January 24, 2025 • 39 mins
The guys discuss how the political and financial elite have always wanted things done in private. Trump isn't playing that game anymore and that is the real reason for the Establshment's indigestion.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Big week in America. General, it is huge felt this
past week, huge.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Week and coming up. I'll tell you though, you look
at the Monday and it's hard to beat when you've
got Trump taking office and the Ohio State University reascending
to its rightful place a top the nation's college football kingdom.
Hard to get better than that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
For the defense of the American people. I'm Attorney Brad Kaffel.
That's the general broadcasting from the heartland, the Midwest, the
United States is coming back. The change in the in
the air, the energy. The only thing that could have
felt this before after a presidential inauguration.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
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better would be going up to Chess Run and have
gotten a free car up there.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Yeah, I don't know they're given free cars, but they
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this is for the defense of the American people. The
General and I have been doing the show since twenty
seventeen on a weekly basis. We try to talk to
ourselves and our four or five listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right now, that's weekly with two e's not an E
n and A.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
To put into context what's happening in America, in the world,
what's being asked of us, of the American people, what's
been kept from us? And really, as students of history,
constitutional conservatives, populist, economic nationalists, what made this country the
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amazing country that it is has to be preserved, conserved,
And yeah, there are things that still need to be
dealt with inequities, they're cultural issues that must be dealt with,
and that we try to spend too much time on
those things. But as those cultural issues move into the
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political sphere, then the people need to decide things. You know,
it's not for me or you to say are political,
you know the way the country ought to be. But
certainly I consider our job Monday through Friday to defend
people from the coho protect the people who are being
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investigated by the government, since we're criminal defense lawyers. But
on this show on the weekends, it's reminding the older
generation and trying to teach the younger generation the foundational
principles that cannot be compromised. They're just some things you
cannot compromise. And when we started the show in twenty seventeen,
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I was leary of Donald Trump for the same reason
everyone who's ever been leary of Donald Trump was. He
has proven to me, especially in the last year two years,
he's proven to me that he is so pod at
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the at the establishment, the elite, the military industrial complex,
the media, everything that has eventually will step on you
if it goes unchecked right, eventually, this stuff will will
step on you.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's true. It gets around.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It gets around, as all revolutionary thinking eventually does. And
but but the guy had every opportunity to bow out,
just go home, be done, retire. Mike got I don't
know where he has the energy.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, he's like he's like the sex pistols without the
safety pin through the nose. I mean, he gets in
there and says what he means. And Johnny Rotten supported him,
by the way, what you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Can say and what you and I were talking about
our way into the studio this morning. Donald Trump said
on a campaign trail exactly what he was going to do,
why he was going to do it, when he was
going to do it, and he won, and then he
did it big time. No, he's doing it right. Unlike
most politicians who say one thing on the campaign trail
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and do another and actually they are on the camp
campaign trail. They're everywhere, right, They're everywhere. They're telling you
all the negative things about their opponent. They're trying to
pump their own tires. And then they win and poof,
they're gone.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
They say one thing in Cleveland, they say another thing
in Orlando.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Poof, they're gone, and like, whoa what just happened? And
then you find out that we have major reversals on foundational.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Principles, right principles and quote the.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Just the the dichotomy on what Donald Trump is brought
to to America to the world to show this is
how it should be done. You don't have to agree
with him, you don't have to life, but man, when
he's in front of when he's in an arena signing
executive orders and tossing the pins into the.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Crowd, no one's ever done that before.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
When he's in the Oval office signing executive orders that
are being handed to him with explanations, and he's taken
the hostile media there, which is getting smaller.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And it's not explanations to him, it's explanations to the
people of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The rest of the world put him on notice, like look,
this is why we're doing this. And here's the thing.
If you don't like what Donald Trump is doing, then
the beauty of our system is, well, he can't rerun.
But the beauty the system is the president has to
come up every four years. Congressmen and women who are
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in control of the money, they come up for vote
every two years.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And if you don't like it, you can leave for
the fifty first state of Canada.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But we need to know. We need to know why
you're doing what you're doing. We need to know we
had it. We just absolutely the people need to see
so because otherwise you wind up adding a whole new
element of distrust overclassification. We were talking again before the
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show with Mike Elliott, where are the JFK files? What
are we going to find in the JFK files the
moment Kennedy was assassinated and then the Warrant Commission was
comprised mainly of people that were probably in it and
on it to begin with, And we're still have thousands
and thousands of page What does that make the American
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people think?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What are you hiding with? Wins just a simple thing
that acted alone.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Someone took out a president and or a group of
people took out a president and there are people that
know and they won't tell the people. We're still waiting
for this now. I mentioned our last show, General. I
believe there's a speech that everyone need to go back
and watch on the youtubess and it's jfk speech Summer
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of sixty three. It's probably the speech that got him
killed or at least sealed his fate. And that's when
he gave the commencement address at American University and told
the world that he and Khrushchev are going to work together.
That he and Khrushchev had already been speaking. There was
a middle man going back and forth, and.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Somebody in the State Department said, huh.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Kennedy was not signing on with this new Pentagon cabal.
He's like, I'm just not going to do it. And
then some of the funky things happened in addition to
Kennedy getting assassinated. I what Trump's doing, and after the break,
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we're gonna we're gonna just talk a little bit about
historical context and why what Donald Trump is doing and
the response from the opposition party this new wig, this
is the new Wig Party. The twenty what century on.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The twenty first century, twenty first century, the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Twenty first century Whig Party is emerging more on that
after the break, I'm Brad Kaffel. That is the general
support our singular sponsor, Chess Run automoti group. I know
the General wants to talk about birthright citizenship, and we're
going to get into that because that will go to
the Supreme Court. That's going to be a hot, hot
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button issue. That is the potential to be abortion light
issue for the Republican Party as well as this fool
that just put out some legislation suggesting that Trump be
allowed to run for a third term.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I don't think Trump wants a third person's.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We do need to talk about birthright citizenship. But before
we get into that what Trump's doing, Americans must see
it all the president. If our president is signing something,
I want someone to tell us and him what he's signing.
I think we had a little problem with Joe Biden
signing things they didn't know necessarily, No.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
They didn't tell Joe much less us.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
But we need when the president is signing something that
you know, not just just a little procedural things, but
something substantive, then we need the press in the Oval office.
