The Acquittal of Officer Connor Grubb

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Last year, I wrote the following opening after it was
announced that Blenda Township officer Grub was going to be
charged with murder. Should officers be accountable for their actions, absolutely,
Should they be held to a higher standard, without question.
But I'm here to say that the overwhelming majority of
people in our society know very little of anything about
what it means to be an officer. After the riots

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of twenty twenty, you may think that they need more training,
and like in any profession, most will tell you that
we cannot have enough. But do you know what training
an officer gets every year, what is mandated in order
to keep a commission as an officer? Most do not,
And frankly, that's okay, But it's getting a little old

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hearing people speak as if training officers is some new
idea just being tossed around for the first time. Not
many know what comes before every arrest, every interaction, every
life and death decision that is done in nearly a
split second, a decision that will be debated, second guest
and criticized with the benefit of knowing all the facts,

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not just the facts the officer knew at the time.
So this is what I said last year. Do you
have rules where you work. You know guidelines on how
you do your job and boundaries you must stay between
while doing that job. Now, most of these rules, I
would assume are more or less company policy policies that,

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under the right circumstances, have expectations and exceptions to the
rule that you may or may not have the ability
to deviate from if it benefits the company. And for
the most part, these rules stay the same, or if
they change, you may get an email to introduce the
new guideline. In law enforcement, we have rules and guidelines

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we must follow as well, and many of the day
to day mundane tasks are covered by departmental directives or
what is known as standard operating procedures. These are relatively straightforward,
unlike in any business, serve as a guideline on how
to handle many situations. There is, though, one other part
that is rarely talked about in the naive media, and

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that is this standard which all law enforcement officers must
follow to protect the rights of the citizens of this
country as laid out under the Constitution. Police officers arguably
have the most difficult job in the world, not because
they face obvious dangers around any corner, but because they
have to navigate those dangers while protecting the rights of

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the crook, the criminal, the bad guy, the murderer. Now
you may be thinking, that can't be that bad right.
Take the First Amendment, the right of free speech, the
right to express ourselves. But wait, what happens when that
citizen has the phone out recording a lawful rest on
the side of the road, taunting the officers to make

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a mistake. Is that protected speech? It is, But would
you be okay with them recording a lifeless body at
a murder scene to post on social media? It can
get complicated real quick, and officers have to navigate those
waters while oftentimes handling a crime scene or accident. The
Second Amendment protects our rights to keep them bare arms.

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It's our right. But under constitutional carry in Ohio, do
you have the right to carry in a school zone? Well? No, unless,
of course, you have an Ohio concealed handgun license. Did
you know that? But wait, rifles are excluded from these rules.
Don't get confused. Did you know a resident of another
state can come here and carry concealed without a license.

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But that's not necessarily the case. If you're exercising your
second Amendment rights in another state. And get this. Get this, guys.
If you're an officer and you see a juvenile, let's say,
sixteen years old, walking down the street open carrying a pistol,
has a crime been committed? Prize? Most of the time

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it is perfectly legal, and you may have just vitalated
their rights. If you did not know the nuances of
the law. You start to see why it is extremely
difficult for an officer on the street to keep up
with every new law that is binding. Second Amendment laws
in Ohio alone have changed remarkably in the last five years,

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and an officer has to know the changing landscape to
uphold our oath of protecting the constitutional rights of all.
And those are just the laws passed by legislators. Case
laws have to also be abided by. Case laws come
from some prior case that has had a precedence set

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for a topic. Case laws govern how we arrest someone,
when we can detain someone. It governs prior cases. It
sets forth the parameters for entering into a home without
a warrant, for dealing with the car you stop. This
smells like marijuana. All governed by case law. But you

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might say that car that smells like marijuana, Well, hey,
that's legal now, right, Yeah, But you can't be under
the influence of marijuana while driving. But you may be
able to search the car if it smells like burnt marijuana,
But if it smells like fresh bud, that's a no go.
Can you distinguish the difference between fresh or burnt marijuana?

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That small detail can determine if you can constitutionally search
the car and if you've k not been trained on
detecting the difference between fresh and burnt marijuana. When you
get on the stand and the defense asks officer, have
you been trained, you better be able to articulate when
and how you were trained. Saying you receive your training

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from being at a couple Bob Dylan concerts is not
gonna fly, guys. It gets really complicated sometimes on keeping
case law straight. Being in law enforcement and protecting the
rights of citizens is done so not by some loosely
written or haphazard procedure. Officers are bound by law. Ever,

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changing laws and court cases twenty three hundred decisions last
year alone in Ohio district courts that can impact how
we conduct ourselves while protecting society. Twenty three hundred cases
last year alone. We go through constant training to ensure
we protect the rights of fellows citizens. The reason I

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spent this time laying this groundwork is to show how
easy it is for officers to react in good faith
but end up in State v. Delbert next year. Now,
when these cases make it all the way to the
Supreme Court of the United States, these cases garner a
lot of attention and are binding to everyone in the country.

