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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Man, I think I am still on a sugar high
from Christmas.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm kind of out of it today, JC. But what man, what.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Great times with friends and family this week. Big game
coming up here in a day or so. Twenty twenty five,
another year, it's close to being in the books.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
But we got a good one for you today.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today we talked to Brian Steele and then we talk
about holsters for winter time.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Carry On Target it's up next. Good after.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You're welcome to On Target Broadcasting Live. You know what
it feels like. This is the first show we've ever done.
I don't know why we're all out of sources today
we're broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Firearms Range
and Trailing Facility that's located at nine nine nine, Triple nine,
Bethel Road. I'm your host, Eric, but let me turn
on the micro stream. Yes all right, guys, guys, you
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guys have a good Christmas.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes it was great.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, I have a trivia question for you right out
of the shoot. Who said this line to me this
week over the Chris miss Day.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, you ready for this? The line was you don't
have to leave, but you can't stay here.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That was a song.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, I think it was also I think she said
that it.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Also happens to be my priest. I mean, when you
get that on Christmas Eve, you don't have to leave,
but you can't stay here. We are Actually we went
to uh to Mass Christmas Eve, Great Mass, and we
stayed a little bit extra because Dad, I don't know
if we I think we talked about this last year.
Dad had has made the manger for the church and
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this isn't this isn't a little little manger. Took you know,
fifteen minutes to this is a mange. I mean it
is big, and so they had put it out and stuff.
So we stayed after the Mass a little bit and
looked at that with the family, took some pictures and everything,
and so the.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
In our audience that's there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Father came up and he says, guys, you know, not
kicking you out, but you can't here.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So yeah, your dad, he goes, he goes on.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It was definitely big and such a woodworker he is. Yeah, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
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of firearms. Joining me today in the LPD studio. I
got JC to my left. Always good to see you, JC.
Big ed did you get a deer? The last text
I got from you was be quiet because a deer
is approaching.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, you're the only guy that can send me
a message and scare things away. Here we're coming. And
you send me a message, my phone goes bell.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Don't you put it on vibrate?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I was not settled in yet mm hmm, but sorry,
it was just those.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hey did you hear in Worthington Though they're gonna start
They're gonna start taking care of the deer population, they said,
because there's so many of them and Worthington. Yeah, And
then of course we have Ella, Ella.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
How was your Christmas? It was very good? Thank you?
How was yours? It was good?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It was good. Even though she's on the naughty list,
she had a good Christmas. Well, I don't know what
that goes. I know a steam cleaner trying to tell you, Yeah,
I tell yourself that that a lump of cold go
along the way.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, there you go and up soon.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
We have our good friend Brian Steele is going to
jump on with us as well today on the show.
Though well, actually we got to thank h Caleb last
week for jumping on from Infantac and I had to apologize.
We got a couple of listeners who were actually one
called in. One emailed afterwards and said, guys, stop talking
so darn quick. And I know sometimes we get rushing
(03:58):
because we don't have a whole lot of time, and
we brushed over the name of the company. But Infatack
was the company's name last week. They're the ones who
do the the uh.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's it's optic, Yeah, the optic. But it's normal. It's normal,
normal optic to put on a handgud or you can
carbon but but yeah, it was it was so clear,
it was real.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It was also got to thank our good friend Senator
John Housted who jumped on with us last week. Actually,
they said the interview went so well last week they
are going to push that out. His campaign called back
and said we're going to push that interview out all
over Ohio for.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Others to hear and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So it was good.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I mean, it was always good to talk to him,
and I hope he had a great Christmas as well.
Today JC is going to get to some news. You
would think this time of year the news is low,
but not so much. And uh, then we're gonna get
We're gonna get the scoop with our good friend Lieutenant
Brian Steele of CPD talking about ice in uh in Columbus.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know what, you know, that man they may have
put CABAA on that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
That man is on on the radio more than Boots
these days, Brian.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Every time I turn on the oh there's Brian, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Like, geez, you know, yeah, the guy's everywhere. Is that good? Reasons?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That is good? That is good.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
He's gonna jump on with us here shortly talk about that,
and then at twelve thirty we're gonna uh. You know,
it's a show we do every year and it has
some merit and it's it's good because we always get
good reviews from it. And it's Holsters for wintertime carries.
So it's wintertime now you carry your firearm a little
bit differently than you do in the summertime. There's other
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holester options out there now that you might not have
thought of. We'll go through some of those, some of
the dues and don'ts. And if you're watching on Facebook,
a great place to watch the show or YouTube. You
notice I have a coat on, which I usually don't,
and that's because Edward.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Look at that. Look at that holster for a winter Miami.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
When's the last time he saw a Now I don't
know if I can say the name of the holster,
because it was the holster's name, John, you know what
the holster's name is. But I don't know if I can, uh, well,
because then Ella will have to hit the button and everything.
So but yes, so holsters for winter time care that's
going to be coming up here.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's like a mule.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's a mule Holster or donkey Holster, except it's called
oh yeah, hit the road Jack. Yes, I didn't know
that's what they called that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, it was by Galco in the day.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, Galco bottom out it used to be. Yeah, well
that's the older ones. It's the it's the Jay Holster. Yeah, hey,
but yeah, Galco bought them out.
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Speaker 3 (06:41):
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then some of the items we're talking about right here
at the studio desk.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Jase. With that, let's jump over to some news. What
do you got, Well, there's some.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Really important stuff. Again, Like they even started out by saying,
you would think this would be a dead time of year,
but they're big doings going on here. A couple of
them happened on the same day and one people see
it seem to think it's positive from the administration and
other people think the second one is negative. But here
we go. The Department of Justice is suing Washington, d C,
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the City of Washington, d C, over their aar band.
And now this is the first time they've supported other
ones that have challenged the ones like in Massachusetts, New Jersey,
Illinois where they want to take away all the guns.
This is the first time. They just introduced it on
their own because the DOJ is suing the city of DC. Right,
that's what it is, as a matter of facts, called
(07:54):
the US versus d C. So that's crazy. Yeah, yeah,
it sounds like a soccer game, but no, it's a
here it is. So this just happened on Monday, all right.
So the Second Amendment section, Okay, that's a new one
that Trump endorsed and put it into place of The
DOJ Civil Rights Division announced a new lawsuit against the city,
claiming that DC is violating the Second Amendment rights of
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its residents by borrowing them by borrowing them from owning
the popular semi automatic rifles such as the AR fifteen,
the most popular rifle in America. It argued that, in
accordance with the city ordinance, that the Metropolitan Police Department
has refused to register these affected guns, thereby making them
impossible to legally own and infringing on the residents gun rights.
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So it's kind of a big deal because I'm hoping
that there's more of this to come to the next
and the three years plus. Unconstitutional this is what they said.
Unconstitutional law and official policy obligates the DC officials to
deny the registration of Second Amendment protected firearms that law
abiding citizens possess and for the lawful use of them,
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and to arrest such individuals for conduct that the Second
Amendment protects. So the DJ this is what they wrote.
They said, according to DC officials have engaged and continue
to engage in a pattern of practice of conduct by
law enforcement officers that deprive the people's rights secured to
them by the Constitution. So that this lawsuit's the latest move,
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this brand new section. I mean, they've jumped into this
right away. We talked about a couple of things last week,
and they're on the go. So it represents a new
front and the Trump administration's effort to disassemble some of
these state level of gun restrictions that are out there.
So this comes like days after the Section launched a
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lawsuit against the US Virgin Islands. We talked about that
last week because it claims that they're dragging its feet
and not issuing or processing a gun permits, which was unconstitutional.
Then it filed suit gets the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
We talked about that over similar claims they were dragging
out over a year before they would and then they
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try are about two thousand or more dollars to get
a permit for a concealed carry and so they have
done that. And at the same time, the DOJ has
filed brief supporting third party challenges against challenged ar bands
in Illinois, in New Jersey and can I mention this
the first time they actually started out and filed one themselves.
(10:20):
So Washington, d C, if people don't know, has some
of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but it's
banned on the ownership of handguns. You couldn't even know
those that prompted the famous lawsuit of DC versus Heller.
And it turns out that mister hall Air is a
resident of d C. And he filed in two thousand
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and eight and went to the Supreme Court and it
was the first time that the Second Amendment, it was
officially recognized by the Supreme Court that are protects individual's
right to keep and bear arms officially. So anyway, now
the city's so called assault weapons ban applies to just
semi automatic rifles capable of excepting a detachable magazine and
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then maybe a handguard on top or something, you know,
just cosmetic stuff like a stock and you can't own it.
They said, it bans it. You can't even possess it.
So this time the Supreme Court, there's some new stuff.
There was a challenge before I should say that that
they lost the local the local circuit court said no,
you can, you can ban those. But however, Supreme Court
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released a new test for the second memo challenges in
twenty twenty two, and that was the very famous Brewing case.
So do OJ believes that that may change the outcome?
