June 3, 2025 • 9 mins
ABC's Mike Dobuski gives us the answer...The password manager HAD NO PASSWORD! Plus, a report on "Vibe Coding"
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's why I love Minor league baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Six games at home against the Toledo mud Hens starts tonight,
and it is dim a dog night at Huntington Park.
So and it's what a beautiful, perfect night to get
out and eat a couple of hot dogs and watch
some Clippers baseball.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Perfect weather for that triple A matchup between the Guardians
and the Tigers. That's it. Look at that, that's it.
You guys are kicking our tails.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You want to you want to put a buck on it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's always a great game. I don't know do I
owe you bucket all yet? The last I can't No.
I think you're We're good, We're square. Oh good, thank god.
But Diamond asked me how many diamond dogs I could eat.
I'm gonna go with. Don't ask me how many diamond
dogs could you eat? One? Just one? I don't think so.
I believe you could go deeper. I'm gonna go one. Now.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
One hot dog is good, just one last thing I
couldn't eat more. I'm saying, I'm choosing one.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I thought we were talking about capability.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
No, capability is more than that. Spend about fifty cents
and probably I was going to say, go to town
on five of them, I'd be sick for a week.
Bring bring a ambulance and five clear w's usel when
you need them.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Take fourteen of those and call me in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right yeah, one diamond dog, here's my dime, Give me
my dog. But a good night and a good a
good week. The mud hens are in town until Sunday,
so that that's gonna be a fun one tonight at
Huntington Park.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
In about an hour, we'll check in with Columbus's attorney,
Brad Koffel. And this string of police shootings in central
Ohio a little troublesome.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
There have been.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think three incidents in the last week of and
of course the one fatal in Moral County Sheriff's deputy.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
But we'll talk to Brad.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And get his thoughts on why that is happening and
what to do to prevent it. On the Legacy Retirement
Group dot com phone line, it is Tuesday, that means
Tech Tuesday. ABC News Tech reporter Mike Tubuski joining us. Mike,
good morning. I want to take a minute, and we
talked a little bit about this yesterday, this massive data
breach exposing one hundred and eighty four million passwords and logins,
(02:18):
and I'm reading the story and just scratching my head
because the database itself didn't have a password to it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, that is the real issue at the end of
the day is sort of some of these basic means
by which that you can get these passwords are are
susceptible to you know, people kind of not properly protecting
you know, the data that you know is behind them there.
It's being called a cyber criminal's dream, is what we've heard.
And it affects everything from you know, email accounts, to
(02:48):
social media information, logins and whatnot, to to bank account information,
financial issues. But yeah, all because this database at the
core of it was was not password protected.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Squay, do you think this is happening?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It feels like we hear these stories several times a month,
whether it's something at this level where it's a massive
breach one hundred and eighty four million account credentials have
been compromised, to a smaller, you know breach where it's
just a one off website or a one off retailer
has their you know website hack.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Why is this happening so often?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, oftentimes when you talk to cybersecurity professionals, they described
this sort of ongoing race right between the cybersecurity world
and the cyber criminal world, where the cybercriminal world will
make one great advancement in technology, whether it is supported
by artificial intelligence most recently or you know, the blockchain
or what have you. Right, whatever recent technological development they're
(03:43):
able to take advantage of and exploit, they will do so,
and then it takes some time, depending on the nature
of the advancement, for the cybersecurity world to catch up.
And it seems like we might be in that part
of the TikTok cycle right now where cybersecurity professionals are
trying to figure out the advancement that cyber criminals have
made and are you know, trying to you know, address
(04:05):
a solution to that. So well, it seems like we're
in that phase. I don't want to tie these various
breaches together necessarily because they could be from a variety
of different things. Certainly seems like this one was maybe
just carelessness or human error, but that, you know, is
something that goes on in the cybersecurity world where you know,
the professionals kind of just need to you know, keep
(04:28):
peace with the sort of bad actors of the world.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, everybody's trying to stay one step ahead of the
bad guy. The bad guys are trying to stay one
step ahead of the good guys. Mike Tbuski, ABC News
Technology reporter, And it seems like the easiest thing for
people to do that are listening that are concerned about
this is just to update your passwords, change your passwords frequently,
and don't use the same password for a number of
different accounts.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And two factor authentication as well, where you have your
sort of password log in information and then you get
a code sent to you through your phone or through
some other device. That's always a good cybersecurity sort of
you know, digital hygiene thing to do. And use a
password manager. Right, we have a lot of passwords out there.
