Qualified Immunity in Ohio

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, well, well, was it even sure if we should
do a show today after last week show number five hundred.
Last week five hundred times we stepped up to the
mic talked about something five hundred Friday nights, JC and
I did show prep hundreds of guns of the week
and last week guys, last week Hiccock forty five sat

(00:20):
right here with us in person. Today today on Target
show number five oh one starts now. Good afternoon, Welcome
to do on Talk. We're broadcasting live from the studios
of LPED Firearms Range and Training Facility is located at
nine nine to nine Triple nine, Bethel Road. Guys, we
are still getting customers talking about last week. Some are

(00:42):
congratulating us, some couldn't believe it was the five hundred show.
Now a few family member of mine who aren't necessarily
gun people said we lost them after we started talking
gun stuff, but that was okay, And then we had
we had four people say we should never ever play
the first beginning again. So there you have it.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
There you have it, and we won't yes, yes.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
Well until about the six hundred show. Then I'll probably
drag it back out again.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
But it was amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Our five hundred The show happened to be on the
two hundred and fiftieth anniversary to the day of really
the establishment of our Second Amendment, with the with that
battle against the British, the first shots fired.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, it was really historic. So it's amazing, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
Don't feel like we gave that enough attention last week.
I mean, they shot her around the world two hundred
and fifty years ago. I mean, what you know, it
was so momentous and stuff, and I was happy to
see that some local news channels picked that up as well.
Not our five hundred show, but the two hundred and fifty.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Beginning of American freedom. I mean it was the first
shots fired. The war hadn't been declared yet, you know,
the Decoration of Independence was still over a little year away,
but these are the first shots fired, and it was
because a government was trying to take away the arms
and ammunition from its citizenry.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
So it's it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
And two hundred and fifty years later, John, we're still
the government's trying to take away the.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
Thing, which is one of our first stories we have.
So there you go, guys.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
We are the owners of LPD Firearms Range and Training
facility and our active in law enforcement. But for one
hour on Saturdays, we put together a group of firearms
experts to discuss new products in the market, actually some
really neat ones this week, training tips and oftentimes political
topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commendent that has always
been to bring you facts about our industry, help customers
and listeners with safe, responsible ownership of firearms. Guys, before

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we go any further, we are really close. Well actually,
actually thank everyone from last week. I mean we said
it a few times, but you know, thanks to Hiccock
forty five for driving up here from Tennessee to sit
with us. And that was, honestly just to show you
the type of person he was. That was him. You know,
we had mentioned it, I think as a joke in
passing the last time he was on, Hey you need

(02:48):
to come up for our five hundred, And he sent
me a text after that and said, well when is it?
And I said, well this is the date. And the
date got changed around a couple of times because of
the OSU game and he says I'll be there, Like really,
I'm like you're here in person. He's like, yep, I
would be there. So it just kind of goes to
show you the type of person he is, a great,
great person. We also got to thank everyone who called

(03:09):
in last week, the Secretary of State, Senator Marino, cam Edwids,
Brian Steele, my buddy Richie, and of course thank wtv
in for giving us an hour last week to go
commercial free. That was great. We tried to convince Ella
to do it this week, but apparently she says yes
and no go. But we have to thank Ella too.
I mean, she's the one who keeps the keeps everything

(03:29):
in order back of the station, So thanks to her
as well. Guys, one last or one reminder to you know,
we were doing the raffle for our buddy Spencer who
was let go at CPD. We are down to literally
one or two tickets left for that raffle. So next
week we anticipate pulling the name for who's gonna win
the Smith and Wesson nine Element of Rifle. So that

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thanks to everyone who has contributed to that. We've sold
a bunch of tickets to it and certainly going to
a good cause. Coming up here shortly, Jac well he
has the news like he does. We're going to talk
about some actually some good things and some not so
good things. So typical week. On that typical The Gun
of the Week is sponsored by our good friends over
at Black Wing Shooting Center, of which I should mention

(04:12):
they are going to be here next week. Joe's jumping
on with us next week as is you're ready for
this guy's mark from Vance's we're gonna talk about Life
Side Ohio, a great organization that we all sit on
the board on, and so we're all gonna get together
next week. I'm gonna be right here talk about that.
Something to look forward to. But this week the Gun
of the Week. And I'm a little bit embarrassed John,
because I told you this. This guy overlooked. I'll be

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honest with you. This has been in our case for
a while. This made it through the gate great gun
buying spree of twenty twenty, So it just tells you
it's been here for a minute. And I think, honestly,
I think we miss priced. I think it got mispriced initially.
It's a used gun, So that is coming up shortly.
GC's going to tell you about that today at twelve thirty.

