Shoot faster and safer

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
As we walked down the dimly lit street just off
Third Avenue, I kept my family on one side and
closely watched as vagrants lined the streets on the other side, openly,
openly passing large crack pipes back and forth, no fear
of being seen, no fear of being caught. We were
told multiple times why our driver and hotel staff be

(00:22):
aware of Third Avenue, but it was the path we
had to take to get to t Mobile Park. We've
been in the city for only a day in downtown
on the Harbor, and we were yet to see a
police car or even a police officer. Yet the market
for drugs was anything but hidden. As a matter of fact,

(00:44):
for three days that we were in Seattle, Washington, the
only law enforcement officer we even saw was directing traffic
at the Mariners game. The rest of the city seemed
to be protected by a bunch of by a bunch
of weal curity that looked well, they looked unprofessional in

(01:05):
any setting, but really stood out as being security for
the city, the direct result of a defund the police movement.
We always say that, especially in law enforcement and that
public perception, there is a lot that goes into that perception.
He cannot demand respect from the public. You have to
earn it, and that starts with your appearance, how you act,

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and how you carry yourself. Let me tell you. When
the dude, the dude in the ponytail with the gauges
dangling off his ear lobes and a nose ring tried
to tell me to do something, he had neither my attention,
my respect, or the authority to do so. All we
could do was just raise his voice. The city in

(01:48):
that regards was pathetic, a fallout from the months of
having their city overrun by anarchists and a city that
still has not recovered. A sad, very sad thing affairs
for a city that was once historic and beautiful, now
a shell of the pre twenty twenty Seattle. Now, don't
get me wrong, Pike's Place and the Space Needle and

(02:09):
the stadium are great, but the city well just wasn't
for us. Little do we know the drastic differences that
were to lay ahead during our journey. After leaving the
urban anything goes environment of Seattle, we made our way
to cities like Ketchikan and Juno, Alaska.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Wow. Just wow. If you've never you've never been there.
To see it.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
It's something that you have to do at some point.
The Last Frontier is what they said, and it indeed
gave us insight into what must it must have been
like to travel across uncharted territories one hundred and fifty
years ago, men and women literally going hundreds of miles
and what we would consider harsh terrain and difficult conditions,

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all looking for a better life. What a contrast to
the vagrants and drug add that line many streets in
our city today. The only similarities in these towns were
that the presence of law enforcement there too was unseen,
but they weren't needed. From the salmon filling the rivers
and streams to the enormity of the Minden Hall Glacier,

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the views were just sing and the wildlife, the wildlife
wow and never got old. From wales to bears to
countless bald eagles. The way of life in Alaska was
something that we had never experienced, and it brought to
light the contrast of any city life when you get
used to running to Walmart on the whim and then

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realize that the capital city of Alaska, the capital city
with federal buildings and city halls, the capital city Juno
was still a city to this day, only accessible by
plane or boat. The contrast of city life was polar opposites.
Our journey continued to other towns like Skagway, which ended

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up really being one of my favorites. With the White
Pass train traveling the mountains and glaciers in the area,
sometimes hundreds of feet in the air, seemingly dangling off
the side of the mountain, it was unbelievable to think
what the men and women of the time endured for
future generations. Unbelievable to think of their resiliency, their drive,

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their dedication to hard work, their dedication to bettering themselves,
a contrast to what many of our cities have begun
at the moment. As our journey came to an end,
we ended up as we started, with a trip to
Seattle and a check back into reality. The nightly news
was soon back to crime ridden tales, a far cry

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from the past week when the news was headlined with
warnings of tsunamis, floods and glacial occurrences. I think, looking
back on the past few weeks, it was good to
see truly what the last frontier looked like, and we
certainly have a greater appreciation to what it meant to
live in those times. In many regards, we've come so far,

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but it seems sometimes as the people, we have really
made little progress on Target. It's next, Good afternoon, Welcome
on Target. We're broadcasting live from the studios of l
EPD Farms Range and Training Facility that's located at nine
nine nine, Triple nine, Bethel Road. I'm your host, Derek,
and sitting beside me my good friend j C.

Speaker 2 (05:22):
JC.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
You know what, this is one of our first vacations
where we came back to better weather. I mean you
usually you go and you're you're going for you know
that laying on the beach or some you know, beautiful
weather weather here. Last year, you know, we had gorgeous
weather in Europe, and yeah.

Speaker 2 (05:40):
We came back to a little better weather here.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
So yeah, but you could lay on a glacier up
there and you can't good.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I mean it was, I mean the weather was as expected.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
Truly the least frontier. I mean it's just incredible health.
What is that over twice the size of Texas and
we have like three hundred state highway patrolman or something.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think we didn't see it.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
We did not see any lawfoll Actually I take the
back in Juno.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
We saw one police car, but that was it.

Speaker 3 (06:04):
And the that's a place where the Smith and Western
five hundred magnum is carried by many many, many, many
see why commonly encountered.

