July 3, 2025 • 40 mins
The guys discuss the rapid political rise of Islam and the threat to seperation of Church and State. Happy 4th of July, America!
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
General, what are we going to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I think we should take it like it comes. There's
a lot of interesting events going on in this world.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You were going to send me your notes.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I got a busy night the night before we're doing
the show. Go see Dave Chappelle with some friends. That's
a whole other story, and.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's a story we should get into them if you
get a chance.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
If you do get a chance to go see Dave
Chappelle what he's doing in Yellow Springs other than buying
up all the land and, as he says, creating black
only clubs. We were a group of us go down
and we're in a sprinter van, a really nice, beautiful
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black Mercedes sprinter van brand new in honor of mister Chappelle.
And there's five couples. And the great thing about a
guy's trip when you invite the wives is that all
the little fine details are taken care of.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They pay attention to those things.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We show up at five point thirty to get on
the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
What do the you know, what would guys do?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Meet you at Meet you at this bar, have a
few pops, get a get a big giant uh chest
cooler full of ice, beer and throw it on the
bus and go right.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's the way the guys do it, right, that's how
we roll. That's how we roll. The ladies.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
No, no, no, it's all. I'm pretty sure they might
have had organizational meetings leading.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Up to this. Sure this was well choreographed.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We had a fantastic sandwiches cut in half. Now, when
guys order food for like a guys thing, we don't
have them sliced up into quarters or halves, like here's
your sixteen inch sub.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Here's your side in the size of it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's right, you know, the ladies have ordered when it's
from Brown Bag Deli and German Village, which, by the way,
not a sponsor of the show, no could be, but
fed me all way through law school when Capitol Law School,
that great tier three law school down on South High
called the Harvard on South High the Harvard of High Street, right, Capitol.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Law School, that's where you went exactly. But anyway, the ladies.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Order brown Back Deli, great sandwiches they have, you know,
and these these delis, they'll write the number on the
outside of the rapper, on what's inside the rapper, so
you have number five, number three, So guys. If we
order these things, look here, you get what you get?
Or what's in number three?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The ladies rode out on a card. What number matched
up with the Reuben? What number matched up with the
turkey with provolone and cranberry jam.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
In case you had a Postromi allegory.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
This level of thinking.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And then because the chappelle, the chappelle, these they're called
what are they called, They're called their his summer camps.
He's running on weekends, maybe three four five of these.
This summer brings up young talent, really good national up
and coming comedians. I will say that they're the pipeline,
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especially with the Hispanic and young Black community, young Black guys.
One comedian in particular, I cannot remember his name. I
wish I could, but as he reminded me of the
first time I heard Chris Rock live.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Stand up.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm drawing a blank on this guy, but he was.
These comedians were outstanding. But you know, the ladies are involved.
Because you're outside, they bring off, they bring the spray.
What guys bring spray? Bug spray to something? Of course
we need bug spray, right, But then to get into
the field, this enclave three hundred seats sitting outside under
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the stars, a good DJ. You've got Dave.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Chappelle coming in and out.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
He's doing his bits. And then in order for them
to protect their electual property, this is probably where you're headed.
The next time you go see an artist, a creative artist,
you're probably gonna need to put your cell phone in
a bag called a yonder bag.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And these bag have you heard of these?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I have heard of them before, Yes, all right. They
keep the cell phone signal from being transmitted out.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It's correct, clear in the bag.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You put your phone in the bag as you pass
through security, and then it closes and then you can't
open it.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
There's no way.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It's somehow electronically magnetically, I don't know, smarter than me.
It's it's elon musked type of bag. You can't get
in there. But on your way out, as you exit,
you swing by one of these little kiosks and you
wave your bag by. It pops open. You pull your
phone out. You pull like I have a garment Phoenix
seven watch?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Aren't you nice?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
This giant black? What my favorite watch? Porn star tells
me everything? This is not my porn star watch No,
my porn star Watch is a Rolex. This is the
garment Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
This is not the porn star Watchka and I.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Don't know what porns you're watching, but I don't think
they wear watches.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
As we're leaving, you pull these things out, You got
your phones, You're back in You're back in the game.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You click back into the world. Get back in the van. Now.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
The interesting thing is, as the couples get back into
the van, we've just spent three and a half hours phoneless.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right, get back in the van.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm watching. What's going to happen now? Are is everyone
going to get back on their phones? Are we just
going to pick up the party where we left off? Well,
my crew, we pick up the party right where they
left off. And it was a great time. Problem number one,
I didn't do a lot of show prep. This was
I was a last minute plus one invitation. So general,
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what do you want to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, there's a lot of things to talk about. We've
got a very interesting New York mayoral candidate.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
YEP covered him last week. Thanks for missing Campy was
in on that show. Campy got a few shoutouts for
you from some listeners.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I feel like I'm Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I got the Apprentice, I got the General, and now
I've got my young up and comer, my campy back there,
my producer who voted for Kamala at twenty twenty four
sat in here.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
No one's perfect.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's a good moderating influence. It's good to have you back.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't want moderated. Well, who does hello infidel? Although
I am? I said hello infidel? What is infidel?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
An infidel is someone with whom you disagree on a
religious basis. We're gonna have to look this up, are
you sure?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yes, I'm sure to look it up.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm sure that there will be a politically correct definition
out there. But in the end, that's what it is.
I'm concerned someone if someone believes differently in you than you,
are an infidel to them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's a subjective term that I may be viewed as
an infidel to some people who may ultimately want to.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So, I don't know if this is far right stuff.
But when I hear infidel, I hear death to infidels.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The Jews were referred to as infidels by the Nazis
it's it's it's basically, it's it's approbative term.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Uh what a term of approbation? You went the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I asked for simplification, and you went from probative to approbation.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Okay, can you go the other direction if you don't
like them? They're infidels? All right?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Now there is Muslim and then there's Islam, and then
there's Radical Islam and Muslim brotherhood. I don't I don't
want to get this wrong, but I literally am asking
with an open mind because this is something I think
is a big deal. My family and I we leave
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in a couple of days. We're going across the pond.
We're going back to We're going back to We're going
to London. My wife's extended family is British. We're going
to go spend a week there, tour around, look at
some castles, go to some museums, see some stuff the
British Empire stole from second and third world countries.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I have a feeling we're going to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
See a lot of Muslim Muslim religious attire, may see
calls to prayer and public spaces. Last time I was there,
forget however, many years ago, as pre COVID there was
a noticeable Arab population or Middle Eastern population. Now I'm
feeling could be wrong. Now I'm feeling as though I'm
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going to be walking into a new type of London
ecosystem with more extreme on the part of the Muslim community.
The question for you general, tell me what if you
know Muslim versus Islam, what's the difference.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, there is no difference. Muslim in Islam is the same.