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And I've spent all this time here, I haven't even
introduced our guests ed today at twelve thirty, we're going
we're gonna highlight a young company that is starting to
make some waves in the optic world. Known for ruggedness,
lifetime warranty and many of the same features as the
high cost items, and actually some additional features that you
don't get on those high cost items. And uh, it's

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something that we all can afford a little bit more
than some of these ones that are local. And he's
local ed not only local. We're talking about, you know,
growing up in Delin going to the highest state. Iman
won't work you right there just as yes, so I
meed you. He is sitting here with us today. Great
to have you on. Thanks for having you guys. Yeah,
we're super excited. Uh. We love that you guys are

(05:40):
here local and we're looking forward to twelve thirty we
can talk about your product line and what we're gonna
start carrying right here at the store. Humble dear, Thank you, yep, great? Great?
So where we at JC for that, I should probably
tell you who else is here with us? Where we
got to thank our sponsors to us last shield. I
just saw them. They were here this morning. A great
sponsor of ours of course Black we Can Shooting Center.
They got a bunch of stuff coming up, the annual

(06:03):
clay shoot for Lifeside Ohio. And uh, I think there
are annual Grive sales next week, Jason. We got to
find a way to get to that.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, yeah, that's that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Of course, Jackson, Negress, Windows and River's Edge Cutlery, all
who make the show possible each week, joining me today
in the studio myself, I have I met here and
then j C j C H can you put the
Gun of the week back out on the table from
your back? I mean, I tell you, I have a
feeling you're gonna walk home with this one.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
There is historic significance to this. Uh you know, it's uh,
it's it's it's gonna be exciting to talk about. But yeah,
they didn't make this one in this barrel like that.
I think it only made it for like six years.
And uh they changed the model name right during World
War Two, so it's got uh and there's some reasons
for that.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
So anyway, it's great, it's pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
Great big ad system. I right, big Ed. I want
to tell you, you know, we haven't been talking about Chicago,
and there's actually a little bit of good news coming.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Out of Chicago.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Chicago, well, there is, there is. You know, we went
back and we look at a running total of homicides
and a number of people shot. It's actually down, it's
actually it has been to this point. Is kind of
ironic because it's not a low number, but it's low
for Chicago. Only one hundred and twenty people murdered this

(07:21):
year in Chicago, that's all. Yeah, just one hundred and
twenty to date now, But last year this time they
were already up over one sixty. So the last time
it was this low at this point, you gotta go
back almost to twenty fifteen. Now, I will say this though,
the percent of people dying from gunshots is actually a

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hair lower now than it was. It hasn't been this
low since twenty eighteen. So that says one of two things.
One their shots are getting worse, or the medical they've
gotten so good at treating these gunshots that they're saving
the people. So about twenty five percent of the people
who are shot in Chicago ended up so combing to
those wounds.

Speaker 4 (08:03):
Do we want to give any credit to their new mayor?

Speaker 2 (08:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (08:07):
I don't know where the credit is but it is
good news, and we give them a lot of hard time,
but it is you know, it is a little bit
I guess positive news coming out of there. Jase, What
else do you have for.

Speaker 2 (08:17):
Us with some with some actually some some big news.
All right.

Speaker 3 (08:22):
A report was just released, it was and the report
it was declassified by Tulsea Gabbart, our Director of National Intelligence,
who now, as we know, this administration are finding all
sorts of things that the Biden administration had under wraps

(08:42):
that were against the gun industry. So the gun control
overreached by Biden's of it was actually was appalling. Right
even in the debates for the presidency, he called the
firearm industry the enemy of the United States and uh
and after he was in office, it was a basically
all whole of government weaponization to decimate the industry, so

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including executive overreach. So again, Taulsa Gabbert just declassified this
Biden administration report. So the report that was put together
was called the Implementation Plan for Countering Domestic Terrorism. So
I started thinking about that, said this is really a
good thing. And I said, oh, wait a minute, these

(09:27):
are the ones who opened the border for four years
there are so many terrorists have come across it's just
it's amazing. I mean, they don't even know how many
besides the murderers and rapists. So I thought, well, this
wasn't the reason for this. They wouldn't open the borders
to these folks and then have this plan.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
But this plan was.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Given and it's part of the National Security Council Strategic
Implementation Plan, so countering domestic terrorism. So it was built
around They had four pillars part of this plan. But
the last one, number four, the report identified who are
the potentially dangerous individuals and guess who that is. That's
you and me. It's absolutely amazing. So pillar four was

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it was called Confronting long Term Contributors to domestic Terrorism.
So number one plan, which has already been taking place,
rein in the proliferation of ghost guns. So they had
the ATF PASSA had a ruling saying that, yeah, so
if you make your own, you've got to go to
an FFL has to have a serial number. We have

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to know who you know, who you are, who made it.
Even though since before the government was created, back when
we've always been able to make our own firearms, encourage
state adoption of extreme risk protection orders. Now this is
where without any due process, under the extreme risk it
can come to your house take your firearms until without

(10:56):
any adjudication built in to get them back. But the
big thing was to drive and this is from the quotes.
It's to drive other executive actions and legislative action, including
banning assault weapons and high capacity magazines. Now, notice that
this administration called for a total ban of modern sporting

(11:20):
rifles and the magazines. It didn't say, you know, limit
the sale of or ban the sale of of the
magazines and rifles. It's just say says banning them, which
would refer to confiscating them as their desire.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
This was part of their official government this report.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Absolutely in the report.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
So even though I mean there's over thirty million modern
sporting rifles out there, I mean, they're that common. So
this this involved confiscation. So they you know, Biden, you know,
has consistently demanded the you know, ban of MSRs. But
it's curious that the administration hinted that anyone who owns

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one of these firearms, uh is potentially a domestic terrorist.
And you know, so part of their idea of this
universal background checks, which you know, that's that's one thing
that sounds good, except that would necessitate the registration.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
The only way it would.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Work because if you knew who owned every single gun
in the United States, who you were and where they are.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
So but this was so that was just so, Jayce.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
So I mean, obviously we can assume the next administration
isn't going down the same path.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Well, this isn't, but who knows down the road? What
is happening?