It's best to kind of have, you know, some grip
(05:11):
on them. You know, the more passwords you have, the
probably the worst they're going to be, generally speaking, because
you have to kind of remember, you know, across a
variety of different accounts, and that means that you're probably
going to use the same one in multiple accounts, and
that's that's not good. That kind of leaves you more
exposed than you probably should be. Password manager kind of
is designed to guard against that. So these are some
(05:32):
strategies that the individual can do. But yeah, there's there
seems to be a larger, kind of more infrastructural problem
facing the cybersecurity world. We're just gonna have to wait
and see what happens in the next couple months and years.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Here, Mike, it would be just my luck that I
would forget my password to the password manager and I
would not be able to get into that.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So that is the risk you run, or the password
manager itself is breached, like it's it's just kind of
the snake that it eats its own stress.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I've got a three x five card tucked away at
home with all my passwords on it.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's my bassword manager. Keep it under the bad exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The other story, and this is kind of in the weeds.
You're the perfect person to break this down. When you
think about the world of computer coding. Now, I picture,
you know, somebody, some kid in the basement. We're at
a hoodie with the headphones on all you know, wired
in and working for twelve to fifteen hours straight and
coding some sort of computer program. But now with AI,
(06:24):
it's it's kind of a different world when it comes
to coding computer programs.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
What's the deal there, Yeah, Vibe coding is all the
rage right now in the coding world. And this is
a term that is used to describe using generative AI
services things like chat GPT, to essentially build the code
for a website or an app. And vibe coding is
a term that was coined by an AI researcher Andre
Caparthe earlier this year, and he describes it as when
(06:51):
you fully give into the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget
that the code even exists. In other words, he's not
writing out lines and lines of code and C plus
plus or Python. He's just asking generative AI services to
write the code for him, essentially, and it kind of
spits back lines of code that it says, we'll be
(07:14):
able to accomplish the task that he's asking for, you know,
building a website, building an app. To be clear, generative
AI has been used in coding for many years, basically
as a helper. I was talking to our IT professional
here at ABC recently and he was telling me that, hey,
I is actually pretty good at translating code from one
coding language into another. But ultimately he has to write
(07:35):
the code right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
He has to have some.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Level of proficiency. Vibe coding is something different. You don't
have to know how to code at all. I was
actually vibe coding last night on the front porch of
my apartment, you know, on my iPad. So there's like
a level of proficiency that you just don't need if
you're willing to give yourself over to the vibes. But
of course that does come with some trade offs.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Guys, what what were you creating when you were vibe coding?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So I went to this service known as replet, which
is a service that offers basically specific vibe coding technology.
It's generative AI, but it is specifically for coding. This
is not a generative AI service that should, you know,
plan a vacation for you or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I had this.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Idea where it would be cool if a technology, a
website could look at the videos on TikTok that you liked,
and if there's any recommendations for like restaurants or bookstores
or just any locations in your city, it can plot
those on a map for you. So you can see
kind of where they are in relation to each other.
I in New York, I'm walking around all the time,
(08:40):
and I'm like, hey, I need some lunch. I need,
you know, just to pop in here, and I kind
of want to know what's around me.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's been recommended. I thought that was kind of a
cool idea. I have to be honest with you, It
didn't totally work.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But I think a lot of that kind of had
to do with the security questions specifically around TikTok. TikTok
is very protective, at least in this particular instance of
the sort of data that it shares with services like replet,
So that was kind of a stumbling block here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Uh, And I used up the free trial trying to
figure that out. But probably nothing to do with the
operator era whatsoever. No, No, of course not no.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I was feeling the vibe clearing, alright.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I was vibing.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But you can imagine, like if I had a sort
of simpler plan here that that you know, this would
actually be pretty easy to put together. We got pretty far.
I will say I was kind of surprised by how,
you know, deep into the coding process we were able
to get without me having any prior knowledge of coding,
really at all,
That's why I love Minor league baseball.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Six games at home against the Toledo mud Hens starts tonight,
and it is dim a dog night at Huntington Park.