There are two sects of Islam, the Shia sect and
the Sunni sect.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I literally, I just asked you, like, I don't know. Yes,
I did, no preper I'm literally this is an open mic.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yes, are you sure?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I used to be the Checkered Flag advisor for my
military unit. Our task force was for the Middle East,
so I had to know all of this stuff. So
I've known all of this stuff for thirty years.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
All right, So Muslim is a person who practices Islam.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
You're a Muslim, and it's someone who, let me see here,
submits to the will of God Allah and follows the
teaching of the Qur'an and prophet Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Islam is the realm, that's true. Got it? Okay? After
the break. I think let's talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It is because it does feel as though with the
election of Mamdani in New York City and a lot
of what we've been saying brote Palestine, anti Jewish rhetoric,
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We need to talk about the welcome back to.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
For the defense of the American people.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And here on.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The celebration of our nation's birth, we are about to
start our two hundred and fiftieth lap around the sun.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And they said it would never last. And it's a totally.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Different America than it was, even in think about how
different it is twenty twenty five versus say twenty to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Very true, specifically as it relates to.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Americans here in the heartland that are growing increasingly uncomfortable with.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
The rise of building of mosques and the practice of
public practice. Have called a prayer.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
We Campa and I touched on this last week. We
are just having a conversation and thanks for joining us.
Thanks our sponsor, Chezroun Automotive. We'll get back to you
in a little bit Chez Round. But I think as
we move into this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this
next year, the America the first two hundred and fifty
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years versus the America. The next two hundred and fifty
years is going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean it is.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It is on the brink of being two totally different countries.
It's on the brink of going one of either remaining
a Judeo Christian based operating system or we're in the
process of being colonized.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What's your thought.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, what most people don't know about Islam is it's
one of the three models.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Tell me, tell me first of all, before you pontificate
on Muslim are there any disclosures you?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, how do you know this stuff?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You do not look at all like you practice Islam.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
How do you know this stuff? Well, there are many
make sure what you practice. But yes, definitely not Aslam.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, definitely a Christian. I am a Catholic. But there
are many years.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
We were worried about you guys, one hundred years ago. General,
that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They didn't want us to be any They didn't want
presidents who are Catholic because supposedly we would be submitting
every decision to Rome.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So why is it different? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Sorry, go ahead, tell us why you know so much
about the religion of Islam?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, there are two reasons. One was that I was
a studied national security when I was at Ohio State,
and you can't know about national security unless you know
about the Middle East, or as they would call it,
Southwest Asia and all of the religions and customs Therein Further,
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when I was in the Ohio Air National Guard, our
area of deployment was Southwest Asia. That's where we were
going in case there was a war. And so every
unit in the Air Force has what's called a checkered
flag monitor, which is a person who must educate the
unit in the customs, religions, and geography of the place
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where we were to be.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
This was a You told me you were the checkered
the checkered flag What checkered flag monitor?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You're the checkered flag monitor for Yes, for my unit
in the US Air Force, Yes it well, Ohio Air
National Guard, Yes, which is part of their sharing facts
not hyperbole, not far right extremism.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Tell me why.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The construction of Catholic churches in the United States and
the emergence of Catholicism and the late eighteen hundreds and
nineteen hundreds and the white Protestants who saw Catholicism as
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being a big existential problem. Tell me why this one
with Islam is same and history is going to prove
they're going to move right on in with the rest
of us or different.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
In some ways there are similarities, but in other ways
there are big differences.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
The similarity radio voice on today, Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I do, I try all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
In What most people don't understand about Islam is that
it is one of the three revealed religions that is monotheistic.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And when people.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Talk about Allah, Allah is not a proper name like
Frank or Bill. Allah simply means God. And the Muslims
believe that you that Christians and Jews are also praying
to the same exact entity. It's the same one. Adam
and Eve are mentioned in the Quran, Jesus is mentioned
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in the Qoran, Moses.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And the Qan is their Bible.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, it's it's it is what was revealed to a
Middle Eastern trader named Mohammed, who was illiterate.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
How do they know they have the right Mohammed? Well,
that's he was. Are there a lot of Mohammas?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
There are, but that he's the reason that there are
a lot of Mohammads, just like Jesus is the reason
there are a lot of people named Jesus.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Not Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
So all of this was the Mohammeds than there are well, it's.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
But all of this was all of the Quran was
revealed to Mohammed in around the sixth or seventh century
a d. And it was revealed to him that even
the angels that are referred to in Islam are the
same as the ones that are referred to in the
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Bible and in the copyright infringement in some ways. And
so when we when we talk about this, we're talking
about the Muslims believe that Islam is merely a refinement
of Christianity. It's a refinement of Judaism, and it's not
a different religion.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Now, Dave Chappelle did tell us it was very quick.
It was it was a drive by. He said, he's Muslim.
I'm pretty sure I heard him say that. I'm gonna
double check that, but I thought I heard him say
that the other night in the show I did mention
you've already forgotten. I went down to Yellows Brings some
friends and saw Dave Chappelle and some up and coming
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comedians that were fantastic. Get a chance to get on
Yellow Springs. Go see the Chappelle Show.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So the difference though with with with Islam and Christianity
and Judaism is that in Christianity there is a built
in how do I want to say directive that church
and state need to be separate. You look at the
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words of Christ, and Christ said, you know, give to
Caesar what is Caesar? Give to God? What is God?
He also said, my kingdom is not of this earth.
My kingdom is up in heaven. So don't come to
me and want me to lead you and be your
president and all of that sort of thing. And Christ
would also say Christianity is not about voting in Christian beliefs,
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so that the government can take care of the poor
and the wretched.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's it's an individual responsibility. You you are directing. Now,
you're over the target for me out now, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So the purpose of it when we talk about Judeo
Christian principles being the foundation for the operating system of
the government, we are saying what.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, the biggest principle is that it is a secular government.
And there is where we vary from Islam. Islam promotes
a theocracy rather than a secular government.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
What does history tell us general?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
If you know what does history tell us, what did
history tell our founders about the dangers of weaving religion
into your political operating system.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, what you're going to do at that point is
you're going to lose an important freedom. Most of the
people who came here to the colonies as it was
at the time, were trying to escape a government in
England which had a state religion. It was called the
Anglican Church, and it was basically a Catholic church without
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any allegious allegiance to the pope. So they wanted to
practice religion the way they wanted to practice religion, and
they didn't see it as a government function, and those
who regarded it as a government function were a danger
to them. But unfortunately, in the Islamic community, there is
a tendency to want to incorporate the Islamic religion into
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the government, which has always been a traditional no no
for us.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So when you bring religion into your government, then, which
is whole purpose separating church and state by definition, you're
going to have the curtailment of individual freedoms, particularly for
those who do not adhere to that dominant religion.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That is true, and this is where Protestants broke off
from the Catholic Church. America became the place where you
could practice your religion freely. That now, what a appears
to be the case is is the Muslim communities that
are landing here, putting roots down, being neighborly, providing services.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Uh, they're you know, they're everywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I've had many positive experiences with what I'm presume to
be Muslims. But there's something else there and that there
there's a there. There is what we're going to talk
about next. All right, welcome back to General and I
are talking about the rise of Islam in America and
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the rise of Islam.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Specifically in the heart land.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
We now are saying we've seen is Muslim Muslims in Congress.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Is there a Muslim in the Senate? Maybe can't be?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Can look that up if they're a Muslim in the Senate?