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Kind of kind of a following to that, And I
don't think I told you this, John. You know, we've
been on the atfnotty list for a while, considering that
on demand program. Remember that that's the program where we
erroneously got put on it because they're saying that we
were selling crime guns. Okay, so the last couple of
years under the Biden administration, just that right, we've been

(13:01):
put on this list and remedial reporting and all this
stuff because we sell guns to criminals. And we've stood
up from the beginning and said, no, it's a bunch
of bs. That's not true. In your facts are flawed,
and they are flawed. Well, lo and behold, the president
has been in what one hundred days, we got a
certified letter this week saying you're off the naughty list.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
And so what listeners may I know is some of
the things that put us on the naughty list. Where
customers saying, hey, I'm moving taking their guns to a
police station asking if they could could you know, secure
those guns while they moved. That was considered police confiscating
a gun, and added.

Speaker 1 (13:40):
It was ridiculous. The number of anytime someone in their car, Yeah,
anytime someone had a firearm that they persised here that
that was stolen out of their car, which is you know,
an issue right now, we would get dinged for that
gun being a crime gun. And now my argument would
be what we sold it legally, the guy who bought
it was legal. Why are we getting ding for a

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criminal one out there stealing it? But that's what put
us on the list. Absolutely no longer, all right, what else?
All right?

Speaker 3 (14:09):
This is a big one. This is from the Supreme Court,
and it's a positive, very positive story because the Supreme
Court did nothing and that really it was wonderful. So
the Supreme Court of the United States rejected Minnesota's attempt
to revive its eighteen to twenty year old carry ban.

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So they have banned concealed carry for eighteen to twenty
year olds, which is pretty common, but the Eighth Circuit
Court denied that. So the Minnesota's Attorney general appealed it
up to the Supreme Court of the United States saying
that no, we want to revive that, we want to
ban anyone under twenty one from attending concealed carry permit.

(14:51):
And the Supreme Court refused to hear it, which means
it referred back to the Eighth Circuit Court, which said, nope,
you can't do that. So now, basically, right now, the
decision not to hear the case was a win for
gun right.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
So now it allows adults.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Under twenty one to begin applying to Minnesota concealed carry permits.
So this also establishes a binding president. So here we
have an Eighth Circuit Court that's over seven states and
they're mostly in the Midwest. Weill actually Arkansas, Iowa, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska,
North Dakota, and South Dakota that will all bind to them.

(15:30):
But now it puts something out there saying the Supreme
Court says nope. They said by inaction that we know
that this is really a big deal because there's a
lot of states out there that are beanning this, and
as an ancillary to this, this just happened also, not
because of what they did, but in Iowa, the Iowa governor.

(15:53):
Hats off to Kim Reynolds, iora governor who signed a
law this week to allow eighteen year olds to possess
and carry handguns. Begin July first, eighteen year olds can
possess and carry pistols, revolvers, and ammunition. In Iowa. It's
already legal for eighteen year olds to have shotguns and rifles.
But the one who presented this was a Steve Holt,

(16:14):
and I just love this. It's just that I joined
the Marines when I was eighteen, I graduated from boot
camp when I was eighteen. I was carrying firearms in
the military when I was eighteen, and so the idea
that an eighteen, nineteen or twenty year old doesn't have
the right to own a firearm, that's what the Second
Amendment is all about.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Definitely, there we go. Definitely case, let's jump to a break.
When we come back, we'll get a couple other news stories,
and the Gun in the Week is coming up soon.
Wrong talk about broadcasting live from the studios of laped
firearms arrange. We'll be back right after the break. Hey Ella,
you didn't comment on why I'm playing this song today.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Well we're just playing it right now. When did you
want a comment?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
You can comment now. Okay, are you going to a
show tomorrow? Eric, We're going to see Neil Diamond the play.
I guess this is a musical Tomorrow Night. He's there's
some of my friends have been going to this, but
I don't know is it do you know?

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Is it a musical about him or is it just
a musical using his music?

Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, No, it's about him. It's about his life growing up.
It's called uh, I forget what it's called. It's the
title of one of his songs. But we're going Tomorrow Night.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
Good. That and That is Papa is one of his
very favorite artists.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I grew up listening to Neil Diamond. Now, these young
kids they think he's you know, one hit. You know,
all they know is the one they play at the stadiums.
But it was more than just that. Sorry, you're probably
in that young kid category. Welcome back to on Target.
You know Neil don had more than one song. Yeah,
thank you, Okay, welcome back to on Target JC, a

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couple other pits of news that you have there. All right,
this was this was.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
A great one and hope our Buckeye firearms folks are
listening to this. Uh Tennessee.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's just it's about ready to pass the Bible to
pass both the House and they're center and now it's
up for Governor Bill Lee's desk for signature and it's
going to be this past overwhelmingly. So this is would
significantly strengthen the legal protections of those in the firearms industry.
So we already know about you know PLAKA, the bill,

(18:11):
the federal bill that's the Protection of Lawful Commerce and
Arms Act that passed back in two thousand and five,
and what that was to protect them for just the
fact that they sell a firearm and it ends up
a third party uses it in the crime. You can't
sue the person that you know that made it. Well,
they have added some stuff here in their new bill.
They along with several other states, pass their own version

(18:32):
of the PLACA in twenty three, but this one coming
up with they're even passing another one.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
Now. This new bill fortifies the law.

