April 2, 2025 • 39 mins
The guys discuss the rolle of tariffs with special guest, Ryan Gill, 3rd generation Detroit Auto family- Chesrown Automotive and how tariffs are essembled are essential to American security.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
Feel a little rusty, General, you ready to roll knocking
the rust off?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's been man, this is four weeks since we've put
a new show in the camp.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I think it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It's I spent most of March down in Florida and
Heaven's waiting room. We are recording this April second ninth,
mid morning right now, April second Liberation Day. We're going
to talk about tariffs. I think that it's very important
that our listeners understand as best we can explain.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a terrific subject, the.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Trump's terrific tariffs. I think we spelled terrific t A
R I F F.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I see.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I think so you good with that, and I'm going
to chalk that up. Give credit for credit as due. General,
that's you. I said, hey, I think we need to
do a show on tariffs. Trump's getting clobbered on this,
and we need to make sure that the American people
who are being misled about the point of even mentioning tariffs,
which I think is probably number one, mentioning tariffs, and
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then how tariffs work, what they do don't do, and
then historically that's all our federal government funded itself up
until the income tax. And what do you know, our
founders said, no income tax on the on the no
direct tax on the people. So as soon as you
start taxing the people, then they stopped. They stopped the tariffs,
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and next thing you know, the American people are getting cleaned,
their clocks cleaned, their jobs, their uncle's jobs, their father's jobs,
all gone, all gone right, and in its place cheap
consumer goods that we don't need, we really don't need.
But that's the that's Trump's terrific tariffs show. That's what
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we're gonna do today.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And we have a special guest.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We are rarely do we have a guest, but we
do have a special guest in stead you today. We're
going to keep him under wraps for a few minutes.
The reason I wanted to bring in this special guest
is as we move through journalism and reporting and kind
of interpreting what's happening in the world, where do you
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go for your sources of information. We're very much living
in a post truth world where you just don't know.
You don't know if you're getting the full story, if
it's tainted, if there's some bias or motive behind the stories.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You also don't know what's not being referenced either, So we.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Have to bring in a guest and someone who understands
tariffs and a little bit of a hint automotive and
so that'll be next segment. General I mentioned it went
down to Florida. Miche and I went down and we
spent most of March down in the Gulf coast of
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a Mayor America. I will tell you I'm not quite
ready to spend too much time down in Heaven's waiting room.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I just you know you'll get there.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I just can't get away from the feeling like what's
after this? Like where do you move after you buy
a place in on the Gulf of America and southwest Florida,
Like what's your next place?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's really nice? Your next place is it's really nice
or really bad?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Sunnyside Acres with someone changing your diapers. I'm not ready
to go down to I'm not ready to get in
the deck circle.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Or are those daisies up there?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Also?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know Naples, the whole Southwest, all over the coast
of Florida and most likely the coast of most of America.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The wealth not just a little just not not.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Just a few multi multi million dollar homes that are
second homes, possibly third homes, but the volume of them.
Where's this money coming from? We're gonna do more shows
about this. Where does this money come from?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
All inherited? Is it earned?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is it part of fraud, waste and abuse. I do
find it coincidental that when the Federal Reserve and the.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
US Treasury.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Started to crank out trillions of new greenbacks and put
it into the economy, that all of a sudden, you've got,
like fertilizer, You've got giant ten, eight, twelve, fifteen, twenty
million dollar homes all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There's a correlation there somewhere. I think we need to
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And the hurricanes come through and sweep out the ones
that are over twenty years old, so they're constantly rebuilding,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
The Democrat I went on a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I did a thirty days news as best I could,
a thirty day news fast.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I just tried to stay out of it and to
clean the head and clean my mind.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
What I've picked up is that Democrat Party is ruled
by the new Left's faith militant right. You watch Games
of Throne gray Thrones. Oh yes, so you know the
high sparrow right that that barefooted look like you. We're
a potato sack, very sack claude.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Came across as being this humble, meek almost like a
Jesus figure, high sparrow right up until and then he
has the faith Militant, which are his young warriors, the
military arm and the enforcers.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Of his will, the Brownshirts.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So there is a high sparrow, or there are some
high sparrows that are absolutely pushing back against everything that
the people that voted for make America first and make
America great.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
There's a high sparrow or two or three.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
We need to identify who the high spirit high sparrows
are other than George Soros and the Clintons.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
They're high sparrows.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
But now we have the faith militant who were who
used to chain themselves to trees as eco terrorists, and
now they are molotov cocktailing.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Evs, right, electric vehicles.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The things that are they've said, we're going to save
the earth.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So the Faith militant that this is the difference between
the new Left and the new right. The new left
has no fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And they're in a purity spiral.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And they're in a purity spiral. Not even sure what
that is, but I like the sound of it. The right,
whether you're paleo conservative, you're libertarian, you're economic nationalist, you're
a populist, you're a conservative, traditional objectivists. Right, our foundation
doesn't change with the win America changed.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We haven't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
In this faith militant that's dropping molotov cocktails and boulders
into Tuzla's are the same people that were eco terrorists
against the polluters. They just do what needs to be
done without thinking it through. They're just that cheap brown shirt.
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And it doesn't have to be fascism doesn't have to
be from the right.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It comes from the left as well.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well. It's government control over their.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Minds, yes, their minds, right, And they tend to be
people who have been marginalized in society for one reason
or the other.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They all kind of look the same.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, well, well you don't take a shower, you all
start to look the same.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And then the talking heads on CNN and CNBC, they've
got those glasses what'd.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You call those?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The smart girl glasses?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
This smart girl glass as they were this black frame.
Don Lemon right anyway?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Who right?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The public executions are back, so you have the Imperial
City of DC. Now we need to start talking about
the globocrats, the global Where.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is the.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Global empire? I'm right now, I'm gonna call it Brussels.
I see Brussels getting mentioned quite a bit. But there
is a high sparrow outside that. There's a higher sparrow
than George Soros. And the public executions are back. Anyone
that royals the established order. Donald Trump law Fair twenty sixteen,
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twenty twenty, twenty twenty four. Bolsonaro and Brazil populist, He
would be maga banned from running. Georgesci in Romania would
have been a maga of Romania from running for president,
leading contender.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And they don't just do recounts there, they do just
a reelection.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Salvini from Italy, same thing, Populist, economic nationalist would be
maga Salvini. Italy can't run for president leading the leading
candidate for the voice of the people, not the machine.
And then this week the penn and France, same thing.
(09:28):
So Lawfair, the global law fair, The global high sparrows
have their faith militants and they are absolutely going after
nationalist populist, the secure border folks, the protect our national
identity folks, the anti globalists. These are the lawfair victims.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Didn't they grab Terte out of the Philippines? Yeah, I
think they did about about two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Those of us that were refuse to.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Bend the knee do it in the same spirit as
our ulster Presbyterian ancestors. We refuse to bend the knee
the same as our founding fathers. And this is not new.
