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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oftentimes I sit up here and will honestly gripe about
the atrocities of crime in our city or complain about
something that just doesn't seem to make sense. But on occasion,
every once in a while, I'm inspired by hope with
something that I've run into the week before. This week,
the message should be uplifting. It certainly was. For me
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to say there's been a lot of discussion about immigration
and illegal immigration this year is an understatement for me personally.
I'm a law and order guy, and as much as
I feel for the people who want to better their
lives of themselves and their family, I keep going back
to the fact that it has to be done within
the legal confines of our system. Is that not why
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many are fleeing to this country, to go to a
place where freedom rings and the rule of law keeps
society in check. It's so ironic that for many, their
first act on our soil is to blatantly and willingly
ignore these laws that they know is synonymous with freedom.
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Now I get it. We have to do better and
encouraging and processing the overwhelmingly good immigrants who want to
be Americans. We have to let the men or we
have let in way too many really bad people, though,
and unfortunately, at this time, the good people who want
to assimilate and be productive members of our community, they're
getting caught up in the turmoil. I feel for those
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who've been seen what it means to live undern oppressive government,
where it is common to be in fear for your life,
many not having access to basic needs and opportunities. Needs
and opportunities are only something they dream about in the
great nation known as the United States. I get it,
true immigrants get it, and honestly I would stand beside them,
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work beside them, and help them in any way, much
more so than these low life dregs on society that
can continue to fill our jails, drain our system, and
take advantage of every opportunity. I only wish this young
generation of Americans born on our soil, who have not
fought for this country, who take for granted the opportunities
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of this great nation, who will stand in protest rather
than work and contribute. I wish this generation would have
the pride in their hearts and the commitment to making
this country better, like many of these immigrants who want
to be in this country. I say this today because
a good friend of mine, a really good friend of mine,
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who's been an American for many years now, after seeing
firsthand how leaders keep entire nations at bay, A good
friend of mine who will bleed and die for this
country because he knows the alternative. How many of these
thugs can say the same Today. I bring this up
because my good friend, who legally immigrated to this great nation, well, well,
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this week his wife will become a citizen. He shared
with me the oath, the oath that she must affirm
to in order to become an American. Just listen to
these words that make up our citizen's oath, or oath
of Allegiance, as it's called, and imagine our young today
making this same commitment. I do, by here declare on
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oath that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign, prince, state, sovereignty of
whom or which I have hereton been a subject or citizen.
That I will support and defend the constitution and laws
of this United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
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That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same that I will bear arms on behalf of the
United States, when required by law, that I will perform
non combatant service in the armed forces of the United
States when we're required by law, that I will perform
work of national importance under civilian direction and required by law,
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And that I take this obligation freely, without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion. So help me. God, Wow, Wow.
Maybe it's time we the people are reminded what we have,
what we take for granted, and what so many others
are willing to die for to just call themselves an American.
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Congratulations to my friend's wife, Congratulations to my fellow American.
Good afternoon. Welcome Ton Target. We are broadcasting live from
the studios of LAPD Firearms arranging training for jeez, I
don't know where I'm at. Training facility. That's what it's called.
That's what it's been called for twelve years, and that's
where we're at. We're at nine nine to nine Bethel Road.
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I'm Eric the host. I am here with a great
live studio audience. There they are there, they are guys.
I am actually, you know what I'm remiss if I
don't also say that I'm here with Ella. Ella's back
of the studio, working all the buttons, making sure everything works.
Because this week, if you're watching on Facebook or YouTube, yeah,
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I'm here by myself for the minute, So don't turn
it off yet. Don't turn it off yet, but let's
get started, guys. We are the owners of LAPED Firearms
Range and Training Facility, interactive in law enforcement, but for
one hour on Saturdays, we put together a group of
firearm experts to discuss new products in the market, training tips,
and oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commitment
that has always been to bring you facts about our
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industry and help listeners and customers with safe, responsible ownership
of firearms. Today on the show, before you turn it off,
because it's just me up here, listen to this lineup
that we have. So in the absence of JC today,
he's doing well. He'll be back next week. We've invited
our good friend Steven Goatowski, the founder of one of
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the most respected fire arms publications out there called The
Reload Place, where JC goes to get a lot of
the news. He's going to join us here at twelve
fifteen catch us up on all the important stuff that
we that happened this week in the industry, and there's
been some really important stuff, so we will have him
on here momentarily. At twelve thirty, we're going to introduce
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you to someone actually, to a brand that we just
picked up here at the store. I met him a
few months ago, and their sales manager is going to
jump on with us. The brand is OA Defense. You
may never have heard of them, but they make a
fantastic line of double stack nineteen eleven style pistols, sometimes
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referred to as twenty eleven's and we have him right
here at the store. It is certainly something you're going
to want to hear when we invite Dan to it.
And just when you thought it couldn't get any better,
at twelve forty five, my good friend Louise is going
to jump on with us for a few minutes and
tell us tell us some things we need to pay
attention to. You know, it's no secret out there that
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our sales, the sales of guns and firearms is down nationwide,
and that's something that happens a lot of times. When
you see the swings of the political offices, people become
a little bit more secure in their feelings and so
we don't see as much on the sales side, but
Luis is going to tell us about something that's kind
of going on under the kind of under the fray
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out there and something we need to pay attention to
going forward. So at twelve forty five, we're going to
invite our good friend Louis up to the studio as well.
With us. We'll have to think our sponsors US law Shield, Jackson, Egress, Windows,
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LAPD Training Facility all will make the show possible each week.
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which is always kind of fun. Guys, it was a
busy week this week. I don't know if you heard.
I was on The Blazer Show for a couple hours
on Thursday. Always good to sit with the experts and
those guys who do it every day, but I have
to apologize to him. I don't know if you heard
it out there, but he actually read one of my
texts to him on air. Makes me think about my
text to him going forward. But anyways, he read one
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of my text to him and I said, as a
lead up, we were doing some show prep. I said, Mark,
you know what, I think it'd be a great idea
if you let me shoot you with one of the
burner launchers. We talk about it all the time, and man,
that would make it for some great radio.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I was kind of tongue in cheek. Obviously on radio
you wouldn't be able to see it and stuff, but
I thought, you know what, that might be kind of
a neat thing. And he replied back and said, what
let me shoot you? And I'm like, wait, that's gonna hurt.
So I went out there and said, looking at the videos.
I posted one up there on our Facebook page, and wow,
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that would have hurt if you look out there on
our Facebook page. We posted some of the videos that
are common out there people testing it. And just as
a testament to the burner launcher, I would not want
to be in front of even the kinetic rounds that
come out of that. It leaves a nasty welt, sometimes
breaking the skin a little bit. A great lesson lethal alternative,
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but wow it Yeah, I'm glad we didn't go through
it that. Sorry Mark for suggesting that we had a
little bit of fun with that though, Guys, I want
to get to one bit of really good news. OGCA.
We talked about them getting kicked out of their facility
in southern Ohio, and but next year they have announced
now two shows in Columbus. I think it's probably been
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twenty five years since they've been in Columbus. OGCA Ohiogun
Collectors Association, and so they're going to be back in
Columbus at the x High Xpo Center. Looking forward to
that next year. What else do we have here? Oh?
Going around the store, we've been talking a lot about
the big beautiful bill and about suppressors, about how that
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two hundred dollars tax stamp is going away come January first. Well,
we decided to do something to help because obviously between
now and then, we're getting a lot of people saying, geez,
why would I buy a suppressor right now and still
have to pay the tax stamp when in just a
few months, it wouldn't have to pay that well starting well,
I guess immediately here I'm looking at our paperwork. If
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you come to our store purchase a suppressor that we
have here in stock, or one through our partners at
Silencer Shop, or have us order one, you can purchase
it today, pay for it today, and we won't do
the paperwork until January first, when the tax stamp goes away.
The benefit of that is right now, the stock of
suppressors is really good, but there's some apprehension going forward
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that it could get depleted a little bit with everyone
going out, So something definitely to consider. You know, over
the next couple weeks and months that you can come
here purchase that's suppressor now, we'll hang on to it
for you until January, which time we can submit it
and you save a little bit on the tax stamp. Guys,
let's jump to a break, because on the other side,
we're gonna get to our good friend Steven with the reloads.
You're gonna get us cut up on some news. We're
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on Target broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Farms arranged.