Was Barack Obama Muslim?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He regarded himself as a Christian. He went to that
pastor Wrights Church.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think that was a little bit too late.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's kind of like my client's apologizing on the day
of sentencing to the victim. You kind of go in
there and say the right things.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's hard to tell what a leftist is really.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I'm starting to do some more research on Obama on
where he came from. Now, our last show, I'll tell you,
I think our last show was one of our most
listened to shows, campy, most downloaded shows. Sorry, General. And
we talked about the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
In the mid eighties had an.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Existential crisis, just like they have now. Thirty of the
thirty four preceding years leading up to Clinton in the
White House was a Republican. Reagan was so powerful, popular,
doing all the right things. We really didn't need a
Democrat party.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh, Reagan used to be a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And the Democrat Leadership Council said, we need to come
up with a third way. They literally called it a
third way. And it opened the door to the young
Democrats in the party. Down ticket and see who let's
pit these people against each other. You had Al Gore,
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Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Bill Clinton. Now, the last
show got a lot of attention because we brought out
some facts. Young Bill Clinton was a Bill Clinton is
a very very smart man, true hard stop, very smart,
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very charismatic. Number two leaves Arkansas to he goes to
Ivy Leagues, Rhodes Scholarship, to Oxford, comes back Ivy League
Law Yale, and then I believe so, and then does
what Obama did at the same time, which is turned
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down all those great jobs on Wall Street, those great
federal clerkship jobs, those jobs. If you have that resume,
being a father of college kids and one recent college graduate,
if my son's resume said Ivy League, Rhodes Scholar, Oxford.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But we don't know where exactly he graduated in the
order of great talking about Clinton, I know, we don't
know that he graduated in the top five percent of
his class.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
No matter, I see this pedigree on the papers right
on his resume. If I see this on my son's resume,
and I'm like, hey, buddy, I'm tired of supporting you.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I'm glad you're doing well.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I've got these giant tuition bills because those are very
expensive schools.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We're from Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'd like you to go take that job in Wall Street,
go to that big law firm in Wall Street. Now
now I think I'm going to go back to Arkansas.
Run for Congress nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Why you want it? What? What? All? Right? So that's
what he does, goes back, runs.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
For Congress seventy six, comes to Tony It becomes governor,
and he's governor all through the eighties when that giant
sucking sound of American jobs as globalization took over, and
right down the road, right down the road, apiece was
a little company called Walmart, and Tyson Foods as well, Tyson.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Foods and all these all these things.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And Bill Clinton then gets invited to Builderberg conference in
ninety one, gets a cherry interview spot on sixty Minutes
following the Super Bowl where he is permitted to rehabilitate
his image with pure softball. So now you've got to
look at who runs sixty minutes, Who runs the Now
it's paramount. They're getting sued, they're writing big checks, but
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it's the alliance between.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
The power and the media.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And Bill Clinton comes along the same thing that happened
with Obama. He bounces back after this incredible educational upbringing
and pedigree ivy UH and IVY League, and then goes
back to Chicago to be a community activist, run for.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Politics and state Senate. They yes, State Senate.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What what I what I what I see with where
Clinton came from, where Obama came from. It seemed like
there was some long term planning and grooming find your horses.
And I believe Zohan A. Mom Dani is in the
same line as Clinton Obama where you look down and
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maybe I'm sure the Republicans have done the same thing.
They look down stream or look upstream, they go who
do we have up there that we can get a
hold of and mold and get into federal politics.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
They've got all the things.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And what I would like to talk about, either in
the remainder of this show or the next show, is
if that's the playbook, if that's the twenty for the
late twentieth century, twenty first century playbook, then we need
to be the Judeo Christian need to.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Be looking who do we build? Where?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
What states are they from? Where do they go to school?
What are what ideas do we want them to have?
Because we are now in a tremendous battles coming here
on the direction of this country for the next two
hundred and fifty years. With the Muslim the religion of
Islam growing very quickly, and it started at the universities.
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I believe my opinion, they're not here to learn or teach,
They're here to colonize and take over. That could be
viewed as right wing hyperbole. That could be viewed as wow,
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that's very realistic.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, keep in mind that one of the things that
allowed Islam to expand as quickly as it did in
the Middle East was this concept they had called dinma,
which is that when you went into an area and
you took it over militarily, and they were a bunch
of Christians or a bunch of Jews in the area,
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these Christians and Jews were regarded as people of the book.
In other words, they believed many of the things that
you believed. They were wrong according to the Muslim tradition,
but they were sincerely wrong. They would not be forced
to convert to Islam. So long as they accepted the
Islamic rulers. They were free to practice their own religions
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of Christianity and Judaism within their own areas of occupation.
And so you would have these pockets of Jews and
Christians throughout, but they were not an oppressed community. No
one was trying to force them to convert, And so
it's a lot easier to spread your religion when you
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make exceptions to those who believe many of the same
things that you do.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Isn't easier to spread your ideology cloaked in religion. Didn't
the British do this? Didn't the French do this Catholicism?
Hasn't this already been done? Hasn't this playbook.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Already been rolled out?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
We're taking Didn't we do this to the indigenous people here?
Did we not attempt to convert them to Christianity?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Many people tried to convert them to Christianity, but it
was not a paid government program.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Didn't we do this in Vietnam? And we do this with.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
UH in Africa? You have missionaries, You have Christian missionaries
all across the.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
World, notaid, not paid for, not paid for by a government.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What happens, Well, I'm not I'm not willing to go there.
I think there is some handholding. But I do believe
that the entry point for UH, the the rise of
Islam in the United States. I do believe the entry
point is and this should be no surprise. Colombia, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale,
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University of Chicago, Penn. Did I say Columbia, Did I
say Columbia. Did I say Columbia. They're replacing American faculty,
They're replacing American staff quote American with the international student enrollment.
And we know that you can sell seats. You can
sell seats to the highest bidder. The highest bidders are
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in the Middle East, and there's a lot of oil
money in there. And if you can do some easy
research in.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
FIRS World money in Texas though, too.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
You can find out how much money has been given
by Middle Eastern countries to these esteemed air quote universities.
