Democracy wins this election; Adam Coy verdict

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Democracy won this week. Our country won this week, and
our forefathers once again showed us that a country based
on values, religion, hard work, and a strong moral compass
will deliver us strong America for generations. Last week I
spoke about the flag that hangs over my desk, a
flag that I had made to remind me every day

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about how this country was founded and what has kept
it strong for two hundred and fifty years. I apologize
that this is a bit redundant, but the importance of
why this country was founded and how it continues to
resonate is worth repeating even more now that democracy has won.
We the people the preable to the Constitution of the

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United States. We the people of the United States, in
order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure
domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare,
and secured the blessings of liberty to our self and
our prosperity, Do ordain and establish this Constitution for the

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United States of America. These the first words that set
the stage for the document that guides us. How powerful
thy statement. The power given to the people in the
first line, the power given to create the constitution that
governs those within the power to ensure internal tranquility, to

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establish justice for all, and to establish this for infinite generations.
The brilliance of those founders must never be forgotten. Last Tuesday,
we the people have spoken, shall not be infringed the
Second Amendment to the Constitution, a well regulated militia being

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necessary to the security of a free state, the right
of the people to keep in bear arms shall not
be infringed. The the people to keep in bare arms
shall not or ever be infringed, because of the necessity
to have security of a free state and the security

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to protect your family. In modern times and throughout history,
the demise of an individual's freedom has always always started
with the disarming of the people. We have stood up
and spoken loudly on its importance. We have held our
leaders to a high standard, and in this new age

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in front of us, we will continue to remind them
that this right shall not be infringed. Government of the People.
The Gettysburg Address that we here highly resolve that these
dead shall not have died in vain, That these dead,
that these soldiers, that these officers, that these servants of

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our country and of our people, that this nation under
God shall have a new birth of freedom, and that
government of the people, by the people, and for the
people shall not perish from the earth. It is amazing
that this line still rings so true today, that this
nation under God shall give a new birth of freedom,

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and that the government of the people, by the people,
for the people shall not perish from this earth. Truly,
the words are incredible. With malice towards none, the second
Inaugural Address of President Lincoln has stood the test of
time with malice towards none, with charity for all. As

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God gives us to see the right, let us strive
on to finish the work, as we bind up the
nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne
the battle, and his widow and his orphan, to do
all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting
peace among ourselves with all nations. It is time to
give back to one America. It is time to lift

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up those from the trenches and show them greatness. It
is time to finally abandon the thinking that to ensure
equality we must bring down those that sit on the top.
We must now go forward with malice towards none e
plurbris unum. Out of many one out of many, one

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out of many religions, out of many ethnicities, out of
many cultures and backgrounds and languages and colors and races,
out of many, we stand as one, one strong, god
fearing nation that is not going to give in to tyrants,
to temptation. Our strength has been and will always be,
standing as one and at no other time in recent history.

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We must look to thy neighbor and commit to them
that we now stand as one judged by the content
of their character. Martin Luther King, nineteen sixty three. We
must strike to judge others by the content of their character,
by the integrity of their actions, by their devotion and

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their compassion. We must strive if we are to keep
a free nation, And we must strive to judge thy neighbor,
not by the color of skin, or by the God
they worship, or anything else that makes them different from us.
But our judgment must lie with how they live their
lives and their commitment to stand up and fight to

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help us live ours. And let that judgment begin today.
A republic if you can keep it, Benjamin Franklin. A republic.
We have a republic, if only we can keep it.
Those founders did not set forth a government that was
never to be touched again. They set forth a system

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that would continually take the people by which it was
given its power. It would take the people to continue
to breathe life into it. Adams wrote, we have no
government armed with power capable of contending with human passions
unbridled by morality and religion. Our constitution is designed only

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for a moral and religious people, and it is wholly
inadequate for others. It is by these standards that we
have a republic, but only if we can keep it.
And this week we've shown that we are worthy of
keeping it for another generation. Liberty once lost is lost forever. Philadelphia,

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seventeen seventy five, a letter from John Adams to Abigail Adams.
When looking for important lines to add to the flag
over my desk, this letter made one of the most
impacts on me. Our founders were so forward thinking, so brilliant,
that you'll find no other choice but reflect on their words.
Just listen, just listen to his words. But a constitution

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of government, once changed from freedom, can never be restored.
Liberty once lost is lost forever. When the people once
surrender their share in the legislature and their right of
defending the limitations upon the government, and of resisting every
encroachment upon them. They can never regain it again. Two

