June 6, 2025 • 39 mins
Brad and special guest, Mike "Campy" Campana discuss how "We the People" are caught in the middle of this war between Trump and Elon Musk, How do we decide? By being informed
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Talk about going postal. Let's see how many retweets Elon
gets before the Secret Service knocks General out today. Special
guest stepping in, mister Campagna Campy, thanks for stepping in here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's a pleasure to be here. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
You've been producing the show for us for a long
time and you're always behind the glass. Nice for you
to come in and fill in for the General. You know,
can't be the billionaire bromance? Did it go bust? Is
their mending of defences? You know, it's like here we
are right in the middle of Pride Month. That's over,
just like that. I what's your take? What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think we you have are two intelligent human beings
with very large egos. The way I see it is
that you know, Elon was brought in and say what
you will, whichever line you are on. That he was
in to help with wasteful spending. So he went in
with dough. Now this guy is the richest man in
the world, right, so he comes in cuts some wasteful
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spending in different areas. Now they're obviously was blowback on that.
But one of the things that he is in charge of,
obviously he owns Tesla.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So is this budget bill, the Big Beautiful Bill that
everyone is talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There's a you know, there's a part of.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That bill that has cuts to evs, and there's a
lot of people that drive EV's, but there's a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That don't like him. I'm a gas powered guy.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I got a four bronco myself, I myself would not
buy an EV. However, it getting cut in that bill.
You could see the you could see.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The anger coming from Musk and ever.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Since that point he has turned and he has an
extraordinary huge social media posting.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I mean, you're talking about two powerful.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Men on social media and in the world alone, so
you have kind of two guys duking it out.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
My problem is it's it's immature.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I mean, yeah, I hear you mentioned the EV credit
that's going to get stripped out from the Big Beautiful Bill.
And later on the show, towards the end of the show,
I did go through the Big Beautiful Bill. I did
get the assistance of AI to help me go through it.
But I do want to go through that because everyone
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talks about well, they don't even read it and they
don't know what's in it. They're voting on it. There's
not enough time to read it and review it before
you vote on it. But back to this, this fissure,
and as of our recording here on Friday, June sixth,
you got to we have to remember Trump got elected
not because of Elon Musk. It was because of the
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common sense and the we the People and we the
people have we the people whoever if you consider yourself
to be part of the We the People crowd, the
we the People crowd got behind Donald Trump the day
he came down the Golden escalator. He picked up more
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followers throughout his presidential his first term. I was one
of them. For the listeners that have been listening to
the show for a long time, my voting record, I
put it out there. My first federal election was an
eighty eight. You know, I'm a Reagan Para parau w
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w Obama Obama sixteen. I had to vote for Clinton.
I just didn't know enough about Donald. I thought Donald
Trump just like this is this guy just can't get
in and this is that's just a bridge too far.
Rather have Hillary Clinton than to Donald Trump. I was wrong.
I admit that I was wrong. You're looking at me like, no,
Brad you you weren't wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, it's not that you were wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There's still some debate about whether or not Trump does
know what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It depends on how I agree. I agree we're the we,
But the we, the people that's had a revival, it's
had a resurrection of in the last decade. That we
the people got behind Donald Trump. It left the GOP.
I left the GOP in two thousand and six. Over
foreign policy. I saw the whole neo conservative movement for
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what it was. It seemed like a capitalist cash grab
for military defense contractors. We are not in the business
of nation building. Nation building isn't going to work on
every continent and in countries that are basically religious dynasties
that go back millennium. But we the people got behind
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Donald Trump in sixteen twenty twenty four, and they are
going to remain united behind Donald Trump. The Democrats clamoring
that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, that is authoritarian,
that he's a dictator, that he's hitler can't be under
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every other political system in the recorded and unrecorded history
of the world, talk like this, that being Elon musk
tweets would have gotten you hung drawn quartered poisoned, maybe
your entire family. You know, I don't consider what Elon
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is doing to be Mahatma Gandhi. He's not Rosa Parks.
He's not doctor Martin Luther King Junior. He's not Nelson Mandela.
I think he's closer to Edward Snowden. He may get
exiled like Edward Snowden, maybe out of the country, maybe not.
You know, who knows what the guy is gonna do?
Or is he more like Alexi Navalny who questioned Putin
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and Russia. That's a good question, right, So Navalney poisoned
in twenty died under suspicious circumstances last year. So here
we have a as a as a historian, as a
political does commentator, degree in political science, whatever that was,
I now understand. I now understand why they had a
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degree in political science in the eighties and seventies and nineties,
because where does power come from? That's political power, political power.
Where does power come from? It can come from force,
it can come from money. But political power is what
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we're about to see with Donald Trump unleash on Elon Musk,
who has the money, power and the universes that they're
each playing in. You've got Elon kind of iron iron Man,
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kind of a Tony Stark figure.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh without questions.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, and I got Donald Trump as kind of that
Captain America and you have Elon slash iron Man. His
galaxy is or universe is Twitter X. Trump's universe is
truth Social. Trump's now the political power that Donald Trump
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has is hobbled by the fact that he's he is
in truth social doing all of his tweets. He's relying
on his followers to read, to screenshot and retweet on
Twitter X. It'll be curious to see what Elon does
with X relative to comments in favor of Trump. It's
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really going to be interesting to see.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, that's gonna be That's gonna be the issue, Brad,
because I would also argue that when you have as
much money as Elon Musk does, it can translate to
a sort of political influence. And so the question you're
asking that we're all asking right now is does Elon
Musk's jilted girlfriend type of grudge that he has going
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on right now can that influence and other Republicans who
have done business with him.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
He's providing cover for you make put.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The budget bill in doubt because of what he's saying
that that's a real there's a touch world going on.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Right for sure? Can't be. And if you're just joining us,
that's not the General that is can't he is our
producer also stepping in and sitting in for the General
this morning or today you start to now go, well,
hold on, where did Elon's black eye really come from? Right?
I mean, you know we're gonna hear more about the
black Eye. But Tony Stark, iron Man, Steve Rogers, Captain America,
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Donald Trump. If you look at if you look at
the Tony Stark character, the iron Man character, iron Man
had a substance abuse problem, yeah right yeah, uh and
uh he he became. If you're I'm a Marvel guy,
loved iron Man, love Captain America. But I'm but if
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you if you watch the unfolding of what's going to
happen here, it does seem like iron Man got drunk
or hit too much ketamine and amphetamines at a MAGA
rally and started throwing punches at Captain America. Is Elon
Musk going to be more like Captain America's Winter Soldier?
That's okay?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now you want to see that. Get out of the box.