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Some of the most famous ones that are in great
Officers from their first day in the academy through their
thirtieth year in the profession are ones such as Terry v.
Ohio in nineteen sixty eight that gave guidance to officers
being able to briefly detain someone if they have reasonable
suspicion that a crime has been committed, or the nineteen
eighty five case of Garner Tennessee versus Garner, which stated

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that the Fourth Amendment prohibiting unreasonable search and seizure, officers
can no longer now use deadly force in attempting to
stop a fleeing felon unless that person is believed to
pose a threat of serious physical harm to others. A
split second decision officers must calculate, could you differentiate the

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correct response if chasing a juvenile running from a stolen
vehicle with a gun in his waist van versus a
juvenile running from a stolen vehicle with a gun in
hand firing at passing motorists versus a juvenile running from
a stolen vehicle with the gun in his hand down
on this side? Could you make that shoot don't shoot
decision in three seconds or less. Keep in mind a

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decision with outcomes that are life changing that will be
judged from the comfort of an office or courtroom. These
decisions are relatively easy versus the hundreds of case laws
that must be followed in order to ensure the rapist
or the child molester you just arrested are kept behind
bars or they're let out because you violated their rights

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in the initial detention of them. In nineteen eighty nine,
the Supreme Court case was decided out of an incident
in North Carolina that has become the basis for how
we judge any incident in which force was used by
an officer. This isn't a suggestion. This is not something
you can pull in and out of a court case

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to help or hurt you. It is a Supreme Court
ruling that every attorney, prosecutor, judge, and law enforcement officer
is bound too bound to follow unless case law changes
it in the future. The ruling says this, an analysis

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of an excessive force claim excessive force can be aggressively
handcuffing someone to the use of deadly force, should consider
whether the search or seizure was objectively reasonable based on
how a reasonable police officer would have handled the same situation.
The reasonableness of a particular use of force must be

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judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene,
rather than with twenty twenty hindsight? Did you catch that?
Binding case? Law that governs governs our courts says that
a particular use of force must be judged from the
perspective of a reasonable officer on this scene, and not

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by twenty twenty hindsight. Those are the words from the justices.
The calculus of reasonableness must allow for the fact that
police officers are often forced to make split second judgments
in circumstances that are tents uncertain and rapidly evolving. Split

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second judgments about the amount of force that is necessary
in a particular situation. The reasonableness inquiry in an excessive
force case is an objective one. The question is whether
the officer's action are objectively reasonable in light of the
facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying

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intent or motivation. Those are the words from the court.
We are bound to follow as written in that case.
What would a reasonable officer in the same situation have
done if it had happened to them? Lifelong criminal pools
what looks to be a firearm from their waistband and

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points it at a who uses deadly force to protect themselves,
only to find out later was a water gun. The
officer can be protected under Graham v. Connor if the
objectively reasonable cause is met. The general public, the protester
on the street, the media, they don't realize that officers
do not work in a vacuum of doing whatever the

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hell we want to do. We are sworn to protect
the rights of citizens, and that means we have to
follow case laws. The reason I spent so much time
today on this is because Graham v. Connor continues to
be grossly overlooked as of late in our very own city.
It is overlooked with one intent to arrest and charge

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police officers at any chance under this administration. At the
time of this writing, the trial of Blnden Township officer
charged with murder has concluded and he wise moments ago
acquitted on all charges. If you remember twenty twenty three,
the officer had responded to back up a fellow officer

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who was confronting a thug, a career thug who was pregnant,
and who had just stolen up to eleven bottles of
alcohol from a local store, not a crime of opportunity,
but once she methodically carried out many times under her
own previously stated profession of career thief. The twenty one

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year old had methodically backed into a handicapped spot, made
sure she had no visible tags on her vehicle, and,
when confronted, defied over twelve lawful commands to exit her vehicle.
At some point during the brief interaction, she decided that
escape at all costs was her only way out, and

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she accelerated towards the officer now standing in front of
her car, an attempt to murder. At the very least,
imposed serious physical harm by hitting the officer with her
view vehicle hitting him enough where his feet were off
the ground. The video clearly shows his feet off the
ground as she hits him, his handprint denting the hood

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of the car, bruises on his shins revealed during the trial.
While certainly in fear for his life, he had to
make a split second decision to use force to stop
her actions or succumb to her unknown, her unknown intentions.
What would a reasonable officer in that same position have done?

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The jury got it right. The judge and defense attorney
was able to inform the jury that witnesses can testify
to their own perceptions, but only one standard rises above
all the clutter. But it certainly raises the question what
deception was used with the grand jury to get this

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murder indictment in Franklin County last year? Do you remember this?
I am running to put officers away with criminals they
arrest for succumbing to the temptation to shoot someone. I
am running to put officers on notice that we will
arrest them for succumbing to the temptation to shoot someone.

