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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Twenty twenty five, by many accounts, has started off not
so good. Terror attacks, suicide bombers, and attacks on officers.
Now more than ever, stay vigilant, have a plan, and
be prepared on target starts now, Good afternoon, Welcome to
do on target War broadcasting from the cold studios of
LAPD Firearms Range and Training Facility, located at nine ninet
(00:23):
nine Bethel Road, just off of three point fifteen if
you have never been here, guys, good to see everyone.
Good to see everyone, JC, Good to be guys. You
know what today is?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
By the way, Happy new year, New year of our
crowd out there, all right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All right, So I got to start off guys. You
know what today is?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Today is Saturday. It is the first Saturday of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It is, and it also happens to be my anniversary anniversary.
Yeah well yes, now, yes, which anniversary show my wedding anniversary. Yes,
so for twenty eight years she tolerated me. Now, now
the thing is with that, like on paper is twenty
eight years, but whenever she talks about it, it's like
(01:07):
forty two years. So I think it's like that whole
dog life thing. I think it's I think each year
is taken a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Off would come into double.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, it's not quite double, but it's yeah. There was
some factor there though. So now, yep, at our anniversary and.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Congratulations, you haven't gone to hacks Off for that chain
and ball yet.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Nope, I ain't going nowhere and she kicks me out.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So he is wearing an ankle.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Breshles his anniversary, but he's going skiing after this.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's the gift that keeps on giving for everyone. So, guys,
we are the owners of LAPD Firearms Range and training
facility and our active in law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But for one hour on Saturdays, we.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Guys, you know it was two hours last Saturday.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I was here, well I was Yeah, I couldn't talk
last week, but I was listening to the show, which
was a very good show.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You guys did agree, And you know what, I hate
to say it, I mean, I mean, I'm super glad
Ron Wilson is feeling better, but there's a little part
of me wishing he would just like take one more
week off because we did.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think we did good last weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
We did, we did, it really flowed nicely. It's a
great time frame.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So we had some great guests on Yep, we did.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We did, good guys.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
We always like to talk about new products in the market,
training tips, and political topics, but our goal has always
been to bring facts about our industry, help listeners and customers.
Was safe, responsible ownership of firearms. We like to thank
a slew of people who joined us last week. Of
course Ed and I were here. We had my buddy
Richie call in, our good friend Brian Steele from FOP
Lives nine, Tyvis Pal called in last week. That was
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that was a little bit of a different, different call
for us. Uh and of course Jake came up here
and did a great job.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Picked about it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So yeah, we definitely have some news to get to
because JC, we didn't with you gone last week, We
didn't hit the news like the couple did a couple
of weeks now, and I know it out there and
we actually have a gun in the week we're going
to get to.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
We've been teasing it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's actually here in the store now, so it's something
that if you're out there reading any of the publications,
you've probably read about it, but it is here now.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're going to get to that shortly. Then at twelve thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
We got two neat things coming at twelve thirty one
kind of fun things.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We're going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Rock Island Auction House is one of the big most
well respected auction houses. They put out their top ten
list of the most I think expensive.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Firearms they sold last year.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Some of these you're like, I look at my collection,
I think, oh, I have a couple of nice firearms,
and you look at this and you're like, oh, jeez,
I'm not in the ballpark.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Right, So we're going to talk about that, and then
we're also going to talk about we always talk about
this time of year what our numbers looked like last
year at LAPD. So we're all talking about, oh, you know,
the six hours a popular gun, But what did we
actually sell? And so we put all those numbers together,
what was the most popular caliber, which ones went up
and down the brands, what was rented the most, all
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that good stuff. We're going to on that too at
twelve thirty. Let's see what else I would like to
think our sponsors got to do that US Last Shield
saw them here today. Jackson, Egress Windows, Black Wing Shooting Center,
River's Edge Culery and Coursena's engraving all make the show
possible each week. Joining me today, I got big ed
to my right. I'm a little bit mad about it,
(04:20):
you know. So I'm a part of your Christmas gift.
I hear nothing. I have to pry it out of you.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Ed. What would you get for Christmas?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I told you I got a brand new baby granddaughter.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And that's the best thing. What was your second favorite?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I got the brand new Smith and Weston two point
oh three eighty.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
You got one?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, that is one. That's a really, really incredible gun.
They've really had a home run with that one.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yep, JC is to my left. Good seeing you back
from being the couple days but virus. I couldn't even
talk for about four days. Sore throat for.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Your wife was really happy about that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, she got them too, so she wasn't happy at
all about that week.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I meant to not talking.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, we didn't talk to each other four days.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Also, like, yeah, guys, if you missed a show, you
can always catch the podcast that's at six to ten
WTV in dot com. We're on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, speaker,
every place out there where the podcasts are. We should
be out there Facebook and YouTube as well. Ed is
answering what are you on YouTube today or Facebook? Book?
You're on Facebook, great, you can go out there and
check that out as well.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
JC. What do you got going on?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh, we got Newsweiser's a lot of stuff that we
need to catch up on. But I'll say I want
to wish a happy New Year to Buckeye Firearms Association,
and if you aren't a member and you live in Ohio,
you should join because they are you know. That's what
they do day long is work with legislator to try
to get some bills passed. And I just want to
give kudoos. I know, you know, Steve LUs called me
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left message this morning to remind me that last month
they passed two great bills for Ohio. One was amended
Senate Bill fifty eight and went to Governor Wine's desk.
What that legislation would do is it prohibits requiring firearms
liability insurance. A lot of the states have been attacking
firearms by saying, Okay, if you own one, you're going
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to have to pay liability insurance or what another insurance
just for each gun that you own. So anyway, this
bill would prohibit that as well as paying a fee
for just for the possession of a firearm, part of
firearm components, ammunition, or even a knife. Some of these states,
these woke states, are trying to attack any kind of
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ownership of any kind of firearm, knife, anything anyway. And
also they give them kudos for passing Senate Bill one
forty eight. I mean, they really worked hard on this
and that prohibits the financial institutions from tracking firearms purchases
in prohibit government entities from maintaining a registry of firearms
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or firearms owners in the state of Ohio. So that's
really good because I think we've talked to that the
MCC code CMC is that that get passing.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Is that was that part of this last stuff with the.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Governor the governors if he has assigned it yet he will,
I mean, this is that's going to happen. So this
happened at the end of last month. The thieves went through.
So uh, it is huge because of eight of the states.
Right now, if you go to any of the stores
that will sell firearms, they're going to have a list
of you. You don't have a list of necessarily what
you want, but you go to the store. You go
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to Cabela's, buy a fight fishing ride. I don't care
they sell firearms. You're going to be on the list.
We're gonna know who you are, what your address is,
where you are. Eight of the states have done that
so far with the cooperation of of the financial institutions.
And this bill would would prevent that from happening. And
and also the egregious of uhness of having like in California, Oh,
you want to fire me because he'll carry You're gonna
have to carry liability insurance in addition to special firearms
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liability insurance. You can't say, well, I'm grand you know
I've got my umbrella policy. No, sorry, this is something
special and it's going to cost you so anyway, So
hats off to h Buckeye Firearms.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's those guys do so much, so much that sometimes
we just don't realize or don't talk about it enough.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I saw something the other day.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I stumbled upon it, and I don't know what the
origins are, and it's only a couple of years old.
There was actually an o RC law or a statue
out there that talks about if a firearm is used
in the commission of a crime or otherwise somebody is
hurt by one in Ohio. They can't go back and
see the manufacture and or the gun store, which I
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never knew that was out there. Well, I'm want to
look it into that a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Of it stuff, But it was I would read it.
I happen to stumble upon it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I was looking up something else and I thought, wow,
that is that's great. I didn't know that, And it
wouldn't surprise me if Buckeye Firearms was a part.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Of that, part of every single gun legislation that's that's
out there. They're doing they I mean, that is their job.
That's what they do, and they're great, great at it.
And speaking of that, someone who's caused us a lot
of problems under the Biden administration has been Ohio's own unfortunately,
ve Deelback, who they made the director of the ATF,
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and he has officially sent his resignation letter in Sorry,
we still have to put up with him for another
fourteen days, two weeks, but he is officially going as
a director, so we'll be directorless for what two days?
But once the new president elect, Donald Trump comes in,
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certain that things are going to change and what Dontleback
has been done. What has what he has done is
just been a puppet for whatever the administration wants and
causing grief. They have revoked more FFLs and the history
over things like gee, you didn't put a period at
the end of the sentence, didn't cross the tea dot
and I. They scrutinize everything, even ones that have passed
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before that by the ATF. When they do examinations, which
they do examinations of all the FFLs, even if you
pass before, they'll go back and look at records and
scan them again and look at him, going, oh, we
should have taken your f for this. And these are
minor things, not like selling guns uh you know, uh,
you know under the table, or not keeping correct records,
(10:08):
uh the whole document you have one transposed number, all
the rest of right, but one of them repeated is
transposed and you lose your license anyway. That and then
hopefully what they want to go for is anyone selling
a used gun at a gun show. They want to
make them have an f f L. I'm in an
f FL to go to a show and say, hey,
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I got my grandfather's gun. To want anymore. I want
to sell it, but you need to have a firearms
license and they haven't started enforcing this yet, they don't
have the staff. But anyway, he's the he's the one
who's been put in charge of finding all the different ways.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So that's because hardship.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, we're going to have a new president now, and
it's it's it's it's their interpretation of the Bipartisan Safety
Gun Act, where they changed one word which involved making
a living, making a problem, making a living, they got
making a living and making a profit. So you're good.
This gun costs six box, you know, in nineteen twenty
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or something. You sell it for two hundred and you
need an FFL. So anyway, how.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
About we just get someone who is previously owned a firearm.