You will be back right after the break. Welcome back
to on target. I'm here's there joined today in the
LAPD studio. It's just me up here, but we're gonna
invite back to this show. One of our good friends
JC is not here today, so we thought we'd go
right to the stores source our friend Steven, who is
the founder of the Reload fantastic information if you've never
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been out there. They keep us updated on everything related
to firearms in the industry and just do a phenomenal
job over there. Welcome back to the show, Steven.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You are you know what? I am here in front
of the the big studio audience, in front of our
huge fan base. I'm committing to you next time. One
of these times, I'm gonna give you more than a
ten hour heads up about coming on the show now,
I really I appreciate it and stuff. Hey, a lot
of went on this week. I thought i'd go right
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to you because you guys wrote some great articles out there.
What happened this week in the farms industry?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, quite a lot. Perhaps most notably, we saw the
new budget proposal for appropriations from the House Republicans that
really slashes ATF's budget but also prevents the proposed merger
between the ATF and the DA and then actually dj
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released their rule, the proposed rule for rights restoration for
gun rights for previously people have been previously convicted, and
there's a lot of interesting stuff in there as well.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that is so back on the move to kind
of slash some of the ats funding and the merger.
I was never big on ATF merging with DEA. I'm
not sure why. It just this didn't feel right, and
I still think there's a purpose for ATF, but this
now it looks like it's going to be really trimmed
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down and maybe focus more on you know, the criminal
and not as much on the stores.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You can kind of assume, yes, well, at least if
you look at what d OJ had proposed, what they
asked for, which did include this big budget cut to ATF.
They they mainly in their detailed proposal, want to cut iolies,
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which are the industry, you know, the inspectors so overside.
The industry will be reduced significantly by this, whereas you know,
they're not making as many cuts to you know, agents,
to to criminal enforcement. So yeah, that that does seem
like the balance they're trying to go for, which is
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just left industry oversight and more focused on, you know,
the shorts of gun crimes. Now they are also at
the same time, there's a provision in this bill that says,
you know, ATF has to keep up a certain rate
of approval for NFA items or they lose another sixty
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percent of their funding. So it'd be interesting to see
how they they balance that. I guess these budget cuts
and requirements that they turn around registration forms in a
certain period of time, which is like one hundred and
twenty days. I think it's the longest deadline for that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Wow. You know it's important too. You mentioned about appropriation
for staffing, the ability for people to get their gun
rights back. I know there was a period of time
there where if somebody coming in to our store and
got denied, and there's oftentimes the individual would say, I
have no reason why I was denied. Maybe it was
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a common name, who knows why, And at one time,
I think was under President Obama's administration, the message was, sorry,
there's no appeal process. We don't have the funding to
appeal it. And I think that's been like that for
years now. So just to hear the fact that they're
going to bring that back where somebody has the ability
to appeal that because oftentimes I forget what the stat
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is the number of people who are denied at the store.
A good portion of those people were wrongfully denied. So
through an appeals process you hope that comes back.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, it's kind of two different I think those are
two different processes, I guess, because there's an appeal for
the now in mix or trying to get mixed records
corrected if you've been misidentified as a prohibited person. And
then there's the process for if you are a prohibited person,
like you have a conscription of some kind forgetting your
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rights restored under the Gun Control Act, which does have
a provision that allows for that, but as you noted,
has not been used or funded in decades, really since
the nineteen nineties, in part because there was a lot
of criticism around how the previous process had worked, and
there were a number of people who got their rights
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restored and then went on to recommit, you know, reoffend
later down the line, and so a DJ now is
it's interesting there wasn't any funding for this in the
House Appropriations Bill, but DJ has released their proposed rule
for how they're going to more formally, you know, do
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this process down the line, because they'd already you know,
it was a little bit of controversy around the first
batch of rights restoration efforts by the DJ by the
Attorney General Pambani, because Mel Gibson was part of it
and he had a domestic bonds mis demeanor and you know,
there was accusations that he used you know, political influence
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to get on the first tend to have the rights restward.
And so then now they've released this more formal process
that takes a lot more into account and they do
have a funding mechanism for it in their proposed rule.
So Congress doesn't seem to be wanting to put money
towards this, but DOJ is saying they're going to fund
it through fees, like person who goes to get the
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rights or store, we'll have to pay. It's not very
high sh It's like twenty dollars, but they believe that's
going to cover the cost of that process.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Good. That's good. That's good stuff. That's good, all good news.
Something that wasn't all that good this week, something out
of I think New York came out where kind of
the gun control advocates got a little bit of a
win considering the ability to I think sue stores and
so forth. I think I was a structed to judge
their rule that they can do that now.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, so, as I'm sure a lot of your listeners
are well aware, there's a federal law called the Protection
of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act that prevents lawsuits against
gun businesses over the criminal acts of third parties that
they weren't you know, directly involved with. You know, so
basically someone buys a Smith and Lesson and then they
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kill someone with it, that you can't sue Smith and
Lesson unless Smith and Musson like actively participated in the crime.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It's sort of the people often compared to drunk drivers,
Like if someone is driving drunk and they hit you
in their forward, you can't sue forward and hold them
liable for that action. So it's a similar concept here,
and there's a federal law that that for business sorts
of suits. However, the federal law has exceptions to it,
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right if the gun business involves broke a law in
some way, that can often you know, mitigate the liability
protections of the federal law. And to some states, especially
in the wake of the Sandy Hook settlement with the
Remington insurers several years back, have tried to pass state
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laws to make these kinds of lawsuits that fit into
that exception easier to file. And so there's a New
York law that says if gun companies are creating a
public nuisance through their you know, their advertising or their
business practices, then you know, that's a state crime that
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then qualifies as one of these exceptions to the Federal
Protectional Law of Commerce in Arms Act. And there's been
challenges against these sorts of state laws since they came
on the books. And yeah, this week, the industry, the
National Shoot Sports Foundations, the trade association for the industry,
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they lost in at the appeals court level in federal
court on going after this wall. And so that's a
setback certainly for the industry and a win for gun
control advocates.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, certainly we'll keep in touch with that as that
goes through the process. Hey, one last thing too, as
we get close on time here this week, And this
was some good news I heard. This might have just
come down yesterday or Thursday evening, but the federal government
has now said they are not going to appeal the
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Mock versus Bondy lawsuit, and I think that's the one
that allowed or that said that arm braces are not
to be considered a short barreled rifle. And so there
was a chance that the government, I think they were
appealing that decision, and they came out this week and
officially said they have dropped the appeal hopefully done over
with arm braces are good to go.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yes, So they've entered into a settlement with Fiance Policy
Coalition and other plaintiffs over that rule. And it's similar
to what they did with forced reset triggers a few
weeks back, where they're no longer pursuing that case, and
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that is Yeah, it's a positive development. That was another
thing that was in the the up appropriations bill was
saying that you can't fund that, you can't use these
funds to enforce the pistol brace rule or the ghost
gun rule, or or the engaged in the business rule
from the Biden administration era. So yeah, there's been a
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lot of uh changes on that front for sure, And
you know, I think you'll be interesting to see that
you know, that committed to trying to roll back those
rules through actual rulemaking, which is, you know, like a
year long process. They haven't actually started that yet, and
so I don't know if they're gonna not bother now
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that they've settled this case. That'll be something to watch for.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Wow. Certainly certainly some good news going forward. Well, Unfortunately,
as they say, we're a little bit out of time now.
Thanks Steven so much for calling in. When or where
can people find The Reload?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, you just head to thereload dot com and sign
up for a free new weekly newsletter if you want
to cheap up today with what's going on with guns
in the mire yep.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then actually you have a subscription service that gives
you a little bit more. That's what we do. It's
certainly well worth it and check it out. Stephen Katowski,
the founder of The Reload, thank you so much for
sitting in today doing the news for us, and we'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Absolutely thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Thanks guys. Guys. When we come back from the bottom
of the ur news, we're gonna talk about a defense
a new product line here at the store that you
might want to take a look at. We're on talking
about bacasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms Range.
We'll be back after the break. Welcome back on target.
I'm you who's there? Joined today in the l EPD studio.
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We got a list of guests and our next one
is one that you are not gonna want to miss.