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That was the Franklin County Prosecutor's own words during his
campaign before he won his election for prosecutor guys, at
what point do we start holding the citizens of our
community responsible for their actions. Certainly, this was a tragedy
that was avoidable one hundred percent. It would never have
happened if the pregnant missus Young and her two accomplices

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did not steal eleven bottles of alcohol from a business.
It would never have happened. If Miss Young would have
complied with multiple lawful orders from the officers, It would
never have happened. If Miss Young did not attempt to
harm or kill Officer Grubb with a two thousand pound vehicle.

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Miss Young unfortunately is responsible for what happened that day.
Her actions put those events in motion. Period. If you
want to see this city survive, we have to stand
up and be outraised that we let elected officials with
an anti police agenda rule our courts. Heck yeah, we

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want all officers being accountable, but this should never have
risen to this level. Young did not die for stealing
bottles of liquor. She unfortunately died after force was used
against her to stop her actions that could have seriously
harm or killed a young military veteran and dedicated law
enforcement officer who chose a life of service to this

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country and community. Did that officer deserve to die because
she decided to break multiple laws that day. We need
to tell segments of our community who continually encourage their
youth to not comply with authority. We have to tell
them it has to stop this nonsense. This has to stop.

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Being a lawful, respectable contributor to society is really easy,
and we can fix these communities with one line. One
line is all it takes. If you comply, there is
a ninety nine percent chance you will not die. That's
what I would have on my protest sign, of course,
if I didn't have a job and I had time

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to protest. The overwhelming majority of deaths caused by law
enforcement after using force is due to non compliance. Look
at the stats. That's why in my neighborhood there's almost
a zero percent chance of death or serious injury at
the hands of an officer. We teach our kids to
be respectful, to be law abiding, to respect authority. We

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teach them that if you comply, you will get your
day in court. That's what a civilized society does. Welcome
to our new city of Columbus. Andrew ginther Mayer, Gary
tayak Okay now shale a favor prosecutor. We applaud the

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jury forgetting it right and not judging on emotion, but
rather on the facts that govern our men and women
in law enforcement. They rely, Oh, they only had to
rely on one question. They has had one question to
answer without any consideration for twenty twenty hindsight, what would
a reasonable officer have done in that same situation? On Target,

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we'll be back after the break.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
Good afternoon.

Speaker 1 (17:51):
Welcome on Target broadcasting live from the Student of LAPD
Firearms Range and Training Facility located at nine nine Triple nine,
Bethel Road. I'm Eric, along with my good friend sitting
beside me, JC.

Speaker 2 (18:04):
It's the old JC and me kind of shit.

Speaker 1 (18:06):
It's the old JC and me. Guys got a lot
to get to, so let's get right to it. We
are the owners of LUPD Fiarms Range and are active
in law enforcement. But for when now we're on Saturdays,
we put together a group of firearm experts to discuss
new products in the market, training tips, and oftentimes political
topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commitment that has always
been to bring you facts about our industry and help

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listeners and customers with safe, responsible ownership of firearms JC.
I am sorry I took up our first segment so important.
It's just and you know what, our prayers were answered yesterday.
And I feel for miss Young's family. I mean, twenty
one year old, pregnant, other kids. I mean, you don't

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want harm to be put on them, and they're they're
going to be forever, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
Sorry, affected at least it will be affected by six
hundred dollars worth of alcohol. I don't know what she
was doing with that, but I know, I know, but
it's just, I mean, truly is a shame. DEVI and
I has been have been praying really strong for this.
I watched a few segments of the course and the
segmentation showed we weren't certain that that was going to
be the outcome, and we were just so uh so

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worried about that. It was such good news to hear today.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
It was it's just, I mean, they got it right,
but I tell you, getting it right, but I didn't
have confidence that they would get it right. You know.
It's just you don't know how these these juries are
going to be persuaded by by some of the deception,
and that's what it was you were listening to some
of this stuff and it was pure deception that they
were pushing a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Just yeah, I guess prosecutors want to win every case,
but this one shouldn't have gone to court, right, the
grand jury showed it.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Just so, JC. We got a lot to get tons
of stuff to get to today. The first thing I
got to thank my buddy Richie. Gentlemen, I'll tell you
what he has me thinking. Now I'm hearing grumblings of
some big announcement coming out in a few weeks. We
will see if these prophecies are correct here and then
of course U always joking from black Wing, always good
to hear for his voice.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Great, great guy.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
It's great.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
It's a five star you know operation out there, literally
five star.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
So JAC tons going on in the in the world
of fire this week.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
There's there's just you know, a lot happening, the big
news and I because this could have some far reaching effects.
On Tuesday, President Donald Trump nominated Robert Cicada to run
the ATF to become the director of the ATF and
now he's currently the agency's deputy director. Trump appointed him

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that in position back in April, but now he's been
elevated as a nominee, so it still has to go
through They go through the Senate and go through the
go through the regular matriculation. But anyway, it would be
really really good. So if confirmed, he'll replace the acting director,
who is Daniel Driscoll. So people aheah, Daniel Driscoll. You
just you hadn't been here that long. Well, he's the

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Secretary of the Army.

