of a cloud
dancer Christmas.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
You know what, that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Can we not say dreaming of a white Christmas anymore?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Dreaming of cloud answer Christmas? That's great. That's why you
love people with no common sense.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It really is remarkable, John Klore. I loved to checking
in live from the Motor City, and I wanted to
get your thoughts on these cafe standards, as they're called.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
So we'll just set this up for you.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
The Trump administration is considering rolling back the corporate Average
Fuel Economy or cafe standards, rolling back some of the
more strict requirements set by the Biden administration. Biden wanted
all cars to get about fifty miles per gallon by
twenty thirty one. This new proposal would roll that back
(03:44):
to about thirty four miles per gallon by twenty thirty one.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
And I think it's a good thing.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
Oh my god, if people only knew, you know, this
is quietly not making the headlines that should. This is
the greatest day we've heard for the US auto industry
in years, and that's because common sense again, it's coming
into play. You don't make unrealistic standards that people can't meet,
because then things happen that are bad and what's going on,
(04:11):
and you know, say what you will about You know,
we're going to get better mileage. You know it's so
much better. But when you try to legislate a breakthrough,
it doesn't work. If that were the case tomorrow, I
want the EPA to legislate the end of finding cure
for cancer tomorrow. Okay, they you just write a law,
there's the standard, only two people can get it, and
(04:32):
then next year that's all going to happen. Right, that's
all you need for a breakthrough. That's how stupid the
EPA standards, the CAFE standards were and what people don't
understand or realize it's what it's done. It really has
ruined our cars. You know, you talk about the affordability
of cars, but what's happened is to make the standards
we just have right now. Secretly, the auto companies have
(04:55):
been trying to do things just to get that extra
half mile per gallon. And when it comes to trucks,
we've lost our oil. Discuss we've got down to a
five W twenty in oil. And what's happening over the
last five, six, seven years with this thin oil which
is less resistance, which gets you another half mile per gallon? Well,
guess what we're blowing up engines, GM, Ford, Hyundai, Kia.
(05:19):
There's a consequence to cutting corners to try to make
a standard that's unreasonable. So, oh, you're going to save
a dollar for the guess you say, but you're gonna
lose thirteen thousand dollars to replace your engine.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Wow, that's the.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Stupidity of what's been going on. And you know the
driving costs up. You know, it's not just the money.
When you spend money on trying to meet a standard
you can't make, well, guess what happens. You can't spend
money on product development for the cars that you want.
We don't have small cars, you know, unfortunately you have
a Fiesta or Focused because the footprint on smaller cars
meant they had that meat a higher standard that means
(05:53):
you had to put more R and D into they
get that standard. And what happened had that power shift
transmission to try to save two miles per gallon blew
up and all the cars were so, you know, unattainable
because they said, you can't fix these things, and now
we don't have them. So you take away choice, you
take away durability, you take away reliability. And you said, oh, well, well, well,
(06:14):
how can we can't meet it fifty miles for going Well,
because you only wanted to can meet it with the
EV's And we all knew that the government was in
that playing that game, and we're going to force us
all the EV's. It's evil and I'm so pleased that
you guys are calling us one out because this has
been needed for years.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
I immediately thought of you when I saw this story,
saying we've talked about this in the past. It's completely
unrealistic and as you point out, burdensome the cost to
manufacture these engines that Yeah, can get to a mile
or two a gallon, you know, higher than the old ones.
And it's going to reduce the price of a new
car buy anywhere from a thousand to fifteen hundred bucks,
(06:51):
which you know might not seem a lot, but have
you seen the price of a new car.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
I'll take it. I'll take a thousand dollars and I
can get it.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
Yeah, and you actually give us more choice eventually, if
we can actually old cars that people want instead of
build going you know, and the EV thing, what a
joke that was. You know, Tesla for years was selling
more EV credits, more cafe credits to the big three.
Then they were making more money from that than they
weren't making money from selling cars. It was a big
it was just a big pyramid scheme. And you know,
(07:18):
Congress should go, here's the problem. The e p A
really shouldn't exist. You know I did. If you go
to YouTube and see my cars in Context TV channel,
we did a story on you know, why the EPA
is a scam, and we've actually followed one of these guys.
