May 21, 2025 • 8 mins
Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal looks at the latest legal cases making headlines including UnitedHealth under criminal investigation for Medicare fraud
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
One of the big stories and a sad story.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I don't get much into Hollywood news or celebrity news,
but George went passed away of course, Uh Norm from
Cheers seventy six years old. His family said he passed
in his sleep while at home. And I mean just
a great show. I mean, premiered September thirtieth, nineteen eighty two,
had actually had bad ratings the first season, and they
(00:23):
were actually thinking about pulling it, and they said, well,
let's give it another season, and then it caught on,
and then some eleven years later, the series finale pulled
in eighty million people to watch Cheers, and George went
and Norm on the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line,
he is our guy in Texas, Texas Defense Firm dot com.
Jeremy Rosenthal, you were a Cheers guy, weren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Man? Love Cheers, Love Cheers in fact, man, George went like, Norm, Yeah,
that permeates our culture. When like a lawyer shows up
in court and everybody's like, it's like Norman, and you
make that reference like a twenty something, it shows you.
But yeah, it's permeating.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
They don't get it, and you're probably that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They're probably like Jeremy, right, because you're probably in courtant
eight days a week.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's fun to see. It's fun to see opposing council
space when that happens, like, yeah, what's up, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's probably bad when the when the judge does
it too right, the judges like, hey, buddy, you're you're
high five.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
In Yeah, he's like the judges like ted Dance and up.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
There exactly a couple of stories I wanted to pick
your brain at. Speaking with Texas defense attorney Jeremy Rosenthal
Texas Defense Firm dot Com The Wall Street Journal, Jeremy
is reporting that the Justice Department, the DOJ, is carrying
out a criminal investigation into United Healthcare. Of course, we've
been hearing about them with the whole Luigi Mangione situation.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But the investigation into.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
United Health for possible Medicare fraud, what's the story? There?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
More bad news for those guys than they have had
a really bad couple of years in the middle of it.
In the middle of it was the Brian Thompson assassination.
People forget they had a massive cyber security breach that
early part of twenty twenty four, their stocks took a
big hit there. They've had all sorts of issues. They've
had one CEO after another, Brian Thompson in the middle
(02:18):
of that. They've recently changed again. And look, when you're
talking about Medicare and Medicaid broad anytime you're talking about
the federal government, you're talking about tax dollars. And I
don't care if it's TPP loans or Social Security or
Medicare or Medicaid, or if you're a contractor, like a
(02:38):
defense contractor. The federal government will drill to the center
of the planet to get their money, and if you're
in their way, you tend to be collateral damaged. This
is really bad news for United Healthcare.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I mean, their stock fell eight percent and after hours
trading following that report in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
How do you see this plane out?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
A lot of times you don't know what the federal
government is doing or thinking. They can investigate you and
not tell you, or they can send you a target
letter of some sort which sort of puts you on notice.
They don't legally, I mean it's department policies they're supposed to.
They don't necessarily have to. Not only that, they can
issue subpoenas and sometimes words sort of leaks out. But
(03:23):
this can go in a number of directions. You can
have individuals who could be liable for this typoed fraud
and they're looking at prison. You could have and you
could have the corporation that is that they get held
criminally liable and in those instances you get what's called RESCU,
you get clawback restitution. They try to take the money
back from you, or you're talking about tens or hundreds
(03:47):
of millions of dollars in fines, or even worse for
United Healthcare is they cut off Medicare and Medicaid programs
available to their customers going forward, which functionally put you
out of business. It can be pretty severe.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Jeremy Rosenthaw, Texas Defense Firm dot com. The other story
I wanted to get you on was the is this
is close to home for you in Texas and this
this it's kind of heartbreaking actually when you hear this.
A mother is charged with buying weapons for her son
so he could go shoot up in middle school and
the trade off was that he would babysit his little
(04:24):
brothers and sisters that this is messed up.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
This one doesn't make a lot of sense. Look not
not that, not that when we're talking law, not that
much of it makes sense anyhow. But if you think
about it, I mean healthcare fraud. Okay, we hear about
it all the time, and that that's simple. That's greed, right,
that's or sloppiness or whatever. Even some of these other
(04:48):
school shootings that we've had where you have you had
the Crumbly case in Michigan where the parents were looking
the other way, or the apple Atti floor of excuse me,
Georgia shooting again where you had a parent whose head
was in their rear end. This is different. This is
a mom who's actively encouraging it. If you've seen her mugshot,
(05:11):
I mean you hope that it's mom is the screw
loers here, and that the kid is not like a
junior ted Bundy. But grandma walks into the room and
junior's hitting a nail. He's hitting, excuse me, with a hammer,
a live round that's gonna end up very poorly for
you usually.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So it's one thing to have a parent negligent in
these situations. When a kid goes and shoots up a
school and just you know, their head's been in the
sand for a number of years and they've missed all
the signs. It's another to have a parent complicit and
actually buy the weapons with this in mind. And you
mentioned the mug shot and we would never ever ever
(05:49):
profile on this show. But when you see the mom
and she's got the purple hair and the face tattoos
and the multiple piercings, I mean, I don't think this
mom is winning Mother of the Year anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I don't know. I don't know if she's a natural purple.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Look, maybe it's Mabeline.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't know, Right, do they even have that color?