And they said, they said, actually think it makes it
clear that Brewin changed the legal landscape. So this is
what I want to add to this guy. I think
this is great. This this person, this woman who was
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just so zealous. She's the Assistant of ad for the
Department of Justice in the in the UH in this
civil rights. So anyway, she said that she's opened us
up to everyone. She just said that this new Second
Amendment section, I mean, they're on the go, and she
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said she actually put out there she goes, in addition
to announce the suit, the DOJ is encouraging any current
or perspective gun owner, anyone who believes they are being
prevented from registering and owning a lawful firearm to submit
their complaint right to her in the Second Amendment section.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So that's so we're seeing that's big.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, we talked about that, what is that that
new department going to do, and we're.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Starting to see some of that. They're jumping into them now.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Ironically, jac this week too, same day, the same day,
this was kind of.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
One that people were a little bit upset about. On
the same day that they filed against DC, they also
argued Trump administration argues a Second Amendment does not protect
pocket knives. So this came up because someone challenged the
fact that way back in nineteen fifty eight they passed
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a federal Switchblade Act and someone said, wow, you know,
what the heck, we can earn switch blades now, but
there's an act out there. But Unfortunately Trump administration actually
had basically supporting that ben and not binning, but they
are not protected. And what they said was in this case,
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he went to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and
it challenged the Federal switch Blade Act. But in the brief,
the dj urged the court to uphold the federal ban
because automatic switch blades are well suited to criminal misuse
but are not protected by the Second Amendment. So this
is where the gittch goes, because when you go back
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and what they're talking about, you'll take a look at
what the founding fathers when they said, hey, the right
to keep the bare arms shot up be infringed. That
went in in seventeen ninety one. When there's a dictionary,
a law dictionary there's used everywhere in England everywhere. That
was printed in seventeen eighty three at Cunningham and it
just simply described and everyone followed that is, arms are
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anything that you carry to either defend yourself or to attack.
Whether it's a sword, a knife, a club, a firearm,
even armor, those are all considered arms. That's basically what
was in place when the Constitution, when the Bill of
Rights were inserted. So the fact that they're carving things out.
You know, I'd like to see what happens, because that
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all came out in the Bruin decision. So actually it
was a Heller decition apart me. But we'll see that.
That comes back to that. The Knife Rights Incorporated, that's
the group that challenged this, and they just blasted the
Dutch Department. They still like they got thrown under the
bus by the fact they said the Department of Justice
dump call in the Knife Rights stockings this year disappointing
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response because they really feel that this in federal switch
it was unconstitutional. So where does it all come from?
West side story? Remember back in the fifties when you
see the Jets in the other group and they were
having their roundabouts with their switch blades and their chains. Well,
people thought that the juvenile delinquency back then was like
really getting out of control. So that's when the first
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wave of state level restrictions on that. But in fifty eight,
when they passed this Federal switch Blade Act, this prohibited
and it's still in effect, interstate commerce in automatic switch
blades had been the manufacturer, sale, or possession of automatic
switch blades on certain federal lands. So that's kind of
how it took over.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I can't see them going back now. I mean,
what data do you have to say that they switch
blade is? You know, it's that tremendous society.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's not the old kind of stiletto. We're talking about
most of the guys who have knives in your pocket
right now.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Flip that little flipper.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
If it's spring assisted, yep, it comes out. And that
is what they did, called Jacy Lytch.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Have to a break.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
On the other side, we have Brian Steele in studio
talking about how his Christmas Day was and a little
bit about what's going on with the city. We're on
Talking Broadcasting Life from the studios of LPD Firearms and Arrange.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You will be back after the break. Welcome back to
on Talking.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm Here's Derek joined today in the l EPD studios.
I got JC to my left, Big Ed to the right,
and of course in between us now just jumped up
on the studio with this Lieutenant Brian Steale CBD.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
How are you great?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
How are you guys? Mery Christmas? Christmas?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, we're all good. We're all good.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Can't complain her gender radio for a second. This morning
with Boots and those guys like they were having fun.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It was great. Boots is great, the sheriff is great.
It was It was great to see everybody there.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, cool, good, good, good. You've been busy on the streets.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, it's been busy. It's been a busy holiday. As
you know, last week was pretty busy. There were some
Christmas Day car chases and crashes. But you know, as
you guys know, you your law man, yourself as everybody's home,
and I was blessed to be home. Our men and
women were still out there were moving bad guys from
the street, right.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, I saw a lot of that was it wasn't
a slow time. The criminals don't don't get the message
to slow down during the holidays.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Saint Nicholas got a speeding ticket I heard. I mean,
he's just like flying everywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I saw that. That is funny.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So right, there's been a lot of talk last couple
of weeks with ICE, Immigration and customer enforcement in town.
We've seen it through many cities throughout the US. Presumably
a good thing taking some of these bad men and
women off the streets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What have you seen? What's your perspective out there, what's
the city saying? What are you saying?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So I know our brothers and sisters from the federal
agencies were here.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
They were working.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
As you know, at ICE is separate from what we
do as municipal police. There was some controversy why I
could speak about it easily. As you know, I'm not
a partisan person. I speak facts. That's why I could
stand here. I support my chief police chief. My police
chief supports me. We could have agreed to disagree on
some things, and we should have agreed a disagree on
some things. But at the end of the day, like
I made public, ICE no different than FBI, DA, you
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name it. Although police might not have authority to enforce
those laws, we absolutely respond if they call for assistance.
And that's what our officers are going to do and
have done.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Right and that's we saw. That wasn't the case. I
think it was in Chicago. There was that case where
some i's officials we're in a bad situation, called for
assistance and the local authorities were told to stand down.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's not going to happen here.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I made it clear as a president FLP, I will
never accept that. That's why I put it out there
and at no time did the police chief tell me
that was not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
By the way, she called.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Me before her statement went out and said, hey, what
do you think? And I just said, as long as
we respond when they call us for help, and as
long as we have a criminal that we have to
take it to, our custody will take them. And she
said one hundred percent. Usually when the politicians get involved, right,
as you know, our badge, our badge is not political.
Our badge is constitutional. So all we came out and says,
were sure the public that we're going to follow the law,
follow our oath, follow our policies. And that's all came
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down to. This got politicized bigger than it ever should
have been. Ice is here every single day, by the way, right,
this isn't just they came in. They brought a team
in for an operation, but they're here doing their job
all day long, right, And.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
It's not a new organization that Trump for. I mean,
this has been in existent for decades and decades and.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Been around all day long a lot of times. And
I won't get baited. In'll say, hey, what's your personal
opinion on this? What's your officer's personal opinion. It does
not matter what our personal opinion is. As you know,
is well, we enforce laws. If you don't like laws,
change the laws. If you don't like policy, change the policy.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And to that, one of the things you and I
talked about last week, and this is where I start
to get upset about it is I mean, and we
are the first ones to say it is our right
to protest, and we protect those who are out there protesting,
and we'll do that all day long. Some of these groups,
though this one in particular, and Columbus now indivisible, they
are to me, they're pushing it. They're pushing the envelope.
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They published a list last week of the cars the
ice seasons are driving. I mean, it starts to get
into a dangerous slippery slope there when you do start
doing that stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Two different parts here. As you know, I like to
sit down and engage a dialogue. We're elected officials. Again,
we don't always agree and always, but that's okay. One
elected officials we had a meeting and I flat out said,
I'm told you were at the ice protest and he
said yes, And I said, well, that dog does not
hunt with me and my members, and let me tell
you why. If your goal is to go to the
hotel of twenty ice agents and keep them up all night,
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Number one, what about the other five hundred people that
came into this town that got to go to work tomorrow.
They're on vacation, they'll never come back. And that Ice agent,
it's not his responsibility. He took an oath to enforce
a law. Go protest at the congress house. Go protest
at the legislator's house. And if your goal was to
keep up a person all night, who the next day
is going to go out regardless, can take civil freedoms away,
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maybe shoot and kill somebody, think about that. Hey, my
client was up all night because of this council member.
I said, I think that was idiotic.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
The second part of that is just these guys again,
they're going out there, they're going to do their job.
We're there to support him anyway we can follow in
our policy.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Did the council member at least understand that?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I think he did. I think he did understood it.
He kind of explained his reasoning why he was out there,
and I understand his reasoning. I respect his reasoning. I'm
purposely not calling out his name because I'm not here
to anything. But here's the good news. The fact that
the council and that the FLP can sit down and
have this conversation over a cup of coffee. That's something
that wasn't the case four years ago. I'm very the
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proud of the work our members did. And again I'm
not the FLOP. Our members are the FOP and they
gave me a mandate. They said, go out there, bridge,
you know, build some bridges where you can the ones
you got to burn. Hey, they'll like the path for
your journey. So we'll do that too. But it's been
great conversations.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And Brian, you've done a great job. You look at
the last couple of years. Just the dialogue now between
the law enforcement and the politicians and the public.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I mean, that's what we need. I mean, we all
have the same.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Goal of a safe society, and by a lot of
means we didn't get to talk about it today. There
is the crime across the country is on the downward trend,
which is a good thing. I mean, so we need
to all have that dialogue, even if we don't always disagree.
And that's why when we had prosecuted client on here.
I mean, that was great to have him sit here
with us and talk the talk.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And that's a good example.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Maybe.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
So really he really said everything I said. I got
a little more, a little more of the protesters were
a little upset at how I said it, but we
really all said the same thing. We're the overall majority
of us. We just said it in different ways.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Absolutely, well, we appreciate you jumping on as usual and
out there and protecting us and speaking the good word
and standing up for the minimum law enforcement columboys.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I appreciate officially endorsed by Big Ed too.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So that's big. That's big.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'll take that.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I thought he wanted to beat me up the first
time I ever saw. Thank you, everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
All right, good seeing Brian be safe out there today.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
All right, our good friendly tender Brian Steale with CPD
and FOP president.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Were gonna jump to a break.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
On the other side, we're gonna talk about hosters for
winter Time, Carrie and much much more. Wrong Talket broadcasting
live from the studios of l EPD Farms arranged.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We'll be back after the break.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Eric joined today in the l E p D Studios.
I got a big ed to my ride. I always
good to see big JC to my left.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Mister. Actually, Lieutenant Brianstale has left the studio. Always good
to hear from him.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
He should be president, vice president, he should be something big.