It's a serious Pandora's boxer, right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So you know Bucky was great Steve Rogers World War
Two buddy, Yeah, and then something that happened to Bucky
and he became Winter Soldier and he ran up fighting
Captain America.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So the question is can you bring him back from that?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Coding you a good guy, you will, Elon will be back.
Welcome back for the defense of the American people. With
Attorney Brad Kopfel, the General's out today, Campy is stepping in.
We have we have Iron Man versus Captain America. We
have potentially Elon Musk turning into Winter Soldier, who was
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Captain's World War two fighting partner. Something happened to him,
gets brainwashed, gets hit with some sort of super soldier serum,
and Bucky becomes Winter Soldier and a nemesis to Captain America.
Where is Elon going on? This? Should we even be
talking about it at this much? I think we should
because the power struggle that you're seeing. Power comes in
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different forms. You've got political power, and which is the
number one force in the United States, number one force
in the West. But political power can be captured by
moneyed interest, financial wealthy money power. So Elon is here
because he's the world's richest man. Yes he is a futurist,
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Yes he is. He is Tony Stark. But America didn't
those who voted for Donald Trump in twenty twenty four,
those of the We the People, the MAGA movement didn't
vote for Elon Musk and Elon to come out like
he's some sort of whistle blower, he's misreading the room completely.
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He is providing cover for some key Republican senators who
do not like this big, audacious bill. He is providing
political cover for them. But he's not a whistle blower.
He's a guy with too many followers and not enough chill.
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And the power that he has on X reduces the
rest of us that we the people, that we're all
just yelling into the void, and the Democrats are now
all of a sudden back to loving Elon while the
rest of us are trying to figure out do we
have to pick a side? If you're a Republican, do
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you have to pick aside? And art is Elon Wright?
Is there something here that we need to know that
he totally earned on Donald Trump? So fast.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, Brad, that's part of the argument is that we
should be what we should be as a people is
informed so that you shouldn't have to pick a side
and just say, oh, yeah, he's back to the Elon's
back to our side of the fence, or he's a
trader to the president. That's not how it should work.
But here we are watching these two go back and
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forth on this. So the question is, as you mentioned,
that's the real gosh, that's the real hard part about
this is that is it going to come down who
has the most influence or that was the best information on.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What we need.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
That's political power. The fact that the American people who
are glued to the political process, like myself, the students
of it. This is my sports. This is my college football,
although I love college football. This is my NHL Stanley Cup,
which I.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Love as well.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, this is the stuff I live for and I
have for forty years. The fact that I will most
likely never forget where I was when one of my
text threads blew up. That's my coffee group I get
together with every morning. When that text thread blew up
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on Elon dropping Trump into the Epstein files, no one
saw that coming. You could hear you see the black
eye in Elon. You hear that. Maybe he got into
a little push and shove with Scott Bessen weeks ago.
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It was a public flare up with Peter Navarro. Then
you had prior to that, almost immediately the next Ohio Governor,
Vivek Ramaswami, he left doge unceremoniously. He kept his mouth shut.
Political he's a political ninja. Elon is not a political ninja.
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I don't know how much of this is Elon with
emotional deficits coupled with substance use slash abuse.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, it's interesting when you're pretty much a genius. I
think we can all agree on that he's a very
smart man. But some of the smartest men we've seen
in human history have had issues.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Albert Einstein, beautiful mind.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Albert Einstein would have been diagnosed as autistic right now,
and he was a genius. But regarding real quick going
back to the Epstein files, there's probably a good chance
he's in it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But that's old news.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Well yeah, but what I'm saying is people need to
stop thinking about it in a bad The guy knew
so many people. Trump could have just been on his
boat like twenty years ago and have no idea what
you know, any connection to what Epstein was.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Really the fact there's two things there can't be. Thanks
for taking us back there, because these are two very
important facts that I look at. Fact number one is
Donald Trump's followers don't care if he's on the Epstein list.
They don't care, probably not, they just don't care. And
number two, the fact that Elon Musk just several days
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ago was given a key to the White House and
within a matter of hours, dozens of hours, is dropping
a defamatory statement like this tells me there's so much
more at the federal level that the people are just
disconnected from even those of us that spend a ridiculous
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amount of time reading, writing, thinking, discussing, and you still
miss this. That to me is scary, And that to
me also means we must get the political power under control,
because this machine apparatus is supposed to work for us
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and all of us, and as you said earlier, can't be.
It doesn't work if we the people are not properly informed.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And that's correct, And sometimes you wonder the hardest part
for anyone, and I think you know being in a
news organization and this being something that you're very passionate
about and being well informed, you're able to clear out
the clutter. But the general, the general audiences, there are
a lot of them. You see them with the maga
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hats and they're dressed up and stuff. I consider them
to be a little too fanatical. And I'm and I
should say this on either side.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I love the fact we got on the show today.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Keep going either side of these.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Tell Tell the listeners who are not familiar with you,
can't be your well known personality here in Columbus. Tell
the listeners, especially the folks who are not in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I'm independent.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I am independent with a modern view in certain circumstances
and a little more conservative in others. So I try
to see both side to the fence to come to what.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Needs to be Huja vote four and twenty four.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I voted for Kamala harrit Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Just so everyone understands to your point, and I agree
with you. I think you're the point that you were
making is that the American the people need information to
make informed decisions. The average person, whether they are a
you know, we love the whole world far left or
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the American conservatives, libertarians, MAGA to the far right. We
can all agree on one thing. This system doesn't work
if the American people don't know how it's supposed to work.
Because if you don't know how it's supposed to work
and it's broken, you'll never know, right.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
You just lean on whoever you think has the strongest voice,
and sometimes that could be the one leanding you in
the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
How many people have actually took the time taken the
time rather to go on the government website find the
one big beautiful Bill, Act HR one gone in there,
downloaded it, read it, asked AI to help you synthesize
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it whatever, instead of just the sound bites that it's
tax cuts for billionaires and it's no taxes on overtime. Right,
it's so much more than that. The bill passed the
House by one vote, yes, one vote, And nothing says
physical responsibility like a piggy bank that you keep voting
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to continue to expand. And then when you tell your
kids you're spending too much money, yet you go out
and you get the more credit cards and you raise
their limits on their credit cards. At the end of
the day, guys, that's what we needed to be talking
about is the money, the money, the money. And after
the break we're going to talk about we are gonna
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talk about about this House bill and what and some
forecasting what might be happening in the future. It moves
so fast, it's Trump time, all right. We're on Boy
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with you and talk about what you've been doing, maybe
on your computer, maybe what you've been doing in the
back room there with the company checking account. Maybe you
had too much to drink and we're driving home. Maybe
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your son gets brought up on some sort of accusations
that what he did with the young lady she decided
was non consensual. Whatever the issue may be, alcohol, drug, sex,
and greed. Those are the four four to land a
criminal defense lawyer's office. And you know what also can't
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be This is the anniversary show. I started the show
June fourth, twenty seventeen, and this is recording June sixth,
twenty twenty five. Eight year birthday today for the show.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Congratulations, yeah, thank you. It means I've been with you, gosh,
I have I been with you for eight years?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Must so yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So here are Democrats now they're all confused. They're like,
Froggy Froger, is that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
The Roderby's dodging traffic right now?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So now they got to pick a lane because now
all of a sudden they got to go back to
loving elon. This is all distraction. We have to stay
focused on the signal. The signal here is we the people,
and what is in the best interest of the American people.