Speaker 1 (06:13):
I still can't get over the fact that you can't
access the city by road.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
And if I was a governor someplace, I would build
a moat around, you know, twenty mile moat around, because
what a great way to run a government is to
not have anybody, you know. So I guess it's just
really busy with fliplanes and boats coming in for all.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
The constant I mean the seaplanes and stuff. Yeah, were
one right after another. That's a really, really, really a
neat experience. Because we are the owners of LAPD Firearms
Range in training facility and are active in law enforcement.
But for one hour on Saturdays, we put together a
group of firearm experts to discuss new products in the market,
training tips, and oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment.
Our commitment there has always been to bring you facts

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about our industry and help customers and listeners with safe,
responsible ownership of firearms. Today on the show. Before we
get to what's on today, JC, we had been hyping
the last couple of weeks the used firearm sale that
sat alongside of the sales tax holiday. Wow, we got back.

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Of course, the sail ended. The non tax part of
it entered on Friday. We're still running the ten percent
off through the weekend. But we sold a bunch of
used fire so many people took advantage of that.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yeah, some incredible deals out there.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
There was there were I mean I think we sold
out of a lot of those police trades. I mean
there was a lot of stuff. Yeah, that I came
back into town. I'm like, Wow, I can't believe we
sold that. Coming up shortly, JC has some news. Jac
it's anymore. It seems like it is a roller coaster
ride and that continues today. It is up and down,
and holy mackerel, we're gonna get to that up here shortly.

(07:52):
Let's see, Oh, you know what coming up in a
few weeks night And I don't like to always talk
about what's ahead. And we're looking at the show right here.
We got a lot of good guests coming up in
a few weeks. Car Arms is jumping back on with us,
and you might say, car arms, Jesus, what you know,
what what do they sell? Well, car, Iuto, Ordnance, Thompson
and JC has his car on today. They're coming back
on with us. Haven't been on since twenty seventeen, but

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got a lot of really neat products when you look
at the Desert Eagle and the BFR and all of those.
So they're gonna be on with us in a couple
of weeks. Our good friend Bob Meeter, the attorney, I
talked to him a couple of times a week. Great
stuff coming down the pipe. Well I don't know about great,
but interesting things coming down the pike that may make

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us way to the Supreme Court. In regards to firearms
the Second Amendment, we're going to touch upon some of
those today. But he's coming up in a few weeks.
But today, Oh, Derek de Bross too. I don't know
if I mentioned that to you. Derek's going to jump on. Yes,
he's gonna jump on next month and talk about you know,
there's a whole new push now about the ability to
get your firearms rights back if you've lost those over

(08:57):
the years, and there's actually something in place to do that.
I mean it was unfunded for couple of stories on that. Yeah,
so that he'll be.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Coming up there.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
But today, you know, we're all if you're in the
firearms industry, you've talked about optics at some point, many times,
you know, for your rifles. And now she's most recently
the pistol market for optics has just just blown up,
and that conversation cannot be had without talking about aim Point.
And they are, Gee, they are at the top of

(09:25):
their game, and they are at the top of the
list to consider if you're looking for an optic for
your rifle and now also your pistol. Today, we're happy
to have a Ja's coming on with us A twelve
thirty to talk about their product line, their history and
of course and John, I don't know why I doubt you.
You know, you bring in your aim Point, which is
one of the first ones ever made.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
The first ones. I think I bought it in seventy five.
The company actually begin in February of seventy five. This
is their fiftieth anniversary this year. So and I've heard
about it and I said, I got to get one
of those. So this is my original aame Point that
they came out with and I was very enamored with it.
And I won't tell you all the things I was

(10:06):
doing with it back there, so sexual limitations probably run out.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
But yeah, yeah, it was just so exciting yet.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
Yeah, so I we're excited about that conversation coming up.
A couple other things. Actually, twelve twenty five, our good
friend Jerry's calling in. We have the Cigar the Capital
City Cigar Club event this week here at the store.
He's going to tell us about that. So he's going
to call in shortly.

Speaker 3 (10:26):
Wow, And I was like, I was smoking event.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
What it is? Just like I wrote it up for you, Jays.

Speaker 1 (10:35):
The one thing, you know, we went through a list
of guests coming up. One guest that we've been talking
about coming up and I heard from them this week,
which I'm a little disappointed on, was Remington. And when
I had spoken to them, she's a month or so
ago at a conference. They sounded like, y oh yeah,
we're opening up the facility. We're going to start making
guns again. We were excited about it. We actually placed

(10:56):
some orders and when I talked to him this week,
they said, oh no, sorry, it's actually not going to
be until at least January for that.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
So did they say what year?