Like my wife shops for she shops for the hair dyes.
And it's all about the name, right if maybe if
it was a name like some summer lavender, maybe she
would go purple. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, silky Chiffon, I have no idea. Hey, so you're
there in Cowboy Country. You've got the the NFL meetings
in Minneapolis, and they're they're kind of going over some
of the rules for the upcoming NFL season on the
docket today as they're going to review the quote unquote
push push that the Philadelphia Eagles have made popular here
(06:49):
in the last few years, of course, reigning Super Bowl champs,
and you guys have the Eagles, and there's no love loss,
by the way, with the Cowboys and the Eagles, and
you guys have them. I think it season opener on
primetime Eagles Cowboys to open up the year. So any
thoughts on the Eagles and the tush push? Should that
be banned or is that not an issue for you?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
If the Cowboys were good at it, I'd say it's
ridiculous to ban it because it's them. Of course it
should beanned, of course. Okay, why is rules of rules?
I love me some rules the same thing as law. Right, Okay,
why isn't everybody good at the tush push? Right? You
can stop it, you can depend it because there's what
(07:34):
thirty one teams that can't do it as well as
the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Sorry, and for you, as a Cowboys fan to say
that gives you way more credibility than probably you deserve.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
But it's don't hate me because I'm beautiful, right.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's like, if I can do something well, then hey,
it's on you to get better at it too. I agree,
and the NFL has zero data that suggests the tush
push it causes more injuries in that pile up and
trying to prevent it. So, you know, these are the
big issues of the jeremy that you know I like
to focus on.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The top is, think.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
About this, Think about this. I'm go I'm gonna go
sort of different here on. If we've got about twenty seconds,
think about like this, the infield shift in Major League Baseball?
To me, why would you have to make a rule
that says the shortstop has to do there? I got
an idea, how about bunk it down the third base line?
How about that right? Hit it where they am? I mean,
(08:24):
why do we have to change the rules because you're
not good at this? I don't understand.
One of the big stories and a sad story.
Speaker 2 (00:02):
I don't get much into Hollywood news or celebrity news,
but George went passed away of course, Uh Norm from
Cheers seventy six years old. His family said he passed
in his sleep while at home. And I mean just
a great show. I mean, premiered September thirtieth, nineteen eighty two,
had actually had bad ratings the first season, and they
(00:23):
were actually thinking about pulling it, and they said, well,
let's give it another season, and then it caught on,
and then some eleven years later, the series finale pulled
in eighty million people to watch Cheers, and George went
and Norm on the Legacy Retirement Group dot com phone line,
he is our guy in Texas, Texas Defense Firm dot com.
Jeremy Rosenthal, you were a Cheers guy, weren't you.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Man? Love Cheers, Love Cheers in fact, man, George went like, Norm, Yeah,
that permeates our culture. When like a lawyer shows up
in court and everybody's like, it's like Norman, and you
make that reference like a twenty something, it shows you.
But yeah, it's permeating.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
They don't get it, and you're probably that guy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
They're probably like Jeremy, right, because you're probably in courtant
eight days a week.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's fun to see. It's fun to see opposing council
space when that happens, like, yeah, what's up, let's do this.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, it's probably bad when the when the judge does
it too right, the judges like, hey, buddy, you're you're
high five.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
In Yeah, he's like the judges like ted Dance and up.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
There exactly a couple of stories I wanted to pick
your brain at. Speaking with Texas defense attorney Jeremy Rosenthal
Texas Defense Firm dot Com The Wall Street Journal, Jeremy
is reporting that the Justice Department, the DOJ, is carrying
out a criminal investigation into United Healthcare. Of course, we've
been hearing about them with the whole Luigi Mangione situation.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
But the investigation into.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
United Health for possible Medicare fraud, what's the story? There?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
More bad news for those guys than they have had
a really bad couple of years in the middle of it.
In the middle of it was the Brian Thompson assassination.
People forget they had a massive cyber security breach that
early part of twenty twenty four, their stocks took a
big hit there. They've had all sorts of issues. They've
had one CEO after another, Brian Thompson in the middle
(02:18):
of that. They've recently changed again. And look, when you're
talking about Medicare and Medicaid broad anytime you're talking about
the federal government, you're talking about tax dollars. And I
don't care if it's TPP loans or Social Security or
Medicare or Medicaid, or if you're a contractor, like a
(02:38):
defense contractor. The federal government will drill to the center
of the planet to get their money, and if you're
in their way, you tend to be collateral damaged. This
is really bad news for United Healthcare.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
So what's going to happen?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I mean, their stock fell eight percent and after hours
trading following that report in the Wall Street Journal.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
How do you see this plane out?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
A lot of times you don't know what the federal
government is doing or thinking. They can investigate you and
not tell you, or they can send you a target
letter of some sort which sort of puts you on notice.
