Happy Independence Day: Freedom and Firearms!

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Episode Transcript

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I witnessed supping this week while patrollingthe streets on the north end of town.
I'm a strong person, seen alot of things, but what I
saw this week made me really sick. An eternal optimists, you might say,
kind of like well Clark w.Griswold at times, But on that
day I just parked and sat andreflected on how bad our city had become.

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It's worth than I even thought.It's not so much that the out
of control crime is horrible, It'snot so much that the judicial system and
prosecutors just can't seem to get itright. I was sickened this week to
see what our mayor our city councilare elected prosecutors have done to a police
department that was on top of itsclass, truly, one that was looked

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upon for guidance from agencies across thecountry, one that was proud to protect
and serve our community and we're alwaysalways given the tools and support to do
so to keep us safe. Nowat times just appearing to be going through
the motion shorthanded, going call tocall to call, always afraid that one
split second decision could land you behindbars, with no justification other than feeding

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the woke culture they have created.These leaders should be ashamed of themselves.
They have single handily destroyed our city. And if any one of them would
have the guts to come on thisshow and defend their actions, well,
I would be less surprised if Iwoke up tomorrow with my head sown to
the carpet. Their actions, wehave documented time and time again, are

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the reasons we are where we aretoday. But we have short memories.
Remember when Klein, throughout four thousandcases in the interests of community justice,
I do or who could forget?When Prosecutor Tayak ran on the platform that
not enough officers were being prosecuted forshooting and killing black men. Forgot that

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one, didn't you? He said, and I quote listen closely. We
need to get the message out toofficers. We need to get them message
out to officers that if they succumbedto the temptation to shoot, if they've
succumbed to the temptation to shoot,we will end up penalizing them and maybe
even sending them to prison to spendtime with folks that they have previously put

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there. They believe they're shooting toprotect their own lives. But it's still
their choice. His quote gives youa different perspective now, and when you
see officers running towards danger, trueheroes Tayak Klein get their city council all
or the reason the city is inthe state of chaos today. Now.

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I know you're saying, come on, come on, what did you see
this week that has you so firedup? But I'm not going to talk
about it here, not today,because it's never the fault of fellow officers
for just carrying out directives from above. But I will tell you the bad
guys in Columbus have the advantage,and officers are oftentimes no longer allowed to

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catch the bad guys, even whenyou think the crime committed should justify putting
them behind bars. The general publichas no idea, and this week I
saw it firsthand. It is worsethan I thought. Please please be sure
and thank that officer when you seethem out there this week. This week,

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though, it's a time for celebrationof our independence, a time to
reflect on the ones before us whostood up to diversity like we see today.
They faced at times insurmountable challenges andthey overcame. We are the home
of the free, and now weneed to show the city and the country
again we are also the land ofthe brave. I refuse to give in

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to this culture that is being thrustupon us, and neither should you.
Now more than ever, we needto stand behind our leaders. Stand behind
the good people in our community whocontinue to fight and be vocal, the
leaders who speak when no one elsewill. We need to stand behind good
people, good law abiding, godfearing people, regardless as to what political

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affiliation comes after their name. Ifyou have a solid moral compass and good
values, I don't have to agreewith all your policies to support you.
I will not let the bad guyswin in this city, and neither should
you. Where a nation and acity with a history of resiliency, and
now more than ever, it's ourtime to show future generations that when they

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are faced with their inevitable struggles andyears to come, they will look to
history and say, we need topersevere and fight for what is right for
this country, just like that generationdid before us. As we go into
the celebration of our independence this week, remember that the road was not always
easy, but we have a giftlike no other nation. We are given

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opportunity to right the wrongs, andwe will make this city and the protectors
within once again the heroes. Taketime on Tuesday to enjoy your family and
friends, but reflect on what youcan do to make this city and country
strong for the next generation. Staysafe, and remember those who sacrifice to
give us this independence. Have agood Independence Day, Good afternoon. Welcome

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to On Talking. We're broadcasting livefrom the studios of LPD Firearms Range and
Training Facility that's located at nine ninenine Bethel Road. I am your host,
Eric also one of the owners righthere at the store. How are
you guys going doing? Okay,I'm sick everything and everybody me too,
Chuck, Yeah, me too.It is man. I'm assuming what you

