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Speaker 1 (00:00):
JC is out today, and oh, what are we going
to do for the weekly news? How about welcoming to
the show. One of the national experts on reporting on
Second Amendment rights and someone who keeps us all updated
on what's happening in the courts across the country regarding
our right to keep him bear arms. Stephen Katowski, founder
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of the Readload, joins us next on Target. Good afternoon.
We're broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Firearms Range
and Training Facility that's located at nine nine to nine,
Triple nine, Bethel Road. I'm your host, Eric, No Paul,
Paul today, No JC today. Ed, you know the rumor,
I'm just I hate to spread rumors, but the rumor
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is they both have plumbing problems.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I heard that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yes, yes, it's kind of different, but the same. Yeah,
still the same. So we hope they both get those
issues resolved.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That that happens. Yeah, that with the pipes and stuff.
Yeah sometimes when they yeah, pipes freeze, pipes break right, Yep,
thats don't work. Yeah, all that, Ed, EDG I tell you,
I don't know about you. I'm worn out this week.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm just doing a rough one, worn out mentally and
physically I'm with you. Yep, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We got to sleep theday and it felt pretty good,
good all week long. At five in the morning just
comes too damn right.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yep, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (01:25):
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we got to start by giving a shout out to
two of our good friends, Attorney General Dave Yos absolutely
and FLPRE President Brian Steele, both who sat here with
us for the entire show last week, and both who
have been very vocal this week with everything that's going
on front Liners. Absolutely, these aren't These aren't people who
just sit These aren't leaders who just sit in the background.
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They've been out there, they lead. Brian, did you see
Brian's was with President Trump this week? Yeah? On Thursday,
he was part of a contention that went to the
White House to talk about law enforcement and what we
need to do to protect these men and women. I mean,
Brian's right there on the front lines of that. And
of course our own Attorney General Dave Yo spoke at
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the eulogy uh for Deputy Share. So these these guys,
we were so thankful that they both spent time last
week to sit here with us and talk about everything
that needs to be done out there. Today on the show,
it's going to be a little bit more laid back.
We need one of those every now and than ed
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And actually John called me right before the show and says,
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I can't believe I'm not there when Steven's gonna be
on the founder of the Reload's gonna join us. And
if you don't know what the Reload is is, it's
a publication that I think is done daily and it
keeps everyone updated on a lot of these court cases
that are going through course that affect our rights to
keeping bare arms. And it is a source, a big
source for John each week on a lot of the news.
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And to have Steven on with us is just gonna
be wonderful. We're gonna hear firsthand about some of these
things that happened. And it was a big week this
week regarding the Supreme Court and some of them tipping
their hat a little bit on some things that are
coming down the pike.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
And John comes up with a lot of news.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
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distinguished trainers today doing CCW there, Vince. Have you ever
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I have that. Well it's probably for the better. But anyways,
if you go out there and check out our reviews,
Vince his name is all all over it. He gets
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think he's paying what I mean, And I'm all right
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He gets a ton of reviews. He's been doing CCW
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we're so blessed to have him up there for CCW.
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Here joining me today in the studios. It is just
Ed and I Ed. You know what's kind of nice.
I'm glad it's kind of you and I here's just
a couple couple.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, I think I can get a little bit of
word than.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Edge you can. Yeah, really, I mean what I'm gonna do. Definitely,
definitely a tough week this week in Morrow County. We
were both there, saw you there as fortunate to be
a part of the contingent from the Perry down here.
We had three of our honor Guard up there, so
including your son, I mean always Eddie. I I know
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we joke about him and stuff, but man, what a
good kid. I say kid, but I mean just for
him to be a part of our honor Guard and
to go up there and represent part of the communities
down here, and to see you up there, it was you.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Know, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was it is. It's always moving on those you
hate to go to them, but it is such an
outpouring of support from the community and from the law
enforcement community. It's overwhelming to see the brotherhood and sisterhood
in that profession.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And it's unfortunate that's when we see the most of it.
But I mean we know it's there. We know ourselves
from working in this line of work. We know they're there.
But when you see it all come together like that,
and it's not just you know, central Ohio. It wasn't
just you know, the northern counties. It was the nationwide.
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I mean we had departments there from Dallas, Texas, Chicago,
New York. I'm almost sure there was also from San Antonio, Texas.
It was it was a nice a nice turnout and
it was a great thing to see the Brotherhood there
to show their support. It's a sad time to have
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to see that again. Like I said, you and I
know it's there, but when the public sees it, they're
in awe. Yeah. And the the the people that helped
out with everything that took place, I want you know,
I got I got some people I want to thank,
but I don't want to interrupt. Good name here are we? Okay? Yeah?
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CPD Motor Unit, those guys and OSP phenomenal and and
getting the traffic set up and getting us through the
traffic the procession can't say enough for them. Isaac is
a great leader of that group and couldn't ask for
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anything more. And I know that the brass at my
department were very appreciative to have them there and their help,
and it's it's a sad time, but to see that
support made everybody feel a lot safer and a lot
better about what we do. Let alone, the other departments Perry, Perry, Columbus, Worthington, Arlington.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
All of them we had. We had I don't know
if you knew this, we had we all met at
the FOP lodge down here locally and one up in
that caravan just under sixty cruisers in our care. And
that wasn't I mean that like CPD had already been
up there and everything else. That was just that was
just the contingent that we went up with.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And the support outpouring support from the community locally in
Morrow County. Thank you to all those folks. Thank you
to everybody for your support. We we really appreciate it.
Dave Yost, the Governor, was there. I mean, it was
just it was a great time to be involved in
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law enforcement, but a sad situation and the same fact and.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It was you know, as they went through the eulogy.
I was amazed to see and you might you probably
knew this beforehand. The deputy shere. I mean, you remember
when you were a kid in third grade and they
have you write down a piece of paper, what are
you going to be when you grow up? They had
it must have been from his parents on a note
like you would see on the side wall of the
hallways of your elementary school. His little thing that he
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had put up in sixth grade. I think, wasn't there
something like that that says, I want to be a
policeman and protect people in our community, something to that effect.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I have to put my life on the line for you.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You talk about someone who it's uh instilled upon him.
I mean, jeez. So yeah, well, you know, as they
always do, you got to go on. I mean, you
gotta go on. You get back out there and there
you go. Speaking of you back on the horse ad too.
One of the things that people often ask us is,
you know, police need more training. And I don't think
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you'll ever get to a point where you say we've
had enough training. I think it's always a good thing
and whatever you do. But this week I had the
upper tunity of doing some of that continuing education training
that people don't see. And we're fortunate to have someone
locally that goes all to Ohio now, former Commander Bob Meeter,
who's been on the show. We went through his training
this week. And for those who don't know the law
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enforcement profession, it's not just about going out there and
you know, how do you put handcuffs on a bad guy?
There is so much more on the backside of that
about the laws and Bob, I mean he takes you know,
there's a couple thousand court cases a year. He said
that can affect how you do your job. And we're
not just we're not talking little things. It affects how
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you approach a car, how you handle that approach. I
mean the marijuana thing in the last couple of years,
I mean that's a huge thing. Marijuana might be legal
in Ohio, but it's illegal to smoke it in a car.
So if you're smoking it in a car, and as
an officer, you can articulate that you have the odor
of a burnt marijuana, you have a right to go
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into that car to further investiga. I mean, there's so
much that that the general public doesn't see, and they
stand up there, especially the protests. You need more training.
And I'll never say we're at the point of not
needing training.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
They'll be at the point of not.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You shouldn't be. You shouldn't never be satisfied. You should
always be. But the class that he puts on and
the things that that he helps us with, it's it's enormous.
And the you know, to get your hands around.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That, it's it's more than just wearing the badge and
the gun, absolutely so much more. And the public, the
general public doesn't see it. They don't know it, and
when they think we're in the wrong, they are very
voistous about it. But when it's shown to them, they understand.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And it's it's ingrained in us, not just in the academy,
but in these continuing educations. The utmost importance is protecting
the civil rights of people, I mean protecting their fourth amendmory.
I mean everything we do is center around that. Hey,
is that what you did? Is that is that you know?