What is in the best interest of main Street USA.
Not what is in the best interest of the oligarchs,
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Not what's in the best interest of the East Coast elite,
not what's in the best interest of the West Coast environmentalist.
It is what is in the best interest of main
Street USA at the end of the day. The people
that pick up your garbage, the men and women the
Patroyer streets, the men and women that educate your children,
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the men and women who provide critical medical support to
your parents, your family members, The people that you come
in contact with on a daily basis that are providing
services and goods products at a local level must be protected.
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I had earlier this week, Campy had. A gentleman was
referred to me. It's from Venezuela to detail our cars.
He came over on day one, did an unbelievably great job.
I talked to him and it turned out he is
university educated. He was an insurance industry in Venezuela four
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years ago, had to leave and he brought his son
and wife here and he has started his own small business.
He hardly speaks any English. His little boy, who goes
to one of our suburban schools, is his translator. Give
me more people like them all day long. Yeah, right,
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he's out there. He's bought his own equipment. He's doing
the car wash, vacuum, the detail on your driveway, out
on the parking lot, at your office, wherever you want
it to be. But he's got a son there and
he's working, and his son sees his father, and then
he sees me and my kids. I can't help, but
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as a as a as a human being, I want
to do what I can do to help this family.
That's politics at a lot local level. My concern it can't
be is that FDR New Deal lbj's Great Society and
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everything since the Since then, we have outsourced our moral
obligations to the nation state. We've outsourced our ethics to
the nation state. It's we are abdicating our role as
people to take care of other people, and we are
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looking at the nation state to do it for us.
As a result, no one says no when you need
to say no. You have to say no to continuing
to spend outrageous amounts. You must say no to raising
the debt limit. You must say no. And politically it's unpopular.
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The we the people can handle higher prices. We can
handle not having a seventy five inch flat screen in
every room in the house. There's so much hot air
that can be left let out of our economy without
compromising critical vital government functions like protecting us from foreign adversaries,
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protecting us from each other, making sure that the elderly,
the sick, the disabled, and the youth are fed, educated,
taken care of. We're all we can all agree on
this stuff. This big bill is just this news cycles discussion.
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We need to have even a bigger, bigger conversation, and
who is representing us elon it probably feels like, Look,
I bought you the White House, and I didn't buy
you the White House for Congress to write blank checks.
I think Elon feels that way, that he's entire to
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something out of Donald Trump in the executive branch. And
I'm on record on this show, I've always said the
jury is out with me and Elon. I just don't
like having a billionaire. I don't like having the world's
richest man that close to one branch of government.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I was uncomfortable with it from day one.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I just don't like it. And I don't like the
fact that this private citizen stepped out and within a
matter of hours rattled off tweets or x's or message
whatever he calls them, and some kind of effort to
undermine Donald Trump and what he's trying to do. This
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is politics, it's not business. And if the American people
need to know exactly why is there this split? Is
there something legitimate about Elon? Elon? Look, you can't just
dismiss him. I'm not going to tell Elon, you know
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on behalf of our listeners stick to rockets, not revolutions.
We have to hear. I would like to hear what
he has to say.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, you know what they say is every you have
a side. You have two sides to each story, and
somewhere in the middle is the truth. And what we'd
like to get to is the middle of this.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I would like to know is Musk acting like he's
the people's champion? It is who is our captain America?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Are you looking for, my honest opinion.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Captain America? Or is Donald Trump Captain America?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, right now I can tell you that Elon Musk,
and this is just my personal opinion right now, is
that he is. The reason he became the richest man
in the world is because of what he did with businesses,
and part of that is looking out for your own
self interest. So there's an entitlement issue here that he
did he put a lot of my in a Trump's election. Yes,
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that's a fact. But he also didn't see this coming,
or so he says, didn't see this coming in the
bill about the EV's. So I think what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I don't think it's the EV's. I just got I know,
I respect your opinion. I disagree that it's about the
EV credits.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Go ahead, Well, I mean, I guess what I'm saying
is is that? Where was I going with that? My
train of thought got thrown.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Out right, Well, Elon, is he captain America?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Is he representing That's what I was going to do.
He's he's looking on for his own self.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
In my opinion, he's he's ticked off because it did
affect his business.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is for sure. Maybe that's why he's ticked off.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's not you're saying in the budget bill and the
EV's I think that's exactly what it is. He's upset
because if you look at his look at the look
at his his stock just went down fourteen percent. That's
one hundred and twenty billion dollars at least, I mean
at least and rising probably.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So yeah, he's really ticked off.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
But when he's what I hear him say is we're
not a country, We're a credit card with a flag.
That's basically what I might take away with Elon as
a host of an AM talk show radio show where
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our whole focus is getting rid of the noise, figuring
out what the signal is. Political power comes from here
in our country, consent of the governed, not force, not money.
Right now, musks money and Trump's political power are duking
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it out, and we the people are caught in the crossfire.
Whoever has the ability to influence or control the behavior
of institutions, and then the people they that person or
that group will have the political power. The consent of
the governed is the political power and has to come
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from the consent of the people. But we need to
know what is going on and I otherwise we're lost
here in this crossfire. At least, when you live in
a dictatorship authoritarian regime, you know that it's force and coercion,
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there's nothing to do but survive. When it's legitimacy and authority,
and we are supposed to accept a ruler or a
system as legitimate, we need rational actors, and right now
I'm not sure either one of these guys is acting
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as rational actors.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh, neither one of them a rational level ring.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We might be better with a monarchy at this point,
We might be better just with a king. That way,
we don't have to spend all this time stewing about it.
And before we jump into the weekend, one more segment
here for the Defense of the American people signals is this.
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We cannot balance the budget on the backs of workers.
