Make Revolvers Great Again

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This younger generation has no respect for history and certainly
no appreciation for the value that it brings. Today it's
all about the new things, the cool looking one or
what was last scene in the Shoot Them Up movie?
But today, today we're going to do our part to
make America great again by making revolvers great again. All

(00:22):
this and much more. Next one on Target. You know,
maybe by our five hundredth show, you'll get that when
the buttons on it, you go out over the air, Chuck, tell.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Them, when the buttons you go over the air.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Yeah, I'm over the air. Goodness, and I'm over you.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
My word, my word, oh, my word. Good afternoon. Welcome
on Target. We're breadcasting live. That's a lot too, Yes,
live from the studios of LAPD Farms and Rain. Just
look at it at nine nine nine, Triple nine Bethel Road.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (00:54):
You know, sometimes I spend a few hours right in
the show. Sometimes it comes naturally. Sometimes I look at
it and I think, Okay, there's a lot of stuff
and it's going to be condensed and I can do it.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
What do you have?

Speaker 2 (01:03):
I'm sorry, there's been a time when you spent a
few hours writing this?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Really? Oh there you go, Chuck, turned that right off.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
You just got hammered by the big guy.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Yeah, yeah, there is. Yeah, because it doesn't come natural
some of us. This isn't natural, this isn't what I do.
So last night, or yesterday, or a couple of weeks
within this week, we talked about we're gonna talk to
JC and we're going to talk about revolvers today because
we have a huge revolver sale going on, and I
was I should have talked about it last week because
we have ten percent off all revolvers, including new and used.

(01:38):
And it's not just stuff that's out there that, oh,
you'll never want, and I'm going to come in and
see something that I would never want to purchase. A
lot of these are just kind of overruns for our
for our inventory. Maybe we had a couple models that
were very, very similar, so we're discontinuing one. So there's
a lot of good stuff out there. So I should
have talked about it. But anyways, I decided we're going
to do a show on revolvers. Chuck, guess when we

(01:58):
did the last show dedic to revolvers. I'm gonna tell
you two thousand and fourteen two.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
It's been a long time ago, almost eleven.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
Years, almost eleven years. Yes, so, but when I look
at it and jac and I are talking last night,
there is so much we need four hours to talk
about revolvers and the history and how they came about.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
And why four day days.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, yeah, there's so much to it. So you know,
we're going to try to condense it, have a little
conversation about it. But it truly is still a very
viable option when you're looking at concealed carry and Chuck,
you were just mentioning you can revolver often.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
Yes, you know the last three weeks and today is
the one day I'm not And of course it's Revolver days.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
So if you would pay attention to the show.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Preight, I all those hours I'd have to pay attention to.

Speaker 3 (02:47):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
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(03:09):
Today on the show, I want to give a shout
out to our good friends over a black Wing. Joe
King jumped on with this last week. Him is his
buddy Matt Light of the Light Foundation. Great event coming up.
You should check that out. It's going to be May
thirteenth up at Black Wing. Certainly, if you haven't gone
out there to see that, go out there and check
that out. Certainly worth the while up here. Shortly, JC

(03:30):
is going to have the news JC. It has been
so long since you sat beside us here. No, I
have notes down from March fifteenth.

Speaker 3 (03:38):
Oh yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
It yes, and March fifteenth is well.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
The pie ends a day after Pie Day.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
It is Pie Day, and every year I always have
to mention. I don't know why this is, but in
your brain, of all kinds of stuff rolling around in there,
it's yeah, you know pie, like what three point one four? Right?
You know pie?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Right?

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Apple?

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Peach?

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
So but Jac, you have a little bit of a
uniqueness to you, amongst other things. But how many digits
did your pie knowledge go out to?

Speaker 3 (04:08):
I don't know, fifty sixty something like that.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
So why on earth would you know pie? To fifty
or sixty digits.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
What the fun thing about it is when you start
looking at the numbers, they all seem to relate to
either firearms.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
Models or calibers, and it's just so much.

Speaker 4 (04:26):
Fun to put that together. You can go whole strings
of those with.

Speaker 3 (04:31):
Yeah. So it's just my brain.

Speaker 4 (04:33):
Works with either powder numbers or calibers or model numbers,
and it just all kind of fits together.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
So just like it was made for me.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
There.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
You gotta love my pie.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
It's good to be back here. I'm glad you're back
here with us. To my immediate right. I have you
know what one of the distinctions, Chuck that I never
knew about you, but I'm sure other I mean I knew,
but I'm sure others don't know about you. In nineteen
seventy eight, I think around that, ok, I think you
were one you awarded the paper Boy of the year
something to delivering papers blizzard.

Speaker 3 (05:06):
Ever were those Zigzags or easy One?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
They were waiting for their papers and you get that
award for going out there delivering the papers prep two hours?

Speaker 3 (05:16):
Shaft? Is that?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Man? How did you know that?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Wow? Am I right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:22):
It was one of a few carriers for the Columbus Dispatch.
It actually got my routes carried during the blizzard.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Wow, got an award for that, right, Yeah? Yeah, how
did you know that? That's a little freaky. Sometimes it's
best not to know. Big ed to my far right.
Good to see you.

Speaker 3 (05:38):
You know.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
I got a chance to work with your son again
this week. Always a pleasure. He looked nice and from proper.
Now again, save that thing off, yeah, beard off.