Are you violating seven civil rights? It is a topic
of conversation almost daily. I mean it it's that important,
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and that is not we don't do a good enough
job in the profession letting the general public know that
that is continually going on in the back end of it.
So and that's also a compliment to Dave Yost as well,
who helps set those standards for mandating the training. So
that's all stuff that you know that the most people
don't see every day. Guys, if you missed the show,
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you can always catch the podcast I set six to
ten WTV in dot com. We're on iHeartRadio of course,
out there on YouTube and on Facebook. You might notice
on our Facebook feeds we're starting to do a little
bit more out there, starting to put out some sales
our Instagram, we're starting to get re acclimated with that.
You'll start to see some more posting. A post I
put out there for us when we were going up,
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I don't if you solid do our professional up to
the funeral this week it had over forty thousand views ed.
I mean, that's that's that's it gives you a glimmer
of hope, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And again, thank you to Franklin County for helping to
put that together. Their honor Guard is the best.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, unbelievable, the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And Chief Gilbert, you're being right there in the mix
of it all.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yep, absolutely, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Let's jump to a break. When we come back on
the other side, we're going to get to a couple
of pieces of news and hopefully a gun of the week.
We're on talking about broacasting live from the studios of
LAPD Farms and Range. We'll be back right after the break.
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Speaker 2 (14:56):
Back, thank you, Hello, I can't hear myself. Hello, it's
gonna ride like the wind. Baby.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, you know? Why tell me what you know? I
always got a significance to the songs, right, yes, you do. Today,
my nephew Okay is running in the statement down at
o Issue here running in the mile in another race
and has a chance to win it. Good for him.
I hope he does. I hope so too. So this
is up for Matthew out there that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
This song brings back memories from you when you were
running forty years ago. I was, Look, we're working on
a singing career.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And this was somebody else's singing career on my singing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Career, and this was a song that I was given to.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And just now you tell us this.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, I except forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh we're going to circle back around to this, Edward,
this ain't good. We ain't dropping this. Hold on write there. Yeah,
welcome back to on Target. I'm here's Eric joined today
in the LYPD studios. Big Ed and I kind of
going through some things we haven't been able to touch upon. Hey,
this we didn't get a touch upon it last week.
Super sad news. Last week Bernie Carrot died.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, a friend of the shows had been at the
store several times.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, we met him several times.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, we often texted with him with him, if I'm
not mistaken, Yeah, I think we did. Yeah, it's just
he's one of those guys, one of those old school
police guys. Was, of course the commissioner and at NYPD
during nine to eleven, one of those no nonsense, enforcing
the law type of guys, so sad to see him go. Yeah,
I think his son is still in Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They were forced to be reckoned with back.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Absolutely. Yeah, we could use that again. Guys. Yesterday to
eighty first anniversary of D Day eighty first, and you know,
I think as generations go on, we start to lose
sight of the sacrifice those men and women. Did you know?
I was looking up some of the stats stint ten
thousand servicemen lost that day. Ten thousand Can you imagine that?
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And what's even more shocking, there was something called the
Tiger Exercise or Exercise Tiger that occurred prior to that.
It was a I think a practice for D Day.
They lost almost eight hundred men and women during the practice.
Now I think there was something with the Germans might
have infiltrated into that, but still eight hundred during the
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practice of it. You're trying to get ready for this
massive invasion and you lose eight hundred people. I mean,
the sacrifices for them were eternally grateful to that. So
what else? Oh, last week, guys, we talked about Kim J. Brown,
who let the idiot thug out on, who was convicted
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of one conviction. I mean it had been charged with
a bunch of F one charges and let him out
on probation. If you didn't hear that monologue, that's worth
going back listening to. I was at the jail last
night and I was talking to a friend I wasn't visiting,
and that's a whole other story. I won't have enough time.
But she reminded me of a text exchange that her
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and I had had last year concerning the same judge.
Listen to this ed and I totally forgot about this,
But this judge needs to be held accountable. Last year,
how about this bard something? And this is certainly getting
passed on to to Brian and those folks. Last year
there was an individual a bell Vella Cruz. Okay, illegal,
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he's illegal here, there's no there's no disputing that he's
in our country illegally. He was charged get this with
an F one I remember, felony of the first degree.
It doesn't get There's there's nothing great hire that higher
than what this is serious stuff. He was charged with
a felony of the first degree for kidnapping, a felony
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of the first degree for rape, and F one for
a burglary and an f one for kidnapping, okay, and
the friend of mine. It was her patient that this
guy terrorized, and so it happened. Guys, it happened. Stole
her money, stole her car, physically assaulted her, sexually assaulted her.
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A bad guy who ended up in Kim J. Brown's courtroom.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I'm sure she put the hammer down on him.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And it is this is this in and of itself
is almost criminal. He walked out of there pleading guilty
to an m one a misdemeanor of the first degree
assault and was given probation.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm speechless, Eric, I mean, I how many?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I mean I alluded to it last week. How many
of these future killers has she let out? I mean,
we're just we stumbled, We stumbled upon a couple of
these things. If this was her normal course of business,
how many of these are walking amongst us?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think she got her law degree out of a
crackerjack box? Does she have one out of a crackerjack box?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's incredible, It's really sickening. We need somebody, and I
wish I had the time to do it, to go
and pull off her cases and pull what the charges were,
what the sentencing ended up as, and hold her accountable.
That that is incredible, that is.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And I'm sure, I'm sure that that case you're talking
about was probably pledged down and it didn't go to trial.
Oh probably Therefore, ye, she could reduce what she did,
thinking it will make him better, We'll save it.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I always try to you know, I don't know
the specifics of the case. I don't know. Maybe you
know the maybe who knows everything that went into it.
But man, when you start to see these time and
time and time and time again, you start to see
a pattern, and there's one common denominator and it's Kim J. Brown,
then you start you start to have to questioning.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That all is this? Do you see We've told you
about how Franklin County is, the court systems are, and
what they're not doing by prosecuting and giving these breaks.
Watch what happens up in Borrow County. It is going
to be night and day difference when you see what
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happens there. The prosecutor up there is hell bent on
making sure that the subject that killed a deputy share
get the death penalty as well as all the other
charges that come along with the assault on his brother
in law, the assault on his spouse on top of
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or including the killing of Deputy Share. The man will
not walk out of that jail.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I promise you that is that because the laws are
different Tomorrow County.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Is that what they do? They have different laws up there? Ed, No,
we have no different laws. It's the same laws. He's
going to apply those laws. There will not be any
deal making. There will not be any please prior to
the trial. It will go to trial and he will
be found guilty and hopefully we'll get the death penalty
and and then not he will have life in prison
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and never see daylight again. But if we get, if
he gets, if the prosecutor gets what's well deserved, it
will be the death penalty. And you'll see a big difference.
You won't see where he has these f ones, and
he's got several of them.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You won't see him plugged down to a misdemeanor. Right head,
Let's go to the bottom of the avenues. When we
come back on the other side, we're super excited to
have the founder of the Reload with us, mister Stephen Katowski,
and he's going to be joining us getting us up
to speed on some things that are going on out there.
With the Supreme Court going to be like having John here.
Kind now, it's never like having John there. But guys
(22:58):
are on Talko broadcasting life from the student of LPD
Farms Range. We'll be back right after the news. Welcome
back to on Target. I'm your host, Eric joined today
in the LPD studios.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You're awfully low on volume. It was a low volume.
How's that that's better?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
All right?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I can hear you. Welcome back to on Target. I'm
your histeric joint today with Big Ed in the LPD studios.
We're live at nine to nine nine Bethel Road. Guys.
Every week on this show, we look forward to j
C giving us highlights on not just the firearms industry,
but more importantly on our right to keep him bear arms.
You may have heard him, you may have heard us joking.
