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May 15, 2025 • 39 mins
While Dems figure out their leadership problem, (Because there isn't any) The guys discuss Trump taking a flame thower to the Republican Foreign Policy playbook. "No more wars. Let's Do Deals!" Plus, the emergence of the Trump Doctrine- Peace Through Deals. It is driving the New Left and the Old Right crazy!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, folks, let's talk about President Trump's big Middle
East adventure, his first porn trip of Trump two.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
And it's a doozy general I mean, Saudi Crown Prince
Mohammed Ben Salomon NBS greets President Trump on the tarmac,
breaking all the fancy protocols. They're chumming it up, laughing,

(00:32):
riding around in a golf cart.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Why not, like it's a you know, it's a a sitcom.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's like Will Ferrell and who's his sidekick and step brothers.
I forget the we're gonna find that.

Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Uh, anyway, they're they're grinning. Uh, they're they're just yucking
it up because you have a you have a crown prince,
and you have Trump who considers himself to be a
crown prince as well our king. He loves it, you know,
he loves it. He loves he loves all that gold

(01:14):
and marble, he loves all that royalty. He loves this.

Speaker 4 (01:18):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I think he feels very comfortable in those type of environments.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Well, I think he's come there to make some deals,
and he's very comfortable in deal making.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
One hundred percent. But you know the real headline here is, well,
other than the trojan horse. That the jet, and we'll
talk about that in a minute. But the real headline
is Trump is the trojan jet. The trojan jet. Trump's speech,
Trump took a flamethrower to the old Middle East playbook.

(01:52):
He's called out the forever wars of George Bush. This
is refreshing to me. This is the stuff that back
to law school in the early nineth And I'm watching
the new world orders set up and the end of
history and packs Americana, and we we see more war.
I mean, what what's going on? Why? Why do we

(02:15):
have to have extensions of World War One? World War two? Uh? Korea, Vietnam?
Why do we keep having these conflicts?

Speaker 4 (02:25):
Got to test those weapons somewhere.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
So I get that. Uh. But Trump is taking a
flame thrower to the old playbook of the Middle East.
He's already taken the play the flamethrower to the old
playbook of the New Deal, old school Democrats. He's taken
the flamethrower to the establishment GOP. And now he's taken

(02:51):
the flamethrower to the Middle East. And he walks around
and he knows he's the man. He knows he's the boss.

Speaker 4 (03:01):
And they've invited him for a reason.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Yeah, I mean in the pomp and circumstance. I mean
the the amount of attention to detail to impress Trump
and the whole team that he took, not just a
large chunk of the cabinet, but the dozens and dozens

(03:25):
of billionaires and American business titans. So he takes this
flamethrower to the old Bush Obama foreign policy plan foot See,
He's like, look, we can't do nation building. It ain't

(03:47):
gonna work. You know, you can call it nation building.
The British called it colonialism before that. But you know,
at the end of the day, it's the same thing.
We're not going to come over here and tell you
how to live your life. You do you, and we
will do us. And that's that's It's not America only,

(04:07):
it's America first. But he's expecting Iran, Israel, UAE Cutter,
Saudi Arabia to do what's in their best.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Interest and to show them that what's in their best
interest is also in our best interest.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
So what's that common denominator making money?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Right?

Speaker 2 (04:26):
Forget about we're here to spread democracy or we're here
to stifle humans rights violations. One hundred years of that.
He ain't working, and your wars have been going on
for centuries. We're trying something new. We're going to be
business pals. Build your shiny cities, sell your tech, not

(04:48):
your bombs, and don't expect us to referee your ancient grudges.
This is Donald Trump's foreign policy. This is the new
American right.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
It's a populist view of a foreign policy, and it's
well overdue.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
We will this. Probably General has better legs to bring
peace down.