We must leave Medicare and Medicaid alone. Definitely, Medicare Medicaid
can be tweaked. Got to leave social security alone. The
country escaped catastrophe with Joe Biden's term, the auto pen,
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Kamala Harris potentially being elected, with all due respect to
you can't be and those who voted for Kamala Harris,
and no worries. I don't think too many listening to
the show. The Biden cover ups should be the biggest
political scandal of our republic, the cover up that goes
back to his vice presidency. Boy, the Bidens are lucky
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in this right now and at this point, even the
crime scene in progress that is the imperial city that
is DC and all its little ligaments and tendons, it
is likely that Democrats will win the House next year.
The Republican Party cannot have a civil war. Trump and
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Elon must mend this immediately or Trump and his team
basically are just going to need to agree. Don't take
the bait, don't even don't he's exiled, he's politically exiled.
Don't even comment on him. Leave him alone. But we
cannot have a civil war either. These two men fences
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over the weekend or uh the President is going to
have to politically exile Elon Musk. The Republican Party cannot
have a civil war, even with again, even with the
mess of the of the Biden administration, the cover ups there,
the complicity of the of the media, Jake Tapper's scorched
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Earth book, all this stuff, and even all the great
things that are happening in America on the economic front,
it's still likely that the Democrats will win the House
next year in the moment they do. Here come the
impeachment proceedings. Not one, not two, there are three.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
There will be multiple, which I think will be an
extraordinary waste to the people's tax payer money.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Look, we have impeachment.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's called an election every.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Four years exactly.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
And if you keep doing this, the only thing that
doesn't get done is what we need to get done.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Which is why we put you in the office in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Here's the deal. We need to get rid of impeachments
and we need to get rid of the pardon. We
need to get rid of both of those. When a
when a federal criminal actor can spend enough money to
get a presidential pardon, or better yet, you get the
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president's family members tied in on your criminal conspiracy of
pocketing millions, kickbacks, bribes, pay to play, and if you
can loop in the president and you know, you're probably
going to get some pardons that need the pardon needs
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to go way. We have to take the impeachment weapon
away from Congress. We have a democracy set up that
the people that control the purse strings, the congressmen and women,
they have to run their come up for They have
to run for their job every twenty four months. The
person in the oval has to run every forty eight months.
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We don't need impeachment. Maybe keep it for federal judges,
but after that, other than that, we have the criminal
court system and we have the electoral process. But as
long as we have impeachment, we have to deal with
the fact that as soon as it Democrats, if they
take the House, they're going to absolutely throw sand in
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the gearbox of the American the economy, our foreign policy,
it's going to it could certainly open us up to
an attack literally an attack not necessarily our home land,
but on a key ally what happens when what happens
when Iran drops some big stuff on Israel? I mean
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they've tried. What happens when China moves on Taiwan? What
happens when Russia go ahead and figure and takes the
rest of you of Ukraine? And we're going to be
in a pissing match in twenty six because of an
impeachment process. We just can't go there. How do you
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keep that from happening? The Republicans need to keep the House,
they barely have it, and to have a civil war
in the Republican party right now is the last thing
to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, the clock's ticking on this civil war, there's no
question about that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You go any longer and you are going to see
a blue wr right.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
There is no reason at all if you're literally talking
about who the trustees are going to be for the
family business, the trustees who are going to monitor let's
just say the let's just say the American people are
one big, happy family, and we have four hundred and
thirty five trustees that are on our board. Yeah, and
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there's a chairman of the board that being the president.
If we found out that the chairman of the board,
who has to sign off on everything, did not have
his wits about him, had an auto pen with signing
things that make no sense to us, opening up the border,
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killing the the econ the energy independence of the country,
the billions and billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine,
and whatever else. When the family learns that the chairman
of the board has been has been signing off on
decisions that are one adverse to the interest of the family,
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you replaced that person. You don't bring in another chairman
from the same team. When you have the other trustees
in Congress, the senators that have been there for decades,
and we're finding out through Doge all the fraud, waste
and abuse, you would go look no more. If you
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were there prior to twenty twenty, we don't want to
see your name on the ballot again. You're done.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I think my only I'm going to differ with you
a little bit regarding the impeachment and pardons.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Just like everything else, you have to have a balance.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Impeachment is there as a safeguard if they don't.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
If is it a safeguard that we have a leader.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That knows he's not going to get in trouble, then
you get dangerously close. Would be considered a dictatorship, because
if they don't have to worry about the board saying
if you keep this up, we're going to replace you,
then they're just going to do whatever they want. And pardons,
I think if you can restrict the pardons to a
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reasonable thing like this one was unfairly convicted and they
weren't able to find the evidence, but now we have
it that kind of thing, I'm okay with that, But
just throwing them around, I have a problem with that.
I think it comes back to just a balance. So
I understand what you're saying, Brad. I think it just
needs to be a little more strictly regulated in the
way it's done.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I the impeachment process either needs to be stripped out
or it needs to be totally stripped down. Pardon power,
same thing it these are, these safety measures are being abused.
The issues that matter most, the eighty twenty issues, those
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are the issues that can cross party lines. The eighty
twenty issues are maintenance of peace and prosperity. Everything that
comes out of the Imperial City needs to be either
an advance of peace and prosperity, and we can afford it,
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or we can't afford to do it. No nation in
history has ever survived a tax burden that our nation
has on our on the people's income. No nation in
history has ever survived a debt like this. We don't
know this is this is so far off the charts.
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American people need to now make a choice. And the
backbone of the entire American economy, Guys, what keeps US
afloat is the value of the US dollar the board
that debt goes up, the risk that doll the US
dollar is going to turn into a junk bond, which
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is where it is now. People stop institutions, investors, stop
buying US treasuries, stop lending money to the federal government,
and now we are at international Monetary fund and World
Bank level, and we become indentured servants to the global
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class who have decided to repossess the assets and the
collateral in the United States. That's what Elon's talking about.
Have a great week. We'll talk to you next week.
Talk about going postal. Let's see how many retweets Elon
gets before the Secret Service knocks General out today. Special
guest stepping in, mister Campagna Campy, thanks for stepping in here.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
It's a pleasure to be here. Man.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
You've been producing the show for us for a long
time and you're always behind the glass. Nice for you
to come in and fill in for the General. You know,
can't be the billionaire bromance? Did it go bust? Is
their mending of defences? You know, it's like here we
are right in the middle of Pride Month. That's over,
just like that. I what's your take? What's going on here?