Speaker 1 (21:01):
He's the Secretary of the US talk about.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Having a lot on his plate with everything that's going
on militarily.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Uh so uh.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
But but Driscoll himself replaced probably the shortest terms of
a director of the ATF Cash Patel, who was acting.
So he's a director of the FBI. So so Trump
gets in uh dundlebock. Uh the thirty years under Biden
of his anti gun shenanigans. When he left, which was

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in January, so ptel was everybody day until they could
get Driscoll to take over. But now they have appointed
as a nominee. This wonderful guy. Sounds like a wonderful guy, Sadeka.
So so who is he? I mean, what do we
what are we? What are we looking for? Well, now
that we can have some some relatively permanent uh direction,

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and not the musical chairs aspect. As a matter of fact,
these terms, if he gets it, there are ten year
terms not allow Yeah, so I did not know that,
but it's a ten year term being the director of
the ATF. So who is he Well, he's a career
law enforcement agent. So he's got twenty years of experience
with the ATF already and again as acting deputy director.

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As someone said, he's probably been running the agency most
of the time that the Secretary of the Army was
there going hey, you've been here twenty years. Eight has
put me in here. I can only imagine that he
had a lot of oversight in how that was happening.
So he's as an ATF, he was over the divisions
of the cities across many cities across the country, including Miami, Baltimore, Philadelphia,

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and before he joined the ATF, he worked as an
anti gang and a swat operations of the New York
City Police Department and also a Florida Police department. I
don't have that city's name, but so he's already he
has a lot of experience. So now that he's here, though,
what does this mean, because the ATF has a great

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impact on the FFL, every gun store, every gun owner.
They are enforcing gun law. So what's going to happen, Well,
it's time at the ATF. Even as deputy director, but
even before that, he's worked with industry members and several
of the industry groups have celebrated this nomination to run
the agency. Just for example, the National Shooting Sports Foundation

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just said that, you know the status statement, we're encouraged
by his nomination because they respect his experience, his wisdom,
and his confident and they have confidence in his actions.
I love this one that was from Knox Williams, who's
the executive director and president of the American Suppressor Association,
And as quote was because in his role as a
deputy director, we've worked closely with Robert Cicada to ensure

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law abiding gun owners have a seat at the table
when shamping policy, which has not happened in many years.
He confirmed that he would actually he said he will
be the first ever truly pro Second Amendment nominee to
head the agency. So that's good news. Anna, he's taking
a wait and see going. You know, we didn't endorse
or not. We're just gonna, you know, we're going to

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see what's happening. Although there is the Gun Owners of America,
which is a little feisty group, and they said, we
don't care. They just want to abolish the ATF, so
we don't care who they put in because no one
should be there. I thought that was unusual. But the
Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep in Bare Arms,
which is very active in pro Second Amendment court cases

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and hearings and support and there their assistant organization of
the Second Amendment Foundation, which is up on almost every case.
That am the most positive reaction of all the gun
rights groups, so Alan Gottlieb, who's the group's chairman, when
he said that in a statement that when mister Sadaka
was named the deputy director back in April, he received
high praises from many in the fire arms community. He

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said he brings considerable experience along with what we believe
are truly pro Second Amendment views and it's going to
be a delightful change from the previous administration.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
So good.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
And anyway, they haven't scheduled center to have the scheduled
here's a confirmation hearing, but looks like it could be
smooth sailing.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Good good, good, good information. JC. Let's jump to a break,
because on the other side, we're gonna talk Black Friday Sale.
We got so much good stuff to talk about on
Targo broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Farms Arranged.
We'll be back after the break. Welcome back on Target time.
Your host Eric joined today in the LAPD studios. It's
JC and me. I'll tell you what, Jay, that's you
know what more for us then, because there is so

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much on this table now we have. You know, we
went into this holiday season and I was talking to
Lori and my son and the guys. I'm like, guys,
I don't know what are we gonna do for Black
Friday and the holidays. We don't have any ideas Well,
let me tell you that's quickly changed because we have
a table. If you're watching on Facebook or YouTube, we

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have a table full of things that are on sale
and some of this, some of this, I have to say, JC,
I wasn't really big on it because it's going pretty
darn deep on some of this stuff. But it's it's good.

Speaker 2 (25:59):
It's good for the the amounts off. I was kind
of surprised on a lot of the absolutely fantastic firearms.
So it's amazing.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
So it's kind of a.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Two part we have. Yes, we have a Black Friday,
which occurs right after Black Friday, but you have gone
ahead and started.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
We've done this a couple of things early.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Done, a couple of things early and they are they
are great things.

Speaker 1 (26:18):
They are, And we started mentioning the one last last week,
but it's worth mentioning again, so we should start there. Glocks,
you and everyone knows the Glock Gen threes and fours
and fives. They're done, gone, gone.

Speaker 2 (26:29):
Canceled, fifty four fifty four total models.