(23:39):
But John spends a lot of time researching. There's so
much news out there when you look at the industry,
when you look at the courts, and he you know,
pairs it all down just to the short segments that
we have. But if you've listened to John in the Bass,
one major source for a lot of his stories is
something called the Reload. You've heard that, right, We've heard
him reference that. If you've not checked it out for yourself,
(24:02):
don't know what you're waiting for, because it is certainly
something worthwhile going out there and checking out, called the Reload. Well,
today we are so fortunate to have the founder of
the Reload with us here on the show. Ed mister
Steven Kotowski. How are you doing, sir, Hi, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I am so thankful for having you. I mean, saturdays
are always tough, and I always feel bad having guests
on because the weekends are so precious to a lot
of people. But thank you so much for jumping on
with us today and here in a little bit talking
about some of the important things for the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Absolutely no problem looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Did you so tell us a little bit about yourself?
I think the Reload's been around since about what twenty
twenty one, but you've been writing about the gun industry
and the laws and so forth for a long time now.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, absolutely, really, since I got in this business of
journalism back gosh, after college two thousand and nine or so.
And you know, honestly, I didn't start off specializing in firearms, right,
it was something where I was writing about you know,
policy and politics. I was working actually at the Media
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Research Center at the time, which is a media watchdog group.
And then I got interested in firearms, you know, personally
as a you know hobby and as for self defense.
And as I got more and more interested in owning
guns and shooting and all that, it became naturally more
and more part of my writing. And so I ended
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up at the Washington Freebeacon, which is a great publication
based in DC. And they you know, they want their
writers to have a beat, and that sort of was
a natural fit for me. And and yeah, I've been
I've been doing that ever since I started, as you mentioned,
the Reload back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And it's an.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Independent publication funded by you know, memberships from readers and
and you know, dedicated to sober, serious reporting and analysis.
That's you know, that's been the journey for me.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Wow, that that's great. And you know, and you probably
sold yourself short a little bit, but you've been all
over I mean on CNN, Fox News, I mean you've
become kind of an expert in this field. And now
I mean on Target radio show, I don't know if
it gets much better.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Than this, but absolutely have.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And you've been on the cover of Time, Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
That that is right? They did the Guns in America
addition a couple of years back, and I was the
one reporter on the cover with the Yeah, that was
both by myself. There are a lot of other people
there too, but it was a really fascinating, great experience.
And and yeah, I've been on all the cable news
channels that have been quoted in all the major newspapers,
(26:52):
The Times, the Posts. A CNN contributor right now, so
they you know, I'm under contract with them. I'm also
a contributor at We the Free, which is a new
stream service that's focused on gun content. Contribute at the Dispatch.
I have like four jobs now, wow, which is a lot,
I guess, but it works out well.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And really we joke about it and stuff. But I mean,
you are so needed in this. I mean for a
lot of people who are firearm enthusiasts, but you know,
they go on with their daily lives and their daily
jobs and don't have the time to be as in
depth with this. Publications such as The Reload gives us
that opportunity to check in and see what's going to
(27:36):
affect us, and it does. I mean, some of these
things we can't just brush them aside because it can
literally affect our right to keeping bare arms, our right
to carry and when we can use that right. So
the job you're doing is extremely needed. Do you see
I mean, and this is probably a rhetorical question, but
(27:57):
do you see a time where where the real life
roads not needed, where the courts have sorted this out,
there's no ar bands, there's no magazine bands, and we
go about our business.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Well, we may get to those, uh, the outcome where
there's no ar or magazine bands, actually relatively soon that
I think that's one of the things we're going to
talk about. But you know, I don't know that we're
ever going to get to a point where this isn't
a contentious issue. You know, there's a lot of division
over this over gun policy in America, and you know,
even if the Supreme Court settles some of these questions,
(28:30):
I think they'll always be new ones because people are
always going to have different views on what should and
shouldn't be allowed, what's what's protected by the Second Amendment,
what's not so you know, I don't. I don't think
there will be a time where there won't be a
need for serious, you know, reporting on this. And that's
that's really what I see the reload as it's building
a niche that you know, is kind of left wide
(28:54):
open by major media often doesn't have a good understanding
of firearms or of of gun owners right, gun culture,
and so there's there's big blind spots there. They may
know a lot about how you know, Congress works or
Capitol Hill works, but they don't have a good understanding
of firearms. And then the other on the other end,
(29:14):
you have a lot of gun publications that have a
really good understanding of how firearms work, of gun culture.
You know, they could tell you the muzzle velocity, uh,
you know of five, five, six, But but they don't
have a strong understanding of how the political system works
as well, especially BC itself, which is a whole, you know,
(29:36):
separate animal. And that's where I think I've tried to
position the reader to be a publication that understands both
guns and politics and policy of them, and that is
also focused on hard news reporting instead of opinion, because
there's a lot of it. There's a lot of opinion.
A lot of it's good. There's a lot of good
(29:57):
opinion out there in the gun space, but there's as
much serious reporting in that. So that that's what I
that's what I try to, you know, focus our work on.
And I think it will always be need Maybe not
honest me, because you know, at some point I'll retire, hopefully,
but you know, I think it'll it'll always be something
(30:17):
that's needed generally in the community.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I think the one thing about the reload, for
at least for me, is you can be a knowledgeable reporter,
but it's also how you format it and bring that
news to the consumer. And I think just either the
format or your your style of writing, whatever it is.
Every time I see the emails come through, they're catchy.
(30:41):
I mean, I mean, I want to read more about it.
And so however you do it, and however your your
staff writers do it, it's it's very appealing and it
gets the point across. It answers the questions that I
once answered, and so I really I think great great publication.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I appreciate that you know, it's got to be accurate,
but also you want people to be able to be
interested in reading it. Right, that, So we try to
make sure we stay on both sides of that line.
We don't want to write clickbait or you know, sensationalize things,
but we do want to make sure that we're we're
covering the things that people are going to be interested in.
It's going to have like a national purview to it,
(31:20):
and we're doing it in a way that is both
interesting and understandable. Because you know, you read a Supreme
Court ruling, the average person or even myself or you know,
lots of lots of reporters, people who do for leny,
it can be hard to digest that and to understand
the legal leaves unless you're unless you're doing it all
the time and you're keeping in mind, you know, how
this what they're really saying here, right, Plus there's all
(31:43):
kinds of other stuff. There's all kinds of other stuff
beyond what they actually write too. They have to take
into consideration, right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And I know one of the stories we're going to
talk about here shortly, one of the Supreme Court some
of the summariserves something that they just recently put out.
It was like forty eight pages and you're, you know,
you guys consolidated it down to an article that was
easy to read. You understood it, and I mean it
would have you know, taken a long time for me
to get through all that, but I appreciate it. So
let's jump to a break. When we come back on
(32:10):
the other side, let's talk about some of the news
of the day. Huge week for the Supreme Court, not
just on what they ruled, but also on what they
kind of tipped their hat on what they may be
ruling on shortly, So let's jump to a break. When
we get to the other side, will continue our conversation
with the founder of the reload. We're on talking proactesting
live from the studios of l EPD Firearms Arrange. We'll
be back right up to the break. You know, Ella's good.
(32:36):
You shouldn't talk negative about her. I didn't say anything
bad about Ella. I mean she's she's good. I mean,
she's always pertinent. I choose the first song, she's choosing
the second song. She's always spot on. So you'd be
nicer too.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Taking a picture of me saying bad things about her.
I love Ella. I think she's great.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
We all love Ela all right, unless she show up
around the store occasionally. But guys, welcome back to on Target.
I'm your host, Eric joined today in the LPDE studios.
