May 14, 2025 • 9 mins
Attorney Jeremy Rosenthal says "no". Jeremy also discusses the Menendez brothers' case and if Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Let's jump over to the Legacy Retirement Group dot com
phone line and check in with our Dallas attorney, Jeremy Rosenthal. Jeremy,
are you ready for that? You stay up late tonight?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Are you a Are you a Cowboys guy or a
Texans guy?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Well, look, I'm a weekend spattered, battered spouse syndrome. Here
in Dallas, I'm a Cowboys fan. We're like citizens of
North Korea. Here we wait for the great One to
pass on to the next world and just pray that
his son is more wise and more merciful.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And that's what we have.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I mean, we can spend I mean, if you want to,
you know, lay on the therapy couch and and talk
about it for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm willing to listen. I'll send you a bill.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You know, but you're not you know, that's not not
anything strange to you.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We have a lot of sports.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We have a lot of sports PTSD in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Although when you trade Luka.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Doncic, the NBA fixes in and then you get the
number one pick that can happen.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The Cavs know about that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Indeed, indeed, I think you had about a two percent
chance of getting that first pick and hey, if you're.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
An NHL guy, I don't know if you are a
Dallas Stars. I think they won last night. So they're
sitting in the catbird seat there in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So that's right, we got it going on.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We're here to talk a couple of legal stories. The
big one this morning. Jeremy Rosenthal, Dallas, Texas attorney. The
Menendez brothers. They are now eligible for parole. They change
their sentence from life without parole to fifty years to life.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So your reaction when you heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's been a long journey for these men, and I
mean they've been in the news a lot over the
last year or so. We've learned so much more about
the lasting legacies and cycles of sexual abuse. And now
they may not get out of jail, they may not
get granted parole, and they may get granted parole in
(01:57):
five years or ten years. But they ANDed a lot
of mitigating evidence that showed that proved that they were
sex abuse survivors, if you will, now they committed penous,
heinous murders. One of the deputies who came and saw
the bodies and saw the crime scene said that the
(02:18):
father was essentially decapitated because because of the shotgun blasts
to his head. So these are very very penous crimes.
But rape chants that these men walk free this year
in twenty twenty five, that can happen.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's that's wild.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And you know, they've been model citizens according to every
report they have done. You know, created programs in prison
to help all their prisoners out, and you know, the
likelihood of them committing another crime or a violent crime
very very low. So the fact that they are sex
abuse victims, and that came out way later, it did
not come out in the eighties and the nineties when
(02:56):
they were on.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Trial, so that it doesn't justify what they did.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
But if that information and I'm just spitballing, if that
information was out there during the original trial, I guess
the thought is that the sentence might have been a
little bit lighter and they didn't have the without parole
part attached.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
To it, right, A couple of things going on here
with this.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So when I mean, look.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
These guys are going to do thirty five years in
the joint at least. And when you are a sex
abuse survivor of victim, however you want to call it, when.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You go through what they went through.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
A lot of juries are going to say, yeah, we'll
go ahead and call this even here. Okay, Now, there
was one of the things that functionally happened here was
a California passed the new law for probably ten or
fifteen years ago, which made it in most instances mandatory
for a youthful offender to be parole eligible. They didn't
(03:54):
fit into that category, and that's sort of what they
retrofitted here. They gave them a new sentencing and basically
the judge kind of sort of backtracked and tucked him
under this new provision. So part of it was a
change in California criminal justice, if you will.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
But there was a whole lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Political rankling over this. It was a big topic in
the Los Angeles District Attorney's race last year.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
This was a big political football.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Gavin Newsim has stuck his head in here and and
so we'll see kind of where it goes.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But you would think.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
That these guys are again, they may not make for
role their first time out. It may take several times.
Now it's up to a committee to decide this.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yay, right, there's there's your reward.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Right, A committee think about this, so, I mean it's
not a sure thing, but this was a good day
and then.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
For four for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Jeremy Rosenthal, Texas attorney. You can find him at Texas
Defense Firm dot com. By the way, I'm going to
put you on the spot something maybe you didn't know
it was coming. A little bit of a curveball here.
We had a story of it.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
We had a story here in co Columbus. Former Ohio
state wrestler. Guy's name is Kyle Schnyder. He is an
Olympic gold medal winner. Right is very I mean he's
won world champions he's championships, he's won NCAA championships as
a wrestler from Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's been a number of years.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I think he was in the twenty sixteen Olympics gold
medal there. He was just arrested on a in a
prostitution sting. He made the connection with an undercover officer.
They went up to the hotel room, they started the
negotiation process. That's when the uniformed officers came in and
busted him on the prostitution charge.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So my question is is is there a.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Fine line between a sting operation and entrapment.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
What is the difference there?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Okay, So first off, he's innocent for no other reason
than he went to Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This is a Penn State guy, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Or if he was a Michigan right guy, don't you guys,
that's he done right.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
If he was there, whatever, Lock him up, throw away.