He's president of the FOP. Yeah. Well, yes, but I
wanted to be president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Maybe that's good work.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Right, Well, there's something to look forward to when he
gets out of his law enforcement career, which mine ends
of this month.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Really, yes, you're just going to throw that on us
here all of a sudden. That's no, we need to
talk about that first year. I thought, I told you now, yes,
we needed that's going to be a discussion.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I want to write in.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Okay, yeah, write it in.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So, guys, it's wintertime.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's cold outside, and many of us are carrying our firearms,
and so we thought we take the time and like
we do every year around this time, talk about different
holsters and ways to carry during the winter time because
it changes, it changes dramatically from summertime, Carrie, and so
we thought we go through some of those kind of
throw it out there kind of talk uh about with
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best practices and what we've done in the past, how
we've all ended up with a box of holsters. And
as we say that, Ed's like, I need to buy
a holster today.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I just need the one for the three eighty because
it won't fit in the one that I carry my
block in.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm going to get one too.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So one of the things guys we talk about, you
know a lot of times when I go back and
look at that, when we've did these stories before, these
shows before, one of the things that that was part
of the topic was concealed carry versus open carry. Open
carries really off the table now with with permitless carry
out there, there's really really really no reason to open
carry and hunting on the farm something right, but it's
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something that you really should think hard about not doing
just because it gives you a disadvantage versus the bad guys.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
The bad guys know you have the they're just there's
really there's nothing positive about.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It is going to get taken out r right. It
comes down to something right and visit by the police,
because there's people with little cell phones and all, and
those the guy with a gun, he's walking down the
street and he's going to do something and they have
to respond. Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So so wintertime carry really is some of the easiest
times because you are able to uh, to conceal a
larger firearm more easier during the winter, during the winter
months and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Why what are why would I want to carry a
bigger fire what's the advantage of carrying a bigger firearm
for me?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, bigger firearm because I love the forty five issue, know,
but the biggest, the biggest reason is the amount of
bullets that the gun will.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Huge capacity, so then you can you can carry what
you want basically where the.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Done have less recoil just because of the way all
that physics. So, I mean, there's just so many things
about it very good versus a summer time one that
you slipped into a pocket.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You know, that's right, so you're more potentially more accurate
with it, it's easier to shoot, right, and you know,
obviously the capacity difference.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean, if you can carry.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Something more familiar with that one more because that's the
one you carry most of the time anyway for a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, so when you carry that jac we talk about accessibility,
you know, you and that's step been you know there
is it's all about carrying the gun. But how how
can you get to that firearm in the time of
need and how important is it for you to be
able to get to it or practice that.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Listen, the bad guys know that better than you do.
I worked for our friendly prison system for a lot
of years. I learned so much from the inmates telling
me that oh, this is, this, is this, and yeah,
this is what we look for. And of course you know,
if you've got big heavy coat on, the chances are
that they have a chance to get to you before
you can get it. So just just to sum it up,
whenever you carry whatever you buy, when you get your
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coat on, triple check it, make sure it's empty, magazines
out and see how how fast you can access it.
I mean, yeah, it's cold day and you've got a
big part of this puffy and it's and it's zipped up.
How are you doing the pendents carry? Do you have
to you know, pull up eight layers or closed to
try to get in there at the time? And you
know where is it? Is it accessible? And that can
call for some new hold it right.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And the other thing too, guys, is it accessible in
the car. I mean something that you standing here you
might be able to get too easily. If you're sitting
down in the car, you're still gonna be able to
get to that the other part of it too. And
we all sit around and talk, you know, talk about
this stuff until there's nothing else to talk about. But
if I've always said, if you get to a point
where you have to draw it quickly, you've probably missed
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the warning signs of the danger that's in front of you.
You shouldn't be in that position anyways. I mean, you know,
you know it happens, but you hopefully are identifying you know,
this is something I'm going to turn the other way.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm going to walk across the street. Or if there
is an imminent.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Threat, you have already started to you know, get out there,
get prepared and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It shouldn't be a scenario.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Where situational awareness.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So so that's something to consider as you're doing that.
So let's talk about the different types. You know, it's
funny we were sitting here with that before the show
and in the day, I mean twenty years ago, the
nylon pancake holster, we had them all the Uncle Mike's.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean I have one here.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I mean we had them all for all of our guns, yep.
And they were a little bit generic in their form,
so you had a semiato, but you bought it to
the barrel link and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Still a great holster.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
But one of the things I think one of the
reasons that we've kind of moved away from those and
we really don't even sell them anymore, just the nylon,
is because most of these firearms today are striker fired,
and we've talked about that a lot, where it doesn't
take much for that trigger to be pulled, and when
you're trying to if you can see on the camera,
when you're trying to reholster and something that is literally
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as thin as a.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Pancake pancake as they say, you run.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
That risk of a strapp being in there and with
a little downward pressure of ineverently firing the gun. So
I think that's why these haven't you know.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I might have been in a block in my block
not used for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Now, But the thing is they did with those two
places of contact on the belt, it did hug your
body really well. I mean yeah, So, I mean, so
those I mean really aren't part of the discussion much anymore,
and really kind of unfortunately because I like it. A
lot of the leather ones aren't part and we have
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we have a couple here, the scabbards that we sell
in the store. Still the this Santa is a nice
piece of leather.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Well, it's a beautiful holster molded.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
To the firearms, so you know they're gonna fit it.
But big, they're they're big, they're bulky, and the young
guys don't. They don't go for it off, you know,
and stuff so bad and the bad guys don't either.
So really, today when you're looking at an outside the
waistband holster, what we sell the most of in the
store are the Kay and they the guns snap into them.
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They remember when they first came out, Jason, everyone was
word of it's gonna wear the finish off the guns.
You're more apt to have the finish worn off of
a leather holster in and out.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Then these these Kay decks really and.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So well they move in a leather holster. So sometimes
I've noticed that even if you haven't used the gun
that much, you go, hey, where did this wear come from? Right?
Because they as you love their expands and and it
loosens up, and usually you have to get rid of
the leather holster at about two to three to five years.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And I have one that I had it for fifteen years,
if not longer, and I still use it. I mean
it's it's broke in and it's comfortable. That's one reason
I mean I don't. I don't carry it a lot.
I mean I still go with my my ind the
waist band Q Holster. Yeah, that's that's my every day.
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I mean, that's and that's the smallest holster I've ever
seen in my life.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And I love it, and it's going to stay that way.
This is nice too.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I mean I don't like wearing them on the outside
of my clothes because you know, I'm already a big guy,
so it's gonna print really easy.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So that's why I go with the end of waist
band the way I do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But like the one you have ed is the Blade Tech,
and we sell a tremendous amount of these. They're not expensive.
The nice thing about this one is it is ambidexterous,
so you can put those clips on either side, make
the left or right handed. A lot of them come
with a paddle as well or inside the waistband clips.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
There's a lot of versatility for a forty dollars holster there.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
It comes in one. I mean, you don't have to
buy extra parts. It's all one.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And the guns snap in their nice for reholstering. Now
that's the only the only thing with these, and this
is one of the other topics to consider, is the retention.
There's not a whole lot of retention. I mean, it
snaps in there. You can put the gun upside down
in that holster and it won't fall.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Out, but there's not a lot of retention.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
There's somebody to grab it right right. Yeah, they do
say that, just like with the leathers. I noticed they
say if you turn it upside down and shake it
about three times, if it falls out within that time,
then it's time for a new holes. It needs to
be a little more snug.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So how how important is retention?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I mean how important is it to I mean obviously
you don't want when you look at the retention, you
don't want the gun popping out at Walmart when you're
reaching for something. But if the bad guy sees it,
I mean in law enforcement, I mean we always trained
to be able to retain your gun and your holster
and then those have you know, two and three different
types of retention. Sure, how important is that? I mean,
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is that a feasible thing with the bad guy could
see it?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I think, I mean in our line of work, if
you're going to carry outside the waistband, retention is very important,
especially if it's something where you people are going to
know you have it. When you're carrying concealed it's not
that big of an issue. I know, when I first
started carrying, I was very leery about carrying a holster
where it wasn't locked.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
In like an open top yep.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
And I was always concerned about somebody grabbing it. But
this day and age, I mean, and as I got
more comfortable carrying, you know, if it's concealed enough and
nobody knows you have it, you don't have to worry
about somebody getting it. If you get into a physical
altercation with somebody, then you got a problem because eventually
somebody's want to.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Feel it and then they'll read to go for it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
But again, it's like situational awareness. They're gonna You're gonna
be ready for him before you get to that point right.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
The other I think about KAYDEKX if you do want
to carry a light. We have a lot of guys
here want to carry lights and you're not going to
get a wholester like that. But with Kayaks, they just
heat it up. They could. You know, the custom holster
makers are not that much more expensive. You can get
it to fit your gun with your accessories the way
you want it. And a lot of holsters now are
being made so you can have an optic on there.
They're just cutting it down and that's important now because
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a lot of people are switching to that. So it's
since you brought up the security purposes.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I'm looking here at this Safari land holester and it's
a Kaitax and it also has a safety locking.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It has a retention to it, so it's open top
and this is this is good because this is why
we put this one up here. And it's open top.
It looks I mean, it's pretty minimalist, yeah, but it
does have a a an als locking system that has
to be depressed, so it gives you a little bit
of that. The gun locks in there sure almost like
a duty gun and stuff. But it's yeah, but it
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does offer that you know, a little bit higher level
of retention, and that regards you know, the other thing too.
And I was thinking about this the other day when
I was putting on a fire when we were going out,
and I don't know there's much you can do about this,
but oftentimes on the outside the waistband ones, we really
recommend having a holster that has two points of contact.