Speaker 4 (05:13):
To than in the other war.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah right, I mean right, Like like we said last
week when we were talking about Orwell, when George Orwell
was picking up on all the nineteen eighty four propaganda
speech that peace through war right ignorance is truth ignor

(05:35):
He's just saying, hey, why don't we do why don't
we become business partners. I got no time for sunny
site drama. The whole world trades on US dollars, and
I'm in control of them, and here I am Daddy.
Warbucks shows up and not only General did he take

(05:56):
that rickety old seven forty seven over there Air Force
one or Trump Force one, but he was getting escorts.
Saudi's put up I think six fighter escorts and Cutter
put up eight fighter escorts to Air Force one. And

(06:19):
another thing that I'm observing here on this is he's
bluntly telling the rest of Europe, the West, of the
rest of our twentieth century, allies get with the program
or you're going to get left behind. You can see it.
There's something, there's something that's gonna happen here in the

(06:42):
Middle East. It's going to it's going to blossom. Is
it all going to be one giant Las Vegas where
the whole world goes for bachelorette parties? It might, I
mean it might, But Saudi's got to join the Abraham
Accords with Israel. Iran. You know, they've already had a

(07:04):
taste of trump Ism. Zero oil exports. He cut them off,
and he knows their weakness. Ditch the nukes, join the party,
or your mac that we're gonna put the maximum pressure
on you, which is you're not going to be exporting
any oil. And in all this is that little Jewish

(07:31):
state out there, Israel, right and in Yahoo. I don't
know that BB. It's gonna be interesting to watch if
BB is lock and step with this. I think BB's
hard right. I think the people in Israel leadership on

(07:52):
the hard right.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
Well, he's a creature of the eighties nineties.

Speaker 2 (07:54):
Yeah, he's neo khon Cold War Israel. You know, he's
already dragged their feet on a ceasefire. And what's Trump do?
Just goes ahead, gets American Israeli hostages out without them,
without them. Trump is very clear, no new wars. We're

(08:15):
not bringing Western democracy. Keep your traditions, keep your culture.
But let's just make money, not Mayhem.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
And not just billionaires making money. Let's have everybody make money.
Everybody gets jobs out of this.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
And you know who's eating it up, the working class,
the tax paying class. Why because we're tired and done
sending our kids to go die for quote freedom in
these religious crusades. It is nice to have a president
who doesn't treat main street boys and girls like cannon fodder.

(08:50):
But you know what, General, at the end of the day,
very little coverage of this trip, very little. All they
want to talk about is that big old jet. After
the break, General and I are going to break that down.
What is going on with the cutter seven forty seven,
the free jet? Nothing's free. Thanks for listening to the show.

(09:15):
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Speaker 4 (09:43):
Of course, they won't call it that will I'm just
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Speaker 2 (09:48):
We're here to help. We started the show man General.
We're coming up on our anniversary. I think we're going
to have our eighth anniversary next month. I think that's right,
probably four hundred plus shows. And what I've watched is
what the rest of us have watched, which is the
Democrat Party first destroy America, try and then it moves

(10:12):
on to destroying itself. It really does feel like the
Democrat Party drank the Salem Witch Trial kool aid and
saw witches everywhere. And imagine fifty years from now, when
your great grandchildren asked their personal robots to tell them
about the time when half of America lost its collective mind.

(10:36):
The Democrats went from the Party of the working stiff
to a bizarre bromance comedy with Wall Street billionaires and Marxists.

Speaker 4 (10:46):
And all sorts of devians.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
And how this happened? One word, Donald Trump. Donald Trump
had the energy the knowledge of Main Street.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
Somehow, well he took over common Sense Island. And now
how are you going to you? Just all you can
do is a democrat is tell people common Sense Island
is a terrible place.

Speaker 2 (11:14):
It's Trump derangement syndrome. Needs to be relabeled. It's not
just Donald Trump derangement syndrome. It's Main Street USA syndrome.
It is the deplorables. There's hardly anything Donald Trump says
or does that bothers half of America. And then there's

(11:36):
the other half of America that gets its news and
information from the same troughs that can't see anything Donald
Trump does being honorable, constitutional, or good.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, can you remember any conservative president in the last
fifty years that the left has not said was a
threat to our democracy? An existential thread? Mitt Romney with
his binders of women and his dogs on top of
the car. And Ronald Reagan a b rate actor, he's
a moron, and so on and so forth.

Speaker 4 (12:15):
George W.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
Bush they called him the shrub, and how silly he was,
and what an idiot he was.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
It's always the same with them.

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Their opponents are these terrible, ignorant people, and they keep
getting beat by them.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Well, it's because they own the megaphones, right, they own
the megaphones. And thankfully, with the Internet and social media,
more information can get out to us independent journalists like
Laura Lumera. You can start to pay attention to all
kinds of other outlets. But the mutual loathing for the
guy with the orange glow is literally the only glue

(12:51):
holding that freak show known as the Democrat Party together
with a heaping dose of elitism, that's transformed to a
level of cluelessness. Not only is there a level of elitism,
you saw Nancy Pelosi's quote last week when she said,

(13:13):
you know, we just need to reach the American people
and tell them what they need to know.