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hundred and fifty years ago, the founders of our nation
told us that if we lose this, it will never
be regained again. Last week I asked are we even listening?
And this week, happily, I'm proudly to report we have listened.
Join or die, Benjamin Franklin, Join or die, Join together

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as one or die alone. As many the strengths we
always bring to man is that we have chosen to
recognize our differences as our strengths, and have committed to
join together as one nation with the unbreakable power of
providing freedom to all join together or die alone. Today
we have once again chosen to join together for our

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country and for humanity, our lives, our fortunes, our sacred honor,
the last line of the Declaration of Independence, and today
we are able to stand and reaffirm that commitment of
our fourth bathers, and as they wrote, and for the
support of the Declaration, with the firm reliance on the

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protection of divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other
our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor. As I
mentioned before, these quotes that I've read are on a
flag that I made that hangs above my desk. They
remind me every day that we have an obligation to
protect our own freedoms, to ensure peace and prosperity for

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the next generation. And it reminds me every day that
what we believe to be difficult times is really tomorrow's
history on how we persevered through wars and poverty, and
diversity and tyranny, persevered to rise above like the men
and women before us. This is our obligation to our country,

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and this week we've collectively said we are ready to
make this country great again. We now must unite the
country as one and each work to deliver that promise
to the fellow citizens who may not have believed in
this movement. We all should be proud to once again
say we are one nation under God, indivisible with liberty

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and justice for all. On target is next good afternoon,
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I guess I am your host today. Kind of abandoned
by everyone, but that is okay. Here in a little bit,
I got a good friend of mine, Lieutenant Brian Steele's
gonna jump on with me, and we've got a lot
of stuff to get to. So what a historic week
this week. I'm actually kind of kind of wiped out

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from the week. It has been a busy, busy week,
both nationally and locally, and so let's get started. We
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these coming months. Since twenty twenty, we've really focused on
a lot of a lot of law and order topics,

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a lot of politics surrounding the Second Amendment. But hopefully
here with this election kind of beneath us, hopefully get
back to talking about firearms and the right to keeping
bear arms and new products and all that fun stuff.
But I wanted to start by thanking last week our
Secretary of State, Frank LaRose, were jumping on with us,
a good friend of ours, and man did he deliver.
Him and his folks delivered a safe and secure election

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in Ohio. What a standard for others to watch, especially
now when we look at some of these states like
Arizona and Nevatta, which I think are still counting ballots
out there. But mister LaRose, Frank, he did a great job,
and our hats are off to him. Also, I think
it's important to thank for all those who worked so

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tiresly the last actually last couple of years, and that's
anywhere from the President and his people to our good
friend locally Bob Paduccik, who is in the inner circles
with the President, helped him, you know, bring home the victory.
Within the law enforcement community. Of course, our Ohio's own
j d Vance, someone who came from obscurity, really someone

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we really didn't know much about, who has been thrust
into this stage. And wow, did he really answer the call.
Really comforting knowing that that's the next generation, a young
generation that will be there for us going forward, to
someone who gets it, someone who cares about everyone. And
we look forward to having him as a vice president.

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Of course, congratulations to our good friend Bernie Marino. Exchanged
texts with him this week. That's great to have him
there in place. We know that he is a supporter
of the Second Amendment. We know that firsthand. We've had
opportunity to shoot with him and to have him in
the store and talk to him and get to know
him firsthand. So that is something that we're super excited
to have him in the Senate and representing Ohio. It's'll

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be interesting to see who Governor DeWine puts in that
Senate seat that Jade Vance is going to be leaving for.
But that stuff I'm sure we'll talk about in weeks
to come. Also, you know, we shouldn't look beyond to
our Attorney General, Dave Yost and Lieutenant Governor houst at
All who've been on the show numerous times in the
last couple of months talking about the importance of this election.

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And it looks like we did come out and people
did realize how important it was, and they did get
out and vote today today on the show, as you see,
they kind of left me with no one, but that's okay.
I have Lieutenant Brian Stale, my good friend, coming on
to join me here in a little bit about something
this week that happened that really was not very good.