I mean, I'd be happy with that. I mean, that's
like having a Secretary of Transportation who's never had a
driver's license.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I mean, we have that now, don't we. I don't
know who's that guy now, but he was a mayor.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
But who knows papa driver's license?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I don't know, but it's the same.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
The director of the ATF, by his own admission, has
never owned a gun.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and another good thing in a flaro Ohio might
as well. We're on the Ohio track. The they're having,
of course, the Shot Show's coming up, and at the
Shot Show this year as league over last year. Boy,
I would love to go to that. But they're looking
for attorney generals to come in and talk about the
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gun issues across the states and the nation, and once again,
our own Attorney General, Dave Yost is going to be
one of the ones that is going to be attending
the Attorney General's forum at the Shot Show coming up,
and not all of the attorney generals doing that, So
hats off to date, he's very much Second Amendment, very
pro gun, good friend of the show, a good friend
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of Ohio, good friend of gun hunter.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
So it's going to be our next governor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well take a look at that. We'll see what's going
on there. That would that would He's a he's a
good guy anyway. So that's Ohio news. Around the there's
there's some things happening around the nation are kind of interesting,
not the nation, outside of the nation, around the world,
and one of them I think is pretty interesting is
that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is now leading to firearms
training in their countries. Turns out that because of Russia's
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imperialism and expansion, Finland shares a border with them, and
they just had, you know, we better strength than our
our civilians here. So they're encouraging civilians to uh to
go to ranges. In matter of fact, they were adding
three hundred new shooting ranges, bringing their total up to
about one thousand shooting ranges. And they want this to
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be the new pastime for the civilians in Finland. It's like, hey,
let's get out there, because we need to be able
to defend ourselves. So and this was spurred on by
the fact that they joined NATO, whether the thirty first
nation to join NATO. They joined last year and also
Sweden saw that and said, hey, us too, So in
March Sweden became a member of NATO. So they announced
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they both plan on on increasing their defenses. And I
love this one, Pauland they introduced mandatory firearms training for
school children, both in primary school and in secondary schools.
And in primary schools they're going to teach the gun safety,
but it's mandatory for all of their students to be
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able to take apart a firearm assemble the firearm and
to shoot, and they're shooting real firearms but with laser cartridges.
So these are taking place in their gyms, but mandatory
for all our eighteen thousand schools. I think that's something
gun safety I think should be taught in all of
our schools.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So, yep, you got one more short one in there, JC.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
This is yeah, I'm going to combine this to two
things that happened. The federal courts again toss out a
band of a felony preventing someone from owning a firearm
based on something that was nonviolent. He lied on a
conviction for food stamps. He'd already peeled it and and one,
but the state Garland actually took it up again. But
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they just said that, honestly, that if you have a
felony and it wasn't for violent things, you can own
a firearm. Mean, why this is so important that this
would strike down the nation's most commonly enforced federal gun
control law is of being a felon and having a firearm.
And then another one that that actually is into this.
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The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals added a new wrinkle
because there was a guy who, uh did he said, Okay,
I have a non violent felony and I want a gun.
But they took a look in the muddy of the water.
They said, no, we should consider you're misdemeanors. And because
he had violent misdemeanors, they said, yeah, you may not
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have a violent felony charge, but you have misdemeanor charges.
And they said he had no right to order.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Wow, it's gonna it's gonna need to shake out this year.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Let's jump to a break.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
When we come back, We're talk about a gun of
the week that is getting a ton of attention and
it's right here with us. We're on Talking aout badcasting
live from the studios of l EPD Firearms Deranged.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
We'll be back right after the break ed.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You know you can get a hold of l and
play a song that's pertinent to the day.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Oh, I didn't know that. No. One doesn't usually talk
to me, so it's.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
She takes requests and she has about half of the
ones they asked for.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
But that's okay, welcome back to on Talking.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I'm your hysteric jointed in the la at the studios.
I got big ed to my right. JC is to
my left Paul. Paul is probably in his car now
and we have, guys, we have a large studio audience.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
It must be nothing else to do. Look at that
welcome all. Look at that way to start the new year.
Clear back to the door.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
J C.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Again of the week we've been talking about for a
couple of weeks now. That is getting a ton of attention.
Matter of fact, we had two or three people on
the list for these even before we got them. And
it's kind of neat to see this manufacturer obviously one
of the oldest manufacturers in the country and stuff, and
it's kind of neat to see that they still have
some innovation, and this one is certainly innovative.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
GC. What do you got today?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
This is the new uh are the Ruger r x
M and that what's our XM, Well, it's basically should
be our plus M because it's it's Ruger Company has
teamed up with Magpole and to create a firearm, which
of course all the Glock affection it's just another Glock
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clone and they'd be correct, it is. But Glock's got
some great things, but doesn't mean they don't need some improvement.
And Ruger has teamed up and basically has done that.
It's getting a lot of kudoos from people who just
aren't if it's not a glock, it's not anything kind
of people. But it's really made some improvements. So the
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Ruger what makes us so unusual basically Sick does the
same thing, but the serialized part is the fire control system,
which is inside and you can pop that out and
if you want a different frame, different color, different lake, longer,
different or anything, they can. Magpole, which is just incredible
at making the plastic fantastic accessories. Probably going to cough here,
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excuse me, Okay, I'm back, yep. So they could, they
could make it into a carbing configuration river, but you
just have one piece it's registered, and that is the
fire control system. It pops out and there you go.
So they've taken it and put it into the very
popular Ruger framework, but they've done some things that have
been really that it just does not standard on the blocks.
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They've built the magazine well, which obviously Megpole could do.
That makes it easier to insert magazines. They dropped very freely.
They've already included the undercut. One of the most common
things that people do with their Ruger is to get
a higher grip, is to cut away underneath the underneath
the trigger guard. They've already done that automatically. They've reconfigured
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the mag release and it's just it's much easier to hit.
I've tried it on my Block nineteen. This happens to
be about exact the same size as the nineteen. They're
forward basically cuts on the on the slide. They're really
good at they're they're very firm. I just I find
it better than even the the glocks that have that
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to keep your finger in place a little more than
have been indentations. They've got when you're when you're gripping
your gun, that's the way the grip should be. And
on either side it's got a place to put your finger.
The sites are great, they're low, they're much better than
the standard block sites in my opinion. Plus they come
automatically with a tritium site with a white ring around it,
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with green tritium site, and every one of them is
cut for optics. And their version of the object is
you don't have to get different plates for different sizes.
They're already cut. They meant meat three footprints of of
of common sites like RMR and and so it just
saves all that problem of getting different footprints pins that
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fit in there, and it makes it cheaper and better
easier to put on because one of the problems with
places you got to tight these tiny screws. They come
loose so that you don't have that issue anymore with that.
So it's really good. And you can see it's a
very the sight is cut very flat, so you could
actually if you got wounded, you can cock it on
a table on your belt. Anything that comes with that.
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The trigger is actually better than the glock triggers. It's
not perfect, it's got the same kind of glock characteristics,
but it's lighter. Most of the people have been testing
it have been four and a half to five, you
know pounds, where it's always five to six pounds on
the clocks that I've had. And because it's a a
mag pole, it uses it uses glock magazines, but it
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can but it comes with with mag pole magazines they're P. Fifteen's.
It will take P. Seventeens, which are the seventeen round
magazines and any other thing that Glock makes that would fit.
So this is based on when I hang on. This
is based on the Gen three glock. And the reason is,
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you know Coxing Amunt eighty eighty two. Once the patent's expired.
Of course, when patent's expired, you can make something to that. So, uh,
the four the Gen fours and Gen fives have not
expired yet, but the Gen threes have And there's so
many accessories for the glock. Gen three is that's kind
of the heyday. I think for accessories you can get
new you know, triggers. Anything that fits on the glock
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basically will fit on this gun. And uh, what's what's
the funniest Some of the wags out there have said, Uh,
it's it's a ruger and magpole. So they call it
the rug pole.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But it looks sharp, John, I mean it is, and
I hope it's one of these ones. I mean a
lot of times you see this stuff come and go
and next year will be saying.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
What was the ruger? It came out with the magpool.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I hope this one sticks around because it's it's nice.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
They like the grip better. Everyone just said that the
grip is better. The texture that they have. They said,
it's uh, and it's it's over one hundred dollars less
than a glock of the same thing, but it has
with more features. So uh, you know, they're running around
this is like, uh, you know, four thirty nine. Uh,
but they're you know, it's cheaper than a glock with
all the features that it has. Also even has a
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little bit of a h of a beaver tail over
you just to protect your hand a little bit more.
It's they's just got everything. It's tapered.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's it's Johnny's doesn't have backstraps though, correct, I mean,
it doesn't have no.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Okay, So that's that's the deal. So you don't have
to buy a new gun to get that. You can
pull out that when Magpole comes out, which they will.
That's part of the purpose of it, with all the configurations,
maybe smaller grip, maybe this that whatever mag Pole comes
out with, which will be plenty, you just pulled out that.
You stick it right and stick it in and you
can have whichever gun you want without you know, having
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any more attack tex and registration.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's sharp.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's a yeah. That is a good recess. Recess good
you know. I really can't say enough about it. Ruger.
It's a ruger. It's been shooting really really well, when
you look.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
At the groups or fantastic and we have them here
for sale.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So we have the men's stock now I think we
still have a couple uh here at the moment.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Everyone says it's absolutely the best cloned a matter of fact,
many features they just they said, look, it's better than
the standard standard block.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So wow, guys, we're goanna jump to the bottom of
the ironies when we come back, when we talk a
little bit about what we saw right here at l
EPD in twenty twenty four and also going to get
to the top ten transactions for Rock Island Auction House
last year. We're on talking about badcasting live from the
studios of LPD Farms Arrange. We'll be back right after
the break. Welcome back to on talking about me. Here's
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Derek joined today. Jc's back. There is JC sitting to
my left, Big Ed is to my right. Hello, guys.