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don't want to talk about is whatI want to talk about. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, because I knowwhen I talk to you this week,
it's just, um, you know, I toe the line because I don't
want to put people on the spot. And when I you know, I
don't know, I struggle with that. It is extremely frustrating. And what

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I saw in some of these officerseyes this week, they were beyond frustrated
and if he yeah, let's justsay it was frustrating. At least somebody's
gonna do something. So there's Idon't know what kind of suit, what
kind of action, what kind ofprocess needs to be filed against the city
government, the mayor, the council, the prosecutor. Somebody, get Brian

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Steele on the phone. Somebody dosomething, because they are taking away the
guts of our police department in theirpractices and policies and what our officers can
no longer do, and and it'sridiculous. And I'm telling you, old
man over on the West Side shotsomebody who stole his car for the third
time, yeah, three times now, and that old man's face and charges

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because because he felonious assault apparently iswhat they're they're going to charge sway for.
People are getting tired of it,and this is going to get worse
as people discover the police aren't goingto be able to help you, They're
going to start helping themselves. Chuck. It's funny to mention that I talked
to an officer this week and wewere talking about this, this rash of
stolen cars, and they were sayingthat there has been several cases now where

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somebody sees their own car out therethat was stolen previously, and they call
in and nine one one, Hey, I'm behind it, and this bat
says, well, okay, justyou know, we're not going to chase
it. And then people said,well then I am, I'm going to
get my property back, and thedispatcher no, no, no, no,
no, I am. If youcan't do something about it, I'm

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going to do something about it.And that's what we're forcing people to do.
I mean, if you're gonna haveto protect your belongings and yourself,
you know, if they if ourofficers has their hands tied, that's an
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Did you do was it last week? You did box roll week?
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No, okay, all right,yeah, you have to listen to mister

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Chuck Douglas. This week, guys, Chicago, m Chuck, you want
to do Chicago, not particular.Okay, um, this week, sixty
four people this week shot in Chicagoand we haven't even hit the fourth of
July weekend. Um, so it'sit's bound to be a bang up time.
There are statistics though, for thefirst half of twenty twenty three.
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, thisis the worst first half. Now,

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fourteen hundred fifty seven people shot.Yeah, you want plenty bets on them.
They hit three thousand for the year. I think they will well.
Yeah, the heat of summer,of the holidays, when people are broken
this Biden economy and going out anddoing whatever they have to do to try
to buy Christmas presents or whatever betweensummer and holidays. Yeah, I think
they hit three thousand this year.So here's the question, Chuck, what

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do you do with the next statWhat can you do? It's this,
It's all over. It is anymajor city. If you go and look
at the homicide, felonious assaults,anything involving a weapon, you're going to
find a similar st Ninety seven percentin the case of Chicago of the known
assailants are either black or Hispanic.You're going to find that. And six

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percent of the victim. Yes,these these neighborhoods are being ratheridh But I
mean, there's no such thing asblack on black crime. If you talk
to any politician or any media outlet, don't that's that's sacrilege, don't you
say it? Um, Black Americashould be up in arms over this crap
because they are up in arms andthey're using them against each other. That's

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I mean, the normal normal Americansought to be. This is this is
stupid to neglect to address it,talk about it, and acknowledge it is
that. That's that's offensive. Howupid are you supposed to be as a
culture that ninety six percent of thevictims are going to be black or Hispanic,
and ninety seven percent of the assailantsare going to be black or Hispanic.

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And nobody wants to admit all theseAll honestly white folks in charge of
disseminating information don't want to say there'sblack on black crime. It doesn't exist.
Everything's fine. Contribute to my campaign. No, No, it is
happening all over this country. Everymajor city where we've got a violence epidemic.
Look at the numbers. It's notjust Chicago. Check out Columbus,

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Ohio. Folks. Yeah, it'sincredible. It is incredible, the Soros
dream come true. It truly isrooting the fabric of America. It truly
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I've even done that. I can'tevery week here, yes, and and
all right, guys, let's dothis. Don't tell him, but I'll
join you also. So guys,let's turn to a quick break because we
come back, we'll get the floorto JC and his news. Uh,
we're on talking of broadcasting live tothis in the studios of LAPD Farms.