Speaker 3 (18:40):
It expands the legal protection to private sellers. So not
just you know, the industry and the FFLs, but if
you personally own a gun, you saw one of a
gun show and that guns on using a crime. It
prevents the seller from being sued for the actions of another.
Also extends it to suppressor manufacturers so that parallesn't included.

(19:04):
And also magazine manufacturer, so the fact that it's using
the magazine. The it prohibits Tennessee courts from recognizing or
enforcing out of state and foreign court judgments. As well
as a matter of fact, it pedalizes bad faith litigation
by imposing triple damages on the on the plaintiffs in

(19:25):
their attorneys who attempt to do this.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
So this is now it. You know, things can happen.

Speaker 3 (19:31):
So it provides qualified The quote is it provides qualified
civil liability action brought against a dealer, manufacturer or a
seller of a qualified product. The complaint much alleged that
the dealer, manufacturer or the individual seller of the qualified
product directly caused the damages alleged.

Speaker 4 (19:48):
Did they include ammunition makers?

Speaker 2 (19:50):
They did not, you know that. I wonder I've seen that.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
But anyway, this is a yeah, this is something so
really yes, that's a really good one.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
Here's one that's that.

Speaker 3 (20:01):
We've talked about now for almost a couple of years,
but it's starting to have some repercussions in the field.

Speaker 2 (20:07):
We've talked about the P.

Speaker 3 (20:08):
Three twenty to Sigur P three twenty Okay, so, and
the last thing we talked about was saying had this
letter where they adamantly insisted that it cannot go off,
not go off, not go off like the triggers pulled.
They've lost several big cases that started with like a
one point five million and three point two now eleven
million dollars of a case against it. But in the

(20:30):
real world, here's what is happening. Even though their damage
control seems to uh just not done anything, but they
have no interest in actually admitted there's any problem or
addressing them. But so now some firearms training facilities, including
some law enforcement training centers, have started banning those firearms
at the school.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
And one of these schools is.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Ohio's premiere of fire training school, the Tactical Defense in
St To TDI, which is if you never anyone can
go there, you sign up and goes down to Southern
Ohio bad hotel facilities, but it is a premier defense
institute in training. And here's what they've just released in
their letter to all the people that are signed up,

(21:14):
and the quote is okay, after much discussion and review
among our instructor cadre, the decisions to be made that
all variations of the six hour P three twenty pistol
will no longer be permitted in any TDI classes. The
safety of our students and status of the highest priority
and is taken very seriously in the light of the
growing number of instances where the P three twenty has

(21:35):
discharged without the trigger being pulled.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
We believe the decision to be in the.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Best interest of our students and staffs. And that was
released from TDI. They will refund your money if that's
the gunny plan, or they will give you either a
glock or a Smith and Wesson or or a Walter
to use in classes. But so so, here's the bottom line.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
They say. There have been numerous allegations of the P
three twenties going off in people's holsters. The holster makes
all seem to be different. The only constant is the
P three twenty and that's sad to hear.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
I mean, I don't want that on you know, I
don't wish that on them. Great gun company, great pistols,
great rifles. You hate to hear it, but a man,
it's just you and John. I shared a video with
you yesterday of a law enforcement officer patting someone down,
getting ready to put handcuffs on him, and the officer
bends down to pat him down on the leg. It's
inside of the station, inside a police station, and the

(22:29):
gun goes off in the holster just misses another officer.
So I don't know, I mean, it's it's it's just
definitely something.

Speaker 2 (22:36):
Really experienced people that this is a courage guys.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
We gotta jump to the bottom of ratter news when
we come back as the gun of the week, time
look at that bron Target broadcasting live from the studios
of l EPD Farms Range. Will be back right after
the break. Welcome back to on Target. I mean Kara
joined today in the LAPD S. Dude that got big
Edd to my right, I got JC to my left
and are a good friend, am I from Lead and Steel.

(23:00):
We're gonna get you up shortly, but it's so good
to have you here. Thanks. Man is the hospitality yep
and if you. If you missed the show, you can
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Speaker 4 (23:11):
Everybody telling me on Facebook and YouTube they can here.
It's just fine to.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Really good, good good.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
All right, guys, it's time for the Gun of the Week.
This week is sponsored by our good friends up at
Black Wings Shooting Center. I want to say we had
a Gun of the Week a few weeks ago. That
was the Smith and Wesson competition. Remember that JC was
kind of blue.

Speaker 3 (23:28):
Uh yeah, and I've got a lot of people said,
you didn't say what the name of the gun was.
I was so excited to get into it that I
did not give the official Smith and Wesson designation for that,
which I don't know what APD. Yeah, but you can't
miss it. They're making five thousand, period.