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Something happened right here in Columbus, Ohio and Franklin County,
and it was the verdict of Adam Coy and it
was not what we were hoping for. It's really unbelievable
when you look at the facts on how a jury
could have convicted Officer Koy on murder charges. It's something
we've talked about a lot on the show, a lot
about the standards by which law enforcement are judged, and

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it just, man, it just did not look like that
they use those standards. And those are standards, and we'll
talk with Brian about it. Those standards aren't standards that
are some made up philosophy or theory you know in
a classroom. These are These are Supreme Court rulings that
governs how we act, how law enforcement acts, and when
you judge the actions of a law enforcement officer when

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they have to use force. It is something that we've
used for forty years and it just doesn't seem like
the jury took that into consideration like they should have
in this case. So we'll talk to Brian coming up here.
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to a break. On the other side, we're going to
talk a little bit about what it means with a
President Trump. President C on the way, and much much
more raw talking broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD
Firearms Arranged. We'll be back right after the break. Welcome
back to our target. I'm your host, Eric, joined today

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in the LPD studios. I got no one today. Actually,
I have my son sitting up here for moral support.
He's running the keyboards. But besides that, everyone took the
day off. I think they're still celebrating today. The truth.
I know I was for a good couple days this week,
having watched Man. I think we got home at four
in the morning that morning, which is about five hours

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past my normal bedtime. But it was one of those
elections that it was worth sitting there and watch. So
for the next couple of minutes, I want to talk
about what we think a President Trump second term means,
especially to the gun industry, and also talk about a
couple other things that came down the pike on election night.
But when we look at a second term for the

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president and we reflect back on the first term, we experienced,
actually the gun industry experienced some downtimes. I mean, there
was something called the Trump slump back in this first term,
and really people weren't concerned about their safety, safety and
security for up until you know, the COVID and the

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riots started. Safety and security was pretty bople felt pretty
good about it. Now, I know right now it's going
to take some time to get back to that. So
we you know, anticipate sales still being decent for a
number of months going forward. But I envisioned that it's
going to get back to a point where there is
a slump or a dip in gun sales, and we

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actually saw it. NIXT came out this month and said
that October of this year was down versus October of
last year, which was an indication to us that people
felt strongly that the president was going to get back
in there because they weren't worried about if the other
side did get in. And I firmly believe, and we
know from PLAST experience, that if Kamala was elected, we

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would be off the charts busy right now until January.
But that's certainly not the case. So what does that
mean for everyone? I think prices are going to start
to trickle down we've already started to see a little
bit of the AR market coming down. Just a hair
you're gonna see and probably from us as well. On
Black Friday, you're going to see some sales, some pretty
good sales on ars, stuff that we've put back in inventory,

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not knowing how the election would turn out. You might
see some sales on Ammo. There's no indication whatsoever going
forward that there's going to be any shortage of Ammo,
and I hope the price is continue to come down
a little bit, and I expect that they actually might,
especially if we get back to a little bit more

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energy independence and things start to come back in the economy.
So those are all good things to look forward to.
I guess if you're a gun enthusiast going forward, and
hopefully hopefully our our safety and security as a country
and as a as a state come back a little
bit and gives people a little bit more comfort in

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knowing that they can go out of their house and
not have to worry about about the thugs that are
out there on the street. So what other things does
does do we think that our President Trump second term means,
I think for us personally, hopefully the deregulation. We got
to get agencies such as the ATF off our backs
and off the backs of these gun stores. And it's
not that we've ever done anything wrong, it's just the

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no tolerance or the uh, the attitude that there is,
you know, for a clerical air that they can sinue
to a hearing to have your license pool. That's not right,
that's not the intent of these agencies. And we're confident
that with hopefully a new leader of the ATF, someone
in there who has knowledge of how gun story should

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be and what the rule and how ATF should act,
hopefully that goes forward and we can really start to
get back to a place where we punish the criminals
and support the stores and the retailers that are out there.
So we're optimistic in that regards, and I think just
too from a from a global standpoint, the Supreme Court,

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I mean, how can you. I mean you now got
to look at this and think that for years to come,
the Supreme Court is going to be conservative, and hopefully
with a couple more appointees during his time, hopefully that
becomes even more apparent. And that can only help the
Second Amendment and our right to keep in bare arms. Now.

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Having said that, there was a couple of things that
occurred out there on election night that weren't really good
for gun owners, and one of them comes from Colorado,
which you would expect. I think that's one of the
few states that the president did lose. In Colorado, voters
officially approved Proposition KK by a pretty wide margin, almost

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ten points. But this proposition now, they said, get this.
It imposes a new tax, a new excise tax on
firearms and ammunition. So just mirror for the fact that
you're a firearms enthusiast, you are now going to have
a new tax of an additional six and a half

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percent on everything you buy. Imagine that six and a
half percent on any firearms purchased in Colorado now, and
they're going to take that money and they're going to
earmarket for crime victims funds. It's just a bunch of crap,
but that is something those voters passed out there, and
so they're going to be bound to that going forward.
What else happened this week, There was a Circuit Court