Speaker 3 (05:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I told him I ain't working with them coming up
here for an event without him shaving. So apparently, yeah,
apparently he did. I don't know, guys. We're going to
get to some news up here shortly and at twelve
thirty we're going to talk revolvers a little bit about
the history of why you should consider one if you
don't at least have one in your collection. And then
we brought a couple in here today to show. I

(06:06):
don't know if we're going to get to them all,
but I brought in some jc that are just I
started last night to go through some of the ones
to bring in and what I determined, John, I have
an issue. I have a lot of revolvers.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
You should just give some from me.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Yeah, there's a lot, I mean, and they all have
some historical significance to them and stuff. So if we
get a chance, we're gonna get to some of those.
But up first, we should probably get to the news.
What do you have, JC?

Speaker 3 (06:33):
We have this time?

Speaker 4 (06:34):
We have several good stories, a couple bad, but just
started off with a real quick one. Once again, the
NSSF National Shooting Sports Foundation, we at least their March
adjusted background check figures for firearm sales, and once again
we hit over a million for the month last year,
one million, three hundred and eighty six thousand, plus we're sold.

(06:54):
This is the fifty sixty eighth month in a row
that there have been over a million arms sold in
the United States, so that's absolutely amazing. People are exercising
their Second Amendment rights and hats off to everyone, so
that's good. There's another bit of good news, and I
had this a couple of weeks ago, we just hadn't
talked about it yet, but this is good news for

(07:17):
all of us.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
They have made a.

Speaker 4 (07:19):
New leadership web page update for the ATF and it
now includes Robert Leader, who was a former associate professor
from George Mason University's the antonin Scalia Law School, and
he is now the new Assistant director and chief Legal
Counsel for the ATF.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Okay, well, why is that important?

Speaker 4 (07:42):
Well, you probably remember if you're a firearms enthusiast, that
that got rid of Pamela Hicks, who was Biden's and
she was like bad, so they fired her in February.
But leader brings with him an actual, as I say,
an acumen for the Second Amendment freedoms. And he's written
extensively on constitutional rights, especially gun rights. So he wrote

(08:06):
a fifty six page paper on the edge of individual
right to keep and bear arms for the common Defense,
another forty eight pager on the general rights to bear
arms and constitutional liquidation, surety laws and the right to
bear arms are just some of his some of what
he has written about. So he is now chief Legal
Council for the ATF. So we're really.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's really important.

Speaker 3 (08:28):
Talking that is really important. That's very very good, So
welcome aboard. That's great. We've got a couple of.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Thumbs up and thumbs down cases legal cases that just
happened a day apart.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
This was good.

Speaker 4 (08:42):
The Pennsylvania Supreme Court tossed a liability case against Springfield Armory.
So they ruled that a major gun maker cannot be
held liable for the accidental shooting death of a Pennsylvania juvenile.
They just ruled this on Monday, and they threw it
out because of the PLACA, the Protection of Wafful Commerce

(09:02):
of Arms Act. So the Pennsylvania Supreme Court unanimously dismissed
the liability against Springfield Arms. The court determined that the
Federal Protection of Lawful Commerce and Arms Acts, which generally
prohibits lawsuits against the gun industry for arms caused by
third parties of which they have no control, and they
thought that that was a very valid exercise of congressional

(09:22):
authority and as such bears such suits from proceeding.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Well.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
The next day on Tuesday.

Speaker 4 (09:29):
Now, this is an Illinois state judge who's always been
anti gun. He allowed a case against Smith and Wesson
to move forward on about.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
The same thing.

Speaker 4 (09:39):
The state judge he green lit a liability lawsuit against
not just against Smith and Wesson, but also the distributor
Bud's Gun Shop, and then also the FFL that sold
the gun, Red Dot Arms, And he said it was
okay to allow the suit against all three of those
entities because someone used a firearm and shot of other people,

(10:05):
He said, Dad, that's he said. He thought that the
plaintiffs articulated to claim, so it wasn't really blocked by
the Federal Protection of Lawful Armors and KRMS Act.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
This what he did.

Speaker 4 (10:17):
So this is I'm reading this kind of verbat him
from what he said. The plaintiffs have successfully, pardon me.
The plaintiffs have sufficiently alleged that Smith and Wesson's unlawful
conduct created a condition that foreseeably led to the shooters
criminal act. So they made a gun and he said that, yeah,

(10:37):
they they this led to the foreseeable act. Judge or Tz,
his name is George with a jay Ortz, And this
is a Roberts versus Smith and Wesson. And he said
the complaint allegens at number one, the ar style firearms,
in particular the Smith and Wesson M and P fifteen
rifle are the weapons of choice for match shooters.

Speaker 3 (10:59):
Yeah, I mean that's number two.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
He said.

Speaker 4 (11:01):
Mass shooters are typically impulsive young men with hero complexes
and delusions of militaristic grandeur. And he said Smith and
Wesson purposely targeted its marking of the AR fifteen style
firearm at this group, UH, employing tactics and themes they
knew would be disproportionately attractive to dangerous people.

Speaker 3 (11:22):
Well they get this, so they claimed, and this is
my favorite goal.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
They claimed Smith and Wesson's the M and P brand,
which stands for military and police, was misleading and help
push the shooter to carry out his attack.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
None of those things are illegal, which nullifies everything, the
judge said in his decision.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
It's it's this is just such, it's crowd.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
How did they do that? I mean, Smith and Wesson
did place the ad in mental health today, but other
than that, I mean, I wouldn't call it targeting.