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Range. Will be back right afterthe break. I wish they would just
stay out of politics. You know. Yeah, welcome back on target.
I'm your host, Eric Joint inthe LAPD studio that I got a little
chuck to my right, I gotjac to my left, and JC,
I'm gonna turn the floor over toyou because there is some you know,
something that we were so excited aboutlast year or the year before. Yeah,

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it's coming back to buy. I'mfill it a little down today after
doing all this research with like tenpages of stuff here I got. But
it's yeah, it's it. Bruinsseems to becoming like a bear. It's
biting us in the butt a littlebit um according to the reviews, that
what some of the district courts aredoing. So but the big news was
yesterday and it just happened yesterday afternoon. The Supreme Court is agreeing to take

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up a new Second Amendment case.Now, they've only been seven in the
history of the Supreme Court, butthree have been in the last three years.
So one was mooted out involved agethe guy already turned twenty one,
and so they just said, okay, here it is. But we're not
doing anything, We're not wasting ourtime. But but seven in history three
in the last of three years,and now they're going to take up another

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one. This one the court agreesto review domestic violence restraining order gun bands.
So yeah, this is this isthis is unusual in the fact that
someone who really needed to be ona gun band for domestic violence challenged its

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under the new Bruin. And thething about Bruin that you have to realize.
I mean, we were all likeyeah, yeah, yeah, because
this is one of the top cases. But it relied so much on the
history of the United States, andthey made a big deal about going back
in history to see what was donein this country and how that affected the

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Second Amendment and the right to ownguns. Well, it turns out didn't
have too many people being charged withdomestic violence back in the seventeen hundreds,
eighteen hundreds, nineteen hundreds. It'sa relatively new charge. So they agreed
to the cases called United States versusRomney. Romney r. Hi m I

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in a Fifth Circuit Court of Appealsruled that the prohibition from owning guns were
being subject to a domestic violence restrainingorder is unconstitutional. And this is the
same court that had ruled that consistentlyon same domestic case that dope can't have
it. There's a lot of nineteenthirty eight pass saying that felons can't can't

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have guns. And um that ifyou're going to threaten someone, Violet said
we can, we can take takethat away. They've already ruled on that.
Now they're backtracking based on Brewin.So, um, the spreme courts
now going to take up this question. So again I mentioned how many that
we have done and but the butthe big thing is Brewin created a new

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Second Amendment test that the court isgoing to have to reason with. And
the circuit courts are splitting in manydecisions that have based on what Brewin has
said. Now this Romney character,he's a bad man, and this is
not a case that is backed bygun rights advocates. Um, he's from

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Texas. He admitted possessing guns inviolation of restraining order take it out against
him by the mother of his child, not his wife, but the woman
to bore his child as a resultof family violence, and police discovered guns
after searching his residence. And hehad committed multiple shooting crimes recently. He

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had taken part at least five differentshootings over the course of six weeks.
I mean those incidents arranged from shootingsomeone that he was selling percoset too,
then shooting another person who who saidhe cut off in traffic and he fired
a gun at what a burger becausehis friend's credit card was denied. This

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guy's pretty wacco and the mother ofhis child said family violence. So they
took it away, and he goes, well, wait a minute, as
attorney says, after the Bruin,is there a history of taking away gun
violence folks. So when it cameup to this Fifth Circuit Court, they
said, they really looked at everything. They didn't think this guy should but
they said under the Bruin test,because the big thing in the restraining order

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restriction was this historical tradition of gunregulation as required under the Brewin test.
So they went back, as Imentioned earlier, in history and found out
that, you know, we don'tsee anything in history where we've taken our
arms away from domestic violence, becausewe really have had those back in the

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history. So they've reasoned that thepanel concluded that no matter how well intentioned
the gun being was, it wasit was incompatible with a Second Amendment under
Brewin. So this history thing hasbeen going back and they really trial They
said, the Brewin forecloses any suchanalysis of what a person has done in

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the past. What's going on infavor of a historical analogical inquiry into the
scope of allowable burden on the SecondAmendment? Right, so they're now concluding
that Second Amendment's going to take presidentof this. Well does a matter of
practicality though? I mean he beathis what or his domestic Yeah, so

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we know he beat his baby mama. We know he shot up of five
places in six weeks. It's Imean, that's like if the police pulled
me over on a homicide warrant andcite me for my my turn signal being
out? Do we really care aboutthe guy's a dirt ball prosecute and put
him in jail for being a dirtball? Why do we need that extra
and said, oh, we madea law that he can't have guns.