We need an explanation of what it is. Tell him
what it is, make sure he understands what the hell
he's signing. And then if we have more questions, there
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needs to be a place where where we can get
more information on it without having to use chat, GPT
the other things.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
What you're now seeing is Trump is turning off the
the indirect bribery Spickett that's been a direct bribery of
federal officials has been going, has been illegal forever, but
now we have But but now what's happening is Trump
has turned the valve off for the establishment. He's now saying, nah,
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if the World Health Organization was charging, if I heard
this right, the who was charging in the United States
five hundred million dollars and China only thirty six million.
Is it possible that the people on behalf of America
that agreed to these terms may have found unbelievable financial
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benefits somewhere on the other side of agreeing to this stuff.
That's one example.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
This group is so bad they even stole the name
of my favorite rock group.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So direct bribery is illegal, But there's a lot of
gray area and we're going to learn a lot about
how it's done, and the most recent examples are going
to be Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, and I think Obama,
the Clinton's and and I'll throw this out there, what
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happened to Jared Kushner. I think that they. I think
ultimately we may discover that Jared was trading in on
influence and they moved him along. It's an opinion speculation,
but we know that a lot of the policies. We
now know beyond a shadow of doubt that Joe Biden
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will break the law. He will do things that he
knows well. The people around him know that's a bad idea,
like pardoning his entire family. He's will to pardon his
entire family because fill in the blank.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well they need it is number one.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And they were running basically a retail fraud store where yeah,
that's all it was. That's what all those little companies did.
That's what Jim Biden was doing. The guy never built
a house in his life, and now he's got a
contract to build him all over Iraq. You know, Hunter Biden,
you know, suddenly becomes a member of the board of Barisma,
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in Ukraine, even though he doesn't speak the language and
has never spent a day at on oil.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, take care of my kids, you know, on a
smaller scale, right, And and I know that a lot
of you know, a lot of communities, your connected communities.
The kid graduating from college wants an internship. Mom or
dad calls their friend mom or dad that has a business, Hey,
can you get my son or daughter over there. Connections
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and merit and d I have nothing to do with it.
It's who you know. You know, here we are fighting
about de I and meritocracy. But at the end of
the day, there's a fast pass and it's the connected
crew and you d dB I just just what's that?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Uh, diversity, Biden and inclusion.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So yeah, that's that's the way it's done. And you
at the federal level, we've talked about the American military
is the the most valuable asset that you can have
on your side, the US Treasury, the United States, the President,
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some senators, some key senators. This is not hard to
identify on the chess board. China, Russia, other countries. It's
not hard to identify on the chess board who you
need to be talking to and then you know how
to work around the direct bribery statutes to get other
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people taken care of for the person who's going to
be making the decision that will re route billions or
trillions of dollars to your industry, to your corporation, to
your country. Now, if this American money is going to
your country, and you're a country like Ukraine that has
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historically been one of the most corrupt nations period, that
money is not going down to the Ukrainian people.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
As corrupt as as the women are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So let me draw analgae here. You have a judge
that sits back in chambers, you never see him or her.
He or she delegates everything to their bailiff, their secretary,
their staff attorney. Then it's a lot easier to get
things moved around, and the judge doesn't really know what's
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going on. And when you have a judge in the
courtroom on the bench and does everything on the record
and wants to hear from both sides, and there's a
court reporter there, and there's a local reporter there, and
there's a live internet feed there, you can't pull a
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many shenanigans. You can't pull any Shenanigans. And you know
where you find judges and courtrooms like that, small towns
and the small towns, especially your one judge town, they
do everything on the record. Why because they have to
run for their job every six years, and if there
is a hint of corruption or insider stuff, they're going
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to get run out of town. It's a lot easier
to hold your political people accountable at the local level
than in this behemoth federal leviathan. This then leads to
the true spirit of an American democracy, which was Jefferson
and Andrew Jackson, which led to Lincoln. There was a
tremendous distrust, or an ultimate distrust of concentrated power. That's
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why the political power was chopped up, chopped up, chopped.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Up, and checks and balances put upon each by other
chopped up parts.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And then you have the financial piece, the banks, the bankers,
the place where the money gets stored, the money that
gets charged interest, the money that gets lent out, the
money that they can say no, we're not lending to
you or your industry, but we're going to lend to you.
That financial power immediately was an argument by guys like
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Alexander Hamilton and Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, like now, we
don't want the financial elite in the halls of power.
And this is the whole reason why there were the
banking wars, and Andrew Jackson who became pribor first big
populace president, and candidly, I think Donald Trump and Andrew
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Jackson have a lot in common. And this Jeffersonian democracy
is a political philosophy and limited government, do it yourself
in your community, protect individual liberties. We don't want centralized
commerce driven control. We want a nation of independent, self
sufficient citizens who follow Christian principles. And you get too
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many men and women in one place for too long,
it will have a corrosive effect on this spirit of Americanism. Corruption, inequality, dependence.
They create dependence on this government. You just bribe the people.
So there's always been an opposition to elitism and monarchy,
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and the elite have always pushed back. And you can
see their pushback the marks they leave the National Bank
seventeen ninety one, the National Bank of eighteen sixteen, the
Western and Southern frontiersmen and farmers as they were following
America's manifest destiny set up by Thomas Jefferson, pushed again
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by Andrew Jackson. They went out west and they didn't
have access to the gold like it was in the East.
They were finding silver. They wanted the silver stand like,
let's do silver, let us pay our DUTs in silver.
Let banks hold silver as a reserve for loans to
US frontiersmen, farmers, small business owners. So what do they do.
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The elites formed a party called the Whig Party, and
they said no gold standard only. And then you had
rise of guys like William Jennings Bryant who gave that
phenomenal speech in eighteen ninety six and said the elite
are crushing the American people on a cross of gold
on across the goal, right and then and then real quick,
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that was eighteen ninety six. And then by nineteen thirteen,
the elite had the monopoly on the money with the
Federal Reserve, and they were successful in the same year
passing an amendment allowing them to tax the American people
directly on the income tax. And we were told we
weren't going into World War One, and we went up
in World War One. So in general, I just want
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to wrap up that our last thought from the last
segment There's always been a cushion pull between the are
older than the republic, between the men and I'll say
men now because it wasn't men at the time. The
men who wanted centralized control, they wanted financial control, and
they knew best on how to run the country. And
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you had your guys like Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Jimmy Madison,
Andrew Jackson. They're like no, and those men won their presidents.