Speaker 3 (11:51):
How do you even raw foreseably know that this is
so much?

Speaker 1 (11:55):
How do you not then extrapolate that to you know,
beer is in talk the license, right, I mean, it's
intended to aneeberate you. I mean, it's foreseeable that someone's
gonna drink that, get in the car and go and
hurt themselves or others.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
How do you not extrapolate that jover runs over somebody.
You should sue the bar where they were drinking, the
bartender that served in the manufacturer of the liquor, the
manufacturer of the automobile, the manufacturer the tires that made
the automobile roll, the manufacturer and producer of the gasoline
that fueled the automobile, and his mother for giving birth
to him.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
That's how crazy it is.

Speaker 4 (12:29):
But it goes through the permissions of this This is
what's really bad. This even if it's thrown out about
which it should be and probably will be, but it's
costing Smith and Wesson hundreds of thousands of dollars just
to defend this case right now, and now it's going
to do it again. So who's like applauding this Bloomberg again?
Every Town for Gun Safety, which really should be named

(12:51):
every time for gun confiscation, because they said, oh, this
is just great. Now we can start using this type
of offense with anyone.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
And these gun manufacturers, after they win all of these suits,
go back and countersuit Bloomberg and anybody else it was
funding all of these ridiculous suits and get their money back.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
Yep, this is the important one. I get this name
that I had not in my order.

Speaker 4 (13:15):
But I'm going to skip to this one because the
Trump tariffs, which of course everybody in the world is
talking about, and this was just a brief note about
how it could hit the gun industry hard. And you know,
some of this I talked to you about surprise both
of us. But so you know, as they say, the
gun industry is one of the few bright spots in
American manufacturing, but it doesn't mean it's invulnerable to the tariffs.

(13:37):
So you know, many of the firearms brands are American
made in America, and we're still the number one producer
and purchaser of American firearms, but important guns and ammunition
are clearly popular products. So the ATF, which keeps track
of all this data, said that I was kind of
surprised about this. American manufacturers from the year two thousand

(14:00):
through twenty twenty three, that's just in four years produced.
I just got shocked about this one hundred and seventy
one million, eight hundred and ten thousand plus firearms in
that particular period of time, which I went, wow, the
number of imported Americans imported another ninety three million, three
hundred and fifty five thousand.

Speaker 3 (14:19):
Plus, which that's a lot in addition to the others.
But we also exported which will be affected.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Nine and a half million firearms, but I thought, wow,
ninety three million, three hundred and fifty five thousand imported
that we brought in. So the data on the ammunition
and manufacturing that the ATF keeps tells a similar story.
Numbers are not quite as precise on the ammunition, but
what they have discovered is the imports have supplied a

(14:48):
huge chunk of the ammunition market. So between twenty ten
and twenty twenty, ATF reports and Americans imported more than
twenty six billion rounds of ammunition.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
That's that's a lot, much, even more than you have
in your.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
Base bat a little bit, twenty.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Six billion rounds of ammunition.

Speaker 4 (15:10):
So the packed up terriffs is likely to be noticeable,
but it's even gets well, let me cover how noticeable.
Could bit like Locke, which is a you know, one
of the most popular guns handguns in America. Austria got
hit with a twenty percent tariff, so they're going to
be hit with that of Brazil, the home of taras.
We get a ten percent. Turkey, which a lot of

(15:32):
gun makers are making their guns in Turkey. I mean,
can it gets one of the ones that's very very popular.
They get a ten percent increase, but a lot of
the look if you look at Smith and Wesson, Winchester,
Winchester apartment, Winchester shotguns, things like that, a gursan, a
lot of them are made in Turkey and they'll be
subject to a ten percent as well. But uh, this

(15:52):
is one that I hadn't thought about, but this is
going to have a huge impact. Red Dots. How many
red Dots are made in China. I'd say ninety percent,
but that would be just a stab in it. Well,
firearms parts and accessories such as red dots, and many
of those made in China. It's getting a thirty four
percent tariff added on top of a twenty percent tariff,

(16:14):
So we're gonna see these kind of goods go up.
So the hit is come to l EPD. Buy the
amble that you want that's made in the foreign countries
before this gets passed on, and and if you're in
the market forard, it may be a chance to get
it now before things happen.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
So that can be a problem.

Speaker 2 (16:30):
You're getting ready for your one hundred made in America sale.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
We should, yeah, we should.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
What manufacturers are are one American components and everything i'd make,
i'd say, use the tariffs to create a big sale,
right you could?

Speaker 3 (16:43):
You know one of the things too, I was we gotten.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
We received emails this week from some of the distributors
on hey, you know, be aware that these are the
manufacturers that might be affected. And for us, we're we
sell predominantly Magtech and SMB when it comes to Range Amo,
we get it directly from them, and that that's on
the list, So there could be a chance that goes up.
The reason we get mag Tech and SMB and sometimes

(17:08):
P and C is because it's less expensive. I mean
it has been less expensive most of the time. When
people come to the Range, they're not brand specific. They
want to you know, as long as there's good quality.
They want to box a nine. And they're looking at
the cost. And traditionally the Americans, one of the Remingtons,
the Federals, and the Winchesters have been higher priced. So

(17:29):
it will be interesting to see how this all shakes
out and stuff. My gut is it's gonna work its
way out. I don't think this is a long term thing.
But you don't know, what do you think, Chuck, I
don't you know as well?