I had an opportuny to meet our next guests a
month ago at a conference, kind of an industry wide conference,
and I'll be honest, they were literally hundreds and hundreds
of tables and manufacturers set up, I mean anything you
can imagine to have to do with the industry. They
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were set up kind of a bit overwhelming. Traditionally for
myself not been a guy who was interested in I
guess what you would call race guns, and so you know,
I kind of took a look at some of these
and walked by this next company, Oway Defense caught my
attention though, because not only the fit and feel of
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the firearms, but the caliber. The people behind the table
were just extraordinary, and I sat and talked to them
for a long time, and I mean, I guess it
worked because now I'm looking at these for myself and
it's not just a race gun for competition, but there's
more and more people, especially in the law enforcement side,
as well, who are carrying some of these for their
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personal protection. So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna
call those guys up, get them to jump on the
show with us, tell us a little bit about the
company since we now carry them right here in the store.
So with all that, Dan, welcome to on Target. How
are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Thanks good.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Really really appreciate the chance to be on your show
and spread the word about defense.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, I tell you what, I was super impressed. I mean,
you know how crazy that that conference was with people everywhere,
and to be honest with you, I walked by a
lot of tables that it just didn't stop at because
there was just just too much. But your table, the
OAY Defense table, caught my attention and talking with you
and some of the other guys there, Wow, it didn't
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take long before I was sold on it. So I thought,
you know what, that'd be a great new product line
to bring to the market here in Columbus. And what
better way to kick that off than than having you
on with us. So tell us for those who don't
know about your product line in the company, tell us
a little bit about OA Defense.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, thanks, appreciate that. So about three and a half,
maybe almost four years ago, a few friends in the
firearms community, guys that are high level competitive shooters, military
special offs, background types, and folks in the firearms community
and the manufacturing side literally sat down over a couple
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of drinks and drew out on the back of the napkin.
You know, what, do we really really wish we had
in a firearm that just doesn't exist today. Everyone knows
about the durability of the reliability of the Block or
water PDP or some of the other brands are out there,
and everyone knows about the high end race guns Stacado, Sti, Atlas,
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Taran Tactical, but there's nothing in between, the blended the
best of both worlds. You know, Block can run in
any conditions. The high end race guns, they're amazing machines,
but they're expensive to buy, expensive home, expensive to maintain,
and they require perfect conditions to run well. It wouldn't
be nice if you got us to both worlds. And
our goal and what we've achieved is to give you
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duty gun reliability with race gun performance without having to
make a compromise. So that's that's kind of the impetus.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
For what got us started, And that's a good description.
And when I look at these, that's exactly what you
see in it. And like I mentioned, some of my
law enforcement buddies are now starting to carry these because
of the durability, the accuracy, the ease of use. I mean,
it really lends itself to being just a spectacular self
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defense weapons as well. So explain the appeal to these,
to these this level of firearms versus your glocks and
smiths that are out there. I mean, why would someone
turn and look to these? These las?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Great?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Great questions. So again it kind of goes back to
that desire to get a competition style trigger and the
performance has begun like that in something that you can
count on to work when it's dirty, dusty, muddy, nasty
and going to work in all conditions. And so that's
really what the goal was. Anybody that is a serious
shooter understands the need for repeatability muscle memory. So you
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want to have the same trigger feel and pull on
your duty gun as what you have on your race gun.
You know, you don't want to be jerking the trigger
intoicipating recoil. And everyone that's a serious shooter knows and
loves that single action only nineteen eleven style trigger. Ours
is based on the series seventy for the for the
real tech nerds, which is the most desirable of the
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nineteen eleven style triggers out there. But that's always been
the downfall of that platform, going way back in the
day when I carried a nineteen eleven in my time
in Army special operations, that was our concern, and that
was the downfall of that platform, not being able to
run in the dirt, but the trigger was what seted apart.
Then being able to operate in the worst case scenario,
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worst case conditions became the priority. But to do that
you had to give up that amazing, amazing form of preacy.
Away Defense's goal has been, like I said before, to
give you that race gun duty performance combined with the
duty gun reliability.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well and it I mean just the I mean you
certainly have achieved that in but the fit and feel
too is just extraordinary. They run on the sake three
twenty mags correct.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Correct, We'll let you have any caliber you want as
long as it's nine millimeter perfect. But yes, we also
built the gun around the six three twenty mag or
reason we chose that over some of the other magazine
choices out there, is it retains the classic nineteen eleven
grip aangle versus some of our competitors that are using
glock mags. They try to correct that block grip agle
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a little bit, but it's you can't completely eliminate that.
And for again, the serious shooter that recognizes that difference,
it can be a showstopper. It's not that I don't
like clocks. I own a couple of them, but that
grip aangle. No matter what I've done over my decades
of shooting, I still point a block high. But then
three twenty magazine allows us to have that nineteen eleven
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grip angle. It ensures that we have all metals, standles,
steeled body that drops free on a polymer grip or
a metal grip, and it increases the reliability into our ability.
Our attitude is kind of that we are the anti
double stack nineteen eleven, the anti twenty eleven, and that
we looked at all those issues with those platforms and
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corrected them. And the magazine design of the original twenty
elevens was never meant to run nine millimeters never. It
was designed around the forty five AVP in the thirty
eight super calibers and is inherently unreliable. You've got those
things in the dirt, forget about it. You've got to
completely break it down, clean it up. Sometimes you have
to send them back to the factory down and the
custom tune that would get them to work properly. And
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they're expensive and hard to find. You know, a SIG
three twenty mag from Magtole, who we partner with, cost
thirty dollars retail. A twenty eleven magazine can go for
as much as one hundred and twenty and you're never
going to find it, and they only give you two
with each gun. We give you up to five three
twenty mags and you can find them anywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Wow, I'm talking with Dan with OA Defense, a new
product line we've picked up here at l EPD one
we're super excited about. We actually have a couple in
stock now. If you're watching on YouTube and Facebook, you
can see them out there. Dan talk about the actual
product line. So what we have here in this store.
We have the Compact Pro and the Compact Pro Plus
(30:23):
in stock. Tell us a little bit about those.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Sure, Yeah, the Compact that is definitely our top of
the line can SMaL carry gun size and form factor
is not the smallest that threw is out there, but
it's going to be of the size that you can
actually manage and control. We give you on the Pro
models think ported, so all of our program is going
to have a ported barrel and slide. It's going to
speed up your cyclic rate just a little bit, a
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little less cycling mass. The ported barrels of v Port
keeps the exhaust off of the front site and off
of your optic but it reduces recoil by twenty to
thirty percent without having to add additional length with the Commons.
In addition to that, the upgrades on our Pro models
are going to be a spring precision, extended mad release.
We're going to give you a better three to three
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and a half pound trigger over the standard duty four
and a half pound trigger, and we're going to give
you five magazines to all the Pro models. Our standard
models get three. In addition all that, you're going to
get three tritum front sides of tribum rear side, three
optics plates, an aluminum mag well, and a really nice
range bag as well. With every single gun going to
the Compact Pro Plus. The plus all that really is
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it just adds in a full length grip module or
mag well, and so that is going to be a
little bit larger form factor. But because we deleted the
grip SAFTM in nineteen eleven design, it is easily swapped
by the end user, but just a couple of screws
between the full length and the compact so you can
have the best of both worlds all in one gun
with just a couple of screws. And so that is
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kind of the do it all gun. The Compact Pro
Plus you could add in a thread of BIL for
a suppressor, you can add a plane barrel for limited
class competition, or keep the porter barrel for open carry
duty use, or swaps the compact bag well for your
CCW needs.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Wow. These and this is what really attracted me to
the OA defense just because you could you could see
right away that this is something you could certainly carry,
had a wonderful feel in your hands, and then everything
that it came with was just fantastic. When you look
at the number of magazines and of course everything that
came in the container. As we kind of hit up
(32:29):
against on time. The one though that gets a lot
of attention. Unfortunately, we haven't seen it yet here at
the store, but they're in Root is the pro Elite
and when I held that out at that convention, it
was it was wow, it was stunning. Tell everyone a
little bit about what you get in the pro Elite model.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, the pro Leaders are definitely what I like to
call our APEX predator. When you say elite in our lineup,
think about our all metal grip so on, that gun
which retails is thirty one to fifty, which competes again
some of our other guys that are forty six hundred
eight thousand dollars. Even our gun, our thirty one to
fifty gun, would go up directly against those with an
all metal grip. We underestimated how popular that was going
(33:10):
to be. That actually is Parcipicavious having to buy four
more million machines to the tune of about SYD million
dollars to keep up with demand. But yeah, no, that
is our absolute flagship and has a really aggressive texture
to it. Most of the guys on our team at
the decision making level will come from one of three backgrounds,
either special ops, military slot level PD, or high level
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competitive shooter, and we designed that grip with the input
from all those guys. For those guys, our customer base
is the people that are behind the gun and behind
the decision making. That's how we're able to come up
with all these design features. And we recognize that that
is the critical portion. And so somebody is the serious
shooter recognizes that you want to lock that gun in
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between the safeties and the gas levels of recoil platforms,
and then this really aggressive grip with the porting that
gun doesn't move. One of my friends who picked one
up recently said it it's.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Like a cheat code.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
It literally, it makes it like you're shooting downloaded Ammo
between all those things. Now, it's not for everybody. It's
a it's an aggressive grip, and that's why we thought
it wasn't going to be as popular as it is.
