Making the decision to own a firearm

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wow, what a crazy two weeks. The iconic Bill Wilson
on our show, and then last week we welcomed Columbus
City Prosecutor Cleined to the program. Certainly an on target
worth going back and listening to if you missed it
last week. This week though, this week though, well we
just need to get caught up on some really really

(00:20):
important news. And today it's just JC and me on Target.
It's up next, Welcome on Talking. We're broadcasting live from
the studios of LPD Firearms Range and Training Facility that's
located at nine nine nine Triple nine, Bethel Road. I'm
your host, Eric along today with my good friend jac. Jac.
Not quite the crowd last week, I mean, not quite

(00:43):
the crowd.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
But today so I think a lot of people are
hugging that TV.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
That's okay, that's okay, Yeah, they're considering the games on
and stuff. But wow, last week I couldn't believe. I mean,
it was literally lined up to the door. It was.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
It was great. We have not seen that kind of
a crowd before, but yeah, but it was worthy, it
was worthy. It definitely work to have our guests on
with us.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yep, guys, we are the owners of LPD Firearms Range
and training facility in our active in law enforcement, but
for one hour each week put together a group of
firearm experts to discuss new products in the market, training tips,
and oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commitment, though,
has always been to bring you facts about our industry
and help customers and listeners with safe, responsible ownership of firearms. Guys,

(01:24):
I'm gonna have to excuse us a little bit. I
know out there listening on the radio, you're not seeing this,
but we just got delivered a dozen donuts from our
good friends here at the Mochi shop and the Coffee
Coin who is right here in our complex. Jac, you
got to try one. It's within sniffing distance. It's right next.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's really very great job.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
It is very difficult during the week, though, I tell
you so. I'll let you smell them right now, Jac,
and then if you need to dive in there and
make a mess.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
These are not your average donuts. I mean everything he
makes is specialized.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yeah, they do the k and the girls over there
they do a great, great job. So guys, let's see
today I got JC here and uh, Jac, I am
really excited about the gun of the week this week.
You know, you and I were talking about it, and
I was talking to my son Luke before and his
I think his words were, we found we found a

(02:24):
word that wasn't in the dictionary. And what he was
referring to is when I said, j C, how about
this gun of the week, here's the.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Caliber, and and you said, don't I know how I
missed it or else? I thought it was. I don't remember,
but I may have because it's a long time ago.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
We have found a word not in the dictionary.

Speaker 2 (02:44):
Jac I think that's a gun dictionary.

Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yeah, there you go. But that's going to be coming
up here shortly. And uh man that that is part
of an estate sale that is going to be available
probably next week. Any think about this too. This one
comes with actually some ammunition, which is once you hear
what it is, is going to be definitely needing of
this one, guys. Uh, coming off of two great weeks,

(03:08):
Bill Wilson, I still can't we didn't give it enough credence.
Last week Bill Wilson called in.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
He was like a younger I won't say childhood, but
a youthful hero of mine back when he was in
you know, in competition, and we both had different colored hair,
different weights and all that kind of stuff. But he
was the real deal and he was so good, so
many competitors came after his guns that he had that
he just said, you know what, this is only going
to do.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
And I had to. I think I mentioned it last week,
but he sent a very nice email afterwards and he says, hey,
you can I come back on some other time? Wasn't
that Yeah, let me check the schedule down.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Absolutely. And then last week guys Zach Klein Klemas City
Attorney or Clemas City prosecutor rather, and great conversation, A
great conversation. I spoke to him afterwards. He had a
great time, a great first step. Of course, we had
people saying we were too soft on him, but the
goal was never to sit here and and you know,
badger him about stuff. We want to try to come

(04:06):
up with common ground and make some difference.

Speaker 2 (04:08):
We wanted dialogue.

Speaker 1 (04:10):
And I tell you what, after our conversation, I think
he wouldn't hesitate to pick up the phone the next
time they are going to go for a magazine ban
or something and say hey, what do you think? And
just jac just like we see so many times, not
a gun guy, I mean not a gun guy. Not
anti gun, but not a gun guy. And just in
our casual conversations, I think he learned some stuff that

(04:35):
he wouldn't otherwise know.

Speaker 2 (04:36):
I agree with you on that. I just it's just
unfortunate the Democratic Party is taking a stance and we
know wonderful people in the Democratic Party that they just
wouldn't support anymore because they supported firearm ownership. So that's
what kind of concerns me. But hopefully that's our goal
was to make inroads, have dialogue and see.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
Absolutely yeah, and learn something from him.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
You know, next time they go to do something, I'll
pick up the phone and give you a call and say, okay,
just tell me your thoughts on this, and maybe, you know,
we can then plant some you know, good honest gun
safety right issues that don't affect law abiding people but
maybe affect the criminals.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
So right, absolutely so, we thank you him again for
jumping on last week and hoping to have him on
in the near future as well. This week though, got
some big news from Geez many fronts that is worth
to listen to. We didn't get to him the last
couple of weeks. Of course the really neat gun in
the week, and then at twelve thirty, twelve thirty, we
kind of have something unique coming up. We have a