Speaker 2 (17:41):
No, as inconvenient as it might be for a little while.
The world needs our money. That's what it comes down to.
And they will. I mean, Canada is already talking about
backing down. If the US backs down, they'll back down.
Israel said no, no tariffs or US. Yeah, it's give
it a moment. Everybody's in a immediate pairs, right. It

(18:01):
took us a hell of a long time to get
into this shape. Yep, work it out a couple of months,
you'll be okay.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
That's what I figure too. Guys.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Let's jump to a break.

Speaker 1 (18:08):
When we come back on the other side, we'll get
to a little bit more news and a gun of
the week that we're finally going to get to that's
really really neat. It's a competition model, which I usually
don't get too excited about, but it's by Smith and
Wesson and it is really sharp looking. That much more,
we're on talking broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD
Firearms Arranged. We'll be back after the break.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
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Speaker 1 (18:29):
And every time I try to think of something witty.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
When I was young and running around, I wanted to
meet somebody with this nickname who is super tramp? You
eight that's a great band. This is from the Double
Paris Live CD.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Oh I missed that one good, good good band.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
By the way, do you see Johnny Mathis this week,
huh doing his last show eighty eight years old. He
looks like a character from a dick In novel. He's
got long white flowing here now really, and he comes
out there and the music's playing it, I'm like, he
is gonna stink so bad, please don't sing Johnny goes chances.
I'm like, get out of here. Really, it sounds as

(19:12):
good as he sounded thirty years ago.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
You know what I'm stuck on too. He is talking
about old bands here, and we're gonna get to the
end of the week. But I like Colvin John Yeah, okay,
and his concert from I think it's twenty twenty two now,
the last concert ever he did It was in Dodger Stadium.
That's a heck. You talk about an artist. He goes
one song to another song to another song for two
and a half hours. I mean, no break, none of

(19:34):
these young guys that we're gonna take an intermission now
or you know, let me, you know, walk around and
take a break. No, I mean literally, one hit to another,
to another, to another for two and a half hour.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
He's doing a made for TV concert tomorrow night on CBS.
Is he really in streaming on paramount? Where's that gonna be?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
Where's that? Is that? But is their lives?

Speaker 2 (19:51):
So I don't know if I don't think so. I
think it's pre recorded, but it's a it's a live concert,
just recording.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Wow, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Welcome back on talking.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
I'm a hysteric joined today the LAPD Studios. We've got JC,
Chuck and Big Ed all sitting around the table. We're
talking about really anything wen't talk about. You can't talk
about concerts. We can talk concerts, but today we're going
to talk revolvers. Here up shortly before that, though, our
gun of the week, brought to you by our good
friends over at River's Edge Cutlery. Jac. This is a
competition gun, which I typically don't get too excited about,

(20:19):
but they're enormously popular. This one is from Smith and Wesson,
and it's kind of unique for a Smith and Wesson gun.

Speaker 4 (20:25):
Well it is, I mean, it just came out at
the Shot show. They were showing this one. It's got
some glimpse to it, but it's an all serious gun.
I said, you're gonna just pick this up, and it's
got so many of the custom features that people like
top quality guns. And then have this all done and
they decided to go a whole hog. And the people

(20:45):
that shot at the shot show said, it's it's like
the bee's knees.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
It really works well.

Speaker 4 (20:50):
One of the reasons is what makes it unusual because
when you see these, you know, basically plastic fantastic guns
that are out there. Almost everything's got a polym or
frame of some sort. And then Smith and West started
what last year year before, coming out with an aluminum frame,
so a metal frame gun.

Speaker 3 (21:06):
This is an all stainless.

Speaker 4 (21:08):
Steel frame and slide gun including the mag while a
stainless steel so it.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Is a steal gun.

Speaker 4 (21:17):
And if you're used to steal guns, you know that's
got some weight to it. Oh yes, yeah, which means
that it absorbs recoil and doesn't move very much. Matter
of fact, it weighs almost just a Natz eyelash short
of thirty seven ounces, which is two point three one pounds,
so nine milimeter meant for competition, and then competition, you

(21:39):
don't want to waste time reloading your magazines that much.
So it comes with three twenty three round nine milimeter
mags unless you're in California then you have ten round max.
But but yeah, so it is. It is ready to go.
They just hit so much on design. Really is pretty
this this blue finish for this highlights. They call it
a PVD application finished and it's also said, oh it

(22:04):
was this design here.

Speaker 3 (22:05):
I mean they use a fluted barrel.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
The barrel is uh, let's see, it's four and seven
eighths an inch long, almost five inches. The fluting helps
dissipate heat, so it keeps your barrel cool. So now
does it look cool, but it keeps it keeps it.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
And GC look at that container comes in, I mean
the whole package. It's like a Pelican or a plan case.

Speaker 3 (22:28):
It's a it's a first rate case.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
Uh even comes up one of the Smith and Wesson's
newly designed knife in the three magazines.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
That it has. But the case is just I mean
heavy duty, ready to travel.

Speaker 4 (22:41):
Uh So some of the features, I mean, the sites
will co witness with with an optic that you put
on and be having an optic. It'll hold like nine
different optics. It's got a stainless deal cover plate here
you take that off and it also comes with with
attachments adapters, so you can no matter what basically site
that you want, it won't.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
Be able to do that.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
It has a kind of unique semi curved it's like
a flat trigger and a gold curve at the end,
which people seem to really really like, just everything you
need in the competition.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
The grip is just incredible. It comes with forward grip.