Speaker 1 (26:32):
Yeah, and they're not to be reordered. We cannot order
these anymore. But we were lucky to have a great
relationship with one of our distributors. We secured some probably
about fifty a combination of Mos ones and no mos
and we have them here Jen fours and Gen fives.
And not only do we have them, so you can
come in right off the street today and purchase any

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of these little bit higher priced than they normally were
before all this chaos, but not bad. But here's the
real kicker. You come in and you buy a membership.
Now a membership a level two membership here, it's free
shooting during the week discounts on the weekends, is discount
on accessories, it is discount on firearms for the year.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
But you can also reserve your that So these weekends
you're tied up and you said, oh, I'd like to
go shooting, but I know, you know there's going to
be a huge line. It's the holidays, you know what.
You can reserve your time and you show up at
right before that you jump to the front of the line.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
And the membership is only three fifty a year, which
is a little bit low. But if you purchased the
memberships starting now and this goes through Black Friday, listen
to the price of some of these glocks you're getting JC.
So I mean you pick one out here. I mean,
here's a you know, let's see, that's an mos Block
forty five MOS Gen five. It's sitting on the shelf today.

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Now this one has an eotech already onto Diotech, so okay.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
The top of the line.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
It's sitting on our shelf today. It's priced at nine
to nineteen. If you came today to buy it, you
get a membership. You pay six hundred bucks for it.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
So basically three. Yeah, you're getting the membership for like
less than fifty bucks. I mean when you look at
them with the standard it's prices. Yeah, you go buy
a membership and you're getting that for six hundred six.
That is amazing.

Speaker 1 (28:17):
And you look at I mean you pick at some
of the normal you know, here is a h Glock
nineteen jac glock nineteen gen five right, okay, sitting on
our shelves for five ninety nine for four hundred bucks,
so that it's almost a little crazy, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
I mean, that's that's to be two hundred dollars off.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Of that, and you never see that.

Speaker 2 (28:39):
You never see lots and some of these are just
just absolutely outstanding. Yeah, that's like, you know, three hundred
nineteen to twenty bucks out of that one you just
mentioned before. That's that off the price with the membership
and the membership this but you have year round anyway,
I mean, this is right, you would pay without all this.
So and these are models that just aren't available anymore,
even though gonna make ten. None of there are none

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of the mos ones, right, I mean, that's gonna come
from special.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
So when you're not you look over this list you know,
a skeptic, you'd probably say, oh, it's a bunch of forties,
and it's this we're talking. These are the ones that
people want. A lot of these optic readies come with
an optic on them. It is really I'm telling you guys,
it is really a good list. There's probably I'm looking
at twenty five different ones on the list or something

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like that.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
Yeah, I mean we have everything from you know, twenty
two to three eighties, you know, nine's forties, ten milimeters. Uh,
they're just we have forty five's h all those calibers
and and these are new, not use these are brand
new that we just picked up because they're not making
these anymore ever again. So it's a real opportunity. It
is a membership which you will enjoy anyway, and uh

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and save hundreds of dollars.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
So that is I mean, certainly it's worth considering watch
applies last on these because by the time Black Friday comes,
I'm not sure it's gonna be left. I'm sure there's
gonna we have a lot, so I'm sure there's gonna
be some. But if if it's something you're considering, it's
worth acting on.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
And it's available right now.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Right now, prior pre pro Friday, that's right now.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Jac.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
You get to Black Friday, and we have done this
probably six years in a row now and it's not
politically correct JC. But the left leaning people who aren't
gun people go crazy over this. But once again Black Friday,
we're giving away guns. I mean, JAC, who tell me
who is giving away guns on Black Friday?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Free free JC. And it's not like, Okay, here's some
of these like loser things I've never owned. I mean,
these are ones I'm looking at, going I really want that. Well,
wait a minute, I really want that one. I mean
there are some of these that are super super special.
I mean I I think that anyway. For example, Ruger
has been wonderful if it came about the twenty two
that's single action, uh, the Wrangler, Uh you know that

(30:53):
that could be a free gun. But what I like
if you get here early enough, because this is our
supplies last the super Wrangler, which is combo, so you
can you get an extra cylinder so it can be
twenty two magnum or twenty two long. Yes, this is
what the membership games. You know of a membership and
these get free gun. I really this is uh North
American Arms. If you want a little pocket sized twenty two,

(31:15):
you just cannot beat these North Americans arms, which are
truly they're about the size of a of a keychain fob.
But this wasp which which is there kind of a
deluxe one that they have with the extra cylinder twenty
two magnifies it free convertible and.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
I have a like JC does, Yeah, I have, I have.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
We have one that's designated as a swimsuit carry so
uh but yeah, that's incredible. Bond arms. I mean they
make like bank vault derringers, and they're that that rough.
It's a twelve gauge or a forty five long cold
three inch twelve games you no, no, no, that would

(31:59):
be yeah, that would be the dead in rowdy. Yeah,
you couldn't be fine on that. The four ten gauge
in the forty five long cold free, I mean free.
It is wonderful. And you had one down here with
the the uh well that's the wrangler and you.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
Had the belt.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
The North American arms you have to have a twenty
two magnum with that comes with it. It's in a
belt buckle so you can wear it.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Exposed it's a classic.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
Oh, it is a classic, and you do not see those,
and that would be free with the memberships you pick
up on.