We always talk about what's popular out there. You know
what caliber bird is popular, what are people coming in
asking for And really you don't know until the year
is done and you can report back on it. And
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so every year about this time, I'd like to look
about what we sold, what was popular, If there's any trends,
and there was nothing. As you know, jac and I
were looking at it before the show. There's nothing that
was huge. But there is still some trends that we're
seeing that are that are of significant. So we'll take
the next couple of minutes and talk about those. Are
you ready for this end?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So let's talk about of all the firearms we sold here,
So this includes ones we sold new and used and
also the ones that got transferred in because that's an
indication of.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
What people were buying.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Obviously, even if we didn't sell it to them directly,
they transferred it in for.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Us to do the background check.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So of all the items we sold, and actually our
numbers were up about twelve percent from the.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Prior year, which is also another indicator.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It was our second approaching our second highest year versus
the riot years and COVID and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But that's good because overall it has not been We've
been an exception.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To the right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Right, So if you look at everything, of course nine
milimeter is king and they it actually the nine millimeter
gun slipped a hair It slipped down about a percentage
point from the prior year, but it's still it still is.
About thirty eight percent of all guns that we sold
were nine milimeters thirty percent. That's a big number.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Number forty five ed.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You'll be happy to know forty five actually had an uptick.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I forge it went.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
From one point six percent the year before to two
point nine almost.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, not quite double, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So there is.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And I don't know what that's attributed to. I don't
know if any new forty fives came out. I don't
know if it's just a.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Specifically saying the forty five is the king.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
It could be. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I love the I hate to say this, I love it,
and I don't know if we can declare it being dead,
but I'll tell you the forties on life support. It
is at one point it was it kind of for
almost ten percent of our sales this last year. It
is down to three percent of all our gun sales
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or forties.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
That surprised me. Never that round.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Twenty two's are up a little bit. Uh, let's see
what other here's something And we saw this a couple
of different places. The twelve gage shotgun is up good,
which is kind of interesting, and that's kind of a good.
It kind of makes me, uh, It kind of makes me, uh,
you know, happy about that to see people are or
getting back acquainted with the shotguns and stuff for self
defense and hunting. Thirty eight special papul you're listening thirty
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eight and three ffty seven. Magnum actually took a big hit.
It was hanging around five and a half percent the
last couple of years. This last year three point seven, wow,
three point seven, So I don't know if that's just people,
you know, the younger crowd getting away from revolvers again
as time goes on, two two three, five five six
stayed about the same, they kind of for just under
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nine percent of all of our sales were two two,
three and five five six. The AK dropped a little
bit as well, only one point five percent of all
of our sales were AK. The one number I didn't
pool here, and it's probably not significant enough. But with
Smith and Weison coming out with a thirty two revolver,
we certainly saw half the crowd has them here.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
We certainly did see enough ticking that eight uh oh,
three eighty.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The three eighty was almost flat, just under five percent
of our sales three eighty, which is still viable. And
what actually what helped that from probably being down is yeah,
as you ed you so those are kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What created did you get?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
You got the new two point h and it's a great, great,
great gun. Yeah, there's some on the store so they
can't keep him in stock.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
There was a Christmas gift for my son.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So if you guys, if you look, then if you
take a step back and instead of looking at calibers,
you look at the type of guns, revolvers versus pistols,
versus shotguns and rifles. How did those numbers end up? Revolvers, unfortunately,
Pap Paul went from just under eight percent of all
of our sales in twenty twenty three to now just
under seven percent, so it just continues to go down.
(27:37):
Interesting enough for us. The Semido pistols went down a
little bit too, only by a point, but it went
from fifty nine actually fifty nine to just under fifty
eight percent of all of our sales. So you might say, geez,
where do they get made up at?
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The shotguns, the shotguns as a whole went from five
point eight percent of all of our sales to seven percent.
So I don't know what that is. I don't know
if there's anything. I mean a case she's been out for.
I don't know what that uptick was, but it certainly
wait to.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Figure that one out is find out which models.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, and we can do that. We can go back
and look at that. The rifles down actually a hair
as well, so you just it's negligible, but it's nonetheless
was down suppressors. I think is up. I haven't I
didn't get to pull it for prior years, but that's up.
And certainly with the ATF now approving these things within
forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
From eleven months to forty eight hours.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, that's that's it makes you wonder.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So guys, so out of all the manufacturers we sold
or transferred in here, what do you think is the
number one brand that we sell here at l EPD
Firearms and Range.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Maybe I'd say Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well, for the probably the eleventh year in a row,
the Smith and Wesson is the most popular brand. And
you know what, they were at fifteen point five percent,
actually taking some of the some of the market share
away from glock. We went from thirteen point two percent
of our gun sales being glocks to ten point five
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and I think that's because Smith and Wesson is innovating.
I mean they came out with the rifles. This year,
they got the bodyguard three eighty. This year, they got
the five to seven in the glock. What do they have?
I got the glock nineteen with the seventeen slide, and
I got the seventeen with the nineteen frame, and it's
it's the same.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You lay them down from eighty two on up. Yeah,
you can see some different, but it's still he still
looks the same, and there's not any innovation.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And it's got a lot to do with the slogan
that's out there. I mean it's still you know, you
don't think us three are going to let you out
of you walk out of here, do you?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Well, who's us three mean? Smith and Wesson?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right well? And the other thing is as an instructor,
Smith and Wesson's fit a lot more. Yean, it'll it'll
fit any hand that holds a glock, plus any of
the And it's so easy to change out the four
different grips on the on the point two is now
not soe not on the three eighty.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But as far as the grip changing.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
When I'm up there, I can get a guy with
him hands and I go put an extra large on it,
and within ten seconds the gun is back in for
an extra small for the lady.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's what it.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So, it's so easy to change them. They're incredibly You look.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
At the Block forty two and three eighty versus the
Smith bodyguard. Now, I mean the body's what's the forty
two old six or seven rounds and the Smith ten
or yeah, So it's crazy. I mean they're not in
the the and I don't know the model number, but
the Glock twenty six that is in three eighty now
I forget the model number on that, the twenty eight
twenty eight it is. I saw them on clearance with
(30:37):
distributors this week. I don't know if we've ever sold one,
you know. So they weren't available in United stations. They
didn't get that following right off the bat. They were
only available in Europe for some reason. Then they started
coming on here. But there's so many other great I
know he's here, so.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Other things a significance.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The cel Tech went from one point nine to two
point nine with us keel Tech used to be almost
five percent of our sales. When we opened up. We
had a lot of things going, and KL Tech is
those things solid. I mean they're still with their KSG
seven for.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
The money you really yeah that they're just excellent, excellent
design fire.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Outside of that, every thing is pretty much the same.
The SIGs. The SIG went up, lets see, uh sig
went up, actually went down a point, So I don't
know if that's the three twenties falling off. FN was
even even so, we're just under three percent of our
sales were fins. I mean, quickly through this guy's caliberd's
(31:31):
rented as you can expect, the nine milimeters the king
sixty one percent of all the guns we rented this
last year were nine milimeter from everyone else, she's the
thirty eight was down, the forty was down to one
percent of all the guns around. Mean we should take
them off the rains, I mean one percent of all
guns rented forty up there right now. The two two, three,
(31:53):
five six to get rint a lot to accounted for
just under eight percent of all the guns rented. AMO
sold kind of follows the gun sold, but there was
some significant differences here. The nine millimeter actually went up
to fifty five percent of all AMMO sold. Here, fifty
five percent of all AM sold. This is defense and
range were nine milimeter forty five went down a little
(32:14):
bit dead sorry, down to four percent out there. For me,
twelve gauge went from four point eight to seven point
three percent of all AM sold. So there was definitely
something going on with the twelve gage. Ten milimeter went
up a hair everything else was pretty much flat.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Two two, three, five, five six actually.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Went down a hair too, and that can be sicklic
to what people are feeling out there and whether they
need to buy BULKMO and stuff. Last thing, guys, defensive AMMO.
We talk about that a lot. You know what's the
best defensive AMMO out there? Well, by brand, you can
you can start to see where people's minds are. Last year,
forty four percent of what we sold were horna days.
(32:54):
So the critical defense cquirtical duty has a great following.
That actually has dropped now to thirty nine percent. And
what has come up are the federal So that's the
federal HSPHS two.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I think that that would be Mike.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, So they're getting closer and closer thirty nine percent
for thirty four percent for federal spear, which I think
is also a federal product three percent, Winchester four percent,
Remington negligible to a couple percent in the SIG. You know,
the SIGs are good rounds. The only account for three
percent of what we sold. The problem is they're so
darn expensive. I mean, I don't know if they're not. I
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don't think you can justify paying the extra money. I
don't know what you're getting more for that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Since you brought up SIG, John, I know you're one
that keeps up on all this. Is there anything in
the future. Have you heard any in the future where
SIG is going to do a recall on three twenty?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh, they're a buy back program.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Sometimes they have to must have accountants or someplace going okay,
if we do this, this is how much it's going
to cost us. But we have to have a plan
to fix it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So why not get rid of it? I mean they
can't apparently.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I didn't like it from the the first one we
got in. I went I just I thought that, you know,
and then once soon I saw the drop tests, which
you know, and this is what's happened. I mean, so
the lawsuits have got to be well, that's what I mean,
that they're gonna happen with do something something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It just solve that lawsuit problemly to get them off
the market, and.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
The perception of it, it's almost that they need to
come out with a knew you know, the three twenty
one and just that right something.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean, they don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
How they're going to redesign it. The military doesn't have
the problem is much because they have safeties on theirs.