I got big Ed sitting to my right. Jac will
be back next week and I have well hopefully yeah,
I have the founder of the Reload, the online publication
that talks about everything about your right to keeping bear arms,
(33:13):
Stephen Katowski, with us. I'm so happy you're here. Let's
talk a little bit Stephen about some of the things
that happened this week in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
The first one is the ruling in favor of the
US versus Mexico. Tell us what happened there?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, So this was the suit where Mexico was attempting
to hold Smith and Wesson and other American gun makers
liable for ten billion dollars in damages based on the
idea that they ought to be responsible for cartel violence
that occurs in Mexico with American made firearms. And this
(33:58):
may surprise some people, this was actually a unanimous decision
tossing out this lawsuit, with Justice Olena Kagan writing for
the court, one of the liberal justices, the Democratic appointee,
and you know, they all nine justices agreed that this
case was not viable, that essentially Mexico. There's a federal
(34:21):
law right that it's called the Protection of Lawful Commerce
in Arms Act. The pass back in two thousand and five,
and it's designed for event lawsuits against gun companies under
the idea that they should be liable for the criminal
acts of third parties. Now, there's some exceptions to this
law that basically revolve around whether you know, if the
gun company was involved in a crime, like they were
(34:43):
involved some way in the crime, then you can sue
them for liability for the use of their firearms and
the crime. And Mexico claimed they tried to claim at
least that the American gun companies like Smith and Wesson
were aiding in a betting the cartel members through the
(35:03):
more or less the fact that was foreseeable that some
of their guns, especially in particular Mexico zeroed in on
what they called military style guns, but include like AR fifteen,
some MEDICAAR fifteens, and also guns with Spanish names or
with historical like Mexican icons on them. Yeah, they claim
(35:27):
these guns are particularly attractive to cartel members and that
essentially the gun companies shouldn't sell them. And also they
claim that you know, because the gun companies don't try
to force dealers to abide by stricter sales policies than
(35:48):
what American law requires that they should be, that they're
partially liable for the trafficking of fires, the illegal trafficking. So,
you know, especially the court said unanimously, this doesn't hold up.
There aren't any really extra anatomy specific claims of any
actual criminal acts on the part of the gun companies
(36:10):
or really anyone and have specific claims about anyone at all.
So it's hard to even establish that, you know, who
are they aiding a betting if you're not there's no
specific crime that you're pointing to here. There's more. They're
just sort of talking about the general blow of the
legal guns to Mexico. So, you know, the outcome is
very good for the gun industry. I think it's a
(36:31):
big blow to gun control activists who have tried to
keep these types of lawsuits alive since the PLCAA was
passed back in two thousand and five. You have, they
had seen some success with like the the Remington settlement
with the Sandy Hook families that was never never got
to the merits trial, but they did settle for a
(36:54):
big amount. And so since then, you've seen a lot
of gun control activists, including the lawyers who are involved
in this case used to work for I believe it
was Brady, one of the major dunk control groups, and
so you know, you've seen them try to do these cases.
And this is actually the first time that the court
has ruled on this federal law and the protections and
how far they extend the protection Lawful Commerce and Arms Act,
(37:17):
and so it's definitely a major victory, I think for
the gun industry.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, it seems so obvious to us, but it's nice
that the Supreme Court now has come out and ruled
on that. Speaking of seeming obvious, there's been a case
regarding the banning of ars and the banning of high
capacity magazines as they define it, and the Court seems
to be kicking this down the road. Continually, talk for
(37:43):
a second about what that means when they continue every
week to kick it down the road, but more importantly,
talk about this week and the little tip of the
hat that many picked up on in regarding these cases.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, so there were two cases dealing with the laws
that that you mentioned there. There was a one out
of Rhode Island with their it's actually confiscational. You can't
possess the magazines that hold more than ten rounds after
a certain date, and so they wanted to preliminary injunction
to block that. The court denied that. After yeah, fifteen weeks,
(38:17):
they relisted the case of teen Times, whicheems like they
accepted for consideration, and then they go to what's called
a conference, and no one knows what happens. They don't
tell you during those conferences until you get an order
list and they tell you whether they accepted a case
or they rejected a case, or or you know, what
have you, whatever they do with the case, or sometimes
they relist it so it means they get hurt again.
(38:39):
They did that fifteen times with this magazine band case,
and on Monday they finally made a decision, and the
decision was to deny the case. That they're not intervening,
at least not at this stage. The Court has been
really hesitant to intervene in any Second Amendment cases before
the final merits hearings are done by all the lower courts,
(39:03):
so they've been really wanting to wait until the case
is fully through the lower courts before they'll do anything
on a second mic case. I mean they do that
on most cases, but not all cases. Anyway, said they
rejected that one. There were three descents. Gorthitch, Thomas, and
Alito would have taken the case up, but the rest
of the court wouldn't have. And then more importantly, there
(39:27):
was a case called snow f Brown, which is about
Maryland's assault weapons dandcase or you so called assault weapons
you know AR fifteen's, AK forty sevens, other semi automatic
firearms like that. And this dealt with a case that
was already through all the steps, already done the merits,
but this is the last stop as a Supreme Court.
And they also relisted that one fifteen times before finally
(39:51):
saying we're not going to take up the case, which
is a loss for the gun rights advocates in this situation.
They wanted them to take up the case. They thought
this was they finally got one fully to the merits,
ready for action from the Supreme Court. In the Supreme Court,
as you mentioned, kick the can down the road. What
we did get though, as you're alluded to, is a
(40:12):
statement from Brett Kavanaugh. Justice Brett Kavanaugh, one of the
conservatives Trump appointee from the first term. He put a statement.
He was one of the ones who didn't vote to
take up the case, but his statement essentially said that
he believes the lower court that upheld this ar band
was wrong and that AR fifteens are in common use,
(40:35):
which is an important threshold for protection under the Second Amendment,
based on what the Court is said in the past
and their previous rulings on this stuff, and so you know,
it gives you a pretty good insight into that he
is likely to vote to strike down Solivon's bands and
when they do take a case. And he also said essentially, well,
(41:00):
don't take this as the Court saying we agree with
the lower court upholding this law. There's more of these
cases coming. There's several more going working through the lower
courts on the same issue. He said, that will give
time for percolation they call it. Basically, it'll let the
lower courts issue their opinions so that court can have,
you know, other different viewpoints to look at before it decides.
(41:23):
And then he he said that they were He said
not just that they should take up one of these
cases in the next term or two, but that they
will take up one of these cases in the next
term or two. And to me that says he's fairly
confident in his position.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You know, seems likely that the court will, once they
actually take up this case, strike down than a Sulivan's
ban as unconstitutional on as secondment.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
That would be all. I mean, that would be wonderful.
I mean, that would be once and for all kind
of putting it to rest.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
You know, if they would take and spend the amount
of money and time on prosecuting the people who aren't
supposed to have guns and keeping them out of the
hands of the bad people, would we would have so
much less problems in the world than having to sit
and go into this court cases fifteen twenty thirty times. Yeah,
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to stop the American people who are law abiding gun
people from having them.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Exactly. You're exactly right, exactly, Stephen. We're close on time.
But one thing I wanted to get out there too
that I thought was really important. This week. This city
group who has been basically anti gun, anti gun industry,
came out this week and reversed their decision that's been
going on for a while, and now they want to
welcome the gun industry back. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, after Parkland, City Group and a number of other
major banks at institute of these gun policies or they
wouldn't work with certain businesses unless they In City Group's case,
they said, you know, if you're selling any guns to
anyone under twenty one, or if you're selling what they
called high capacity magazines. That they didn't define what that meant,
but I think we all get the idea. It's usually
(43:12):
ten rounds or more, although the standard changes state to
state on that one. But you know, essentially every gun store,
right it would be impacted by this, you know, because
most guns stores sell at least long guns to under
twenty one because it's legal to do so. And so yeah,
they kept that in place from twenty eighteen until just now,
(43:33):
and now they're reversing course. You know, there was a
lot of backlash from conservatives but also Republican lawmakers and
now the president. So they've they've chosen to undo that policy.
Whether at gun companies are going to want to work
with that is another question, but were right.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I don't see us getting involved in that anytime soon.
Stud Unfortunately that we are out of time. I so
appreciate you calling in, and you've got to come back sometimes.
Certainly reach out to us anytime there's sure big breaking news.
We'll have you jump on. But tell us real quick,
how do we get to the reload?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, just thereload dot com. You can head over sign
up for our free weekly newsletter. All the major reporting
is in front of the paywall when we have analysis
pieces for our members, because that's how we keep our
publication running.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Wonderful. Thank you so much, Steven Gatowski. Thank you for
all you do, not just today, but everything you do
in supporting the Second Amendment. We'll certainly stay in touch. Guys.