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Right? Well, that's a good point. So it's been it
has been a wow.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Guys like to think our sponsors US law Shield just
saw them in here today. Jackson Egress Windows Black Wings
Shooting Center. Speaking of Black Wing on September twenty first,
Derek Debrace our good friend is going to be their
teaching a class, so that's one that you might look at.
And they have a defensive shotgun class coming up in October.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
That would be fun. Great Gallifritz Oh.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
So, I mean that is anything you can get with
with him is a good thing. Rivers Edge Kullery also
good friends of our good sponsors. On the thirteenth of
September is their twenty second anniversary party at their place.
If you haven't seen their place yet, you need to
go see it, and this would be a great time
to go on the thirteenth of next month.

Speaker 2 (11:56):
Let's see what other stuff do we have.

Speaker 1 (11:58):
Jac If you miss the show, you can always catch
the podcast six ten to BTV dot com, iHeartRadio, anywhere
you get your podcast, but also you can go out
there to YouTube and to Facebook and the shows sit
out there if you want to watch see some of
the stuff on the counter that we're talking about. It's
a good place to see it, and you can also
hear some of the discussion in between the commercials as well.

(12:19):
Jac let's go to some news here.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
What do you have?

Speaker 3 (12:22):
There's just a ton of stuff, Like you said, up down,
up the Okay, we'll continue once more with the sig
P three twenty saga, the ongoing how many stuff. We
spent hours on the show talking about this, but we
talked unfortunately, not unfortunately, we talked about it, but unfortunately
there was an incident where airman was shot and killed
with the sig P three twenty. The military version is

(12:47):
called the M eighteen and well the investigation by the
Air Force Global Strike Command. Those are the guys who
have all of our nuclear weapons, that's what they do.
This happened on July twentieth, and an incident was a
Warren Air Force Base and Airman Braden Levanne was shot. Initially,
the story was when he sat down his ma E teen,

(13:09):
it went off, shot him a chest and killed him.
But the Air Force investigation, oh, by the way, and
that led to a pause. They stopped using them a
teen pistol immediately for that For the Airstrike Command, but
the investigation suggests that the guns design may not have
been a contributing factor to the shooting. On Friday, just
to just yesterday, the Air Force Public Affairs Office announced

(13:32):
that a suspect has been arrested for lying about the
fatal shooting, and they've accused the arrested airman, who has
not been named, of killing Levan and lying to investigators
and have charged him with false official statement, obstruction of justice,
and involuntary bandslaughter. So it seems like there was more
to that story. Still, until this is all completed, they

(13:54):
still have not reinstated the use of the the mat,
but it sounds like it may be.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It is unfortunate, and that's why I hate to jump
on the b and why everything you hear something, I'll
look at that because you never know until that till
the entire story comes out.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
I feel bad for sigging this case.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Yeah, briefly, briefly, but the next story, the rest of
the story. This was interesting. This is I didn't have
this as a story, but last night was up till
four thirty in the morning. I'll kett of all these
If you own a sig P three twenty you should
look up a couple of things on the website on this.
Uh don't have anything written on this, but I'm doing
it off the top of my head. There is a

(14:31):
patent was applied for and it was I think April
thirtieth of this year, but it was printed on me
twenty seconds so it's available for the public. And engineer's
last name is McDonald. I forget his first name, Brian,
I think, but it was an engineer for SIG in
twenty eleven to twenty and sixteen, and he was aware

(14:53):
of the issue. He's applied for a patent to fix
this issue. And when you read about this, even if
I safety is on, if it comes with a safety,
the gun is capable of firing. He details all of
this and all the parts that are needed to fix it,
and it's it's you know, he was the engineer. He
was doing this and he said no, he said, this
is a matter of fact. The title of it says

(15:15):
how to fix and the unsafe p Three twenty And
you can see the actual patent of drawings everything, the
parts that are listed. There's a couple of sites stuff
there just type in on the internet. Most of his
stuffs on YouTube, but the unsafe, the patent to correct
the P three twenty, everything's fresh and new. And I'll

(15:38):
tell you this is it's a big deal because he said, hey,
this is how it happens. Even he just talks about
all the things that could make the firing pin be
able to fire without touching the trigger. Someone is just
pulling the slide back a little bit.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
It's scary when you watch the video, Jacon. You know,
we're seeing this.

Speaker 2 (15:58):
Falloutout the weeks.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I mean, now, I had a friend of mine emailed
me the other day. He's part of Richwood Gun and
Game Club. You know, they have basically banned the P
three twenty. Now, it was in regards to the IDP
a match they had, but still it was a topic
of their conversation. The other thing that we are really seeing,
I'm just just a statement of facts. We're seeing a
lot of agencies who carried P three twenties looking for

(16:23):
bids to get.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
Out out from them. Now.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
The problem is with that is oftentimes when we do
bids with police agencies, we're taking in their old duty guns.
I mean we sell them here and you know a
lot of times the are in great shape.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
It's a whole.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
Different scenario with these because that's not necessarily something that we.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Want and with retigious nature. Yeah, the public if we
would sell something, who in the world would say, what
do you do radio shows about this? You actually weren't
aware of this problem that went off and shot my
kids son in the leg, and right, I mean I
would run away, run away right away.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Right, I mean, in regardless of you, and you even
go down the path of okay, if you could sell
them for a couple of hundred dollars. But it's it's
that part of a JC is you don't know and
in the you know whether it's.

