What do you think of Eric's new merch idea?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, I think this week finally broke me. We've been
level headed, professional, respectful, try to keep our emotions in
checked during some of the most difficult times. But I
think now we need to fight fire with fire, meet resistance,
meet it with force. This week we're going to have

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a new line of shirts coming out to honor some
of the politicians and media on the left, and as
we say at the beginning of every show, actually all
five and twenty nine of them, we are not politically correct.
And hey, if you don't like it, don't buy one.
Pre Orders are going to start later today. Hope to
have our first batch in here by the end of

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the week. Now you might get some pushback on these,
but come on, guys, we're already late to the game.
So get this, guys, the first shirt, they'll have them
thinking like you're one of them. It has a picture
of Nancy Pelosi on the front. Now, before you say
I don't want a picture of Nancy Pelosi on the front,
it's not going to be gudy, It's going to be

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simple and on the back. Get this, guys on the back,
it's just going to say is she dead yet? I mean,
come on, I mean you know she's been kicking.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
For a year.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
I don't remember a time without her, but that it
is sure to turn some heads, but heck with them.
You know, you'll probably get more people high fiving, high
fiving you than giving you a grief. But yeah, that's
coming out this week, up next, the next one. This
is personally my favorite because it's subtle. It's a nice hat,
kind of like along the lines of the Maga hats,

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and on the front it says AOC instead of MAGA
right right there on the front. But if you look close,
then it's a camo hat. If you look close, the
camo is actually made up of a million of little
eighty sixes, different fonts and different sizes and stuff. So
you know, it's like it's subtle, but it's like, you know,

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eighty six AOC. I mean, it's it's so subtle you
could probably you could probably wear it to your kid's
ball game. They wouldn't even know. The last one though,
the last one, though I feel a little bit bad about.
On the front of it, on the front of it,
it says, it just simply says, one day we're gonna
wake up to his obituary. So can imagine you're walking
around Polaris, you got this shirt. One day we're gonna

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wake up to his obituary. So it begs the question,
you know what what is this guy talking about? Right
hidden on the back you're gonna have and you got
to look real close becase it's gonna be like one
of those its er things where you kind of got
to stare at it for a second. On the back though,
it's gonna be a bust of Biden. You know when
are we're gonna wake up to his obituary? I mean
that could be any day now. Yeah, So I know

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these guys, guys, I know these are a little bit
out there, but can you put a price on what
it's gonna take to save this country? Seriously? You know
we we think they're gonna fly off the shelves. They
should be here later this week. Watch for them. And
if you want to come in and do pre orders,
we are certainly certainly taking taking those this week. Well,

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this audience is, guys, the last duty audience right here,
A nine nine nine bad. It doesn't sound like something
we should do. Come on, guys, it's gonna be cool.
I mean it's the thing to do, you know, it's
since when have we been insensitive? Have you seen the
world out there? I mean insensitive. This is the type
of thing that we need to go out there with,

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fool forced to do. You know, it's not so we're
saying the audience here, I'm getting getting a little pushback.
I guess it's not sensitive or it's insensitive to uh
to wish death upon a past president either. Guys, I
get your point. They're edgy. I admittedly so these are edgy,

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but these are unprecedented times. Come on, I mean, why
can't we go out there and wear stuff like this?
We've got to stand up. How'd you feel when I
announced these this week? Come on, I'm a private citizen.
It's not like it's the Republican Party setting up a
booth here in our store selling these. I'm a businessman.

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Would you have felt any different if I told you
that the Republican Party had a booth here setting those
up to sell. Does that change your mind? I think
most of the audience would think it was appalling, sick, irresponsible.
I know I would, But beyond that, I would be
angry at the party because that does not represent me.

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I'm not sticking some Republican sticker in the back of
my car. If that's what they're all about, heck no.
But guys, my Democrat friends, this is exactly what was
being sold and given away at the Ashland, Ohio County
Fair this week. Not by some novelty store trying to

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capitalize on the day.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
The booth was your Demo Democratic Party.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Democratic Party had a booth at the fair this week,
not to discuss policies or push solutions. They had a
booth until the sheriff escorted them out. They had a
booth where you could buy these items, one of them
showing a red ball cap with the word fellon across it,
inscribed with these words is he dead? Yet? Another simply

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read eighty six forty seven. One day we'll wake up
to his obituary. To disagree on policy, it's healthy if
you argue a point with the other side, that that's okay. Guys.
To call for violence of fellow Americans, especially after last week,
it's evil. It's pure evil. If you're a Democrat, I ask,

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do they represent you anymore? We all musting united to
root out the evil amongst us. So darkness, we're not
afraid of it anymore, And for any news media out
there waiting to report on LAPD selling eighty six. AOC
hats it ain't gonna happen. We have too much class,

(06:16):
too much intellect, and too much self respect. You got
to go to your local Democratic office to get that
type of attire. On Target is next.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
Time you looking good? Good afternoon, and welcome on Target.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
We're broadcasting live from the studio of LPD Fararms Range
and Training Facility that's located at nine ninet nine Triple nine,
Bethel Road. I'm your host, Eric, along with the live
studio audience. Ella, do you realize I had them show
up a half an hour early to rehearse that today?
Oh it was really good, you know, half an hour early.