But it's by far and away our bestseller. So it's
a full size gun. It's not design for consilled carry.
It's an open carry, duty, competition oriented pistol for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And you stole my line and I was gonna say
it's like cheating. I mean it you almost feel guilty.
I mean you know, it's almost it. Yeah, it's it's
that smooth. Well, hey, thank you so much for jumping
on helping us to announce us carrying your new product line.
We look forward to a great partnership. If you guys
are ever in this neck of the woods, you got
to stop buying and shoot some rounds with us. But
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we really, really really appreciate you jumping on on a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Absolutely, thanks Er, I appreciate your time. Look forward to
getting out there and seeing you guys in person.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Great. Thanks so much. That's Dan from OA. Defensive product
line that we have here in the store is certainly
worth checking out. Guys. We're gonna jump to a break.
On the other side, my buddy Luis is gonna jump
on with us, talk about some things that we really
need to think about, uh in these times, and much
much more wrong talk broadcasting life from the studios of
l APD Farms arranged. We'll be back after the break.
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Smart talk in between. I'm not sure about that. I'm
not sure we help that one.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Welcome back to on Target. I'm your host, Eric joined today.
We have had a slew of guests today and I
guess he's telling me I'm saving the best to last,
but I don't know up next with us here for
the remainder of this show, my good buddy, good friend
Luis who who has a wife who is going to
become an American citizen this week.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Thank you, thank you, thank you much.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, as you know, we've we've talked to him over
the time, and him and I talk all the time
throughout the throughout the week, and he has a great
pulse on what's going on within our communities. This week, though,
him and I got together and he told me a
couple of things that, man, it helps me a little
bit worried. And you don't want to walk around being paranoid,
(36:08):
but certainly you have to be prepared. And this week, though,
I thought it's worthwhile having him jump on with us
and hearing it firsthand. Luisa tell us a little bit
about what's going on in some of these communities that
we might not have seen otherwise.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Well, good afternoon, everybody, Thank you to your audience everything.
Thank you for your introductions. That make me very emotional.
But that's a big goal that we achieved. Okay, my
wife's citizenship. Well, let's go to the point. Two thousand
February two thousand February ten, two thousand and seventeen, Senator
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Marco Ruvio, today Secretary of State his speak, spoke on
the Congress about the situation the government of Venezuela and
the tieson with Iran. Okay, so that year the government
of Veniceuela at eight point five new people to the
(37:04):
immigration system and two hundred twenty one thousand were from
Arabic country and one hundred and seventy three of these
person were from Syria living on Iran and Iraq. But
the worst thing about this is they provide then fake
(37:27):
Venezuelan passaports, and Venezuelan passaports can travel into one hundred
thirty countries around the whole world. Venezuela in two thousand
and five become the big, big, big friend of Iran
and they have programs of agriculture, construction, developing and weapons.
(37:52):
Today today they are building drums for war, small drums
that you can pack in your back and be with
a dynamite or any explosive and commit any disaster, any attack.
Mark uf you knew that from twenty seventeen and today
(38:15):
our Secretary of Defense and Miss Christinoight knows that what
happens is the last administration opened the border with one odjective,
get everybody. So many of these one hundred and seventy
three Venezuela and call citizens. They're already here seeking asylum.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
But they are what we call loner's wolves.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
They are just waiting in the right moment and the
right time where we are with our family to head us.
They send along with these people the TDA. Are you
familiar with the TDA train of Arawa game, they start
doing and committing crimes.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I told you four years before.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Remember, hey, theyre going to do the same thing that
Fidel Castros did with the Mariels on an As, but
this time is going to be worse because those criminals
from the TDA, they are not the regular gainsters of
that United States we are used to. They are a
doctrinate to destroy the American way of living. They hate us.
(39:26):
It's not only Venezuela, it's all.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
In Europe, in different countries.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
So my advice to you guys is wake up because
they're already here and we.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Don't know when they're gonna hit.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Us, right, and so that I mean, so if I'm
understanding you, correct, Luis. Some of these you know, with
the affiliation between Venezuela and Iran and some of these
other countries or their allies basically, and so they have
given passports to some of these other countries, to citizens
of these other countries who we wouldn't necessarily maybe not
(40:01):
allow or want in our country. But now they come
in under the guise of being a Venezuelan citizen or something,
and so lo and behold, we look up and boom,
here they are now.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Exactly I'm going to give you an example quote a
Palestinian Haqing Muhamme Ali Alvetta, member of HELLSBOLA. He was
arrested two months ago on Jordan by the authority working
with the United States. Ali another as wella that was
the poored like the year before from the United States.
(40:35):
Those two names that I gave you. So therefore I
keep telling everybody they can be alert, no paranoia, but
we had to be alert. I'm patrolling the streets every
day and I've seen people that they don't match where
they are. I seen trucks in a free way that
no numbers, no letters, not nothing. So we are too comfortable,
(40:59):
but they going ahead. And the TDA, the trend of Arawa.
It was only a court, so to keep our attention
away from what they are cooking right now.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Wow, and that's scary stuff. I mean, that's scary. We
all get somewhat complacent in our daily lives and there's
you know, we're relatively safe in our communities, and you know,
unfortunately on nine to eleven, we probably shared that same
complacency the day before. And so we need to be diligent.
We need to pay attention to what's around us. If
something doesn't look right, we need to say something, because
(41:33):
we are fools if we think the enemy has you know,
packed up and gone home. And with these last four
years of the border being open, they're here. They're here,
and we need to be diligent and doing making sure
that we're safe.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
And I don't blame what the government is doing depouring
all these people because I had to go through to
the system. I had to go to immigration doctor to
see if I got kodies to you get to take
Oh my god, and that was very irritatable, especially when
they told me take your pens off. I don't want
to go through that anymore, you know. So I had
to pay my feeds, I had to go to the
(42:11):
interview to the inspector I was recording, and they give
me a temporary paperwork and then I had to show
up back in two years and they did the same thing.
Then I decided to be an American to be able
to vote elect the right people to save this nation
because I come in from where it's not right where
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you and me will be in jail and the police.
Because we're talking about the government. This is freedom. So
I went to the school to learn about the American history,
and I went beyond from the paperwork, and I went
back again to the background check and paid my feet
and guess what, I went to the federal court.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
I took the oh, and I'm tell.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Him, these John punds, I'm burning the American flag in
college and it's a very nice be rich and being
Columbia University in burning right exactly, No, the double moral right.
But the difference between those young punks that they don't
have idea what is mean being America. I took an
out before a federal court that I will bear armed
(43:14):
to protect the Constitution of the United States, and this
pressure lane, yep, So watch out, guys.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
We're so thankful for people like you come in and
do that, and who can be true Americans. Hats off
to your wife. We're so super excited. I thought you
were going to bring her today so we could gratulate
her in person. Guys, thanks for spending the last hour
with us. Thanks to all of our guests, our good
friend Luis of course Dayan from Away Defense, our good
(43:41):
friend Steven from the reload, everyone. Hopefully they have our
full crew back next week. Have a safe, safe week
out there, stay cool, and as always, guys, let's be
careful out there.
Oftentimes I sit up here and will honestly gripe about
the atrocities of crime in our city or complain about
something that just doesn't seem to make sense. But on occasion,
every once in a while, I'm inspired by hope with
something that I've run into the week before. This week,
the message should be uplifting. It certainly was. For me
(00:23):
to say there's been a lot of discussion about immigration
and illegal immigration this year is an understatement for me personally.
I'm a law and order guy, and as much as
I feel for the people who want to better their
lives of themselves and their family, I keep going back
to the fact that it has to be done within
the legal confines of our system. Is that not why
(00:44):
many are fleeing to this country, to go to a
place where freedom rings and the rule of law keeps
society in check. It's so ironic that for many, their
first act on our soil is to blatantly and willingly
ignore these laws that they know is synonymous with freedom.