Speaker 1 (23:45):
But and we sold that one shortly after the show.
We just got to stay steel frame and.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
So it had a lot of way to this metal competition.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
But we just got another one in last night. Oh
it's so it is back here the Gun of the
Week this week, though, JC. I'm a little bit embarrassed
because the boys at the counter were like, hey, well,
maybe we need to reduce this price. I'm like, nice
to tell me. Now, this thing's been sitting here since
COVID and it's a used gun. It's great and it
was just accidentally mismarked initially. I'm going to tell you

(24:14):
right now it's two ninety nine, so that is in
appropriate price. It's probably a bit of a steal. Yeah,
what did it, Jared JC.

Speaker 2 (24:21):
But just this company High Standard.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
Of course all the young folks don't know all this happening,
but because this was formed in nineteen twenty six is
when it came about. This is the High Standard Model B.
Now the king of the hillback then was the Colt Woodsman.
I mean they had their whole series of that and
that was a premier gun. Not even this compete with it.

(24:45):
But this developed into really target guns, guns that were
used in the Olympics. But this particular model one of
the early ones. They had a Model A, which actually
they just they purchased another company and they were kind
of using what that company did, but then they improved
it and came out with the Model B.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
This came out in nineteen thirty two and it was
changed over during the war, so probably forty three forty four.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
Don't have exact date on that. They switched the model number,
so this was only made between thirty two and forty four.
The significance of this and they only made it in
two barrel lengths. They made it in a four and
a half and six a half inch barrel. This says
six and three quarters here, haven't really major dip and
I've probably seen stuff, yeah, but probably six and a half.
They only made the six and a half inch.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
Barrel for six years.

Speaker 3 (25:30):
So the significance of the Model B was the military.
It was the only twenty two training pistol used in
World War Two, so when it came to it, they
could have had coldzers, but they chose this gun. The
military did and in nineteen forty two, you know, of course,
in December seventh of forty one, so it was right
in the beginning of the war. They ordered fourteen thousand

(25:53):
of these in a four inch barrel length in the
Model B, so the only twenty two used to train
our troops higher World War two. Then during the war
they changed the model number to an H, you know,
an HD, but they said it just really is the
be with a couple of other changes. They did add

(26:13):
some went back to a longer barrel link, but the
model being was only made for like six years, so
we have one right here and the six inch barrel link.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
They're just really dependable. I would compare them today to like.

Speaker 3 (26:26):
The standard Ruger, you know, twenty two, just the standard one,
because that looks very very similar to that. But it's rugged,
it's reliable, reliable, and we have one here so only
made for christ you know, and change in World War two.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
So it's it's good, good, terrific. It's a good intent
shop magazine, some automatic blowback and.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
There we go, stop in and check on it. Hey.
I would also be remiss if I didn't mention we
are continuing our revolver sale. We haven't done, have not
done a very good job talking about it on air,
But a lot of revolvers here in the store, new
and used up to ten percent off. There's actually a
bunch of them that are ten percent off new and used.
And these aren't old models that you wouldn't want a

(27:06):
lot of these are just models that we had very
similar versions of and so we chose one that we're
going to carry ongoing, and these are the ones we're not.
And there's some I mean the Smith and Wesson thirty
two revolver that's popular. There's you know, one of those
sitting up there. So if you're in the market for
any revolver, definitely stop by. And we also still I
got a message from the guys today. We still have
some of the nine millimeter plus P plus Ammo. You

(27:30):
have to ask for it because we don't want to
invertently sell that to someone who doesn't have a firearm
that will take it.

Speaker 3 (27:35):
But we do have it here, so I as always
told the police, Yeah, police, yeah, police department.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Guys, We're going to jump to an early break because
on the other side, it's all about lead and steel.
When we talk to our buddy, we're on talking about
broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Farms. Arrange we'll
be backward after the break, and you can't mess me up.
I'm a professional. Yeah right, guys, welcome back to one.

(28:00):
I'm yours. Derek joined today in the LAPD studio. I
got big ed to my right, I got a little
JC to my left and sitting between us today. You
know what, we don't often get to highlight a company
that is up and coming or one that we really
think highly of the.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Ones that you investigate every inch.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Of true that that is right here in our backyard
in Columbus. So we were super excited these last couple
of weeks to start talking to Ahmed and he's the
founder of Let and Steel, a company based right here
in Columbus and the suburbs and stuff, and coming out
with some product line that you're definitely going to start
hearing about if you haven't already. I unbeknownst to me,

(28:42):
a couple of our guys have some of this products,
some of these optics. So we thought we'd bring you
on today here from firsthand, we're so glad you're here today.
Sorry about the chaos and confusion. Oh no, it's wonderful.
I love it. Yeah. So you grew up right here
in Dublin, right.

Speaker 5 (28:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, grew up in Dublin one tailored schools
and went.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
To highest state law degree, to a high estate and
now you're making a pistol optics. So how does that work?
But that that goes right in line with my micro
biology degree? Yeah that's what I have a neurodegree. Oh really, product, Yeah,
we end up the same path here. How did you
get to this point? Yeah, it's it's it's wild, right.