Speaker 4 (13:18):
Tell them what we want them to know.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
There's always, there's always been elitism, but now this is
an elitism that is moved up into cluelessness. And I'm
not saying that Democrats are wrong about everything, but I'm
saying their disconnect from reality is so stark it truly
qualifies as a psychological diagnosis. This has to be somewhere

(13:44):
in the DSM.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
Well, they've jumped off the cliff and think that they
think they've discovered the wind.

Speaker 2 (13:49):
So I'm listening to and reading a biography on Richard Nixon,
and what I what I what I'm learning is that
when this whole new way of governing and thinking about
the role of the United States in the world nineteen
forty six, nineteen forty eight, nineteen fifty this is where
I am in the book. Nixon, when he ran for

(14:13):
Congress in forty eight and then Senate and was a
vice president candidate with Ike, they were ruthless, negative campaigners, ruthless,
and that became the way through the fifties, sixties, seventies, nineties.
Now what you have is the Democrat Party, which is

(14:35):
struggling for its survival, calling your rival a Nazi that's
just a Tuesday, suggesting he needs to be put down
to save the country is where we are, and having
veteran United States senators go on TV and say that
cutting government waste is a one way ticket to fascism,

(14:56):
while blowing taxpayer cash like monopoly money is investing in
the future, not our future, their future, their future. And
don't you dare suggest deporting anyone because borders, those are
those are so last century. Oh yeah, those are borders.
And according to the Democrat leadership and whoever whichever bizarre

(15:20):
personality takes the lead at the right time, AOC, for instance,
Hakeem Jeffries, this Jasmine Crockett, whoever winds up being the
Democrat leadership in twenty six and twenty eight, and their
state run media dogs. They they're saying that mass deportations

(15:40):
will tank the economy, leaving the American people with scurvy
because nobody's around to pick our vegetables. That's what they're saying.

Speaker 4 (15:48):
Well, that's that's what they assume these people are here for.

Speaker 2 (15:51):
And and if you these Democrats that are flying down
to El Salvador to go do a little red Rover
red rover, they these Democrats have no issues picking the
guys for their team that look like cold blooded killers,
act like cold blooded killers.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Have tattoos of cold bloody killers, and.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Their own countries say they're cold blooded killers. But they
tell us this is just Maryland, Dad. And here's one
for the ages general. All this anti semitism is somehow
the cure for Islamaphobia. But somehow if this rise of

(16:31):
anti Semitism, if you do anything, it's permissible. Actually, this
rise of anti Semitism, what's being tolerated in America is
somehow okay because there's such islamaphobia that it's we have
to call it what it is. That the Israel and

(16:54):
the Jewish people, the twelve million, fourteen million, whatever, who
couldn't own land for cent who've been chased around the
continent for centuries, who've been persecuted, put in ghettos, however,
many millions were gassed to death, that somehow they have

(17:17):
such a leg up on the rest of us and
their state, their home state is surrounded by mortal enemies,
and somehow the Islam is the underdog.

Speaker 3 (17:28):
How do we get to the idea that we're going
to solve one form of discrimination like Islamophobia with another
form of discrimination like anti Semitism. How did we reach
that calculation?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Censorship? It's or Well, it's nineteen eighty four, it's animal farm.
It's everything George Orwell said was happening, which is why
he wrote the Damp Books.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
And why we read them when he did it it's censorship,
it's curated.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
The message men should dominate women's sports because fairness is overrated.
Requiring IDs to vote as racist, but ignoring personal responsibility
is just good policy. Parents out, don't worry. The state's
got you. I mean, who needs history? Who needs facts

(18:23):
when you've got vibes, When you're wrapped in sanctimony and
you're calling half the country Nazis.

Speaker 4 (18:33):
Because it makes you feel good without having to do
with anything.