Speaker 4 (23:18):
Adapters, very very aggressive, but not to the point what
you want in competition on a hot day.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
And it has all these cutouts. It looks it actually
they saved a lot of weight.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
People thought it'd even be heavier, but they have lightning
cut outs on the top and on the side. It
also comes with a Strike Industries compensator, which is a
lot of competition. A lot of the competitors are using that,
so and.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
JAC the price point on it isn't bad when you're
looking at the competition guns. I mean just over fifteen
hundred dollars brand new with all that so.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Right, and you bought a RGAR gun, you'd spend that
much putting all this stuff on it, right, And they said,
it's really the really.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
What do you think, Edward, you got two seconds? What
do you think something you can get behind?

Speaker 3 (24:02):
No fast enough?

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, well that's pretty quick. Yeah, it's looking.

Speaker 3 (24:08):
I just launched it. It's a looker. Yeah. Nothing that
I would want in my arsenal. Chuck.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
If I was a competition shooter, maybe the weight would
be nice for recoil, but just to own it if
I'm not in competition now, it's too heavy. It's pretty
but it's heavy.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
It's pretty heavy. So guys, we're gonna jump to a
the knees of the bottom of the hour. They want
to come back and talk about revolvers, Edward, I know
you have an old box there, and I'm waiting to
see what's inside of that. I know it has to
be something good. We're all talking to broadcasting live from
the studios of LUPD. Firearms arranged. We'll be back after
the break. You know, guys, I was in such a
good mood. We're kind of lighthearted, having fun today. Now

(24:45):
two things are getting me fired up. Sounded like you
chuck and it right? Yeah, okat yeah, just so so.
During the commercial break, if you happen to be watching
on YouTube, well, Facebook has kicked us off a couple
of week ago and YouTube just now in the middle
of the live stream kicked us off and apparently it
has banned us from live streaming. So John, I guess

(25:08):
we said the word gun, you know, lo and behold,
and then we were talking, uh, this week, we were
listing some stuff out there on eBay, which we do
from time to time, gun parts or little things that
come in. And we listed an old stock for am
Mosbrook twenty two and it you know, it's out there
and stuff. And then my son was listing a beautiful
stock for an N one A and it got banned

(25:32):
from from listing it. And it says because that gun
is a destructive gun meant for you know, harming people.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
Was a stock.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
It was, it was a stock.

Speaker 5 (25:44):
I'm telling you, this liberal penny waste world we're living
in is just getting ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's at least so now.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
We have a stainless steel carrot No, this carrot holds
six siege and this ball thing thing.

Speaker 3 (26:00):
That's a very nice carrotter.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
That's a nice carriage. He has all of those arcs.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Won't rush.

Speaker 5 (26:05):
All the folks that we're watching us on the YouTube
are not going to be able to see the nice
revolvers that we brought it.

Speaker 3 (26:10):
Right, that's fortunate. So we'll just have to describe it.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
I'll try to force it on. I'll try to upload
the video later and see if we can fake them
into thinking that we're talking about vegetables or something. Guys
mentioned in the beginning of the show we wanted to
spend this week talking a little bit about revolvers, and
you know what, they have their roosts back a couple
hundred years jac and we're talking the beginning of the
eighteenth century. And one of the things eighteen hundreds, one

(26:35):
of the things that I found fascinating and doing some
of the research, was cult You know, he was probably
the first revolver that was put into production successful.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Yeah, is that correct? Is that correctly? Was he the first?

Speaker 1 (26:46):
He just said so, yeah, to confirm it now he
was there?

Speaker 4 (26:52):
No, it is, you know it is because it's all
over the world people are working on on this kind
of stuff. Let's face it, after you got done shooting
a single shot pistol, that the best thing that could
be used for as a club unless you had a
chance to reloaded.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
So everybody wanted to help in.

Speaker 1 (27:06):
Eighteen twenty nine, not the forty five, but the Colt
started eighteen thirties and stuff. Samuel Colt started to get
interested into it, get it interested, so he started the company.
He went out of business a couple of years later.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
Yeah, he started in Patterson, New Jersey, and that was
the name of his first gun. It was called the
Patterson because of the location. He claims that he got
the idea coming across the Pacific as a young child
and watching them using where they're raising the anchors, and
by sticking in the polls and walking around and sticking

(27:41):
another one in and walking around to as they raised
anchors from he thought, hey, I got this idea, this
turnstile and he said they could be used, you know,
maybe in a gun. And that's what he and he
made a wooden it's in a museum, but his first thing.
He carved it on the boat on what he would
like the design to be. Other people just said, look,
he probably saw one of the ones from Europe that

(28:03):
was over there and just kind of put two and
two together. Bottom line is he was the first successful
American revolver maker, and the Patterson came out and he
patented in eighteen like thirty five and eighteen thirty six
is when he started making it, and that kind of
kicked everything off. It actually went out of business because

(28:24):
it just wasn't popular until the Mexican War was happening
and one of the folks down there said.

Speaker 3 (28:31):
Hey, your your gun holds six shots versus.

Speaker 4 (28:33):
What we're using down here. We want some. So they
bought some and that that started it off.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
And amazingly, did you know how old Samuel Quot was
when he died forty seven?

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Wow?

Speaker 1 (28:45):
Forty seven Wow?

Speaker 3 (28:46):
That kind of amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
By the way, did he really really looking at it, contributing, well, I.