Speaker 2 (17:12):
True or not. There's a lot of these agencies that
are there life.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
I mean, this is a serious So if you own one,
to have a friend who owns one, have them look
this up. It's really detailed. But you can understand what's
going on in the videos you can see and this
engineer explains it pretty You know that this is what
needed to be done and they didn't do it. So
yes they can go off apparently, and yes they can
shoot and people have died, so uh uh.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
Anyway, what else you got, jac We got got two
minutes till three minutes.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
All right, can we get back on that, man, Mariland
is gonna take longer than that. But just gun sales,
this is a what yeah, I have to mention, it's
a it's a brief one. But for the first time
in six years, just a little under six years, gun
sales have dropped below the one million sales per month.
It's been every single month for almost six years. So

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this last July it was nine hundred and seventy eight
seven and thirty one firearms were sold below that mark.
But that's the very first time. The doldens of summer
and the I guess the comfort of having our president
support us has dropped that off. The other thing is
Stephen Katowski, who we've had on there and that's why
I get probably probably seventy five percent of my news

(18:22):
is it starts there. And he is no longer a
contributor to CNN. I didn't even know because I don't
watch CNN, but apparently CNN had this march to have
him do stories on CNN's guns in America, and he
was on their team two other people they let go earlier,
but they did not renew his contract. This year, they're
going to do it all in house, which means just

(18:43):
like CNN, that's going to go down the tubes, all right.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
But so it was good to see him on there,
to see someone that was respectful on there and stuff.
I got a couple of his things and they were
always really good. A couple other little things this this
is interesting, the Glock relationship with am Point. The guns
are called the coas, I mean, the co optics and
stuff on them, has been a tremendous seller, hard to get.

(19:07):
We just got word this week that they're going to
stop selling them to the general public in order to
fulfill law enforcement bids. So that is something that we're
not expecting to see anymore. I mean I just had actually,
just when we came on, the distributor texted me and says, hey,
we're expecting them in December, and I'm thinking, okay, of

(19:28):
twenty twenty six. So they're going to be hard to get,
and I don't think we have any more anyways.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
But still it's definitely.

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Worth specifically for that, for the five different blocks that
they have, and it's just really really good.

Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yeap.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
One last thing too, in just talking about how the
state of these cities are, you probably saw JC that
the president took over in some regards some of the
law enforcement you know, duties in DC. And this just
shows you the mindset out. I mean, you know what
chain of command it?

Speaker 4 (20:00):
Right?

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I think most people know what the word chain of
command is. You know, there is a chain of command.
There's somebody in front of you before. You can't just
go to the boss. You can't go to the chief.
You have a chain of command. But this week when
the chief the police, Pamela Smith, police chief of d C,
was asked by a reporter, how does this affect the

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chain of command now that you know there's federal troops
in there? Her reply was, what's chain of command?

Speaker 3 (20:29):
It's it's on video.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
My wife incredible, I mean, and she's leading the department.
That makes you wonder how she got to where she is.

Speaker 3 (20:38):
Maybe she's not in the chain of command. Maybe that's
why maybe nobody.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Hey, let's jump to a break. Jac on the other side,
we're gon guitar. Good friend. Jerry's gonna tellus a little
bit about a an event coming up this week Right
here at l EPD. We are broadcasting live from the
studios of LPD Farms and Arrange.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
We'll be back right after the break. Welcome back to
on target.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
Intro is a little longer I expected JC.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, yeah, back in the sattle. That's what it is.
J C.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
There you Gottle, You're back. Welcome back to on Talking.
I'm here's Eric joined today in the studio with JC.
We're going to jump right to the phone line though,
because our good friend Jerry is on with us.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
Jerry, how are you.

Speaker 5 (21:18):
Hello?

Speaker 2 (21:20):
Hello? I am so sorry.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
We we got long winded on news and you know
how that goes here.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Hey, not a problem, good show this afternoon, Eric, Thank you, Thad.
Sorry about that about the P three.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Somebody's actually going to I know it, I know it.
Every week it is more to this story. Hey.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
But this week though, this Wednesday, big event coming up
right here at l EPD.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Tell everyone about it.