Speaker 5 (29:20):
We initially started as a kind of a side hustle
twenty eighteen, just in my little gap year between schooling, uh,
and it was just a resale op really, hence the
name Lead and Steel. There's like a basic this in
that online e commerce platform. And at one point we
realized that, you know, there wasn't anything on the market
that I guess appealed to us and the specifics that

(29:42):
we wanted when it came to red dot sites. So
my brother at the time, my younger brother, was almost
done with mechanical engineering at OSU, and so I just
bugged him and said, name, let's just make it red.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
Just make it red.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
No. I mean, like jac sometimes I'm sitting around, I'm like,
what are we doing? I'm not doing that. Let's go
make a red let's rec Yeah.

Speaker 5 (30:01):
Yeah, yeah, he was doing some sort of I used
a sharply to make my red DI But that's.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
So how did I mean from from pen and paper
taxial production, I mean, how did you even begin to
know what you were doing?

Speaker 5 (30:13):
Yeah, it's look OPTI mechanical engineering itself is it should
be its own class because you're you're combining aspects of
just straight physics, which is your light refraction, reflection, and
of course mechanical engineering, so how they you know, play
with different surfaces and components and the like. And there's
a significant degree of microelectronics as well.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (30:32):
And so it really became one of those things where
that the development timeline of the first red dot took
significantly longer than the subsequent products because we had to
just learn the ropes.

Speaker 1 (30:41):
We had to learn the basics.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
And you know, I read that the reflex site, the
standard reflex site was pioneered by eight points some thirty
some years ago.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (30:48):
And so the general principles I have that that the
general principles are the same. Yeah, you have an R
C L E D fire as an objective lens like
candid angle, and that you know, the light that reflects back,
not refracts out, is along the optical axis, right, So
that's what you super impose over your target. So that
working principle hasn't changed much. But the efficiency of the boards, right,

(31:09):
the precision of the emitters, the clarity of the glass,
the build up of the notch filter and anti reflective coatings,
all those things come together. Multiple variables to get you
the red dot site, and how we got there really
was just trial and error and the professional end user
team that we reached out to early on. But I'm
glad we're here.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
That's great.

Speaker 1 (31:25):
And so when when did your first products hit the market?
I mean you too, I mean twenty eighteen kind of
when you started. When when did the first optic hit?
First optic was late twenty twenty two. That was the
Promethean LP one.

Speaker 5 (31:36):
That's our rifle red dot site, large radical, large window,
long battery life, and the utility of the LP one
was to just create as durable as an optical system
as possible, enough to replace your irons, right. We wanted
that faster target acquisition for our professionals, and we wanted
people to rely on those electronics that class all that

(31:58):
stuff that traditionally is you know a little more instead
of kinetic energy and impact.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (32:02):
And when when we launched LP one and twenty twenty two,
my game plan was for us to be manufacturing optics
by end of twenty twenty four one hundred percent in
the United States or a couple months late.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
But we made it rarely yep, thankfully.

Speaker 5 (32:15):
And so after I mean as a result of a
couple of years of infrastructure investment instead of like marketing, right,
you know, now we don't have to run under the
gun the way you know many of our competitors may
in the industry as a result of these tariffs and
the like. Yeah, and so that's one of the benefits
of owning the you know, the.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Scuba of perfect timing with the riff coming out and
that because most of our optics are seemed to be
made in China yeh.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah, and we can I'd love to get into that,
give you some industry know how on that stuff.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
It's pretty fun. So what so is your are you
to a point where your entire part.

Speaker 5 (32:42):
Of line is no, not necessarily so, Actually, our clean
room isn't that big. Maintaining a clean room to like
ISO seven standards is actually expensive, right, and so the
air filtration particular matter and stuff. So we don't have
so much square footage and so many limit or flow
cabinets to build them. And so where we are right
now is technically we haven't had a single one hundred
percent of can made product hit the market yet except
for what's coming uh, the one MA variant of this

(33:04):
particular optic here the Pandora yep, PB one will be
one hundred percent American made. I'm conditioning launched on that
on all of our professional end users until they all
give me the green light or cranking amount on a
prototype basis, and we're setting up the lines for mass manufacturing.
It's that's the one I went as close. Well, you
wants the PBK Okay, that's the way. Make sure that
bridges the full size and compound. Okay, that's amazing. So

(33:25):
I mean in presumably making them here in Columbus or yeah, yeah,
in Marysville, in Milford Center, I should say, yeah, but
just south of Marysville.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Wow. That I mean that in and of itself. I mean,
you want to do business with with liking minded people,
you want to do business with people who are Ohio based.
But to have it made in the United States too,
I mean that that is just it propels you. So
how does it compare to I mean the question everyone
has then is how does it compare ruggedness durability wise
to anything else out there? Yeah, that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (33:53):
I mean I think what sets us apart by all
means is I think are our engineering team, I mean
the group of guys that I have are wonder uh
brilliant and and our capacity for reverse engineering is very wide.
So we spend a lot of time analyzing and reverse engineering, remodeling,
GD and ting and simulating the products that are already
out there the optical architectures. So we can kind of