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young person who I've happened to know most of his life.
I think this point by now at least a good
portion of it. He's a young adult now and on
his own. We had a conversation the last couple of
days and he said, you know what, I think it's
time for me to purchase the firearm. I said, really,
I said, what has got you to that conclusion? You know,
it was fascinating. It's neat to see the younger generation

(05:57):
coming to that conclusion, not being you know, not us
forcing something to him, but him coming to that conclusion
on his own. So we're going to talk to our
good friend, good friend of the family and Hunter coming
up here at twelve thirty and hear what he has
to say. I'm going to thank our sponsors, US law Shield,
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next couple of weeks, so they have some things coming up,
so with Joe King will be on with us too.
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(06:53):
I got their their newsletter again yesterday and so many
things that I wanted. They had a spider coat, little
native lock, brown g ten knife. It was awesome. I
hate even opening the emails because there's always something I
want to know.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
You want to open your wallet as you open up
the email.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
That's one of the.

Speaker 2 (07:11):
Things I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
I'm gonna I don't think Lori is listening. I'm gonna
start forwarding those to her. Christmas is around the corner there.

Speaker 2 (07:18):
Yeah, fotuff.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
So yeah, dropping some guys. If you missed the show,
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(07:40):
can send us an email on Target at l e
PD dot com. Let's see what else we've got, Jon JC,
there is so much news. I will let you The
Glock stuff is top of mind for me. I don't
know if you want to start with that.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, it is because it's the largest gun manufacturers or
as being sales go in the United States, so that's important.
So just briefly mentioned like a headline last week. Didn't
have enough time to get into it. But you have
to be under rock to realize that Glock just all
of a sudden on It was first leaked on October twentieth,
so not that long ago that they just announced that

(08:13):
they're going to discontinue all of their models, their current models,
discontinue all of them except for three. They're slim line versions,
which are the smaller guns with the smaller capacity, the
Model forty three, the forty three X and the Model
forty eight, which are basically concealed carrier kind of in
the pants kind of guns. But all the rest of them,
and it included they still make Gen three's and Gen

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four's for some of the states, all fifty four. They've
canceled all of them. The last shipments will go out
at actually November thirtieth, but they are no longer making them.
They're all discontinued, and like, WHOA, what's going on. Well,
they're coming out with a newer glock called the Glock V.
So the new version is the Glock V. So and

(08:58):
you're going, okay, so that's not a big Well, the
big deal is I mean, again, discontinued fifty four. But
they're only replacing them with a few. So the commercial models,
so we're talking about with those that are to the public,
not necessary to the military or police officers. But the
commercial models will be the Glock seventeen V. These are
all nine milimeters, the seventeen V, the nineteen V, the

(09:20):
nineteen XV, the forty five V in the smaller compact
G twenty six V. Those are the only that's only
five period. That's what they're going to make. A nine
millimeter only one and ten milimeter the twenty V and
it is an MOS, which is their modular optic system.
That just one of those. They're making two forty calibers,
the twenty three V into twenty three V MOS, and

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then the forty five caliber model twenty one they're making
one of those and then the twenty two calibers, So
they're going to have a G forty four V. So
when you look about it, they canceled fifty four, they're
going to be making six, seven, eight, nine, ten f gone.
Everything has gone except the ones I just mentioned. It's
crazy and we're here in two j C.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
Just to jump on that is that the MOS versions
of these aren't going to be available to probably first
quarter next year next year, thereby giving a very large
gap here of MOS blocks not being available, and we're
in the process of securing some. We have some non
MOS blocks right now, but and the price is okay,

(10:27):
but we anticipate that going up shortly.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Oh that's no, that's and when you when you knock
out those three moms, that means there's seven models available
outside of the slim Line. Slim Line is not going
to have any V that's going to remain the same.
They've not been discontinued. Now there are some distributor exclusive ones,
and uh it's they three of them are compensated, and
those are the the the nineteen V compensated, the forty

(10:52):
five V compensated, the seventeen V compensated, and they are
going to have a nineteen X which they make in
mos in a threaded barrel. So those are but those
are distributor exclusive. So bottom line is, what in the
heck is going on? What brought this up? Well, I

(11:13):
think most people are aware that a lot of the
progressive states are looking at any reason to shut down
any gun company period. And what they have found now
these clocks, which have been made since nineteen eighty two
is when they were available with no real significant internal
changes at all. But somebody in the last few years

(11:35):
has come up with a way saying, hey, we can
make a switch to defeat their trigger system, and we
can pop off the endplate, put it on, and now
it becomes a fully automatic totally illegal, and if we're illegal, criminally,
even possessing the switch without the gun is a federal offense.
But yet they have done this and now with three

(11:57):
D printers stuff is out there, and now some of
the the thugs out there have been doing this, and
therefore they're suing Clock saying that, oh, you made this
on purpose. He made a defect made they're on purpose.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
So at eighty two they have the foresight to say, man,
we're going to set the seed and in twenty twenty
this is going to really come to fruition.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
So they have a lot of the states. California, I
think we mentioned a couple of weeks ago, just signed
a first of its kind of bill banning the future
sale of all glocks in the state. So they have
done that. But here's the big kicker, which is, you know,
obviously is construed states have unlimited money because that's your
taxpayer dollars that they're using. So they have decided to