Speaker 3 (00:44):
I think we you have are two intelligent human beings
with very large egos. The way I see it is
that you know, Elon was brought in and say what
you will, whichever line you are on. That he was
in to help with wasteful spending. So he went in
with dough. Now this guy is the richest man in
the world, right, so he comes in cuts some wasteful
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spending in different areas. Now they're obviously was blowback on that.
But one of the things that he is in charge of,
obviously he owns Tesla.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
So is this budget bill, the Big Beautiful Bill that
everyone is talking about.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
There's a you know, there's a part of.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
That bill that has cuts to evs, and there's a
lot of people that drive EV's, but there's a lot
of people.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
That don't like him. I'm a gas powered guy.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
I got a four bronco myself, I myself would not
buy an EV. However, it getting cut in that bill.
You could see the you could see.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
The anger coming from Musk and ever.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
Since that point he has turned and he has an
extraordinary huge social media posting.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
I mean, you're talking about two powerful.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Men on social media and in the world alone, so
you have kind of two guys duking it out.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
My problem is it's it's immature.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
I mean, yeah, I hear you mentioned the EV credit
that's going to get stripped out from the Big Beautiful Bill.
And later on the show, towards the end of the show,
I did go through the Big Beautiful Bill. I did
get the assistance of AI to help me go through it.
But I do want to go through that because everyone
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talks about well, they don't even read it and they
don't know what's in it. They're voting on it. There's
not enough time to read it and review it before
you vote on it. But back to this, this fissure,
and as of our recording here on Friday, June sixth,
you got to we have to remember Trump got elected
not because of Elon Musk. It was because of the
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common sense and the we the People and we the
people have we the people whoever if you consider yourself
to be part of the We the People crowd, the
we the People crowd got behind Donald Trump the day
he came down the Golden escalator. He picked up more
(03:03):
followers throughout his presidential his first term. I was one
of them. For the listeners that have been listening to
the show for a long time, my voting record, I
put it out there. My first federal election was an
eighty eight. You know, I'm a Reagan Para parau w
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w Obama Obama sixteen. I had to vote for Clinton.
I just didn't know enough about Donald. I thought Donald
Trump just like this is this guy just can't get
in and this is that's just a bridge too far.
Rather have Hillary Clinton than to Donald Trump. I was wrong.
I admit that I was wrong. You're looking at me like, no,
Brad you you weren't wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, it's not that you were wrong.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
There's still some debate about whether or not Trump does
know what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
It depends on how I agree. I agree we're the we,
But the we, the people that's had a revival, it's
had a resurrection of in the last decade. That we
the people got behind Donald Trump. It left the GOP.
I left the GOP in two thousand and six. Over
foreign policy. I saw the whole neo conservative movement for
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what it was. It seemed like a capitalist cash grab
for military defense contractors. We are not in the business
of nation building. Nation building isn't going to work on
every continent and in countries that are basically religious dynasties
that go back millennium. But we the people got behind
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Donald Trump in sixteen twenty twenty four, and they are
going to remain united behind Donald Trump. The Democrats clamoring
that Donald Trump is a threat to democracy, that is authoritarian,
that he's a dictator, that he's hitler can't be under
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every other political system in the recorded and unrecorded history
of the world, talk like this, that being Elon musk
tweets would have gotten you hung drawn quartered poisoned, maybe
your entire family. You know, I don't consider what Elon
(05:23):
is doing to be Mahatma Gandhi. He's not Rosa Parks.
He's not doctor Martin Luther King Junior. He's not Nelson Mandela.
I think he's closer to Edward Snowden. He may get
exiled like Edward Snowden, maybe out of the country, maybe not.
You know, who knows what the guy is gonna do?
Or is he more like Alexi Navalny who questioned Putin
(05:45):
and Russia. That's a good question, right, So Navalney poisoned
in twenty died under suspicious circumstances last year. So here
we have a as a as a historian, as a
political does commentator, degree in political science, whatever that was,
I now understand. I now understand why they had a
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degree in political science in the eighties and seventies and nineties,
because where does power come from? That's political power, political power.
Where does power come from? It can come from force,
it can come from money. But political power is what
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we're about to see with Donald Trump unleash on Elon Musk,
who has the money, power and the universes that they're
each playing in. You've got Elon kind of iron iron Man,
(06:48):
kind of a Tony Stark figure.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
Oh without questions.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Yeah, and I got Donald Trump as kind of that
Captain America and you have Elon slash iron Man. His
galaxy is or universe is Twitter X. Trump's universe is
truth Social. Trump's now the political power that Donald Trump
(07:13):
has is hobbled by the fact that he's he is
in truth social doing all of his tweets. He's relying
on his followers to read, to screenshot and retweet on
Twitter X. It'll be curious to see what Elon does
with X relative to comments in favor of Trump. It's
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really going to be interesting to see.
Speaker 3 (07:37):
Well, that's gonna be That's gonna be the issue, Brad,
because I would also argue that when you have as
much money as Elon Musk does, it can translate to
a sort of political influence. And so the question you're
asking that we're all asking right now is does Elon
Musk's jilted girlfriend type of grudge that he has going
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on right now can that influence and other Republicans who
have done business with him.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
He's providing cover for you make put.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The budget bill in doubt because of what he's saying
that that's a real there's a touch world going on.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
Right for sure? Can't be. And if you're just joining us,
that's not the General that is can't he is our
producer also stepping in and sitting in for the General
this morning or today you start to now go, well,
hold on, where did Elon's black eye really come from? Right?
I mean, you know we're gonna hear more about the
black Eye. But Tony Stark, iron Man, Steve Rogers, Captain America,
(08:37):
Donald Trump. If you look at if you look at
the Tony Stark character, the iron Man character, iron Man
had a substance abuse problem, yeah right yeah, uh and
uh he he became. If you're I'm a Marvel guy,
loved iron Man, love Captain America. But I'm but if
(08:57):
you if you watch the unfolding of what's going to
happen here, it does seem like iron Man got drunk
or hit too much ketamine and amphetamines at a MAGA
rally and started throwing punches at Captain America. Is Elon
Musk going to be more like Captain America's Winter Soldier?
That's okay?
Speaker 2 (09:18):
Now you want to see that. Get out of the box.
It's a serious Pandora's boxer, right.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
So you know Bucky was great Steve Rogers World War
Two buddy, Yeah, and then something that happened to Bucky
and he became Winter Soldier and he ran up fighting
Captain America.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
So the question is can you bring him back from that?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Coding you a good guy, you will, Elon will be back.
Welcome back for the defense of the American people. With
Attorney Brad Kopfel, the General's out today, Campy is stepping in.