I mean they ran the country all the you know
jacksonuntil eighteen thirty eight. And the American spirit, that manifest destiny,
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that do it yourself, take care of each other, the
Christian revivalism of trying to follow the Christian principles you
don't need government to we will self regulate. Yeah, there
are sins that we're going to try to atone for
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and fix. Well. The elites won out once they got
control of the money, the gold, the gold standard, the
Federal Reserve, the come tax, the draft. Speaking out against
the war in World War One led to them passing
a law that's still in the books from nineteen seventeen,
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and you went to prison if you spoke out against
the draft or discouraged people from sending their kids to
the war. The Federal Reserve was set up to protect
us from these panics rushes on the banks, and it
was exact opposite. It gave a small group of men
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a monopoly on what was gold and now just pieces
of paper. They control it like the beer's controls diamonds.
And the proof that this was a major problem was
with the Great Depression. The FED was set up to
keep that from happening, supposedly, and as a result, the
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government and FDR stepped in and started bailing out, created jobs,
stimulated the accomo to me, and then lengthened the depression,
and you know, and you had the very first conservative,
modern conservative movement, a guy by name of Robert Taft,
Senator Taft, who was opposed all this. You can read
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if you want, if you're that much of a nerd,
you can talk about you can go back and see
what Senator Taft from Ohio was saying. Extremely influential the
late nineteen thirties or early nineteen forties, warned America exactly
what was happening, rise of an administrative state, welfare state.
And once you put these once you put us on
the government teat you're not going to be able. Once
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the people latch on, you're not going to be able
to decouple them. And after World War Two, who picked
up on this was Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan. And then
we had the misfires of Vietnam. We had the major
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misfires of big money, big business taking their manufacturing to Asia,
gutting out the American economy, and Ronald Reagan returned. Ronald
Reagan came back after being California governor, wins in eighty
wins I'm party, wins in eighty, win's in eighty four.
And then we get stuck with the neo cons and
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your George H. W. Bush's, your Wolfelwitz is your Cheney's.
And then the Great Financial Crisis and the bailout of
the banks but not the people.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And you see all of the industrial production moving offshore.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And the tea Party, Donald Trump, Maga. It's a through line, guys.
You can trace what's happening with Maga this week, Donald Trump,
the way he's doing things this week, all the way
back to the way Jefferson and the first fifty years
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of the country.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I would argue that Trump is not doing things, He's
undoing things. Yeah, getting things undack to the way they were.
Now we talk about secrets and corruption. Let's talk for
a second about the Fuci. Right we are during COVID.
This is when we start to lose our minds. You
and I and many.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Others were very curious about where this virus came from.
And it certainly seemed to the logical person that there's
a lab in Wuhan, China called called what I think
it's called the COVID release Lab exactly. So Fauci's pardon
goes back to twenty fourteen. Everything that is coming out
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now for head scratchers on why Fauci got a pardon
back to fourteen. We said in twenty twenty as the
stuff we were reading that we believed in, we didn't
know anything. We just followed common sense. Four was the
year the National Institute of Health had a three year
pause on gain of function research. It was the Obama
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administration three year pause on gain of function research in
the US. I remember talking to a couple of Democrat
friends of mine just just a couple of years ago.
This is two years into COVID, and they had no
idea what gain of function research was. They're CNN New
York Times readers. Twenty fourteen was the year that uh
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there were reports that Fauci funded the Eco Health Alliance
to outsource gain of function research to Wuhan, China.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's where that Dashik fellow comes in, yep uh.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I'm sure there are other didn't other labs out there?
And that research leaked in twenty nineteen causing the coronavirus pandemic,
then Fauci has to work to begin the cover ups.
It's been reported that he created a personal Gmail account
to evade Freedom of Information Act requests exactly, and then
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didn't he get everything wrong in the pandemic? Cloth masks,
closing kids' schools, locking down everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Six feet, all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
No one wanted to talk about natural immunity. No one
wanted to have serious debates about vaccines and vaccine mandates.
Why do you make so many errors? And then he
lies to Congress about that in twenty twenty, Yes he
funded gain of function research. Yes, he knew that it
was illegal, and then he changed the definition a gain
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of function to something else to provide false aentwers to Congress.
There are a lot of reports out now about this.
This is why Fauci got a pardon. Get him back
in Congress again and ask him if he funded Gain
of Function research and the pardon. He can't sit on
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his fifth Amendment. He's got to tell the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And if he says he didn't, now he's just committed something,
a crime that he had not been yet pardoned for.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And I want Joe Biden in there because he didn't
pardon himself. We now need to know what exactly the
Bidens were doing, how many millions of dollars they were
making for China and Ukraine Hunter Biden, like you mentioned
Chinese companies Ukrainian entities while Biden was Vice president. I
want to know more about Mitch McConnell and China. Mitch
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McConnell has connections through his wife, Elaine Chow, whose family
runs a major shipping business strong ties to the Chinese
Communist Party.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Now, to be fair to Midge, he did just vote
for Klochure on the Hegxath vote so that they could
not filibuster him.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I do have concerns about Zuckbucks, Bezos, elon You know,
I don't like again I see these these these billionaires
up there with Trump at the inauguration. We just need
to keep an eye on these folks, right. Uh, these
are not these are not died in the wool. They're
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not died in the wool like the rest of us. Uh,
we just need to keep an eye on now, we know.
You know, it's like, look, he could have hot heead
zuck Bucks and Bezos. He put him out there. He's
just gonna put it all out there. Let us know.
Let us be the jury. We let juries decide everything,
death penalty, medical malpractice cases, you know, Uh, defamation, we
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let juries decide the American people. We'll figure it out.
And the one benefit of being a trial lawyer is
I firmly believe that juries get get it right. So
let the people know. Let the people know. And I
like what Trump's doing. He wants to have you know,
what I see developing is the Trump doctrine, which is
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this western hemisphere, We're protecting everybody from Greenland to Argentina.
Everyone get in line. This is very much the Monroe
doctrine with the Roosevelt corollary and Mexico, Canada, Panama Canal.
You're ripping us off on trade, immigration, defense, spending, and
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the American leaders up to now have done nothing to
stop them. Why they're getting something in return? No more.
It's always gonna have been about their national interests, not
their interests, not the interest of the American people. The
American people need to know where we're getting gouged and
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fix that stuff. Let's do what you wanna talk.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
About the birthright citizens birth rights.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Citizenship after break, all right, General, let's step into this.
This will be a very very kind reversual in dividing
issue at the dinner table, birthright citizenship. So Trump signs
an executive order stating that citizenship is not automatically extended
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to persons born in the United States in two circumstances.