They mandated safety, so all the rest of them, you know,
you don't see a safety on them, and they mandated those,
so I guess when they do drop, at least the
manual safety keeps them from going off. But they've had
issues in the military too, so you know.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I don't know, you hate to see that seeing anything
on the news.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
There's been nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
No, I mean, I would follow that, but this last
eleven million dollars and then there's another one another one
that well they have almost close to two hundred I
think lawsuits, and these involved police and walking down there,
coming downstairs, your gun, your holeshter goes off and shoot
you in the leg, and you know it's just who
what I mean, there's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Stuff out there. I just don't understand why they just yeah,
pull it on the name and not try and fight,
and that's exactly how it's running their name.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yep. Guys, one last thing before we go into break.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You talk about new products, and this is something that's
it's really nothing that big and stuff, but people were
asking for it, and you talked about the bag poor earlier.
This is Have you seen the new tamag there? The
tag it is uh and I shouldn't have this better,
but it is basically a p mag that is clear
now translucent so you can see your AMO in there.
Tarent transparent.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So there was a lot of people asking for and
we do have them in stock now, so that's the
thing you've been hunting for. We have them here with
the other p mags. Guys, that jump to a break
and we come back and we'll talk about Rock Island
Auction House, one of the neatest auction houses out there.
Never gone out there just to check it out. They
just released their top ten octions from last year and
I probably want nine of them there JC.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
But yeah, I think I had a little bit more
than that. What I like, just the top ten that
was in sales price and several sold at the same price,
so they have three that all sold of the right,
the other two here, another three there I went to
I thought there were ten firearms. Turns out there's about
twenty that in the top.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Ten price, some historical significantly some of this too. So guys,
we'll get to that right after the break mayby C
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Speaker 3 (36:35):
I need Marshall to do the weather.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Maybe they're tea clouds, translucent clouds. Maybe cloud it's clear, but.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Skies early increasing clouds.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Okay, I guess I guess the clear skies are early
and then it's increasing clouds.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Next thing, I only need a green screen JC crime
any But we can just listen to music the rest
of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
ED right works.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Oh this is good.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
This a great song.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
See that's why Ella is an old soul. Wow, welcome
back to on target. I mean, here's Eric joined today.
I got big EDD to my right, I got little
JC to my left. JC rock Island auction House. Is
there is some super neat stuff out there. I like
this story. Is the Premier.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It is auction house and and well just for example,
for the fourth year in a row now they've auctioned
off over one hundred million dollars and guns.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
For the fourth year in a row.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
So when I say premiere, I mean, you know it's
the Rolls Royce kind of a house. I can probably
go even better than a Rolls in it.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I think to me, is you don't realize at least
I don't realize some of the stuff that's out there.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh it's run through a she ran through some last week?
Did hit me?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Just these these historical ones? Well all right, so here
are the top ten and this is in money sales.
Number one you missed your shot at this one, but
no unintended. But their number one sale was for a
wheel lock from the French King Louis the thirteenth, who
was legendary for his gun collection. So he was he
(38:13):
was born in sixteen oh one, so he wasn't buying
any glocks back then, but he was he as a
as the king of France. You know, he wanted the
best of everything. So they sold one of his guns.
A breathtaking as they say, wheel lock was in bell
You have to look it up online get Rock Island
armory Ria, look up their top ten just to see
(38:34):
the pictures of this, and all of them have a video.
But it had embellish, was scrolling mythical beasts, classical nudes. Hope,
they had a lot of those bejeweled from stock to
muzzle and the trigger plate has pierced panels with engraved borders,
scarlet technol backing. This is just it is absolutely full,
over five feet long, and it's just gorgeous. And it
went for eight hundred and eighty one thousand and two
(38:57):
hundred and fifty bucks. That doesn't include the pre fee
you have to pay, you know, to even get that.
So ey, Yeah, but this one I love. I wish
I could have had this gun. I just love this gun.
So the gun that won the West, A lot of
people think, ah, it's the old Colt forty five. No,
it wasn't. It wasn't that. The gun that won the
West was maybe even before the Colt forty five, the
Winchester Model seventy three. Have you ever seen the Jim
(39:19):
Jimmy Stewart Winchester seventy three. It was the gun that
won the West. It was in that forty four of
the Winchester was a forty four to forty. This one
was an exceptionally documented This was a one of one thousand,
So Winchester only did fifty seven of these. They tested
a thousand guns that they produced in Row and the
one that had the most exceptional accuracy is the one
(39:41):
that was designated right on their one of one thousand.
They did fifty seven of those. This is one of those.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
It was.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's been featured in several books and factory letter and
and it was announced in their catalog and the picture
of this book so has all that prominence. So it
went for five hundred and twenty eight thousand, seven and
fifty bucks for that Winchester. Wow. This one went for
exactly the same price at five twenty eight seven fifty
(40:08):
and this was a tie with that for money. But
it was Pat Garrett, the sheriff who killed Billy the kid,
so this was a gun that was presented to him.
It was a cult thunderer, so it wasn't a single action.
This was a double action. One of the first double
action guns that were out there. And so this gun
(40:31):
was featured in several books and guns and Ammo even
did a book Guns and the gun fighters featuring this one.
It's engraved, gold plated, engraved and presented to him with
his name on the bottom of it. And it also
went for that of five hundred and twenty eight seven
hundred and fifty. But if you couldn't afford that, they
had his badge and solid gold that went for two
(40:51):
hundred and thirty five thousand dollars. If you could before
the gun, you could buy his badge, which was pretty impressive.
Another one that I really this was unusual because this
is much more modern, and they happened to sell two
of them, not at the same time, but during the
year two of them came available, and there's only eleven
transferable ones of these, and they're just they had a
(41:14):
brand new for brief National FN Model two forty machine guns,
and so this was these were actually they took kind
of the the uh best of of the the German
MG forty two in World War Two and then what
in the American bar and they kind of came up
with this two forty. But there's only eleven that are
(41:36):
transferable in the United States, and they sold two of
them and fully outfitted with everything, and it just looked
they're fantastic looking. They each went for two hundred or
five one hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars, so I
don't know if someone bought the pair, but they were
sold at different times a couple of them that were
just really kind of neat that I liked that one
(41:58):
of the one I thought was the most beautiful. So
you really look at this. It was a La Page
double barrel shotgun for the President of Mexico. Now this
is completed in eighteen sixty, so right one of the
civil all overstarting. This gun was made that shows you
where we are. But just looking at it, it's like
I said, it's a work of art. Double bear's shotgun,
(42:19):
carved ebony stock. But the relief, like for example, the hammer,
it's a double barrel, is a it just looks like
a hound. It's a fox hound in complete detail. So
when you poet and it falls down, it falls on
a fox's web, which is right next to where the
nipple would be, and it's just incredible. It was featured
(42:41):
in a museum for many, many, many many years, but
it sold for four hundred and forty grand and a
couple of the other one. This I have to tell
you about this one because it's a gun, but it's
attached to something. This was down the list a little bit,
but someone had a World War two M three, a
one Stuart light tank, and they said, most of these
(43:02):
are just a museum, none of them are really around.
But this one is drivable onnable, you can wash it go.
It's completely armed with it. So it has to be
transferable because it has a tank gun on it. But
it was made by American Car and Foundry Company, and
they called this the This tank was nicknamed the Honey
due to its absolutely smooth ride, and they delivered them
(43:23):
to the British and the Soviet forces during the little
Lease program.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But it was out there and you could I could
be had for.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Three hundred and twenty three thousand dollars. Put money together
on this. And here's one that is also would be near.
And dear, do I think most of our hearts here.
This one surprised the auction house because they estimated the
price at ninety thousand dollars and end up selling for
three hundred and fifty two thousand dollars. And this one,
(43:51):
you know, hammered it over four times the prices, they said,
and exceptionally rare. This was a precursor to the Colt
Model nineteen eleven. This was the model nineteen o seven
that Samuel Colt came up with, and they said it
was nearly like the last stop to Colts nineteen eleven.
The nineteen ten was truly the last stop anyway. This
was the first gun chambered for the forty five ACP
(44:14):
and it was one of only two hundred pistols made
for tests to see if the Army field tests will
like it, and they pulled it out to redo it
through the to nineteen ten, then the nineteen eleven. But
this is the precursor, and boy, that would be a
nice good It looks, it looks brand new, It looks
fabulous good stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Jac you out there and see the list for yourself.
Rock Island Auction House really a neat place to go, guys.
Thanks for spending the last hour with us and starting
off the new year. We are gonna have all kinds
of neat things coming in the upcoming weeks. But as always,
stay safe out there, be careful, stay vigilant, and let's
be careful out there, guys,
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know what today is?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
By the way, Happy new year, New year of our
crowd out there, all right, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
All right, So I got to start off guys. You
know what today is?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Today is Saturday. It is the first Saturday of twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
It is, and it also happens to be my anniversary anniversary.