(06:56):
I had to bring coffee and donuts and geez right.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yeah, I texted you you had me in the first
half there. I was sitting here like, Eric, you can't
don't do that.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
I was trying to sell it because that was a
hard sell for me to even even say that, because
it's so against what we think. I couldn't believe it.
I don't know, Ella, did you see the story out there?

Speaker 3 (07:17):
No, I'm fooling it right now, which which fair was it.
You can see all the buttons and exactly what it said.
And after I talked to you yesterday, I got home
and then it said that the Sheriff's also considering official chargers.
They called secret Service right away, and so now they're
being investigated because they're just encouraging the death of our president.

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Do that?

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I mean?

Speaker 3 (07:39):
And buttons so by the Democratic booth.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Their party, I mean, is he still alive?

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Is he dead yet? I mean, how can you put that?
And at your party's.

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Booth, just really disgusting.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
It is it is guys. We are the owner's VPD
firearm Drains and training facility and are active in law enforcement.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
But for one hour on Saturdays.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
We put together a group of experts to discuss new
products in the market, training tips, and oftentimes political topics
surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commandment that has always been
to bring you facts about our industry, help customers and
listeners with safe, responsible ownership of firearms. Today on the show,
first of all, we got to thank our good friend
Cam Edwards who jumped on with us last week. Always
good to talk to him, and I saw jac I

(08:24):
think some of our new stories are coming from bearing
arms again this week.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Yeah, you know, he's out there every day, so it's
hard to miss some of his stories.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
I'll tell you yep. In our show today at twelve
twenty five, our good friend and former I didn't think
it's kind of hard to say, jac our former ABC
six reporter Kate Seffert's going to call in and join us,
talk about her a new adventure and see what she
has going on. Jac's going to have news coming up.
But at twelve thirty, and he's snuck onto the stage.

(08:52):
You're Mike's hot now, Derek, So yeah, you know, put
that a little bit, Cliff, you can get it around
your beard a little bit.

Speaker 2 (08:57):
That's perfect.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
At twelve thirty, we're gonna welcome our good friend, and
I do mean that dearly. Our good friend, Derek de
Bross of Ammunition Call Group's gonna join us for a
discussion about getting.

Speaker 2 (09:08):
Back your rights.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
If you don't have your rights any longer for owning
a firearm.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
That's right. Federal gun rights are back in action.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
So it isn't this good? I mean it's a good thing.
And so I know you're on top of that, your
podcast highly successful out there. You I got there and
watch it all the time, So at twelve thirty, I'm
I'm excited to get into that conversation as well. If
you like the show. Actually, you can always catch the
podcasts at l EPD dot com. It's out there on YouTube,

(09:36):
It's on iTunes, iHeartRadio, really any place you catch your podcast.
We are out there. Got to thank our sponsors as well,
US law Shield, Jackson Egress, Windows, River's Edge, Cutlery, Black
Wings Shooting Center. They got this this guy, Derek de
Bross being there tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (09:51):
Pretty handsome guy.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
It does not say anything about that. Maybe maybe shaved
before then, Derek, you got this, you know, but no,
you're you're talking that Black Wing tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
Say. It's a regular legal seminar they do. I do
it about every six weeks or so. I've been doing it
for a few years now. Usually pretty well attended and
we go over a lot of different topics. Yeah, that's
a good thing.

Speaker 1 (10:08):
It's definitely worthwhile going out there. So you'll get two
days back to back of Derek if you listen today
and they got there tomorrow. So, Jase, I know there's
some news out there. What do you got for us?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
There's a ton of news out here. All right, let's
just start out with the California and the reason that
this can be more important is I think everybody realizes
that their governor, Gavin Newsom has intentions of running for president.
I think he's dancing around it, but I think everyone
has said that that's going to happen. Well, the California
legislature gave their final approval to Assembly Bill eleven twenty

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seven last Saturday, and they didn't mention glock by name,
but this would actually ban gun dealers in California, the
forty million people out there from selling any machine gun,
convertible somewhat automatic pistol. And they even mentioned those that
can except glock switches.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Duh.

Speaker 3 (11:02):
But anyway, there have the legislatures passed it, and it
would be in the sale of glock pistols buy licensed dealers.
So it's it's being sent to Governor Gavin Newsom's desk. Now,
if he's smart, he's going to do the third option here.
He can either he has thirty days to either sign
it or veto it, or just allow it to become

(11:25):
law without his signature. And now he's trying to switch
over his profile to being a moderate instead of the
progressive politician that he really is. He's been so supportive
of all the strictest gun laws of the California has
come up with so far, but he's again recently attempted
to rebrand himself. He was actually on the Sean Ryan

(11:47):
Show in July, and on that show, Sean Ryan presented
him with a six hour p three sixty five handgun,
and of course.