If the person's mother was a lawfully present the United
States and the father was not a United States citizen
or a lawful permanent resident at the time of birth,
or that person's mother's presence was lawful but temporary, such
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as a student or work visa or a tourist visa,
and the father is not a United States citizen or
lawful resident. You say good or do you what you're
forget about that? What's going on here? I've always thought
that if a baby's born in the US on American soil.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
They're American, and that's what we've been taught by our
betters in the mainstream. What people don't understand is that
the Constitution sets a floor of your rights regarding citizenship,
but Congress can always add to that. Congress could say
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everyone who was born in Portugal is now a US citizen,
and as long as that was passed by Congress and
signed by the President, that could become law, and we
would have a bunch of Portuguese citizens here speaking Portuguese.
It doesn't mean that because the Constitution doesn't say that
that Congress can't do something extra. Okay, what the Constitution
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did was set a floor with the fourteenth Amendment, and
it said that you have a right without with or
without Congress, you have a right to be a citizen
if you were born in this country and conjunctive subject
to the jurisdiction of this country. Now, that is what
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the Democrats never want you to hear. That's what the
left never wants you to hear.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
That's what the New York to the jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
What do you mean? What I mean is you're not
subject to some other country and and you have no
loyalty to them. So if another someone from another country
comes across and has a baby, citizenship follows the parents.
It always has. And if that country comes in and
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starts to say to the US, hey, you need to
send our citizens back. We'd like to extradite these people
blah blah blah, then the US would send them back
that they.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Not have constitutional protections the moment you cross into the
United States, and if you're illegal, do you not have
constitutional protections? No?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
What what you have is is the due process right,
or what I should say, the equal protection right that
the fourteenth Amendment gives you. But it's a it's a
much more minimal right than what Americans have. And the
issue there is that the reason that they put that
Fourteenth Amendment clause in there about being born in the
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country was not about people from China coming over here
and being born here. It's not about Mexicans coming across
the Rio Grande and being born here. What it was
about was Southern States trying to say that black people
are not citizens and trying to say, we're going to
cut that argument off at the knees. If you were
born here and subject to the jurisdiction of this country,
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if a black person is born subject yourself no to
the laws of America. If a black person before was
born in eighteen sixty one, before the fourteenth Amendment even
came out, they were subject to the jurisdiction of this country,
and this country only. No other country could come in
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and say, wait a minute, that black person is a
subject of Ghana, or as a subject of Kenya, or
as a subject of Ireland. It doesn't matter. They were
born here. They were subject to our jurisdiction entirely. No
Southern state after the Civil War was over and after
the fourteenth, thirteen, fourteen to fifteenth Amendments were passed, can
now say, oh, well, they're not really citizens. That is
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what this was all about. It was never about other people,
other citizens of other countries coming in here and having children.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Right, Look, if a stranger or a traveler passing through
or temporarily residing on student visa and not been naturalized,
does every nation have a moral duty to make sure
that everyone who here is here has an allegiance to
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our government, not another government.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
We don't need to worry about that they're not here
on a subject to our jurisdiction. The Congress can.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Pass let me ask you, what's the problem from this
perspective on simply saying if you're born here, you're a
United States citizen.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
The problem is that you get birthright tourism, you get
people coming in here.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And not if we're controlling immigration anymore, Well, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Actually, for instance, look at the martial artist Bruce Lee.
His parents were part of a Chinese traveling acrobat group
who came to San Francisco when he would just before
he was born. His mother gave birth to him in
San Francisco. Three or four days later they left to
go back to Shanghai, but that gave him American citizenship. Now,
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if the Congress wants to pass a law that says
that anybody who is born in the confines of the
United States, regardless of their parent citizenship, is a US citizen,
they're free to do so. But they don't have that
right right.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Is there is there an American interest in promoting and
endorsing the argument that merely being born on our soil
to a mother who is not a United States citizen
or is here illegally, does the United States have a
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national interest in saying, sorry, that doesn't automatically qualify you
as a citizen. And if so, why, why is that
in our national interest?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You're confusing constitutional rights with national interests. If there is
a national interest in doing that, then Congress has the
ability to pass a law to enforce our national interest
in that. But what these people who come here and
have their children don't have is a right to have
their children become Americans.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
We it's in the Constitution. It's the citizenship clause of
the fourteenth of Mini, subject to the jurisdiction, and the
subject to jurisdiction has never been defined by the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It actually has.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
My question is my question is you need to be
would explain to the younger generation. And I don't have
an opinion on this yet. Why simply being born in
the United States to a foreign mother doesn't automatically make
you an American citizen.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Name another country where that happens, England. That's it, all right, exactly.
I'm not sure there's more. There's one hundred and eighty
eight countries on the planet. There's two that have what's
called birthright solase or whatever they call that.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Do. What we need to be talking about is what
where did this come from? We understand now it came
from as a result of civil war and trying to
protect the rights of African Americans. It's going to be
a moral issue that's going to be easily confused. It's
going to be it's going to be easily used to
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confuse America and especially conservatives and especially conservative parents with
their kids and grandkids, because I have to believe that
the majority may be totally wrong, but I have to
believe the majority of younger generation is going to find
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this executive order to be cruel. And we need to
be able to articulate why we have this policy and
why we have this Why the why the Fourteenth Amendment
citizenship clause includes this group of dreamers.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Right, It doesn't. It's not a policy. The policy is
something that gets voted.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
What is the now the Supreme Court is going to
have to decide whether or not subject to its jurisdiction.
Was intended to exclude children born of foreign mothers, right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And it was intended to include people who were subject
to the United States jurisdiction. That's the plane reading of
the statute was always the plane reading of the statute.
All but no.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
America has been under the impression for for over one
hundred years that if you're born here, you're a citizen here.
Birthright citizenship. Again, that's been the policy. You're saying the
Constitution never said policy is wrong compared to the concution.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'm not saying the policy is wrong. I'm saying that
a policy has nothing to do with it the policy.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
If it's not if it's not accurate, then what is it.
It's a policy we have had. We have been under
the impression that birthright citizenship is constitutional.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
You've been mistaught that.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yes, that's been a policy. It's been in violation. You're
saying it's been education. You've been saying it's been in
violation of the United States Constitution for years. Right, I'm
just saying we we Look, they can't vote, they can't
possess guns, their parents a lawful entry the United States
was itself a federal offense. God forbid. We had a
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foreign army here that took over part of the country,
and and uh, they had kids here. I mean, there
are reasons. I'm not why we need to end this,
but I think we need to articulate it much better
than we're currently doing.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
In a statute
Speaker 1 (39:16):
M
Big week in America. General, it is huge felt this
past week, huge.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Week and coming up. I'll tell you though, you look
at the Monday and it's hard to beat when you've
got Trump taking office and the Ohio State University reascending
to its rightful place a top the nation's college football kingdom.