But let's not forget. Harvard was established to promote and
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protect the Christian faith. Yale the New Light Presbyterians to
train ministers. Columbia established as King's College by royal charter
of one of the Georgia's These are white, Christian, heterosexual
based universities. And the motivation behind these schools was a
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belief in commitment to Judeo Christian values. We're on a
COI courses, all right, welcome back to for the defense
the American people with Brad Kafel.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And the General and and Children Automotive Group.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Thank you. We're talking about this religion that is laying
down roots the religion of Islam, and the followers of
Islam are Muslim. That's right, and we are seeing an
emergence of very of popularism.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Islamic populism is coming. Now. Let me let me. I
think it's very important.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
We know through the centuries that to get in power,
you get in power through brute force, or then you
get in power through through enlightenment. Through this democratic process,
you have an the operating code. The Constitution is based
upon Judeo Christian principles, the Judeo Christian principles of our
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founding documents soon med what general.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
One of the things that they assumed was separation of
church and state, the risk being the risk being that
you would not be able to practice your religion freely
if the government were to adopt one religion over another.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And when you bring in religion, it triggers the First Amendment.
It also makes a lot in America. You've got to
widen the aperture. The moment someone says, I'm practicing this
is a religious headwear, this is a religious symbol. You
got to step back and you got to give more leeway.
But what happens when a political ideology or an economic model,
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wraps itself in religion and enters your universities under the
banner of socialism. So let's take, for instance, a lot
of younger people are appreciating the quote benefits of socialism,
and they don't they're not paying attention to or have
not necessarily experienced or been taught the downsides of socialism.
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But socialism the idea was a reflection of the industrialization,
the industrial age, and the disproportionate economic impact on the
people from the capitalists that were building the factories and
hiring the workers and creating the hours and.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
The the alleged disproportionate effects.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
So just as capitalism is getting started, early socialist ideas
come through labor movements, primarily through European immigrant communities, and
they land in the cities, the ports, so they're going
to of course, it makes sense they're going to land
in the ports.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
When the farmers.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And the small business owners that are quote American, I'm
not gonna say quo the Americans and the late eighteen
hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, we had a rise of populism.
William Jennings Bryan, you know, the whole the people versus
the elite. The populaces share some of the same criticisms
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of capitalism that socialism has. I don't want to get
too far in the weeds, but most of our countries
founding we've been it's been a tension between how much
government should be.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Deployed on the people.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
We as conservatives say, stick to the constitution. That thing
was very well thought out. It was based upon a
thousand years of what's worked, what hasn't. It took the
best of the best, dropped the worst of the best,
and said here's our constitution, and it's produced what.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
We have today. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
But we've always been We've always had to push back
on number one. First way to push back on federalist
federalism monarchy, and that's where you got your Jeffersonian republicanism.
Then we had to figure out how to deal with slavery,
and then we had to figure out how to deal
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with the byproduct and side effects of industrial industrialization. Then
we had to figure out how to deal with Woodrow
Wilson and his desire for more socialism and international order globalism.
So we start mucking up other parts of the world,
creating political refugees, and they wind up coming back to
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the nations that stepped in the mess to begin with,
and so we had to deal with immigration. And so
now we've got it. There's a convergence of immigration, economics,
and political theory and freedom of religion all wrapped up
in won.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And it's all zeroing in.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Now on Islam. What I'm seeing is, I'm curious what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
General.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What I'm seeing is and reading about mosque construction accelerating
in America, will there be an increase in radical Islam?
Islamist America's religious landscape is undergoing a dramatic transformation. General,
I do feel as there's a resurgence of Judici Judeo
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Christian faith, especially with the younger people, but they do
appear to be more younger liberal leaning socialists. So we
have a Christian nation facing fundamental transformation from the religion
of Islam. And what we're seeing on the news is
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they're dangerous. Is America being colonized through sophisticated anti American,
anti Israeli propaganda. Has it infiltrated our educational system? Has
it infiltrated our government? Has it infiltrated our national security?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Institutions.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Did our ivy leagues swing the doors wide open over
the last forty years to the point now the sacred
spots in these ivs are now growing very far away
from Judeo Christian principles. So these are American institutions that
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cemented the superiority of American education. Yes, they were white,
they were Christian, they were heterosexual males were the founders.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But the people teaching now.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
May not in these universities, The newer hires may not
believe in the constitution, may not believe in the American
That's my concern. So when Trump or whoever comes after
Trump says we're going to start withholding federal money from
these Unamerican institutions, what's that sound like in the sound bites?
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Does that sound authoritarian? Does that sound fascist because that's
the way it's going to get played up or perversely?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Or is this.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Something that needs to be done and we need to
be able to explain to the younger generation. Look, this
isn't This is a bigger problem than just simply religious freedom.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
To me, it seems nonsense to say that because you're
withholding federal funds, you're a fascist, You're an authoritarian. Keep
the federal funding out of it, and you keep the
federal control out of it, then there's no control whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Is there a compatibility or an incompatibility problem in the
United States between Muslim I'm sorry, Islam and Judaism.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Only to this extent, which is that there's a tension
between freedom of religion and the establishment of a religion.
All religions want to spread as much as possible. But
in our system you can spread as much as possible.
On an individual basis. You can live your life however
you wish, but you cannot use your religion to dominate
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others into living their lives the way you wish.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Let me leave you with this. Let me leave you
with this.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Okay, I'm going to say this, and then I'm going
to get on a plane and I'm going to go
to England for a.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Couple weeks where they don't listen to you.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I believe that we have some very prominent American educational
institutions Columbia that are hiring Harvard who've hired political activists
disguising them as professors to put a political agenda that land.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
With you, that is perfectly accurate.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Should we not be looking at some of these universities
not necessarily as tax free freedom of taxation entities, but
more as taxable political action committees. I think they are
turning into political action committees.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And they have aborted their founding principles.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Promoting of teaching future leaders the ju Jao Christian ethics
that undergird this wonderful nation.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
As Trump would say, go fund yourself before America
General, what are we going to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (00:05):
I think we should take it like it comes. There's
a lot of interesting events going on in this world.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
You were going to send me your notes.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
I got a busy night the night before we're doing
the show. Go see Dave Chappelle with some friends. That's
a whole other story, and.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
It's a story we should get into them if you
get a chance.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
If you do get a chance to go see Dave
Chappelle what he's doing in Yellow Springs other than buying
up all the land and, as he says, creating black
only clubs. We were a group of us go down
and we're in a sprinter van, a really nice, beautiful
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black Mercedes sprinter van brand new in honor of mister Chappelle.