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You know, you put the belt loop through, you know,
the belt through two different points, but really that's only
you usually only catch.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
One belt loop. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
When you do that, there's only one belt loop that
is that's holding the whole thing up.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That doesn't take much.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I mean, if if there's somebody who is adamant about
getting your gun, it doesn't take much. You could rip
that holster off, you know, just a belt loop holding
it on. I mean it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I mean, look at it, just one right there, that's it.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I mean, if you pull that hard enough, all you're
pulling against is one belt loop.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So just to.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Consider, you know, but and the big thing, just to
go back to it, whatever you do. This is advice
that we give here with our holsters. You know, you
can you can try them out at home as long
as you don't scratch them up. And I suggested my
classes when I teach, I said, bring your credit card,
get three four holsters, take them home. Try them with
what you are wearing. Change your jackets, change us how
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you're carrying them. You know, one or two may work
as long as they're not scratched up. Bring the other
ones back. And I mean that's the way to do it.
Sit down in the car. That's what's the beauty of
that is sitting down the car. So what I carry
I carry two revolvers, one in each pocket. So I
got two hammerless snubnose and they sit there and I
my pockets. I carry them with zippered pockets. So if
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I don't want, oh no I can. I mean, why
I'm in a car, my hand in the pocket. I
shoot through them. You shoot through your coat, your coach,
not anything. Your life's worth a lot. Where I used
to teach, we used to go down and buy these,
you know coats the Goodwill for two bucks three bucks
and go with the range and and you know, and
it's amazing point shooting. I mean, you know, you know
that it's just bang and the you know, the old
k Park was flying around and It was a lot
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of fun, but hey, what's your life worth? So it's
worth more than your coach.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Training is definitely a big part of carrying, no matter what,
whether in the summertime, winter time, spring, whatever. Training with
a holster it is knowing where it's at and getting
used to where it's at so you have memory. It's
just automatic, and that's that's the biggest thing I strussed people.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That is the beauty the revolver. Though with a semi automatic,
I couldn't do that at all. I mean I couldn't
you pull, you can't shoot, you can't do any of that.
So that's them.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
You know, one thing that you talked about the location
of it, And most of the time we have people,
especially the newer folks in here who are buying a
wholetter for the first time on the outside the waistband
and they want to put it right at what we
call three o'clock position, and that's you know, that's kind
of where you wear in law enforcement and everything else.
But from a concealed carry standpoint, to me, that's one
of the worst.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Places you're armed to cover it up what it sets
yourself right, So you want to have a little bit
back there.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So if you can get it to that four o'clock,
just back ever so so it takes it off your profile.
People don't even see it. They're your arms, like you said,
jac sitting naturally and stuff. And it's it's certainly for me,
is the better the better way? The other thing too,
you know, inside the waistband holsters you were talking about
ed for me. I don't wear inside the waistband very
much during the winter because too much well there's too
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much and then you know, if your if your pants
are you know, fit to you, and you're trying to
jam a gun in there. Now you can get away
with it sometimes, but you know, oftentimes that's a good
summertime thing. But there are holsters and like we had
the one we have here where if you do choose
to go inside the waistband, a lot of these holsters
now you can tuck a shirt in so you know
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you're going to some place where you really want to
be concealed. I've wore this many a times with your
shirt tucked in and all you see is that little clip.
So there's still a place for it during during the
winter time.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So yeah, the olds are going to be smaller people
are starting to carry. I mean, you know, like this
every day, like the three sixty five the every day
for that sake, and they're happy the nine millimeters this
small and slim. But you know, sometimes it's easier to
get to a bigger gun. So you just have to
make that decision. But what you're wearing is great. The
shoulder host Why we need a shoulder holder. You've got up.
You've got a zip polartech our jacket on. It's just
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right there. When you're in a car, you can access it. Yeah, yeah, dressed.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Up, but you don't see it. We we rarely sell
shoulder holdters now. And I wore this one day just
kind of for the fun of it and stuff. And this
was a traditionals and this was made famous in Miami
Vice and and everything else. I mean, it's what you
wore in the day, I mean, and it's comfortable. I mean,
I don't know about for a long, long periods of time.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It was so good that Ylko Bottom Mountain said, are
selling it? Right? So there you go.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And then uh, you know, belly bands are similar to
that nature winter time, it might be a little bit
tough for that because again, the layer of.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Plaster magazine is going to off setus away a little bit.
So yeah, fully adjustable. I love them, guys.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Let's just have to a quick break and we come back.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
We continue our discussion and talk about some of the
things that for the females out there and how they
can carry during the wintertime, ultimately broadcasting a lot from
the students APD Farms Range.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Will be back after the break. All right, you know,
ellis Elle's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
She's great.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, she is, She's she's she's pretty good. I'm gonna
put a good word in for Santa for next year.
I know it's early. Yes, that's right, guys. Welcome back
to on Target. I'm here Eric joined today with Big
Ed and JC.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
You're talking about holsters for winter time carry. Guys, we
don't have a ton of time left. I'm gonna throw
out a couple of things there and you tell me
what you think. One of the things is we talk
about rehol string and one of the things I cringe
about this time of year are people reholstering when they
have jackets on, especially JC, the ones with that cord
where you can sense it a little bit. There's so
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many cases where that cord gets caught and you put
your gun in, you feel a little resistance. You're thinking, okay,
no big deal, let me just push it down a
little bit further, and you actually fire the gun.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You just gotta watch that sort of thing when you're
when you're reholstering it absolutely cut off, cut them off.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, sometimes it's tough enough in the summer to re holster.
Though in the winter sometimes it's like, hey, let me
just stop going to a bathroom.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Scratch ankle holsters. Dad loves to this day.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Ankle holsters he wears and that's what he wears out
and about a lot I do on duty. I think
my pants are too too narrow at the bottom. But
it is definitely a feasible option depending on your clothing
and stuff. I mean it, he conceals it well.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And unless you're wearing Bermuda shorts or something in Florida
in the winter, that doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So that's a little bit tougher. Belts.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You know, we've brushed upon it, but you got to
make sure you have a good belt.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, that makes such a difference. And I was
guilty of that and unfortunately now I have actually a
reinforced belt. Other than that, they stretch, they they do
all sorts of bets and.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
The belts we have here, Ed, I know you've had
them before.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
They're they work, They really work.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
So get yourself a good belt paddle holsters. Guys, what's
your thoughts on the paddle holsters.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I always thought it worked great for police officers when
they had to go into you know, facility, courtroom something
like that, because there's so much easier than to undo
your melt or take that off or you could just
do it. But other than that, I've had a couple
and they're setting in my box of on you.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, it's the same here, I got a box of them.
I mean they're okay. It's again, I'm not a outside
the waistband carrier except when I'm working, so I mean
they're okay if you're working playing clothes.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I don't like it because it never holds the firearm
close enough for me. I always feel like it's hanging
out there and for the little bit of a benefit.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And and some of them.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Now are so molded that you know that they're trying
to be comfortable, but unless you have them seated in
the exact position, they're not that comfortable.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Sometimes so I don't. I'm not a huge paddle guy.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
There are some generic cultures now it's generic Kaidex put
out by g Code and stuff that are good. So
if you have you know, if you want one houlter
that maybe fits a couple of guns, not a bad
not a bad option.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
And if you're thinking about it, we have a ton
of holsters here, please come in and follow that advice.
You can try it on our bathroom stuff with your
your arm. Make sure it's not loaded. We'll check it
out anyway. But you can try your gun by three
or four. But whatever you think will work, what works
for you keep and with not we take back with
not damage. So ye please do that.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
For the ladies out there, purses are still enormously popular.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
You have a little bit.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
You got to be pay attention to making sure that
you know that the retention on that obviously, but that
is still a viable way for a lot of ladies
to carry. And jac you mentioned during break some of
the clothing, some of the like the yoga style pants
have built in pockets now that can be really beneficial
for carrying.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
And that because they fit snug enough and and you
know with a small gun, which probably you would use.
But you can carry that a magazine or some of
the flat and be very comfortable with it. Yep.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
The other thing too, wintertime also allows you to potentially
carry extra mags.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I mean, I certainly do that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
And one of the things too, and I had written
down there and stuff restraints and ed. We always talk about, oh,
do you have handcuffs with you or something, But.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Now you've got those fur lined ones, right, yeah, yeah,
I thought so. But they.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
But restraints anyone can car, I mean, and we sell
very inexpensive two or three dollars just you can put
in your pocket in case you get in that situation
where you need to help restrain someone. Super easy to do,
so super easy, guys. Thanks for spending the last hour.
It went by so so quick. We got a ton
of good shows coming up in the next couple of
weeks and stuff. But thanks for spending the time with us.
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Hope you had a great Christmas. And uh next next
show is next year, so they say new year, and uh, yeah,
let's be careful out there.
Man, I think I am still on a sugar high
from Christmas.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm kind of out of it today, JC. But what man, what.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Great times with friends and family this week. Big game
coming up here in a day or so. Twenty twenty five,
another year, it's close to being in the books.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
But we got a good one for you today.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Today we talked to Brian Steele and then we talk
about holsters for winter time.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Carry On Target it's up next. Good after.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
You're welcome to On Target Broadcasting Live. You know what
it feels like. This is the first show we've ever done.
I don't know why we're all out of sources today
we're broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Firearms Range
and Trailing Facility that's located at nine nine nine, Triple nine,
Bethel Road. I'm your host, Eric, but let me turn
on the micro stream. Yes all right, guys, guys, you
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guys have a good Christmas.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Yes it was great.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Okay, I have a trivia question for you right out
of the shoot. Who said this line to me this
week over the Chris miss Day.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Okay, you ready for this? The line was you don't
have to leave, but you can't stay here.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
That was a song.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yes, I think it was also I think she said
that it.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Also happens to be my priest. I mean, when you
get that on Christmas Eve, you don't have to leave,
but you can't stay here. We are Actually we went
to uh to Mass Christmas Eve, Great Mass, and we
stayed a little bit extra because Dad, I don't know
if we I think we talked about this last year.