(01:06):
Now I get it. We have to do better and
encouraging and processing the overwhelmingly good immigrants who want to
be Americans. We have to let the men or we
have let in way too many really bad people, though,
and unfortunately, at this time, the good people who want
to assimilate and be productive members of our community, they're
getting caught up in the turmoil. I feel for those
(01:29):
who've been seen what it means to live undern oppressive government,
where it is common to be in fear for your life,
many not having access to basic needs and opportunities. Needs
and opportunities are only something they dream about in the
great nation known as the United States. I get it,
true immigrants get it, and honestly I would stand beside them,
(01:54):
work beside them, and help them in any way, much
more so than these low life dregs on society that
can continue to fill our jails, drain our system, and
take advantage of every opportunity. I only wish this young
generation of Americans born on our soil, who have not
fought for this country, who take for granted the opportunities
(02:16):
of this great nation, who will stand in protest rather
than work and contribute. I wish this generation would have
the pride in their hearts and the commitment to making
this country better, like many of these immigrants who want
to be in this country. I say this today because
a good friend of mine, a really good friend of mine,
(02:38):
who's been an American for many years now, after seeing
firsthand how leaders keep entire nations at bay, A good
friend of mine who will bleed and die for this
country because he knows the alternative. How many of these
thugs can say the same Today. I bring this up
because my good friend, who legally immigrated to this great nation, well, well,
(03:01):
this week his wife will become a citizen. He shared
with me the oath, the oath that she must affirm
to in order to become an American. Just listen to
these words that make up our citizen's oath, or oath
of Allegiance, as it's called, and imagine our young today
making this same commitment. I do, by here declare on
(03:26):
oath that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all
allegiance and fidelity to any foreign, prince, state, sovereignty of
whom or which I have hereton been a subject or citizen.
That I will support and defend the constitution and laws
of this United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic.
(03:49):
That I will bear true faith and allegiance to the
same that I will bear arms on behalf of the
United States, when required by law, that I will perform
non combatant service in the armed forces of the United
States when we're required by law, that I will perform
work of national importance under civilian direction and required by law,
(04:13):
And that I take this obligation freely, without any mental
reservation or purpose of evasion. So help me. God, Wow, Wow.
Maybe it's time we the people are reminded what we have,
what we take for granted, and what so many others
are willing to die for to just call themselves an American.
(04:38):
Congratulations to my friend's wife, Congratulations to my fellow American.
Good afternoon. Welcome Ton Target. We are broadcasting live from
the studios of LAPD Firearms arranging training for jeez, I
don't know where I'm at. Training facility. That's what it's called.
That's what it's been called for twelve years, and that's
where we're at. We're at nine nine to nine Bethel Road.
(05:00):
I'm Eric the host. I am here with a great
live studio audience. There they are there, they are guys.
I am actually, you know what I'm remiss if I
don't also say that I'm here with Ella. Ella's back
of the studio, working all the buttons, making sure everything works.
Because this week, if you're watching on Facebook or YouTube, yeah,
(05:21):
I'm here by myself for the minute, So don't turn
it off yet. Don't turn it off yet, but let's
get started, guys. We are the owners of LAPED Firearms
Range and Training Facility, interactive in law enforcement, but for
one hour on Saturdays, we put together a group of
firearm experts to discuss new products in the market, training tips,
and oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commitment
that has always been to bring you facts about our
(05:42):
industry and help listeners and customers with safe, responsible ownership
of firearms. Today on the show, before you turn it off,
because it's just me up here, listen to this lineup
that we have. So in the absence of JC today,
he's doing well. He'll be back next week. We've invited
our good friend Steven Goatowski, the founder of one of
(06:03):
the most respected fire arms publications out there called The
Reload Place, where JC goes to get a lot of
the news. He's going to join us here at twelve
fifteen catch us up on all the important stuff that
we that happened this week in the industry, and there's
been some really important stuff, so we will have him
on here momentarily. At twelve thirty, we're going to introduce
(06:24):
you to someone actually, to a brand that we just
picked up here at the store. I met him a
few months ago, and their sales manager is going to
jump on with us. The brand is OA Defense. You
may never have heard of them, but they make a
fantastic line of double stack nineteen eleven style pistols, sometimes
(06:44):
referred to as twenty eleven's and we have him right
here at the store. It is certainly something you're going
to want to hear when we invite Dan to it.
And just when you thought it couldn't get any better,
at twelve forty five, my good friend Louise is going
to jump on with us for a few minutes and
tell us tell us some things we need to pay
attention to. You know, it's no secret out there that
(07:06):
our sales, the sales of guns and firearms is down nationwide,
and that's something that happens a lot of times. When
you see the swings of the political offices, people become
a little bit more secure in their feelings and so
we don't see as much on the sales side, but
Luis is going to tell us about something that's kind
of going on under the kind of under the fray
(07:27):
out there and something we need to pay attention to
going forward. So at twelve forty five, we're going to
invite our good friend Louis up to the studio as well.
With us. We'll have to think our sponsors US law Shield, Jackson, Egress, Windows,
Black Wing Shooting Center, Rivers Edtion Cutlery, and of course
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(07:48):
If you miss the show, you can always catch the podcast.
Ella does a great job getting it right out there.
It's on iTunes, it's on iHeartRadio, it's on speaker really
any place that you get your podcasts, it is out there.
Facebook and YouTube is also out there. For the video edition,
you can kind of see some of the things on
our studio desk and see the interaction during the commercials,
(08:09):
which is always kind of fun. Guys, it was a
busy week this week. I don't know if you heard.
I was on The Blazer Show for a couple hours
on Thursday. Always good to sit with the experts and
those guys who do it every day, but I have
to apologize to him. I don't know if you heard
it out there, but he actually read one of my
texts to him on air. Makes me think about my
text to him going forward. But anyways, he read one
(08:30):
of my text to him and I said, as a
lead up, we were doing some show prep. I said, Mark,
you know what, I think it'd be a great idea
if you let me shoot you with one of the
burner launchers. We talk about it all the time, and man,
that would make it for some great radio.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Now.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
I was kind of tongue in cheek. Obviously on radio
you wouldn't be able to see it and stuff, but
I thought, you know what, that might be kind of
a neat thing. And he replied back and said, what
let me shoot you? And I'm like, wait, that's gonna hurt.
So I went out there and said, looking at the videos.
I posted one up there on our Facebook page, and wow,
(09:05):
that would have hurt if you look out there on
our Facebook page. We posted some of the videos that
are common out there people testing it. And just as
a testament to the burner launcher, I would not want
to be in front of even the kinetic rounds that
come out of that. It leaves a nasty welt, sometimes
breaking the skin a little bit. A great lesson lethal alternative,
(09:28):
but wow it Yeah, I'm glad we didn't go through
it that. Sorry Mark for suggesting that we had a
little bit of fun with that though, Guys, I want
to get to one bit of really good news. OGCA.
We talked about them getting kicked out of their facility
in southern Ohio, and but next year they have announced
now two shows in Columbus. I think it's probably been
(09:49):
twenty five years since they've been in Columbus. OGCA Ohiogun
Collectors Association, and so they're going to be back in
Columbus at the x High Xpo Center. Looking forward to
that next year. What else do we have here? Oh?
Going around the store, we've been talking a lot about
the big beautiful bill and about suppressors, about how that
(10:11):
two hundred dollars tax stamp is going away come January first. Well,
we decided to do something to help because obviously between
now and then, we're getting a lot of people saying, geez,
why would I buy a suppressor right now and still
have to pay the tax stamp when in just a
few months, it wouldn't have to pay that well starting well,
I guess immediately here I'm looking at our paperwork. If
(10:32):
you come to our store purchase a suppressor that we
have here in stock, or one through our partners at
Silencer Shop, or have us order one, you can purchase
it today, pay for it today, and we won't do
the paperwork until January first, when the tax stamp goes away.
The benefit of that is right now, the stock of
suppressors is really good, but there's some apprehension going forward
(10:55):
that it could get depleted a little bit with everyone
going out, So something definitely to consider. You know, over
the next couple weeks and months that you can come
here purchase that's suppressor now, we'll hang on to it
for you until January, which time we can submit it
and you save a little bit on the tax stamp. Guys,
let's jump to a break, because on the other side,
we're gonna get to our good friend Steven with the reloads.
You're gonna get us cut up on some news. We're
(11:15):
on Target broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Farms arranged.