And there's five couples. And the great thing about a
guy's trip when you invite the wives is that all
the little fine details are taken care of.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They pay attention to those things.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
We show up at five point thirty to get on
the bus.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
What do the you know, what would guys do?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Meet you at Meet you at this bar, have a
few pops, get a get a big giant uh chest
cooler full of ice, beer and throw it on the
bus and go right.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
That's the way the guys do it, right, that's how
we roll. That's how we roll. The ladies.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
No, no, no, it's all. I'm pretty sure they might
have had organizational meetings leading.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Up to this. Sure this was well choreographed.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
We had a fantastic sandwiches cut in half. Now, when
guys order food for like a guys thing, we don't
have them sliced up into quarters or halves, like here's
your sixteen inch sub.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Here's your side in the size of it.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
That's right, you know, the ladies have ordered when it's
from Brown Bag Deli and German Village, which, by the way,
not a sponsor of the show, no could be, but
fed me all way through law school when Capitol Law School,
that great tier three law school down on South High
called the Harvard on South High the Harvard of High Street, right, Capitol.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Law School, that's where you went exactly. But anyway, the ladies.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Order brown Back Deli, great sandwiches they have, you know,
and these these delis, they'll write the number on the
outside of the rapper, on what's inside the rapper, so
you have number five, number three, So guys. If we
order these things, look here, you get what you get?
Or what's in number three?
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
The ladies rode out on a card. What number matched
up with the Reuben? What number matched up with the
turkey with provolone and cranberry jam.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
In case you had a Postromi allegory.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
This level of thinking.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
And then because the chappelle, the chappelle, these they're called
what are they called, They're called their his summer camps.
He's running on weekends, maybe three four five of these.
This summer brings up young talent, really good national up
and coming comedians. I will say that they're the pipeline,
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especially with the Hispanic and young Black community, young Black guys.
One comedian in particular, I cannot remember his name. I
wish I could, but as he reminded me of the
first time I heard Chris Rock live.
Speaker 1 (03:30):
Stand up.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
I'm drawing a blank on this guy, but he was.
These comedians were outstanding. But you know, the ladies are involved.
Because you're outside, they bring off, they bring the spray.
What guys bring spray? Bug spray to something? Of course
we need bug spray, right, But then to get into
the field, this enclave three hundred seats sitting outside under
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the stars, a good DJ. You've got Dave.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Chappelle coming in and out.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
He's doing his bits. And then in order for them
to protect their electual property, this is probably where you're headed.
The next time you go see an artist, a creative artist,
you're probably gonna need to put your cell phone in
a bag called a yonder bag.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And these bag have you heard of these?
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I have heard of them before, Yes, all right. They
keep the cell phone signal from being transmitted out.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
It's correct, clear in the bag.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
You put your phone in the bag as you pass
through security, and then it closes and then you can't
open it.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
There's no way.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
It's somehow electronically magnetically, I don't know, smarter than me.
It's it's elon musked type of bag. You can't get
in there. But on your way out, as you exit,
you swing by one of these little kiosks and you
wave your bag by. It pops open. You pull your
phone out. You pull like I have a garment Phoenix
seven watch?
Speaker 1 (04:55):
Aren't you nice?
Speaker 3 (04:56):
This giant black? What my favorite watch? Porn star tells
me everything? This is not my porn star watch No,
my porn star Watch is a Rolex. This is the
garment Phoenix.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
This is not the porn star Watchka and I.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Don't know what porns you're watching, but I don't think
they wear watches.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Anyway.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
As we're leaving, you pull these things out, You got
your phones, You're back in You're back in the game.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
You click back into the world. Get back in the van. Now.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
The interesting thing is, as the couples get back into
the van, we've just spent three and a half hours phoneless.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Right, get back in the van.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
I'm watching. What's going to happen now? Are is everyone
going to get back on their phones? Are we just
going to pick up the party where we left off? Well,
my crew, we pick up the party right where they
left off. And it was a great time. Problem number one,
I didn't do a lot of show prep. This was
I was a last minute plus one invitation. So general,
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what do you want to talk about today?
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Well, there's a lot of things to talk about. We've
got a very interesting New York mayoral candidate.
Speaker 3 (06:05):
YEP covered him last week. Thanks for missing Campy was
in on that show. Campy got a few shoutouts for
you from some listeners.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
I feel like I'm Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
I got the Apprentice, I got the General, and now
I've got my young up and comer, my campy back there,
my producer who voted for Kamala at twenty twenty four
sat in here.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
No one's perfect.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
It's a good moderating influence. It's good to have you back.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
I don't want moderated. Well, who does hello infidel? Although
I am? I said hello infidel? What is infidel?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
An infidel is someone with whom you disagree on a
religious basis. We're gonna have to look this up, are
you sure?
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Yes, I'm sure to look it up.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
I'm sure that there will be a politically correct definition
out there. But in the end, that's what it is.
I'm concerned someone if someone believes differently in you than you,
are an infidel to them.
Speaker 1 (07:03):
I'm concerned.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
It's a subjective term that I may be viewed as
an infidel to some people who may ultimately want to.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
So, I don't know if this is far right stuff.
But when I hear infidel, I hear death to infidels.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
The Jews were referred to as infidels by the Nazis
it's it's it's basically, it's it's approbative term.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Uh what a term of approbation? You went the wrong direction.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
I asked for simplification, and you went from probative to approbation.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
Okay, can you go the other direction if you don't
like them? They're infidels? All right?
Speaker 3 (07:44):
Now there is Muslim and then there's Islam, and then
there's Radical Islam and Muslim brotherhood. I don't I don't
want to get this wrong, but I literally am asking
with an open mind because this is something I think
is a big deal. My family and I we leave
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in a couple of days. We're going across the pond.
We're going back to We're going back to We're going
to London. My wife's extended family is British. We're going
to go spend a week there, tour around, look at
some castles, go to some museums, see some stuff the
British Empire stole from second and third world countries.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I have a feeling we're going to.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
See a lot of Muslim Muslim religious attire, may see
calls to prayer and public spaces. Last time I was there,
forget however, many years ago, as pre COVID there was
a noticeable Arab population or Middle Eastern population. Now I'm
feeling could be wrong. Now I'm feeling as though I'm
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going to be walking into a new type of London
ecosystem with more extreme on the part of the Muslim community.
The question for you general, tell me what if you
know Muslim versus Islam, what's the difference.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Well, there is no difference. Muslim in Islam is the same.
There are two sects of Islam, the Shia sect and
the Sunni sect.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I literally, I just asked you, like, I don't know. Yes,
I did, no preper I'm literally this is an open mic.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Yes, are you sure?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I used to be the Checkered Flag advisor for my
military unit. Our task force was for the Middle East,
so I had to know all of this stuff. So
I've known all of this stuff for thirty years.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
All right, So Muslim is a person who practices Islam.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
That's correct.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
You're a Muslim, and it's someone who, let me see here,
submits to the will of God Allah and follows the
teaching of the Qur'an and prophet Muhammad.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Islam is the realm, that's true. Got it? Okay? After
the break. I think let's talk about.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
It is because it does feel as though with the
election of Mamdani in New York City and a lot
of what we've been saying brote Palestine, anti Jewish rhetoric,
I think.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
We need to talk about the welcome back to.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
For the defense of the American people.