(12:39):
not join together but separately file twelve states have separately
filed lawsuits against Glock twelve. I mean, you can go
down to the West California, you know, Connecticut, Delaware, Messages
of main Maryland, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, Oregon, District of Columbia, California,
have we mentioned, and so and then several cities. And
what they're trying to do is just the death of

(13:00):
a thousand cuts, and it would cost millions and millions
of dollars for Glock to try to defend themselves. So
they've been in the crosshairs and so what they've done.
I think the only thing they could realize is when
the lawsuits went against Remington. Remington the biggest manufacturer since
eighteen sixteen, United States gone. Now it's totally gone. They

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bankrupt them. Polymer eighty another company was bankrupted by the
States finding these lawsuits that cost millions of dollars to defend,
and they went out of business. So now they're aimin
at Glock. So glocks the only thing they could probably
do is try to do something. So they said, okay,
we're going to stop making what we did and we're
going to come up with a firearm that is much much,
much harder to try to make fully automatic. And honestly,

(13:47):
you could probably make any gun out there fully automatic
if you did enough machining and did enough other stuff,
but won't be taking the glock switches. And they call
this the v So this is now it's going to be,
they said, shipping to dealers on December December. First. Of course, again,
we're only talking about you know what, seven models now
that they're going to have out there, but they're not

(14:08):
making any of the others. They will support them, and
the others are becoming very very popular now that no
one knows anything about the new one, how they're going
to work, so what they think is going to happen,
and these are people seem to have inside information of
what is the difference. Well, you won't be able to
pop off the sideplate and do anything. The trigger systems
off to the side. Glock came out and in twenty

(14:29):
three with their own glock performance trigger. It was never
meant to be installed by the factory, so none of
the glocks. You can't order the glock with this. It's
an accessory, just like new you know, new magazine or
new anything. But you could get this and have a
glock authorized gunsmith install this clock performance trigger. So the

(14:51):
rumor our thought is that they'll probably take that and
maybe incorporate that into the into the new glock and
make that the standards trigger. However, people who have used
it said, oh, yes, well it's it's fine, but it
gets dirty or quicker, and some people said they've had
to clean their block out there about eighty rounds of falling.
So they can also they can always make the tolerance

(15:12):
this looser, but who knows what they're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
But it's just disturbing. I mean, I continue to go back.
I feel like, and of course this is outside looking
in that glock is caving to it. And certainly the
anti gun folks and organizations are chalking this up as
a win. I mean they are outwardly saying it. I
had one quote from a council member I think this
is in California. He said, don't be fooled. We're seeking

(15:38):
to ban one firearm at a time to dismantle our
constitutional rights. I mean there it is.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
This like you said, this is it. I mean every
town and they claim that they are the reason for
this victory. They celebrated this. And by the way, every
Town for Gun Safety is the nation's largest gun control group.
I mean it's the biggest, and they had this big
celebration just saying that they were the impetus behind it,
and they are the ones who guided all of these

(16:06):
states and how to file these separate lawsuits. And the
thing is, they said it's not over, just like you're
alluding to, it's it's they said, okay, great, they said,
this shows that they have accountability. They're now admitting it
by making new ones. So it's not over yet. There's
all these millions of blocks out there that are done

(16:28):
on the old system, and they could continue.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
All right, there's millions and millions and millions. This is
not going to do anything for the tug on the street.

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Just showed the clock. Knew that, you know, because now
they've fixed it and look at and you know, of
course they build it up and they said, just look
at the scope of damage done, the lives loss, community
shattered while they sat on their hands, and did you see.
That's why this could be a bad thing for block.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
This is not going to have any effect to the
thugs on the street. The only way that's going to
be stopped at these judges and these prosecutors doing their job,
and we see that just doesn't happen, and jac listen
them to a break. When we get to the other side,
we're going to talk a little bit about more news,
talk a little bit about a really really neat gun
of the week. Man, I just can't seem to get
out of my brain. We're on Target broadcasting live from
the studios of LPD Farms arrange. We'll be back right

(17:13):
after the break. We'llcome back on target. I'm Misterreic joined
to the LAPD studio. It is just JC and I
for another couple of minutes. We're gonna have a guest
coming up here soon. JC. It is killing me with
these donuts. They drop them off from the donut shop
next door. You gotta go try one the Mochi shop donuts.