So and it's what a beautiful, perfect night to get
out and eat a couple of hot dogs and watch
some Clippers baseball.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Perfect weather for that triple A matchup between the Guardians
and the Tigers. That's it. Look at that, that's it.
You guys are kicking our tails.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
You want to you want to put a buck on it.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
It's always a great game. I don't know do I
owe you bucket all yet? The last I can't No.
I think you're We're good, We're square. Oh good, thank god.
But Diamond asked me how many diamond dogs I could eat.
I'm gonna go with. Don't ask me how many diamond
dogs could you eat? One? Just one? I don't think so.
I believe you could go deeper. I'm gonna go one. Now.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
One hot dog is good, just one last thing I
couldn't eat more. I'm saying, I'm choosing one.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I thought we were talking about capability.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
No, capability is more than that. Spend about fifty cents
and probably I was going to say, go to town
on five of them, I'd be sick for a week.
Bring bring a ambulance and five clear w's usel when
you need them.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Take fourteen of those and call me in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Right yeah, one diamond dog, here's my dime, Give me
my dog. But a good night and a good a
good week. The mud hens are in town until Sunday,
so that that's gonna be a fun one tonight at
Huntington Park.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Don't forget.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
In about an hour, we'll check in with Columbus's attorney,
Brad Koffel. And this string of police shootings in central
Ohio a little troublesome.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
There have been.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
I think three incidents in the last week of and
of course the one fatal in Moral County Sheriff's deputy.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
But we'll talk to Brad.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And get his thoughts on why that is happening and
what to do to prevent it. On the Legacy Retirement
Group dot com phone line, it is Tuesday, that means
Tech Tuesday. ABC News Tech reporter Mike Tubuski joining us. Mike,
good morning. I want to take a minute, and we
talked a little bit about this yesterday, this massive data
breach exposing one hundred and eighty four million passwords and logins,
(02:18):
and I'm reading the story and just scratching my head
because the database itself didn't have a password to it.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Yeah, that is the real issue at the end of
the day is sort of some of these basic means
by which that you can get these passwords are are
susceptible to you know, people kind of not properly protecting
you know, the data that you know is behind them there.
It's being called a cyber criminal's dream, is what we've heard.
And it affects everything from you know, email accounts, to
(02:48):
social media information, logins and whatnot, to to bank account information,
financial issues. But yeah, all because this database at the
core of it was was not password protected.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Squay, do you think this is happening?
Speaker 2 (03:01):
It feels like we hear these stories several times a month,
whether it's something at this level where it's a massive
breach one hundred and eighty four million account credentials have
been compromised, to a smaller, you know breach where it's
just a one off website or a one off retailer
has their you know website hack.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Why is this happening so often?
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Yeah, oftentimes when you talk to cybersecurity professionals, they described
this sort of ongoing race right between the cybersecurity world
and the cyber criminal world, where the cybercriminal world will
make one great advancement in technology, whether it is supported
by artificial intelligence most recently or you know, the blockchain
or what have you. Right, whatever recent technological development they're
(03:43):
able to take advantage of and exploit, they will do so,
and then it takes some time, depending on the nature
of the advancement, for the cybersecurity world to catch up.
And it seems like we might be in that part
of the TikTok cycle right now where cybersecurity professionals are
trying to figure out the advancement that cyber criminals have
made and are you know, trying to you know, address
(04:05):
a solution to that. So well, it seems like we're
in that phase. I don't want to tie these various
breaches together necessarily because they could be from a variety
of different things. Certainly seems like this one was maybe
just carelessness or human error, but that, you know, is
something that goes on in the cybersecurity world where you know,
the professionals kind of just need to you know, keep
(04:28):
peace with the sort of bad actors of the world.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
Yeah, everybody's trying to stay one step ahead of the
bad guy. The bad guys are trying to stay one
step ahead of the good guys. Mike Tbuski, ABC News
Technology reporter, And it seems like the easiest thing for
people to do that are listening that are concerned about
this is just to update your passwords, change your passwords frequently,
and don't use the same password for a number of
different accounts.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
And two factor authentication as well, where you have your
sort of password log in information and then you get
a code sent to you through your phone or through
some other device. That's always a good cybersecurity sort of
you know, digital hygiene thing to do. And use a
password manager. Right, we have a lot of passwords out there.