Speaker 5 (21:43):
Well, it's it's our the Capital City Cigar Club, which
we've been around for about ten years in Columbus and
we have different events, different locations, businesses and so on,
so on and so forth around the around the city.
And thanks to you and your crew at l EPD
for hosting us this coming Wednesday afternoon and evening. We're

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going to have a sort of a shoot cars and
and cigars kind of event. We'll have shooting at your
range from five to six for their participants at a
A s always say a club rate. There you go
uh and then and then from six to nine. Our

(22:24):
event includes uh dinner UH includes two cigars uh, two
beers and two cocktails, and some great great camaraderie and fellowship,
a bunch of guys that love guns, love cigars, and
also we may have some pretty nice uh show cars
show up that that's hard to say, God willings the

(22:46):
weather holds up. But yeah, it's a it's a fun
it's a fun always a fun evening, and you meet
a bunch of great guys and gals. We have some
female members as well.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
I like cigars, great, great great now contra which you
say that the cigar and beer part of it is
separate than the gun part of it. It starts with
a little shooting and then ends up with that, right.

Speaker 5 (23:10):
Yeah, exactly, Yeah, but we'll be there. You can sign
up to the event at Capital City cigar dot com.
It's fifty five dollars per person, so it's a heck
of a deal for dinner, two cigars and two beers
and two Cocktails, Bus, the Fellowship and so on and
so forth, and you meet some really interesting people and.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
You guys do a great job putting this different locations
around the city.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
We're happy to host it this week, so.

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Jerry, we look forward to seeing you on Wednesday. Come
out and support that. Check out some cool cars and
enjoy some camaraderie.

Speaker 5 (23:47):
Amen, and some great cigars. And Eric, again, thanks to
your crew, and we really appreciate it. Thanks you, Gark Club,
Capcityfigar dot com, capity Star dot com.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
All right, guys, let's jump to the bottom of the hour
news we come back. We're going to talk to AJ
from ain point on talking at broadcasting life from the
studios of LPD Farms Range. We'll be back right after
the break. Welcome back to on talking to me. Here's
Eric joined today in the studio. I got JC to
my left and I have to mention the crowd look
at that.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
You never thought one guy.

Speaker 1 (24:17):
Could make so much noise, John, you know, but now
we always appreciate that the live studio audience a lot
of familiar faces each week, which is always great to see.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
Guys. If you've been a firearm.

Speaker 1 (24:30):
Enthusiast and you've put an optic on your rifle, maybe
most recently on your pistol. You have certainly most certainly
heard of one of the most famous brands and one
of the highest regarded brands out there, of aim Point
really getting their roots more I think on the rifle line,
but today just as much on the pistol I would

(24:51):
think as the rifle. So we were fortunate to become
a dealer with them a few months back, and you know,
it goes to the integrity of the company because because
during that process, I felt like we were being interviewed
as much as us wanting to just be a dealer.
I mean they you You really got the sense that
they didn't just say, oh, you want to be a dealer, Okay,

(25:12):
come on sell our products. It was a process that
went all the way to Sweden at times, and we
were very fortunate to partner with them. And so today
I thought we'd have one of their their sales professionals
jump on with us. AJ from Aimpoint Welcome on Target.
I was all right, yeah, we sound great, sound great.
I really appreciate you jumping on with this, especially on

(25:34):
a Saturday. We are super excited about our relationship and
our partnership here and we have for those watching on
Facebook and YouTube, we have a bunch of the product
line out there, but we thought we'd bring you on
in here firsthand a little bit about the history of
the company and what is aim Point today.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Absolutely, so, we started out in nineteen seventy five. I
turned fifty this year. We out with the Import Electronic
back in nineteen seventy five for the hunting community, and
that it's kind of evolved through the military and law
enforcements secord as well. Like you mentioned before, we're in
now most leadings are headquarters and Neils having an ultimate
factory up in yell of r which is in the

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Arctic Circle, and then our American side being in the
Nation's Virginia.

Speaker 2 (26:18):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
Wow, I didn't realize that. So you do you get
to go to the home office often?

Speaker 4 (26:24):
Absolutely. I try to get it up there as much
as possible when I'm on the road doing trade shows
and helping out customers for the most part, but try
to get up there as much as possible.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
If you ever need someone to go with there, I
mean done. I think we're real right, Yeah, okay, just
putting that out there.

Speaker 4 (26:40):
Come on, man, any time you want. Even if I'm
not there, there's always people there to welcome you.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
And it you know, and I mentioned at the top,
AJ that it really was you got a sense for
the integrity of the company in our process to become
a dealer. As an employee of that company, Do you
talk about what that's like to be an employee there?
I mean you used to get that same that same
feel absolutely.

Speaker 4 (27:05):
I mean the culture of the company I passed myself.