Speaker 1 (32:30):
Oh, this one JC, this Taurus. Do you see the caliber?

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, the three twenty seven one of my favorites. Oh,
it's a fabulous because with that you can shoot four
different cartridge at thirty two short, thirty two long. You
can shoot they two h and R magnum or the
three twenty seven, the federal three twenty seven magnum, which
is just it's very close to a three thirty seven

(32:54):
magnum on hard feet per second less, a little less recoil,
but a lot of pedalties.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
If you come in on fact Friday. How much is
that it's free? It's free.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Fill out the paperwork, got a pass, background check, all that,
sign up for the bombership. Yeah, serry for membership, and
walk out with a wonderful gun.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Now some people might come to the list and say, hey,
I don't need any of these things. There's also two
other items on here that said note the Surefire XR
was the XR one.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, the XR one compact. That's eight hundred lumen handgun light, which.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
That's almost a four hundred dollar light free, free, free,
and then the Buris reflex at the top, great little
reflex for your pistol.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
That is wonderful. I mean it is a wonderful, wonderful,
yeah reflex. And I'm looking at this for those that
because Anderson's no longer in business. Anderson was making the
lowers and so if you want, there's a stripped lower
that you can also pick up for if you want
to build your own ar style rifle or pistol. And
that's also free. I mean, if you buy out, you.

Speaker 1 (33:52):
Know, it's it's definitely a membership. It's it's neat. Now
on top of this, if you grab that other list
there JC, So if you say, you know, none of
these are for me, I got a lot of stuff.
This list here is if you buy the membership and
you add a little bit to it. Okay, so some
of this, I mean some of this you might just
be adding a little bit to it. Some of it's more.

(34:14):
But if you look at this, John, if you let's
just say, let's pick one out of here. Up that
is actually not that list.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Yeah, handitle wrong list there, that's a different list.

Speaker 1 (34:26):
But that's you come in and let's say you've been.
Let's there's so many as many the easy the Smith
Easy nine. Yeah, they come in. You had one hundred bucks,
you get your membership. You had a hundred bucks or
no thumb safety, no thumb safety, Okay, you had one
hundred bucks, you walk out with an Easy nine.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
That's just that's some of their membership. And and just
add a little another little not a bucks. But there's
all sorts of great things on here. I'm just looking
at this whole whole list that we have. Yeah, season, yep,
you get that in either forty five the are in
forty five long cold, or even in a model under

(35:06):
two in uh yeah, both of them in forty five.
One's a rifle, one's a car being. You have to
add to a rifle bucks and.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
You walk out two hundred and fifty bucks. John in
a lever action.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
It's it's these are really good. No King, Colt King.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Cobra, Colt King Cobra. How much is that?

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Jac, Yeah, you get the membership and you can walk
out with that for four hundred and fifty bucks.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Fifty for a Colt revolved brand new.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Steel black grips, brand new. It's just yeah, it is
amazing it's amazing, great, great, great guns.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
So in this list, JC, there's probably forty guns on
this list. Where you add a little bit, now it
gets you can add you know, the Daniel Defense. Uh,
the H nine is on here. Uh that one.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
Fifty six point.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
Fifty Wait am I reading that right?

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Six fifty The gun is a twelve hundred dollars gun.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And speaking of lover actions, Smith and Wesson came out
with that fifteen that parted me eighteen fifty four lover
action that they have in forty four magnum, and she
had need in all the rage. It's just top, top quality,
beautiful wood that comes comes with and again forty four
magnum you can hunt within Ohio. And that's just like
eight hundred dollars. And that's a gun that's going to

(36:20):
like thirteen fourteen hundred dollars. I mean that's they're really expensive.
I'm not certain on that price, but I know they're
well over over twelve thirteen hundred. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
Now, JAC, people might be asking, how do I get
this list? Super easy? On Monday or Tuesday of next
week is when we send out our Black Friday email list.
These will be included. If you're not on that list.
Go to our web page super easy guys, l EPD
dot com, l epd dot cot com. You go on there,
you click where it says sign me up for the emails.

(36:51):
We do not send out very many emails. We probably should,
but we don't. You will probably get an email from
us once every two to three months maybe, but you'll
be guaranteed to give this one. It's definitely worth signing up.
You can print it out welk in the door. If
you come here on Black Friday or really the Black
Friday weekend, you can, uh, you know, check out the

(37:12):
list as well. But it's worth it's worth taking a.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
Look everything on here. That's Springfield the hell Cat with
an optic and two extra mags.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Yeah. Did you see this hell Cats on there?

Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh yeah, I mean they're just some great, great guns
from six hours with West Rubert Kember Humber's even got
they got their make out on here in nine milimeters
the R seven. Wow, that's uh and it's just like
another two hundred bucks after you did the membership.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I know, it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (37:38):
Douse your membership. Go shooting that day with a with
a with a really good price to fun.