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of Appeals on Tuesday. They overturned a lower injunction that
Colorado had on adults under twenty one being able to
purchase firearms again in Colorado really crummy, but they have
they put it all previously into place, saying that if
you're under twenty one, you can go to war, you
can do everything for our country, except you can't buy

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a firearm. And that's any firearm, any right for a
long gun. And so that with this Circuit court ruling,
that's going to stand, which is kind of unbelievable. So
there it's going to be theirs to have to maneuver
and handle. And hopefully if that eventually goes up to
the Supreme Court, maybe we'll get some rulings next year

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that will be in our favor on that. Only other
thing that we thought was of important this week, kind
of an anecdotal thing. So on Wednesday, we come into
this door the upbeat. It's kind of an upbeat environment, right,
and we come in and you know, our Trump signs
are still sitting out there. And as you know those
who listening prior shows, we've had a little bit of

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an issue with people well stealing our Trump signs. And
well about nine thirty I look out the window and
I said, hm, one of our signs is gone. And
it was there when I walked in the door. So
I went back and pulled the tapes and pulled cameras
and so forth, and by golly, at nine o'clock in
the morning, nine o'clock in the morning on Wednesday, the

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election's done. We have the w and here's some ding
dong pulling into our parking lot, getting out of his
car and going and stealing our Trump sign. Can you
imagine that? It just goes to show you the type
of people we're dealing with. And you know, thank goodness,
we have plenty. It was only out for about thirty minutes.

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We put a new one in. We've since taken them down,
but it just goes to show you that the people
on that side aren't very tolerant at times. So well, guys,
we're going to jump to the bottom of the hour
news and we go back on the other side. We're
going to talk to our good friend, Lieutenant Brian Steele
with CPD. He's also with the FOP president, talk about
something that wasn't all that good this week, and that

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was the verdict of Adam Cooy. So we're all talking.
We're broadcasting a live from the studios of LAPD Firearms
and Range. We will be back after the news. Welcome
back to on Talking to I'm your host, Eric joined
today in the l EPD studio. Actually it's just me today,
but a good friend of mine stop buy a good
friend from CPD, Lieutenant Brian. Still I still have our
time saying Lieutenant Brian. So that's such a good thing though,

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you know.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Me too, it's a good thing. It's good thing for
my pension, good thing for my family.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yes, it's always good to see It was good to
see you on Halloween night.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah, Yeah, you guys did a great job. I can
tell you, you know, going up there at Trigger Treat.
It's awesome. It's a parrytownsho Police departman. Cannot tell you
how outstanding.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I think. How much the community thinks to you and
the Levy past. That's album. That's great things the community
thinks to you, that is great. Instead, it was always
good to see you in the family that night, Brian.
You know I invited you on today because it has
been a it has been a whirlwind this week in
our country, obviously with the presidential elections and the Senate
races and all that, but what has really totally been

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overshadowed was some news that came down on Monday. That
was really for the law enforcement community, and it should
be for the much of the community and as a whole.
It was devastating and that is the verdict for the
Adamkoy trial. Talk a little bit about that, what I mean,
that is just something that was so important and we

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haven't really talked about it very much.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah, so, first of all, and everybody knows the president
FOP and my job is to represent advocate for officers.
But and you've heard me talk many times, I don't
ever tell you that we get it right every single time.
I'll tell you officers get it right an overwhelming amount
of time, but sometimes we get it wrong. Adam Koy
got it wrong that day. He admits he got it
wrong that day, but he is one not a murderer.

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The courts got it wrong that day.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
They did. I mean, I really feel that way. I
feel like I feel like the jury got it wrong.
And I followed it closely, and a friend of both
of ours, Jim Scanlon, was part of the testimony, and
it was he hit it out of the park. I mean,
it was exactly what had to be said. It talked
about the standards by which all law enforcement are judged.