Speaker 2 (18:37):
Half the population thinks when I say we need limited government,
they mean just fewer tsa security workers. No, we mean
limited governor. I mean old republic type of stuff, which
we're going to talk about more and more the Old Republic.
But the democrats utopian view on foreign policy, which where

(18:58):
we started the show, is that we all just need
more monassory schools in the Middle East to teach love
and peace while sitting around a circle eating rice crispy treats.
Enough of this, We're done, General. I do want to
get your take on Pete Rose the pet which was

(19:19):
be a hard turn from our conversation order patting, But
I want to go back to Trump's Middle East tour,
the Boss taking the flamethrower to the New World Order
playbook and saying, look, the last sixty seventy years has
shown that people around here, they just don't have enough

(19:42):
in common. But what we all have in common is
making money. So let's do some deals that finally makes
sense to me. Who gives away a seven forty seven General,
let's talk about this seven forty seven. But the first
time when you heard about this, what was your first reaction.

Speaker 3 (19:56):
My first reaction was, he'll be the first president to
go to a place with one seven forty seven and
come back with two. So secondly, all these people who say, oh,
this is an emolument, he's been given this seven forty seven.
When I heard the Emir of Guitar say it, he

(20:16):
said he was giving it to America. He didn't say
he was giving it to Donald Trump. That's a media creation.
And it's just like the Maryland Man hoax. It's just
like all the other hoaxes that these leftists, these leftists
leftovers want to try to perpetrate upon us and have
us not question it.

Speaker 4 (20:36):
Well, I am questioning it. He said it was for America.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
Let's go back. Let's go back hit the history. The
emolument's clause tucked away. An Article one, section nine says,
no federal big wigs can accept gifts, cash or fancy
titles back when they're giving around fancy titles from foreign
governments without Congress giving a thumbs up. Why because the

(21:02):
founders were paranoid, rightfully so that are our new federal
government would get bought off, would could get bought off
our leaders and European kings tossing diamond and crusted trinkets
that are diplomats to buy their loyalty. That's what happened
Ben Franklin. Franklin got a blinged out snuff box from
Louis the sixteenth. Everyone side eye on. I'm like, eh, Ben,

(21:26):
you good, like you're still with us? And you when
you researched emolument's claws, you'll find out that Ben Franklin
did in fact get this tobacco box from Louis the
sixteenth And did Louis lose his head? I think Louis
lost his head?

Speaker 4 (21:42):
Did he?

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Yes, he gets a diamond encrusted snuff box that they
estimated at the time was worth X and twenty twenty
five dollars. It would have been a five hundred thousand
dollars snuff box five hundred thousand dollars ten to put
you to backing in. So is this that is this

(22:05):
jet what the founders were worried about, which is why
they put this restriction into the Constitution.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
I would say, no, Number one, you can paum a
snuffbox and get it past customs, especially if you're Ben Franklin.
Nobody even hasd to know about it. But that was
given directly to mister Franklin to do with what he
wanted to. He could sell it and he could then
make a bunch of money and do this out of
the other I know that Jefferson was pressed for money

(22:37):
throughout his lifetime. You know, giving him something directly could
have led to charges that he was not being loyal
to the US. He was being loyal to his benefactors.
But again, this airplane is not something that can be
stuck into the United States. He's proudly proclaiming it, and
it wasn't given them to him.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
The concern with it. Look, the emolument's clause was to
make foreign gifts to federal to United States leadership legal
only if it is brought to the attention of Congress,
and Congress approves it on the behalf of the American people.
The fact that this has been published out there, we're
already out there, We're on the now. We now know

(23:18):
that there's talk of Trump taking a seven forty seven
from Cutter.

Speaker 4 (23:22):
On behalf of America. What I'm worried about, who would
have standing to challenge this?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
What I'm worried about. Forget about the fact that it
could be a trojan horse with Wi Fi and listening devices,
and I don't think that's the case at all. I
think the American people would be quite surprised to find
out the depth and level of military cooperation between the
US and Cutter, and the US and Saudi Arabia. A

(23:48):
lot of people don't realize this. We are in deep
with these, with these two nations and big time. But
let's zoom out on this plane. This Emoluments Clause General
is like a quaint little speed bump in a world
where foreign influence roars through Congress like poison ivy on steroids.