Hard to get better than that.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
For the defense of the American people. I'm Attorney Brad Kaffel.
That's the general broadcasting from the heartland, the Midwest, the
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Speaker 2 (01:18):
Right now, that's weekly with two e's not an E
n and A.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
To put into context what's happening in America, in the world,
what's being asked of us, of the American people, what's
been kept from us? And really, as students of history,
constitutional conservatives, populist, economic nationalists, what made this country the
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amazing country that it is has to be preserved, conserved,
And yeah, there are things that still need to be
dealt with inequities, they're cultural issues that must be dealt with,
and that we try to spend too much time on
those things. But as those cultural issues move into the
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political sphere, then the people need to decide things. You know,
it's not for me or you to say are political,
you know the way the country ought to be. But
certainly I consider our job Monday through Friday to defend
people from the coho protect the people who are being
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investigated by the government, since we're criminal defense lawyers. But
on this show on the weekends, it's reminding the older
generation and trying to teach the younger generation the foundational
principles that cannot be compromised. They're just some things you
cannot compromise. And when we started the show in twenty seventeen,
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I was leary of Donald Trump for the same reason
everyone who's ever been leary of Donald Trump was. He
has proven to me, especially in the last year two years,
he's proven to me that he is so pod at
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the at the establishment, the elite, the military industrial complex,
the media, everything that has eventually will step on you
if it goes unchecked right, eventually, this stuff will will
step on you.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
That's true. It gets around.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
It gets around, as all revolutionary thinking eventually does. And
but but the guy had every opportunity to bow out,
just go home, be done, retire. Mike got I don't
know where he has the energy.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Well, he's like he's like the sex pistols without the
safety pin through the nose. I mean, he gets in
there and says what he means. And Johnny Rotten supported him,
by the way, what you.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Can say and what you and I were talking about
our way into the studio this morning. Donald Trump said
on a campaign trail exactly what he was going to do,
why he was going to do it, when he was
going to do it, and he won, and then he
did it big time. No, he's doing it right. Unlike
most politicians who say one thing on the campaign trail
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and do another and actually they are on the camp
campaign trail. They're everywhere, right, They're everywhere. They're telling you
all the negative things about their opponent. They're trying to
pump their own tires. And then they win and poof,
they're gone.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
They say one thing in Cleveland, they say another thing
in Orlando.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Poof, they're gone, and like, whoa what just happened? And
then you find out that we have major reversals on foundational.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Principles, right principles and quote the.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Just the the dichotomy on what Donald Trump is brought
to to America to the world to show this is
how it should be done. You don't have to agree
with him, you don't have to life, but man, when
he's in front of when he's in an arena signing
executive orders and tossing the pins into the.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Crowd, no one's ever done that before.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
When he's in the Oval office signing executive orders that
are being handed to him with explanations, and he's taken
the hostile media there, which is getting smaller.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
And it's not explanations to him, it's explanations to the
people of what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
The rest of the world put him on notice, like look,
this is why we're doing this. And here's the thing.
If you don't like what Donald Trump is doing, then
the beauty of our system is, well, he can't rerun.
But the beauty the system is the president has to
come up every four years. Congressmen and women who are
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in control of the money, they come up for vote
every two years.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
And if you don't like it, you can leave for
the fifty first state of Canada.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
But we need to know. We need to know why
you're doing what you're doing. We need to know we
had it. We just absolutely the people need to see
so because otherwise you wind up adding a whole new
element of distrust overclassification. We were talking again before the
(06:15):
show with Mike Elliott, where are the JFK files? What
are we going to find in the JFK files the
moment Kennedy was assassinated and then the Warrant Commission was
comprised mainly of people that were probably in it and
on it to begin with, And we're still have thousands
and thousands of page What does that make the American
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people think?
Speaker 2 (06:39):
What are you hiding with? Wins just a simple thing
that acted alone.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Someone took out a president and or a group of
people took out a president and there are people that
know and they won't tell the people. We're still waiting
for this now. I mentioned our last show, General. I
believe there's a speech that everyone need to go back
and watch on the youtubess and it's jfk speech Summer
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of sixty three. It's probably the speech that got him
killed or at least sealed his fate. And that's when
he gave the commencement address at American University and told
the world that he and Khrushchev are going to work together.
That he and Khrushchev had already been speaking. There was
a middle man going back and forth, and.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Somebody in the State Department said, huh.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Kennedy was not signing on with this new Pentagon cabal.
He's like, I'm just not going to do it. And
then some of the funky things happened in addition to
Kennedy getting assassinated. I what Trump's doing, and after the break,
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we're gonna we're gonna just talk a little bit about
historical context and why what Donald Trump is doing and
the response from the opposition party this new wig, this
is the new Wig Party. The twenty what century on.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
The twenty first century, twenty first century, the.
Speaker 1 (08:04):
Twenty first century Whig Party is emerging more on that
after the break, I'm Brad Kaffel. That is the general
support our singular sponsor, Chess Run automoti group. I know
the General wants to talk about birthright citizenship, and we're
going to get into that because that will go to
the Supreme Court. That's going to be a hot, hot
(08:24):
button issue. That is the potential to be abortion light
issue for the Republican Party as well as this fool
that just put out some legislation suggesting that Trump be
allowed to run for a third term.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I don't think Trump wants a third person's.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
We do need to talk about birthright citizenship. But before
we get into that what Trump's doing, Americans must see
it all the president. If our president is signing something,
I want someone to tell us and him what he's signing.
I think we had a little problem with Joe Biden
signing things they didn't know necessarily, No.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
They didn't tell Joe much less us.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
But we need when the president is signing something that
you know, not just just a little procedural things, but
something substantive, then we need the press in the Oval office.
We need an explanation of what it is. Tell him
what it is, make sure he understands what the hell
he's signing. And then if we have more questions, there
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needs to be a place where where we can get
more information on it without having to use chat, GPT
the other things.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
Here.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
What you're now seeing is Trump is turning off the
the indirect bribery Spickett that's been a direct bribery of
federal officials has been going, has been illegal forever, but
now we have But but now what's happening is Trump
has turned the valve off for the establishment. He's now saying, nah,
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if the World Health Organization was charging, if I heard
this right, the who was charging in the United States
five hundred million dollars and China only thirty six million.
Is it possible that the people on behalf of America
that agreed to these terms may have found unbelievable financial
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benefits somewhere on the other side of agreeing to this stuff.