Speaker 3 (28:51):
Should have kept his he should have kept his gun
and his holster.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
So anyway, so jac in those early years, eighteen forty
nine comes along and they come out with something called
the Colt pocket pistol. Right, oh yeah, Well when.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
They first came out, you know, the big thing was
they wanted them to stop out last word fighting. There
was all sorts of big game out there, but they
wanted something more powerful than the like the patterns, which
was they had minimum grains of powder, you know, a
small size bowler thirty one caliber. And when when Walker,

(29:29):
he was one of the main military leaders out there,
Uh came approach him. He says, look, we need we
need something bigger out there and they shoot long distance.
We're fighting Indians and nets. And so they came up
with this the gun called the Walker. They made a
thousand of them. The Irony here. It was an eighteen
forty seven.

Speaker 3 (29:48):
So that was it was the most powerful.

Speaker 4 (29:51):
Handgun ever made until the three fifty seven magnum came
out in nineteen thirty five.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Really that long.

Speaker 4 (29:57):
It held sixty grains of black powder when everything else
was using twenty thirty grains, and it was in forty
four caliber, and so he named it the Cult Walker.
The already is he received them in two weeks after
he got his pair of them, he.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
Was killed in a battle that they were fighting.

Speaker 4 (30:16):
But anyway, that's what kind of kicked things off, and
people said, this is great, but it weighs five pounds
and we need something, and that is when he started
reducing him so he'd get the holster size because they
were carrying on horses and pulling them out, and that's
what they were using them for is multiple shots ten
rounds or twelve rounds when you think about it on
the go. But people said, O Bay, I'm not carrying

(30:37):
a five pound and that's when he started to downsizes.
And then so the pocket models were the most popular
model made in America until they like nineteen twenties, I
mean they ever made them.

Speaker 3 (30:49):
They were fabulous.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
So one of the ones here too, and unfortunately we
were not showing up there on YouTube anywark. The one
of the ones here as an example we have is
a cult eighteen forty nine pack model. What's unique to
this one? And I just love the history on this.
If you notice on the bottom it says Bolt City
Police and what this was in the eighteen fifties Baltimore.

(31:12):
Up until that time, any police agency across the country,
if you carried a firearm, you just you brought with
it with you what you had.

Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
And in the eighteen fifties Baltimore said, you know what,
we think we should be more universal in what our
guys are carrying. And so it was the first agency
to purchase a uniformed firearm for their officers.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
And this was it. And in the United States, Yeah,
they had big pockets then.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
Well exactly what I was thinking. Well, and it's true,
ed because back then some of those they weren't carrying
them in holsters. I mean you carried him in like
a nice watch, and you know, the ability to shoot
through the code or whatever else it was, you know,
sitting there with your hand on the gun while you're
talking to someone or whatever the case may be. But
it's neat to see back then, and you you they

(32:00):
had to be thrilled coming off of something that was
a single shot, knowing that, you know, they had the
ability to fire several round thirty one and.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
That's what do you have runs for it?

Speaker 1 (32:11):
No, but just black powder?

Speaker 3 (32:13):
Black powder.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
What's unique about this one is not dig it off
on a tangent. This one. I actually have the badge
of that time too, from the eighteen fifties.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
This is really special because he has.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And also and I need to go pull this out,
as it's been a watch since I've looked at it.
I have the original receipt from Baltimore, the City of
Baltimore when they ordered the guns from Colt.

Speaker 4 (32:37):
The original paper receipt eighteen probabli.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
We should get some caps and balls and shoot it.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
You probably could. I mean it's still.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Water quality firearms.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
And this is just my favorite one because I always
liked that it was just a miniaturized version of one
of their big heavy duty guns and something that you could.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
Carry cylinder drop on this. I mean, I'm looking at
the mechanics of it. It almost looks like the barrel.

Speaker 3 (33:03):
The bill comes off. Yeah, you slide the barrel forward,
take the barrel.

Speaker 4 (33:06):
Off, pull off the cylinder, and that's how you can
do it. You can load it and then you put
it back on. And if you ever watch out well
Law Josie Whales, that's a really good representation because the
fast way to reload dose was carry extra cylinders on
pouches and take the barrel off and just slap on.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
A new complete a cylinder.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, you get to see him do that, because that
is what they really.

Speaker 5 (33:27):
Did on the front. Then once they put the ball
in there and they put the grease in the hole.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
But this this is this is to jib it in.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
There's a there's a little gap here which you can't
see on uh yeah, but so you you you put
the powder in.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
So you put the powder off to the side. There's
a little area here.

Speaker 4 (33:44):
You put the powder in, then you put the ball
on top of that and then you wind this up
and you cramp it all down and then you put
a little grease dab on there to keep everything from
all firing at the same time.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
And that is that's just how it works.

Speaker 4 (33:59):
So it's the cock that allows us to to turn
and uh, you know, allow you to do it, put
it over, do that mechanical process and and uh and
seems like well that's latle boy's right, but you get
five shots. Well other than that, it was like shoot,
do the whole process. Shoot, do the whole process. So
this was really uh the GCS.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
As the eighteen hundred went along, then the flipout cylinder
and the or the top break probably came first. Right, Well, yeah,
so how it worked.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Yeah, there's a let me.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
So so what Smith and Smith and Watson was the
first one to uh really uh take a vantage of
the cartridge aspect of it. So they're still shooting the
black powder. Uh, some of them had top straps. In
the Civil War, the Rummington eighteen fifty eight was actually
superior to Colt's production and was actually a little cheaper.