If you refuse to bend the knee, understand this is
the same story, different actors. Thankfully, at this point we're
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not getting hanged, drawn and quartered, or burned at the
stake or publicly beheaded.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And then quartered.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But we are all at risk of sham trials for
thinking out loud and speaking out against the machine blog
wastes and abuse still in elections flooding the country of
millions of people.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Refuse to bend the knee.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I guess we'll.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Talk about tariffs next. Welcome back. I'm Attorney Brad Koffel.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That is the general across the way from me, and
our special guest is in here.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He will be unveiled in just a moment.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
We're going to talk about you gotta talk about tariffs.
Don't turn thet to talk about tariffs. You're being lied to.
And as a wanna be libertarian, as a free market capitalist,
I've always struggled with tariffs.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But this must happen. We must have these tariffs.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We're recording the show on April second, Liberation Day, the
rebirth of the American spirit, the rebirth of American productivity,
American capital. It needs to stay here, our jobs need
to stay here, and we need to reshure these things.
Every politician's talked about it since we woke up one
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day in the late eighties early nineties and going you
go back to your hometown, or you go back to
the my cousin's up in Steel Country, northeast Ohio. I
go back, like, what the hell happened? This was Norman
Rockwell when I was growing up. Now it's a dystopian
scene from a bad video game. We are reversing policies,
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horrible policies that gutted America forty years ago. We were
told cheaper goods, lower prices, but we weren't told the
cost of getting those following out, we now know that
in general, I want to jump on. Let's just say
we're founding fathers. We got a new country here, right.
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Do we tax our people?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Or do we we.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Have a you got to pay an admission fee to
have access to our people. If you want to sell
your goods to our people, you got to pay it admission.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Or do we have a government that's so small you
don't notice the amount of money that goes into running it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The founders set we know how taxes work. Taxes have been.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
The backbone of every rebellion, of every revolution, of every
every peasant revolt for centuries.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We have to stay away from taxing our own people.
We just have to Our revenue.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is going to come from the old fashioned way, which
is we're going to collect the bridge toll. You want
to come across the river and sell your goods to
our people, that's fine, but you're going to pay a
user fee to come over here and have access to
our people.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
To be fair to the other side of that, that
cost is passed on ahead it is.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
There's a cost associated with and it's Thomas Soul and
we're we are we are absolutely huge believers in almost
everything Thomas soul Is written Thomas soul said that the
tariffs are not a solution. Tariffs are a give and take.
You know, it's a it's a process of give and take.
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It is not a solution. But if you're starting your
own nation, you need some revenue. You've got to provide
basic public services.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And the first law in the.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
First Congress, by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison and signed
by George Washington on the fourth of July. Can it
get any more American than this established a tariff just
like Trump's. And for most of our history, from going
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from a colonial backwater to a continent spanning industrial colosses,
the United States has had some of the world's highest tariffs,
and that's how we funded our government.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I think we do need to make sure that all
of our listeners are brought in here. Not everybody knows
what a tariff is.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Studios don't think enough.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I think most of our listeners know what a tariff is.
But give the quick Cup USA today Gannett News Service.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
A tariff is a charred that the country that is
importing things puts upon imported items in that charge. Maybe
it's five percent, maybe it's two percent, or maybe it's
much more to sell these foreign products in America. So
if we were to tariff let's say, Japanese automobiles, you'd
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be paying a lot more for Hondas and toyotas. If
we were to be tariffing oranges from Italy, you'd be
paying a lot more for Italian oranges.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Maybe it's all relative, you know, but tariffs are it's
a very specific, distinctive source of revenue because the government
does tilt the market away from imports towards domestic production.
Bottom line, national security in this global.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
In this global.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
World, there are just some things on national security we
must make here.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We must.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
We learned that during COVID and whether it's desirable or disastrous,
hinges on what is important to you? Does is a
nation important?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I think having a nation is important.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think a lot of globalists are looking for borderless nationalists.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
One world.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Is having a trade deficit a problem. They are very
smart people that argue both sides of that. My view
is very simple. If you can't make things, then you
are reliant on other countries. Other nations are not our friends.
We have no friends. We have some nations that we
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have shared interest with but they're not friends.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The difference between allies and friends.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Right, So yes, we must use the threat of terariffs, tariffs,
and we must use tariffs, turn them on, turn them
off to reach a national goal. But we must be
able to produce things we need in time of war.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Why because we're at war, are we?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, whether you want to realize it or not, there
are nations that are warring with us.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, we live. We live in an anarchy in this world.
And Thomas Hobbs was it said that the anarchy is
a war of all against all.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Anyway, I think that you know, take the take the
revolution war that we're gonna produce our guests. We didn't
make sailcloth, we didn't make gunpowder, we didn't build chips.
You know, in the in the very beginning, we had
to buy these things sailcloth, gunpowder, necho wafers.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Uh, what youthful.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Now it's advanced semiconductors. Now, it's processing rare earth elements. Now,
it's making pharmaceutical precursors. Now, it's getting the supply chains
inside at our borders so that we don't have to
put carrier battle.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Groups all over the world and.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Have one hundred and seventy bases around the world that
piss off those citizens, those locals.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
From other countries. We need our supply chains here.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We need to get our American people trained or retrained
to become a skilled workforce. And most importantly, long term
investments need to come here, not other countries. And look
what Trump's done already in two months, We've got I
think three trillion dollars of new real money coming to
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the United States.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hondo is coming.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's a lot. That's a lot of money, and those
are jobs.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So anyway, I want to introduce our guests because when
we're talking about tariffs, and right now it seems like
the news is very heavily tilted against tariffs. So I
called up Ryan Gill from Chess Run Automotive, our singular
sponsor yesterday, and I said, Ryan, do you have a
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few minutes you guys are you guys have had American
made vehicles for decades? Do you have an opinion on tariffs?
And as a patriot, would you be willing to come
on our show and talk to our listeners about tariffs
and your opinion?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
He said, who's caught? We're taken. He said, I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Tomorrow morning, after the break, we're going to get Ryan
gil Che's Run Automotive and we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Tariffs right from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Hi, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm Attorney Brad Cofflin. This is Sport the Defense of
the American People General. We have a special guest, Ryan Gill.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
From Chus Run Automotive and.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The If you're just joining us, thanks for listening, and
please stick around cause we're going to talk about tariffs.
And it's one of those topics that causes everyone to
yawn and check out, but it is so vitally important.
And I and General, when you and I were talking
about tariffs, we've never really talked about it on the show.
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I don't think we've really talked about it off the
show either. I wasn't sure where you stood on it.