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah, they are gives. Are not regular donuts. Soon as
you see them, they are. They're absolutely incredible.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Everyone speaking of munchies and stuff. There is some news
Jac that is is this disturbing.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
It's it's actually scary. I mean, we all know that
AI is coming, and unfortunately there's a lot of bad
with it. And here's one example. Uh arm police swarm
a student at school after AI mistakes his bag of
Dorito's for a weapon. Uh now, this is the big

(18:01):
deal of that in Baltimore. Apparently in Baltimore, in their county,
they have this AI program to for in all their
schools that is looking at you all the time to
see who could have a firearm. But so concerns over
the surveillance AI in schools is intensifying after armed officers
swarmed a sixteen year old student outside of Kenwood High

(18:22):
School in Baltimore when the AI gun detection system falsely
flagged his bag of Dorito's as a firearm. Now this
may seem like a ha ha ha, but this guy
that he was, Taki Allen, was hanging out with friends
after football practice when all of a sudden they looked
up and saw eight police cars swarmed them, and armed

(18:43):
officers came out shouting at him, you know, get on
the ground, get on the ground. What he's looking at them?
He said, made me get on my knees, hands behind
his back and with guns pointed at him. His friends
in amazement that they had guns pointing at him as
they handcuffed him, and then they wanted to do a
search and they found an empty bag of Dorito's. So

(19:06):
he's like, what am I gonna die? Are they gonna
kill me? I mean, he was truly just frightened. And
they showed him the picture that the AI took and said, oh,
this this looks like a gun. He goes the bag
of chips, But he was really just he said, I
feel afraid to go back to school. So this crumpled
Trido bag, So it's part of the Omni Alert. Never

(19:26):
heard of that company. Omni Alert's gun detection technology was
introduced in Barbarmore County public schools last year. It scans
existence surveillan footage and alerts police in real time when
it detects what it believes is a weapon. So this
is happening out there, and they admitted, well, it's a
false positive. But for the kid, can you imagine your
son daughter on the farm, handcuff in front of a

(19:48):
gunpoint and they said, and they said, no one even
talked to me about it. He didn't as well, if
you need counselors over the people who observed it, and
then will furnish those But no one apologized. They said,
it's just protocol. So this kind of gives you an
idea what's going on with IA and the surveillance tools.
But this I found as part of the article is
at the very end saying that IA technology is permeating everywhere,
and it said earlier this month. Kind of not related

(20:11):
to the student, but Major General William Hank Taylor is
one of the top officers in the US Army. Matter
of fact, he's over the troops in South Korea. He
admitted to using chat GPT to make key military military decisions,
using AI and running all these different very scenarios because
he said, in the future, it's not gonna be people

(20:32):
sitting behind desks, It's going to be instantaneous decisions that
are made. The problem is is that they found out
that China can have access to this, and so China
could be watching all of his military exercises and keeping
track of all this. So this AI stuff is just
terminating everywhere, and this is really really scary.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
Seee, we got about let's see, we have about three
minutes left. I think let's touch on that Supreme Well.

Speaker 2 (21:00):
It's it's it's kind of a big I mentioned last week.
It's the first time the two hundred and thirty sixth
year of our Supreme Court that they have heard two
Second Amendment cases in the same year. So this one
was it was pushed forward by the Department of Justice.
There's another court case that they are going to hear,

(21:23):
Wolford versus Lopez, which is a separate challenge to Hawaii's
concealed carry restrictions, but this one involves possessions of firearms
and possession of drugs. And again it kind of jumped
to the forefront through the Department of Justice and they
announced that okay, they will hear the case sometime next year.
And this stems from charges against Ali Daniel Hamani, who

(21:48):
was found with drugs in a gun during an FBI
raid and FBI raid not just the police rate and
they later admitted to and he later admitted to regularly
using marijuana. So basic the fact that he regularly admitted
to it, and he had a firearm, and of course
on the on the forums federal forms, it says a
user of drugs, including you know, marijuana, this is you know,

(22:09):
you just can't do it. But so the Fifth Panel
agreed that the federal prohibition was unconstitutional as it applied
to him. So they already have the Fifth Circuit Court
saying nope, he's okay, he's not a regular user, you know,
you know, this shouldn't affect his Second Amendment rights. But
the Department of Justice has kind of rolled something else

(22:29):
into it, although it's not in the chargers. They claim
that he's linked to the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, a designated
terrorist group by the United States, and they're going to
decide how much those accusations, if at all, apply to
this this being but you know it comes up. This
is not just you know, an assumption. He went over

(22:50):
to Iran with his family to mourn the death of
the general over there who was in charge of the terrorists.
As matter of Factur's mother's caught on TV over there
saying she wants his son to become a martyr. And
this is the same guy who they found with guns
and drugs. FBI is asserting that he's selling drugs to
help finance this, but there's not that's not part of

(23:11):
the case. Is attorney saying, no, no, this is just
the fact that he has marijuana. Yet he also had
amphetamine and cocaine. But he was using you know, the marijuana,
and he has a gun. So they're trying to just
say it's already been rele lower that it shouldnt affect
his second moendment, right, So, but this is the big deal.
Pending on how they go down, could really affect when
does get hurt. It's gonna be the first quarter of

(23:33):
next year some time, so okay, so it is on
the schedule, so uh definitely want to watch why we
will keep you apprized of how this one goes.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
Guys, we are gonna jump to the bottom of the
hour news, maybe catch up to see how the bucks
are doing. And on back on the other side, we're
gonna have a good family friend jumping on with us
talk about his his decision to consider maybe purchasing a
firearm and how he got there, and Chris Morris, more
Gun of the week and more news. I'll TALKO broadcasting