That's one example.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
This group is so bad they even stole the name
of my favorite rock group.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So direct bribery is illegal, But there's a lot of
gray area and we're going to learn a lot about
how it's done, and the most recent examples are going
to be Joe Biden, Mitch McConnell, and I think Obama,
the Clinton's and and I'll throw this out there, what
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happened to Jared Kushner. I think that they. I think
ultimately we may discover that Jared was trading in on
influence and they moved him along. It's an opinion speculation,
but we know that a lot of the policies. We
now know beyond a shadow of doubt that Joe Biden
(11:09):
will break the law. He will do things that he
knows well. The people around him know that's a bad idea,
like pardoning his entire family. He's will to pardon his
entire family because fill in the blank.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Well they need it is number one.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That's crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
And they were running basically a retail fraud store where yeah,
that's all it was. That's what all those little companies did.
That's what Jim Biden was doing. The guy never built
a house in his life, and now he's got a
contract to build him all over Iraq. You know, Hunter Biden,
you know, suddenly becomes a member of the board of Barisma,
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in Ukraine, even though he doesn't speak the language and
has never spent a day at on oil.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
Well, take care of my kids, you know, on a
smaller scale, right, And and I know that a lot
of you know, a lot of communities, your connected communities.
The kid graduating from college wants an internship. Mom or
dad calls their friend mom or dad that has a business, Hey,
can you get my son or daughter over there. Connections
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and merit and d I have nothing to do with it.
It's who you know. You know, here we are fighting
about de I and meritocracy. But at the end of
the day, there's a fast pass and it's the connected
crew and you d dB I just just what's that?
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Uh, diversity, Biden and inclusion.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So yeah, that's that's the way it's done. And you
at the federal level, we've talked about the American military
is the the most valuable asset that you can have
on your side, the US Treasury, the United States, the President,
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some senators, some key senators. This is not hard to
identify on the chess board. China, Russia, other countries. It's
not hard to identify on the chess board who you
need to be talking to and then you know how
to work around the direct bribery statutes to get other
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people taken care of for the person who's going to
be making the decision that will re route billions or
trillions of dollars to your industry, to your corporation, to
your country. Now, if this American money is going to
your country, and you're a country like Ukraine that has
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historically been one of the most corrupt nations period, that
money is not going down to the Ukrainian people.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
As corrupt as as the women are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
So let me draw analgae here. You have a judge
that sits back in chambers, you never see him or her.
He or she delegates everything to their bailiff, their secretary,
their staff attorney. Then it's a lot easier to get
things moved around, and the judge doesn't really know what's
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going on. And when you have a judge in the
courtroom on the bench and does everything on the record
and wants to hear from both sides, and there's a
court reporter there, and there's a local reporter there, and
there's a live internet feed there, you can't pull a
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many shenanigans. You can't pull any Shenanigans. And you know
where you find judges and courtrooms like that, small towns
and the small towns, especially your one judge town, they
do everything on the record. Why because they have to
run for their job every six years, and if there
is a hint of corruption or insider stuff, they're going
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to get run out of town. It's a lot easier
to hold your political people accountable at the local level
than in this behemoth federal leviathan. This then leads to
the true spirit of an American democracy, which was Jefferson
and Andrew Jackson, which led to Lincoln. There was a
tremendous distrust, or an ultimate distrust of concentrated power. That's
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why the political power was chopped up, chopped up, chopped.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
Up, and checks and balances put upon each by other
chopped up parts.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
And then you have the financial piece, the banks, the bankers,
the place where the money gets stored, the money that
gets charged interest, the money that gets lent out, the
money that they can say no, we're not lending to
you or your industry, but we're going to lend to you.
That financial power immediately was an argument by guys like
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Alexander Hamilton and Jefferson and Andrew Jackson, like now, we
don't want the financial elite in the halls of power.
And this is the whole reason why there were the
banking wars, and Andrew Jackson who became pribor first big
populace president, and candidly, I think Donald Trump and Andrew
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Jackson have a lot in common. And this Jeffersonian democracy
is a political philosophy and limited government, do it yourself
in your community, protect individual liberties. We don't want centralized
commerce driven control. We want a nation of independent, self
sufficient citizens who follow Christian principles. And you get too
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many men and women in one place for too long,
it will have a corrosive effect on this spirit of Americanism. Corruption, inequality, dependence.
They create dependence on this government. You just bribe the people.
So there's always been an opposition to elitism and monarchy,
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and the elite have always pushed back. And you can
see their pushback the marks they leave the National Bank
seventeen ninety one, the National Bank of eighteen sixteen, the
Western and Southern frontiersmen and farmers as they were following
America's manifest destiny set up by Thomas Jefferson, pushed again
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by Andrew Jackson. They went out west and they didn't
have access to the gold like it was in the East.
They were finding silver. They wanted the silver stand like,
let's do silver, let us pay our DUTs in silver.
Let banks hold silver as a reserve for loans to
US frontiersmen, farmers, small business owners. So what do they do.
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The elites formed a party called the Whig Party, and
they said no gold standard only. And then you had
rise of guys like William Jennings Bryant who gave that
phenomenal speech in eighteen ninety six and said the elite
are crushing the American people on a cross of gold
on across the goal, right and then and then real quick,
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that was eighteen ninety six. And then by nineteen thirteen,
the elite had the monopoly on the money with the
Federal Reserve, and they were successful in the same year
passing an amendment allowing them to tax the American people
directly on the income tax. And we were told we
weren't going into World War One, and we went up
in World War One. So in general, I just want
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to wrap up that our last thought from the last
segment There's always been a cushion pull between the are
older than the republic, between the men and I'll say
men now because it wasn't men at the time. The
men who wanted centralized control, they wanted financial control, and
they knew best on how to run the country. And
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you had your guys like Thomas Jefferson, James Monroe, Jimmy Madison,
Andrew Jackson. They're like no, and those men won their presidents.
I mean they ran the country all the you know
jacksonuntil eighteen thirty eight. And the American spirit, that manifest destiny,
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that do it yourself, take care of each other, the
Christian revivalism of trying to follow the Christian principles you
don't need government to we will self regulate. Yeah, there
are sins that we're going to try to atone for
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and fix. Well. The elites won out once they got
control of the money, the gold, the gold standard, the
Federal Reserve, the come tax, the draft. Speaking out against
the war in World War One led to them passing
a law that's still in the books from nineteen seventeen,
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and you went to prison if you spoke out against
the draft or discouraged people from sending their kids to
the war. The Federal Reserve was set up to protect
us from these panics rushes on the banks, and it
was exact opposite. It gave a small group of men
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a monopoly on what was gold and now just pieces
of paper. They control it like the beer's controls diamonds.