Speaker 1 (10:27):
And here on.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
The celebration of our nation's birth, we are about to
start our two hundred and fiftieth lap around the sun.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
And they said it would never last. And it's a totally.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Different America than it was, even in think about how
different it is twenty twenty five versus say twenty to sixteen.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Very true, specifically as it relates to.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Americans here in the heartland that are growing increasingly uncomfortable with.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
The rise of building of mosques and the practice of
public practice. Have called a prayer.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
We Campa and I touched on this last week. We
are just having a conversation and thanks for joining us.
Thanks our sponsor, Chezroun Automotive. We'll get back to you
in a little bit Chez Round. But I think as
we move into this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary this
next year, the America the first two hundred and fifty
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years versus the America. The next two hundred and fifty
years is going to be.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I mean it is.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
It is on the brink of being two totally different countries.
It's on the brink of going one of either remaining
a Judeo Christian based operating system or we're in the
process of being colonized.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
What's your thought.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Well, what most people don't know about Islam is it's
one of the three models.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
Tell me, tell me first of all, before you pontificate
on Muslim are there any disclosures you?
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I mean, how do you know this stuff?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
You do not look at all like you practice Islam.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
How do you know this stuff? Well, there are many
make sure what you practice. But yes, definitely not Aslam.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Well, definitely a Christian. I am a Catholic. But there
are many years.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
We were worried about you guys, one hundred years ago. General,
that's true.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
They didn't want us to be any They didn't want
presidents who are Catholic because supposedly we would be submitting
every decision to Rome.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
So why is it different? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Sorry, go ahead, tell us why you know so much
about the religion of Islam?
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Well, there are two reasons. One was that I was
a studied national security when I was at Ohio State,
and you can't know about national security unless you know
about the Middle East, or as they would call it,
Southwest Asia and all of the religions and customs Therein Further,
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when I was in the Ohio Air National Guard, our
area of deployment was Southwest Asia. That's where we were
going in case there was a war. And so every
unit in the Air Force has what's called a checkered
flag monitor, which is a person who must educate the
unit in the customs, religions, and geography of the place
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where we were to be.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
This was a You told me you were the checkered
the checkered flag What checkered flag monitor?
Speaker 3 (13:43):
You're the checkered flag monitor for Yes, for my unit
in the US Air Force, Yes it well, Ohio Air
National Guard, Yes, which is part of their sharing facts
not hyperbole, not far right extremism.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
Tell me why.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
The construction of Catholic churches in the United States and
the emergence of Catholicism and the late eighteen hundreds and
nineteen hundreds and the white Protestants who saw Catholicism as
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being a big existential problem. Tell me why this one
with Islam is same and history is going to prove
they're going to move right on in with the rest
of us or different.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
In some ways there are similarities, but in other ways
there are big differences.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
The similarity radio voice on today, Yes.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
I do, I try all the time.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
In What most people don't understand about Islam is that
it is one of the three revealed religions that is monotheistic.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
And when people.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Talk about Allah, Allah is not a proper name like
Frank or Bill. Allah simply means God. And the Muslims
believe that you that Christians and Jews are also praying
to the same exact entity. It's the same one. Adam
and Eve are mentioned in the Quran, Jesus is mentioned
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in the Qoran, Moses.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
And the Qan is their Bible.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
Yes, it's it's it is what was revealed to a
Middle Eastern trader named Mohammed, who was illiterate.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
How do they know they have the right Mohammed? Well,
that's he was. Are there a lot of Mohammas?
Speaker 2 (15:43):
There are, but that he's the reason that there are
a lot of Mohammads, just like Jesus is the reason
there are a lot of people named Jesus.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
Not Okay, go ahead.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
So all of this was the Mohammeds than there are well, it's.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
But all of this was all of the Quran was
revealed to Mohammed in around the sixth or seventh century
a d. And it was revealed to him that even
the angels that are referred to in Islam are the
same as the ones that are referred to in the
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Bible and in the copyright infringement in some ways. And
so when we when we talk about this, we're talking
about the Muslims believe that Islam is merely a refinement
of Christianity. It's a refinement of Judaism, and it's not
a different religion.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Now, Dave Chappelle did tell us it was very quick.
It was it was a drive by. He said, he's Muslim.
I'm pretty sure I heard him say that. I'm gonna
double check that, but I thought I heard him say
that the other night in the show I did mention
you've already forgotten. I went down to Yellows Brings some
friends and saw Dave Chappelle and some up and coming
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comedians that were fantastic. Get a chance to get on
Yellow Springs. Go see the Chappelle Show.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Go ahead.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
So the difference though with with with Islam and Christianity
and Judaism is that in Christianity there is a built
in how do I want to say directive that church
and state need to be separate. You look at the
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words of Christ, and Christ said, you know, give to
Caesar what is Caesar? Give to God? What is God?
He also said, my kingdom is not of this earth.
My kingdom is up in heaven. So don't come to
me and want me to lead you and be your
president and all of that sort of thing. And Christ
would also say Christianity is not about voting in Christian beliefs,
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so that the government can take care of the poor
and the wretched.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It's it's an individual responsibility. You you are directing. Now,
you're over the target for me out now, okay.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
So the purpose of it when we talk about Judeo
Christian principles being the foundation for the operating system of
the government, we are saying what.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well, the biggest principle is that it is a secular government.
And there is where we vary from Islam. Islam promotes
a theocracy rather than a secular government.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
What does history tell us general?
Speaker 3 (18:33):
If you know what does history tell us, what did
history tell our founders about the dangers of weaving religion
into your political operating system.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, what you're going to do at that point is
you're going to lose an important freedom. Most of the
people who came here to the colonies as it was
at the time, were trying to escape a government in
England which had a state religion. It was called the
Anglican Church, and it was basically a Catholic church without
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any allegious allegiance to the pope. So they wanted to
practice religion the way they wanted to practice religion, and
they didn't see it as a government function, and those
who regarded it as a government function were a danger
to them. But unfortunately, in the Islamic community, there is
a tendency to want to incorporate the Islamic religion into
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the government, which has always been a traditional no no
for us.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
So when you bring religion into your government, then, which
is whole purpose separating church and state by definition, you're
going to have the curtailment of individual freedoms, particularly for
those who do not adhere to that dominant religion.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Right.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
That is true, and this is where Protestants broke off
from the Catholic Church. America became the place where you
could practice your religion freely. That now, what a appears
to be the case is is the Muslim communities that
are landing here, putting roots down, being neighborly, providing services.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
Uh, they're you know, they're everywhere.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
I've had many positive experiences with what I'm presume to
be Muslims. But there's something else there and that there
there's a there. There is what we're going to talk
about next. All right, welcome back to General and I
are talking about the rise of Islam in America and
(20:40):
the rise of Islam.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Specifically in the heart land.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
We now are saying we've seen is Muslim Muslims in Congress.