(24:04):
live from the studios of l EPD Firearms and Range.
We'll be back after the break. Welcome back to on Target.
I'm Here's Eric joined in the LAPD studios. That's a
nine nine nine, triple nine Bethel Roade. If you've never
been here before, I don't know why you haven't. It's
JC and I here. And if you're watching on Facebook
and YouTube, you see another guest has snuck on the
scene talk about being drug on JC. You know he's

(24:25):
in town visiting. Hey, mister, coming up shortly. We're gonna
talk to a good family friend who is looking to
purchase his first fire army. I was really intrigued on
why why now? For that though, I got to give
a shout out. Spencer Badger are a good friend who
you know, we've talked about many times here on the show.
He was the officer who does a lot of those

(24:46):
bodycam videos. Got fired from CPD. Okay, we knew that
six months ago, and stuff arbitrator reinstated this week with
back pay. He's back on the street.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, just because that was so wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know the thing too, and he's he's going to
join us one of these future weeks too. The thing
that really irks me, I guess on this is he's
such a good guy doing good intentions, work good intended
to work out there, but yet this this disgrace that
we see out there on video a month ago, that

(25:24):
officer who was in that fight at the bar and
pushed a fellow officer. I believe it's still on the force.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
Yeah, they didn't care about that, still on the force.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
I mean that's the face, that's what we I mean
my opinion, there should be nothing else for that officer
at CPDN done. You don't act like that and call
yourself an officer and this officer yeah no. But but
but yet they come down on Spencer. So I'm sure
we'll talk about that and much more when he comes
on here at some point another thing too, I had.

(25:58):
I had an opportunity JC, I tell you this, but
I talked to Mom's Demand Action this week. Yeah, what
do you expect, you know, zach Lyne. Last week my
Mom's demand action. For those of you don't know, look
it up. Mom's Demand Action is no friend of the
gun owner. But I was sitting there. I was testifying

(26:18):
in at the Ohio House this week. I didn't even
tell you that.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
I Hello, I have a phone.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
I was testifying for Centerbill two seventy three, and that's
the one we've talked about before. It would you know,
suicides are such a big part of firearms unfortunately, and
ourselves and Black Wing and and actually Advance as well.
We're very much all a part of this lifeside Ohio
trying to do things to identify people who are going

(26:48):
through mental crisis. And so this bill would be one
where if somebody has a firearm and they feel like
they're going through a difficult time, they could simply drop
that firearm off at a gun store and the store
would hold it for them until they got back on
their feet and everything else. So they I had an
opportunity to testify on this bill, and as I was

(27:09):
sitting there waiting, I was sitting next to a mom's
demand action. Now you know, they never they they they're
proud of what they're with, and so she had on
the bright red shirt and stuff. So at some point,
you know, me, jac at some point I had to say,
would you ever consider coming on a radio show? And
her first thing was what kind of radio show? I said,

(27:29):
We're a gun store, and she kind of sat back
in her seat a little bit.

Speaker 2 (27:32):
Good they said it again and loved the building though.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Well. I had a good conversation with her, and I said, hey, look,
we would treat you right and stuff. We're going to
talk facts. And so she she took the opportunity to
throw out there two things once. She she wanted to
throw out there that you know, we're doing training now.
I didn't have the heart to tell her that, like
my my friend Brian or somebody mentioned it, you know,

(27:57):
getting training for mom Deman's action is like singing the
amiss learn how to drive. Yeah, you know, it's just
it's probably not the best thing. But hey, if they
if they're about training, fine, But she did take the opportunity,
and I'm leading into this hunter, it's a long way around.
I'm getting there. She did take the opportunity to say, well,
what do you think in Ohio this week? And you

(28:18):
might as saw as we were on the news JC
there was a bill to lower the age for to
be able to buy a pistol to eighteen.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
Yeah, that's one of the stories.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
I didn't have a chance to get to her today,
but yeah, and it's I mean, you know, if you're
looking at the Constitution and doesn't say you have right
to bear arms after you turned twenty one, and we're
we're for it, I mean, you can't be sending these people.
You can't say that in our society. Eighteen is an
adult up. But you can't buy a gun, We'll send
you to war. And it was funny because she says, well,

(28:49):
you know, the eighteen year old doesn't have a brain
this fully developed. And I said, ma'am, but it's okay
to send in a war. And she sat there, and
she sat there. You know, she was caught up in that.
I mean, oh maybe, well, well, I don't know. So
it would be an interesting conversation if they come on.
But you know, certainly that's their stance that they don't
want an eighteen year old to have it because they're

(29:09):
not fully developed. You know.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
Yeah, there's a lot. And also I started to get
to talk about but another case, federal judge in Florida
throughout a case where that a nineteen year old was
charged with having a concealed weapon and they said, nope,
he's an adult. And again that's just at a county level.
But you know, so stuff is out there.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
Yeah, well yeah, so speaking of people immature that you
know may or may not you should be able to
have guns. My good friend, your mom is going to
hear that. Give me folks, Yes, so up here with
us today a good hunt. Our families have been friends
since honestly, you're probably just out of diapers. I mean

(29:52):
like like one or two years ago. Now recently consequently
JC is back.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
The other way.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Now, yeah, back into it.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
But it is it's something that you know, you're staying
with us. And you said, hey, mister Albert, you know
I'm thinking, I'm you know, in my early twenties now
that it might be time to look into purchasing a firearm.
And you've never i mean, your family wasn't big firearm
people and were not against firearm. I just never grew
up in it, like like you know, my son and stuff.