You will be back right after the break. Welcome back
to on target. I'm here's there joined today in the
LAPD studio. It's just me up here, but we're gonna
invite back to this show. One of our good friends
JC is not here today, so we thought we'd go
right to the stores source our friend Steven, who is
the founder of the Reload fantastic information if you've never
(11:38):
been out there. They keep us updated on everything related
to firearms in the industry and just do a phenomenal
job over there. Welcome back to the show, Steven.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Hey, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
You are you know what? I am here in front
of the the big studio audience, in front of our
huge fan base. I'm committing to you next time. One
of these times, I'm gonna give you more than a
ten hour heads up about coming on the show now,
I really I appreciate it and stuff. Hey, a lot
of went on this week. I thought i'd go right
(12:10):
to you because you guys wrote some great articles out there.
What happened this week in the farms industry?
Speaker 2 (12:17):
Yeah, quite a lot. Perhaps most notably, we saw the
new budget proposal for appropriations from the House Republicans that
really slashes ATF's budget but also prevents the proposed merger
between the ATF and the DA and then actually dj
(12:38):
released their rule, the proposed rule for rights restoration for
gun rights for previously people have been previously convicted, and
there's a lot of interesting stuff in there as well.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
So that is so back on the move to kind
of slash some of the ats funding and the merger.
I was never big on ATF merging with DEA. I'm
not sure why. It just this didn't feel right, and
I still think there's a purpose for ATF, but this
now it looks like it's going to be really trimmed
(13:11):
down and maybe focus more on you know, the criminal
and not as much on the stores.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
You can kind of assume, yes, well, at least if
you look at what d OJ had proposed, what they
asked for, which did include this big budget cut to ATF.
They they mainly in their detailed proposal, want to cut iolies,
(13:37):
which are the industry, you know, the inspectors so overside.
The industry will be reduced significantly by this, whereas you know,
they're not making as many cuts to you know, agents,
to to criminal enforcement. So yeah, that that does seem
like the balance they're trying to go for, which is
(13:57):
just left industry oversight and more focused on, you know,
the shorts of gun crimes. Now they are also at
the same time, there's a provision in this bill that says,
you know, ATF has to keep up a certain rate
of approval for NFA items or they lose another sixty
(14:21):
percent of their funding. So it'd be interesting to see
how they they balance that. I guess these budget cuts
and requirements that they turn around registration forms in a
certain period of time, which is like one hundred and
twenty days. I think it's the longest deadline for that.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Wow. You know it's important too. You mentioned about appropriation
for staffing, the ability for people to get their gun
rights back. I know there was a period of time
there where if somebody coming in to our store and
got denied, and there's oftentimes the individual would say, I
have no reason why I was denied. Maybe it was
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a common name, who knows why, And at one time,
I think was under President Obama's administration, the message was, sorry,
there's no appeal process. We don't have the funding to
appeal it. And I think that's been like that for
years now. So just to hear the fact that they're
going to bring that back where somebody has the ability
to appeal that because oftentimes I forget what the stat
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is the number of people who are denied at the store.
A good portion of those people were wrongfully denied. So
through an appeals process you hope that comes back.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Well, it's kind of two different I think those are
two different processes, I guess, because there's an appeal for
the now in mix or trying to get mixed records
corrected if you've been misidentified as a prohibited person. And
then there's the process for if you are a prohibited person,
like you have a conscription of some kind forgetting your
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rights restored under the Gun Control Act, which does have
a provision that allows for that, but as you noted,
has not been used or funded in decades, really since
the nineteen nineties, in part because there was a lot
of criticism around how the previous process had worked, and
there were a number of people who got their rights
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restored and then went on to recommit, you know, reoffend
later down the line, and so a DJ now is
it's interesting there wasn't any funding for this in the
House Appropriations Bill, but DJ has released their proposed rule
for how they're going to more formally, you know, do
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this process down the line, because they'd already you know,
it was a little bit of controversy around the first
batch of rights restoration efforts by the DJ by the
Attorney General Pambani, because Mel Gibson was part of it
and he had a domestic bonds mis demeanor and you know,
there was accusations that he used you know, political influence
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to get on the first tend to have the rights restward.
And so then now they've released this more formal process
that takes a lot more into account and they do
have a funding mechanism for it in their proposed rule.
So Congress doesn't seem to be wanting to put money
towards this, but DOJ is saying they're going to fund
it through fees, like person who goes to get the
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rights or store, we'll have to pay. It's not very
high sh It's like twenty dollars, but they believe that's
going to cover the cost of that process.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Good. That's good. That's good stuff. That's good, all good news.
Something that wasn't all that good this week, something out
of I think New York came out where kind of
the gun control advocates got a little bit of a
win considering the ability to I think sue stores and
so forth. I think I was a structed to judge
their rule that they can do that now.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, so, as I'm sure a lot of your listeners
are well aware, there's a federal law called the Protection
of Lawful Commerce and Arms Act that prevents lawsuits against
gun businesses over the criminal acts of third parties that
they weren't you know, directly involved with. You know, so
basically someone buys a Smith and Lesson and then they
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kill someone with it, that you can't sue Smith and
Lesson unless Smith and Musson like actively participated in the crime.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
It's sort of the people often compared to drunk drivers,
Like if someone is driving drunk and they hit you
in their forward, you can't sue forward and hold them
liable for that action. So it's a similar concept here,
and there's a federal law that that for business sorts
of suits. However, the federal law has exceptions to it,
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right if the gun business involves broke a law in
some way, that can often you know, mitigate the liability
protections of the federal law. And to some states, especially
in the wake of the Sandy Hook settlement with the
Remington insurers several years back, have tried to pass state
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laws to make these kinds of lawsuits that fit into
that exception easier to file. And so there's a New
York law that says if gun companies are creating a
public nuisance through their you know, their advertising or their
business practices, then you know, that's a state crime that
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then qualifies as one of these exceptions to the Federal
Protectional Law of Commerce in Arms Act. And there's been
challenges against these sorts of state laws since they came
on the books. And yeah, this week, the industry, the
National Shoot Sports Foundations, the trade association for the industry,
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they lost in at the appeals court level in federal
court on going after this wall. And so that's a
setback certainly for the industry and a win for gun
control advocates.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Well, certainly we'll keep in touch with that as that
goes through the process. Hey, one last thing too, as
we get close on time here this week, And this
was some good news I heard. This might have just
come down yesterday or Thursday evening, but the federal government
has now said they are not going to appeal the
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Mock versus Bondy lawsuit, and I think that's the one
that allowed or that said that arm braces are not
to be considered a short barreled rifle. And so there
was a chance that the government, I think they were
appealing that decision, and they came out this week and
officially said they have dropped the appeal hopefully done over
with arm braces are good to go.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Yes, So they've entered into a settlement with Fiance Policy
Coalition and other plaintiffs over that rule. And it's similar
to what they did with forced reset triggers a few
weeks back, where they're no longer pursuing that case, and
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that is Yeah, it's a positive development. That was another
thing that was in the the up appropriations bill was
saying that you can't fund that, you can't use these
funds to enforce the pistol brace rule or the ghost
gun rule, or or the engaged in the business rule
from the Biden administration era. So yeah, there's been a
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lot of uh changes on that front for sure, And
you know, I think you'll be interesting to see that
you know, that committed to trying to roll back those
rules through actual rulemaking, which is, you know, like a
year long process. They haven't actually started that yet, and
so I don't know if they're gonna not bother now
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that they've settled this case. That'll be something to watch for.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Wow. Certainly certainly some good news going forward. Well, Unfortunately,
as they say, we're a little bit out of time now.
Thanks Steven so much for calling in. When or where
can people find The Reload?
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, you just head to thereload dot com and sign
up for a free new weekly newsletter if you want
to cheap up today with what's going on with guns
in the mire yep.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
And then actually you have a subscription service that gives
you a little bit more. That's what we do. It's
certainly well worth it and check it out. Stephen Katowski,
the founder of The Reload, thank you so much for
sitting in today doing the news for us, and we'll
talk to you soon.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Absolutely thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Thanks guys. Guys. When we come back from the bottom
of the ur news, we're gonna talk about a defense
a new product line here at the store that you
might want to take a look at. We're on talking
about bacasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms Range.
We'll be back after the break. Welcome back on target.
I'm you who's there? Joined today in the l EPD studio.
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We got a list of guests and our next one
is one that you are not gonna want to miss.