I'm want to be libertarian, free market capitalist.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
However, I have.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Pro I think tariffs, which are antithetical to libertarianism, are
very important, at least the threat of tariffs.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I don't want to compete against a bunch of these
damned European attorneys.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So the bottom line here is we needed to get
to a source and that's gonna be Ryan Gill and Ryan,
I called you yesterday, Thanks for coming in. So do
you have an opinion on tariffs as a part of
a family that's been involved in big auto American auto
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for decades?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
By the way, how long, how old is run?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Not motive?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
So chess Round was founded in nineteen sixty three by
my grandfather, Norm Chess Round what year nineteen sixty three?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And so when I called you yesterday, I said, what
is the what's your opinion on tariffs? And how's it
going to impact your business?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
So I think what I told you is I take
a step back and look at the bigger pic, look
at the bigger picture here, and this what this really
is is a forcing function to bring production back to
the States, which is I think vital to our national security,
to our economy. And for years we've seen globalism drive
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drive production out of the States, which is which long
term is not good for the country sure, And so
short term what we're doing is it's an additional income
stream to supplement our tax dollars right to fund the government.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
What about higher prices, what's going to happen to what's
going to happen to Americans? They want to they're planning
on buying a new or used vehicle in the next
twelve eighteen months.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
So every manufacturer's got their own little issues. For instance,
General Motors produces some cars in South Korea. They produced
vehicles in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Canada.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
The largely the trucks and SUVs with the bigger margins
can be produced here for a profit, right, But the
ones that come across the border or come on a
boat are the ones that are going to be tariffed.
And every manufacturer's got sort of these similar similar characteristics
where just.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Model by model American, So an American brand like GMC,
the Silver O which my favorite, I love that truck,
or the Denali Yukon Donali, what percentage of those.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Are in the US? Probably have? Okay? And then are
they are they assembled here? Assemble? When I say made,
I mean the parts come from where?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Complicated because you have engines and transmissions and and of
course all these various parts suppliers. The percentage of content
of a sierra is gonna show on the window sticker
of of the country of origin.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
When that what's that mean? Where it was assembled?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Well, so there's two things you'll see on a sticker
one is percentage of content that has made in America.
And then you'll see where the final production is like
final assembly. And so all of this works together to
sort of paint a picture where you will have price
increases on certain vehicles. Some will have more than others,
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just based on.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So right now, what's the best not the tariffs are
kicked in, let's just say thirty days from now, you're
gonna go a new vehicle or use vehicle. Where are
Americans going to find the best value? And then where
are Americans going to see?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Okay, so here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
This is a great time to go buy a car,
by the way, because none of the vehicles that are
on on dealers' lots are have tariffs on them.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
So come buy a car this week.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So if it's already here, right, yeah, exactly right?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
And uh what you know, it's it's hard to know
exactly because we haven't received any new pricing on inventory
that we've ordered or that's in the system, so to
speak with with General Motors, you know, but it's it's it.
While it will be some of it will be passed
on to the consumer.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think General Motors will will absorb some of that.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you want a new BMW, you want a new Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
So BMW is in a pickle.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Uh not a ton of production over here, right, So
you know those Mercedes BMW.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Lexus, some of those things that are all are they.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
All going to get jacked at twenty five So one
hundred thousand dollars cars already unbelievably expensive base model BMW
seven series, let's say, or And.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
The thought is is that people that buy those cars
can afford it.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I just yeah, I mean I get it. I think
the super high line, I'm with you on that. But
I think one thing that I guess is unclear to me.
And by the way, we're speaking to Ryan Gill.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Are you third generation?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I am third generation Detroit Auto always American mate, yep,
all right. My question is, Ryan, the auto industry was
absolutely a huge, major contributor to the Industrial Revolution, made
America phenomenal. World War One was just the beginning time
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frame World War two, Detroit and its subsidiaries were huge,
and then a lot of their manufacturing went into military supply.
I believe we don't talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
My question is.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
When did Detroit start to face decline as globalism encouraged
companies to move to production, move production out of the country.
When was that what you said, that would have been
the early nineties, early nineties, and it was because free
trade was it?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I think what's the cause?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I think a lot of it was the economic policies
of what the Clinton administration Bill Clinton. That's the time
when all of the Japanese brands had had a huge increase.
That's where their ascension really started was in the early nineties, Toyota, Honda, Luxus,
and honestly with General Motors. This came at a time
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where General Motors wasn't building the best product.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Why was that? What happened?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So what I've always heard is.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
The c suite was replaced with a bunch of accountant
type mentalities, not car guys.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
We call these people smarty pants and where wore they go?
Smarty pants ruins it.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
So, remember you had all these brands. You had Cadillac,
you had Buick, you had Chevrolet. What they started, what
they thought they could do was they could build very
very much the same model and just put a new
badge on it and badge engineer a model for Buick,
for Cadillac and for Chevrolet, maybe put some fixings on there.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That were so similar.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
That is why they all look so similar.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Turns out that customers didn't buy it, right, and that's
when we saw a huge decline in market share. I mean,
you got to go back to mid seventies, early seventies,
and General Motors had nearly a fifty percent market share
right that.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's stunning to me that General Motors was essentially like
meta Google, Apple, now Amazon and it and it's it
almost seems like it was either negligence or recklessness or
there was some sort of intent to bust up Big Auto.
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I don't know what all the contributing factors were.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Unions.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You're going to say to.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
You word all right, so these other countries don't have unions.
They have peasant labor, literally people who barely live. We
would consider it to be homeless if you looked at
where the workers and China come from, where they're hovels,
where they live in they live in at least from
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what I've seen, never been there, but at least my
understanding fixtures, whatever what I've seen, and how much how
little they're paid, it appears as though they live in
what we would considered to be homeless, and they look
like they're large, right, So.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
After the break, let's tie it.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Let's dive a little bit more into tariffs and if it,
do you think it's going to work for the United
States to resure and is the pain worth the game?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
For the defense of the American people.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm attorney Brad Kaffel and I've got Ryan gil Children
Automotive Group, third Generation Detroit Auto. I want to ask
him straight from the source. Are the Trump's tariffs good
for your business? Bad for your business, good for the
automotive industry as a whole, good for America?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What's your opinion?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And by the way, full disclosure, you are the only
sponsor our show. We've never you've never asked to come on.
I invited you yesterday to come on.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I was curious.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
No contract, there's no Yeah, we don't even have written
good grid. It's told it's a handshake. It's way out
to be. And I value your opinion and I trust
your opinion. And if you said to me yesterday, Trump's
team is making a horrible mistake like what Wall Street Journal,
in New York Times and all these others are saying,
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I would i'd have a prob I'd be like, oh,
that stinks, because right now I think it's a really
great idea. How does this affect you personally and your
family and the business as a whole and in America
as a greater, greater whole.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
So without a doubt, there's going to be a little
short term pain. And I think I've heard Bernie Marino
talk about this. They are they're looking for ways to
roll into a tax bill where you can write off
interest on American made vehicles that you're you know, you
pay in your car payment.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So they're going to get creative.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
But and I also look at it from the lens
of Trump is always negotiating, right the art of the deal.
This is what he does, so you kind of have
to if you there. They're never set in stone. None
of this is ever set in stone. But there will
be some price increases. But long term, if we can
bring manufacturing back to the States, we all benefit. That
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is a massive win for especially coming into the AI age,
where you know everybody's gonna potentially lose their jobs in
various sectors. If we can have manufactured I don't think
AI can manufacture things.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm pretty sure I think we are one of those
shifts in the economy where you went from the buggy
whip to the vehicle, where you went from coal to oil.