It's best to kind of have, you know, some grip
(05:11):
on them. You know, the more passwords you have, the
probably the worst they're going to be, generally speaking, because
you have to kind of remember, you know, across a
variety of different accounts, and that means that you're probably
going to use the same one in multiple accounts, and
that's that's not good. That kind of leaves you more
exposed than you probably should be. Password manager kind of
is designed to guard against that. So these are some
(05:32):
strategies that the individual can do. But yeah, there's there
seems to be a larger, kind of more infrastructural problem
facing the cybersecurity world. We're just gonna have to wait
and see what happens in the next couple months and years.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Here, Mike, it would be just my luck that I
would forget my password to the password manager and I
would not be able to get into that.
Speaker 3 (05:48):
So that is the risk you run, or the password
manager itself is breached, like it's it's just kind of
the snake that it eats its own stress.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I've got a three x five card tucked away at
home with all my passwords on it.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
That's my bassword manager. Keep it under the bad exactly.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
The other story, and this is kind of in the weeds.
You're the perfect person to break this down. When you
think about the world of computer coding. Now, I picture,
you know, somebody, some kid in the basement. We're at
a hoodie with the headphones on all you know, wired
in and working for twelve to fifteen hours straight and
coding some sort of computer program. But now with AI,
(06:24):
it's it's kind of a different world when it comes
to coding computer programs.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
What's the deal there, Yeah, Vibe coding is all the
rage right now in the coding world. And this is
a term that is used to describe using generative AI
services things like chat GPT, to essentially build the code
for a website or an app. And vibe coding is
a term that was coined by an AI researcher Andre
Caparthe earlier this year, and he describes it as when
(06:51):
you fully give into the vibes, embrace exponentials, and forget
that the code even exists. In other words, he's not
writing out lines and lines of code and C plus
plus or Python. He's just asking generative AI services to
write the code for him, essentially, and it kind of
spits back lines of code that it says, we'll be
(07:14):
able to accomplish the task that he's asking for, you know,
building a website, building an app. To be clear, generative
AI has been used in coding for many years, basically
as a helper. I was talking to our IT professional
here at ABC recently and he was telling me that, hey,
I is actually pretty good at translating code from one
coding language into another. But ultimately he has to write
(07:35):
the code right.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
He has to have some.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Level of proficiency. Vibe coding is something different. You don't
have to know how to code at all. I was
actually vibe coding last night on the front porch of
my apartment, you know, on my iPad. So there's like
a level of proficiency that you just don't need if
you're willing to give yourself over to the vibes. But
of course that does come with some trade offs.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Guys, what what were you creating when you were vibe coding?
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Mike?
Speaker 3 (08:01):
So I went to this service known as replet, which
is a service that offers basically specific vibe coding technology.
It's generative AI, but it is specifically for coding. This
is not a generative AI service that should, you know,
plan a vacation for you or something like that.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I had this.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
Idea where it would be cool if a technology, a
website could look at the videos on TikTok that you liked,
and if there's any recommendations for like restaurants or bookstores
or just any locations in your city, it can plot
those on a map for you. So you can see
kind of where they are in relation to each other.
I in New York, I'm walking around all the time,
(08:40):
and I'm like, hey, I need some lunch. I need,
you know, just to pop in here, and I kind
of want to know what's around me.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
That's been recommended. I thought that was kind of a
cool idea. I have to be honest with you, It
didn't totally work.
Speaker 3 (08:50):
But I think a lot of that kind of had
to do with the security questions specifically around TikTok. TikTok
is very protective, at least in this particular instance of
the sort of data that it shares with services like replet,
So that was kind of a stumbling block here.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
Uh, And I used up the free trial trying to
figure that out. But probably nothing to do with the
operator era whatsoever. No, No, of course not no.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I was feeling the vibe clearing, alright.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I was vibing.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
But you can imagine, like if I had a sort
of simpler plan here that that you know, this would
actually be pretty easy to put together. We got pretty far.
I will say I was kind of surprised by how,
you know, deep into the coding process we were able
to get without me having any prior knowledge of coding,
really at all,
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