Yeah well yes, now, yes, which anniversary show my wedding anniversary. Yes,
so for twenty eight years she tolerated me. Now, now
the thing is with that, like on paper is twenty
eight years, but whenever she talks about it, it's like
(01:07):
forty two years. So I think it's like that whole
dog life thing. I think it's I think each year
is taken a little bit.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Off would come into double.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Yeah, it's not quite double, but it's yeah. There was
some factor there though. So now, yep, at our anniversary and.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
Congratulations, you haven't gone to hacks Off for that chain
and ball yet.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Nope, I ain't going nowhere and she kicks me out.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
So he is wearing an ankle.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
Breshles his anniversary, but he's going skiing after this.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
It's the gift that keeps on giving for everyone. So, guys,
we are the owners of LAPD Firearms Range and training
facility and our active in law enforcement.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
But for one hour on Saturdays, we.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Guys, you know it was two hours last Saturday.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I was here, well I was Yeah, I couldn't talk
last week, but I was listening to the show, which
was a very good show.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
You guys did agree, And you know what, I hate
to say it, I mean, I mean, I'm super glad
Ron Wilson is feeling better, but there's a little part
of me wishing he would just like take one more
week off because we did.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
I think we did good last weekend.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
We did, we did, it really flowed nicely. It's a
great time frame.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
So we had some great guests on Yep, we did.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
We did, good guys.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
We always like to talk about new products in the market,
training tips, and political topics, but our goal has always
been to bring facts about our industry, help listeners and customers.
Was safe, responsible ownership of firearms. We like to thank
a slew of people who joined us last week. Of
course Ed and I were here. We had my buddy
Richie call in, our good friend Brian Steele from FOP
Lives nine, Tyvis Pal called in last week. That was
(02:41):
that was a little bit of a different, different call
for us. Uh and of course Jake came up here
and did a great job.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Picked about it.
Speaker 1 (02:48):
So yeah, we definitely have some news to get to
because JC, we didn't with you gone last week, We
didn't hit the news like the couple did a couple
of weeks now, and I know it out there and
we actually have a gun in the week we're going
to get to.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
We've been teasing it.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
It's actually here in the store now, so it's something
that if you're out there reading any of the publications,
you've probably read about it, but it is here now.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
We're going to get to that shortly. Then at twelve thirty.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
We got two neat things coming at twelve thirty one
kind of fun things.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
We're going to talk about.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Rock Island Auction House is one of the big most
well respected auction houses. They put out their top ten
list of the most I think expensive.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
Firearms they sold last year.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Some of these you're like, I look at my collection,
I think, oh, I have a couple of nice firearms,
and you look at this and you're like, oh, jeez,
I'm not in the ballpark.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Right, So we're going to talk about that, and then
we're also going to talk about we always talk about
this time of year what our numbers looked like last
year at LAPD. So we're all talking about, oh, you know,
the six hours a popular gun, But what did we
actually sell? And so we put all those numbers together,
what was the most popular caliber, which ones went up
and down the brands, what was rented the most, all
(03:58):
that good stuff. We're going to on that too at
twelve thirty. Let's see what else I would like to
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(04:20):
you know. So I'm a part of your Christmas gift.
I hear nothing. I have to pry it out of you.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Ed. What would you get for Christmas?
Speaker 4 (04:27):
I told you I got a brand new baby granddaughter.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And that's the best thing. What was your second favorite?
Speaker 4 (04:34):
I got the brand new Smith and Weston two point
oh three eighty.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
You got one?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, that is one. That's a really, really incredible gun.
They've really had a home run with that one.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Yep, JC is to my left. Good seeing you back
from being the couple days but virus. I couldn't even
talk for about four days. Sore throat for.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
Your wife was really happy about that.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
No, she got them too, so she wasn't happy at
all about that week.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I meant to not talking.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Well, we didn't talk to each other four days.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Also, like, yeah, guys, if you missed a show, you
can always catch the podcast that's at six to ten
WTV in dot com. We're on iHeartRadio, iTunes, Spotify, speaker,
every place out there where the podcasts are. We should
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answering what are you on YouTube today or Facebook? Book?
You're on Facebook, great, you can go out there and
check that out as well.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
JC. What do you got going on?
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Oh, we got Newsweiser's a lot of stuff that we
need to catch up on. But I'll say I want
to wish a happy New Year to Buckeye Firearms Association,
and if you aren't a member and you live in Ohio,
you should join because they are you know. That's what
they do day long is work with legislator to try
to get some bills passed. And I just want to
give kudoos. I know, you know, Steve LUs called me
(05:50):
left message this morning to remind me that last month
they passed two great bills for Ohio. One was amended
Senate Bill fifty eight and went to Governor Wine's desk.
What that legislation would do is it prohibits requiring firearms
liability insurance. A lot of the states have been attacking
firearms by saying, Okay, if you own one, you're going
(06:11):
to have to pay liability insurance or what another insurance
just for each gun that you own. So anyway, this
bill would prohibit that as well as paying a fee
for just for the possession of a firearm, part of
firearm components, ammunition, or even a knife. Some of these states,
these woke states, are trying to attack any kind of
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ownership of any kind of firearm, knife, anything anyway. And
also they give them kudos for passing Senate Bill one
forty eight. I mean, they really worked hard on this
and that prohibits the financial institutions from tracking firearms purchases
in prohibit government entities from maintaining a registry of firearms
(06:53):
or firearms owners in the state of Ohio. So that's
really good because I think we've talked to that the
MCC code CMC is that that get passing.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
Is that was that part of this last stuff with the.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
Governor the governors if he has assigned it yet he will,
I mean, this is that's going to happen. So this
happened at the end of last month. The thieves went through.
So uh, it is huge because of eight of the states.
Right now, if you go to any of the stores
that will sell firearms, they're going to have a list
of you. You don't have a list of necessarily what
you want, but you go to the store. You go
(07:26):
to Cabela's, buy a fight fishing ride. I don't care
they sell firearms. You're going to be on the list.
We're gonna know who you are, what your address is,
where you are. Eight of the states have done that
so far with the cooperation of of the financial institutions.
And this bill would would prevent that from happening. And
and also the egregious of uhness of having like in California, Oh,
you want to fire me because he'll carry You're gonna
have to carry liability insurance in addition to special firearms
(07:50):
liability insurance. You can't say, well, I'm grand you know
I've got my umbrella policy. No, sorry, this is something
special and it's going to cost you so anyway, So
hats off to h Buckeye Firearms.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
That's those guys do so much, so much that sometimes
we just don't realize or don't talk about it enough.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I saw something the other day.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
I stumbled upon it, and I don't know what the
origins are, and it's only a couple of years old.
There was actually an o RC law or a statue
out there that talks about if a firearm is used
in the commission of a crime or otherwise somebody is
hurt by one in Ohio. They can't go back and
see the manufacture and or the gun store, which I
(08:29):
never knew that was out there. Well, I'm want to
look it into that a little bit more.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Of it stuff, But it was I would read it.
I happen to stumble upon it.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
I was looking up something else and I thought, wow,
that is that's great. I didn't know that, And it
wouldn't surprise me if Buckeye Firearms was a part.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Of that, part of every single gun legislation that's that's
out there. They're doing they I mean, that is their job.
That's what they do, and they're great, great at it.
And speaking of that, someone who's caused us a lot
of problems under the Biden administration has been Ohio's own unfortunately,
ve Deelback, who they made the director of the ATF,
(09:03):
and he has officially sent his resignation letter in Sorry,
we still have to put up with him for another
fourteen days, two weeks, but he is officially going as
a director, so we'll be directorless for what two days?
But once the new president elect, Donald Trump comes in,
(09:27):
certain that things are going to change and what Dontleback
has been done. What has what he has done is
just been a puppet for whatever the administration wants and
causing grief. They have revoked more FFLs and the history
over things like gee, you didn't put a period at
the end of the sentence, didn't cross the tea dot
and I. They scrutinize everything, even ones that have passed
(09:47):
before that by the ATF. When they do examinations, which
they do examinations of all the FFLs, even if you
pass before, they'll go back and look at records and
scan them again and look at him, going, oh, we
should have taken your f for this. And these are
minor things, not like selling guns uh you know, uh,
you know under the table, or not keeping correct records,
(10:08):
uh the whole document you have one transposed number, all
the rest of right, but one of them repeated is
transposed and you lose your license anyway. That and then
hopefully what they want to go for is anyone selling
a used gun at a gun show. They want to
make them have an f f L. I'm in an
f FL to go to a show and say, hey,
(10:28):
I got my grandfather's gun. To want anymore. I want
to sell it, but you need to have a firearms
license and they haven't started enforcing this yet, they don't
have the staff. But anyway, he's the he's the one
who's been put in charge of finding all the different ways.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
So that's because hardship.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Well, we're going to have a new president now, and
it's it's it's it's their interpretation of the Bipartisan Safety
Gun Act, where they changed one word which involved making
a living, making a problem, making a living, they got
making a living and making a profit. So you're good.
This gun costs six box, you know, in nineteen twenty
(11:02):
or something. You sell it for two hundred and you
need an FFL. So anyway, how.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
About we just get someone who is previously owned a firearm.
I mean, I'd be happy with that. I mean, that's
like having a Secretary of Transportation who's never had a
driver's license.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
I mean, we have that now, don't we. I don't
know who's that guy now, but he was a mayor.
Speaker 4 (11:21):
But who knows papa driver's license?
Speaker 2 (11:24):
I know that.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
I don't know, but it's the same.