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Does he care? But when whenhe gets out, should he be allowed
to have him? No? No? What that See, but that's based
on the conviction of Felonie involving fire. But that's a different Now they're protesting
that, right, But this onlyis limited too. Should someone charge with
domestic violence be deprived of their secondmodment rights? That is the sole thing

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that Supreme Court is going to lookat if he gets convicted, because I
don't think he was a felony aheadof time. If I indicated that,
I apologize, but but I don'tthink he was a felon. But now
he's probably going to be after allof these. But that's what they're going
to look at. And they lookedat they looked at how laws historically have
handled similar situations where groups of peoplewere disarmed, and they said, usually,

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I mean these are old from CivilWar times. Usually, they said
racial minorities, Indians, blacks thatwere perceived as dangerous as a group,
and they be in it. Butnone of these were to be adjudicated as
as a threat to an individual.And so they said, we really can't
apply those That's what the Circuit Courtfound. So basically they tossed the conviction

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and now hopefully the the Feds,because it's a federal case. The Feds
hopefully are going to kick this upthe line. Now, just let you
know. Earlier in June this month, full panel of the Third Court ruled
that a Pennsylvania man's felony conviction forfood stamps couldn't prohibit him from owning a

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gun. So they but that wasyou know, that was a non violent
and um. Then just weeks after, a three general panel from the Eighth
Circuit Court came to the opposite conclusionin case of a Minnesota man who was
barred from owning guns because he haddrug convictions in the past. So the
courts are kind of split on thisum. But this divestic violence one um

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was you know, based on thehistoricity, and that's what the Supreme Court
says it's going to be looking at. So let me just tell you that's
the one one case. Oh allright, Yeah. The other one's even
worse. Uh yeah, the guy'sbeen in prison. Uh and they that's
the first. Yeah. Yeah,let's talk about that one when we come
back, because that was worth it. We're with guys. We're gonna jump

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to the bottom of hour of breakwhen we come back, when to finish
that discussion on with JC and thenews, and then we're gonna get to
the twenty two long rifle. We'reI'll talk about breadcasting live from the studios
of LPD Farms Range will be backright after the break. Welcome back to
target. I mean he's Eric Joynetoday in the LAPD Studios. That's LAPD
Live Studios and SENSUS Live. Thatmeans we have a live to the audience.

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Hey look out, I'm wow.I can't even see the deep on
the back today, John, Oh, yeah, it goes back this probably
because of the smoke. Isn't thatshow business? Hid away Canada? When
do we start making trees out ofplastic? Because that no smell like no
wood I've ever come across before.I'm just saying, why do they put
the darn thing out? Yeah?How many fires are there is? Is

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there any Canada left that's not inashes? At this point? It's one
Canada. It's the entire country,it seems. But I mean here looks
Seriously, if if somebody runs overa dog in Butte, Montana, the
local television stations have cameras, wegotta show you about a dog getting run
over in Butte Montana. Has anybodyturned on four six and tendan seen video
of fires in Canada? Chuck,I think that Channel ten yesterday tried to

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do it and they said we havethis and they show a stud shot of
some trees burning that could be anywhere. Man. I want to see I
want to see video. I wantto see a report from a reputable reporter
in Canada. I want to seethat. I know, I know the
same thing to us. Well,guys, when we went to the break,
we were talking a little bit aboutthe Bruin decision and some of the

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fallout from that. Jac whats this, Heather? Part of the story?
All right again Bruin fallout. Thiswhy it's a little down today coming in.
Okay, here's a big win.A federal judge tosses a gun possession
case against a convicted felon. So, uh, this is this is pretty
amazing, all right. Seemingly angry, this is my words, seemingly angry,

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in spiteful of US District Judge CarltonReeves. He was an Obama pointee,
he's down in Mississippi. He dismisseda felon in possession of a firearm
prosecution against a Jesse Bullock, Mississippiman. This was just on Wednesday.
This is the very first time aUS district court has struck down the federal