I had an opportuny to meet our next guests a
month ago at a conference, kind of an industry wide conference,
and I'll be honest, they were literally hundreds and hundreds
of tables and manufacturers set up, I mean anything you
can imagine to have to do with the industry. They
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were set up kind of a bit overwhelming. Traditionally for
myself not been a guy who was interested in I
guess what you would call race guns, and so you know,
I kind of took a look at some of these
and walked by this next company, Oway Defense caught my
attention though, because not only the fit and feel of
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the firearms, but the caliber. The people behind the table
were just extraordinary, and I sat and talked to them
for a long time, and I mean, I guess it
worked because now I'm looking at these for myself and
it's not just a race gun for competition, but there's
more and more people, especially in the law enforcement side,
as well, who are carrying some of these for their
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personal protection. So I thought, you know what, I'm gonna
call those guys up, get them to jump on the
show with us, tell us a little bit about the
company since we now carry them right here in the store.
So with all that, Dan, welcome to on Target. How
are you, sir?
Speaker 3 (24:15):
I'm doing well.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
Thanks good.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Really really appreciate the chance to be on your show
and spread the word about defense.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, I tell you what, I was super impressed. I mean,
you know how crazy that that conference was with people everywhere,
and to be honest with you, I walked by a
lot of tables that it just didn't stop at because
there was just just too much. But your table, the
OAY Defense table, caught my attention and talking with you
and some of the other guys there, Wow, it didn't
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take long before I was sold on it. So I thought,
you know what, that'd be a great new product line
to bring to the market here in Columbus. And what
better way to kick that off than than having you
on with us. So tell us for those who don't
know about your product line in the company, tell us
a little bit about OA Defense.
Speaker 3 (25:00):
Yeah, thanks, appreciate that. So about three and a half,
maybe almost four years ago, a few friends in the
firearms community, guys that are high level competitive shooters, military
special offs, background types, and folks in the firearms community
and the manufacturing side literally sat down over a couple
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of drinks and drew out on the back of the napkin.
You know, what, do we really really wish we had
in a firearm that just doesn't exist today. Everyone knows
about the durability of the reliability of the Block or
water PDP or some of the other brands are out there,
and everyone knows about the high end race guns Stacado, Sti, Atlas,
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Taran Tactical, but there's nothing in between, the blended the
best of both worlds. You know, Block can run in
any conditions. The high end race guns, they're amazing machines,
but they're expensive to buy, expensive home, expensive to maintain,
and they require perfect conditions to run well. It wouldn't
be nice if you got us to both worlds. And
our goal and what we've achieved is to give you
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duty gun reliability with race gun performance without having to
make a compromise. So that's that's kind of the impetus.
Speaker 1 (26:09):
For what got us started, And that's a good description.
And when I look at these, that's exactly what you
see in it. And like I mentioned, some of my
law enforcement buddies are now starting to carry these because
of the durability, the accuracy, the ease of use. I mean,
it really lends itself to being just a spectacular self
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defense weapons as well. So explain the appeal to these,
to these this level of firearms versus your glocks and
smiths that are out there. I mean, why would someone
turn and look to these? These las?
Speaker 2 (26:46):
Great?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
Great questions. So again it kind of goes back to
that desire to get a competition style trigger and the
performance has begun like that in something that you can
count on to work when it's dirty, dusty, muddy, nasty
and going to work in all conditions. And so that's
really what the goal was. Anybody that is a serious
shooter understands the need for repeatability muscle memory. So you
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want to have the same trigger feel and pull on
your duty gun as what you have on your race gun.
You know, you don't want to be jerking the trigger
intoicipating recoil. And everyone that's a serious shooter knows and
loves that single action only nineteen eleven style trigger. Ours
is based on the series seventy for the for the
real tech nerds, which is the most desirable of the
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nineteen eleven style triggers out there. But that's always been
the downfall of that platform, going way back in the
day when I carried a nineteen eleven in my time
in Army special operations, that was our concern, and that
was the downfall of that platform, not being able to
run in the dirt, but the trigger was what seted apart.
Then being able to operate in the worst case scenario,
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worst case conditions became the priority. But to do that
you had to give up that amazing, amazing form of preacy.
Away Defense's goal has been, like I said before, to
give you that race gun duty performance combined with the
duty gun reliability.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Well and it I mean just the I mean you
certainly have achieved that in but the fit and feel
too is just extraordinary. They run on the sake three
twenty mags correct.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Correct, We'll let you have any caliber you want as
long as it's nine millimeter perfect. But yes, we also
built the gun around the six three twenty mag or
reason we chose that over some of the other magazine
choices out there, is it retains the classic nineteen eleven
grip aangle versus some of our competitors that are using
glock mags. They try to correct that block grip agle
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a little bit, but it's you can't completely eliminate that.
And for again, the serious shooter that recognizes that difference,
it can be a showstopper. It's not that I don't
like clocks. I own a couple of them, but that
grip aangle. No matter what I've done over my decades
of shooting, I still point a block high. But then
three twenty magazine allows us to have that nineteen eleven
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grip angle. It ensures that we have all metals, standles,
steeled body that drops free on a polymer grip or
a metal grip, and it increases the reliability into our ability.
Our attitude is kind of that we are the anti
double stack nineteen eleven, the anti twenty eleven, and that
we looked at all those issues with those platforms and
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corrected them. And the magazine design of the original twenty
elevens was never meant to run nine millimeters never. It
was designed around the forty five AVP in the thirty
eight super calibers and is inherently unreliable. You've got those
things in the dirt, forget about it. You've got to
completely break it down, clean it up. Sometimes you have
to send them back to the factory down and the
custom tune that would get them to work properly. And
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they're expensive and hard to find. You know, a SIG
three twenty mag from Magtole, who we partner with, cost
thirty dollars retail. A twenty eleven magazine can go for
as much as one hundred and twenty and you're never
going to find it, and they only give you two
with each gun. We give you up to five three
twenty mags and you can find them anywhere.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Wow, I'm talking with Dan with OA Defense, a new
product line we've picked up here at l EPD one
we're super excited about. We actually have a couple in
stock now. If you're watching on YouTube and Facebook, you
can see them out there. Dan talk about the actual
product line. So what we have here in this store.
We have the Compact Pro and the Compact Pro Plus
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in stock. Tell us a little bit about those.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
Sure, Yeah, the Compact that is definitely our top of
the line can SMaL carry gun size and form factor
is not the smallest that threw is out there, but
it's going to be of the size that you can
actually manage and control. We give you on the Pro
models think ported, so all of our program is going
to have a ported barrel and slide. It's going to
speed up your cyclic rate just a little bit, a
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little less cycling mass. The ported barrels of v Port
keeps the exhaust off of the front site and off
of your optic but it reduces recoil by twenty to
thirty percent without having to add additional length with the Commons.
In addition to that, the upgrades on our Pro models
are going to be a spring precision, extended mad release.
We're going to give you a better three to three
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and a half pound trigger over the standard duty four
and a half pound trigger, and we're going to give
you five magazines to all the Pro models. Our standard
models get three. In addition all that, you're going to
get three tritum front sides of tribum rear side, three
optics plates, an aluminum mag well, and a really nice
range bag as well. With every single gun going to
the Compact Pro Plus. The plus all that really is
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it just adds in a full length grip module or
mag well, and so that is going to be a
little bit larger form factor. But because we deleted the
grip SAFTM in nineteen eleven design, it is easily swapped
by the end user, but just a couple of screws
between the full length and the compact so you can
have the best of both worlds all in one gun
with just a couple of screws. And so that is
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kind of the do it all gun. The Compact Pro
Plus you could add in a thread of BIL for
a suppressor, you can add a plane barrel for limited
class competition, or keep the porter barrel for open carry
duty use, or swaps the compact bag well for your
CCW needs.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Wow. These and this is what really attracted me to
the OA defense just because you could you could see
right away that this is something you could certainly carry,
had a wonderful feel in your hands, and then everything
that it came with was just fantastic. When you look
at the number of magazines and of course everything that
came in the container. As we kind of hit up
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against on time. The one though that gets a lot
of attention. Unfortunately, we haven't seen it yet here at
the store, but they're in Root is the pro Elite
and when I held that out at that convention, it
was it was wow, it was stunning. Tell everyone a
little bit about what you get in the pro Elite model.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Yeah, the pro Leaders are definitely what I like to
call our APEX predator. When you say elite in our lineup,
think about our all metal grip so on, that gun
which retails is thirty one to fifty, which competes again
some of our other guys that are forty six hundred
eight thousand dollars. Even our gun, our thirty one to
fifty gun, would go up directly against those with an
all metal grip. We underestimated how popular that was going
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to be. That actually is Parcipicavious having to buy four
more million machines to the tune of about SYD million
dollars to keep up with demand. But yeah, no, that
is our absolute flagship and has a really aggressive texture
to it. Most of the guys on our team at
the decision making level will come from one of three backgrounds,
either special ops, military slot level PD, or high level
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competitive shooter, and we designed that grip with the input
from all those guys. For those guys, our customer base
is the people that are behind the gun and behind
the decision making. That's how we're able to come up
with all these design features. And we recognize that that
is the critical portion. And so somebody is the serious
shooter recognizes that you want to lock that gun in
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between the safeties and the gas levels of recoil platforms,
and then this really aggressive grip with the porting that
gun doesn't move. One of my friends who picked one
up recently said it it's.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Like a cheat code.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
It literally, it makes it like you're shooting downloaded Ammo
between all those things. Now, it's not for everybody. It's
a it's an aggressive grip, and that's why we thought
it wasn't going to be as popular as it is.