Speaker 6 (27:08):
Every morning I wake up and having this job, I
get to do what I love doing, selling of.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
The people I live and the products awesome as well.
So it's just it's a way went on all sides
that you know. Definitely, if anybody, if there's any openings,
you know, do everything you tend to get on because
it's a it's a great ride.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (27:26):
So going back to the beginnings, back to to seventy
five when this all started, talk about how that technology
has progressed. What we're fortunate And I think I may
have mentioned this to you Aja. We actually have one
of the first aim points sitting here on our studio
desk to visually see you, but talk about some of
the technology and what has changed.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Yeah, it's come a long way. Our first initial product
type was actually a toile paper tube with a dial
that was coming from our bread board back into seventy four,
and then it was produced at seventy five. But we're
kind of the major of Mile seven for about two years.
But it's definitely to be our a set technology which
stands for advanced against the certain efficiency technology and that's

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kind of a secret between but behind our battery life
and also our durability, and that's where we can get
multi year battery life without having to turn that optic off,
without incorporating any kind of extra systems that could fail
under requil. We also set the standard in terms of
optics testing on pistols with our acro. We did it

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at twenty thousand rounds of forty coun And you know
how snappy forty cow can be. And just give you
a little bit of context, Mike Tyson punches somebody in
the face as hard as it cames about fifty g's
of course, and for each shot on a forty cows
about seventy five hundred g's for it back and forth,
So giving that wow.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
So I'm just going to say, so if Mike Texan's
going to hit you just go ahead and shoot them
with a forty See there you got more punch he does.
I just want to add this one thing. The inventor
on this aren't extra And what you'd mentioned that that
he experimented with the empty toilet paper roll and a
light and some batteries. I'm just glad you did the
name it the Sharman and stead of the game point.
So I think that that was a good move on

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till his part.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Yeah, that was it. It goes back a little ways.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
So rifles obviously, aj was was where this got started.
And but but that's not I mean it has evolved.
Oh yeah, tons since then. Talk a little bit about
that evolution and about the whole optics on pistols now.
And you know, for those who still haven't gone out

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there and grasped that, why is that so important these days?

Speaker 4 (29:42):
So, especially when you're talking about rifle optics, the record
that you that you have on a rifle, even the
heaviest record rifle, will never come anywhere close to what
a pistol does, even on the nine millimeter. So everything
in terms of the diode, I mean, everything about the
pistol optic has to stay on the under recoil and
then it has to do its job by presenting a

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dot and being zeroed. So with that aset technology to
talk before, that's where it kind of sets us apart
for that when incorporated onto the pistol, the biggest thing
is going to be your mounting footprint, because I'm sure
you've gotten issues with the mounting screws for a lot
of the other optics team out there. So we kind
of went with the flow with our acro footprint, which
is basically a miniaturized Picatinny rail, which you get all

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the advantages of having that optic on there with the
return to zero properties and obviously keeping the optic on
the gun. Then going into the enclosed emitter, which quite
frankly should have been done from the start just because
of the duty related environments that the optic is going
to be put in, especially when it's in a holster
and attaches everything and for the general population of law

(30:45):
enforce and it generally has a cheetah dust and dipstick
glaze all over the back of it, so it has
to be able to not get in between the emitter
and that emission lens to go back into your eye
so that's really where we kind of put a lot
of our think we are focusing on that. So that's
that's where we kind of set ourselves apart from the industry.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
And really you have I mean, I don't think it.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't think a point ever had an open emitter
for the pistol, right, I mean, it's always been the
closed emitters.

Speaker 4 (31:14):
I am not aware of one boat. I can send
you a picture of all the optics we have, we've
ever produced, and the all of them are going to
be enclosed emitters because of the environmental issues, right right?

Speaker 1 (31:27):
And and you I mean, and you talk about that,
I mean, I think, and correct me if I'm wrong.
I mean, obviously the am point is, you know, tremendously
popular amongst the civilian market, but a lot of the roots,
I think are with law enforcement and military. So I
think that is what oftentimes you've been built to because
you know.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
The standards that they demand.

Speaker 4 (31:48):
Amen.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Amen, So what on the uh? I dont know? I
lost my train of thought JC all.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
So on the pistol optics, look about why it's important
these days for people to consider an optic on your pistol.
I mean, I'm still you know, I have one on
my duty gun. I'm still getting acclimated with it. But
what are the advantages of putting that optic on your
on your pistol.

Speaker 4 (32:15):
Really is when you look at the brain science and
the way that our brains interact with the dot and
then interact with irons, and eighty seven percent of all
sho in ball shootings that never saw the iron sights,
and the reason for that is because you lose near
focus and you lose the ability to do complex tasks
when you got group and shorts and somebody's trying to
kill you. So when you're looking at those iron sights,
you tend to look past iron sights at the thing

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that's questioning time on this earth, and then you look
at the threat, you run the gun, and then seventeen
round verse later, you're shooting your way into problems with
the dot. If the dot presents itself, you have that
proper presentation. You know that your grip's.

Speaker 6 (32:49):
Good, your draws good, and all you have to do
is wait for that dot to.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Show up on your target being a lamp saying you
may proceed, and then pressing the shot. I was in
your boat about I want to say seven eight years
ago where I was like, hell, no, we won't go
when it comes to dots on pistols. Once I got
properly trained, it's I can't go back to ours.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, And I think that's I think that's the key
you hit. It is properly trained. If you just merely
put one on your pistol and think that you're going
to walk away a better shooter.