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pro ambition of a convicted felon possessingfirearms the first time, because there is
a law out there that came outin nineteen thirty eight that prevented convicted felons
from owning firearms. But his analysisof what Bruin said said, well,
I don't you know in his angeris evident on his writing that he just

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really lashed out. As a matterof fact, even before when they made
this decision. He made headlines inNovember publicly chastising the Supreme Court for its
legal test outline and Bruin and hisemphasis on history reaching outcomes. He said,
the justice Freme Court distinguishers a babyare not trained historians. And so

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he even said this. He evenwrote before he took a case to the
Department Justice and said, we're notexperts on what white, wealthy male property
owners thought about firearms in the seventeenninety one So and then he went on
to say that, gee, ifin the case uh that that started this
a Bruin case in New York,He said, gee, if New York
presented seven hundred years of information yetthe Supreme Court said that wasn't enough,

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then this law from thirty eight certainlyisn't enough. And in his anger,
he went on and just said,hey, you know, even though there's
been one hundred and twenty district courtUS district court cases that have upheld the
felon in possession ban, that's insufficientnow. And he said the government citation

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and volume of cases is not enough. How bad this? Well, who's
the guy? This guy? Idon't know if you wanted as a neighbor.
But Jesse, who in nineteen ninetytwo was convicted of aggravated assault and
manslaughter for bar fights or fifteen yearsin prison, was also convicted of fleeing
law enforcement attempted aggravated assault on lawenforcement officer in twenty fifteen twenty eighteen,

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indicted for knowingly possessing a firearm asa convicted felon, but he escaped h
and a capture until basically that theygot him in two thousand and twenty,
which he filed the the case.And so the judge just said, well,
going over Bruin, Um, youknow from historical I don't you know,

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I don't see this. And healso mentioned he goes gee, so
this may mean tens of millions offelons can now go out and get guns.
So he that is what he did. So for her climate history.
He passed that, so um soanyway, Department of Justice declined on whether
or not they planned to appeal.But tens of millions of non felons are

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going to be felons because they havea breeze on their web. Yes,
but this could this could take thisSo this was a huge Yeah. I
mean, this guy he killed somebodyor shot somebody in a bar. He
attempted to beat up a cop.But the way it sounds that cop beat
him instead. He ran from thepolice when they came after him. He
kept a gun even when he knewhe wasn't supposed to. And he's somebody

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who who should have a gun.That that's just stupid and that's twenty twenty
three ruled guys. Well good Jasonsecond one yep, okay, Hey,
Joe Biden. An analysis is lightabout guns three hundred and four times in
sixty five public events. You needto look this up. Just go to
emma land dot com for this weekand look up that because they list every

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single time, three hundred and fourtimes he is led. We all know
about blowing the guns out, blowingthe lungs out with the night. How
about that. I meant when everyone of them. When you put an
armbrace on a gun, it makesthe caliber go oop. Yeah, I
mean every one of them is onthere for entertainment. Three hundred and four
of them am Oland dot Com andthere are fifteen. But you should get

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shut and shoulder. They are fifteen. Your legs fall off. It's come
on, man, we don't needlegs falling on. Yeah, come on
man. With that note, let'sjump to a break and we get back.
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LPD Farms Range. You'll be backshortly, Taylor Swift, isn't it,
Yeah, it is, Chuck.Now, I'm just gonna say this briefly.
I just got a message from Paul. Paul. Yeah, he's not
here because he's cruising. Did youknow he bought a Mustang No, I
didn't know. He wanted a manualtransmission. I can't even find the guy

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no more. Really, it's likean O five low miles. He's zipping
up down snope, but he's squealingtie I mean he's out of control.
He put a few new parts onthat guy and he thinks he can do
anything. Oh, I know,I'll tell you. I'll tell you.
It is a sharp looking car.And he just texted me they're out cruising
us. Whether if you see them, text me because I have no idea

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where that man's been. That's jeez, and your mom is who he's cruising
with. You never know, younever know, I would assume. Yeah,
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rifle, one quick shout out.You know, we do a lot of
estate sales here, a lot ofused guns, a lot of really neat
things we just took in department trades, which are always kind of neat.