(34:14):
pull the bitter from the suite, if you will, juice
up our product lines with the stuff that we like
to see, and then you know, continue to innovate there.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (34:20):
And so what we do is multidisciplinary, but I try
to find folks talent that's you know, specifically within the
working zone of of a specific sub industry outside of firearms.
So when it comes to you know, making our optical
systems as efficient as possible, I'm not going to grab
some guy who's tangentially related to optics. I'm gonna grab
a microelectronics guy right who does picture printed control boards,

(34:41):
designs r C these PCBs rather, and can can you
know help us with our soldering operations, our circuit our
you know, power efficiency, our resistors are you know, p
w M all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:52):
And so.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Having that next level of next gen research and development
from you know, those specific sub industries kind of distilled
and bringing that into our optics houses. I think what
sets us apart. And I'm not saying this to dog
get the other optics guys. We love them, We work
with them. Some of them are our clients because we,
you know, have OEM design services.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
It's a lot of these guys.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Because we know more about their microelectronics than they do.
And right right, we can get into some of you know,
how the the optics are out there, most of the
optics that you see outside of like the super big guys.
But uh, you know it perfectly fund business model the
way they operate. But we wanted to know, uh and
pioneer every single you know, millimeter of that system.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
So wow, that's incredible.

Speaker 2 (35:30):
Well that really isn't.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
I mean that appreciate.

Speaker 3 (35:32):
You know, a lot of us just you know, take
it for granted, here's red dots. It looks great, But
what what goes into it? Yeah, we talked about chemical
engineering going well, I an'm thinking of lasers and things
like that. But but this, what goes into this is
much greater than It's a lot most of us know
about multiple variables.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
I gotta imagine though, the difficulty is bringing this to
market and you know, it's probably things like today being
here talking about it to get in the word out.
But for that law enforcement officer on the street who
is trying to pick the red doc that closed emitter
for his gun, I mean it's a little bit of
a jump to say, you know what, I'm gonna look
beyond the well recognized names out there and kind to

(36:08):
someone like letting steel and stuff. But I think this
starts that process and every every day that goes on
and people see the durability and the reliability of it.
One of the things that and I don't by any
means know the ins and outs of a lot of
the optics. One of the things that caught my eye
on the was it PB PB three yup. Was you
know a lot of these optics have a shake awake,

(36:30):
so they kind of go to sleep and you know,
until you need them. I was always reluctant for that.
I'm thinking, Okay, the time I needed I'm going to
be up there shaking the gun to try to get
the thing to wake up. But one of the neat
things and correct me if I'm wrong, that is kind
of unique about yours. I love that it's the radical
is the dot in the middle with the outside circle.
Great quick acquisition, but the shake awake only applies to

(36:51):
the outside circle. If I remember, so that dot in
the middle is always on, you know that it's always
going to be on, and the shake awake for the
rest of it. I mean, it's extremely reliable. But if
something were to happen, you always had a diet.

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Yeah, that's it. I'm surprised you looked into it and
I appreciate that. Or yeah, some of our ip there
as we call it, it's really we tie the motion
censor to the circuit of just the ring only, and
that ring is what's pulling most of your power anyway.
So right, our dot alone, if you set it on
the daylight, you know, setting will last one hundred fifty
thousand hours of continuous run time. So it's really, you know,

(37:25):
very tiny in terms of power.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
I don't think I'm gonna last on hundred.

Speaker 5 (37:28):
Say so, yeah, from that perspective, you want to guarantee
that redundancy and that you know, baseline of durability and
reliability is our founding principles. Nothing that comes to market
that we put our name on some intended for law
enforcement or military use or international tenacing is going to uh,
you know, compromise on the durability standard.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Do you think, I mean you had some other product
lines out there? Do you see down the road your future,
the future of lead and steel is on the optic side. Yeah,
so that's a great question.

Speaker 5 (37:57):
So we're we are like a discuss multi disilprenary and
what I'm attempting to do now as we speak is
set the stage the foundation for our divide and conquer strategy.
So right now, let In Steel does both opto mechanical
engineering and does weapons design and manufacturing. We are not
only a small alarm supplier and parts supplier, but we
also do the optics. And it's uh, you know, I

(38:17):
need a little more breathing room for my guys. So
what I'm going to do is as a discorder and
coming soon, let In Steel will remain in weapons development
and weapons manufacturing, and the optics will now go to
our dedicated engineering division called Central Ohio Research Division or
CORD Instruments. Right and so CORD in the future will
be the parent company or entity for the optics. You'll

(38:38):
see the Cord LP one or Cord PB three instead
of Letting Steel. But it'll allows us to you know,
kind of bring some of the stuff that's behind the
curtain a little more forward facing because we're not just
doing you know, product design for optics, but we're in
other things obviously significantly more. We could talk about that
outside of the show, but being able to bring those
to a separate entity and you know, also showcase that, hey,

(38:59):
we are multi disciplinary. But you know, underneath all of this,
we have a combined weapons ecosystem, uh manufacturing protocol. So
you're not just getting you know, a rifle and then
going to someone else for a red dot. You're getting
something that has overlapp an ecosystem by designers who did both,
so you know, kind of makes sense.