(34:52):
But uh, but Colt used the ladies of the night
to convince the generals that really you should buy Colt here.
So I have big parties, and they said he was
just an incredible Ptpartam salesman type.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Of guy, and yeah, there you go.

Speaker 4 (35:05):
But anyway, they keep improving every model they came out
with the beauty. What I like about the forty nine
was it evolved to a little bit bigger.

Speaker 3 (35:16):
Gun the eighteen fifty one.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Navy, which is probably one of the finest cults has
ever invented, and that went on to be a little
bit bigger, and then forty four caliber to the eighteen
sixty that was used in the you know, the Civil
War era, and it just kept taking off. So Smith
and Wesson was the first one to use a cartridge
gun though where you didn't have to do that, and
it was in twenty two because that was the twenty

(35:41):
two win. Now we'd call it the short it was
just called the twenty two rim Fire. And like you said,
it was a tip over barrel because they just needed
to reload these quickly, so you unlashed it, tip the
barrel over, pulled the cylinder out, pop up, pop up,
pop stick it back on and pull it down and latch.
So those were like the Smith and Wesson their Model
one and then the one and a half in the
two and the things got bigger than the Model three

(36:03):
was in had that forty five schofield around and just
that the tipover ones weren't quite as strong. And actually
that was a tip down so when I said tip over,
but that one bent down and you could pull the
rounds out and put them back in. But they just
weren't as strong. As as as weapons became more powerful,

(36:26):
they needed that top strap on there.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
So and so JC, this one here is a cult.
I think it's a cult lightning maybe you know from
the eighteen eighties. I believe this one as they started
to evolve. You see the cylinder. Actually it's like.

Speaker 3 (36:43):
Eighteen seventy eight. That was the first double action revolver
the right and they were complating back then. Oh yeah,
this one.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
If we just see on the butt strap there and
if you can read that Betorpolitan Police Department of DC.
So in the eighth teen eighties, this is what the
officers in DC were walking around with. So the revolver,
I mean really, I mean it was the thing, and
it was the thing. It was a step one law
enforcement until probably the eighties. Oh yeah, I mean in

(37:14):
the nineties.

Speaker 4 (37:15):
Did you know that your Papa's not here, but the
Model ten EXECU Model fourteen that was still being issued.
It finally came out of issue as a revolver in
nineteen ninety five in the military.

Speaker 3 (37:29):
Really yeah, it was still issued, Joey.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
But that's a lot of dead space above the grip.
What was the function there?

Speaker 3 (37:36):
What was that.

Speaker 1 (37:38):
So oh like up here?

Speaker 2 (37:40):
Yeah, I know, they just shove forward like that. You
could have made it a much more compact, pocket accessible
I have gun if they.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
Had to have all the you know it was.

Speaker 4 (37:49):
It was known to be very fragile, but it was
a double action and probably one of the most famous
outlaws to carry it was John Wesley Harding.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
He liked and they had.

Speaker 4 (37:58):
The Lightning and then they had the Thunderer and it
basically it was just a bigger caliber, same gun.

Speaker 1 (38:03):
But look at that firing pin. I mean, that firing
pin is such a well late, very prominently, very very prominent. Yeah,
versus versus today. So jc turn of the century comes
New York City issues their police department. I think the
maybe the cult police positive. I think through Foderal Roosevelt
somewhere around that time.

Speaker 4 (38:22):
Positive and they've had a police positive in the black
powder days as one of the pocket guns that that
that they had the pocket police but it was but yeah,
but you said when it came out with the police
positive at the same time, ammunition's developing. You know, when
you have these black powder, it's just not as powerful
as the smokeless powder. Smokeless powder came out in eighteen
eighty four, but wasn't really accessible to the United States.

(38:45):
It was invented by Paul Viannel in France. But now
in the eighteen eighties they started going, hey, this is
more powerful. We can use the same thing we steals,
We're a big thing. The production Actually that happened even
in the black black powder cult days, that they could
make things bigger. They would take a gun that was
small and find out, hey, we can make.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
A bigger cylinder for it.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
And now because the steels are better and it's not
going to blow up, and we can make it a
bigger caliber. And they did that all the way along.
So this progression that came up, and the thirty eight Special,
which came out at the turn of the century was
one of the first, you know, powerful guns. And matter
of fact, that was the police gun from literally eighteen

(39:25):
eighty eighteen ninety eight and the eighteen ninety nine Smith
and Wesson became. Matter of fact, if you're looking up
the eighteen ninety nine Smith and Wesson, a hand ejector
model is the Model ten.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
They just renamed it.

Speaker 4 (39:37):
I mean, in nineteen fifty seven they started using model
numbers instead of names, And.

Speaker 1 (39:42):
I mean look at that run, almost a ninety year
run with the revolvers being the chosen side arm of
the law enforcement and civilians and so forth. So, guys,
let's up to a break. When we come back on
the other side, we're going to talk about the modern
revolver and why you need to stop buying. Check some
of these out and maybe put one in your collection.
We're gong talking a bucket life from the studios of
LPD Firearms Arrange. We'll be back after the break.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
I could put a lot of dints in your car.
You think hail is bad when it's raining? Men, man,
you get no chance. Yeah, I'm your with a girl
for you twenty twenty five. I can do that now.

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Welcome back to Ontario.