They don't legally, I mean it's department policies they're supposed to.
They don't necessarily have to. Not only that, they can
issue subpoenas and sometimes words sort of leaks out. But
(03:23):
this can go in a number of directions. You can
have individuals who could be liable for this typoed fraud
and they're looking at prison. You could have and you
could have the corporation that is that they get held
criminally liable and in those instances you get what's called RESCU,
you get clawback restitution. They try to take the money
back from you, or you're talking about tens or hundreds
(03:47):
of millions of dollars in fines, or even worse for
United Healthcare is they cut off Medicare and Medicaid programs
available to their customers going forward, which functionally put you
out of business. It can be pretty severe.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Jeremy Rosenthaw, Texas Defense Firm dot com. The other story
I wanted to get you on was the is this
is close to home for you in Texas and this
this it's kind of heartbreaking actually when you hear this.
A mother is charged with buying weapons for her son
so he could go shoot up in middle school and
the trade off was that he would babysit his little
(04:24):
brothers and sisters that this is messed up.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
This one doesn't make a lot of sense. Look not
not that, not that when we're talking law, not that
much of it makes sense anyhow. But if you think
about it, I mean healthcare fraud. Okay, we hear about
it all the time, and that that's simple. That's greed, right,
that's or sloppiness or whatever. Even some of these other
(04:48):
school shootings that we've had where you have you had
the Crumbly case in Michigan where the parents were looking
the other way, or the apple Atti floor of excuse me,
Georgia shooting again where you had a parent whose head
was in their rear end. This is different. This is
a mom who's actively encouraging it. If you've seen her mugshot,
(05:11):
I mean you hope that it's mom is the screw
loers here, and that the kid is not like a
junior ted Bundy. But grandma walks into the room and
junior's hitting a nail. He's hitting, excuse me, with a hammer,
a live round that's gonna end up very poorly for
you usually.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So it's one thing to have a parent negligent in
these situations. When a kid goes and shoots up a
school and just you know, their head's been in the
sand for a number of years and they've missed all
the signs. It's another to have a parent complicit and
actually buy the weapons with this in mind. And you
mentioned the mug shot and we would never ever ever
(05:49):
profile on this show. But when you see the mom
and she's got the purple hair and the face tattoos
and the multiple piercings, I mean, I don't think this
mom is winning Mother of the Year anytime soon.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I don't know. I don't know if she's a natural purple.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
Look, maybe it's Mabeline.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
I don't know, Right, do they even have that color?
Like my wife shops for she shops for the hair dyes.
And it's all about the name, right if maybe if
it was a name like some summer lavender, maybe she
would go purple. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Yeah, silky Chiffon, I have no idea. Hey, so you're
there in Cowboy Country. You've got the the NFL meetings
in Minneapolis, and they're they're kind of going over some
of the rules for the upcoming NFL season on the
docket today as they're going to review the quote unquote
push push that the Philadelphia Eagles have made popular here
(06:49):
in the last few years, of course, reigning Super Bowl champs,
and you guys have the Eagles, and there's no love loss,
by the way, with the Cowboys and the Eagles, and
you guys have them. I think it season opener on
primetime Eagles Cowboys to open up the year. So any
thoughts on the Eagles and the tush push? Should that
be banned or is that not an issue for you?
Speaker 3 (07:10):
If the Cowboys were good at it, I'd say it's
ridiculous to ban it because it's them. Of course it
should beanned, of course. Okay, why is rules of rules?
I love me some rules the same thing as law. Right, Okay,
why isn't everybody good at the tush push? Right? You
can stop it, you can depend it because there's what
(07:34):
thirty one teams that can't do it as well as
the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
Sorry, and for you, as a Cowboys fan to say
that gives you way more credibility than probably you deserve.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
But it's don't hate me because I'm beautiful, right.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
It's like, if I can do something well, then hey,
it's on you to get better at it too. I agree,
and the NFL has zero data that suggests the tush
push it causes more injuries in that pile up and
trying to prevent it. So, you know, these are the
big issues of the jeremy that you know I like
to focus on.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
The top is, think.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
About this, Think about this. I'm go I'm gonna go
sort of different here on. If we've got about twenty seconds,
think about like this, the infield shift in Major League Baseball?
To me, why would you have to make a rule
that says the shortstop has to do there? I got
an idea, how about bunk it down the third base line?
How about that right? Hit it where they am? I mean,
(08:24):
why do we have to change the rules because you're
not good at this? I don't understand.
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