We didn't get to the guns of the week, but
let me just tell you there was some neat trade
ins here that you might want to see. If ED
doesn't buy him all, No, we have enough ED. You
can buy yours, and we still have enough for our customers. Guys,
(44:44):
Thanks for spending the time with us. Thank you for
all the support this week in the law enforcement community.
We will see you next week.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
And as always, hey, can I say it, yeah, let's
be careful out there.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
What
JC is out today, and oh, what are we going
to do for the weekly news? How about welcoming to
the show. One of the national experts on reporting on
Second Amendment rights and someone who keeps us all updated
on what's happening in the courts across the country regarding
our right to keep him bear arms. Stephen Katowski, founder
(00:20):
of the Readload, joins us next on Target. Good afternoon.
We're broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Firearms Range
and Training Facility that's located at nine nine to nine,
Triple nine, Bethel Road. I'm your host, Eric, No Paul,
Paul today, No JC today. Ed, you know the rumor,
I'm just I hate to spread rumors, but the rumor
(00:42):
is they both have plumbing problems.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
I heard that.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yes, yes, it's kind of different, but the same. Yeah,
still the same. So we hope they both get those
issues resolved.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That that happens. Yeah, that with the pipes and stuff.
Yeah sometimes when they yeah, pipes freeze, pipes break right, Yep,
thats don't work. Yeah, all that, Ed, EDG I tell you,
I don't know about you. I'm worn out this week.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
I'm just doing a rough one, worn out mentally and
physically I'm with you. Yep, I hear you, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
We got to sleep theday and it felt pretty good,
good all week long. At five in the morning just
comes too damn right.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Yep, I hear you.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
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if you don't know what the Reload is is, it's
a publication that I think is done daily and it
keeps everyone updated on a lot of these court cases
that are going through course that affect our rights to
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And to have Steven on with us is just gonna
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things that happened. And it was a big week this
week regarding the Supreme Court and some of them tipping
their hat a little bit on some things that are
coming down the pike.
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And John comes up with a lot of news.
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Here joining me today in the studios. It is just
Ed and I Ed. You know what's kind of nice.
I'm glad it's kind of you and I here's just
a couple couple.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Well, I think I can get a little bit of
word than.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Edge you can. Yeah, really, I mean what I'm gonna do. Definitely,
definitely a tough week this week in Morrow County. We
were both there, saw you there as fortunate to be
a part of the contingent from the Perry down here.
We had three of our honor Guard up there, so
including your son, I mean always Eddie. I I know
(07:00):
we joke about him and stuff, but man, what a
good kid. I say kid, but I mean just for
him to be a part of our honor Guard and
to go up there and represent part of the communities
down here, and to see you up there, it was you.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Know, it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
It was it is. It's always moving on those you
hate to go to them, but it is such an
outpouring of support from the community and from the law
enforcement community. It's overwhelming to see the brotherhood and sisterhood
in that profession.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
And it's unfortunate that's when we see the most of it.
But I mean we know it's there. We know ourselves
from working in this line of work. We know they're there.
But when you see it all come together like that,
and it's not just you know, central Ohio. It wasn't
just you know, the northern counties. It was the nationwide.
(07:50):
I mean we had departments there from Dallas, Texas, Chicago,
New York. I'm almost sure there was also from San Antonio, Texas.
It was it was a nice a nice turnout and
it was a great thing to see the Brotherhood there
to show their support. It's a sad time to have
(08:12):
to see that again. Like I said, you and I
know it's there, but when the public sees it, they're
in awe. Yeah. And the the the people that helped
out with everything that took place, I want you know,
I got I got some people I want to thank,
but I don't want to interrupt. Good name here are we? Okay? Yeah?
(08:32):
CPD Motor Unit, those guys and OSP phenomenal and and
getting the traffic set up and getting us through the
traffic the procession can't say enough for them. Isaac is
a great leader of that group and couldn't ask for
(08:53):
anything more. And I know that the brass at my
department were very appreciative to have them there and their help,
and it's it's a sad time, but to see that
support made everybody feel a lot safer and a lot
better about what we do. Let alone, the other departments Perry, Perry, Columbus, Worthington, Arlington.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
All of them we had. We had I don't know
if you knew this, we had we all met at
the FOP lodge down here locally and one up in
that caravan just under sixty cruisers in our care. And
that wasn't I mean that like CPD had already been
up there and everything else. That was just that was
just the contingent that we went up with.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
And the support outpouring support from the community locally in
Morrow County. Thank you to all those folks. Thank you
to everybody for your support. We we really appreciate it.
Dave Yost, the Governor, was there. I mean, it was
just it was a great time to be involved in
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law enforcement, but a sad situation and the same fact and.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
It was you know, as they went through the eulogy.
I was amazed to see and you might you probably
knew this beforehand. The deputy shere. I mean, you remember
when you were a kid in third grade and they
have you write down a piece of paper, what are
you going to be when you grow up? They had
it must have been from his parents on a note
like you would see on the side wall of the
hallways of your elementary school. His little thing that he
(10:20):
had put up in sixth grade. I think, wasn't there
something like that that says, I want to be a
policeman and protect people in our community, something to that effect.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
I have to put my life on the line for you.
Speaker 1 (10:32):
You talk about someone who it's uh instilled upon him.
I mean, jeez. So yeah, well, you know, as they
always do, you got to go on. I mean, you
gotta go on. You get back out there and there
you go. Speaking of you back on the horse ad too.
One of the things that people often ask us is,
you know, police need more training. And I don't think
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you'll ever get to a point where you say we've
had enough training. I think it's always a good thing
and whatever you do. But this week I had the
upper tunity of doing some of that continuing education training
that people don't see. And we're fortunate to have someone
locally that goes all to Ohio now, former Commander Bob Meeter,
who's been on the show. We went through his training
this week. And for those who don't know the law
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enforcement profession, it's not just about going out there and
you know, how do you put handcuffs on a bad guy?
There is so much more on the backside of that
about the laws and Bob, I mean he takes you know,
there's a couple thousand court cases a year. He said
that can affect how you do your job. And we're
not just we're not talking little things. It affects how
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you approach a car, how you handle that approach. I
mean the marijuana thing in the last couple of years,
I mean that's a huge thing. Marijuana might be legal
in Ohio, but it's illegal to smoke it in a car.
So if you're smoking it in a car, and as
an officer, you can articulate that you have the odor
of a burnt marijuana, you have a right to go
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into that car to further investiga. I mean, there's so
much that that the general public doesn't see, and they
stand up there, especially the protests. You need more training.
And I'll never say we're at the point of not
needing training.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
They'll be at the point of not.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
You shouldn't be. You shouldn't never be satisfied. You should
always be. But the class that he puts on and
the things that that he helps us with, it's it's enormous.
And the you know, to get your hands around.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
That, it's it's more than just wearing the badge and
the gun, absolutely so much more. And the public, the
general public doesn't see it. They don't know it, and
when they think we're in the wrong, they are very
voistous about it. But when it's shown to them, they understand.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
And it's it's ingrained in us, not just in the academy,
but in these continuing educations. The utmost importance is protecting
the civil rights of people, I mean protecting their fourth amendmory.
I mean everything we do is center around that. Hey,
is that what you did? Is that is that you know?
Are you violating seven civil rights? It is a topic
of conversation almost daily. I mean it it's that important,
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and that is not we don't do a good enough
job in the profession letting the general public know that
that is continually going on in the back end of it.
So and that's also a compliment to Dave Yost as well,
who helps set those standards for mandating the training. So
that's all stuff that you know that the most people
don't see every day. Guys, if you missed the show,
(13:24):
you can always catch the podcast I set six to
ten WTV in dot com. We're on iHeartRadio of course,
out there on YouTube and on Facebook. You might notice
on our Facebook feeds we're starting to do a little
bit more out there, starting to put out some sales
our Instagram, we're starting to get re acclimated with that.
You'll start to see some more posting. A post I
put out there for us when we were going up,
(13:46):
I don't if you solid do our professional up to
the funeral this week it had over forty thousand views ed.