Speaker 1 (20:51):
Is there a Muslim in the Senate? Maybe can't be?
Speaker 3 (20:55):
Can look that up if they're a Muslim in the Senate?
Was Barack Obama Muslim?
Speaker 2 (21:01):
He regarded himself as a Christian. He went to that
pastor Wrights Church.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I think that was a little bit too late.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
That's kind of like my client's apologizing on the day
of sentencing to the victim. You kind of go in
there and say the right things.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
It's hard to tell what a leftist is really.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
I'm starting to do some more research on Obama on
where he came from. Now, our last show, I'll tell you,
I think our last show was one of our most
listened to shows, campy, most downloaded shows. Sorry, General. And
we talked about the Democrat Party.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
In the mid eighties had an.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Existential crisis, just like they have now. Thirty of the
thirty four preceding years leading up to Clinton in the
White House was a Republican. Reagan was so powerful, popular,
doing all the right things. We really didn't need a
Democrat party.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Oh, Reagan used to be a Democrat.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
And the Democrat Leadership Council said, we need to come
up with a third way. They literally called it a
third way. And it opened the door to the young
Democrats in the party. Down ticket and see who let's
pit these people against each other. You had Al Gore,
(22:28):
Joe Biden, John Kerry, and Bill Clinton. Now, the last
show got a lot of attention because we brought out
some facts. Young Bill Clinton was a Bill Clinton is
a very very smart man, true hard stop, very smart,
(22:49):
very charismatic. Number two leaves Arkansas to he goes to
Ivy Leagues, Rhodes Scholarship, to Oxford, comes back Ivy League
Law Yale, and then I believe so, and then does
what Obama did at the same time, which is turned
(23:14):
down all those great jobs on Wall Street, those great
federal clerkship jobs, those jobs. If you have that resume,
being a father of college kids and one recent college graduate,
if my son's resume said Ivy League, Rhodes Scholar, Oxford.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
But we don't know where exactly he graduated in the
order of great talking about Clinton, I know, we don't
know that he graduated in the top five percent of
his class.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
No matter, I see this pedigree on the papers right
on his resume. If I see this on my son's resume,
and I'm like, hey, buddy, I'm tired of supporting you.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
I'm glad you're doing well.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I've got these giant tuition bills because those are very
expensive schools.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
We're from Little Rock, Arkansas.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I'd like you to go take that job in Wall Street,
go to that big law firm in Wall Street. Now
now I think I'm going to go back to Arkansas.
Run for Congress nineteen seventy six.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Why you want it? What? What? All? Right? So that's
what he does, goes back, runs.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
For Congress seventy six, comes to Tony It becomes governor,
and he's governor all through the eighties when that giant
sucking sound of American jobs as globalization took over, and
right down the road, right down the road, apiece was
a little company called Walmart, and Tyson Foods as well, Tyson.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Foods and all these all these things.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
And Bill Clinton then gets invited to Builderberg conference in
ninety one, gets a cherry interview spot on sixty Minutes
following the Super Bowl where he is permitted to rehabilitate
his image with pure softball. So now you've got to
look at who runs sixty minutes, Who runs the Now
it's paramount. They're getting sued, they're writing big checks, but
(25:03):
it's the alliance between.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
The power and the media.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
And Bill Clinton comes along the same thing that happened
with Obama. He bounces back after this incredible educational upbringing
and pedigree ivy UH and IVY League, and then goes
back to Chicago to be a community activist, run for.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Politics and state Senate. They yes, State Senate.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
What what I what I what I see with where
Clinton came from, where Obama came from. It seemed like
there was some long term planning and grooming find your horses.
And I believe Zohan A. Mom Dani is in the
same line as Clinton Obama where you look down and
(25:58):
maybe I'm sure the Republicans have done the same thing.
They look down stream or look upstream, they go who
do we have up there that we can get a
hold of and mold and get into federal politics.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
They've got all the things.
Speaker 3 (26:13):
And what I would like to talk about, either in
the remainder of this show or the next show, is
if that's the playbook, if that's the twenty for the
late twentieth century, twenty first century playbook, then we need
to be the Judeo Christian need to.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Be looking who do we build? Where?
Speaker 3 (26:31):
What states are they from? Where do they go to school?
What are what ideas do we want them to have?
Because we are now in a tremendous battles coming here
on the direction of this country for the next two
hundred and fifty years. With the Muslim the religion of
Islam growing very quickly, and it started at the universities.
(26:58):
I believe my opinion, they're not here to learn or teach,
They're here to colonize and take over. That could be
viewed as right wing hyperbole. That could be viewed as wow,
(27:19):
that's very realistic.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Well, keep in mind that one of the things that
allowed Islam to expand as quickly as it did in
the Middle East was this concept they had called dinma,
which is that when you went into an area and
you took it over militarily, and they were a bunch
of Christians or a bunch of Jews in the area,
(27:41):
these Christians and Jews were regarded as people of the book.
In other words, they believed many of the things that
you believed. They were wrong according to the Muslim tradition,
but they were sincerely wrong. They would not be forced
to convert to Islam. So long as they accepted the
Islamic rulers. They were free to practice their own religions
(28:04):
of Christianity and Judaism within their own areas of occupation.
And so you would have these pockets of Jews and
Christians throughout, but they were not an oppressed community. No
one was trying to force them to convert, And so
it's a lot easier to spread your religion when you
(28:24):
make exceptions to those who believe many of the same
things that you do.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Isn't easier to spread your ideology cloaked in religion. Didn't
the British do this? Didn't the French do this Catholicism?
Hasn't this already been done? Hasn't this playbook.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Already been rolled out?
Speaker 3 (28:47):
We're taking Didn't we do this to the indigenous people here?
Did we not attempt to convert them to Christianity?
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Many people tried to convert them to Christianity, but it
was not a paid government program.
Speaker 1 (29:02):
Didn't we do this in Vietnam? And we do this with.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
UH in Africa? You have missionaries, You have Christian missionaries
all across the.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
World, notaid, not paid for, not paid for by a government.
Speaker 3 (29:13):
What happens, Well, I'm not I'm not willing to go there.
I think there is some handholding. But I do believe
that the entry point for UH, the the rise of
Islam in the United States. I do believe the entry
point is and this should be no surprise. Colombia, Harvard, Stanford, Princeton, Yale,
(29:40):
University of Chicago, Penn. Did I say Columbia, Did I
say Columbia. Did I say Columbia. They're replacing American faculty,
They're replacing American staff quote American with the international student enrollment.