We went from analog to digital. Now we're going into AI.
Being there in that crease and the fall the future
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investment needs to he needs to be here from processing
rare earth minerals, finding them here, processing them here, building
our pharmaceutical precursors here and smiconductors.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Don't forget that people who have a job in manufacturing
and are making say ninety two one hundred thousand dollars
a year, they're looking to buy what a car that
might help in the long run.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And it's Trump says it best. There are no tariffs
if you make if you use American resources and American labor,
And there.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Are no tariffs if you get rid of the tariffs
that you're charging us. These are reciprocal.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Right, So it's mind blowing that we have the faith
militant out there against dog Musk and all he's doing
is fraud, waste and abuse, right advising, we have the
faith militant going after anyone like Tom Homan and Ice.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
For deporting gang members.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Right recognize tattooed up affiliated terrorists. They may be gang
members in their country, but they're terrorists to us. And
the Faith Militant as calling one of these guys Maryland father.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
The Faith Militant now is out against tariffs. If Trump
said we have the cure to cancer, what are they
going to say?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
No cancer?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, no, right, we need cancer. Look how much money
is made fighting cancer? What about all those jobs? Literally,
this is the ways the Faith Militant thinks. So Ryan,
just some practical questions. Tell our listeners again, what does
this mean if you're planning on buying a new vehicle
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in the next twelve to eighteen months, assuming these tariffs
are here for a while, what advice do you give
to our listeners?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Sure, I think I new used. I think you do
buy new. And here's why.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I mean, what you're going to see is a lift
in the used car values. So if you have if
you have a trade in that that is going to
be increasing in value.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Okay, so it will be all it.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Should work out relative.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Anytime you have an increase in new car prices, typically
that's going to give you a lift in the used.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Car prices because they're all relative.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, So I'll be trading in a Toyota four Runner,
which are hard to find, and I assume the value
that Toyota four Runner is going to go it will okay,
yep uh?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And then now what are the people? What do we do?
You're saying, by a new American.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Car, I mean, that's your best bet.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And those prices are going to be Are they going
to come down?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Are they going to stay.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
The same, They'll stay where they are today, okay, but
they're going to be lower than the foreign competition.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, twenty five percent at least.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
And you have to look too.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Like with us, the model lines that are most affected
are the ones that are are are are built with
content that's not from here and assembled and final production
in overseas and.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Get shipped here.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But those are largely the least expensive cars we sell,
Like a twenty two thousand dollars Chevy Tracks.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Slap twenty five percent on that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, Now, why would tell me again?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Why would a Chevy Tracks, an American brand, yep, get
hit with the twenty five percent tier.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Because it has brought overseas where it made South Korea?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Okay, So Chevy, do you sell Chevy Tracks? Oh yeah, Okay,
so great value, you have to well, I guess it
hits at twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
But the so, now, do you as a dealer, are
you paying attention to where these vehicles are being made
or not?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
What do they just get shipped to you?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
They well know, we order them?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Uh and and the truth is is we won't pick
and choose right.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Uh what we order.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Do you think there's a plan to make Chevy tracks
underway in the US yet? Uh?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I think while twenty five I don't know what portion
of that's going to get passed on the consumer. But
my guess is somewhere around two to three thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
What happens that doesn't make that car? On affordable cars.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
The Hyundai, Kiya, both those brands are just popping off.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What happens to those guys?
Speaker 5 (36:38):
So it just depends which models are made here. And
I know they have some manufacturing here.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, so you could so a Hyundai is made in Alabama?
I think I think there's plan.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
BMW's are made in the US.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Okay, So you when you go look, you now are
you're going to be looking for are we talking about?
It's got to have at least fifty one parts.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think work. I think what happens is like when
they first opened up the American Honda plant there in Marysville.
Basically they they had all the parts made in Japan
and then they just brought all the parts over here,
and then it's made them here or assembled them here.
So what you're still having is most of that car
is still Japanese, but it's just being made at the
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final end. He's talking about sort of almost like an
algorithm of some parts are made and some parts aren't.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yep, it's going to be complicated. It is.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
It's not complicated for us because ultimately you're going to
see you'll see a little bit of fluctuation in the prices,
but I don't think you're going to see a straight
twenty five percent added to the top of the hood
on all of these models.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, so there we have Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Okay, so we have American brands being made overseas, yep,
we have foreign brands being made in the US. So
it seems like the winners here are the foreign brands
made in the US or.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Tesla which everything is made in the US.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yep, every batteries made, everything sold in this.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I thought their batteries were made in China, a gigafactory,
all right, you know. And there's there's the apparent hypocrisy
or irony that Elon is in the White House and
Tuzla is the one that's gonna get the big benefit.
All he's doing is he's already put his money where
his mouth is, right.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I don't buy the idea that a guy with five
hundred million dollars really needs that extra three billion. I
don't think he's scamming to get an extra three billion.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You know, how much does he have? Five hundred billion?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I mean that when you look at when you add
up all of the stuff that he has, I just
don't see. I don't think he cares begging and scraping.
I don't think he cares about money exactly.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Here's why I know there's not some grand scheme to
benefit Elon is certainly because Elon doesn't even port is
seventy five dollars EV tax credit. He doesn't think you
need him to sell his vehicles.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
True, good point.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, all right, Ryan, thanks for joining us, Thanks for
having me, Thanks again for being our sponsor, Gentleman's handshake,
and always taking good care.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Of us and allow us to talk to our listeners.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
The General and I are going to pick up We
got to continue to stay on tariffs for a little bit,
but thanks for listening and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
General is great to see it again
Feel a little rusty, General, you ready to roll knocking
the rust off?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
It's been man, this is four weeks since we've put
a new show in the camp.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I think it's been a while.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
It's I spent most of March down in Florida and
Heaven's waiting room. We are recording this April second ninth,
mid morning right now, April second Liberation Day. We're going
to talk about tariffs. I think that it's very important
that our listeners understand as best we can explain.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
It's a terrific subject, the.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
Trump's terrific tariffs. I think we spelled terrific t A
R I F F.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I see.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
I think so you good with that, and I'm going
to chalk that up. Give credit for credit as due. General,
that's you. I said, hey, I think we need to
do a show on tariffs. Trump's getting clobbered on this,
and we need to make sure that the American people
who are being misled about the point of even mentioning tariffs,
which I think is probably number one, mentioning tariffs, and
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then how tariffs work, what they do don't do, and
then historically that's all our federal government funded itself up
until the income tax. And what do you know, our
founders said, no income tax on the on the no
direct tax on the people. So as soon as you
start taxing the people, then they stopped. They stopped the tariffs,
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and next thing you know, the American people are getting cleaned,
their clocks cleaned, their jobs, their uncle's jobs, their father's jobs,
all gone, all gone right, and in its place cheap
consumer goods that we don't need, we really don't need.