(30:22):
And so we had a great conversation last night, and
I thought it was interesting. I thought it was interesting
to hear how you, as a young adult, have come
to come full circle to that conclusion on your own,
I mean, without you know, outside influences or your family
saying hey, you need to carry and so I think
there's some some validity to hearing that story and stuff.

Speaker 3 (30:41):
So yeah, well, I mean I couldn't think of a
better person to ask knowledge base wise than yourself. So
if I had any questions, like you said, my family's
not huge into firearms, so asking them wouldn't really have
accounted for much. But with someone with your knowledge base,
I figured I'd bring it up and just see your
thoughts on it, because you would know more then most
other people that I have the opportunity to talk to.

Speaker 1 (31:02):
Right, And you did get I mean, your first step
was good. You sid out. You know that you set
out the information and stuff. Had you always I mean,
had it had been always been in the back of
your mind or is it some revelation that recently due
to you know, now you're an adult you're traveling that
you said, you know what I'm not. I'm not feeling
comfortable as I used to. And some of these, you know,

(31:23):
these places that I'm at. What was that would that like?

Speaker 3 (31:26):
Yeah, So I've always every couple of years, my dad
and I would go to a range, like we would
be on a baseball trip. We traveled all the time
for athletics. We would be at a range and we
would just shoot once every four or five years. And
I was like, Oh, it's fun. It'd be great to
own a firearm just to go so I didn't have
to rent one every single time. And over the past

(31:47):
couple of years, the state of the world right now
driving around I live in Saint Louis.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah, what's taking so long?

Speaker 3 (32:00):
And there have been a couple scenarios where I would
get done with school and I would I need gas
in my car and I would go up to a
gas station and somebody would walk up to me and
they're like, you need to go to this gas station
because in the next couple of minutes it's gonna get
really bad here, really fast, so you need to leave immediately.

(32:20):
Go two miles down the road to this gas station.
And in my brain. I'm like, Okay, if somebody isn't
there to tell me that information, right, I'm I can't
do anything about it because I don't have a firearm.
I don't have any form of self defense.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
Right. And hone, you're you're a big kid. I mean
you're you're not a you know, a small gigh and stuff.
You're a big kid who could a fair fight hang
for yourself. I mean, there's no issue with that, but
we all know these thugs it's not a fair fight, no, no,
and stuff. So have you gone through and in thought
about what it means to carry a firearms? You know,

(32:57):
the ramifications, the potential out there.

Speaker 3 (32:59):
Yeah, I mean you always play scenarios over in your
head and in my brain right now, where I've gotten
to is it's the same thing as having car insurance.
If you don't have car insurance and you get into
an accident, you're paying a heck of a lot more
money than you would if you get into trouble and
you don't have a firearm. It's the same thing as
not having car insurance and getting into an accident.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
In both of those scenarios, you hope you never need them.

Speaker 3 (33:22):
Exactly exactly it's not a tool that you're going out
trying to actively use. It's a passive tool that if
you need it, it's there, the same thing as insurance.
You hope you never need it, but if you have it,
it's better to have it than not to.

Speaker 1 (33:37):
Do you think you think you'll carry all the time.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Not necessarily all the time. I don't. I think in
most of the situations that I'm in day to day life,
I don't need to carry. So it's not gonna be
something that I'm gonna have on my hip twenty four
to seven. But in scenarios and situations locations where it
could possibly help me out, I'll carry in those. Yeah,
no questions asked about.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
That, right, what jump in anytime?

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Well, no, it's and with everything you say. Somebody asks
me I carry all the time, and I said, mostly
you don't carry off. Well, if I'm going to a
doctor visit, you're not allowed to carry there. I look
at all these options close by, But the problem is
you don't know when you'll need it. You may say
I don't know you need it today, and there's so
many options out there that are convenient. There's even less

(34:26):
than lethal that it's convenient to have, but I mean
just having you know, just something like you know, I
mean something like that, like a wallet, but it's you know,
it's just there are many options for you and you
just don't know when you're gonna need it. Just like
the fire extincture. You have it and you don't know
your house is going to catch on fire, but you
have one anyway. Yeah, exactly, those are things to weigh.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Which the education piece is so huge in this space,
and that's that's exactly what it is.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
It's just education.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Like the more education that you have on it, the
more comfortable you'll be making a decision or another.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
And you hit the name right, you know. A lot
of it is is knowing your boundaries with it, I
mean and knowing I mean you might survive the incident.
You might have survived it, but you might be in
a world to hurt because of your actions. So you
have to have a grasp on a couple of things. One,