I mean, that's that's that's it gives you a glimmer
of hope, you know.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
And again, thank you to Franklin County for helping to
put that together. Their honor Guard is the best.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Yeah, unbelievable, the best of the best.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
And Chief Gilbert, you're being right there in the mix
of it all.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yep, absolutely, guys.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Let's jump to a break. When we come back on
the other side, we're going to get to a couple
of pieces of news and hopefully a gun of the week.
We're on talking about broacasting live from the studios of
LAPD Farms and Range. We'll be back right after the break.
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Speaker 2 (14:56):
Back, thank you, Hello, I can't hear myself. Hello, it's
gonna ride like the wind. Baby.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Yeah, you know? Why tell me what you know? I
always got a significance to the songs, right, yes, you do. Today,
my nephew Okay is running in the statement down at
o Issue here running in the mile in another race
and has a chance to win it. Good for him.
I hope he does. I hope so too. So this
is up for Matthew out there that.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
This song brings back memories from you when you were
running forty years ago. I was, Look, we're working on
a singing career.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And this was somebody else's singing career on my singing.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Career, and this was a song that I was given to.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
And just now you tell us this.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Well, I except forty years ago.
Speaker 1 (15:49):
Oh we're going to circle back around to this, Edward,
this ain't good. We ain't dropping this. Hold on write there. Yeah,
welcome back to on Target. I'm here's Eric joined today
in the LYPD studios. Big Ed and I kind of
going through some things we haven't been able to touch upon. Hey,
this we didn't get a touch upon it last week.
Super sad news. Last week Bernie Carrot died.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I saw that.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Yeah, a friend of the shows had been at the
store several times.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Yeah, we met him several times.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Yeah, we often texted with him with him, if I'm
not mistaken, Yeah, I think we did. Yeah, it's just
he's one of those guys, one of those old school
police guys. Was, of course the commissioner and at NYPD
during nine to eleven, one of those no nonsense, enforcing
the law type of guys, so sad to see him go. Yeah,
I think his son is still in Yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
They were forced to be reckoned with back.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Absolutely. Yeah, we could use that again. Guys. Yesterday to
eighty first anniversary of D Day eighty first, and you know,
I think as generations go on, we start to lose
sight of the sacrifice those men and women. Did you know?
I was looking up some of the stats stint ten
thousand servicemen lost that day. Ten thousand Can you imagine that?
(17:04):
And what's even more shocking, there was something called the
Tiger Exercise or Exercise Tiger that occurred prior to that.
It was a I think a practice for D Day.
They lost almost eight hundred men and women during the practice.
Now I think there was something with the Germans might
have infiltrated into that, but still eight hundred during the
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practice of it. You're trying to get ready for this
massive invasion and you lose eight hundred people. I mean,
the sacrifices for them were eternally grateful to that. So
what else? Oh, last week, guys, we talked about Kim J. Brown,
who let the idiot thug out on, who was convicted
(17:50):
of one conviction. I mean it had been charged with
a bunch of F one charges and let him out
on probation. If you didn't hear that monologue, that's worth
going back listening to. I was at the jail last
night and I was talking to a friend I wasn't visiting,
and that's a whole other story. I won't have enough time.
But she reminded me of a text exchange that her
(18:12):
and I had had last year concerning the same judge.
Listen to this ed and I totally forgot about this,
But this judge needs to be held accountable. Last year,
how about this bard something? And this is certainly getting
passed on to to Brian and those folks. Last year
there was an individual a bell Vella Cruz. Okay, illegal,
(18:35):
he's illegal here, there's no there's no disputing that he's
in our country illegally. He was charged get this with
an F one I remember, felony of the first degree.
It doesn't get There's there's nothing great hire that higher
than what this is serious stuff. He was charged with
a felony of the first degree for kidnapping, a felony
(18:57):
of the first degree for rape, and F one for
a burglary and an f one for kidnapping, okay, and
the friend of mine. It was her patient that this
guy terrorized, and so it happened. Guys, it happened. Stole
her money, stole her car, physically assaulted her, sexually assaulted her.
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A bad guy who ended up in Kim J. Brown's courtroom.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
I'm sure she put the hammer down on him.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
And it is this is this in and of itself
is almost criminal. He walked out of there pleading guilty
to an m one a misdemeanor of the first degree
assault and was given probation.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
I'm speechless, Eric, I mean, I how many?
Speaker 1 (19:49):
I mean I alluded to it last week. How many
of these future killers has she let out? I mean,
we're just we stumbled, We stumbled upon a couple of
these things. If this was her normal course of business,
how many of these are walking amongst us?
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I think she got her law degree out of a
crackerjack box? Does she have one out of a crackerjack box?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's incredible, It's really sickening. We need somebody, and I
wish I had the time to do it, to go
and pull off her cases and pull what the charges were,
what the sentencing ended up as, and hold her accountable.
That that is incredible, that is.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
And I'm sure, I'm sure that that case you're talking
about was probably pledged down and it didn't go to trial.
Oh probably Therefore, ye, she could reduce what she did,
thinking it will make him better, We'll save it.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
And I always try to you know, I don't know
the specifics of the case. I don't know. Maybe you
know the maybe who knows everything that went into it.
But man, when you start to see these time and
time and time and time again, you start to see
a pattern, and there's one common denominator and it's Kim J. Brown,
then you start you start to have to questioning.
Speaker 2 (21:01):
That all is this? Do you see We've told you
about how Franklin County is, the court systems are, and
what they're not doing by prosecuting and giving these breaks.
Watch what happens up in Borrow County. It is going
to be night and day difference when you see what
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happens there. The prosecutor up there is hell bent on
making sure that the subject that killed a deputy share
get the death penalty as well as all the other
charges that come along with the assault on his brother
in law, the assault on his spouse on top of
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or including the killing of Deputy Share. The man will
not walk out of that jail.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
I promise you that is that because the laws are
different Tomorrow County.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Is that what they do? They have different laws up there? Ed, No,
we have no different laws. It's the same laws. He's
going to apply those laws. There will not be any
deal making. There will not be any please prior to
the trial. It will go to trial and he will
be found guilty and hopefully we'll get the death penalty
and and then not he will have life in prison
(22:19):
and never see daylight again. But if we get, if
he gets, if the prosecutor gets what's well deserved, it
will be the death penalty. And you'll see a big difference.
You won't see where he has these f ones, and
he's got several of them.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
You won't see him plugged down to a misdemeanor. Right head,
Let's go to the bottom of the avenues. When we
come back on the other side, we're super excited to
have the founder of the Reload with us, mister Stephen Katowski,
and he's going to be joining us getting us up
to speed on some things that are going on out there.
With the Supreme Court going to be like having John here.
Kind now, it's never like having John there. But guys
(22:58):
are on Talko broadcasting life from the student of LPD
Farms Range. We'll be back right after the news. Welcome
back to on Target. I'm your host, Eric joined today
in the LPD studios.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
You're awfully low on volume. It was a low volume.
How's that that's better?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
All right?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Can you hear me?
Speaker 1 (23:18):
I can hear you. Welcome back to on Target. I'm
your histeric joint today with Big Ed in the LPD studios.
We're live at nine to nine nine Bethel Road. Guys.
Every week on this show, we look forward to j
C giving us highlights on not just the firearms industry,
but more importantly on our right to keep him bear arms.
You may have heard him, you may have heard us joking.
(23:39):
But John spends a lot of time researching. There's so
much news out there when you look at the industry,
when you look at the courts, and he you know,
pairs it all down just to the short segments that
we have. But if you've listened to John in the Bass,
one major source for a lot of his stories is
something called the Reload. You've heard that, right, We've heard
him reference that. If you've not checked it out for yourself,
(24:02):
don't know what you're waiting for, because it is certainly
something worthwhile going out there and checking out, called the Reload. Well,
today we are so fortunate to have the founder of
the Reload with us here on the show. Ed mister
Steven Kotowski. How are you doing, sir, Hi, I'm doing well.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
I am so thankful for having you. I mean, saturdays
are always tough, and I always feel bad having guests
on because the weekends are so precious to a lot
of people. But thank you so much for jumping on
with us today and here in a little bit talking
about some of the important things for the Second Amendment.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
Absolutely no problem looking forward to it.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Did you so tell us a little bit about yourself?