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These are kind of a unique departmenttrade SIG two two sixes and two two
nine so solid solid guns. There'sa few in there that are actually German
made. They were duty guns,so they get your normal holster were they
all have three mags. I thinkall of them have boxes, and all
of them I think come with aduty holster. So if you're in private

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security or you know, in sometype of a security detail, you could
you get you know, a safarileand duty holster, which is a couple
hundred dollars right now anyways, butthese are going for four thirty nine now
they are in forty cow, butthey are they're great guns. I mean,
to have a Sig two two sixor two two nine for that price

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with the holster, that's a gooddeal. And my birthdays this month.
Well there you go. Wow,that is odd just saying so guys.
Yeah, they're just chuck just oneon the left there. Yep. The
most popular ammunition in the world tothis date is the twenty too long rifle.

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And you might say, geez,why would I ever want to twenty
two But a lot of us,most of us have grown up learning on
twenty twos and they're extremely practical forplinking around, shooting at the farm,
as as John would say, dispatchingsmall critters. So tell us a little
bit about how this cartridge, youguys started, j S. This is

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it's an amazing history and it's,you know, just the most wonderful cartridge.
I mean, it's it's been commerciallyanyway. And let me start it
out. Okay, France in eighteenforty five, they had percussion caps and
a Lewis Nicholas Flobert said, gee, look at this percussion cap that goes
this. I bet I can sticka little just a ball on there,

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and happened to be a twenty twocaliber round lead ball weigh about eighteen to
twenty greens that's about half of whatstandard one would weigh today, and no
powder, just the primer. Andhe just said, this would make a
great parlor gun for indoor shooting,and that is what it was designed for
eighteen forty five, so he andbut the amazing thing is that this was

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the very first self contained metallic immunition. Really yeah. And it was just
the percussion cap that you had happenedto be that caliber. No one picked
it out. A little round ball. There you go, having a blast
in the parlor with your friends.And but I'll tell you that really got
things started. In eighteen fifty seven, Smith and Wesson created the first metallic

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cartridge that actually had powder in it, and it was the twenty two short
in eighteen fifty seven, continually producedsince that date, so one hundred and
thirty six years we've been using thistwenty two cartridge. So it was the
first, it was the oldest andum It was introduced because Smith and Wesson.

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Actually it was pattent in fifty four, but they came up with a
gun. Their very first gun wastheir Model one Smith and Wesson Model one.
It was a seven shot twenty twoshort one was their first gun.
It was their first gun, Smithand Wesson first model revolver, intended for
serious self defense. We laugh atthat today, but back then everyone had

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captain ball. You had the lobe, put the powder. Do this.
Now you can have seven cartridges andthink about what medical care was. You
didn't pick up a phone because theyweren't there calling nine one one. You're
out there. You get shot inthe gut with a twenty two and it's
just like the elephants that get killedwith that. They should have been.
Twenty two is in the gun andfour weeks later they die. So it
was a It was a It wasactually intended for serious self defense. So

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that was eighteen fifty seven. Well, of course, be America, bigger
or better things get going, andit really took off. It was loaded
with, by the way, twentynine grain bullet, four grains of black
powder, very finely ground from thefour f I think, and then thirty
years later it's available with smokeless powder. So for think about that, thirty
years I've been in black powder beforethey came up with the smokeless just it

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was because it was quiet, selfcontained cartridge you have to do anything really
popular, so it was pretty akneem ech and around though, but people
said that bigger better. In eighteenseventy one, they said, we just
put a longer case on there andanother grain of black powder, so that
a twenty five percent increase five grainsof black powder, and low and behold,
they created the twenty two long cartridge, still seen today, but it's

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getting kind of obsolete because actually withthe modern powders of twenty two short can
outperform a twenty two long, kindof like the sixteen gage with a twenty
can do better than that in thetwelve. But but it was it was
around for a long time. Hundredsof guns and rifles were created for the
twenty too long, and of coursea short same dimensions can fit in,
so it can fire both a shortand the look so and by the way,