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When you look at use of force amongst law enforcement,
there's a standard. This isn't something that is just a
made up thing in the college classroom. This is a
standard that we all look at. I mean, I think
when I was writing this up today, I look and
I think there's probably not a year of this gone
by in the thirty years I've been in law enforcement
that the Graham v. Connor case, the Supreme Court case,

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which is the standard, hasn't been discussed in some way
or the other. And I just don't understand when you
look at that, when you look at the objectile, objectible reasonableness,
how they got to a point of guilty or murder.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
What I'm worried about is so of these standards, what
in nineteen eighty two. They've been around a long time.
These laws are written, these standards were enacted prior to
social media. So my biggest worry you now have a jury,
a jury instructions is not to look at the news.
Don't talk about this. How in this day and age
do you not look at the news? How do you
not look at Facebook? You pick up your phone, there's
something popping up. My biggest worry is the jury had

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a couple of days they went home, did somebody get
to them, did somebody try to bully them, harass them,
or were they reading the case stuff they were not
supposed to know of because it didn't imply.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
And Brian, I mean you're exactly right. I mean, when
you looked at the news media, if they happened to
see that on the weekend, that where they where they
took the recess. I mean, the media was every time
I saw it, I'm like, well, that's not right. I
mean every time it was the you know, the Adam
Koy trial, the shooting of an unarmed black man, there
was there was no other nothing else went along with that.

(26:47):
It was wasn't that there was you know, keys in
his hand, it was I mean, it just it was
so sensational. And for those who didn't follow anything else
and you only looked at that, well I could see
where you have an opinion on it, but it's just
it's just not law.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Members of the media refer to this as a non
emergency run, which okay, in theory it's a non emergency run,
and then there's no lights and sirens, but it's one
thirty in the morning, you're by yourself residential neighborhood just
before Christmas. As you and I as lawmen know, burgerlies
go up around Christmas. And you have an individual that
for twenty minutes, he don't know what he's doing. He's
going up to different houses, he's walking into a garage.

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So they'll say, well, that's not really a crime in
a garage. Yes, it is a burgerley. If somebody was
in your garage at one thirty in the morning, would
you call the police and say, hey, when you get
a chance, maybe swing by here tomorrow. You'd probably be
whispering into your phone get here as fast as you can,
or you're gonna be screaming get here.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
And we've talked about it offline. And look at the
time frame when this happened. This was December of twenty twenty. Yep,
we're coming off riots. We're coming off a time where
where the sentiment towards the police officers was really not good.
You didn't know what was around each corner, and like
you mentioned, at that time, officers really back down. We

(28:01):
I mean there was not They weren't being overly aggressive
at that period of time. So it just goes to
show you that you know, Adam and his partner thought
this warranted you know, there was some reasonable suspicion here
that warranted us to check it into this further on.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
He has a duty and obligation to check in it
further and listen to Officer Koy. He was not worried
about a little bag of weed that mystery Hill had.
He was not worried about a small warrant mister Whale had.
He was trying to go there, de escalate a situation
and move on. The fergus effect is real. We saw
the Ferguson effect here after twenty twenty riots, when we
vilified our police officers. Almost every single elected official villainizeder

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police officers.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
The community did. What happened.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Proactivity went down, murders rose. Over the last couple of years,
the pendulum was swinging back. Officers become proactive again. It
looks like you're supporting him again. After this, the ripple
effects of really that, just the shock waves is going
to overwhelm CPD and most likely the greater are the
greater community.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
How can it not? How can it not when you
look at this and you say, in this standard has
always been objectable reasonalness with another officer in that officer's
shoes at that time, you not by the standard. You
can't consider twenty twenty hindsight. It's not knowing what we
know now about it in totality of the circumstances. And

(29:22):
there was a lot of circumstances surrounding this not not
a big crime incident, but there was a lot of
what we call threat indicators that you keep in the
back in your mind that Okay, this could be something,
it may not, but it's definitely enough to warrant us
going to the next step. And that continued over a
period of time. And like you mentioned, I think the
whole call was twenty thirty forty five minutes, but mister

(29:43):
Hill had been doing these actions for I think two
or three hours leading up to this. So there was
something there that just didn't seem right. And so when
you when you give a reasonable officer those circumstances, is
it unreasonable to believe that Officer Koi at that time
believed his life was endangered? I mean it reads is

(30:04):
it a you know, whether the threat was real or perceived?
You know, and we have to stand by that. We
have to have some standards that we tell our officers
to go by. The allegations during the trial that oh,
this was, you know, totally reckless, and that he didn't
realize it, you know, once he realized that, he started

(30:26):
to make up a story. It's totally false. I mean,
when you yell gun, gun, gun to your partner, that's
an utterance before it even happened. When you tell your partner, hey,
don't approach because the gun is still there, you see
an insight into what he was seeing. I don't know
how a jury looked at that and said that that
wasn't a reasonable action.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
Do Jurys have jury instructions and they have to be
explained and understood. If you watch the trial, you heard
the jury questions. It is clear to me that they
did not understand the instructions and the court did not
do a very good job expel those instructions to them.
I think the jury went in there, they did their
civic duty, and I hold no fault to them. I
just think they got confused and they got this wrong
based on their instructions. It went completely against Graham versus Connor.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Completely and in White versus Ohio. Yes, And and the
thing is is there was somewhere along the way I
heard I don't know if it was through media or
maybe it was during the trial itself where they said, well,
you know, they could have just turned around when when
mister Hill went into the garage, they should have just left.
And I'm thinking to myself, is that what we want
our officers to do, just to turn I mean, it