We have we have Iron Man versus Captain America. We
have potentially Elon Musk turning into Winter Soldier, who was
(10:00):
Captain's World War two fighting partner. Something happened to him,
gets brainwashed, gets hit with some sort of super soldier serum,
and Bucky becomes Winter Soldier and a nemesis to Captain America.
Where is Elon going on? This? Should we even be
talking about it at this much? I think we should
because the power struggle that you're seeing. Power comes in
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different forms. You've got political power, and which is the
number one force in the United States, number one force
in the West. But political power can be captured by
moneyed interest, financial wealthy money power. So Elon is here
because he's the world's richest man. Yes he is a futurist,
(10:45):
Yes he is. He is Tony Stark. But America didn't
those who voted for Donald Trump in twenty twenty four,
those of the We the People, the MAGA movement didn't
vote for Elon Musk and Elon to come out like
he's some sort of whistle blower, he's misreading the room completely.
(11:08):
He is providing cover for some key Republican senators who
do not like this big, audacious bill. He is providing
political cover for them. But he's not a whistle blower.
He's a guy with too many followers and not enough chill.
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And the power that he has on X reduces the
rest of us that we the people, that we're all
just yelling into the void, and the Democrats are now
all of a sudden back to loving Elon while the
rest of us are trying to figure out do we
have to pick a side? If you're a Republican, do
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you have to pick aside? And art is Elon Wright?
Is there something here that we need to know that
he totally earned on Donald Trump? So fast.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Well, Brad, that's part of the argument is that we
should be what we should be as a people is
informed so that you shouldn't have to pick a side
and just say, oh, yeah, he's back to the Elon's
back to our side of the fence, or he's a
trader to the president. That's not how it should work.
But here we are watching these two go back and
(12:22):
forth on this. So the question is, as you mentioned,
that's the real gosh, that's the real hard part about
this is that is it going to come down who
has the most influence or that was the best information on.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
What we need.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
That's political power. The fact that the American people who
are glued to the political process, like myself, the students
of it. This is my sports. This is my college football,
although I love college football. This is my NHL Stanley Cup,
which I.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Love as well.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Yeah, this is the stuff I live for and I
have for forty years. The fact that I will most
likely never forget where I was when one of my
text threads blew up. That's my coffee group I get
together with every morning. When that text thread blew up
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on Elon dropping Trump into the Epstein files, no one
saw that coming. You could hear you see the black
eye in Elon. You hear that. Maybe he got into
a little push and shove with Scott Bessen weeks ago.
(13:41):
It was a public flare up with Peter Navarro. Then
you had prior to that, almost immediately the next Ohio Governor,
Vivek Ramaswami, he left doge unceremoniously. He kept his mouth shut.
Political he's a political ninja. Elon is not a political ninja.
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I don't know how much of this is Elon with
emotional deficits coupled with substance use slash abuse.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Well, it's interesting when you're pretty much a genius. I
think we can all agree on that he's a very
smart man. But some of the smartest men we've seen
in human history have had issues.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Albert Einstein, beautiful mind.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Albert Einstein would have been diagnosed as autistic right now,
and he was a genius. But regarding real quick going
back to the Epstein files, there's probably a good chance
he's in it.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
But that's old news.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Well yeah, but what I'm saying is people need to
stop thinking about it in a bad The guy knew
so many people. Trump could have just been on his
boat like twenty years ago and have no idea what
you know, any connection to what Epstein was.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Really the fact there's two things there can't be. Thanks
for taking us back there, because these are two very
important facts that I look at. Fact number one is
Donald Trump's followers don't care if he's on the Epstein list.
They don't care, probably not, they just don't care. And
number two, the fact that Elon Musk just several days
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ago was given a key to the White House and
within a matter of hours, dozens of hours, is dropping
a defamatory statement like this tells me there's so much
more at the federal level that the people are just
disconnected from even those of us that spend a ridiculous
(15:40):
amount of time reading, writing, thinking, discussing, and you still
miss this. That to me is scary, And that to
me also means we must get the political power under control,
because this machine apparatus is supposed to work for us
(16:02):
and all of us, and as you said earlier, can't be.
It doesn't work if we the people are not properly informed.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
And that's correct, And sometimes you wonder the hardest part
for anyone, and I think you know being in a
news organization and this being something that you're very passionate
about and being well informed, you're able to clear out
the clutter. But the general, the general audiences, there are
a lot of them. You see them with the maga
(16:32):
hats and they're dressed up and stuff. I consider them
to be a little too fanatical. And I'm and I
should say this on either side.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
I love the fact we got on the show today.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Keep going either side of these.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
Tell Tell the listeners who are not familiar with you,
can't be your well known personality here in Columbus. Tell
the listeners, especially the folks who are not in Ohio.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
I'm independent.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
I am independent with a modern view in certain circumstances
and a little more conservative in others. So I try
to see both side to the fence to come to what.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
Needs to be Huja vote four and twenty four.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
I voted for Kamala harrit Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Just so everyone understands to your point, and I agree
with you. I think you're the point that you were
making is that the American the people need information to
make informed decisions. The average person, whether they are a
you know, we love the whole world far left or
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the American conservatives, libertarians, MAGA to the far right. We
can all agree on one thing. This system doesn't work
if the American people don't know how it's supposed to work.
Because if you don't know how it's supposed to work
and it's broken, you'll never know, right.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
You just lean on whoever you think has the strongest voice,
and sometimes that could be the one leanding you in
the wrong direction.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
How many people have actually took the time taken the
time rather to go on the government website find the
one big beautiful Bill, Act HR one gone in there,
downloaded it, read it, asked AI to help you synthesize
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it whatever, instead of just the sound bites that it's
tax cuts for billionaires and it's no taxes on overtime. Right,
it's so much more than that. The bill passed the
House by one vote, yes, one vote, And nothing says
physical responsibility like a piggy bank that you keep voting
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to continue to expand. And then when you tell your
kids you're spending too much money, yet you go out
and you get the more credit cards and you raise
their limits on their credit cards. At the end of
the day, guys, that's what we needed to be talking
about is the money, the money, the money. And after
the break we're going to talk about we are gonna
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talk about about this House bill and what and some
forecasting what might be happening in the future. It moves
so fast, it's Trump time, all right. We're on Boy
The Defense of the American People with Brad kaff Or
Attorney Brad Coffel, Monday through Friday. My actual day job
(19:20):
is defending individuals and their family members. When government agents
show up want to have a little cup of coffee
with you and talk about what you've been doing, maybe
on your computer, maybe what you've been doing in the
back room there with the company checking account. Maybe you
had too much to drink and we're driving home. Maybe
(19:42):
your son gets brought up on some sort of accusations
that what he did with the young lady she decided
was non consensual. Whatever the issue may be, alcohol, drug, sex,
and greed. Those are the four four to land a
criminal defense lawyer's office. And you know what also can't
(20:05):
be This is the anniversary show. I started the show
June fourth, twenty seventeen, and this is recording June sixth,
twenty twenty five. Eight year birthday today for the show.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Congratulations, yeah, thank you. It means I've been with you, gosh,
I have I been with you for eight years?