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they're twenty two long. CECI stillmakes them and they get around twelve
hundred and fifteen feet per second outof them with a modern powder. But
Stevens Arm Company eighteen eighty seven,they said, gee, why don't we
take this long case with some moremodern powder, sticks some more powder in
there, put a forty grain bulleton it, and low and behold the

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birth of the twenty two long rifle, the most popular cartridge in the world.
Here in the US, about twoand a half billion are produced every
single year, and that's really notenough to meet the demand. A few
years ago, they're doing about sixbillion many years ago. But still it
is just in the array. It'sjust mind boggling it can be today they

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have everything from twenty grain up tosixty grain bullets for some of the subsonic
silence rounds. The velocities are goingoff the chart there. You could be
used rifles specials. There's no manufacturerthat makes a gun that really you know,
it doesn't have a twenty two intheir line, or if they don't,
think there's a conversion kit that theycan they can build with it.

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It's just the most versatile carton andit's inexpensive to shoot. I mean,
you're looking at I think the leastexpensive, Yeah, I think one hundred
rounds maybe fourteen fifteen bucks and greatfor practice. And a lot of these
manufacturers have come out and we haveright here on the desk one of them,
uh fn being one glock being anotherwhere they've come out with some that

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have mirrored a similar one in ninemillimeters. So if you have the nine,
you look at the twenty two andyour see you say, geez,
this is great to practice with.It's inexpensive to shoot. And if it's
the same holsters so you can getyou know, train someone on it to
ease them into the nine or whatever. I mean. The versatility I mean
rifles, single shots, um,you know, lover actions, pump actions,

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some automatically been making full automatic twentytwo long rifles. Uh that's uh
and from the least expensive stuff thatyou can get. And we have some
really reasonable guns that are out therethat are so much fun up to ones
that cost an arm and a legum and they are it's just an incredible
cartridge and handguns, same thing,single shots, semi automatics, revolvers,

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um, double barrel daring. Imean, they make everything for it.
It is the most fun, funand they're incredibly accurate. They claim it,
they're the most accurate of all thecalibers. There's no recoil. It's
gonna be I mean, that's rightinstantly in anybody who's like never shot before,
seriously, because I've got I thinktwo twenty two is now it's like
this seriously, that's pretty much it. Yeah, that's somebody standing and kind

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of clap in their hands. There'sno big boom to intimidate you. Right.
And also it's really rare that agood story starts with the words in
France. I just wanted to lookyeah, so and that is true,
that is noted. And I meantalk Jese, you talk about AMMO.
We have one of my favorite here, the Remington bullets bucket O bullet.
I mean, what other caliber canyou walk out with? Fourteen hundred,

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fourteen hundred. I took fourteen hundredrounds and a little tiny cute bucket.
Some people say, and it's justover one hundred bucks. Fourteen hundred rounds
just right there and they go quickly. They're so much fun. They're fun,
fun, fun, fun fun.And so JC talk about it from
now you. I mean there's leadround, noose, there's hollow points,
and these media there's that you havein front of yet the velocities go the

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target target. I think RWs,I think makes the slowest of the target
rounds you want to have just asconsistency. I think there's a round five
hundred and seventy feet per second,some other target rounds go up. What
they did find was one of thehigh velocity ones. What defects the accuracy,
they said the most is when itgoes from from uh the high velocity

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breaking the sound barrier down to subsonic. They said that transition seems to throw
stuff off. But the twenty twois good for up to on a good
shooter and a good gun one hundredand fifty yard and takes some small game.
But they're really at their at theirpeak in the fifty two. And
the velocities they have again from thisfive seventy. This one is the highest

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that I've seen. And you showedme this the other day. This is
called the CCI meat eater. Okay, this is not for vegans um.
It is a copper twenty two,a copper twenty two, and it's a
copper polymer and twenty one grains eighteenhundred and fifty feet per second. The

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highest I remember you before that Isaw sixteen hundred velocity just once in passing.
But the fourteen seventy that Aguila had, I thought fourteen hundred and seventy
feet per second eighteen hundred and fiftyfeet per second out of the CCI meat
eater and GC I mean not forvegans not known for having in the stopping

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power. But we always say hereif you are looking for something for protection
and maybe your sensitive to riquo,to this sound, I would much rather
have someone be accurate and be ableto put five ten rounds on their target
with the twenty two, then carrysomething that's too big for them and they're
lucky. They might they might getone shot on target with a nine or