Speaker 2 (33:19):
You have to practice with it.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
You have to practice the acquisition of that dot and
their drawl and everything else. Those who've committed to that
practice see tremendous results, and we've seen those in some
of the local agencies that we've outfitted with optics. I mean,
their scores have gone up once they've committed to it.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
And then the other thing that I wasn't aware of
is the fact that there's really no parallax at pistol
distance ranges. Is if the dots on it, even if
you're not lined up to the dots on the target,
it's going to go there. It's kind of a that
coming off guard a little bit, but that's a great
thing to have.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
We're talking to AJ from ain point.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Go ahead, sir, Oh, yes, sir, going to there's the
numbers flesh you thirtyty percent increase and head probability, and
that when you're talking about the parallax. Anytime lenses are involved,
there's always got to be parallax. But it will never
exceed the mechanical parallax for the size of the diet.
So go three and a half in way dot in
your object like on the acho or the cora. It

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will never exceed that three and a half inch dot
at one hundred yards.

Speaker 3 (34:20):
If that makes sense, Yeah, makes perfect sense.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Well, so AJ you know, it's a competitive market and
there are many competitors out there at all price ranges.
Talk a little bit about why somebody should who's serious
about putting these on their firearms? And when I say serious,
I mean for personal defense, not just going to the
range and having fun. But those who are serious, why

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consider what differentiates aim point from the rest of them,
some of those less expensive entries into the market.

Speaker 4 (34:52):
Yeah, I would say definitely our quality control or warranty
and then simplicity. A lot of people want the new
whiz bang saying, but when it comes down to the
brain we're using right now and the brain that's available
to us when we got throof on our source, so
I'm just trying to to kill you. You kind of ignore,
and there's no room for preference when it turns to
a lot of those extra features that won't be available

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to you when at the time of the shooting. The
simplicity and the design of the simplicity of the years
also lends to the ruggedness because there's no extra things
under recal to break and since everything's tightly controlled within
a clean room environment in Sweden, we can control that
QC perfectly.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Well.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Still, jeseus, one look at some of the notes here the.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
Shee'e. What was I going to say on that? There? Okay, okay,
here we go.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
The product line, the product line that you offer today
is pretty vast. When you go out there and look
across the website and stuff. Talk about some of the highlights,
the acros, the the patrol for the rifles. I mean,
some of the best sellers today talk about that product line.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
Yeah, if you're talking about your patrol Officer, you're definitely
looking at the pro which is a great optics. It's
basically a compound free If you're familiar with that optic.
I've had probably the past five months car fires and
vehicle fires where the optics survived pretty good. We obviously
supplied with the new one, but it's one of those things.
And then the duty RDS, which is basically kind of

(36:29):
a more accessible version of the micro T two, same footprints,
sane battery, same to metter Saine glass. It just has
an extreme deliverment housing when compared to the micro T
two which has a billet hasing. Uh. Then going into
the pistol line, started off with the Acro P one.
Obviously with the battery issues. We've made the new model

(36:49):
for P two, which is a multi platform site so
you can put it on pistols, rifle, shotguns, machine uns,
whatever you want to put it on. And then finally
going in with our most recent release scheme with the CoA.

Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, and the CoA has been tremendously popular. Do you
foresee that relationship going forward or what's going to be
stemming from that?

Speaker 4 (37:10):
So I'm not in in the that's way about my
paygrade in terms of what the inner dealing's going on
between Clock and co on that, but at least for
twenty twenty five, we have an exclusivity with them, and
I'm sure you're aware of the selling only to the
professional market as of right now, and that's because when
we did our original market the zip prediction back in January,

(37:31):
it got blown out tenfold, So it's just us time
of makeup for that. So when it comes to the
current system specifically, it's a plate list design, so you
don't have to worry about the issues you have with
the screws. I also have self preservation features that the
P two didn't have, where it has an auto step
down feature that after every two hours of not touching

(37:53):
the buttons, it'll start stepping itself down by one setting
until it hits setting nine and then it stays there.
And then also lock out features so if you interact
with it with like a the scale carry draw or
kind of any kind of training, it won't adjust your
optics intensity well.

Speaker 1 (38:08):
And then you know what the bottom line is when
you talk about the integrity of the product line and stuff.
When law enforcement and military is using it, then you
know it has stood the test of time. And I
think that you know, whether we talk about ammunition for
your guns or duty m of that type of thing,
when you when you base what you're carrying personally off
of what law enforcement and military carrying every day. It

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says a lot, and I mean the same point obviously
is one of the go tos on those fields. Talk
about warranty at all, talk about how you back the
product line.

Speaker 4 (38:41):
Yes, sir, I can speak on to the law enforcement
side of that where no questions answered that. So if
you had any issue whatsoever, it doesn't matter how small.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
Or big it is, no matter how well the off
it is.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
We'll be able to replace it for free. On that
we just just give us a call up if we
have it in stock, I'm sending a new one and
then we'll just take that one back and get it
picked up. But we have over five million optics in circulation,
and I are to ask people, with the footprint of
our company, how many technical sports staff do you think
we have.