Speaker 1 (20:25):
Must so yeah?
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
So here are Democrats now they're all confused. They're like,
Froggy Froger, is that.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
The Roderby's dodging traffic right now?
Speaker 1 (20:34):
So now they got to pick a lane because now
all of a sudden they got to go back to
loving elon. This is all distraction. We have to stay
focused on the signal. The signal here is we the people,
and what is in the best interest of the American people.
What is in the best interest of main Street USA.
Not what is in the best interest of the oligarchs,
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Not what's in the best interest of the East Coast elite,
not what's in the best interest of the West Coast environmentalist.
It is what is in the best interest of main
Street USA at the end of the day. The people
that pick up your garbage, the men and women the
Patroyer streets, the men and women that educate your children,
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the men and women who provide critical medical support to
your parents, your family members, The people that you come
in contact with on a daily basis that are providing
services and goods products at a local level must be protected.
(21:40):
I had earlier this week, Campy had. A gentleman was
referred to me. It's from Venezuela to detail our cars.
He came over on day one, did an unbelievably great job.
I talked to him and it turned out he is
university educated. He was an insurance industry in Venezuela four
(22:03):
years ago, had to leave and he brought his son
and wife here and he has started his own small business.
He hardly speaks any English. His little boy, who goes
to one of our suburban schools, is his translator. Give
me more people like them all day long. Yeah, right,
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he's out there. He's bought his own equipment. He's doing
the car wash, vacuum, the detail on your driveway, out
on the parking lot, at your office, wherever you want
it to be. But he's got a son there and
he's working, and his son sees his father, and then
he sees me and my kids. I can't help, but
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as a as a as a human being, I want
to do what I can do to help this family.
That's politics at a lot local level. My concern it can't
be is that FDR New Deal lbj's Great Society and
(23:11):
everything since the Since then, we have outsourced our moral
obligations to the nation state. We've outsourced our ethics to
the nation state. It's we are abdicating our role as
people to take care of other people, and we are
(23:33):
looking at the nation state to do it for us.
As a result, no one says no when you need
to say no. You have to say no to continuing
to spend outrageous amounts. You must say no to raising
the debt limit. You must say no. And politically it's unpopular.
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The we the people can handle higher prices. We can
handle not having a seventy five inch flat screen in
every room in the house. There's so much hot air
that can be left let out of our economy without
compromising critical vital government functions like protecting us from foreign adversaries,
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protecting us from each other, making sure that the elderly,
the sick, the disabled, and the youth are fed, educated,
taken care of. We're all we can all agree on
this stuff. This big bill is just this news cycles discussion.
(24:38):
We need to have even a bigger, bigger conversation, and
who is representing us elon it probably feels like, Look,
I bought you the White House, and I didn't buy
you the White House for Congress to write blank checks.
I think Elon feels that way, that he's entire to
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something out of Donald Trump in the executive branch. And
I'm on record on this show, I've always said the
jury is out with me and Elon. I just don't
like having a billionaire. I don't like having the world's
richest man that close to one branch of government.
Speaker 2 (25:22):
I was uncomfortable with it from day one.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
I just don't like it. And I don't like the
fact that this private citizen stepped out and within a
matter of hours rattled off tweets or x's or message
whatever he calls them, and some kind of effort to
undermine Donald Trump and what he's trying to do. This
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is politics, it's not business. And if the American people
need to know exactly why is there this split? Is
there something legitimate about Elon? Elon? Look, you can't just
dismiss him. I'm not going to tell Elon, you know
(26:09):
on behalf of our listeners stick to rockets, not revolutions.
We have to hear. I would like to hear what
he has to say.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
Well, you know what they say is every you have
a side. You have two sides to each story, and
somewhere in the middle is the truth. And what we'd
like to get to is the middle of this.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
I would like to know is Musk acting like he's
the people's champion? It is who is our captain America?
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Are you looking for, my honest opinion.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Captain America? Or is Donald Trump Captain America?
Speaker 3 (26:40):
Well, right now I can tell you that Elon Musk,
and this is just my personal opinion right now, is
that he is. The reason he became the richest man
in the world is because of what he did with businesses,
and part of that is looking out for your own
self interest. So there's an entitlement issue here that he
did he put a lot of my in a Trump's election. Yes,
(27:01):
that's a fact. But he also didn't see this coming,
or so he says, didn't see this coming in the
bill about the EV's. So I think what he's doing.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
I don't think it's the EV's. I just got I know,
I respect your opinion. I disagree that it's about the
EV credits.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
Go ahead, Well, I mean, I guess what I'm saying
is is that? Where was I going with that? My
train of thought got thrown.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Out right, Well, Elon, is he captain America?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Is he representing That's what I was going to do.
He's he's looking on for his own self.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
In my opinion, he's he's ticked off because it did
affect his business.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
This is for sure. Maybe that's why he's ticked off.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
It's not you're saying in the budget bill and the
EV's I think that's exactly what it is. He's upset
because if you look at his look at the look
at his his stock just went down fourteen percent. That's
one hundred and twenty billion dollars at least, I mean
at least and rising probably.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
So yeah, he's really ticked off.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
But when he's what I hear him say is we're
not a country, We're a credit card with a flag.
That's basically what I might take away with Elon as
a host of an AM talk show radio show where
(28:15):
our whole focus is getting rid of the noise, figuring
out what the signal is. Political power comes from here
in our country, consent of the governed, not force, not money.
Right now, musks money and Trump's political power are duking
(28:37):
it out, and we the people are caught in the crossfire.
Whoever has the ability to influence or control the behavior
of institutions, and then the people they that person or
that group will have the political power. The consent of
the governed is the political power and has to come
(29:00):
from the consent of the people. But we need to
know what is going on and I otherwise we're lost
here in this crossfire. At least, when you live in
a dictatorship authoritarian regime, you know that it's force and coercion,
(29:22):
there's nothing to do but survive. When it's legitimacy and authority,
and we are supposed to accept a ruler or a
system as legitimate, we need rational actors, and right now
I'm not sure either one of these guys is acting
(29:42):
as rational actors.
Speaker 2 (29:44):
Oh, neither one of them a rational level ring.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
We might be better with a monarchy at this point,
We might be better just with a king. That way,
we don't have to spend all this time stewing about it.