But that's the that's Trump's terrific tariffs show. That's what
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we're gonna do today.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
And we have a special guest.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
We are rarely do we have a guest, but we
do have a special guest in stead you today. We're
going to keep him under wraps for a few minutes.
The reason I wanted to bring in this special guest
is as we move through journalism and reporting and kind
of interpreting what's happening in the world, where do you
(02:18):
go for your sources of information. We're very much living
in a post truth world where you just don't know.
You don't know if you're getting the full story, if
it's tainted, if there's some bias or motive behind the stories.
Speaker 2 (02:35):
You just don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
You also don't know what's not being referenced either, So we.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Have to bring in a guest and someone who understands
tariffs and a little bit of a hint automotive and
so that'll be next segment. General I mentioned it went
down to Florida. Miche and I went down and we
spent most of March down in the Gulf coast of
(02:59):
a Mayor America. I will tell you I'm not quite
ready to spend too much time down in Heaven's waiting room.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
I just you know you'll get there.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
I just can't get away from the feeling like what's
after this? Like where do you move after you buy
a place in on the Gulf of America and southwest Florida,
Like what's your next place?
Speaker 1 (03:18):
It's really nice? Your next place is it's really nice
or really bad?
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Sunnyside Acres with someone changing your diapers. I'm not ready
to go down to I'm not ready to get in
the deck circle.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Or are those daisies up there?
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Also?
Speaker 3 (03:36):
You know Naples, the whole Southwest, all over the coast
of Florida and most likely the coast of most of America.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
The wealth not just a little just not not.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Just a few multi multi million dollar homes that are
second homes, possibly third homes, but the volume of them.
Where's this money coming from? We're gonna do more shows
about this. Where does this money come from?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
All inherited? Is it earned?
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Is it part of fraud, waste and abuse. I do
find it coincidental that when the Federal Reserve and the.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
US Treasury.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Started to crank out trillions of new greenbacks and put
it into the economy, that all of a sudden, you've got,
like fertilizer, You've got giant ten, eight, twelve, fifteen, twenty
million dollar homes all over the place.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There's a correlation there somewhere. I think we need to
talk about that.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
And the hurricanes come through and sweep out the ones
that are over twenty years old, so they're constantly rebuilding,
for sure.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
The Democrat I went on a little bit.
Speaker 3 (04:54):
I did a thirty days news as best I could,
a thirty day news fast.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
I just tried to stay out of it and to
clean the head and clean my mind.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
What I've picked up is that Democrat Party is ruled
by the new Left's faith militant right. You watch Games
of Throne gray Thrones. Oh yes, so you know the
high sparrow right that that barefooted look like you. We're
a potato sack, very sack claude.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
Came across as being this humble, meek almost like a
Jesus figure, high sparrow right up until and then he
has the faith Militant, which are his young warriors, the
military arm and the enforcers.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Of his will, the Brownshirts.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
So there is a high sparrow, or there are some
high sparrows that are absolutely pushing back against everything that
the people that voted for make America first and make
America great.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
There's a high sparrow or two or three.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
We need to identify who the high spirit high sparrows
are other than George Soros and the Clintons.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
They're high sparrows.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
But now we have the faith militant who were who
used to chain themselves to trees as eco terrorists, and
now they are molotov cocktailing.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Evs, right, electric vehicles.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
The things that are they've said, we're going to save
the earth.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
So the Faith militant that this is the difference between
the new Left and the new right. The new left
has no fundamentals.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And they're in a purity spiral.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And they're in a purity spiral. Not even sure what
that is, but I like the sound of it. The right,
whether you're paleo conservative, you're libertarian, you're economic nationalist, you're
a populist, you're a conservative, traditional objectivists. Right, our foundation
doesn't change with the win America changed.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
We haven't.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
In this faith militant that's dropping molotov cocktails and boulders
into Tuzla's are the same people that were eco terrorists
against the polluters. They just do what needs to be
done without thinking it through. They're just that cheap brown shirt.
(07:31):
And it doesn't have to be fascism doesn't have to
be from the right.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
It comes from the left as well.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Well. It's government control over their.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Minds, yes, their minds, right, And they tend to be
people who have been marginalized in society for one reason
or the other.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
They all kind of look the same.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, well, well you don't take a shower, you all
start to look the same.
Speaker 3 (07:52):
And then the talking heads on CNN and CNBC, they've
got those glasses what'd.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
You call those?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
The smart girl glasses?
Speaker 3 (07:59):
This smart girl glass as they were this black frame.
Don Lemon right anyway?
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Who right?
Speaker 3 (08:05):
The public executions are back, so you have the Imperial
City of DC. Now we need to start talking about
the globocrats, the global Where.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Is the.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
Global empire? I'm right now, I'm gonna call it Brussels.
I see Brussels getting mentioned quite a bit. But there
is a high sparrow outside that. There's a higher sparrow
than George Soros. And the public executions are back. Anyone
that royals the established order. Donald Trump law Fair twenty sixteen,
(08:43):
twenty twenty, twenty twenty four. Bolsonaro and Brazil populist, He
would be maga banned from running. Georgesci in Romania would
have been a maga of Romania from running for president,
leading contender.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
And they don't just do recounts there, they do just
a reelection.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Salvini from Italy, same thing, Populist, economic nationalist would be
maga Salvini. Italy can't run for president leading the leading
candidate for the voice of the people, not the machine.
And then this week the penn and France, same thing.
(09:28):
So Lawfair, the global law fair, The global high sparrows
have their faith militants and they are absolutely going after
nationalist populist, the secure border folks, the protect our national
identity folks, the anti globalists. These are the lawfair victims.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Didn't they grab Terte out of the Philippines? Yeah, I
think they did about about two weeks ago.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
Those of us that were refuse to.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
Bend the knee do it in the same spirit as
our ulster Presbyterian ancestors. We refuse to bend the knee
the same as our founding fathers. And this is not new.
If you refuse to bend the knee, understand this is
the same story, different actors. Thankfully, at this point we're
(10:21):
not getting hanged, drawn and quartered, or burned at the
stake or publicly beheaded.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
And then quartered.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
But we are all at risk of sham trials for
thinking out loud and speaking out against the machine blog
wastes and abuse still in elections flooding the country of
millions of people.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
Refuse to bend the knee.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
I guess we'll.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Talk about tariffs next. Welcome back. I'm Attorney Brad Koffel.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
That is the general across the way from me, and
our special guest is in here.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
He will be unveiled in just a moment.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
We're going to talk about you gotta talk about tariffs.
Don't turn thet to talk about tariffs. You're being lied to.
And as a wanna be libertarian, as a free market capitalist,
I've always struggled with tariffs.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
But this must happen. We must have these tariffs.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
We're recording the show on April second, Liberation Day, the
rebirth of the American spirit, the rebirth of American productivity,
American capital. It needs to stay here, our jobs need
to stay here, and we need to reshure these things.