Speaker 2 (39:13):
I can't imagine, like one.

Speaker 4 (39:16):
I don't know, man, is how many singular guy for
the one guy in the Nassas Virginia that takes care
of all those optics. So that kind of lends into
the ruggedness and the reliability of our optics. Usually it's
like small stuff like a switch getting broken off or
somebody cracking glass because it has glass. There's nothing we

(39:37):
can do about that, but we want to make sure
because we understand the headache of the process of getting
an officer offline, getting him a new optic, putting it
back on, zeroing it, and then certifying whatever he needs
to do that, so we want to make it as
payless as possible.

Speaker 1 (39:50):
Great, great, Hey, one last question before we let you go, Ajay, John,
has he brought in his nineteen seventy five aim point
it doesn't seem to be working at the moment.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Is that's something they can bring back to life?

Speaker 4 (40:02):
So I get real excited. Remember John Endler, he's that
Singler support guy. He can take a look at and
see what the issue is. If it's something we have
extra parts for, we can definitely fix her up. No
issues on that and anything else that's going to be
up to him and how he wants to attack it.
But in general, and that you're not the first person
to ask about that, and you're not the first person

(40:23):
that we got one six stuff, so.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
They probably wasn't born when I bought this.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
But yeah, great, well, Ajay, thank you so much for
taking time out of your Saturday to jump on. We're
super excited about everything with the aim point and stay
in touch on new products and uh we'll stay in
touch as well.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
Have a plan pleasure guy.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
All right, thank you so much, AJ from am point Man.
What a great product line, Jason. Let's jump to a
quick break and stuff on the other on the other side,
we'll come back and talk a little bit about some
of the optics. We're sitting here in front of us.
We're on Talking at broadcasting live from the studios LAPD
Firearms Range.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
We'll be back after the break. Welcome back to on Talking.
I'm here's Eric joined today with JC.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Says to my left, JC, I got I don't know
what maybe maybe I haven't been gone ten days. I
looked up at the clock there for a second and
I'm like, wha ella, I didn't take a break. And
then I get on, I don't know where I'm at
in place.

Speaker 2 (41:15):
I don't know. I mean I need to go back
to back to the cruise or something.

Speaker 3 (41:19):
But yeah, and one thing we should mention because we're
talking about this code, which is our latest, greatest, but
it is only available for a clock and only five pistols.
That clock makes right, It actually fits in like a
shoe or like you're putting on a ski boot or
something that goes into a slot and tightens down. But
if you want one, you have to buy the clock

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pistol that is cut out for it.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
So right and then, and they're not They're not going
to be available to civilian. He even reiterated that I'm
meant to ask him that. I'm glad he brought that up,
because that's the message we got this week. So that
is true. If there's any in the stores, it's probably
worth grabbing because they're not going to be around shit
ironic because we heck, when I left for the trip JC,

(42:03):
we were sitting on I think six or seven block
nineteen Coas. But the word must have got out, so yeah,
down here if you have one, to hold on to
that one for you, well, absolutely, I can't believe the
hour went by that quick. Wow, we could have used
some more time with him and Jerry and news and
where does the time go? John, As we said at
the beginning, coming up in the next few weeks, got some.

Speaker 2 (42:23):
Really good guests. Next week.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Uh, the Frank from car Arms are gonna be on
with us. He hasn't been on John since twenty seventeen.
I didn't realize that too, and it's not just CAR.
I mean it's Car, is Ido, Ordnance Desert Eagle BFR.
They that conglomeration makes some wonderful Gunsmpson.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
I mean they just have Yeah, there's a great quantity
of different guns. You can have everything, like you said,
the BFR yep, that revolver too.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
Yeah, and I'm gonna ask.

Speaker 1 (42:53):
I mean, the CAR used to be a solid product
for us here at the store, but they've kind of
dropped off on the market eating side of things. I know,
the younger generations, the younger guys here, you aren't fans
of Car, but they don't know it. But they were
wonderful guys at the time and they're still around.

Speaker 3 (43:09):
So they had seven patents on their On their trigger,
it was kind of off set, so lower, lower the
the aiming so you can have a higher grip hold
on That made a more accurate mind. It's one of
the most accident speak.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
Speaking of new products too, and I wouldn't even get
a touch on this. Smith and Wesson, they're enormously popular.
Shield plus Uh now they came out with a shield
X has a grip similar in structure.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
To the bodyguard. So yeah, I want to show those
in the next couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
Guys, thanks for spending the last hour with us, Thanks
to AJ for calling in our good friend Jerry. The
The event is this Wednesday. Stop I check that out.
It is Capital City Cigar dot com if you want
to join that And as always, as always, guys, let's
be careful out there