Dad had has made the manger for the church and
(01:39):
this isn't this isn't a little little manger. Took you know,
fifteen minutes to this is a mange. I mean it
is big, and so they had put it out and stuff.
So we stayed after the Mass a little bit and
looked at that with the family, took some pictures and everything,
and so the.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
In our audience that's there you go.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Father came up and he says, guys, you know, not
kicking you out, but you can't here.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
So yeah, your dad, he goes, he goes on.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
It was definitely big and such a woodworker he is. Yeah, guys.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
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of firearms. Joining me today in the LPD studio. I
got JC to my left. Always good to see you, JC.
Big ed did you get a deer? The last text
I got from you was be quiet because a deer
is approaching.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
I mean, you're the only guy that can send me
a message and scare things away. Here we're coming. And
you send me a message, my phone goes bell.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Don't you put it on vibrate?
Speaker 3 (03:00):
I was not settled in yet mm hmm, but sorry,
it was just those.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Hey did you hear in Worthington Though they're gonna start
They're gonna start taking care of the deer population, they said,
because there's so many of them and Worthington. Yeah, And
then of course we have Ella, Ella.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
How was your Christmas? It was very good? Thank you?
How was yours? It was good?
Speaker 3 (03:22):
It was good. Even though she's on the naughty list,
she had a good Christmas. Well, I don't know what
that goes. I know a steam cleaner trying to tell you, Yeah,
I tell yourself that that a lump of cold go
along the way.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, there you go and up soon.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
We have our good friend Brian Steele is going to
jump on with us as well today on the show.
Though well, actually we got to thank h Caleb last
week for jumping on from Infantac and I had to apologize.
We got a couple of listeners who were actually one
called in. One emailed afterwards and said, guys, stop talking
so darn quick. And I know sometimes we get rushing
(03:58):
because we don't have a whole lot of time, and
we brushed over the name of the company. But Infatack
was the company's name last week. They're the ones who
do the the uh.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
It's it's optic, Yeah, the optic. But it's normal. It's normal,
normal optic to put on a handgud or you can
carbon but but yeah, it was it was so clear,
it was real.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
It was also got to thank our good friend Senator
John Housted who jumped on with us last week. Actually,
they said the interview went so well last week they
are going to push that out. His campaign called back
and said we're going to push that interview out all
over Ohio for.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
Others to hear and stuff.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
So it was good.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
I mean, it was always good to talk to him,
and I hope he had a great Christmas as well.
Today JC is going to get to some news. You
would think this time of year the news is low,
but not so much. And uh, then we're gonna get
We're gonna get the scoop with our good friend Lieutenant
Brian Steele of CPD talking about ice in uh in Columbus.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
You know what, you know, that man they may have
put CABAA on that.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You know what.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
That man is on on the radio more than Boots
these days, Brian.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
Every time I turn on the oh there's Brian, I'm.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Like, geez, you know, yeah, the guy's everywhere. Is that good? Reasons?
Speaker 2 (05:12):
That is good? That is good.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
He's gonna jump on with us here shortly talk about that,
and then at twelve thirty we're gonna uh. You know,
it's a show we do every year and it has
some merit and it's it's good because we always get
good reviews from it. And it's Holsters for wintertime carries.
So it's wintertime now you carry your firearm a little
bit differently than you do in the summertime. There's other
(05:34):
holester options out there now that you might not have
thought of. We'll go through some of those, some of
the dues and don'ts. And if you're watching on Facebook,
a great place to watch the show or YouTube. You
notice I have a coat on, which I usually don't,
and that's because Edward.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Look at that. Look at that holster for a winter Miami.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
When's the last time he saw a Now I don't
know if I can say the name of the holster,
because it was the holster's name, John, you know what
the holster's name is. But I don't know if I can, uh, well,
because then Ella will have to hit the button and everything.
So but yes, so holsters for winter time care that's
going to be coming up here.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
It's like a mule.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
It's a mule Holster or donkey Holster, except it's called
oh yeah, hit the road Jack. Yes, I didn't know
that's what they called that.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, it was by Galco in the day.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, Galco bottom out it used to be. Yeah, well
that's the older ones. It's the it's the Jay Holster. Yeah, hey,
but yeah, Galco bought them out.
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Speaker 3 (06:41):
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Speaker 1 (06:42):
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some of the interaction during the commercial breaks. Yeah, and
(07:04):
then some of the items we're talking about right here
at the studio desk.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Jase. With that, let's jump over to some news. What
do you got, Well, there's some.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Really important stuff. Again, Like they even started out by saying,
you would think this would be a dead time of year,
but they're big doings going on here. A couple of
them happened on the same day and one people see
it seem to think it's positive from the administration and
other people think the second one is negative. But here
we go. The Department of Justice is suing Washington, d C,
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the City of Washington, d C, over their aar band.
And now this is the first time they've supported other
ones that have challenged the ones like in Massachusetts, New Jersey,
Illinois where they want to take away all the guns.
This is the first time. They just introduced it on
their own because the DOJ is suing the city of DC. Right,
that's what it is, as a matter of facts, called
(07:54):
the US versus d C. So that's crazy. Yeah, yeah,
it sounds like a soccer game, but no, it's a
here it is. So this just happened on Monday, all right.
So the Second Amendment section, Okay, that's a new one
that Trump endorsed and put it into place of The
DOJ Civil Rights Division announced a new lawsuit against the city,
claiming that DC is violating the Second Amendment rights of
(08:15):
its residents by borrowing them by borrowing them from owning
the popular semi automatic rifles such as the AR fifteen,
the most popular rifle in America. It argued that, in
accordance with the city ordinance, that the Metropolitan Police Department
has refused to register these affected guns, thereby making them
impossible to legally own and infringing on the residents gun rights.
(08:36):
So it's kind of a big deal because I'm hoping
that there's more of this to come to the next
and the three years plus. Unconstitutional this is what they said.
Unconstitutional law and official policy obligates the DC officials to
deny the registration of Second Amendment protected firearms that law
abiding citizens possess and for the lawful use of them,
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and to arrest such individuals for conduct that the Second
Amendment protects. So the DJ this is what they wrote.
They said, according to DC officials have engaged and continue
to engage in a pattern of practice of conduct by
law enforcement officers that deprive the people's rights secured to
them by the Constitution. So that this lawsuit's the latest move,
(09:19):
this brand new section. I mean, they've jumped into this
right away. We talked about a couple of things last week,
and they're on the go. So it represents a new
front and the Trump administration's effort to disassemble some of
these state level of gun restrictions that are out there.
So this comes like days after the Section launched a
(09:39):
lawsuit against the US Virgin Islands. We talked about that
last week because it claims that they're dragging its feet
and not issuing or processing a gun permits, which was unconstitutional.
Then it filed suit gets the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
We talked about that over similar claims they were dragging
out over a year before they would and then they
(09:59):
try are about two thousand or more dollars to get
a permit for a concealed carry and so they have
done that. And at the same time, the DOJ has
filed brief supporting third party challenges against challenged ar bands
in Illinois, in New Jersey and can I mention this
the first time they actually started out and filed one themselves.
(10:20):
So Washington, d C, if people don't know, has some
of the strictest gun laws in the nation, but it's
banned on the ownership of handguns. You couldn't even know
those that prompted the famous lawsuit of DC versus Heller.
And it turns out that mister hall Air is a
resident of d C. And he filed in two thousand
(10:42):
and eight and went to the Supreme Court and it
was the first time that the Second Amendment, it was
officially recognized by the Supreme Court that are protects individual's
right to keep and bear arms officially. So anyway, now
the city's so called assault weapons ban applies to just
semi automatic rifles capable of excepting a detachable magazine and
(11:05):
then maybe a handguard on top or something, you know,
just cosmetic stuff like a stock and you can't own it.
They said, it bans it. You can't even possess it.
So this time the Supreme Court, there's some new stuff.
There was a challenge before I should say that that
they lost the local the local circuit court said no,
you can, you can ban those. But however, Supreme Court
(11:27):
released a new test for the second memo challenges in
twenty twenty two, and that was the very famous Brewing case.
So do OJ believes that that may change the outcome?
And they said, they said, actually think it makes it
clear that Brewin changed the legal landscape. So this is
what I want to add to this guy. I think
this is great. This this person, this woman who was
(11:49):
just so zealous. She's the Assistant of ad for the
Department of Justice in the in the UH in this
civil rights. So anyway, she said that she's opened us
up to everyone. She just said that this new Second
Amendment section, I mean, they're on the go, and she
(12:10):
said she actually put out there she goes, in addition
to announce the suit, the DOJ is encouraging any current
or perspective gun owner, anyone who believes they are being
prevented from registering and owning a lawful firearm to submit
their complaint right to her in the Second Amendment section.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
So that's so we're seeing that's big.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
I mean, we talked about that, what is that that
new department going to do, and we're.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Starting to see some of that. They're jumping into them now.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
Ironically, jac this week too, same day, the same day,
this was kind of.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
One that people were a little bit upset about. On
the same day that they filed against DC, they also
argued Trump administration argues a Second Amendment does not protect
pocket knives. So this came up because someone challenged the
fact that way back in nineteen fifty eight they passed
(13:04):
a federal Switchblade Act and someone said, wow, you know,
what the heck, we can earn switch blades now, but
there's an act out there. But Unfortunately Trump administration actually
had basically supporting that ben and not binning, but they
are not protected. And what they said was in this case,
(13:26):
he went to the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals and
it challenged the Federal switch Blade Act. But in the brief,
the dj urged the court to uphold the federal ban
because automatic switch blades are well suited to criminal misuse
but are not protected by the Second Amendment. So this
is where the gittch goes, because when you go back
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and what they're talking about, you'll take a look at
what the founding fathers when they said, hey, the right
to keep the bare arms shot up be infringed. That
went in in seventeen ninety one. When there's a dictionary,
a law dictionary there's used everywhere in England everywhere. That
was printed in seventeen eighty three at Cunningham and it
just simply described and everyone followed that is, arms are
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anything that you carry to either defend yourself or to attack.