Speaker 1 (11:27):
The director of the ATF, by his own admission, has
never owned a gun.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, and another good thing in a flaro Ohio might
as well. We're on the Ohio track. The they're having,
of course, the Shot Show's coming up, and at the
Shot Show this year as league over last year. Boy,
I would love to go to that. But they're looking
for attorney generals to come in and talk about the
(11:51):
gun issues across the states and the nation, and once again,
our own Attorney General, Dave Yost is going to be
one of the ones that is going to be attending
the Attorney General's forum at the Shot Show coming up,
and not all of the attorney generals doing that, So
hats off to date, he's very much Second Amendment, very
pro gun, good friend of the show, a good friend
(12:12):
of Ohio, good friend of gun hunter.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
So it's going to be our next governor.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well take a look at that. We'll see what's going
on there. That would that would He's a he's a
good guy anyway. So that's Ohio news. Around the there's
there's some things happening around the nation are kind of interesting,
not the nation, outside of the nation, around the world,
and one of them I think is pretty interesting is
that Russia's invasion of Ukraine is now leading to firearms
training in their countries. Turns out that because of Russia's
(12:41):
imperialism and expansion, Finland shares a border with them, and
they just had, you know, we better strength than our
our civilians here. So they're encouraging civilians to uh to
go to ranges. In matter of fact, they were adding
three hundred new shooting ranges, bringing their total up to
about one thousand shooting ranges. And they want this to
(13:03):
be the new pastime for the civilians in Finland. It's like, hey,
let's get out there, because we need to be able
to defend ourselves. So and this was spurred on by
the fact that they joined NATO, whether the thirty first
nation to join NATO. They joined last year and also
Sweden saw that and said, hey, us too, So in
March Sweden became a member of NATO. So they announced
(13:28):
they both plan on on increasing their defenses. And I
love this one, Pauland they introduced mandatory firearms training for
school children, both in primary school and in secondary schools.
And in primary schools they're going to teach the gun safety,
but it's mandatory for all of their students to be
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able to take apart a firearm assemble the firearm and
to shoot, and they're shooting real firearms but with laser cartridges.
So these are taking place in their gyms, but mandatory
for all our eighteen thousand schools. I think that's something
gun safety I think should be taught in all of
our schools.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
So, yep, you got one more short one in there, JC.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
This is yeah, I'm going to combine this to two
things that happened. The federal courts again toss out a
band of a felony preventing someone from owning a firearm
based on something that was nonviolent. He lied on a
conviction for food stamps. He'd already peeled it and and one,
but the state Garland actually took it up again. But
(14:36):
they just said that, honestly, that if you have a
felony and it wasn't for violent things, you can own
a firearm. Mean, why this is so important that this
would strike down the nation's most commonly enforced federal gun
control law is of being a felon and having a firearm.
And then another one that that actually is into this.
(15:00):
The Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals added a new wrinkle
because there was a guy who, uh did he said, Okay,
I have a non violent felony and I want a gun.
But they took a look in the muddy of the water.
They said, no, we should consider you're misdemeanors. And because
he had violent misdemeanors, they said, yeah, you may not
(15:22):
have a violent felony charge, but you have misdemeanor charges.
And they said he had no right to order.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
Wow, it's gonna it's gonna need to shake out this year.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Let's jump to a break.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
When we come back, We're talk about a gun of
the week that is getting a ton of attention and
it's right here with us. We're on Talking aout badcasting
live from the studios of l EPD Firearms Deranged.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
We'll be back right after the break ed.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
You know you can get a hold of l and
play a song that's pertinent to the day.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Oh, I didn't know that. No. One doesn't usually talk
to me, so it's.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
She takes requests and she has about half of the
ones they asked for.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
But that's okay, welcome back to on Talking.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I'm your hysteric jointed in the la at the studios.
I got big ed to my right. JC is to
my left Paul. Paul is probably in his car now
and we have, guys, we have a large studio audience.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
It must be nothing else to do. Look at that
welcome all. Look at that way to start the new year.
Clear back to the door.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
J C.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
Again of the week we've been talking about for a
couple of weeks now. That is getting a ton of attention.
Matter of fact, we had two or three people on
the list for these even before we got them. And
it's kind of neat to see this manufacturer obviously one
of the oldest manufacturers in the country and stuff, and
it's kind of neat to see that they still have
some innovation, and this one is certainly innovative.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
GC. What do you got today?
Speaker 2 (16:42):
This is the new uh are the Ruger r x
M and that what's our XM, Well, it's basically should
be our plus M because it's it's Ruger Company has
teamed up with Magpole and to create a firearm, which
of course all the Glock affection it's just another Glock
(17:02):
clone and they'd be correct, it is. But Glock's got
some great things, but doesn't mean they don't need some improvement.
And Ruger has teamed up and basically has done that.
It's getting a lot of kudoos from people who just
aren't if it's not a glock, it's not anything kind
of people. But it's really made some improvements. So the
(17:23):
Ruger what makes us so unusual basically Sick does the
same thing, but the serialized part is the fire control system,
which is inside and you can pop that out and
if you want a different frame, different color, different lake, longer,
different or anything, they can. Magpole, which is just incredible
at making the plastic fantastic accessories. Probably going to cough here,
(17:49):
excuse me, Okay, I'm back, yep. So they could, they
could make it into a carbing configuration river, but you
just have one piece it's registered, and that is the
fire control system. It pops out and there you go.
So they've taken it and put it into the very
popular Ruger framework, but they've done some things that have
been really that it just does not standard on the blocks.
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They've built the magazine well, which obviously Megpole could do.
That makes it easier to insert magazines. They dropped very freely.
They've already included the undercut. One of the most common
things that people do with their Ruger is to get
a higher grip, is to cut away underneath the underneath
the trigger guard. They've already done that automatically. They've reconfigured
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the mag release and it's just it's much easier to hit.
I've tried it on my Block nineteen. This happens to
be about exact the same size as the nineteen. They're
forward basically cuts on the on the slide. They're really
good at they're they're very firm. I just I find
it better than even the the glocks that have that
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to keep your finger in place a little more than
have been indentations. They've got when you're when you're gripping
your gun, that's the way the grip should be. And
on either side it's got a place to put your finger.
The sites are great, they're low, they're much better than
the standard block sites in my opinion. Plus they come
automatically with a tritium site with a white ring around it,
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with green tritium site, and every one of them is
cut for optics. And their version of the object is
you don't have to get different plates for different sizes.
They're already cut. They meant meat three footprints of of
of common sites like RMR and and so it just
saves all that problem of getting different footprints pins that
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fit in there, and it makes it cheaper and better
easier to put on because one of the problems with
places you got to tight these tiny screws. They come
loose so that you don't have that issue anymore with that.
So it's really good. And you can see it's a
very the sight is cut very flat, so you could
actually if you got wounded, you can cock it on
a table on your belt. Anything that comes with that.
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The trigger is actually better than the glock triggers. It's
not perfect, it's got the same kind of glock characteristics,
but it's lighter. Most of the people have been testing
it have been four and a half to five, you
know pounds, where it's always five to six pounds on
the clocks that I've had. And because it's a a
mag pole, it uses it uses glock magazines, but it
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can but it comes with with mag pole magazines they're P. Fifteen's.
It will take P. Seventeens, which are the seventeen round
magazines and any other thing that Glock makes that would fit.
So this is based on when I hang on. This
is based on the Gen three glock. And the reason is,
(20:41):
you know Coxing Amunt eighty eighty two. Once the patent's expired.
Of course, when patent's expired, you can make something to that. So, uh,
the four the Gen fours and Gen fives have not
expired yet, but the Gen threes have And there's so
many accessories for the glock. Gen three is that's kind
of the heyday. I think for accessories you can get
new you know, triggers. Anything that fits on the glock
(21:02):
basically will fit on this gun. And uh, what's what's
the funniest Some of the wags out there have said, Uh,
it's it's a ruger and magpole. So they call it
the rug pole.
Speaker 1 (21:13):
But it looks sharp, John, I mean it is, and
I hope it's one of these ones. I mean a
lot of times you see this stuff come and go
and next year will be saying.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
What was the ruger? It came out with the magpool.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I hope this one sticks around because it's it's nice.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
They like the grip better. Everyone just said that the
grip is better. The texture that they have. They said,
it's uh, and it's it's over one hundred dollars less
than a glock of the same thing, but it has
with more features. So uh, you know, they're running around
this is like, uh, you know, four thirty nine. Uh,
but they're you know, it's cheaper than a glock with
all the features that it has. Also even has a
(21:45):
little bit of a h of a beaver tail over
you just to protect your hand a little bit more.
It's they's just got everything. It's tapered.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
It's it's Johnny's doesn't have backstraps though, correct, I mean,
it doesn't have no.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Okay, So that's that's the deal. So you don't have
to buy a new gun to get that. You can
pull out that when Magpole comes out, which they will.
That's part of the purpose of it, with all the configurations,
maybe smaller grip, maybe this that whatever mag Pole comes
out with, which will be plenty, you just pulled out that.
You stick it right and stick it in and you
can have whichever gun you want without you know, having
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any more attack tex and registration.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's sharp.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
It's a yeah. That is a good recess. Recess good
you know. I really can't say enough about it. Ruger.
It's a ruger. It's been shooting really really well, when
you look.
Speaker 3 (22:30):
At the groups or fantastic and we have them here
for sale.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
So we have the men's stock now I think we
still have a couple uh here at the moment.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Everyone says it's absolutely the best cloned a matter of fact,
many features they just they said, look, it's better than
the standard standard block.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
So wow, guys, we're goanna jump to the bottom of
the ironies when we come back, when we talk a
little bit about what we saw right here at l
EPD in twenty twenty four and also going to get
to the top ten transactions for Rock Island Auction House
last year. We're on talking about badcasting live from the
studios of LPD Farms Arrange. We'll be back right after
the break. Welcome back to on talking about me. Here's
(23:03):
Derek joined today. Jc's back. There is JC sitting to
my left, Big Ed is to my right. Hello, guys.