The key who cares. The difference between entrapment and a
sting is that entrapment the government has to essentially bend
your fingers backwards to commit the crime. Giving somebody an
opportunity to commit a crime is different than bending their
(06:19):
fingers backwards. The law school example is you're walking by
a house and you see a ladder to a second
story window that is wide open. Is that entrapment? Or
am I just providing you the opportunity to go up
and burglarize the house?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's when the government comes in and say when you
have an agent who comes in and says, yeah, no,
we've got all these things on you, and if you
don't go and try to sell these drugs, we're going
to try to do this to you. And sometimes, believe
it or not, law enforcement can get way too cute
with these things, and that would be entrapment. So if
they pressured him to do this in some overt way
(06:58):
other than giving him the opportunity, then he could have that.
But I believe he is completely innocent.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Again for.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
American presume it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I mean, he's a gold medal winner. I mean, let's
give him a break, right, American.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Hero, right, and the world's oldest profession too, Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean I would imagine, though, I would imagine that
law enforcement has to have their eyes dotted and t's
crossed going into these quote unquote sting operations, so they
are by the book. So you know, I would assume
mister Snyder will have a fantastic defense attorney and make
sure that the police did nothing wrong in this situation.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What you see, and I'll tell you this is in
these cases in the twenty first century, you get a big,
long text chain, so you will definitely know what was
being talked about, okay, and the ideas being passed back
and forth. And sometimes sometimes you got to read them
through your fingers, or sometimes they made great first page copy,
(07:57):
depending on what there is. But yeah, you tend to
have a law enforcement gets a lot of training on
these things, and you tend to.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Have a really clear idea.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that perspective. Jeremy Rosenthal, Texas Defense
Firm dot com another another kind of wild card this morning.
Pete Rose hall of Fame, Yes or.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
No, Yeah, let's do it, you know, I mean, look,
thank you glad they waited till he was dead, right,
I mean that that's pretty meaningful for the guy.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Look, I mean, you've got all these performance enhancing drugs,
you've got all of these records that have been stolen,
and these people, you know, and I don't know that
there's a prohibition against Mark Maguire. Now that guy probably,
in my books, should never be a Hall of Famer,
right right, But but again, but Major Major League Baseball
(08:48):
never came out and said you couldn't Pete Rose. His
records are legitimate, and the hit total was legitimate. He's
a bonehead and he went to prison in his real
life for being a bonehead. And no, we can't have
gambling in sports. And look now now now sports uh
are partnering with these companies for for gambling.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So yeah, put him in. Put him in.
Let's jump over to the Legacy Retirement Group dot com
phone line and check in with our Dallas attorney, Jeremy Rosenthal. Jeremy,
are you ready for that? You stay up late tonight?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Are you a Are you a Cowboys guy or a
Texans guy?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Well, look, I'm a weekend spattered, battered spouse syndrome. Here
in Dallas, I'm a Cowboys fan. We're like citizens of
North Korea. Here we wait for the great One to
pass on to the next world and just pray that
his son is more wise and more merciful.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
And that's what we have.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
I mean, we can spend I mean, if you want to,
you know, lay on the therapy couch and and talk
about it for a while.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
I'm willing to listen. I'll send you a bill.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
You know, but you're not you know, that's not not
anything strange to you.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
We have a lot of sports.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
We have a lot of sports PTSD in Dallas.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Although when you trade Luka.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
Doncic, the NBA fixes in and then you get the
number one pick that can happen.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
The Cavs know about that.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Indeed, indeed, I think you had about a two percent
chance of getting that first pick and hey, if you're.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
An NHL guy, I don't know if you are a
Dallas Stars. I think they won last night. So they're
sitting in the catbird seat there in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
So that's right, we got it going on.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
We're here to talk a couple of legal stories. The
big one this morning. Jeremy Rosenthal, Dallas, Texas attorney. The
Menendez brothers. They are now eligible for parole. They change
their sentence from life without parole to fifty years to life.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
So your reaction when you heard that.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
It's been a long journey for these men, and I
mean they've been in the news a lot over the
last year or so. We've learned so much more about
the lasting legacies and cycles of sexual abuse. And now
they may not get out of jail, they may not
get granted parole, and they may get granted parole in
(01:57):
five years or ten years. But they ANDed a lot
of mitigating evidence that showed that proved that they were
sex abuse survivors, if you will, now they committed penous,
heinous murders. One of the deputies who came and saw
the bodies and saw the crime scene said that the
(02:18):
father was essentially decapitated because because of the shotgun blasts
to his head. So these are very very penous crimes.