Whether it's a sword, a knife, a club, a firearm,
even armor, those are all considered arms. That's basically what
was in place when the Constitution, when the Bill of
Rights were inserted. So the fact that they're carving things out.
You know, I'd like to see what happens, because that
(14:31):
all came out in the Bruin decision. So actually it
was a Heller decition apart me. But we'll see that.
That comes back to that. The Knife Rights Incorporated, that's
the group that challenged this, and they just blasted the
Dutch Department. They still like they got thrown under the
bus by the fact they said the Department of Justice
dump call in the Knife Rights stockings this year disappointing
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response because they really feel that this in federal switch
it was unconstitutional. So where does it all come from?
West side story? Remember back in the fifties when you
see the Jets in the other group and they were
having their roundabouts with their switch blades and their chains. Well,
people thought that the juvenile delinquency back then was like
really getting out of control. So that's when the first
(15:16):
wave of state level restrictions on that. But in fifty eight,
when they passed this Federal switch Blade Act, this prohibited
and it's still in effect, interstate commerce in automatic switch
blades had been the manufacturer, sale, or possession of automatic
switch blades on certain federal lands. So that's kind of
how it took over.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And I can't see them going back now. I mean,
what data do you have to say that they switch
blade is? You know, it's that tremendous society.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
It's not the old kind of stiletto. We're talking about
most of the guys who have knives in your pocket
right now.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Flip that little flipper.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
If it's spring assisted, yep, it comes out. And that
is what they did, called Jacy Lytch.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Have to a break.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
On the other side, we have Brian Steele in studio
talking about how his Christmas Day was and a little
bit about what's going on with the city. We're on
Talking Broadcasting Life from the studios of LPD Firearms and Arrange.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
You will be back after the break. Welcome back to
on Talking.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
I'm Here's Derek joined today in the l EPD studios.
I got JC to my left, Big Ed to the right,
and of course in between us now just jumped up
on the studio with this Lieutenant Brian Steale CBD.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
How are you great?
Speaker 3 (16:20):
How are you guys? Mery Christmas? Christmas?
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, we're all good. We're all good.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
Can't complain her gender radio for a second. This morning
with Boots and those guys like they were having fun.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
It was great. Boots is great, the sheriff is great.
It was It was great to see everybody there.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Yeah, cool, good, good, good. You've been busy on the streets.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
Yeah, it's been busy. It's been a busy holiday. As
you know, last week was pretty busy. There were some
Christmas Day car chases and crashes. But you know, as
you guys know, you your law man, yourself as everybody's home,
and I was blessed to be home. Our men and
women were still out there were moving bad guys from
the street, right.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, I saw a lot of that was it wasn't
a slow time. The criminals don't don't get the message
to slow down during the holidays.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
Saint Nicholas got a speeding ticket I heard. I mean,
he's just like flying everywhere.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
I saw that. That is funny.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
So right, there's been a lot of talk last couple
of weeks with ICE, Immigration and customer enforcement in town.
We've seen it through many cities throughout the US. Presumably
a good thing taking some of these bad men and
women off the streets and stuff.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
What have you seen? What's your perspective out there, what's
the city saying? What are you saying?
Speaker 5 (17:18):
So I know our brothers and sisters from the federal
agencies were here.
Speaker 3 (17:22):
They were working.
Speaker 5 (17:23):
As you know, at ICE is separate from what we
do as municipal police. There was some controversy why I
could speak about it easily. As you know, I'm not
a partisan person. I speak facts. That's why I could
stand here. I support my chief police chief. My police
chief supports me. We could have agreed to disagree on
some things, and we should have agreed a disagree on
some things. But at the end of the day, like
I made public, ICE no different than FBI, DA, you
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name it. Although police might not have authority to enforce
those laws, we absolutely respond if they call for assistance.
And that's what our officers are going to do and
have done.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Right and that's we saw. That wasn't the case. I
think it was in Chicago. There was that case where
some i's officials we're in a bad situation, called for
assistance and the local authorities were told to stand down.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
That's not going to happen here.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
I made it clear as a president FLP, I will
never accept that. That's why I put it out there
and at no time did the police chief tell me
that was not going to happen.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
By the way, she called.
Speaker 5 (18:18):
Me before her statement went out and said, hey, what
do you think? And I just said, as long as
we respond when they call us for help, and as
long as we have a criminal that we have to
take it to, our custody will take them. And she
said one hundred percent. Usually when the politicians get involved, right,
as you know, our badge, our badge is not political.
Our badge is constitutional. So all we came out and says,
were sure the public that we're going to follow the law,
follow our oath, follow our policies. And that's all came
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down to. This got politicized bigger than it ever should
have been. Ice is here every single day, by the way, right,
this isn't just they came in. They brought a team
in for an operation, but they're here doing their job
all day long, right, And.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
It's not a new organization that Trump for. I mean,
this has been in existent for decades and decades and.
Speaker 5 (18:56):
Been around all day long a lot of times. And
I won't get baited. In'll say, hey, what's your personal
opinion on this? What's your officer's personal opinion. It does
not matter what our personal opinion is. As you know,
is well, we enforce laws. If you don't like laws,
change the laws. If you don't like policy, change the policy.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And to that, one of the things you and I
talked about last week, and this is where I start
to get upset about it is I mean, and we
are the first ones to say it is our right
to protest, and we protect those who are out there protesting,
and we'll do that all day long. Some of these groups,
though this one in particular, and Columbus now indivisible, they
are to me, they're pushing it. They're pushing the envelope.
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They published a list last week of the cars the
ice seasons are driving. I mean, it starts to get
into a dangerous slippery slope there when you do start
doing that stuff.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Two different parts here. As you know, I like to
sit down and engage a dialogue. We're elected officials. Again,
we don't always agree and always, but that's okay. One
elected officials we had a meeting and I flat out said,
I'm told you were at the ice protest and he
said yes, And I said, well, that dog does not
hunt with me and my members, and let me tell
you why. If your goal is to go to the
hotel of twenty ice agents and keep them up all night,
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Number one, what about the other five hundred people that
came into this town that got to go to work tomorrow.
They're on vacation, they'll never come back. And that Ice agent,
it's not his responsibility. He took an oath to enforce
a law. Go protest at the congress house. Go protest
at the legislator's house. And if your goal was to
keep up a person all night, who the next day
is going to go out regardless, can take civil freedoms away,
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maybe shoot and kill somebody, think about that. Hey, my
client was up all night because of this council member.
I said, I think that was idiotic.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Right.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
The second part of that is just these guys again,
they're going out there, they're going to do their job.
We're there to support him anyway we can follow in
our policy.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
Did the council member at least understand that?
Speaker 5 (20:49):
I think he did. I think he did understood it.
He kind of explained his reasoning why he was out there,
and I understand his reasoning. I respect his reasoning. I'm
purposely not calling out his name because I'm not here
to anything. But here's the good news. The fact that
the council and that the FLP can sit down and
have this conversation over a cup of coffee. That's something
that wasn't the case four years ago. I'm very the
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proud of the work our members did. And again I'm
not the FLOP. Our members are the FOP and they
gave me a mandate. They said, go out there, bridge,
you know, build some bridges where you can the ones
you got to burn. Hey, they'll like the path for
your journey. So we'll do that too. But it's been
great conversations.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
And Brian, you've done a great job. You look at
the last couple of years. Just the dialogue now between
the law enforcement and the politicians and the public.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
I mean, that's what we need. I mean, we all
have the same.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Goal of a safe society, and by a lot of
means we didn't get to talk about it today. There
is the crime across the country is on the downward trend,
which is a good thing. I mean, so we need
to all have that dialogue, even if we don't always disagree.
And that's why when we had prosecuted client on here.
I mean, that was great to have him sit here
with us and talk the talk.
Speaker 5 (21:57):
And that's a good example.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Maybe.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
So really he really said everything I said. I got
a little more, a little more of the protesters were
a little upset at how I said it, but we
really all said the same thing. We're the overall majority
of us. We just said it in different ways.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Absolutely, well, we appreciate you jumping on as usual and
out there and protecting us and speaking the good word
and standing up for the minimum law enforcement columboys.
Speaker 3 (22:21):
Thank you.
Speaker 5 (22:22):
I appreciate officially endorsed by Big Ed too.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
So that's big. That's big.
Speaker 3 (22:26):
I'll take that.
Speaker 5 (22:27):
I thought he wanted to beat me up the first
time I ever saw. Thank you, everybody.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
All right, good seeing Brian be safe out there today.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
All right, our good friendly tender Brian Steale with CPD
and FOP president.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
Guys.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Were gonna jump to a break.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
On the other side, we're gonna talk about hosters for
winter Time, Carrie and much much more. Wrong Talket broadcasting
live from the studios of l EPD Farms arranged.
Speaker 2 (22:48):
We'll be back after the break.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
Eric joined today in the l E p D Studios.
I got a big ed to my ride. I always
good to see big JC to my left.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Mister. Actually, Lieutenant Brianstale has left the studio. Always good
to hear from him.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
He should be president, vice president, he should be something big.