We always talk about what's popular out there. You know
what caliber bird is popular, what are people coming in
asking for And really you don't know until the year
is done and you can report back on it. And
(23:24):
so every year about this time, I'd like to look
about what we sold, what was popular, If there's any trends,
and there was nothing. As you know, jac and I
were looking at it before the show. There's nothing that
was huge. But there is still some trends that we're
seeing that are that are of significant. So we'll take
the next couple of minutes and talk about those. Are
you ready for this end?
Speaker 4 (23:45):
I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
So let's talk about of all the firearms we sold here,
So this includes ones we sold new and used and
also the ones that got transferred in because that's an
indication of.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
What people were buying.
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Obviously, even if we didn't sell it to them directly,
they transferred it in for.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
Us to do the background check.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
So of all the items we sold, and actually our
numbers were up about twelve percent from the.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
Prior year, which is also another indicator.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
It was our second approaching our second highest year versus
the riot years and COVID and stuff.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
But that's good because overall it has not been We've
been an exception.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
To the right.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Right, So if you look at everything, of course nine
milimeter is king and they it actually the nine millimeter
gun slipped a hair It slipped down about a percentage
point from the prior year, but it's still it still is.
About thirty eight percent of all guns that we sold
were nine milimeters thirty percent. That's a big number.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Number forty five ed.
Speaker 1 (24:50):
You'll be happy to know forty five actually had an uptick.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
I forge it went.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
From one point six percent the year before to two
point nine almost.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Yeah, not quite double, but yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
So there is.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And I don't know what that's attributed to. I don't
know if any new forty fives came out. I don't
know if it's just a.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
Specifically saying the forty five is the king.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
It could be. Now.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
I love the I hate to say this, I love it,
and I don't know if we can declare it being dead,
but I'll tell you the forties on life support. It
is at one point it was it kind of for
almost ten percent of our sales this last year. It
is down to three percent of all our gun sales
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or forties.
Speaker 4 (25:35):
That surprised me. Never that round.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
Twenty two's are up a little bit. Uh, let's see
what other here's something And we saw this a couple
of different places. The twelve gage shotgun is up good,
which is kind of interesting, and that's kind of a good.
It kind of makes me, uh, It kind of makes me, uh,
you know, happy about that to see people are or
getting back acquainted with the shotguns and stuff for self
defense and hunting. Thirty eight special papul you're listening thirty
(26:01):
eight and three ffty seven. Magnum actually took a big hit.
It was hanging around five and a half percent the
last couple of years. This last year three point seven, wow,
three point seven, So I don't know if that's just people,
you know, the younger crowd getting away from revolvers again
as time goes on, two two three, five five six
stayed about the same, they kind of for just under
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nine percent of all of our sales were two two,
three and five five six. The AK dropped a little
bit as well, only one point five percent of all
of our sales were AK. The one number I didn't
pool here, and it's probably not significant enough. But with
Smith and Weison coming out with a thirty two revolver,
we certainly saw half the crowd has them here.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
We certainly did see enough ticking that eight uh oh,
three eighty.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
The three eighty was almost flat, just under five percent
of our sales three eighty, which is still viable. And
what actually what helped that from probably being down is yeah,
as you ed you so those are kind of interesting.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
What created did you get?
Speaker 2 (27:02):
You got the new two point h and it's a great, great,
great gun. Yeah, there's some on the store so they
can't keep him in stock.
Speaker 4 (27:09):
There was a Christmas gift for my son.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
So if you guys, if you look, then if you
take a step back and instead of looking at calibers,
you look at the type of guns, revolvers versus pistols,
versus shotguns and rifles. How did those numbers end up? Revolvers, unfortunately,
Pap Paul went from just under eight percent of all
of our sales in twenty twenty three to now just
under seven percent, so it just continues to go down.
(27:37):
Interesting enough for us. The Semido pistols went down a
little bit too, only by a point, but it went
from fifty nine actually fifty nine to just under fifty
eight percent of all of our sales. So you might say, geez,
where do they get made up at?
Speaker 4 (27:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (27:52):
The shotguns, the shotguns as a whole went from five
point eight percent of all of our sales to seven percent.
So I don't know what that is. I don't know
if there's anything. I mean a case she's been out for.
I don't know what that uptick was, but it certainly
wait to.
Speaker 4 (28:05):
Figure that one out is find out which models.
Speaker 1 (28:07):
Yeah, and we can do that. We can go back
and look at that. The rifles down actually a hair
as well, so you just it's negligible, but it's nonetheless
was down suppressors. I think is up. I haven't I
didn't get to pull it for prior years, but that's up.
And certainly with the ATF now approving these things within
forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (28:27):
From eleven months to forty eight hours.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah, that's that's it makes you wonder.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
So guys, so out of all the manufacturers we sold
or transferred in here, what do you think is the
number one brand that we sell here at l EPD
Firearms and Range.
Speaker 2 (28:44):
Maybe I'd say Smith and Wesson.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Well, for the probably the eleventh year in a row,
the Smith and Wesson is the most popular brand. And
you know what, they were at fifteen point five percent,
actually taking some of the some of the market share
away from glock. We went from thirteen point two percent
of our gun sales being glocks to ten point five
(29:10):
and I think that's because Smith and Wesson is innovating.
I mean they came out with the rifles. This year,
they got the bodyguard three eighty. This year, they got
the five to seven in the glock. What do they have?
I got the glock nineteen with the seventeen slide, and
I got the seventeen with the nineteen frame, and it's
it's the same.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
You lay them down from eighty two on up. Yeah,
you can see some different, but it's still he still
looks the same, and there's not any innovation.
Speaker 4 (29:33):
And it's got a lot to do with the slogan
that's out there. I mean it's still you know, you
don't think us three are going to let you out
of you walk out of here, do you?
Speaker 2 (29:40):
Well?
Speaker 4 (29:40):
Well, who's us three mean? Smith and Wesson?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Right well? And the other thing is as an instructor,
Smith and Wesson's fit a lot more. Yean, it'll it'll
fit any hand that holds a glock, plus any of
the And it's so easy to change out the four
different grips on the on the point two is now
not soe not on the three eighty.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
But as far as the grip changing.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
When I'm up there, I can get a guy with
him hands and I go put an extra large on it,
and within ten seconds the gun is back in for
an extra small for the lady.
Speaker 4 (30:11):
That's what it.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So, it's so easy to change them. They're incredibly You look.
Speaker 1 (30:15):
At the Block forty two and three eighty versus the
Smith bodyguard. Now, I mean the body's what's the forty
two old six or seven rounds and the Smith ten
or yeah, So it's crazy. I mean they're not in
the the and I don't know the model number, but
the Glock twenty six that is in three eighty now
I forget the model number on that, the twenty eight
twenty eight it is. I saw them on clearance with
(30:37):
distributors this week. I don't know if we've ever sold one,
you know. So they weren't available in United stations. They
didn't get that following right off the bat. They were
only available in Europe for some reason. Then they started
coming on here. But there's so many other great I
know he's here, so.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Other things a significance.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
The cel Tech went from one point nine to two
point nine with us keel Tech used to be almost
five percent of our sales. When we opened up. We
had a lot of things going, and KL Tech is
those things solid. I mean they're still with their KSG
seven for.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
The money you really yeah that they're just excellent, excellent
design fire.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Outside of that, every thing is pretty much the same.
The SIGs. The SIG went up, lets see, uh sig
went up, actually went down a point, So I don't
know if that's the three twenties falling off. FN was
even even so, we're just under three percent of our
sales were fins. I mean, quickly through this guy's caliberd's
(31:31):
rented as you can expect, the nine milimeters the king
sixty one percent of all the guns we rented this
last year were nine milimeter from everyone else, she's the
thirty eight was down, the forty was down to one
percent of all the guns around. Mean we should take
them off the rains, I mean one percent of all
guns rented forty up there right now. The two two, three,
(31:53):
five six to get rint a lot to accounted for
just under eight percent of all the guns rented. AMO
sold kind of follows the gun sold, but there was
some significant differences here. The nine millimeter actually went up
to fifty five percent of all AMMO sold. Here, fifty
five percent of all AM sold. This is defense and
range were nine milimeter forty five went down a little
(32:14):
bit dead sorry, down to four percent out there. For me,
twelve gauge went from four point eight to seven point
three percent of all AM sold. So there was definitely
something going on with the twelve gage. Ten milimeter went
up a hair everything else was pretty much flat.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Two two, three, five, five six actually.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
Went down a hair too, and that can be sicklic
to what people are feeling out there and whether they
need to buy BULKMO and stuff. Last thing, guys, defensive AMMO.
We talk about that a lot. You know what's the
best defensive AMMO out there? Well, by brand, you can
you can start to see where people's minds are. Last year,
forty four percent of what we sold were horna days.
(32:54):
So the critical defense cquirtical duty has a great following.
That actually has dropped now to thirty nine percent. And
what has come up are the federal So that's the
federal HSPHS two.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I think that that would be Mike.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
Yeah, So they're getting closer and closer thirty nine percent
for thirty four percent for federal spear, which I think
is also a federal product three percent, Winchester four percent,
Remington negligible to a couple percent in the SIG. You know,
the SIGs are good rounds. The only account for three
percent of what we sold. The problem is they're so
darn expensive. I mean, I don't know if they're not. I
(33:28):
don't think you can justify paying the extra money. I
don't know what you're getting more for that.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Since you brought up SIG, John, I know you're one
that keeps up on all this. Is there anything in
the future. Have you heard any in the future where
SIG is going to do a recall on three twenty?
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Sure?
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Oh, they're a buy back program.