Every politician's talked about it since we woke up one
(11:39):
day in the late eighties early nineties and going you
go back to your hometown, or you go back to
the my cousin's up in Steel Country, northeast Ohio. I
go back, like, what the hell happened? This was Norman
Rockwell when I was growing up. Now it's a dystopian
scene from a bad video game. We are reversing policies,
(12:05):
horrible policies that gutted America forty years ago. We were
told cheaper goods, lower prices, but we weren't told the
cost of getting those following out, we now know that
in general, I want to jump on. Let's just say
we're founding fathers. We got a new country here, right.
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Do we tax our people?
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Or do we we.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
Have a you got to pay an admission fee to
have access to our people. If you want to sell
your goods to our people, you got to pay it admission.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Or do we have a government that's so small you
don't notice the amount of money that goes into running it.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
The founders set we know how taxes work. Taxes have been.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
The backbone of every rebellion, of every revolution, of every
every peasant revolt for centuries.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We have to stay away from taxing our own people.
We just have to Our revenue.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is going to come from the old fashioned way, which
is we're going to collect the bridge toll. You want
to come across the river and sell your goods to
our people, that's fine, but you're going to pay a
user fee to come over here and have access to
our people.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
To be fair to the other side of that, that
cost is passed on ahead it is.
Speaker 3 (13:36):
There's a cost associated with and it's Thomas Soul and
we're we are we are absolutely huge believers in almost
everything Thomas soul Is written Thomas soul said that the
tariffs are not a solution. Tariffs are a give and take.
You know, it's a it's a process of give and take.
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It is not a solution. But if you're starting your
own nation, you need some revenue. You've got to provide
basic public services.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
And the first law in the.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
First Congress, by Alexander Hamilton and James Madison and signed
by George Washington on the fourth of July. Can it
get any more American than this established a tariff just
like Trump's. And for most of our history, from going
(14:31):
from a colonial backwater to a continent spanning industrial colosses,
the United States has had some of the world's highest tariffs,
and that's how we funded our government.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
I think we do need to make sure that all
of our listeners are brought in here. Not everybody knows
what a tariff is.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Studios don't think enough.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I think most of our listeners know what a tariff is.
But give the quick Cup USA today Gannett News Service.
Speaker 1 (14:58):
A tariff is a charred that the country that is
importing things puts upon imported items in that charge. Maybe
it's five percent, maybe it's two percent, or maybe it's
much more to sell these foreign products in America. So
if we were to tariff let's say, Japanese automobiles, you'd
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be paying a lot more for Hondas and toyotas. If
we were to be tariffing oranges from Italy, you'd be
paying a lot more for Italian oranges.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Maybe it's all relative, you know, but tariffs are it's
a very specific, distinctive source of revenue because the government
does tilt the market away from imports towards domestic production.
Bottom line, national security in this global.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
In this global.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
World, there are just some things on national security we
must make here.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
We must.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
We learned that during COVID and whether it's desirable or disastrous,
hinges on what is important to you? Does is a
nation important?
Speaker 2 (16:08):
I think having a nation is important.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
I think a lot of globalists are looking for borderless nationalists.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
One world.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Is having a trade deficit a problem. They are very
smart people that argue both sides of that. My view
is very simple. If you can't make things, then you
are reliant on other countries. Other nations are not our friends.
We have no friends. We have some nations that we
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have shared interest with but they're not friends.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
The difference between allies and friends.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Right, So yes, we must use the threat of terariffs, tariffs,
and we must use tariffs, turn them on, turn them
off to reach a national goal. But we must be
able to produce things we need in time of war.
Speaker 2 (17:01):
Why because we're at war, are we?
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Yeah, whether you want to realize it or not, there
are nations that are warring with us.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, we live. We live in an anarchy in this world.
And Thomas Hobbs was it said that the anarchy is
a war of all against all.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Anyway, I think that you know, take the take the
revolution war that we're gonna produce our guests. We didn't
make sailcloth, we didn't make gunpowder, we didn't build chips.
You know, in the in the very beginning, we had
to buy these things sailcloth, gunpowder, necho wafers.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Uh, what youthful.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Now it's advanced semiconductors. Now, it's processing rare earth elements. Now,
it's making pharmaceutical precursors. Now, it's getting the supply chains
inside at our borders so that we don't have to
put carrier battle.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Groups all over the world and.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
Have one hundred and seventy bases around the world that
piss off those citizens, those locals.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
From other countries. We need our supply chains here.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
We need to get our American people trained or retrained
to become a skilled workforce. And most importantly, long term
investments need to come here, not other countries. And look
what Trump's done already in two months, We've got I
think three trillion dollars of new real money coming to
(18:45):
the United States.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
Hondo is coming.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
That's a lot. That's a lot of money, and those
are jobs.
Speaker 3 (18:50):
So anyway, I want to introduce our guests because when
we're talking about tariffs, and right now it seems like
the news is very heavily tilted against tariffs. So I
called up Ryan Gill from Chess Run Automotive, our singular
sponsor yesterday, and I said, Ryan, do you have a
(19:11):
few minutes you guys are you guys have had American
made vehicles for decades? Do you have an opinion on tariffs?
And as a patriot, would you be willing to come
on our show and talk to our listeners about tariffs
and your opinion?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
He said, who's caught? We're taken. He said, I'll be there.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Tomorrow morning, after the break, we're going to get Ryan
gil Che's Run Automotive and we're going to talk about.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Tariffs right from the horse's mouth.
Speaker 4 (19:46):
Hi, welcome back.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
I'm Attorney Brad Cofflin. This is Sport the Defense of
the American People General. We have a special guest, Ryan Gill.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
From Chus Run Automotive and.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
The If you're just joining us, thanks for listening, and
please stick around cause we're going to talk about tariffs.
And it's one of those topics that causes everyone to
yawn and check out, but it is so vitally important.
And I and General, when you and I were talking
about tariffs, we've never really talked about it on the show.
(20:15):
I don't think we've really talked about it off the
show either. I wasn't sure where you stood on it.
I'm want to be libertarian, free market capitalist.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
However, I have.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Pro I think tariffs, which are antithetical to libertarianism, are
very important, at least the threat of tariffs.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I don't want to compete against a bunch of these
damned European attorneys.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
So the bottom line here is we needed to get
to a source and that's gonna be Ryan Gill and Ryan,
I called you yesterday, Thanks for coming in. So do
you have an opinion on tariffs as a part of
a family that's been involved in big auto American auto
(20:57):
for decades?
Speaker 2 (20:58):
By the way, how long, how old is run?
Speaker 3 (21:00):
Not motive?
Speaker 5 (21:00):
So chess Round was founded in nineteen sixty three by
my grandfather, Norm Chess Round what year nineteen sixty three?
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Got it?
Speaker 3 (21:09):
And so when I called you yesterday, I said, what
is the what's your opinion on tariffs? And how's it
going to impact your business?