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something, so there's something to beset for it. At a very very
short roommate in college, he hada Ruger, the standard twenty two,
and we were arguing about this orthat, this was that, this was
that. So we went to therange. You know, I had my
forty five because i'd a forty fiveguy, A young man with the forty
five, you know, fired tofirst shot. I went to get on
the second shot. My first shotwas very good, but he just went

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up and went and emptied ten rounds. Into the guys between his nose and
his eyes and to go there,you know what can you be done?
Right? And I was like wow, So you know they are and they've
been used in self defense. Imean people don't think of it a self
defense. The military has been usingthese in self defense for like ever,
Um the OSS used them, theBritish Special Forces used them a long range

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bomber cruise. Actually they found outthat they used full metal jacket twenty two
and they So it's been used inself defense for ever in Vietnam to still
being used to this day. Yes, Je, you talk about you know,
having septhing, uh more than isbetter than having nothing at all.

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One of the ones, my littleone of my favorite ones, this little
North American. What Chuck, that'sone of my favorite this little North American
arms Danner, Chuck. How bigis that? Looks like you should get
it with Barbie's beach house. Imean that's look how tiny that is,
Chuck? Yes, I see that. Yeah, twenty two short and GC

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this is I mean, I justtold you I found theself because I did
not know this, but I waslooking up and the new high velocity twenty
two short with a lighter bullet.Now grant was out of a rifle,
but they were getting over twelve hundredand fifteen feet per second out of a
twenty two short high velocity bullet.So in this it would lose some maybe

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a couple of hundred, but you'dstill be probably getting undy to one thousand
feet per second out of this littlething. And it goes anywhere. Where
is a necklace. I mean,look at that. It's got a little
Yeah, and the CB caps aregreat, great as well, I mean
just the just the pund in thehouse. Yeah, and j C.

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The rumor has it you have inyour speedos is what you carry one of
these rights twenty too long way forwards? It it's a twenty long. Yeah.
I have a couple of them,and you know where the baggy cargoes
one pants like everybody has but figureout kayaking in places like not where all
the people are, but out inthe woods. Got to have something.
And I swim with it and it'snever failed to fire when I pull it

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out, and I shoot every timeclean it reloaded again. But I guess
that this is this is if you'regoing to use it for is just scaring
somebody in this room, isn't it. Yeah, if you are, if
you are really thinking about it asa backup gun for self defense, probably
in the first choice. But thisis this is kind of big news from
twenty twenty two. I knew abouthim, but I didn't realize that.

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Now two ammunition manufacturers, Federal andWinchester are introducing twenty two long rifle cartridge
specifically design for self defense. Sothat is their purpose. Yeah, I
saw one of my friends out theregoing up and I did the same thing.
And Federal Punch. The twenty twois designed to meet the FBI standards
of twelve of twelve inches of penetrationin ballistic gelatin from a short barreled rifle.

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These were all with barrels two inchesor less. Okay, that's what
they were looking that's when they designedthis. So instead of a standard twenty
two lubricated lead bullet on the outside, the Punch cartridge has a nickel jacket
over lead core and as a flatnose. Winchester is the other company.
They came out with a silver tipself defense round that uses the plated segmented

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hollow point, weighs thirty seven grains, slows it down a little bit.
The bullet is designed to break intofour pieces upon impact. Three pedals break
out, including initial wound canal,while the base continues to penetrate. And
these are all have been tested.These are specifically for self defense. Actually,

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the Federal they claimed about ten seventyfeet per second, but they tested
it and came out to round twelvehundred feet per second out of a inch
and a half inch and seven eightbarrel these or so if you're looking forward
for self defense, we have them. Yeah, Winchester Silvertip and the Federal
Punch. There you go, guys, thanks for spending the last hour with

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us. Chuck people, don't don'tcheat your guns up in the air,
don't be stupid. Yeah, that'sridiculous. Ammunition goes up, it comes
back down, could hurt somebody,don't. There you go, guys,
be safe this week, have awonderful Independence Day. Be careful if you're
out there at Red Whiton that fourthand as always, guys, let's be
careful out there.