He's president of the FOP. Yeah. Well, yes, but I
wanted to be president of the United States.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (23:15):
Maybe that's good work.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Right, Well, there's something to look forward to when he
gets out of his law enforcement career, which mine ends
of this month.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Really, yes, you're just going to throw that on us
here all of a sudden. That's no, we need to
talk about that first year. I thought, I told you now, yes,
we needed that's going to be a discussion.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
I want to write in.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
Okay, yeah, write it in.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
So, guys, it's wintertime.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
It's cold outside, and many of us are carrying our firearms,
and so we thought we take the time and like
we do every year around this time, talk about different
holsters and ways to carry during the winter time because
it changes, it changes dramatically from summertime, Carrie, and so
we thought we go through some of those kind of
throw it out there kind of talk uh about with
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best practices and what we've done in the past, how
we've all ended up with a box of holsters. And
as we say that, Ed's like, I need to buy
a holster today.
Speaker 4 (24:10):
I just need the one for the three eighty because
it won't fit in the one that I carry my
block in.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
I'm going to get one too.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
So one of the things guys we talk about, you
know a lot of times when I go back and
look at that, when we've did these stories before, these
shows before, one of the things that that was part
of the topic was concealed carry versus open carry. Open
carries really off the table now with with permitless carry
out there, there's really really really no reason to open
carry and hunting on the farm something right, but it's
(24:41):
something that you really should think hard about not doing
just because it gives you a disadvantage versus the bad guys.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
The bad guys know you have the they're just there's
really there's nothing positive about.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
It is going to get taken out r right. It
comes down to something right and visit by the police,
because there's people with little cell phones and all, and
those the guy with a gun, he's walking down the
street and he's going to do something and they have
to respond. Yep.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
So so wintertime carry really is some of the easiest
times because you are able to uh, to conceal a
larger firearm more easier during the winter, during the winter
months and stuff.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
So let's talk about that.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Why what are why would I want to carry a
bigger fire what's the advantage of carrying a bigger firearm
for me?
Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yeah, bigger firearm because I love the forty five issue, know,
but the biggest, the biggest reason is the amount of
bullets that the gun will.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Huge capacity, so then you can you can carry what
you want basically where the.
Speaker 3 (25:38):
Done have less recoil just because of the way all
that physics. So, I mean, there's just so many things
about it very good versus a summer time one that
you slipped into a pocket.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
You know, that's right, so you're more potentially more accurate
with it, it's easier to shoot, right, and you know,
obviously the capacity difference.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
I mean, if you can carry.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Something more familiar with that one more because that's the
one you carry most of the time anyway for a
lot of people.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
Yeah, so when you carry that jac we talk about accessibility,
you know, you and that's step been you know there
is it's all about carrying the gun. But how how
can you get to that firearm in the time of
need and how important is it for you to be
able to get to it or practice that.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Listen, the bad guys know that better than you do.
I worked for our friendly prison system for a lot
of years. I learned so much from the inmates telling
me that oh, this is, this, is this, and yeah,
this is what we look for. And of course you know,
if you've got big heavy coat on, the chances are
that they have a chance to get to you before
you can get it. So just just to sum it up,
whenever you carry whatever you buy, when you get your
(26:39):
coat on, triple check it, make sure it's empty, magazines
out and see how how fast you can access it.
I mean, yeah, it's cold day and you've got a
big part of this puffy and it's and it's zipped up.
How are you doing the pendents carry? Do you have
to you know, pull up eight layers or closed to
try to get in there at the time? And you
know where is it? Is it accessible? And that can
call for some new hold it right.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
And the other thing too, guys, is it accessible in
the car. I mean something that you standing here you
might be able to get too easily. If you're sitting
down in the car, you're still gonna be able to
get to that the other part of it too. And
we all sit around and talk, you know, talk about
this stuff until there's nothing else to talk about. But
if I've always said, if you get to a point
where you have to draw it quickly, you've probably missed
(27:24):
the warning signs of the danger that's in front of you.
You shouldn't be in that position anyways. I mean, you know,
you know it happens, but you hopefully are identifying you know,
this is something I'm going to turn the other way.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
I'm going to walk across the street. Or if there
is an imminent.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Threat, you have already started to you know, get out there,
get prepared and stuff.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
It shouldn't be a scenario.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Where situational awareness.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
There you go.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
So so that's something to consider as you're doing that.
So let's talk about the different types. You know, it's
funny we were sitting here with that before the show
and in the day, I mean twenty years ago, the
nylon pancake holster, we had them all the Uncle Mike's.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
I mean I have one here.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I mean we had them all for all of our guns, yep.
And they were a little bit generic in their form,
so you had a semiato, but you bought it to
the barrel link and stuff.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Still a great holster.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
But one of the things I think one of the
reasons that we've kind of moved away from those and
we really don't even sell them anymore, just the nylon,
is because most of these firearms today are striker fired,
and we've talked about that a lot, where it doesn't
take much for that trigger to be pulled, and when
you're trying to if you can see on the camera,
when you're trying to reholster and something that is literally
(28:40):
as thin as a.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
Pancake pancake as they say, you run.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
That risk of a strapp being in there and with
a little downward pressure of ineverently firing the gun. So
I think that's why these haven't you know.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
I might have been in a block in my block
not used for twenty years.
Speaker 1 (28:55):
Now, But the thing is they did with those two
places of contact on the belt, it did hug your
body really well. I mean yeah, So, I mean, so
those I mean really aren't part of the discussion much anymore,
and really kind of unfortunately because I like it. A
lot of the leather ones aren't part and we have
(29:16):
we have a couple here, the scabbards that we sell
in the store. Still the this Santa is a nice
piece of leather.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
Well, it's a beautiful holster molded.
Speaker 1 (29:24):
To the firearms, so you know they're gonna fit it.
But big, they're they're big, they're bulky, and the young
guys don't. They don't go for it off, you know,
and stuff so bad and the bad guys don't either.
So really, today when you're looking at an outside the
waistband holster, what we sell the most of in the
store are the Kay and they the guns snap into them.
(29:50):
They remember when they first came out, Jason, everyone was
word of it's gonna wear the finish off the guns.
You're more apt to have the finish worn off of
a leather holster in and out.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Then these these Kay decks really and.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
So well they move in a leather holster. So sometimes
I've noticed that even if you haven't used the gun
that much, you go, hey, where did this wear come from? Right?
Because they as you love their expands and and it
loosens up, and usually you have to get rid of
the leather holster at about two to three to five years.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
And I have one that I had it for fifteen years,
if not longer, and I still use it. I mean
it's it's broke in and it's comfortable. That's one reason
I mean I don't. I don't carry it a lot.
I mean I still go with my my ind the
waist band Q Holster. Yeah, that's that's my every day.
(30:41):
I mean, that's and that's the smallest holster I've ever
seen in my life.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
And I love it, and it's going to stay that way.
This is nice too.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I mean I don't like wearing them on the outside
of my clothes because you know, I'm already a big guy,
so it's gonna print really easy.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
So that's why I go with the end of waist
band the way I do.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But like the one you have ed is the Blade Tech,
and we sell a tremendous amount of these. They're not expensive.
The nice thing about this one is it is ambidexterous,
so you can put those clips on either side, make
the left or right handed. A lot of them come
with a paddle as well or inside the waistband clips.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
There's a lot of versatility for a forty dollars holster there.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
It comes in one. I mean, you don't have to
buy extra parts. It's all one.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
And the guns snap in their nice for reholstering. Now
that's the only the only thing with these, and this
is one of the other topics to consider, is the retention.
There's not a whole lot of retention. I mean, it
snaps in there. You can put the gun upside down
in that holster and it won't fall.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Out, but there's not a lot of retention.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
There's somebody to grab it right right. Yeah, they do
say that, just like with the leathers. I noticed they
say if you turn it upside down and shake it
about three times, if it falls out within that time,
then it's time for a new holes. It needs to
be a little more snug.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So how how important is retention?
Speaker 1 (31:58):
I mean how important is it to I mean obviously
you don't want when you look at the retention, you
don't want the gun popping out at Walmart when you're
reaching for something. But if the bad guy sees it,
I mean in law enforcement, I mean we always trained
to be able to retain your gun and your holster
and then those have you know, two and three different
types of retention. Sure, how important is that? I mean,
(32:20):
is that a feasible thing with the bad guy could
see it?
Speaker 2 (32:23):
Well?
Speaker 4 (32:23):
I think, I mean in our line of work, if
you're going to carry outside the waistband, retention is very important,
especially if it's something where you people are going to
know you have it. When you're carrying concealed it's not
that big of an issue. I know, when I first
started carrying, I was very leery about carrying a holster
where it wasn't locked.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
In like an open top yep.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
And I was always concerned about somebody grabbing it. But
this day and age, I mean, and as I got
more comfortable carrying, you know, if it's concealed enough and
nobody knows you have it, you don't have to worry
about somebody getting it. If you get into a physical
altercation with somebody, then you got a problem because eventually
somebody's want to.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
Feel it and then they'll read to go for it.
Speaker 4 (33:06):
But again, it's like situational awareness. They're gonna You're gonna
be ready for him before you get to that point right.
Speaker 3 (33:14):
The other I think about KAYDEKX if you do want
to carry a light. We have a lot of guys
here want to carry lights and you're not going to
get a wholester like that. But with Kayaks, they just
heat it up. They could. You know, the custom holster
makers are not that much more expensive. You can get
it to fit your gun with your accessories the way
you want it. And a lot of holsters now are
being made so you can have an optic on there.
They're just cutting it down and that's important now because
(33:36):
a lot of people are switching to that. So it's
since you brought up the security purposes.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
I'm looking here at this Safari land holester and it's
a Kaitax and it also has a safety locking.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
It has a retention to it, so it's open top
and this is this is good because this is why
we put this one up here. And it's open top.
It looks I mean, it's pretty minimalist, yeah, but it
does have a a an als locking system that has
to be depressed, so it gives you a little bit
of that. The gun locks in there sure almost like
a duty gun and stuff. But it's yeah, but it
(34:07):
does offer that you know, a little bit higher level
of retention, and that regards you know, the other thing too.