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (21:19):
So I think what I told you is I take
a step back and look at the bigger pic, look
at the bigger picture here, and this what this really
is is a forcing function to bring production back to
the States, which is I think vital to our national security,
to our economy. And for years we've seen globalism drive
(21:44):
drive production out of the States, which is which long
term is not good for the country sure, And so
short term what we're doing is it's an additional income
stream to supplement our tax dollars right to fund the government.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
What about higher prices, what's going to happen to what's
going to happen to Americans? They want to they're planning
on buying a new or used vehicle in the next
twelve eighteen months.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
So every manufacturer's got their own little issues. For instance,
General Motors produces some cars in South Korea. They produced
vehicles in Mexico.
Speaker 4 (22:23):
Canada.
Speaker 5 (22:25):
The largely the trucks and SUVs with the bigger margins
can be produced here for a profit, right, But the
ones that come across the border or come on a
boat are the ones that are going to be tariffed.
And every manufacturer's got sort of these similar similar characteristics
where just.
Speaker 3 (22:44):
Model by model American, So an American brand like GMC,
the Silver O which my favorite, I love that truck,
or the Denali Yukon Donali, what percentage of those.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Are in the US? Probably have? Okay? And then are
they are they assembled here? Assemble? When I say made,
I mean the parts come from where?
Speaker 4 (23:11):
So, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (23:12):
Complicated because you have engines and transmissions and and of
course all these various parts suppliers. The percentage of content
of a sierra is gonna show on the window sticker
of of the country of origin.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
When that what's that mean? Where it was assembled?
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:31):
Well, so there's two things you'll see on a sticker
one is percentage of content that has made in America.
And then you'll see where the final production is like
final assembly. And so all of this works together to
sort of paint a picture where you will have price
increases on certain vehicles. Some will have more than others,
(23:53):
just based on.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
So right now, what's the best not the tariffs are
kicked in, let's just say thirty days from now, you're
gonna go a new vehicle or use vehicle. Where are
Americans going to find the best value? And then where
are Americans going to see?
Speaker 4 (24:08):
Okay, so here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (24:11):
This is a great time to go buy a car,
by the way, because none of the vehicles that are
on on dealers' lots are have tariffs on them.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
So come buy a car this week.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So if it's already here, right, yeah, exactly right?
Speaker 5 (24:26):
And uh what you know, it's it's hard to know
exactly because we haven't received any new pricing on inventory
that we've ordered or that's in the system, so to
speak with with General Motors, you know, but it's it's it.
While it will be some of it will be passed
on to the consumer.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
I think General Motors will will absorb some of that.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you want a new BMW, you want a new Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:52):
So BMW is in a pickle.
Speaker 5 (24:55):
Uh not a ton of production over here, right, So
you know those Mercedes BMW.
Speaker 4 (25:03):
Lexus, some of those things that are all are they.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
All going to get jacked at twenty five So one
hundred thousand dollars cars already unbelievably expensive base model BMW
seven series, let's say, or And.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
The thought is is that people that buy those cars
can afford it.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
I just yeah, I mean I get it. I think
the super high line, I'm with you on that. But
I think one thing that I guess is unclear to me.
And by the way, we're speaking to Ryan Gill.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Are you third generation?
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I am third generation Detroit Auto always American mate, yep,
all right. My question is, Ryan, the auto industry was
absolutely a huge, major contributor to the Industrial Revolution, made
America phenomenal. World War One was just the beginning time
(26:02):
frame World War two, Detroit and its subsidiaries were huge,
and then a lot of their manufacturing went into military supply.
I believe we don't talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (26:14):
My question is.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
When did Detroit start to face decline as globalism encouraged
companies to move to production, move production out of the country.
When was that what you said, that would have been
the early nineties, early nineties, and it was because free
trade was it?
Speaker 2 (26:38):
I think what's the cause?
Speaker 5 (26:39):
I think a lot of it was the economic policies
of what the Clinton administration Bill Clinton. That's the time
when all of the Japanese brands had had a huge increase.
That's where their ascension really started was in the early nineties, Toyota, Honda, Luxus,
and honestly with General Motors. This came at a time
(27:02):
where General Motors wasn't building the best product.
Speaker 2 (27:07):
Why was that? What happened?
Speaker 4 (27:08):
So what I've always heard is.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
The c suite was replaced with a bunch of accountant
type mentalities, not car guys.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
We call these people smarty pants and where wore they go?
Smarty pants ruins it.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
So, remember you had all these brands. You had Cadillac,
you had Buick, you had Chevrolet. What they started, what
they thought they could do was they could build very
very much the same model and just put a new
badge on it and badge engineer a model for Buick,
for Cadillac and for Chevrolet, maybe put some fixings on there.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
That were so similar.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
That is why they all look so similar.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Turns out that customers didn't buy it, right, and that's
when we saw a huge decline in market share. I mean,
you got to go back to mid seventies, early seventies,
and General Motors had nearly a fifty percent market share
right that.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
It's stunning to me that General Motors was essentially like
meta Google, Apple, now Amazon and it and it's it
almost seems like it was either negligence or recklessness or
there was some sort of intent to bust up Big Auto.
(28:26):
I don't know what all the contributing factors were.
Speaker 4 (28:28):
Unions.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You're going to say to.
Speaker 3 (28:31):
You word all right, so these other countries don't have unions.
They have peasant labor, literally people who barely live. We
would consider it to be homeless if you looked at
where the workers and China come from, where they're hovels,
where they live in they live in at least from
(28:53):
what I've seen, never been there, but at least my
understanding fixtures, whatever what I've seen, and how much how
little they're paid, it appears as though they live in
what we would considered to be homeless, and they look
like they're large, right, So.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
After the break, let's tie it.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Let's dive a little bit more into tariffs and if it,
do you think it's going to work for the United
States to resure and is the pain worth the game?
Speaker 4 (29:22):
All right?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
For the defense of the American people.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
I'm attorney Brad Kaffel and I've got Ryan gil Children
Automotive Group, third Generation Detroit Auto. I want to ask
him straight from the source. Are the Trump's tariffs good
for your business? Bad for your business, good for the
automotive industry as a whole, good for America?
Speaker 2 (29:47):
What's your opinion?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
And by the way, full disclosure, you are the only
sponsor our show. We've never you've never asked to come on.
I invited you yesterday to come on.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
I was curious.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
No contract, there's no Yeah, we don't even have written
good grid. It's told it's a handshake. It's way out
to be. And I value your opinion and I trust
your opinion. And if you said to me yesterday, Trump's
team is making a horrible mistake like what Wall Street Journal,
in New York Times and all these others are saying,
(30:19):
I would i'd have a prob I'd be like, oh,
that stinks, because right now I think it's a really
great idea. How does this affect you personally and your
family and the business as a whole and in America
as a greater, greater whole.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
So without a doubt, there's going to be a little
short term pain. And I think I've heard Bernie Marino
talk about this. They are they're looking for ways to
roll into a tax bill where you can write off
interest on American made vehicles that you're you know, you
pay in your car payment.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
So they're going to get creative.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
But and I also look at it from the lens
of Trump is always negotiating, right the art of the deal.