I think the Reload's been around since about what twenty
twenty one, but you've been writing about the gun industry
and the laws and so forth for a long time now.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
Yeah, absolutely, really, since I got in this business of
journalism back gosh, after college two thousand and nine or so.
And you know, honestly, I didn't start off specializing in firearms, right,
it was something where I was writing about you know,
policy and politics. I was working actually at the Media
(25:14):
Research Center at the time, which is a media watchdog group.
And then I got interested in firearms, you know, personally
as a you know hobby and as for self defense.
And as I got more and more interested in owning
guns and shooting and all that, it became naturally more
and more part of my writing. And so I ended
(25:36):
up at the Washington Freebeacon, which is a great publication
based in DC. And they you know, they want their
writers to have a beat, and that sort of was
a natural fit for me. And and yeah, I've been
I've been doing that ever since I started, as you mentioned,
the Reload back in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And it's an.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Independent publication funded by you know, memberships from readers and
and you know, dedicated to sober, serious reporting and analysis.
That's you know, that's been the journey for me.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Wow, that that's great. And you know, and you probably
sold yourself short a little bit, but you've been all
over I mean on CNN, Fox News, I mean you've
become kind of an expert in this field. And now
I mean on Target radio show, I don't know if
it gets much better.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
Than this, but absolutely have.
Speaker 1 (26:28):
And you've been on the cover of Time, Is that correct?
Speaker 3 (26:32):
That that is right? They did the Guns in America
addition a couple of years back, and I was the
one reporter on the cover with the Yeah, that was
both by myself. There are a lot of other people
there too, but it was a really fascinating, great experience.
And and yeah, I've been on all the cable news
channels that have been quoted in all the major newspapers,
(26:52):
The Times, the Posts. A CNN contributor right now, so
they you know, I'm under contract with them. I'm also
a contributor at We the Free, which is a new
stream service that's focused on gun content. Contribute at the Dispatch.
I have like four jobs now, wow, which is a lot,
I guess, but it works out well.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
And really we joke about it and stuff. But I mean,
you are so needed in this. I mean for a
lot of people who are firearm enthusiasts, but you know,
they go on with their daily lives and their daily
jobs and don't have the time to be as in
depth with this. Publications such as The Reload gives us
that opportunity to check in and see what's going to
(27:36):
affect us, and it does. I mean, some of these
things we can't just brush them aside because it can
literally affect our right to keeping bare arms, our right
to carry and when we can use that right. So
the job you're doing is extremely needed. Do you see
I mean, and this is probably a rhetorical question, but
(27:57):
do you see a time where where the real life
roads not needed, where the courts have sorted this out,
there's no ar bands, there's no magazine bands, and we
go about our business.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Well, we may get to those, uh, the outcome where
there's no ar or magazine bands, actually relatively soon that
I think that's one of the things we're going to
talk about. But you know, I don't know that we're
ever going to get to a point where this isn't
a contentious issue. You know, there's a lot of division
over this over gun policy in America, and you know,
even if the Supreme Court settles some of these questions,
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I think they'll always be new ones because people are
always going to have different views on what should and
shouldn't be allowed, what's what's protected by the Second Amendment,
what's not so you know, I don't. I don't think
there will be a time where there won't be a
need for serious, you know, reporting on this. And that's
that's really what I see the reload as it's building
a niche that you know, is kind of left wide
(28:54):
open by major media often doesn't have a good understanding
of firearms or of of gun owners right, gun culture,
and so there's there's big blind spots there. They may
know a lot about how you know, Congress works or
Capitol Hill works, but they don't have a good understanding
of firearms. And then the other on the other end,
(29:14):
you have a lot of gun publications that have a
really good understanding of how firearms work, of gun culture.
You know, they could tell you the muzzle velocity, uh,
you know of five, five, six, But but they don't
have a strong understanding of how the political system works
as well, especially BC itself, which is a whole, you know,
(29:36):
separate animal. And that's where I think I've tried to
position the reader to be a publication that understands both
guns and politics and policy of them, and that is
also focused on hard news reporting instead of opinion, because
there's a lot of it. There's a lot of opinion.
A lot of it's good. There's a lot of good
(29:57):
opinion out there in the gun space, but there's as
much serious reporting in that. So that that's what I
that's what I try to, you know, focus our work on.
And I think it will always be need Maybe not
honest me, because you know, at some point I'll retire, hopefully,
but you know, I think it'll it'll always be something
(30:17):
that's needed generally in the community.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
And I think the one thing about the reload, for
at least for me, is you can be a knowledgeable reporter,
but it's also how you format it and bring that
news to the consumer. And I think just either the
format or your your style of writing, whatever it is.
Every time I see the emails come through, they're catchy.
(30:41):
I mean, I mean, I want to read more about it.
And so however you do it, and however your your
staff writers do it, it's it's very appealing and it
gets the point across. It answers the questions that I
once answered, and so I really I think great great publication.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
I appreciate that you know, it's got to be accurate,
but also you want people to be able to be
interested in reading it. Right, that, So we try to
make sure we stay on both sides of that line.
We don't want to write clickbait or you know, sensationalize things,
but we do want to make sure that we're we're
covering the things that people are going to be interested in.
It's going to have like a national purview to it,
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and we're doing it in a way that is both
interesting and understandable. Because you know, you read a Supreme
Court ruling, the average person or even myself or you know,
lots of lots of reporters, people who do for leny,
it can be hard to digest that and to understand
the legal leaves unless you're unless you're doing it all
the time and you're keeping in mind, you know, how
this what they're really saying here, right, Plus there's all
(31:43):
kinds of other stuff. There's all kinds of other stuff
beyond what they actually write too. They have to take
into consideration, right.
Speaker 1 (31:49):
And I know one of the stories we're going to
talk about here shortly, one of the Supreme Court some
of the summariserves something that they just recently put out.
It was like forty eight pages and you're, you know,
you guys consolidated it down to an article that was
easy to read. You understood it, and I mean it
would have you know, taken a long time for me
to get through all that, but I appreciate it. So
let's jump to a break. When we come back on
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the other side, let's talk about some of the news
of the day. Huge week for the Supreme Court, not
just on what they ruled, but also on what they
kind of tipped their hat on what they may be
ruling on shortly, So let's jump to a break. When
we get to the other side, will continue our conversation
with the founder of the reload. We're on talking proactesting
live from the studios of l EPD Firearms Arrange. We'll
be back right up to the break. You know, Ella's good.
(32:36):
You shouldn't talk negative about her. I didn't say anything
bad about Ella. I mean she's she's good. I mean,
she's always pertinent. I choose the first song, she's choosing
the second song. She's always spot on. So you'd be
nicer too.
Speaker 2 (32:46):
Taking a picture of me saying bad things about her.
I love Ella. I think she's great.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
We all love Ela all right, unless she show up
around the store occasionally. But guys, welcome back to on Target.
I'm your host, Eric joined today in the LPDE studios.
I got big Ed sitting to my right. Jac will
be back next week and I have well hopefully yeah,
I have the founder of the Reload, the online publication
that talks about everything about your right to keeping bear arms,
(33:13):
Stephen Katowski, with us. I'm so happy you're here. Let's
talk a little bit Stephen about some of the things
that happened this week in the Supreme Court.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
The first one is the ruling in favor of the
US versus Mexico. Tell us what happened there?