Speaker 1 (40:21):
I think I've lost I lost control about twelve ten
Chuck a Broadcasting Life from the studios of LPD farms
are ranged before we go in. Before that, got to
give a shout out my cousin birthdays between Jackie and Texas.
They're listening to move here, so we tried to convince
them to yextos Firecracker. Gotta give them a shout out,
so jac In our final minutes here we have a

(40:42):
sale going on. Why would somebody consider a modern day revolver?
A lot of the young guys walk around here.

Speaker 3 (40:49):
Like, ew, not a revolver.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
I mean you look at capacity ramatic.

Speaker 3 (40:52):
Everybody seems to want that.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
But the capacity, even if you know some of these
modern ones, you have five or six rounds that you
know still the thinking is a shootout or a self
defense scenario? You know, three round, three yards, three seconds,
you know certainly capable of that. The thirty eight specials
still up there. What do you have there, Edward? I
have a little gun, classic classic Model thirty six.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
How do you have that?

Speaker 5 (41:19):
I got this from a very special friend of mine
who retired from State Highary Patrol. Really he purchased a
new when he got him out of the academy.

Speaker 3 (41:29):
Wow, it's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
I mean Model thirty six is the J frame Smith
and wesson. It is the staple on mini ankles of
officers over the years is detectives.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I'll let you hold it.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
So why would you want one of these? Okay, here's
why you would want one. A couple of reasons. Number one, reliability.
There's a lot of people, you know. It takes twice
as long to train the police on a summer automatic
as it did with the revolver. They're very simple, they're reliable.
If something happens, you pull the trigger to done, go off,
you can just pull it again.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
With some automatics, like what's wrong is a magazine?

Speaker 4 (41:59):
Not see not run around the cheap and you're going
through this in an emergency situation, it's just kind of
better to go boom, boom, boom, pull the trigger and
there you go. It's also in the winter time. I
carry a hammerless actually two hammerless revolvers. What they say
the fastest reload is a second gun, and it balances

(42:20):
it out and you can shoot. It's the only thing
you can shoot more than one time through a coat
pocket on We talked about that even last week with
a hoodie guy who had it in there. And if
it doesn't have a hammer, if it has a hammer
can get caught on anything in there and block it.
But other than that, we used to do some testing
and training and we'd just shoot cap pocketld be flying everywhere.
But we'd get these cheap coats and we'd be firing

(42:41):
right through them. And so that's not.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
It is true.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
I mean it's it's it is true.

Speaker 3 (42:45):
It's not.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
As long as that cylinder can turn, is much more
reliable than a Semido in a pocket or similar scenario
because they have to.

Speaker 4 (42:52):
Cycle the You can change the kind of AMMO too,
you know, if you're like a hap, Hey, I've got
a couple couple snake arounds, I want to stick those
in there, you can determine which one you have, and
a somewhile automatic you have to figure out where they
are in the column or have a separate magazine contained
with it.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
So it's reliability, and anybody, even.

Speaker 4 (43:08):
If you're not trained, has seen enough things to know
that you can point and pull the trigger and defend
yourself with it.

Speaker 3 (43:14):
So that is one of the reasons. The other reason
is the power you have.

Speaker 4 (43:18):
A ten milimeters are pretty powerful realm. It's it's been
many a few people carried for self defense. But it's
a powerful round, but in a revolver. Yeah, the most
powerful handgun rounds in the world, so it has much more.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
It's just much more sturdy.

Speaker 4 (43:33):
And if you go up in Alaska, they're not carrying
some automatics. They're carrying Smith and Wessons in four to
sixty magnum, five hundred magnum. You know, they're just very,
very powerful. Exception of the fifty American Express. People go, oh,
it's probably yes, yes it is, but not as powerful
as the other forty four magnums. The three fifty seven magnum,

(43:55):
it's just there.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Well, you can get that in a in a h anyway.
That's where the th Q jc rful, simple, reliable, uh,
And we talk about it.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
You know, if someone is looking for a fire for
self defense or maybe the range, and I asked them,
I said, are you planning on coming to the range periodically?
And we get a lot of people, no, No, I
just want something just in case you'll probably stay in
my drawer and never come out. And I really tell
them to look hard at the revolver. You can put
this in your drawer if you're not a gun person,
and a year from now go in that drawer and

(44:25):
pick it up and know what you're doing versus semi
auto sometimes or chuck.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I would if a revolver is gonna be your primary, actually,
you need to spend more time on the range, I
believe true. I mean you got five six shots, yep,
you better be accurate if you're going to use that weapon. True,
So I would say I'd watch you on the range
even more if you have a revolver as a primary.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
Yeah, that's it's a valid argument.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
We just see some people coming in the door and
they're struggling with Okay, when I rack, the slide is
around in the chaper how do I know if a
rounds in the chamber if I take the magazine out,
is it safe? Well, you still have one in the chamber.
I mean there's simplicity, some simple elegance to it. So
a great sale going on right now, and.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
You can adjust the recoil level you want with many
of these guns. For example that the three twenty seven
maximum will.

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Hold five different rounds.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
I just saw them shooting thirty two auto because it's
got a rim on it through three twenty seven and
thirty two short, thirty two long, thirty two wide, Cutter,
thirty two.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
H barbecue shrimp and you got your pocon shrimp. And yeah, guys,
thanks for sending the last hour with us. Stop by
and see us. Is a great sale going on right
now with the Revolvers. See us next week we will
be here and as always, let's be careful out there, oh,