(35:18):
when you can use deadly force, I mean deadly force
can't be used. You look out your window and someone's
stealing your car. You know that, So you have to
get your head around when I can use it. The
other thing too, and We've had people walk out of
our CCW classes. You have to get your head around
my actions may take the life of someone else, and
there are some people who cannot accept that and who

(35:40):
will eventually walk out and say, you know what, a
firearms not for me because I don't know if I
could take someone else's life, and in that case, you
shouldn't have it. You shouldn't have it that you have
to have that mindset that I'm caring it for the
protection of myself and my family if I have to
use it. You put me in that position. I'm going
home tonight. You know, I'm going home and you you're

(36:01):
causing me to defend myself. If you die because of
that action of that me defending myself, I'm sorry you
put me there, but by god it, I'm going home
and you have to have that attitude and be able
to articulate that.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
You know, Yeah, if you get back into a corner,
what are you going to do to get out of it?

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Yeah, that's the same because you will you your day's
not done after an incident. You will have, you know,
a lifetime of having to deal with it, and also
you'll have court issues. I mean, you'll you'll probably be sued.
I mean they'll say, hey, the bad guy who's just
trying to steal to you know, support his habit or
whatever it is, and you'll find yourself on your heels.

(36:37):
You have to know that that all comes with it.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
And us lost field is the reason that the health
I mean, you just never know. And if you get
into that, not to go any time here. But there's
just thousands, thousands of incidents where people it cost them
a ton of money even though it was so dead
right they had every option. Matter of fact, someone pulled
a gun and shot them first, and then they return fire.
You still go to court, You'll still do this, and
it just it just depends. So it's some point you

(37:00):
have that. Also, it's important to realize that this is
something that the Democrats have actually in writing said the
CDC don't put these facts out there anymore. How are
we going to pass the gun laws? About forty five
hundred times a day someone incorporates a firearm, not fires it.
But nobody wants to get shot with anything. You know,
if something comes down and you're backed into a corner,

(37:21):
I mean, you know, just having one and saying look
I am going to you, you know, as.

Speaker 1 (37:25):
Jac you talked off air about a couple of stories
you had personally. I mean, it's you know, you know,
it's not about having to pull the trigger. You hear
some people say very rare that that happens, right.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
I think about eighty five percent of the time on
the stats that just the presence of a firearm is
enough to dissuade someone from is at risk them getting
actually shot, killed, maimed. For your wallet, for your you know, iPhone,
for your you know, whatever you have. So so it's
important to have that, and you have to take that
in consideration. But like you said, knowing that if it
gets down to that and they pull something on coming,

(37:56):
are you willing right, you know, to defend yourself.

Speaker 3 (37:59):
And I'd rather go to court afterwards them not be
in court at all, right, be a judge by six feet.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Under, yeah, would be. There's a judge by twelve and
carried by six exactly.

Speaker 1 (38:09):
Yeah. And you just have to you have to be
confident in that and know and you are. I mean,
you you've come it's neat to see you know, you
and some of the other younger generations come to that
conclusion on your own and know that education is a
huge part of all of this. You know, what do
you think I mean, friends and stuff, I mean, have
you what do you think that the general consensus is

(38:30):
amongst young people your age? Are you hear people talking
positively about it? Or you know, we always hear these
protests in colleges anti gun and so I mean, do
you have a sense or maybe maybe the crowd you
hang with are more right leaning?

Speaker 3 (38:44):
So yeah, yeah, the crowd I hang with are definitely
more right leaning. That doesn't mean I don't have left
leaning individuals that I hang out with, but the topics
never come up because it always just sparks an argument.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Nobody wins.

Speaker 3 (38:54):
Yeah, there's no middle ground for us to fall onto,
so we just stay away from the top of the conversan.

Speaker 1 (39:00):
What you'll find as you get older is where you
win is the facts. I mean, you can have a
great We've had a great conversation last week with someone
locally who wasn't necessarily a gun person. And when you
start talking to the facts and they don't have them,
then you start, I think you start to win them over.
Not that we need to win people over, but you
start they start to say, wow, Okay, that's not what

(39:21):
I thought. And if they're an intelligent person and an
open minded person, they start to say, you know what,
maybe this isn't exactly like I was thinking it was.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, Which is why I think the education piece plays
such a big part into it, because I think a
lot of it with the crowd of people that I
hang out with. If they aren't pro gun or even moderate, like,
they don't care one way or another. If they're against guns,
it's because they're not educated. On the one percent you
see is what's on the news, yep, and all of
that is negative. There's barely any positive pro gun anything

(39:53):
on the news. The only thing that they see is
all of the shootings, all of the suicides.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
Don't pay attention to the facts, and they don't choose
to educate themselves, which I think is a huge step
in the process of owning a firearm in the first place,
is gathering all the facts beforehand and being knowledgeable about
what you're getting yourself into.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
I wish all of the young people had this attitude
and just I mean the intelligence as far as analyzing
what you need to do. It's your choice. If you
don't want to have one, the one good thing that
has happened recently in the last couple of years is
the carrying of less than lethal firearm. So I don't
want to kill anybody. Well, now there's some incredibly good
options out there that could you know, actually save your