Speaker 3 (33:33):
Yeah, So this was the suit where Mexico was attempting
to hold Smith and Wesson and other American gun makers
liable for ten billion dollars in damages based on the
idea that they ought to be responsible for cartel violence
that occurs in Mexico with American made firearms. And this
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may surprise some people, this was actually a unanimous decision
tossing out this lawsuit, with Justice Olena Kagan writing for
the court, one of the liberal justices, the Democratic appointee,
and you know, they all nine justices agreed that this
case was not viable, that essentially Mexico. There's a federal
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law right that it's called the Protection of Lawful Commerce
in Arms Act. The pass back in two thousand and five,
and it's designed for event lawsuits against gun companies under
the idea that they should be liable for the criminal
acts of third parties. Now, there's some exceptions to this
law that basically revolve around whether you know, if the
gun company was involved in a crime, like they were
(34:43):
involved some way in the crime, then you can sue
them for liability for the use of their firearms and
the crime. And Mexico claimed they tried to claim at
least that the American gun companies like Smith and Wesson
were aiding in a betting the cartel members through the
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more or less the fact that was foreseeable that some
of their guns, especially in particular Mexico zeroed in on
what they called military style guns, but include like AR fifteen,
some MEDICAAR fifteens, and also guns with Spanish names or
with historical like Mexican icons on them. Yeah, they claim
(35:27):
these guns are particularly attractive to cartel members and that
essentially the gun companies shouldn't sell them. And also they
claim that you know, because the gun companies don't try
to force dealers to abide by stricter sales policies than
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what American law requires that they should be, that they're
partially liable for the trafficking of fires, the illegal trafficking. So,
you know, especially the court said unanimously, this doesn't hold up.
There aren't any really extra anatomy specific claims of any
actual criminal acts on the part of the gun companies
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or really anyone and have specific claims about anyone at all.
So it's hard to even establish that, you know, who
are they aiding a betting if you're not there's no
specific crime that you're pointing to here. There's more. They're
just sort of talking about the general blow of the
legal guns to Mexico. So, you know, the outcome is
very good for the gun industry. I think it's a
(36:31):
big blow to gun control activists who have tried to
keep these types of lawsuits alive since the PLCAA was
passed back in two thousand and five. You have, they
had seen some success with like the the Remington settlement
with the Sandy Hook families that was never never got
to the merits trial, but they did settle for a
(36:54):
big amount. And so since then, you've seen a lot
of gun control activists, including the lawyers who are involved
in this case used to work for I believe it
was Brady, one of the major dunk control groups, and
so you know, you've seen them try to do these cases.
And this is actually the first time that the court
has ruled on this federal law and the protections and
how far they extend the protection Lawful Commerce and Arms Act,
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and so it's definitely a major victory, I think for
the gun industry.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Yeah, it seems so obvious to us, but it's nice
that the Supreme Court now has come out and ruled
on that. Speaking of seeming obvious, there's been a case
regarding the banning of ars and the banning of high
capacity magazines as they define it, and the Court seems
to be kicking this down the road. Continually, talk for
(37:43):
a second about what that means when they continue every
week to kick it down the road, but more importantly,
talk about this week and the little tip of the
hat that many picked up on in regarding these cases.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, so there were two cases dealing with the laws
that that you mentioned there. There was a one out
of Rhode Island with their it's actually confiscational. You can't
possess the magazines that hold more than ten rounds after
a certain date, and so they wanted to preliminary injunction
to block that. The court denied that. After yeah, fifteen weeks,
(38:17):
they relisted the case of teen Times, whicheems like they
accepted for consideration, and then they go to what's called
a conference, and no one knows what happens. They don't
tell you during those conferences until you get an order
list and they tell you whether they accepted a case
or they rejected a case, or or you know, what
have you, whatever they do with the case, or sometimes
they relist it so it means they get hurt again.
(38:39):
They did that fifteen times with this magazine band case,
and on Monday they finally made a decision, and the
decision was to deny the case. That they're not intervening,
at least not at this stage. The Court has been
really hesitant to intervene in any Second Amendment cases before
the final merits hearings are done by all the lower courts,
(39:03):
so they've been really wanting to wait until the case
is fully through the lower courts before they'll do anything
on a second mic case. I mean they do that
on most cases, but not all cases. Anyway, said they
rejected that one. There were three descents. Gorthitch, Thomas, and
Alito would have taken the case up, but the rest
of the court wouldn't have. And then more importantly, there
(39:27):
was a case called snow f Brown, which is about
Maryland's assault weapons dandcase or you so called assault weapons
you know AR fifteen's, AK forty sevens, other semi automatic
firearms like that. And this dealt with a case that
was already through all the steps, already done the merits,
but this is the last stop as a Supreme Court.
And they also relisted that one fifteen times before finally
(39:51):
saying we're not going to take up the case, which
is a loss for the gun rights advocates in this situation.
They wanted them to take up the case. They thought
this was they finally got one fully to the merits,
ready for action from the Supreme Court. In the Supreme Court,
as you mentioned, kick the can down the road. What
we did get though, as you're alluded to, is a
(40:12):
statement from Brett Kavanaugh. Justice Brett Kavanaugh, one of the
conservatives Trump appointee from the first term. He put a statement.
He was one of the ones who didn't vote to
take up the case, but his statement essentially said that
he believes the lower court that upheld this ar band
was wrong and that AR fifteens are in common use,
(40:35):
which is an important threshold for protection under the Second Amendment,
based on what the Court is said in the past
and their previous rulings on this stuff, and so you know,
it gives you a pretty good insight into that he
is likely to vote to strike down Solivon's bands and
when they do take a case. And he also said essentially, well,
(41:00):
don't take this as the Court saying we agree with
the lower court upholding this law. There's more of these
cases coming. There's several more going working through the lower
courts on the same issue. He said, that will give
time for percolation they call it. Basically, it'll let the
lower courts issue their opinions so that court can have,
you know, other different viewpoints to look at before it decides.
(41:23):
And then he he said that they were He said
not just that they should take up one of these
cases in the next term or two, but that they
will take up one of these cases in the next
term or two. And to me that says he's fairly
confident in his position.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
And.
Speaker 3 (41:42):
You know, seems likely that the court will, once they
actually take up this case, strike down than a Sulivan's
ban as unconstitutional on as secondment.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
That would be all. I mean, that would be wonderful.
I mean, that would be once and for all kind
of putting it to rest.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
You know, if they would take and spend the amount
of money and time on prosecuting the people who aren't
supposed to have guns and keeping them out of the
hands of the bad people, would we would have so
much less problems in the world than having to sit
and go into this court cases fifteen twenty thirty times. Yeah,
(42:22):
to stop the American people who are law abiding gun
people from having them.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
Exactly. You're exactly right, exactly, Stephen. We're close on time.
But one thing I wanted to get out there too
that I thought was really important. This week. This city
group who has been basically anti gun, anti gun industry,
came out this week and reversed their decision that's been
going on for a while, and now they want to
welcome the gun industry back. Is that true?
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Yeah, after Parkland, City Group and a number of other
major banks at institute of these gun policies or they
wouldn't work with certain businesses unless they In City Group's case,
they said, you know, if you're selling any guns to
anyone under twenty one, or if you're selling what they
called high capacity magazines. That they didn't define what that meant,
but I think we all get the idea. It's usually
(43:12):
ten rounds or more, although the standard changes state to
state on that one. But you know, essentially every gun store,
right it would be impacted by this, you know, because
most guns stores sell at least long guns to under
twenty one because it's legal to do so. And so yeah,
they kept that in place from twenty eighteen until just now,
(43:33):
and now they're reversing course. You know, there was a
lot of backlash from conservatives but also Republican lawmakers and
now the president. So they've they've chosen to undo that policy.
Whether at gun companies are going to want to work
with that is another question, but were right.
Speaker 1 (43:51):
I don't see us getting involved in that anytime soon.
Stud Unfortunately that we are out of time. I so
appreciate you calling in, and you've got to come back sometimes.
Certainly reach out to us anytime there's sure big breaking news.
We'll have you jump on. But tell us real quick,
how do we get to the reload?
Speaker 3 (44:09):
Yeah, just thereload dot com. You can head over sign
up for our free weekly newsletter. All the major reporting
is in front of the paywall when we have analysis
pieces for our members, because that's how we keep our
publication running.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Wonderful. Thank you so much, Steven Gatowski. Thank you for
all you do, not just today, but everything you do
in supporting the Second Amendment. We'll certainly stay in touch. Guys.
We didn't get to the guns of the week, but
let me just tell you there was some neat trade
ins here that you might want to see. If ED
doesn't buy him all, No, we have enough ED. You
can buy yours, and we still have enough for our customers. Guys,
(44:44):
Thanks for spending the time with us. Thank you for
all the support this week in the law enforcement community.
We will see you next week.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
And as always, hey, can I say it, yeah, let's
be careful out there.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
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