Speaker 3 (39:15):
Yeah, and that did surprise me when you When I went,
I said before the show, I hadn't really heard of
you before, but I went to look up the optics
and I saw these you know, rifles that were available,
and I'm going, what's what's going on here?

Speaker 2 (39:24):
Did you just take a rifle and then you mounted one?
Are you optic?

Speaker 3 (39:27):
I said that it seems to be much more than that,
And now in finding out that it is much more than, yes,
you find the weapons, So.

Speaker 5 (39:33):
Yeah, yeah, in addition not to not to you know,
talk too much about our rifles, but we do. I
think we do a pretty good job proof testing, mag
particle inspection, accuracy testing, coding technology, material selection. The same
hyperfixation we have on the optical systems we also do
in the rifles, and do it an affordable price point.

Speaker 1 (39:49):
It's just it's.

Speaker 5 (39:50):
Hard to, you know, for people to see that because
it's if what do you do, You make optics, you
make rifles, you make everything. Okay, that means to make
nothing right exactly, Yeah, slapping your name on stuff exactly.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (39:59):
And so we're trying to, you know, uh, put that
together a little better.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Great, well sorely here you're going to see him stock
here at LAPD. We're gonna have a few on the
range for range rental guns. You can go up there
actually try it out. We have some agencies looking at
these too, So there's a lot of good things ahead.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
American maide right, Yes.

Speaker 1 (40:18):
These specific units.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
I mean in terms of like sourcing, we're very transparent
about and I love to talk to us about it.
H LP one and PB three current lean how it's
traditionally been. Housings are cut in Hong Kong glass and
electronics come from Japan and we do the assembly at
one of our partner facilities in the United States. Uh,
the PB one which is coming in just a couple
hopefully a couple months. But I mean you can pick
up a Prototech now if you want. Yeah, that's one
hundred percent American made, so glass out of New York,

(40:41):
emitters out of New York, PCBs out of Texas, and
then housings are cut just down the road from us.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Wow, that's amazing. And where's mine coming from? Again?

Speaker 5 (40:48):
My k model and that Japanese glass. Okay, depending on
our clean room capacity, maybe made here.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
Maybe. Yeah, I like one of those if I haven't
mentioned it. So we're gonna carry a couple of models here.
Talk about the couple models that you you'll see here
at L E p D.

Speaker 5 (41:01):
Yeah, sure, I appreciate that. So the the one that
we started with was the Promethean LP one. That's our
you know, rifle red dot site. It's gone through a
couple of iterations now and it aligns with our continuous
improvement initiatives. It's it embodies our philosophy on optics manufacturing.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Right.

Speaker 5 (41:18):
I think there are maybe four or five main principles.
When it comes to the formula of optics manufacturing, you
have like your material selection, your component selection, your design,
and then your assembly so ops and qc QA. Right,
it's not enough to simply say we're gonna make our
optic out of grade five titanium. Okay, Well, what's your
housing doing to redirect or redistribute that, you know, that
deflection load. What's your compression you'd look like, what's your

(41:40):
sheer strength, look like, what's your tensile strength? Look like,
what's your thermal conductivity and coefficient for expansion?

Speaker 1 (41:46):
What's that?

Speaker 5 (41:46):
You know, these things all interact together to you know,
provide a weapons and optic system that will either fail
you and lose zero when you need it most, or
will work you know, in the non provision of environments
that you may find yourself in U And so from
that perspective, it really is a very delicate balancing act.

Speaker 6 (42:02):
Great, so we'll have the rifle one that's the right, Yeah,
that's and that's the rifle one that's that you know,
generally showcased some of that stuff, and it's one of
those optics that you can really beat up and not
have to worry about it similar to this Pandora and
then on the you know.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
Pistol side, this is the Pandora's Box three m o
A or PP three. The utility of this was we
wanted to create an optic that wasn't currently on the
system or currently on the market. Excuse me with the
particular characteristics of it currently has the widest and largest
field of view, so the largest glass in industry. I
think it has the clearest glass in the industry right here.
It's beautiful and so of course that's going to assist

(42:37):
you with your you know, presentation and target acquisition in
the like. But it also combines it with a housing
that utilizes a CR twenty thirty two, which is the
largest cell you can fit on a battery at this time,
and some very efficient you know sorcery that we do
with our control board to give us some really good
battery life. And it adapts to your standard a point
acro rail or dovetail, so it gives you some compet

(43:00):
ability with what the standard like you know, close demitter
optics out there currently have so and it's cheaper. Yeah,
so for that it really does. It cuts out all
the compromises that are found in the traditional so.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
You might we might even get ed to jump on
it is anti you know.

Speaker 4 (43:13):
Figured by the time we're all done here. And then
part of the agreement was that John and Eric and
I get one of those you know, complimentary so we
can work on ed.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
We're out of time that's concerned about your thermal conductivity.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
I guess, hey, I got a question here. Someone wanted
to know.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
It's a ten round magazine and a cost model.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
B there you go, guy. Thanks for being the last
hour with us show number five oh one. Thanks Tomed.
We're looking forward to seeing your products right here in person.
Next week our good friends from Black Wink and Vance
Outdoors is going to join. It's not going to want
to miss that. Guys, have a great week and as always,
as always, let's be careful out there.