And we know that you can sell seats. You can
sell seats to the highest bidder. The highest bidders are
(30:02):
in the Middle East, and there's a lot of oil
money in there. And if you can do some easy
research in.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
FIRS World money in Texas though, too.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
You can find out how much money has been given
by Middle Eastern countries to these esteemed air quote universities.
But let's not forget. Harvard was established to promote and
(30:31):
protect the Christian faith. Yale the New Light Presbyterians to
train ministers. Columbia established as King's College by royal charter
of one of the Georgia's These are white, Christian, heterosexual
based universities. And the motivation behind these schools was a
(30:55):
belief in commitment to Judeo Christian values. We're on a
COI courses, all right, welcome back to for the defense
the American people with Brad Kafel.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
And the General and and Children Automotive Group.
Speaker 3 (31:13):
Thank you. We're talking about this religion that is laying
down roots the religion of Islam, and the followers of
Islam are Muslim. That's right, and we are seeing an
emergence of very of popularism.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Islamic populism is coming. Now. Let me let me. I
think it's very important.
Speaker 3 (31:34):
We know through the centuries that to get in power,
you get in power through brute force, or then you
get in power through through enlightenment. Through this democratic process,
you have an the operating code. The Constitution is based
upon Judeo Christian principles, the Judeo Christian principles of our
(31:57):
founding documents soon med what general.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
One of the things that they assumed was separation of
church and state, the risk being the risk being that
you would not be able to practice your religion freely
if the government were to adopt one religion over another.
Speaker 3 (32:15):
And when you bring in religion, it triggers the First Amendment.
It also makes a lot in America. You've got to
widen the aperture. The moment someone says, I'm practicing this
is a religious headwear, this is a religious symbol. You
got to step back and you got to give more leeway.
But what happens when a political ideology or an economic model,
(32:43):
wraps itself in religion and enters your universities under the
banner of socialism. So let's take, for instance, a lot
of younger people are appreciating the quote benefits of socialism,
and they don't they're not paying attention to or have
not necessarily experienced or been taught the downsides of socialism.
(33:07):
But socialism the idea was a reflection of the industrialization,
the industrial age, and the disproportionate economic impact on the
people from the capitalists that were building the factories and
hiring the workers and creating the hours and.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
The the alleged disproportionate effects.
Speaker 3 (33:32):
So just as capitalism is getting started, early socialist ideas
come through labor movements, primarily through European immigrant communities, and
they land in the cities, the ports, so they're going
to of course, it makes sense they're going to land
in the ports.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
When the farmers.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
And the small business owners that are quote American, I'm
not gonna say quo the Americans and the late eighteen
hundreds and early nineteen hundreds, we had a rise of populism.
William Jennings Bryan, you know, the whole the people versus
the elite. The populaces share some of the same criticisms
(34:20):
of capitalism that socialism has. I don't want to get
too far in the weeds, but most of our countries
founding we've been it's been a tension between how much
government should be.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Deployed on the people.
Speaker 3 (34:37):
We as conservatives say, stick to the constitution. That thing
was very well thought out. It was based upon a
thousand years of what's worked, what hasn't. It took the
best of the best, dropped the worst of the best,
and said here's our constitution, and it's produced what.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
We have today. It's phenomenal.
Speaker 3 (34:58):
But we've always been We've always had to push back
on number one. First way to push back on federalist
federalism monarchy, and that's where you got your Jeffersonian republicanism.
Then we had to figure out how to deal with slavery,
and then we had to figure out how to deal
(35:19):
with the byproduct and side effects of industrial industrialization. Then
we had to figure out how to deal with Woodrow
Wilson and his desire for more socialism and international order globalism.
So we start mucking up other parts of the world,
creating political refugees, and they wind up coming back to
(35:43):
the nations that stepped in the mess to begin with,
and so we had to deal with immigration. And so
now we've got it. There's a convergence of immigration, economics,
and political theory and freedom of religion all wrapped up
in won.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And it's all zeroing in.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Now on Islam. What I'm seeing is, I'm curious what
you're saying.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
General.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
What I'm seeing is and reading about mosque construction accelerating
in America, will there be an increase in radical Islam?
Islamist America's religious landscape is undergoing a dramatic transformation. General,
I do feel as there's a resurgence of Judici Judeo
(36:34):
Christian faith, especially with the younger people, but they do
appear to be more younger liberal leaning socialists. So we
have a Christian nation facing fundamental transformation from the religion
of Islam. And what we're seeing on the news is
(36:55):
they're dangerous. Is America being colonized through sophisticated anti American,
anti Israeli propaganda. Has it infiltrated our educational system? Has
it infiltrated our government? Has it infiltrated our national security?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Institutions.
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Did our ivy leagues swing the doors wide open over
the last forty years to the point now the sacred
spots in these ivs are now growing very far away
from Judeo Christian principles. So these are American institutions that
(37:37):
cemented the superiority of American education. Yes, they were white,
they were Christian, they were heterosexual males were the founders.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
But the people teaching now.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
May not in these universities, The newer hires may not
believe in the constitution, may not believe in the American
That's my concern. So when Trump or whoever comes after
Trump says we're going to start withholding federal money from
these Unamerican institutions, what's that sound like in the sound bites?
(38:15):
Does that sound authoritarian? Does that sound fascist because that's
the way it's going to get played up or perversely?
Speaker 1 (38:24):
Or is this.
Speaker 3 (38:28):
Something that needs to be done and we need to
be able to explain to the younger generation. Look, this
isn't This is a bigger problem than just simply religious freedom.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
To me, it seems nonsense to say that because you're
withholding federal funds, you're a fascist, You're an authoritarian. Keep
the federal funding out of it, and you keep the
federal control out of it, then there's no control whatsoever.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
Is there a compatibility or an incompatibility problem in the
United States between Muslim I'm sorry, Islam and Judaism.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Only to this extent, which is that there's a tension
between freedom of religion and the establishment of a religion.
All religions want to spread as much as possible. But
in our system you can spread as much as possible.
On an individual basis. You can live your life however
you wish, but you cannot use your religion to dominate
(39:29):
others into living their lives the way you wish.
Speaker 1 (39:32):
Let me leave you with this. Let me leave you
with this.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Okay, I'm going to say this, and then I'm going
to get on a plane and I'm going to go
to England for a.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Couple weeks where they don't listen to you.
Speaker 3 (39:42):
I believe that we have some very prominent American educational
institutions Columbia that are hiring Harvard who've hired political activists
disguising them as professors to put a political agenda that land.
Speaker 1 (40:03):
With you, that is perfectly accurate.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
Should we not be looking at some of these universities
not necessarily as tax free freedom of taxation entities, but
more as taxable political action committees. I think they are
turning into political action committees.
Speaker 1 (40:26):
And they have aborted their founding principles.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Promoting of teaching future leaders the ju Jao Christian ethics
that undergird this wonderful nation.
Speaker 2 (40:40):
As Trump would say, go fund yourself before America
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