This is what he does, so you kind of have
to if you there. They're never set in stone. None
of this is ever set in stone. But there will
be some price increases. But long term, if we can
bring manufacturing back to the States, we all benefit. That
(31:16):
is a massive win for especially coming into the AI age,
where you know everybody's gonna potentially lose their jobs in
various sectors. If we can have manufactured I don't think
AI can manufacture things.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm pretty sure I think we are one of those
shifts in the economy where you went from the buggy
whip to the vehicle, where you went from coal to oil.
We went from analog to digital. Now we're going into AI.
Being there in that crease and the fall the future
(31:54):
investment needs to he needs to be here from processing
rare earth minerals, finding them here, processing them here, building
our pharmaceutical precursors here and smiconductors.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
Don't forget that people who have a job in manufacturing
and are making say ninety two one hundred thousand dollars
a year, they're looking to buy what a car that
might help in the long run.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
And it's Trump says it best. There are no tariffs
if you make if you use American resources and American labor,
And there.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Are no tariffs if you get rid of the tariffs
that you're charging us. These are reciprocal.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Right, So it's mind blowing that we have the faith
militant out there against dog Musk and all he's doing
is fraud, waste and abuse, right advising, we have the
faith militant going after anyone like Tom Homan and Ice.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
For deporting gang members.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
Right recognize tattooed up affiliated terrorists. They may be gang
members in their country, but they're terrorists to us. And
the Faith Militant as calling one of these guys Maryland father.
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Right.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
The Faith Militant now is out against tariffs. If Trump
said we have the cure to cancer, what are they
going to say?
Speaker 1 (33:34):
No cancer?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah, no, right, we need cancer. Look how much money
is made fighting cancer? What about all those jobs? Literally,
this is the ways the Faith Militant thinks. So Ryan,
just some practical questions. Tell our listeners again, what does
this mean if you're planning on buying a new vehicle
(33:59):
in the next twelve to eighteen months, assuming these tariffs
are here for a while, what advice do you give
to our listeners?
Speaker 4 (34:06):
Sure, I think I new used. I think you do
buy new. And here's why.
Speaker 5 (34:11):
I mean, what you're going to see is a lift
in the used car values. So if you have if
you have a trade in that that is going to
be increasing in value.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
Okay, so it will be all it.
Speaker 4 (34:22):
Should work out relative.
Speaker 5 (34:24):
Anytime you have an increase in new car prices, typically
that's going to give you a lift in the used.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Car prices because they're all relative.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Right, So I'll be trading in a Toyota four Runner,
which are hard to find, and I assume the value
that Toyota four Runner is going to go it will okay,
yep uh?
Speaker 2 (34:42):
And then now what are the people? What do we do?
You're saying, by a new American.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Car, I mean, that's your best bet.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
And those prices are going to be Are they going
to come down?
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Are they going to stay.
Speaker 3 (34:55):
The same, They'll stay where they are today, okay, but
they're going to be lower than the foreign competition.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, twenty five percent at least.
Speaker 4 (35:03):
And you have to look too.
Speaker 5 (35:04):
Like with us, the model lines that are most affected
are the ones that are are are are built with
content that's not from here and assembled and final production
in overseas and.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
Get shipped here.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
But those are largely the least expensive cars we sell,
Like a twenty two thousand dollars Chevy Tracks.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
Slap twenty five percent on that.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Okay, Now, why would tell me again?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Why would a Chevy Tracks, an American brand, yep, get
hit with the twenty five percent tier.
Speaker 5 (35:36):
Because it has brought overseas where it made South Korea?
Speaker 2 (35:40):
Okay, So Chevy, do you sell Chevy Tracks? Oh yeah, Okay,
so great value, you have to well, I guess it
hits at twenty five percent.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
But the so, now, do you as a dealer, are
you paying attention to where these vehicles are being made
or not?
Speaker 2 (36:00):
What do they just get shipped to you?
Speaker 4 (36:01):
They well know, we order them?
Speaker 5 (36:03):
Uh and and the truth is is we won't pick
and choose right.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Uh what we order.
Speaker 3 (36:09):
Do you think there's a plan to make Chevy tracks
underway in the US yet? Uh?
Speaker 4 (36:16):
No?
Speaker 1 (36:17):
No?
Speaker 4 (36:18):
Uh?
Speaker 5 (36:19):
I think while twenty five I don't know what portion
of that's going to get passed on the consumer. But
my guess is somewhere around two to three thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
What happens that doesn't make that car? On affordable cars.
Speaker 3 (36:33):
The Hyundai, Kiya, both those brands are just popping off.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
What happens to those guys?
Speaker 5 (36:38):
So it just depends which models are made here. And
I know they have some manufacturing here.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yes, so you could so a Hyundai is made in Alabama?
I think I think there's plan.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
BMW's are made in the US.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
Okay, So you when you go look, you now are
you're going to be looking for are we talking about?
It's got to have at least fifty one parts.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
I think work. I think what happens is like when
they first opened up the American Honda plant there in Marysville.
Basically they they had all the parts made in Japan
and then they just brought all the parts over here,
and then it's made them here or assembled them here.
So what you're still having is most of that car
is still Japanese, but it's just being made at the
(37:26):
final end. He's talking about sort of almost like an
algorithm of some parts are made and some parts aren't.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yep, it's going to be complicated. It is.
Speaker 5 (37:36):
It's not complicated for us because ultimately you're going to
see you'll see a little bit of fluctuation in the prices,
but I don't think you're going to see a straight
twenty five percent added to the top of the hood
on all of these models.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Right, so there we have Wow.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
Okay, so we have American brands being made overseas, yep,
we have foreign brands being made in the US. So
it seems like the winners here are the foreign brands
made in the US or.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Tesla which everything is made in the US.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Yep, every batteries made, everything sold in this.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
I thought their batteries were made in China, a gigafactory,
all right, you know. And there's there's the apparent hypocrisy
or irony that Elon is in the White House and
Tuzla is the one that's gonna get the big benefit.
All he's doing is he's already put his money where
his mouth is, right.
Speaker 1 (38:32):
I don't buy the idea that a guy with five
hundred million dollars really needs that extra three billion. I
don't think he's scamming to get an extra three billion.
Speaker 2 (38:42):
You know, how much does he have? Five hundred billion?
Speaker 3 (38:44):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (38:45):
I mean that when you look at when you add
up all of the stuff that he has, I just
don't see. I don't think he cares begging and scraping.
I don't think he cares about money exactly.
Speaker 5 (38:54):
Here's why I know there's not some grand scheme to
benefit Elon is certainly because Elon doesn't even port is
seventy five dollars EV tax credit. He doesn't think you
need him to sell his vehicles.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
True, good point.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Yeah, all right, Ryan, thanks for joining us, Thanks for
having me, Thanks again for being our sponsor, Gentleman's handshake,
and always taking good care.
Speaker 2 (39:16):
Of us and allow us to talk to our listeners.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
The General and I are going to pick up We
got to continue to stay on tariffs for a little bit,
but thanks for listening and we'll talk to you next week.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
General is great to see it again
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