Speaker 1 (37:43):
It is Now in addition to all this, John, if
you said, man, is there morl, yes, there is. We're
doing what we do every year on Black Friday weekend.
Ten percent off all used guns. And you might say, oh,
what kind of you know, ratty old used guns they have?
If you're watching Facebook, guys, we have a that's a
Benelli right.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Yeah, it's a I actually did not look at that
yet because they put it.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Up here after Holy Mackerel, John, that's a Benelli M
two tactical.

Speaker 2 (38:12):
That's two with yeah, with a with a name point. Yeah,
there ten.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Percent off of that. It's just there's really, guy, there
is there were probably we're probably sitting at a couple
of hundred used guns right now. It's to take a lot.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
I got my eyes on that flat Dark Earth glock.
Now that's on the glock sales exactly. Yeah, but that
is uh that well that's what, Yes, that's on that.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
On that at name point. I believed in it.

Speaker 2 (38:42):
Yeah, but it's uh, it's one of their their special Yeah.
I think that's yeah, it's an acro. It's the Yeah,
it's the acro. Yeah is that last morn Yeah, it's
it's a Oh that's as like over a thirteen dollar
outfit there.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
But so, I mean there's so much more, guys. Let's
while we give John a second to kind of to
kind of collect his wits about them. Let's go to
a break and we come back. We got much much
more to talk about for Black Friday sales and holiday
sales on Target broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD
Farms Arrange. Will be back after the break. Okay, welcome
back on Target. I'm your host. Eric joined in the

(39:18):
live LAPD studios with jc's JC and me this week.
And you know what, I'm thankful for that, John, because
that means more of this stuff on the table for us.
So much one over Black Friday sales. If you missed
the last segment and you need to go listen to
it again because we're giving away free guns again. But
there's still so much more. JC, we talked about ten
percent off use guns. Now, JC, I didn't I don't

(39:40):
know if you knew all this, but we went through
this week and I think I think we picked out
fifty guns that are in the cases brand new that
are ten to fifteen percent off. Just ten to fifteen
percent off new guns. I mean there is some very desirable.
There's Smith and Wesson revolvers. There is a lot. I
mean when the last time did you see fifteen in
percent office Smith and Weston revolved.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
Yeah, and usually the other way it's usually a fifteen
percent increase from what I.

Speaker 1 (40:05):
Know, So there is there is a lot in the case.
Walk in, ask the guys. There's stickers on the different
tags depending on how much you get off. That's going on, Uh,
that is going on starting Black Friday as well. We
got the free guns, the glock sales, oh John, the
gift basket. So now these are wild surprise laughs. Last
I think we have fifteen or twenty of them.

Speaker 2 (40:24):
I was back there checking these out. We happen to
have one sample right here in this beautiful Smith and
Wesson carry case. You can put all your it's a
it's a it's a basket and you can.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Carry all your it's a it's a little while I
don't know what you call that. It's like a gunsmithing
plastic basket.

Speaker 2 (40:40):
You can carry airmo to the range or whatever you want.
But it's Phil and these with goodies and they Yeah,
it's up to about six hundred, six hundred and fifty.

Speaker 1 (40:48):
Bucks undred fifty.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
Yeah, but the wrong tag.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
But you but yeah, no, you know what jac is
with any gun purchase of six fifty or more, that's
where you're.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
Okay, So that's where I probably got that.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
And a lot of these have the gun mats on them.
They have several hats in them, they have shirts, they
have targets, they have block water bottles, they got stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Arts, they got all sorts of stuff in here.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
There is a ton of a couple of shirts.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
Different, I mean different, They're a little different.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
And these are most of these are made up of
gun manufacturer stuff, so stuff that we've bought and put
together over the year. But there's I think there's fifteen
or so of these around. Everyone's a little different, but
it's definitely a while. It supplies last for any gun
purchase starting Black Friday and Black Friday weekend of six
fifty or more one hundred and fifty dollars. Value and

(41:40):
Jacu were talking about some of the rebates, the manufacturer
rebates going on in addition to all.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
This, Yeah, in addition to all that Smith and Wesson.
You know, I was put out and this is good
from November first to December thirty first, So to New
Year's Eve, and if you get any of their M
and P fifteen and twenty two caliber, you get a
fifty dollars prepaid card. Don't just give you a credit

(42:05):
card for fifty bucks. If you buy one of their
folding stock FPCs in nine millimeter which is kind of
a folding car being, which are really kind of pretty
slick how they work, you get a seventy five dollars
gift card back. Or if you get that Smith and
Weston response with's more of a nine millimeter ar style.

(42:26):
But again, buy one, get whatever price you pay for it,
but they'll send you seventy five bucks. And the M
and P fifteen, the regular stand adn M and P
fifteen or the M and P one hundred. You buy
one of those and Smith and Welson will give you
a gift card for one hundred bucks. So that's a
nice promo from them. I've taken advantage of some of
the promos that they've had in the past, and yep,

(42:48):
just like it says, they turn around and send you
a gift card.

Speaker 1 (42:52):
So there's a lot of good stuff here. GC. I
went into when you were talking and picked out some
of the stuff on the front of the studio desk.
That's Surefire light that's free with the membership. It is
a did you see the price on that?