(31:33):
could have very easily been a case where mister Hill
was part of a theft and he was waiting for
his partner to come out. I mean, you don't know,
but you're obligated by oath to check that out, and
we want our officers to do that.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Real suspicion a criminal a criminal activity was a foot
was one. You're sitting there, you're waiting for someone. At
one thirty in the morning, officer approaches you. Hey, officer,
how are you. My name is Brian Steele. Here's my
d Eric lives right here. I'm picking up. We're going
to the airport. Okay, I'm gonna go knock on the door,
knock on a door. Oh hey, yeah, that's my buddy Brown.
Or go to the airport. Have a nice day, gentlemen.
His actions walking away, not talking, ignoring, them just holding

(32:09):
the phone up against that's made a crime. But there's
something going on here. We have to look into this further.
And that's what he did. And to your point, do
we want officers doing that or do we not want
them doing that? I'd submit to you we want them
to do that, especially when it's your house at one
thirty in the morning.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Absolutely. The thing that keeps ringing in my mind is
when Prosecutor Tayak ran on the premise that we are
going we promise to punish officers who succumbed to the
temptation to shoot. And I don't know, maybe it's a
bad choice of words he used that day, but we
play that over and over again. Succumb to the temptation
to shoot. I mean, spoken from a standpoint of someone

(32:45):
who's never been out there in the middle of the night,
fearing for your life going home. I don't and I
don't know if we get any better now after Tuesday.
I mean, we have a new prosecutor coming in. I
don't know if that gets better. I mean, what are
we going to be going forward in Columbus.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Time will always tell, a time will only tell. We'll
see I mean our new prosecutor did not run on
kind of the lawman mentality. It was more of the
social warrior mentality. So we will see we expect a
prosecutor to do their job as a chief prosecuting officer.
We understand it. So what I get through too, I
talk about being hard on crime, being hard on people.
Then sometimes the naysayers will say, well are you are

(33:23):
you kind of you know, speaking out of both sides there,
the law did its job, the law found him convicted.
And again I don't think police get it right all
the time. I don't think courts get it wrong at
a time. I don't think prosecutors defense attorneys get it
right all the time. The majority time we do. But
again this time I believe we did not.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Yeah, and I don't think any of us were saying
that that officer Quoy wasn't responsible for it. I mean,
this was a circumstances that was horrible by any aspect
that you look at it. But it's not a verdict
of murder. It's not murder. It's not And hopefully, I
mean I haven't heard it, you know what's coming down
the pike, But hopefully this gets appealed and we can

(34:00):
and you know, look down the road at that.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
But yeah, I hope an appeal to and that's the plan.
And again, and as I said the other day of
the news, there's no there's no great thing coming out
of there's no silver lining. Mister Hill is dead. That
is an absolute tragedy. I play for I pray for
his family, officer coys in prison. He has a family,
he has the kids, he has a wife. These families
were completely The impact of it is just so immense. Again,

(34:23):
officers go out there every day. They understand the risks
of this job. They'll take the risk. But these legal
proceedings such as murder is just going to set us
back and the Ferguson effect is going to come back
into place.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
Yeah, unfortunately, I see that. And just in talking to
some of my friends in law enforcement, even this last week,
I mean it is further. I mean, why go out there,
Why put yourself in those positions? I mean you really
have to do some soul search in to know if
this is a career for you. Now with what's going.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
On, and you and I know more better than probably most,
who does it impact the people that need to police
the most? And that's where you'll see a rise of Crome.
And that's why it's so upsetting, this entire situation.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
It is, and it is so disappointing too that. I mean,
the election was such a positive thing this week for
the nation as a whole, But then I take a
step back and I look at it like our city
and our county and we still got some issues to
overcome with the leadership and stuff. So only time will
tell when hopefully the good prevails. So yes, sir, all right, Brian,
thanks for stopping by. Lieutender Brian Stale with CPD. Always

(35:24):
good to see out there, good to see in the neighborhoods,
and thank you for being the voice out there for
all of us.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Guys. We're gonna jump to a break and we come back.
We're gonna talk more. We'll actually talk about a little
about firearms. Imagine that we're on Target broadcasting live from
the studios of LPD. Firearms arranged. We'll be back right
after the break. Eric joined in the LPD studios. I
really got knowing here. Actually, my good friend Brian just
stepped off. Always good to see him and hear from them.
He is such a voice for law enforcement in our community.