And the proof that this was a major problem was
with the Great Depression. The FED was set up to
keep that from happening, supposedly, and as a result, the
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government and FDR stepped in and started bailing out, created jobs,
stimulated the accomo to me, and then lengthened the depression,
and you know, and you had the very first conservative,
modern conservative movement, a guy by name of Robert Taft,
Senator Taft, who was opposed all this. You can read
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if you want, if you're that much of a nerd,
you can talk about you can go back and see
what Senator Taft from Ohio was saying. Extremely influential the
late nineteen thirties or early nineteen forties, warned America exactly
what was happening, rise of an administrative state, welfare state.
And once you put these once you put us on
the government teat you're not going to be able. Once
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the people latch on, you're not going to be able
to decouple them. And after World War Two, who picked
up on this was Barry Goldwater, Ronald Reagan. And then
we had the misfires of Vietnam. We had the major
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misfires of big money, big business taking their manufacturing to Asia,
gutting out the American economy, and Ronald Reagan returned. Ronald
Reagan came back after being California governor, wins in eighty
wins I'm party, wins in eighty, win's in eighty four.
And then we get stuck with the neo cons and
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your George H. W. Bush's, your Wolfelwitz is your Cheney's.
And then the Great Financial Crisis and the bailout of
the banks but not the people.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
And you see all of the industrial production moving offshore.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
And the tea Party, Donald Trump, Maga. It's a through line, guys.
You can trace what's happening with Maga this week, Donald Trump,
the way he's doing things this week, all the way
back to the way Jefferson and the first fifty years
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of the country.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
I would argue that Trump is not doing things, He's
undoing things. Yeah, getting things undack to the way they were.
Now we talk about secrets and corruption. Let's talk for
a second about the Fuci. Right we are during COVID.
This is when we start to lose our minds. You
and I and many.
Speaker 1 (23:22):
Others were very curious about where this virus came from.
And it certainly seemed to the logical person that there's
a lab in Wuhan, China called called what I think
it's called the COVID release Lab exactly. So Fauci's pardon
goes back to twenty fourteen. Everything that is coming out
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now for head scratchers on why Fauci got a pardon
back to fourteen. We said in twenty twenty as the
stuff we were reading that we believed in, we didn't
know anything. We just followed common sense. Four was the
year the National Institute of Health had a three year
pause on gain of function research. It was the Obama
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administration three year pause on gain of function research in
the US. I remember talking to a couple of Democrat
friends of mine just just a couple of years ago.
This is two years into COVID, and they had no
idea what gain of function research was. They're CNN New
York Times readers. Twenty fourteen was the year that uh
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there were reports that Fauci funded the Eco Health Alliance
to outsource gain of function research to Wuhan, China.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
That's where that Dashik fellow comes in, yep uh.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
And I'm sure there are other didn't other labs out there?
And that research leaked in twenty nineteen causing the coronavirus pandemic,
then Fauci has to work to begin the cover ups.
It's been reported that he created a personal Gmail account
to evade Freedom of Information Act requests exactly, and then
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didn't he get everything wrong in the pandemic? Cloth masks,
closing kids' schools, locking down everybody.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Six feet, all this stuff.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
No one wanted to talk about natural immunity. No one
wanted to have serious debates about vaccines and vaccine mandates.
Why do you make so many errors? And then he
lies to Congress about that in twenty twenty, Yes he
funded gain of function research. Yes, he knew that it
was illegal, and then he changed the definition a gain
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of function to something else to provide false aentwers to Congress.
There are a lot of reports out now about this.
This is why Fauci got a pardon. Get him back
in Congress again and ask him if he funded Gain
of Function research and the pardon. He can't sit on
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his fifth Amendment. He's got to tell the truth, right.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
And if he says he didn't, now he's just committed something,
a crime that he had not been yet pardoned for.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
And I want Joe Biden in there because he didn't
pardon himself. We now need to know what exactly the
Bidens were doing, how many millions of dollars they were
making for China and Ukraine Hunter Biden, like you mentioned
Chinese companies Ukrainian entities while Biden was Vice president. I
want to know more about Mitch McConnell and China. Mitch
(26:34):
McConnell has connections through his wife, Elaine Chow, whose family
runs a major shipping business strong ties to the Chinese
Communist Party.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Now, to be fair to Midge, he did just vote
for Klochure on the Hegxath vote so that they could
not filibuster him.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
I do have concerns about Zuckbucks, Bezos, elon You know,
I don't like again I see these these these billionaires
up there with Trump at the inauguration. We just need
to keep an eye on these folks, right. Uh, these
are not these are not died in the wool. They're
(27:17):
not died in the wool like the rest of us. Uh,
we just need to keep an eye on now, we know.
You know, it's like, look, he could have hot heead
zuck Bucks and Bezos. He put him out there. He's
just gonna put it all out there. Let us know.
Let us be the jury. We let juries decide everything,
death penalty, medical malpractice cases, you know, Uh, defamation, we
(27:43):
let juries decide the American people. We'll figure it out.
And the one benefit of being a trial lawyer is
I firmly believe that juries get get it right. So
let the people know. Let the people know. And I
like what Trump's doing. He wants to have you know,
what I see developing is the Trump doctrine, which is
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this western hemisphere, We're protecting everybody from Greenland to Argentina.
Everyone get in line. This is very much the Monroe
doctrine with the Roosevelt corollary and Mexico, Canada, Panama Canal.
You're ripping us off on trade, immigration, defense, spending, and
(28:26):
the American leaders up to now have done nothing to
stop them. Why they're getting something in return? No more.
It's always gonna have been about their national interests, not
their interests, not the interest of the American people. The
American people need to know where we're getting gouged and
(28:47):
fix that stuff. Let's do what you wanna talk.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
About the birthright citizens birth rights.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Citizenship after break, all right, General, let's step into this.
This will be a very very kind reversual in dividing
issue at the dinner table, birthright citizenship. So Trump signs
an executive order stating that citizenship is not automatically extended
(29:14):
to persons born in the United States in two circumstances.
If the person's mother was a lawfully present the United
States and the father was not a United States citizen
or a lawful permanent resident at the time of birth,
or that person's mother's presence was lawful but temporary, such
(29:36):
as a student or work visa or a tourist visa,
and the father is not a United States citizen or
lawful resident. You say good or do you what you're
forget about that? What's going on here? I've always thought
that if a baby's born in the US on American soil.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
They're American, and that's what we've been taught by our
betters in the mainstream. What people don't understand is that
the Constitution sets a floor of your rights regarding citizenship,
but Congress can always add to that. Congress could say
(30:16):
everyone who was born in Portugal is now a US citizen,
and as long as that was passed by Congress and
signed by the President, that could become law, and we
would have a bunch of Portuguese citizens here speaking Portuguese.