Speaker 2 (43:01):
Yeah, I'm seeing this one hundred.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Dollars light for your your pistol, the x R one.
I mean that's maybe I maybe I should have reviewed
this stuff before I went on there, talked about it.
I can't believe we're giving these away.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Yeah, that's a that's a lot. I mean, people say, well,
and it's not a gun. Well, yeah, it costs more
than some of the guns that. Yeah, we're out there
and that's incredible.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
I also when the boys right over the Wrangler, that
is a nice it's.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
A it's a wonderful little twenty two and it gets
great ratings, and uh, you know you can get that,
or if you come in first you can. You can
also get for free the one that has both cylinders.
Cylinders and I kind of like the I'd like the
twenty two Magnum Winchester mag is really a great one

(43:50):
for that and besides that, we have a clearch table
over there, which I always got about that. Phenomenal prices. Well,
anything after Black Friday, anything on there is additional twenty
five percent off, we've got holsters, We've got all sorts
of great stuff. And John that table quite a few
times in my in my their years.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Here, Hey, a little little secret. To this day, every
time Dad comes in and walks through the store, he
stops on the clearance table. To this day, you know,
I just there's so much over there, and we have
taken all. Oh I didn't even see John. I forgot
to tell you this. We've taken on two estates this
week and they're probably forty guns total in them. We

(44:32):
got in a lot of nice stuff Smith and Wesson,
and this would go to our US sales. So these
are gonna be Smith and we four fifty seven. Really
remember that? Yeah, I do? This was in two tone. Okay,
ready for this now. I'm saying this now because if
I talk about it I will be less prone to
buy it. A Smith and Wesson in the box CS nine.

Speaker 2 (44:53):
Chief Special nine Chief Special nine with a holster with.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
A Don Hume left handed holster. John, do you know
anyone left?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Well, they're ten percent of the people, and I happen
to be one of them. There you go, but I.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
S S nine. You don't see those at all? No, No,
this one is likely box. This one also had an
M and P full size forty Pro series. It had
a nice uh thirty six rifle. I think it was
a Ruger Hawkeye. Is that I think one? Yeah, really
really sharp. There were some neat, neat things in this Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
I just I'm excited about the sale because I like
other people's wonderful girls that they have not fired and
they just stuck them up. Yeah, exactly, and when they
someone unfortunately, when they passed away, a lot of the
folks going, look, my husband's got all the stuff. I
don't know anything about it, and we end up bidding
on it. If we get it, Yeah, we're going to
pass those savings on too.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
And John. There was a ton of AMMO with these two.
I mean we there is a lot of a state
AMO mixed in here right now. When you go to
buy it, you'll you'll get a discount on it. We
have a marked there's a lot that clearance table. I'm
excited about because there's some neat things on there, from
primers to you know, random World War two helmet I
saw over there the other day. I see it's a

(46:09):
tip of a sword. Right now, I don't know what.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
That's all about it. But yeah, it's a lot of
stuff that we get in on trades to come in
our state sales and it's like, okay, it's part of
the sale. But that's kind of where we put these
and we have some great deals. I know, I missed
missed out on my my Mitch Rosen holster that was
absolutely perfect for me. And I know they go for
almost one hundred buses. You not have it, well I

(46:32):
should have, but instead I went to the bank to
withdraw money to come back and get it, and someone
else saw me looking at it. Just like at a
gun show if you pick up something really interested and
people go, what is so interesting?

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Yes, so someone well, hey, look what I got off
the clearance table for just puckling nothing. I mean, it
was just and then we've got good stuff over it
and you and you you hit the nail on the
hedge on. There was a ton of holsters. There's a
lot that are in the package. It's still tons and
tons of holsters over there. I mean, really, you'll be
amazed that you probably find something for a firearm that

(47:04):
you carry twenty five percent off after Black Friday. So yeah,
come in Black Friday.

Speaker 1 (47:10):
Yeah, And we opened a normal time on Black Friday,
ten am and we'll all be here. We're excited. Are
you going to be here? John?

Speaker 2 (47:18):
I thank you you chopping over at the clearance there, but.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
I'll let you in Allie.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, this is oh good. Thank you to work. Yes,
that would be that would be good.

Speaker 1 (47:29):
Guys. I can't believe. I don't know where the time went,
but the time is now ending. We appreciate you spending
the time with us. Thanks for thanks for listening to
the opening and guess getting that off our chest a
little bit. We're so thankful of the verdict today with
Officer Grub and we're excited about next week. We're very
excited about the holidays and some of the things we

(47:50):
can pass on to our loyal customers. We're very our
customers is what keeps us going and so we're very
appreciative and we'd like to pass some of those along.
So guys, have a great week and have a great Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
And these are going to be posted. So don't forget
to pull up our website because what.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
You get the email to get the email, sign up
for the.

Speaker 2 (48:08):
Email, email, get it and these will be there for you.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
There you go, guys, and as always, as always this weekend, always,
let's be careful out there.