(35:52):
But we're back here now and it is just me
surrounded by a bunch of firearms. I got my son
here for the moral support. He's working the computer and stuff,
so hopefully that goes well in that regard. But I
wanted to get back to talking about firearms. Imagine that
a little bit of a novelty talking about guns on
a gun show. We've had so many neat things come
in over the last couple of weeks, and I thought

(36:14):
we'll axect the show in case you're in the market
for something or if you just want to hear something
kind of neat. So let's start out. Since it's the
week where the president has won his re election or
a new term, let's start out by something that we
got in. We probably had these for about a month
or so, right the block Trump firearms. And I'll tell

(36:35):
you what, when you look at these, and this is
probably not going to do it justice on the camera
if you happen to be watching, these are spectacularly engraved.
The one here is a Glock nineteen, not horribly priced,
price a little bit more than your normal block nineteen.
Sarah coderd with a nice silver with his signature on it.

(36:56):
This one is one of my favorites. On one side
of the grip says preserve, protect and defen has a
picture of the White House. On the other side the
Bill of Rights and the First and Second Amendments are
on there. Really a neat thing. I bought one back
during his first term actually twenty sixteen. Probably hopefully the

(37:17):
wife's not listening, probably will end up with one of
these as well. So this one's at glock nineteen. And
let's see what other ones we got here. Oh, here's
a forty three X. Very similar. It's marked in very
similar fashion, but it's in a forty three X so
you could carry it. And it's just so neat. I mean,
the Bill of Right you can actually read the first

(37:37):
and Second Amendment on the grips. It's come along so
far with the ability to engrave that you can actually
read this right on there. This is for sale here
we at least have one left of that. The other
one I hesitate to talk about, well, because I won it.
It is a glock as well. It is a glock
forty three x the finished though, and all of these

(37:59):
are Sarah coded because once they're engraved, they need to
be Sarah coded to put a finish on them, or
actually Sarah coded first. This one is super neat. It
has a picture of him with his fist up says
fight Fight Fight on it, and on the other side
has a picture of him walking in with never Surrender
on the slide. You see that. Look, that's something I

(38:19):
want for Christmas. I would be okay if this ended
up under my Christmas tree, you would take note of that.
You can use your employee discount for that if if
you see so fair. But that is neat. So those
are here for purchase? What else are we having here
on the day? You know what this has been if
you watch our show for any length of time on
our Facebook or YouTube feeds. We have had this firearm

(38:42):
sitting here in the front for probably probably a month
now and just never have the ability to get to it.
Today I finally wanted to get to it because it's
something that's super cool. If everyone, if you're out there,
if you've been in the firearms for any length of time,
you know the Walter PPK is an I Conic three
eighty not necessarily the smallest one out there by today's standards,

(39:05):
and it doesn't hold the most capacity. It's an all
metal gun. This one happens to be stainless steel, but
they are solid in their historic they've been around for
a long time, made famous by James Bond. Well, they
came out and this is so neat. They just came
out with it back like they've done years and years
and years ago. But it's a new PPK and thirty

(39:28):
two ACP. Not only is it in thirty two, it
has a threaded barrel. So with the suppressor market these days,
suppressor's coming back sometimes in twenty four or forty hours,
you can get this, put a suppressor on it and
have yourself a really neat James Bond type of a
gun in thirty two. Thirty two is still very easy

(39:50):
to get. We sell it here at the store, always
have it, so come check it out. This one, like
I said, is in stainless steel. Now. The only thing
with the ppks, if you've ever fired one and is
they are traditional double single action, so, especially by today's standards,
when you pulled the trigger for that first time on
that double action, you definitely know you are pulling the trigger.

(40:13):
It is a long, hard double action. I could probably
estimate twelve fourteen pounds, but every round after that is
in the single action mode has a decocker on it,
so if you need to bring down the hammer safely
mid firing, you can do so with that and stuff
so great neat gun a little nostalgia to it, and

(40:34):
they're back on the market. Kind of neat to see.
Certainly not inexpensive though they're tipping the scales right about
one thousand dollars for these with the thread of barrel,
but come check it out. And what else do we
have talk about something that has been on our table
now for over a month. This is super super neat.