It doesn't mean that because the Constitution doesn't say that
that Congress can't do something extra. Okay, what the Constitution
(30:38):
did was set a floor with the fourteenth Amendment, and
it said that you have a right without with or
without Congress, you have a right to be a citizen
if you were born in this country and conjunctive subject
to the jurisdiction of this country. Now, that is what
(31:00):
the Democrats never want you to hear. That's what the
left never wants you to hear.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
That's what the New York to the jurisdiction.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
What do you mean? What I mean is you're not
subject to some other country and and you have no
loyalty to them. So if another someone from another country
comes across and has a baby, citizenship follows the parents.
It always has. And if that country comes in and
(31:28):
starts to say to the US, hey, you need to
send our citizens back. We'd like to extradite these people
blah blah blah, then the US would send them back
that they.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
Not have constitutional protections the moment you cross into the
United States, and if you're illegal, do you not have
constitutional protections? No?
Speaker 2 (31:48):
What what you have is is the due process right,
or what I should say, the equal protection right that
the fourteenth Amendment gives you. But it's a it's a
much more minimal right than what Americans have. And the
issue there is that the reason that they put that
Fourteenth Amendment clause in there about being born in the
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country was not about people from China coming over here
and being born here. It's not about Mexicans coming across
the Rio Grande and being born here. What it was
about was Southern States trying to say that black people
are not citizens and trying to say, we're going to
cut that argument off at the knees. If you were
born here and subject to the jurisdiction of this country,
(32:31):
if a black person is born subject yourself no to
the laws of America. If a black person before was
born in eighteen sixty one, before the fourteenth Amendment even
came out, they were subject to the jurisdiction of this country,
and this country only. No other country could come in
(32:53):
and say, wait a minute, that black person is a
subject of Ghana, or as a subject of Kenya, or
as a subject of Ireland. It doesn't matter. They were
born here. They were subject to our jurisdiction entirely. No
Southern state after the Civil War was over and after
the fourteenth, thirteen, fourteen to fifteenth Amendments were passed, can
now say, oh, well, they're not really citizens. That is
(33:14):
what this was all about. It was never about other people,
other citizens of other countries coming in here and having children.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Right, Look, if a stranger or a traveler passing through
or temporarily residing on student visa and not been naturalized,
does every nation have a moral duty to make sure
that everyone who here is here has an allegiance to
(33:41):
our government, not another government.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
We don't need to worry about that they're not here
on a subject to our jurisdiction. The Congress can.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Pass let me ask you, what's the problem from this
perspective on simply saying if you're born here, you're a
United States citizen.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
The problem is that you get birthright tourism, you get
people coming in here.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
And not if we're controlling immigration anymore, Well, that's not true.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Actually, for instance, look at the martial artist Bruce Lee.
His parents were part of a Chinese traveling acrobat group
who came to San Francisco when he would just before
he was born. His mother gave birth to him in
San Francisco. Three or four days later they left to
go back to Shanghai, but that gave him American citizenship. Now,
(34:35):
if the Congress wants to pass a law that says
that anybody who is born in the confines of the
United States, regardless of their parent citizenship, is a US citizen,
they're free to do so. But they don't have that
right right.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
Is there is there an American interest in promoting and
endorsing the argument that merely being born on our soil
to a mother who is not a United States citizen
or is here illegally, does the United States have a
(35:13):
national interest in saying, sorry, that doesn't automatically qualify you
as a citizen. And if so, why, why is that
in our national interest?
Speaker 2 (35:25):
You're confusing constitutional rights with national interests. If there is
a national interest in doing that, then Congress has the
ability to pass a law to enforce our national interest
in that. But what these people who come here and
have their children don't have is a right to have
their children become Americans.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
We it's in the Constitution. It's the citizenship clause of
the fourteenth of Mini, subject to the jurisdiction, and the
subject to jurisdiction has never been defined by the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
It actually has.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
My question is my question is you need to be
would explain to the younger generation. And I don't have
an opinion on this yet. Why simply being born in
the United States to a foreign mother doesn't automatically make
you an American citizen.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Name another country where that happens, England. That's it, all right, exactly.
I'm not sure there's more. There's one hundred and eighty
eight countries on the planet. There's two that have what's
called birthright solase or whatever they call that.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
Do. What we need to be talking about is what
where did this come from? We understand now it came
from as a result of civil war and trying to
protect the rights of African Americans. It's going to be
a moral issue that's going to be easily confused. It's
going to be it's going to be easily used to
(36:50):
confuse America and especially conservatives and especially conservative parents with
their kids and grandkids, because I have to believe that
the majority may be totally wrong, but I have to
believe the majority of younger generation is going to find
(37:11):
this executive order to be cruel. And we need to
be able to articulate why we have this policy and
why we have this Why the why the Fourteenth Amendment
citizenship clause includes this group of dreamers.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Right, It doesn't. It's not a policy. The policy is
something that gets voted.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
What is the now the Supreme Court is going to
have to decide whether or not subject to its jurisdiction.
Was intended to exclude children born of foreign mothers, right.
Speaker 2 (37:52):
And it was intended to include people who were subject
to the United States jurisdiction. That's the plane reading of
the statute was always the plane reading of the statute.
All but no.
Speaker 1 (38:03):
America has been under the impression for for over one
hundred years that if you're born here, you're a citizen here.
Birthright citizenship. Again, that's been the policy. You're saying the
Constitution never said policy is wrong compared to the concution.
Speaker 2 (38:17):
I'm not saying the policy is wrong. I'm saying that
a policy has nothing to do with it the policy.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
If it's not if it's not accurate, then what is it.
It's a policy we have had. We have been under
the impression that birthright citizenship is constitutional.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
You've been mistaught that.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Yes, that's been a policy. It's been in violation. You're
saying it's been education. You've been saying it's been in
violation of the United States Constitution for years. Right, I'm
just saying we we Look, they can't vote, they can't
possess guns, their parents a lawful entry the United States
was itself a federal offense. God forbid. We had a
(38:55):
foreign army here that took over part of the country,
and and uh, they had kids here. I mean, there
are reasons. I'm not why we need to end this,
but I think we need to articulate it much better
than we're currently doing.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
In a statute
Speaker 1 (39:16):
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