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Senators and congressmen and women are swimming in a sea
of lobbying, cash and campaign donations that are hidden in
super packs and dark money like an open bar at
a rich friend's wedding. The fact that Trump goes out
and throws the flame, the flamethrower on the sixty seventy

(24:33):
years of American foreign policy on the Middle East. Mind
you that on October twenty twenty three, Foreign Affairs magazine
had a cover story by Jake Sullivan, our former national
security advisor, claiming the Middle East had never been more peaceful.
And within days of that magazine dropping, October seven happens. Okay,

(24:57):
that was not even two years ago. It was eighteen
months ago. Now Donald Trump is out there walking around
on behalf of the American people like a boss, asking
the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia, Hey, Mohammed, how do
you sleep at night? I don't know if you saw
that quote, but the fact that he's probably the only
person since the Crown Prince's mom called him Mohammed, has

(25:21):
ever called him Mohammed. And he you know, he's the boss.
And the rest of the world wants to do business
with the United States. They don't want our culture, they
want our money, they want our products, they want our services,
and they got a lot of it over there. And
so when the issue of a jet comes up and

(25:42):
give it to the Presidential Library or to the Defense Department,
totally overlooks the fact that there are hundreds of millions
of dollars going right through the veins and arteries of
the Imperial City, that the Emolument's clause never ever, ever

(26:03):
even contemplated would be happening. And the case of citizens
United legalized.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
Bribery, Oh, I would look at it slightly differently. If
you'll remember, during Trump's first term, he said we needed
to get a new seven forty seven for Air Force one.
And so they had a deal and Trump said, I've
looked at this deal with Boeing. It's crap, and we're
going to be renegotiating it. And he knocked something like
one hundred million dollars off of the deal. And so

(26:33):
then they waited and they said, oh, there's been delays and.

Speaker 4 (26:36):
This and that and the other.

Speaker 3 (26:37):
And then Biden got in and said, no, no, we're
going to go back to the way the deal was before.
We're just going to pay that extra hundred million dollars.
That's the bribery.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Whatever it has gotten us into this thirty eight trillion
dollar deficit, whatever has gotten us to the point where
we are spending more than we make. Whatever's got us
to the point where we have military operations covert and
overt all over the world. Whatever's gotten us to the

(27:10):
point where you cannot rely on ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, PBS,
whatever has been contributing factors to those three or four
existential problems in America. Whatever has gotten us to this

(27:31):
point is over. And Donald Trump and the New Right
has main Street behind, It has the working class behind
it has the voting public. And you want to win elections,
you tell main Street how you're going to save the money.
You tell main Street, no new taxes, You tell main Street,

(27:53):
we're not sending your boys and girls to war. That's
what Donald Trump's doing. He's figuring out how to abolish
the internal revenue system and create a new external revenue system.
Why the Democrats and their legacy media state run Pravda
outlets continue to lie to the meet people. The people

(28:16):
are done and the Democrats, the Democrat Party has no leadership.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Right now, and the goodness they don't.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
Appear to have a leader who gets it. And the
person who's trying the hardest and saying the right things
is Gavin Newsom. For after the break, let's see. Let's
let's kind of break down what's twenty six to twenty
eight look like from the Democrat side and the Republican side.

Speaker 4 (28:40):
I got some ideas.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Before we get talking about what twenty twenty six and
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presidential election with just a few minutes. We're talking about
how the Democratic Party and the legacy media outlets have
absolutely destroyed themselves, just straight up lying propaganda, unlying.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Now they're trying to cash in on it.

Speaker 3 (31:26):
They're trying to cash in on it now about it.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
I mean, it's unbelievable that to think that these former
CNN anchors that are cranking out books claiming they tripped us,
they duped us. You're a journalist, right, how did you
miss what we started talking about four years ago?

Speaker 4 (31:50):
Pretty easy to fool.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Top tier contenders for Democrat Party, assuming it is still
around in twenty twenty eight. Kamala Harris dead on arrival,
Pete Buddhajagg dead on arrival, Alexandria Ocasio Cortez.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
I think most people would see those eyes like a
horse and a barnfire and say, too crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Gretchen Witmer, who Josh Shapiro.

Speaker 4 (32:22):
Not going to happen?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Corey Booker, I don't see it.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
I don't see it.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
JB.

Speaker 4 (32:27):
Pritzker fatter than I am. And that's an accomplishment. Tim
Walls already rejected. I mean, Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Gavin Newsom a fool on a fool's errand Gavin Newsom
probably has is probably in the best spot right now California.
He's been California's governor since twenty nineteen, about the time
that California sped up its demise. He's got national profile,

(32:57):
but he does not pull very well. California, the nation's
largest state, is a dumpster fire. I just don't know.
I just don't think Gavin Newsom can outrun his own history.