Speaker 2 (33:46):
Sometimes they have to must have accountants or someplace going okay,
if we do this, this is how much it's going
to cost us. But we have to have a plan
to fix it.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So why not get rid of it? I mean they
can't apparently.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
I didn't like it from the the first one we
got in. I went I just I thought that, you know,
and then once soon I saw the drop tests, which
you know, and this is what's happened. I mean, so
the lawsuits have got to be well, that's what I mean,
that they're gonna happen with do something something like that.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
It just solve that lawsuit problemly to get them off
the market, and.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
The perception of it, it's almost that they need to
come out with a knew you know, the three twenty
one and just that right something.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
I mean, they don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
How they're going to redesign it. The military doesn't have
the problem is much because they have safeties on theirs.
They mandated safety, so all the rest of them, you know,
you don't see a safety on them, and they mandated those,
so I guess when they do drop, at least the
manual safety keeps them from going off. But they've had
issues in the military too, so you know.
Speaker 4 (34:44):
I don't know, you hate to see that seeing anything
on the news.
Speaker 3 (34:47):
There's been nothing.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
No, I mean, I would follow that, but this last
eleven million dollars and then there's another one another one
that well they have almost close to two hundred I
think lawsuits, and these involved police and walking down there,
coming downstairs, your gun, your holeshter goes off and shoot
you in the leg, and you know it's just who
what I mean, there's a lot of.
Speaker 4 (35:07):
Stuff out there. I just don't understand why they just yeah,
pull it on the name and not try and fight,
and that's exactly how it's running their name.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Yep. Guys, one last thing before we go into break.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
You talk about new products, and this is something that's
it's really nothing that big and stuff, but people were
asking for it, and you talked about the bag poor earlier.
This is Have you seen the new tamag there? The
tag it is uh and I shouldn't have this better,
but it is basically a p mag that is clear
now translucent so you can see your AMO in there.
Tarent transparent.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
So there was a lot of people asking for and
we do have them in stock now, so that's the
thing you've been hunting for. We have them here with
the other p mags. Guys, that jump to a break
and we come back and we'll talk about Rock Island
Auction House, one of the neatest auction houses out there.
Never gone out there just to check it out. They
just released their top ten octions from last year and
I probably want nine of them there JC.
Speaker 2 (35:58):
But yeah, I think I had a little bit more
than that. What I like, just the top ten that
was in sales price and several sold at the same price,
so they have three that all sold of the right,
the other two here, another three there I went to
I thought there were ten firearms. Turns out there's about
twenty that in the top.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Ten price, some historical significantly some of this too. So guys,
we'll get to that right after the break mayby C
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Speaker 3 (36:35):
I need Marshall to do the weather.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Maybe they're tea clouds, translucent clouds. Maybe cloud it's clear, but.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Skies early increasing clouds.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Okay, I guess I guess the clear skies are early
and then it's increasing clouds.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
Yeah, makes sense.
Speaker 1 (36:50):
Next thing, I only need a green screen JC crime
any But we can just listen to music the rest
of the day.
Speaker 4 (36:57):
ED right works.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Oh this is good.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
This a great song.
Speaker 1 (37:02):
See that's why Ella is an old soul. Wow, welcome
back to on target. I mean, here's Eric joined today.
I got big EDD to my right, I got little
JC to my left. JC rock Island auction House. Is
there is some super neat stuff out there. I like
this story. Is the Premier.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
It is auction house and and well just for example,
for the fourth year in a row now they've auctioned
off over one hundred million dollars and guns.
Speaker 4 (37:31):
For the fourth year in a row.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
So when I say premiere, I mean, you know it's
the Rolls Royce kind of a house. I can probably
go even better than a Rolls in it.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
I think to me, is you don't realize at least
I don't realize some of the stuff that's out there.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Oh it's run through a she ran through some last week?
Did hit me?
Speaker 2 (37:50):
Just these these historical ones? Well all right, so here
are the top ten and this is in money sales.
Number one you missed your shot at this one, but
no unintended. But their number one sale was for a
wheel lock from the French King Louis the thirteenth, who
was legendary for his gun collection. So he was he
(38:13):
was born in sixteen oh one, so he wasn't buying
any glocks back then, but he was he as a
as the king of France. You know, he wanted the
best of everything. So they sold one of his guns.
A breathtaking as they say, wheel lock was in bell
You have to look it up online get Rock Island
armory Ria, look up their top ten just to see
(38:34):
the pictures of this, and all of them have a video.
But it had embellish, was scrolling mythical beasts, classical nudes. Hope,
they had a lot of those bejeweled from stock to
muzzle and the trigger plate has pierced panels with engraved borders,
scarlet technol backing. This is just it is absolutely full,
over five feet long, and it's just gorgeous. And it
went for eight hundred and eighty one thousand and two
(38:57):
hundred and fifty bucks. That doesn't include the pre fee
you have to pay, you know, to even get that.
So ey, Yeah, but this one I love. I wish
I could have had this gun. I just love this gun.
So the gun that won the West, A lot of
people think, ah, it's the old Colt forty five. No,
it wasn't. It wasn't that. The gun that won the
West was maybe even before the Colt forty five, the
Winchester Model seventy three. Have you ever seen the Jim
(39:19):
Jimmy Stewart Winchester seventy three. It was the gun that
won the West. It was in that forty four of
the Winchester was a forty four to forty. This one
was an exceptionally documented This was a one of one thousand,
So Winchester only did fifty seven of these. They tested
a thousand guns that they produced in Row and the
one that had the most exceptional accuracy is the one
(39:41):
that was designated right on their one of one thousand.
They did fifty seven of those. This is one of those.
Speaker 4 (39:47):
It was.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
It's been featured in several books and factory letter and
and it was announced in their catalog and the picture
of this book so has all that prominence. So it
went for five hundred and twenty eight thousand, seven and
fifty bucks for that Winchester. Wow. This one went for
exactly the same price at five twenty eight seven fifty
(40:08):
and this was a tie with that for money. But
it was Pat Garrett, the sheriff who killed Billy the kid,
so this was a gun that was presented to him.
It was a cult thunderer, so it wasn't a single action.
This was a double action. One of the first double
action guns that were out there. And so this gun
(40:31):
was featured in several books and guns and Ammo even
did a book Guns and the gun fighters featuring this one.
It's engraved, gold plated, engraved and presented to him with
his name on the bottom of it. And it also
went for that of five hundred and twenty eight seven
hundred and fifty. But if you couldn't afford that, they
had his badge and solid gold that went for two
(40:51):
hundred and thirty five thousand dollars. If you could before
the gun, you could buy his badge, which was pretty impressive.
Another one that I really this was unusual because this
is much more modern, and they happened to sell two
of them, not at the same time, but during the
year two of them came available, and there's only eleven
transferable ones of these, and they're just they had a
(41:14):
brand new for brief National FN Model two forty machine guns,
and so this was these were actually they took kind
of the the uh best of of the the German
MG forty two in World War Two and then what
in the American bar and they kind of came up
with this two forty. But there's only eleven that are
(41:36):
transferable in the United States, and they sold two of
them and fully outfitted with everything, and it just looked
they're fantastic looking. They each went for two hundred or
five one hundred and twenty eight thousand dollars, so I
don't know if someone bought the pair, but they were
sold at different times a couple of them that were
just really kind of neat that I liked that one
(41:58):
of the one I thought was the most beautiful. So
you really look at this. It was a La Page
double barrel shotgun for the President of Mexico. Now this
is completed in eighteen sixty, so right one of the
civil all overstarting. This gun was made that shows you
where we are. But just looking at it, it's like
I said, it's a work of art. Double bear's shotgun,
(42:19):
carved ebony stock. But the relief, like for example, the hammer,
it's a double barrel, is a it just looks like
a hound. It's a fox hound in complete detail. So
when you poet and it falls down, it falls on
a fox's web, which is right next to where the
nipple would be, and it's just incredible. It was featured
(42:41):
in a museum for many, many, many many years, but
it sold for four hundred and forty grand and a
couple of the other one. This I have to tell
you about this one because it's a gun, but it's
attached to something. This was down the list a little bit,
but someone had a World War two M three, a
one Stuart light tank, and they said, most of these
(43:02):
are just a museum, none of them are really around.
But this one is drivable onnable, you can wash it go.
It's completely armed with it. So it has to be
transferable because it has a tank gun on it. But
it was made by American Car and Foundry Company, and
they called this the This tank was nicknamed the Honey
due to its absolutely smooth ride, and they delivered them
(43:23):
to the British and the Soviet forces during the little
Lease program.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
But it was out there and you could I could
be had for.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
Three hundred and twenty three thousand dollars. Put money together
on this. And here's one that is also would be near.
And dear, do I think most of our hearts here.
This one surprised the auction house because they estimated the
price at ninety thousand dollars and end up selling for
three hundred and fifty two thousand dollars. And this one,
(43:51):
you know, hammered it over four times the prices, they said,
and exceptionally rare. This was a precursor to the Colt
Model nineteen eleven. This was the model nineteen o seven
that Samuel Colt came up with, and they said it
was nearly like the last stop to Colts nineteen eleven.
The nineteen ten was truly the last stop anyway. This
was the first gun chambered for the forty five ACP
(44:14):
and it was one of only two hundred pistols made
for tests to see if the Army field tests will
like it, and they pulled it out to redo it
through the to nineteen ten, then the nineteen eleven. But
this is the precursor, and boy, that would be a
nice good It looks, it looks brand new, It looks
fabulous good stuff.
Speaker 1 (44:30):
Jac you out there and see the list for yourself.
Rock Island Auction House really a neat place to go, guys.
Thanks for spending the last hour with us and starting
off the new year. We are gonna have all kinds
of neat things coming in the upcoming weeks. But as always,
stay safe out there, be careful, stay vigilant, and let's
be careful out there, guys,
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