But it's by far and away our bestseller. So it's
a full size gun. It's not design for consilled carry.
It's an open carry, duty, competition oriented pistol for sure.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
And you stole my line and I was gonna say
it's like cheating. I mean it you almost feel guilty.
I mean you know, it's almost it. Yeah, it's it's
that smooth. Well, hey, thank you so much for jumping
on helping us to announce us carrying your new product line.
We look forward to a great partnership. If you guys
are ever in this neck of the woods, you got
to stop buying and shoot some rounds with us. But
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we really, really really appreciate you jumping on on a Saturday.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Absolutely, thanks Er, I appreciate your time. Look forward to
getting out there and seeing you guys in person.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
Great. Thanks so much. That's Dan from OA. Defensive product
line that we have here in the store is certainly
worth checking out. Guys. We're gonna jump to a break.
On the other side, my buddy Luis is gonna jump
on with us, talk about some things that we really
need to think about, uh in these times, and much
much more wrong talk broadcasting life from the studios of
l APD Farms arranged. We'll be back after the break.
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Smart talk in between. I'm not sure about that. I'm
not sure we help that one.
Speaker 2 (35:22):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Welcome back to on Target. I'm your host, Eric joined today.
We have had a slew of guests today and I
guess he's telling me I'm saving the best to last,
but I don't know up next with us here for
the remainder of this show, my good buddy, good friend
Luis who who has a wife who is going to
become an American citizen this week.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Thank you, thank you, thank you much.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, as you know, we've we've talked to him over
the time, and him and I talk all the time
throughout the throughout the week, and he has a great
pulse on what's going on within our communities. This week, though,
him and I got together and he told me a
couple of things that, man, it helps me a little
bit worried. And you don't want to walk around being paranoid,
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but certainly you have to be prepared. And this week, though,
I thought it's worthwhile having him jump on with us
and hearing it firsthand. Luisa tell us a little bit
about what's going on in some of these communities that
we might not have seen otherwise.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Well, good afternoon, everybody, Thank you to your audience everything.
Thank you for your introductions. That make me very emotional.
But that's a big goal that we achieved. Okay, my
wife's citizenship. Well, let's go to the point. Two thousand
February two thousand February ten, two thousand and seventeen, Senator
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Marco Ruvio, today Secretary of State his speak, spoke on
the Congress about the situation the government of Venezuela and
the tieson with Iran. Okay, so that year the government
of Veniceuela at eight point five new people to the
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immigration system and two hundred twenty one thousand were from
Arabic country and one hundred and seventy three of these
person were from Syria living on Iran and Iraq. But
the worst thing about this is they provide then fake
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Venezuelan passaports, and Venezuelan passaports can travel into one hundred
thirty countries around the whole world. Venezuela in two thousand
and five become the big, big, big friend of Iran
and they have programs of agriculture, construction, developing and weapons.
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Today today they are building drums for war, small drums
that you can pack in your back and be with
a dynamite or any explosive and commit any disaster, any attack.
Mark uf you knew that from twenty seventeen and today
(38:15):
our Secretary of Defense and Miss Christinoight knows that what
happens is the last administration opened the border with one odjective,
get everybody. So many of these one hundred and seventy
three Venezuela and call citizens. They're already here seeking asylum.
Speaker 5 (38:39):
But they are what we call loner's wolves.
Speaker 4 (38:44):
They are just waiting in the right moment and the
right time where we are with our family to head us.
They send along with these people the TDA. Are you
familiar with the TDA train of Arawa game, they start
doing and committing crimes.
Speaker 5 (39:01):
I told you four years before.
Speaker 4 (39:03):
Remember, hey, theyre going to do the same thing that
Fidel Castros did with the Mariels on an As, but
this time is going to be worse because those criminals
from the TDA, they are not the regular gainsters of
that United States we are used to. They are a
doctrinate to destroy the American way of living. They hate us.
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It's not only Venezuela, it's all.
Speaker 5 (39:29):
In Europe, in different countries.
Speaker 4 (39:31):
So my advice to you guys is wake up because
they're already here and we.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Don't know when they're gonna hit.
Speaker 1 (39:40):
Us, right, and so that I mean, so if I'm
understanding you, correct, Luis. Some of these you know, with
the affiliation between Venezuela and Iran and some of these
other countries or their allies basically, and so they have
given passports to some of these other countries, to citizens
of these other countries who we wouldn't necessarily maybe not
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allow or want in our country. But now they come
in under the guise of being a Venezuelan citizen or something,
and so lo and behold, we look up and boom,
here they are now.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
Exactly I'm going to give you an example quote a
Palestinian Haqing Muhamme Ali Alvetta, member of HELLSBOLA. He was
arrested two months ago on Jordan by the authority working
with the United States. Ali another as wella that was
the poored like the year before from the United States.
(40:35):
Those two names that I gave you. So therefore I
keep telling everybody they can be alert, no paranoia, but
we had to be alert. I'm patrolling the streets every
day and I've seen people that they don't match where
they are. I seen trucks in a free way that
no numbers, no letters, not nothing. So we are too comfortable,
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but they going ahead. And the TDA, the trend of Arawa.
It was only a court, so to keep our attention
away from what they are cooking right now.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
Wow, and that's scary stuff. I mean, that's scary. We
all get somewhat complacent in our daily lives and there's
you know, we're relatively safe in our communities, and you know,
unfortunately on nine to eleven, we probably shared that same
complacency the day before. And so we need to be diligent.
We need to pay attention to what's around us. If
something doesn't look right, we need to say something, because
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we are fools if we think the enemy has you know,
packed up and gone home. And with these last four
years of the border being open, they're here. They're here,
and we need to be diligent and doing making sure
that we're safe.
Speaker 4 (41:50):
And I don't blame what the government is doing depouring
all these people because I had to go through to
the system. I had to go to immigration doctor to
see if I got kodies to you get to take
Oh my god, and that was very irritatable, especially when
they told me take your pens off. I don't want
to go through that anymore, you know. So I had
to pay my feeds, I had to go to the
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interview to the inspector I was recording, and they give
me a temporary paperwork and then I had to show
up back in two years and they did the same thing.
Then I decided to be an American to be able
to vote elect the right people to save this nation
because I come in from where it's not right where
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you and me will be in jail and the police.
Because we're talking about the government. This is freedom. So
I went to the school to learn about the American history,
and I went beyond from the paperwork, and I went
back again to the background check and paid my feet
and guess what, I went to the federal court.
Speaker 5 (42:51):
I took the oh, and I'm tell.
Speaker 4 (42:52):
Him, these John punds, I'm burning the American flag in
college and it's a very nice be rich and being
Columbia University in burning right exactly, No, the double moral right.
But the difference between those young punks that they don't
have idea what is mean being America. I took an
out before a federal court that I will bear armed
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to protect the Constitution of the United States, and this
pressure lane, yep, So watch out, guys.
Speaker 1 (43:20):
We're so thankful for people like you come in and
do that, and who can be true Americans. Hats off
to your wife. We're so super excited. I thought you
were going to bring her today so we could gratulate
her in person. Guys, thanks for spending the last hour
with us. Thanks to all of our guests, our good
friend Luis of course Dayan from Away Defense, our good
(43:41):
friend Steven from the reload, everyone. Hopefully they have our
full crew back next week. Have a safe, safe week
out there, stay cool, and as always, guys, let's be
careful out there.
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