And I was thinking about this the other day when
I was putting on a fire when we were going out,
and I don't know there's much you can do about this,
but oftentimes on the outside the waistband ones, we really
recommend having a holster that has two points of contact.
(34:28):
You know, you put the belt loop through, you know,
the belt through two different points, but really that's only
you usually only catch.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
One belt loop. You know.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
When you do that, there's only one belt loop that
is that's holding the whole thing up.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
That doesn't take much.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
I mean, if if there's somebody who is adamant about
getting your gun, it doesn't take much. You could rip
that holster off, you know, just a belt loop holding
it on. I mean it doesn't.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
I mean, look at it, just one right there, that's it.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
I mean, if you pull that hard enough, all you're
pulling against is one belt loop.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So just to.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
Consider, you know, but and the big thing, just to
go back to it, whatever you do. This is advice
that we give here with our holsters. You know, you
can you can try them out at home as long
as you don't scratch them up. And I suggested my
classes when I teach, I said, bring your credit card,
get three four holsters, take them home. Try them with
what you are wearing. Change your jackets, change us how
(35:20):
you're carrying them. You know, one or two may work
as long as they're not scratched up. Bring the other
ones back. And I mean that's the way to do it.
Sit down in the car. That's what's the beauty of
that is sitting down the car. So what I carry
I carry two revolvers, one in each pocket. So I
got two hammerless snubnose and they sit there and I
my pockets. I carry them with zippered pockets. So if
(35:42):
I don't want, oh no I can. I mean, why
I'm in a car, my hand in the pocket. I
shoot through them. You shoot through your coat, your coach,
not anything. Your life's worth a lot. Where I used
to teach, we used to go down and buy these,
you know coats the Goodwill for two bucks three bucks
and go with the range and and you know, and
it's amazing point shooting. I mean, you know, you know
that it's just bang and the you know, the old
k Park was flying around and It was a lot
(36:04):
of fun, but hey, what's your life worth? So it's
worth more than your coach.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Training is definitely a big part of carrying, no matter what,
whether in the summertime, winter time, spring, whatever. Training with
a holster it is knowing where it's at and getting
used to where it's at so you have memory. It's
just automatic, and that's that's the biggest thing I strussed people.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
That is the beauty the revolver. Though with a semi automatic,
I couldn't do that at all. I mean I couldn't
you pull, you can't shoot, you can't do any of that.
So that's them.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
You know, one thing that you talked about the location
of it, And most of the time we have people,
especially the newer folks in here who are buying a
wholetter for the first time on the outside the waistband
and they want to put it right at what we
call three o'clock position, and that's you know, that's kind
of where you wear in law enforcement and everything else.
But from a concealed carry standpoint, to me, that's one
of the worst.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Places you're armed to cover it up what it sets
yourself right, So you want to have a little bit
back there.
Speaker 1 (36:57):
So if you can get it to that four o'clock,
just back ever so so it takes it off your profile.
People don't even see it. They're your arms, like you said,
jac sitting naturally and stuff. And it's it's certainly for me,
is the better the better way? The other thing too,
you know, inside the waistband holsters you were talking about
ed for me. I don't wear inside the waistband very
much during the winter because too much well there's too
(37:19):
much and then you know, if your if your pants
are you know, fit to you, and you're trying to
jam a gun in there. Now you can get away
with it sometimes, but you know, oftentimes that's a good
summertime thing. But there are holsters and like we had
the one we have here where if you do choose
to go inside the waistband, a lot of these holsters
now you can tuck a shirt in so you know
(37:39):
you're going to some place where you really want to
be concealed. I've wore this many a times with your
shirt tucked in and all you see is that little clip.
So there's still a place for it during during the
winter time.
Speaker 3 (37:52):
So yeah, the olds are going to be smaller people
are starting to carry. I mean, you know, like this
every day, like the three sixty five the every day
for that sake, and they're happy the nine millimeters this
small and slim. But you know, sometimes it's easier to
get to a bigger gun. So you just have to
make that decision. But what you're wearing is great. The
shoulder host Why we need a shoulder holder. You've got up.
You've got a zip polartech our jacket on. It's just
(38:13):
right there. When you're in a car, you can access it. Yeah, yeah, dressed.
Speaker 1 (38:17):
Up, but you don't see it. We we rarely sell
shoulder holdters now. And I wore this one day just
kind of for the fun of it and stuff. And this
was a traditionals and this was made famous in Miami
Vice and and everything else. I mean, it's what you
wore in the day, I mean, and it's comfortable. I mean,
I don't know about for a long, long periods of time.
Speaker 3 (38:35):
It was so good that Ylko Bottom Mountain said, are
selling it? Right? So there you go.
Speaker 1 (38:38):
And then uh, you know, belly bands are similar to
that nature winter time, it might be a little bit
tough for that because again, the layer of.
Speaker 3 (38:45):
Plaster magazine is going to off setus away a little bit.
So yeah, fully adjustable. I love them, guys.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Let's just have to a quick break and we come back.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
We continue our discussion and talk about some of the
things that for the females out there and how they
can carry during the wintertime, ultimately broadcasting a lot from
the students APD Farms Range.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Will be back after the break. All right, you know,
ellis Elle's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
She's great.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Yeah, she is, She's she's she's pretty good. I'm gonna
put a good word in for Santa for next year.
I know it's early. Yes, that's right, guys. Welcome back
to on Target. I'm here Eric joined today with Big
Ed and JC.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
You're talking about holsters for winter time carry. Guys, we
don't have a ton of time left. I'm gonna throw
out a couple of things there and you tell me
what you think. One of the things is we talk
about rehol string and one of the things I cringe
about this time of year are people reholstering when they
have jackets on, especially JC, the ones with that cord
where you can sense it a little bit. There's so
(39:42):
many cases where that cord gets caught and you put
your gun in, you feel a little resistance. You're thinking, okay,
no big deal, let me just push it down a
little bit further, and you actually fire the gun.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
You just gotta watch that sort of thing when you're
when you're reholstering it absolutely cut off, cut them off.
Speaker 3 (39:57):
Yeah, sometimes it's tough enough in the summer to re holster.
Though in the winter sometimes it's like, hey, let me
just stop going to a bathroom.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Scratch ankle holsters. Dad loves to this day.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
Ankle holsters he wears and that's what he wears out
and about a lot I do on duty. I think
my pants are too too narrow at the bottom. But
it is definitely a feasible option depending on your clothing
and stuff. I mean it, he conceals it well.
Speaker 3 (40:22):
And unless you're wearing Bermuda shorts or something in Florida
in the winter, that doesn't work.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
So that's a little bit tougher. Belts.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
You know, we've brushed upon it, but you got to
make sure you have a good belt.
Speaker 3 (40:32):
I mean, that makes such a difference. And I was
guilty of that and unfortunately now I have actually a
reinforced belt. Other than that, they stretch, they they do
all sorts of bets and.
Speaker 2 (40:43):
The belts we have here, Ed, I know you've had
them before.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
They're they work, They really work.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
So get yourself a good belt paddle holsters. Guys, what's
your thoughts on the paddle holsters.
Speaker 3 (40:54):
I always thought it worked great for police officers when
they had to go into you know, facility, courtroom something
like that, because there's so much easier than to undo
your melt or take that off or you could just
do it. But other than that, I've had a couple
and they're setting in my box of on you.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Yeah, it's the same here, I got a box of them.
I mean they're okay. It's again, I'm not a outside
the waistband carrier except when I'm working, so I mean
they're okay if you're working playing clothes.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
I don't like it because it never holds the firearm
close enough for me. I always feel like it's hanging
out there and for the little bit of a benefit.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
And and some of them.
Speaker 1 (41:28):
Now are so molded that you know that they're trying
to be comfortable, but unless you have them seated in
the exact position, they're not that comfortable.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Sometimes so I don't. I'm not a huge paddle guy.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
There are some generic cultures now it's generic Kaidex put
out by g Code and stuff that are good. So
if you have you know, if you want one houlter
that maybe fits a couple of guns, not a bad
not a bad option.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
And if you're thinking about it, we have a ton
of holsters here, please come in and follow that advice.
You can try it on our bathroom stuff with your
your arm. Make sure it's not loaded. We'll check it
out anyway. But you can try your gun by three
or four. But whatever you think will work, what works
for you keep and with not we take back with
not damage. So ye please do that.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
For the ladies out there, purses are still enormously popular.
Speaker 2 (42:15):
You have a little bit.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
You got to be pay attention to making sure that
you know that the retention on that obviously, but that
is still a viable way for a lot of ladies
to carry. And jac you mentioned during break some of
the clothing, some of the like the yoga style pants
have built in pockets now that can be really beneficial
for carrying.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
And that because they fit snug enough and and you
know with a small gun, which probably you would use.
But you can carry that a magazine or some of
the flat and be very comfortable with it. Yep.
Speaker 1 (42:46):
The other thing too, wintertime also allows you to potentially
carry extra mags.
Speaker 2 (42:49):
I mean, I certainly do that.
Speaker 1 (42:51):
And one of the things too, and I had written
down there and stuff restraints and ed. We always talk about, oh,
do you have handcuffs with you or something, But.
Speaker 3 (42:57):
Now you've got those fur lined ones, right, yeah, yeah,
I thought so. But they.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
But restraints anyone can car, I mean, and we sell
very inexpensive two or three dollars just you can put
in your pocket in case you get in that situation
where you need to help restrain someone. Super easy to do,
so super easy, guys. Thanks for spending the last hour.
It went by so so quick. We got a ton
of good shows coming up in the next couple of
weeks and stuff. But thanks for spending the time with us.
(43:24):
Hope you had a great Christmas. And uh next next
show is next year, so they say new year, and uh, yeah,
let's be careful out there.
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