(40:34):
life and you know, disable somebody that is less lethal
than they're legal and all fifty states. So there you go,
there's some good stuff.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Well, and you did pretty decent on the range today.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
Not too bad.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
I mean, Luke had to show you up a little bit,
but you know that's you know, that's what he does
and stuff like that. But your parents should be proud,
they really should. But you're you're a good kid, and
who have who has come you know, used your logical
senses and knowledge base to come to the conclusion on
your own And that's as a parent, that's what you hope.
You hope you instill those values in the kid where

(41:04):
they can you know, deduce from reasoning that this is
the right path to go. So that's that's cool stuff. Yeah,
thank you, cool stuff, all right, absolutely, well, thanks for
sitting with us and stuff. Now you can have your donut.
Donuts is always hanging over people said today, guys wann't
up to a break and we come back on the
other side. We got the Gun of the week. It
is super cool. Welcome back on Target. I'm your host.

(41:25):
Eric joined today the l EPD studios. It is j
C and I Hunter has left the studio. What a
good kid, jay C. What a good you know, he's
always been a good kid, good family, great family. Really,
it's just it's you know, it makes you smile when
you see these kids who have grown up to be
such good people.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Good people and good thinkers. I mean, absolutely weighing things
out and in a COJ manner, and I'm just so
impressed when my folks like that.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Absolutely, j C. The Gun of the Week. I've been
anxious for this, so this came in on a state Sam.
Don't come down here after the game today and look
for it because it's not out yet. Probably be out,
my guests by Wednesday of next week. This one, thank goodness,
comes with a couple hundred rounds of ammo jac. And
if you didn't hear at the beginning of the show,

(42:15):
my son Luke said, well, his words were, we found
a word that's not in the dictionary. And I said,
what do you mean by that and when I asked
you about this round, you said, I don't know if
I ever knew that round. I mean, Jac, this is
this is a momentous day.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Well, it really kind of took me back. And like
I said, either I thought it was so inconsequential, I
just didn't register. But it is consequential. It's it's really
just from the historical fact of its velocity.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, so, Jac, So really the gun of the week
is not so much the gun, although it's a very
nice bold action Savage heavy barrel. And I'll give you
a hint, Jac, when we went to go put the
flag in it, the chamber flag, it would fit. And
why is that, jay Z, I'm not.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Even certain of BB would fit down that. Well, this
is a caliber and which surprised me was it was
developed in twenty twelve, but it was introduced at the
Shot Show in twenty thirteen. And it is a rim
fire and it is the fastest rim fire velocity wise
of any rim fire ever before. And it is amazing.

(43:22):
And why it is in this Savage rifle, is Savage
partnered with Rychester or Winchester partnered with Savage to come
out with this I don't know if you can see
it here in the background. But it is a seventeen
caliber Winchester short magnum. It's a super WS super magnum.

(43:44):
Well okay, super magnum.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
And the now o the cartridges is called the short
magnums for the center fire, but this is called the
super magnum. So, but it's the same idea of a
a very short magnum. How it was developed this kind
of astounds me too, because I actually have a box
of these. So someone went to throw away and I said, oh,
take them. Someone took one of the explosive powdered charged

(44:06):
cartridges that they used to put nails in through concrete
where you'll load them up the yeah, bam, but they
used an explosive charge to do that. Well, someone took
this this cartridge case which is long, and it's a
twenty seven caliber on the outside of the cartridge case
and they necked it down to a seventeen caliber. Now,
this is a rim fire and in its standard form,

(44:31):
which is this cartridge with a twenty grain bullet, got
three thousand feet per set, three thousand feet per second
out of a it's out of a out of.

Speaker 1 (44:46):
A rim Fire's greens.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Now we know we've had before the Winchester apartment, the
hundred y magnum rim fire, which was a which was
a neck down twenty two magnum, which you know, put
some velocity out there, but nothing compared to this. As
a matter of fact, Winchester makes three different grain weights,
a twenty five, a twenty and the fifteen grain. The

(45:10):
fifteen grain actually chronos at over thirty three hundred feet
per second out of a rim fire. So they partner
with Savage. So Savage has this ball barreled rifle and
talk about a varmint cartridge. It's just to be absolutely amazing.
But pressure, why some people go aheah, what's the difference. Well, yeah,

(45:32):
twenty two magnu has twenty four thousand pounds of pressure
per square wrench when you fire it. Then they came
out with that seventeen hmr and that has about thirty
about twenty eight thousand pounds per square inch. This little
dell has I think a little over thirty three thousand
pounds per square inch of pressure putting this pill out there,
but I mean three thousand feet per second out of room.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
For that's crazy. JC my Son was doing the research
on this before the show about forty five cents a round.
We can still get the rounds it is now offered
from another couple