Speaker 4 (33:14):
How is he.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
Going to tell people that he has the solution for
homelessness when he's been in charge of that in California
for the last decade and has just gotten worse and worse.
Now he's going to tell us that I've got this
all solved.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
This is if you're looking for a new CEO to
run your company, you don't go get the CEO the
guy that ran your competition as it's COO into bankruptcy
and into the ground. Why would you go hire that.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Well, you're looking for a financial advisor, you don't go
asking if Bernie Madoff is still available now.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
AOC has thirteen million followers on x eight million on Instagram.
She is the fourth highest fundraiser in the House Democrats.
She has a national platform. She's very polarizing, she's very controversial,

(34:15):
but she is She and Bernie Sanders are putting tens
of thousands of Marxists into stadiums. There's grassroots energy.

Speaker 3 (34:26):
There are tens of thousands of Marxists, unfortunately, and they
are going to go to their little club meetings.

Speaker 2 (34:32):
These are this is the uh, this is the future
the Democrat Party. Gretchen Whitmer, two time governor of Michigan.
It is a swing state. She comes across as being
center left and pragmatic. She did meet with Trump to

(34:54):
talk about jobs and tariffs. That was, you know, there
was a there was recently a mending of defenses, at
least from from her perspective.

Speaker 4 (35:06):
She and her husband did go voting during COVID.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
They did send Michigan did send National Guard troops down
to the border. And I think that Gretchen Whitmer is
a very interesting horse to watch. The other another would be.

Speaker 4 (35:23):
The pause is all you need to know about that person?

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Well, it's this Andy Basheer, the governor of Kentucky.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
Oh my goodness, all right, I'm just.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Thinking if I'm a Democrat operative, I'm looking at my bench,
I'm like, who do we have? Andy Basher red state?
He's one Kentucky three statewide elections. He's a Democrat in
a red state. He focuses on jobs and healthcare.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
I think the Democrats find themselves in a position where
they're it's like they're looking at jockeys to rye in
the Belmont Stakes, and they're all three hundred pounds.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
But if you are, if you are a Democrat operative
and you're trying to figure out.

Speaker 4 (36:09):
Which is getting the three hundred pounders is going to
work best for the for the horse.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Who's going to take the flamethrower out of Trump Rubio
Vance's hands, good luck. I don't see anyone rom Emmanuel No,
Stephen a sports personality. I mean, right now, he's not
a serious contender, But keep an eye on Stephen A.

(36:36):
I mean, I just I just don't know. I don't
think that Gavin Newsom can do it. Who who? You
gotta have two, You gotta have two at the top
of the ticket. Yeah, and you gotta pay attention to
the Electoral College votes that come with that. California Gavin Newsom.

Speaker 4 (36:57):
A lot of people in California left because of Newsom.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
That's right. What about the Republicans, Well.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
I think you're going to have Vance's the odds on
favorite for that.

Speaker 4 (37:09):
I just don't see a way around him.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
You know, Rubio might be out there, but Rubio is
young enough that they'd probably consider him as a vice.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Do you put Rubio in vice president spot? I like
him right where he is. You know, JD of course,
is the prohibitive front runner for twenty twenty eight. He's
only forty, He's been Trump's VP, He's embraced Trumpian populism.

Speaker 4 (37:35):
He'd be the seven hundredth president from Ohio.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And you know, I keep an eye on Don Junior.
Don Junior. Yeah, he's polarizing, but he's also he's staying
out of the Don Junior is not in front of
the flashbobs.

Speaker 4 (37:56):
What about Brad Coffel.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
Ron DeSantis?

Speaker 4 (37:59):
I like.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Ron DeSantis out of Florida.

Speaker 4 (38:03):
I like.

Speaker 2 (38:06):
Keep an eye on Tulsey, Gabbert, Marco, Rubio, Ted Cruz, Viveke.
Of course, Viveke will be oh really interesting. So Vivike
now picks up the Ohio Republican Party endorsement a year
before primaries. Viveke becomes governor in twenty twenty six, twenty

(38:26):
twenty eight to presidential election. What's vivikedue? Does Vivike sit
it out?

Speaker 4 (38:32):
He's young enough.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
If he sits out twenty eight, that means he's running
in thirty two. Has he done? What does he want
to be governor of Ohio from twenty six to thirty two.
I don't think Avic can can sit and sit still
that long. We'll see, thanks for listening, and we will
catch up with you next week. I Brad Kaffel in
that general thanks for listening for the defense of the

(38:55):
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