But rape chants that these men walk free this year
in twenty twenty five, that can happen.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
That's that's wild.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
And you know, they've been model citizens according to every
report they have done. You know, created programs in prison
to help all their prisoners out, and you know, the
likelihood of them committing another crime or a violent crime
very very low. So the fact that they are sex
abuse victims, and that came out way later, it did
not come out in the eighties and the nineties when
(02:56):
they were on.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Trial, so that it doesn't justify what they did.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
But if that information and I'm just spitballing, if that
information was out there during the original trial, I guess
the thought is that the sentence might have been a
little bit lighter and they didn't have the without parole
part attached.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
To it, right, A couple of things going on here
with this.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
So when I mean, look.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
These guys are going to do thirty five years in
the joint at least. And when you are a sex
abuse survivor of victim, however you want to call it, when.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
You go through what they went through.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
A lot of juries are going to say, yeah, we'll
go ahead and call this even here. Okay, Now, there
was one of the things that functionally happened here was
a California passed the new law for probably ten or
fifteen years ago, which made it in most instances mandatory
for a youthful offender to be parole eligible. They didn't
(03:54):
fit into that category, and that's sort of what they
retrofitted here. They gave them a new sentencing and basically
the judge kind of sort of backtracked and tucked him
under this new provision. So part of it was a
change in California criminal justice, if you will.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
But there was a whole lot of.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Political rankling over this. It was a big topic in
the Los Angeles District Attorney's race last year.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
This was a big political football.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
Gavin Newsim has stuck his head in here and and
so we'll see kind of where it goes.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But you would think.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
That these guys are again, they may not make for
role their first time out. It may take several times.
Now it's up to a committee to decide this.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yay, right, there's there's your reward.
Speaker 4 (04:39):
Right, A committee think about this, so, I mean it's
not a sure thing, but this was a good day
and then.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
For four for sure.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Jeremy Rosenthal, Texas attorney. You can find him at Texas
Defense Firm dot com. By the way, I'm going to
put you on the spot something maybe you didn't know
it was coming. A little bit of a curveball here.
We had a story of it.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
We love it.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
We had a story here in co Columbus. Former Ohio
state wrestler. Guy's name is Kyle Schnyder. He is an
Olympic gold medal winner. Right is very I mean he's
won world champions he's championships, he's won NCAA championships as
a wrestler from Ohio State.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
It's been a number of years.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
I think he was in the twenty sixteen Olympics gold
medal there. He was just arrested on a in a
prostitution sting. He made the connection with an undercover officer.
They went up to the hotel room, they started the
negotiation process. That's when the uniformed officers came in and
busted him on the prostitution charge.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So my question is is is there a.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Fine line between a sting operation and entrapment.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
What is the difference there?
Speaker 4 (05:43):
Okay, So first off, he's innocent for no other reason
than he went to Ohio.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
This is a Penn State guy, okay.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
Or if he was a Michigan right guy, don't you guys,
that's he done right.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Right?
Speaker 4 (05:57):
If he was there, whatever, Lock him up, throw away.
The key who cares. The difference between entrapment and a
sting is that entrapment the government has to essentially bend
your fingers backwards to commit the crime. Giving somebody an
opportunity to commit a crime is different than bending their
(06:19):
fingers backwards. The law school example is you're walking by
a house and you see a ladder to a second
story window that is wide open. Is that entrapment? Or
am I just providing you the opportunity to go up
and burglarize the house?
Speaker 3 (06:33):
Right?
Speaker 4 (06:33):
It's when the government comes in and say when you
have an agent who comes in and says, yeah, no,
we've got all these things on you, and if you
don't go and try to sell these drugs, we're going
to try to do this to you. And sometimes, believe
it or not, law enforcement can get way too cute
with these things, and that would be entrapment. So if
they pressured him to do this in some overt way
(06:58):
other than giving him the opportunity, then he could have that.
But I believe he is completely innocent.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Again for.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
American presume it.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I mean, he's a gold medal winner. I mean, let's
give him a break, right, American.
Speaker 4 (07:12):
Hero, right, and the world's oldest profession too, Okay, right.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
I mean I would imagine, though, I would imagine that
law enforcement has to have their eyes dotted and t's
crossed going into these quote unquote sting operations, so they
are by the book. So you know, I would assume
mister Snyder will have a fantastic defense attorney and make
sure that the police did nothing wrong in this situation.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
What you see, and I'll tell you this is in
these cases in the twenty first century, you get a big,
long text chain, so you will definitely know what was
being talked about, okay, and the ideas being passed back
and forth. And sometimes sometimes you got to read them
through your fingers, or sometimes they made great first page copy,
(07:57):
depending on what there is. But yeah, you tend to
have a law enforcement gets a lot of training on
these things, and you tend to.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Have a really clear idea.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, no, I appreciate that perspective. Jeremy Rosenthal, Texas Defense
Firm dot com another another kind of wild card this morning.
Pete Rose hall of Fame, Yes or.
Speaker 5 (08:15):
No, Yeah, let's do it, you know, I mean, look,
thank you glad they waited till he was dead, right,
I mean that that's pretty meaningful for the guy.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Look, I mean, you've got all these performance enhancing drugs,
you've got all of these records that have been stolen,
and these people, you know, and I don't know that
there's a prohibition against Mark Maguire. Now that guy probably,
in my books, should never be a Hall of Famer,
right right, But but again, but Major Major League Baseball
(08:48):
never came out and said you couldn't Pete Rose. His
records are legitimate, and the hit total was legitimate. He's
a bonehead and he went to prison in his real
life for being a bonehead. And no, we can't have
gambling in sports. And look now now now sports uh
are partnering with these companies for for gambling.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
So yeah, put him in. Put him in.
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