These guys are not engineers, they're not scientists, they're not climatologists.
These guys are professional bureaucats thatsid around to try to
write regulations. It's all they do. And when we found
(07:40):
found this out, you know what happens when you penalize,
Oh you didn't make your standard, okay for you're going
to pay ten million dollars. Fine, Well, where does that
money going. It goes into the EPA so they can
hire more bureaucrats. It's so funny. And why does et
exist there? And it's exists, well because the people you
elected don't want to do the work. They want to
spend time on you know, the stock market so they
(08:01):
can insider trading, they can fight with each other, they
get they're not actually protecting their constituents back home. They're
they're hiring agencies to do this, which you did not elect.
So this is a great day for the auto industry
to be able to make a standard that we can
try to meet with current technology. We don't have to.
You know, somebody telling me, oh, you're just done your
(08:23):
big oil. Well, the card companies had one hundred miles,
they had one hundred mile per gallon carburetor years ago.
Do you mean to tell me if somebody had that,
if you could get one hundred miles per gallon in
your F one fifty. They wouldn't put it in there
and wipe the rest of the world away with that
one vehicle. They would do it in a heartbeat. It's
just it's just so dumb, and I just I'm so
pleased that somebody has some common sense and let's get
(08:45):
back to building cars people want and that actually meet
a standard that we don't have to cut corners and
baber engines and use oil. It's center than the stuff
my mom put in their singers.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
John cars context dot com. You can find them on
you too, but elsewhere. And you know, you bring up
a good point. I mean, I look at my mileage
I get on my truck, and you know, yeah, I
want higher mileage. Yeah, when I get twenty seven miles
a gallon on, I'm thrilled about that. But at what cost?
Speaker 1 (09:13):
You know?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Is it because my truck is now made a plastic
and not you know, metal like they used to be.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
I mean, when you look at.
Speaker 2 (09:20):
Who supports this outside of guys like you and me,
I mean, starting with the automakers and all of the
dealer associations, they love this move.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Oh yeah, and the the bottom line for us was.
You know, it takes away the choice. You know, we
didn't elect these people, We didn't. You know, it's our
choice of what vehicle we should drive should be up
to us, you know. And the point is that this
was clearly designed to force everyone into EV's. You know, California,
you couldn't have a gas car after twenty fifty, so
what are you gonna have nothing? You know, you can't
(09:50):
afford us a sixty seventy thousand doars EVE and by
twenty fifty California we'll have no power whatsoever because they're
going to go on just solar and whatever and win.
And when all the birds are dead, then they're going
to say, well, the wind wasn't working on so so
I don't. And you know sometimes I heard that thing
it never rains in southern Calimbraan, well that's not true.
And you know, the whole the whole thing was a
(10:12):
push to get us into EVS. And we've told the world.
You know, that's great for some people, it works all great,
but it's not the end all, ar b all, and
quit having bureaucrats making decisions on what we should be
able to make on our own based on our wallet.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
I don't begrudge anybody for driving an EV. If that
makes sense for you, then that's great that they have
their place. But yeah, don't make me drive one if
I don't want one. And I would submit that anybody
who wants an EV already has one, and they're going
to get their second and their third one. That's where
the sales are coming is repeat customers because the demand
is down for electric vehicles.
Speaker 4 (10:46):
And again, much like we're talking about today with gas cars,
for a breakthrough, if the EV industry gets the solid
state battery and if their range and you know, there's
some way the charging time takes less, they may have
a breakthrough. And that couldn't make it more or sense
to buy an EV. But that hasn't happened either, and
that you can't legislate either. You just can't do that.
(11:07):
So I don't understand the whole, that whole thinking other
than that was a way to force everybody into the
EV's And why was that? Why do you think that was?
Because all the congressmen and senators had invested heavily, and
companies were doing EV startups and if they made money,
and guess what they had to you know, they start
We're working at the Senator at eighty thousand dollars a
year and retire with forty three million. That's it's pretty
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