And before we jump into the weekend, one more segment
here for the Defense of the American people signals is this.
(30:10):
We cannot balance the budget on the backs of workers.
We must leave Medicare and Medicaid alone. Definitely, Medicare Medicaid
can be tweaked. Got to leave social security alone. The
country escaped catastrophe with Joe Biden's term, the auto pen,
(30:35):
Kamala Harris potentially being elected, with all due respect to
you can't be and those who voted for Kamala Harris,
and no worries. I don't think too many listening to
the show. The Biden cover ups should be the biggest
political scandal of our republic, the cover up that goes
back to his vice presidency. Boy, the Bidens are lucky
(31:00):
in this right now and at this point, even the
crime scene in progress that is the imperial city that
is DC and all its little ligaments and tendons, it
is likely that Democrats will win the House next year.
The Republican Party cannot have a civil war. Trump and
(31:21):
Elon must mend this immediately or Trump and his team
basically are just going to need to agree. Don't take
the bait, don't even don't he's exiled, he's politically exiled.
Don't even comment on him. Leave him alone. But we
cannot have a civil war either. These two men fences
(31:42):
over the weekend or uh the President is going to
have to politically exile Elon Musk. The Republican Party cannot
have a civil war, even with again, even with the
mess of the of the Biden administration, the cover ups there,
the complicity of the of the media, Jake Tapper's scorched
(32:04):
Earth book, all this stuff, and even all the great
things that are happening in America on the economic front,
it's still likely that the Democrats will win the House
next year in the moment they do. Here come the
impeachment proceedings. Not one, not two, there are three.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
There will be multiple, which I think will be an
extraordinary waste to the people's tax payer money.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Look, we have impeachment.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
It's called an election every.
Speaker 2 (32:31):
Four years exactly.
Speaker 3 (32:32):
And if you keep doing this, the only thing that
doesn't get done is what we need to get done.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
Which is why we put you in the office in
the first place.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Here's the deal. We need to get rid of impeachments
and we need to get rid of the pardon. We
need to get rid of both of those. When a
when a federal criminal actor can spend enough money to
get a presidential pardon, or better yet, you get the
(33:03):
president's family members tied in on your criminal conspiracy of
pocketing millions, kickbacks, bribes, pay to play, and if you
can loop in the president and you know, you're probably
going to get some pardons that need the pardon needs
(33:26):
to go way. We have to take the impeachment weapon
away from Congress. We have a democracy set up that
the people that control the purse strings, the congressmen and women,
they have to run their come up for They have
to run for their job every twenty four months. The
person in the oval has to run every forty eight months.
(33:47):
We don't need impeachment. Maybe keep it for federal judges,
but after that, other than that, we have the criminal
court system and we have the electoral process. But as
long as we have impeachment, we have to deal with
the fact that as soon as it Democrats, if they
take the House, they're going to absolutely throw sand in
(34:08):
the gearbox of the American the economy, our foreign policy,
it's going to it could certainly open us up to
an attack literally an attack not necessarily our home land,
but on a key ally what happens when what happens
when Iran drops some big stuff on Israel? I mean
(34:31):
they've tried. What happens when China moves on Taiwan? What
happens when Russia go ahead and figure and takes the
rest of you of Ukraine? And we're going to be
in a pissing match in twenty six because of an
impeachment process. We just can't go there. How do you
(34:55):
keep that from happening? The Republicans need to keep the House,
they barely have it, and to have a civil war
in the Republican party right now is the last thing
to happen.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yeah, the clock's ticking on this civil war, there's no
question about that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You go any longer and you are going to see
a blue wr right.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
There is no reason at all if you're literally talking
about who the trustees are going to be for the
family business, the trustees who are going to monitor let's
just say the let's just say the American people are
one big, happy family, and we have four hundred and
thirty five trustees that are on our board. Yeah, and
(35:38):
there's a chairman of the board that being the president.
If we found out that the chairman of the board,
who has to sign off on everything, did not have
his wits about him, had an auto pen with signing
things that make no sense to us, opening up the border,
(35:59):
killing the the econ the energy independence of the country,
the billions and billions and billions of dollars to Ukraine,
and whatever else. When the family learns that the chairman
of the board has been has been signing off on
decisions that are one adverse to the interest of the family,
(36:23):
you replaced that person. You don't bring in another chairman
from the same team. When you have the other trustees
in Congress, the senators that have been there for decades,
and we're finding out through Doge all the fraud, waste
and abuse, you would go look no more. If you
(36:45):
were there prior to twenty twenty, we don't want to
see your name on the ballot again. You're done.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
I think my only I'm going to differ with you
a little bit regarding the impeachment and pardons.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
Just like everything else, you have to have a balance.
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Impeachment is there as a safeguard if they don't.
Speaker 2 (37:03):
If is it a safeguard that we have a leader.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
That knows he's not going to get in trouble, then
you get dangerously close. Would be considered a dictatorship, because
if they don't have to worry about the board saying
if you keep this up, we're going to replace you,
then they're just going to do whatever they want. And pardons,
I think if you can restrict the pardons to a
(37:27):
reasonable thing like this one was unfairly convicted and they
weren't able to find the evidence, but now we have
it that kind of thing, I'm okay with that, But
just throwing them around, I have a problem with that.
I think it comes back to just a balance. So
I understand what you're saying, Brad. I think it just
needs to be a little more strictly regulated in the
way it's done.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
I the impeachment process either needs to be stripped out
or it needs to be totally stripped down. Pardon power,
same thing it these are, these safety measures are being abused.
The issues that matter most, the eighty twenty issues, those
(38:09):
are the issues that can cross party lines. The eighty
twenty issues are maintenance of peace and prosperity. Everything that
comes out of the Imperial City needs to be either
an advance of peace and prosperity, and we can afford it,
(38:31):
or we can't afford to do it. No nation in
history has ever survived a tax burden that our nation
has on our on the people's income. No nation in
history has ever survived a debt like this. We don't
know this is this is so far off the charts.
(38:53):
American people need to now make a choice. And the
backbone of the entire American economy, Guys, what keeps US
afloat is the value of the US dollar the board
that debt goes up, the risk that doll the US
dollar is going to turn into a junk bond, which
(39:14):
is where it is now. People stop institutions, investors, stop
buying US treasuries, stop lending money to the federal government,
and now we are at international Monetary fund and World
Bank level, and we become indentured servants to the global
(39:37):
class who have decided to repossess the assets and the
collateral in the United States. That's what Elon's talking about.
Have a great week. We'll talk to you next week.
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