(40:54):
You know, I've always been I've always been a fan
of around that that hasn't been common. We spent a
little bit of a boutique round, but it has seen
a new resurgence and that is the five to seven round.
It was originally developed by FN in the early nineties
and it's kind of neat. It's actually it's a mini
rifle round, but it's just about the same size as

(41:18):
a twenty two magnum round, So if you're familiar with
the twenty two magnum, about the same size, but it's
a neck down round. Really looks like a miniature five
five six or two two three, and it has some
properties that are or rifle round properties. So originally developed
in nineteen nineties by FN, and we really picked up

(41:40):
steam in two I think two ro oh three. NATO
wanted to test rounds out there to replace the nine
millimeters imagine that something to replace the nine but some
of their some of their provisions where they wanted it
to be able to go through a ballistic vest and
they wanted to go out to I think it was
two thousand or two hundred yards. I think this is

(42:03):
what they had as the standard for what they were Yeah,
two hundred yard and effective range of two hundred yards,
and so FN won that out. It never really went
into to play as much, I think as everyone hoped
at the time. They said forty nations throughout the world
used the five to seven in some capacity, and at
one point our Secret Service used them here. But it's

(42:26):
still a really neat round. It was kind of expensive
and it was one that you had to buy an
FN five to seven pistol or the PS ninety, which
is the rifle for it. But now that is not
necessarily the case. Rugers come out with a pistol and rifle.
Now Smith and Wesson has a five to seven pistol,
all reasonably priced, and the Amo just came down for it.

(42:49):
So now there's other manufacturers, American Eagle, I think Fiochi,
they all have a five to seven rounds that's reasonable.
You can probably get fifty rounds for twenty eight twenty dollars,
which isn't that bad for a mini rifle round. The
really neat thing though, is this here. If you're watching
on Facebook, you're gonna have a treat on this. You know,

(43:11):
we've always been big fans of the kel Tech line
and the sub two K has been a staple in
the tech cal Tech line of guns, predominantly a nine
millimeter or forty. But they just announced and we got
one in a sub two K in five to seven.
It's incredible. It really has all the attributes of a

(43:32):
normal sub two K. If you're watching here, you can
see this. This fools right in half. You can put
this in a backpack and anything is you have a
full sixteen inch barrel on it, So imagine the five
to seven coming out of a sixteen inch barrel. The
normal feet per second for a five to seven that
is pushing around twenty three hundred feet per second. Can
only imagine coming out of a longer barrel. Now, what

(43:54):
kind of ballistics you're gonna get on that. It's threaded,
so you can put a suppressor on it again, So
pressors now are super easy to get. Only one or
two days or one or two days. A lot of
times we're seeing them coming back. So that is something
you have. All the it takes. I believe it takes
the FN mag. If it doesn't take the FN mag,
it probably takes a proprietary one from cal Tech, But

(44:18):
I think it is the fn mag that actually goes
in this. So if you have the fn pistol, it
goes right in it. Super neat, really practical too, and
the neat thing with the sub two k's one of
the arguments has always been that if you had an
optic on it, which these scream to have an optic
on it, if you have an optic on it, when
you went to go fold it in half, that optic

(44:39):
would hit the other side and you wouldn't be able
to fold the gun in half. Kel Tech a year
or two ago came out with really an ingenious barrel
now that swings to the side, so you can now
maintain an optic on it, put it on there, have
it zeroed for what you want, and then when you
fold it, it just swings to the side. So really, a
neat truck gun, neat car gun need one fun for

(45:02):
the range, and the price of the mo now is
such that you can actually afford to go out and
shoot it and have some fun. So with that, I
would be remiss without showing my son's new gun here.
He's not gonna talk about it, I so I'm going
to talk to him about it. It is the CMMG Banshie.
It's out in five seven I think it's been out
for a little bit eight inch barrel. It looks like

(45:24):
a miniar guys. I mean it has the arm brace
on it. You can doctor it up just like you
would a five five six. The beautiful thing behind this though,
is that the upper comes off, and because the mags
are a proprietary CMMG mag that looks like an AR mag,
you can take the upper off of this and quickly
change this firearm into a two two, three, five, five

(45:44):
six or three hundred Blackout or something else like that.
It has tons of versatility to it, and I'll have
to admit, Luke, this one has turned out pretty darn neat.
I could kind of see myself in that. If that
ends up under the tree at Christmas time, I wouldn't
be I would turn that down as well. So super neat.
If you want us to order those, we can get those.
In The Banshees are super super super well respected