Speaker 2 (11:59):
What did he do.

Speaker 3 (11:59):
He praised it. He goes, oh, yes, it's great, the
right to keep him bare arms. His quote was, yeah, man,
I'm not anti gun at all, he replied, but he
opted to leave the pistol there at the station when
he left. And so far, they said that he has
not had it shipped to California. In California, well yeah,
that's that was what someone had brought up. But it's

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been a while. Death is in July still hasn't made
its way. I guess that the mail carriers are slow,
but I.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Don't know that. Is it three sixty five even legal
to buy in California?

Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well no not, but he's the governor, so I don't
know if that makes some special Because police are allowed
to own these, military are allowed to own these, and I
guess he could consider himself a police officer of the law.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
So he didn't have to do the mask and he
can right get every he wants.

Speaker 3 (12:46):
But this new law, I mean they said that. You know,
so far, we've mentioned many times all glocks are currently
considered unsafe in the entire state of California. So they're
allowed to sell the one, two, and three, the varieties
that they have so generations first, second, and third generation
because they were grandfathered in at the time the law

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was assigned. But if they don't have a magazine disconnect
and a safety an outside and a loaded chamber indicator,
they're considered unsafe. So there is That's what Gavin' said down.

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Jase, what's going on in Massachusetts? They are a wreck
right now.

Speaker 3 (13:22):
It really so this is happening now. Matter of fact,
it takes place I think October second, which is not
far away. So Massachusetts it's sent to launch online gun
registration and serialization on October second, and this is going
to be everybody who owns any firearm whatsoever, rifle, pistol, shotgun, frame, anything,

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is going to have to register their firearms on this system.
Now they have a year to complete this, but Massachusetts
wants everybody, including new residents and non residents that are
working there or coming in there. But under this new
law going into effect, every firearm possessed either manufacturer assembled

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to Commonwealth must be logged into the state's firearm licensing portal.
And they're being very strict about this. So the registration
rules require owners to report personal and firearm details. You
got to write everything down about your firearm and entergy,
including the acquisition date. When did you get this? Gosh,

(14:33):
I'd have to go a lot, a lot in the sixties,
who knows, but in the source where to get it
from and through this portal, and new residents have sixty
days to do it. Dealers and gunsmith manufacturers and distributors
seven days, So you have seven days to do it.
Airs if you inherit something, they give you sixty days
after the inheritance, and if you make your own you

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only have seven days. And they even have Here's how
it has to be printed. The print size has to
be this. If you don't have a serial number, you
have to They will give you a special serial number.
As you know may know. Serial numbers won't required until
nineteen sixty eight. Gun Control Acts there's a lot of
stuff out there.

Speaker 2 (15:12):
So if you have a yeah crazy, if you have.

Speaker 3 (15:14):
A round best from the Revolutionary War, don't have a
serial nup, you got to go have that serialized. Now.

Speaker 1 (15:18):
So wow, case went to I heard there was some
good news out of Florida this week.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, they had a three judge piano in Florida that
went ahead and said, you know what, the fact that
we do not have open carry is really unconstitutional. I
mean they went back did the Brewin test and there
was nothing against carrying open carry. So they are the

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latest state. Now, this kind of surprised me, this stat
with Florida saying that it takes place September twenty fifth.
By the way, some sheriffs aren't happy about it and
said they catch anybody before September twenty fifth, we're going
to arrest them. So but when this past asked when
they it didn't really pass, the court system just said,
you know that, no, it's unconstitutional. But get this, this

(16:07):
really surprised me. Ninety percent of the states and the
United States have open carry. Wow, what so only five
don't and you can probably guess who they are, but
they ninety percent, Only five states don't so California, Connecticut, Illinois,
New Jersey, and New York do not have open carry. Wow,

(16:28):
all the rest do. So I was very pleased about that.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
So that's good.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
That's good. Another one, Jac before we go into the
break here. I got some housekeeping items. We still have
the trade ends, the shield forties H two nineteen and
the full sides MMP forties three nineteen. Each of them
include one hundred rounds of M of forty. I mean
they're a great deal. We sold a lot last week.
There's still a few out there when you get that out.

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I also wanted to wish happy birthday to somebody in
our audience who had a birthday this week. Mister Bachmann,
Hey wait wait, how are how old are you?

Speaker 2 (17:04):
How much? Eighty nine?

Speaker 1 (17:06):
I think he is the oldest participant here.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
At the show.

Speaker 3 (17:09):
That's excellent.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Well, he was eighty nine last year. Again, JC, we
need to check the numbers. Yeah, we'll have to be
speaking of speaking of numbers, speaking of numbers, Happy anniversary, JC,
Thank you today. Now here there's another there's little discrepancy.
It says you're saying you've been married thirty nine years.
Deb says it's sixty five years. Well, it it.

Speaker 3 (17:32):
Sales like sixty five, I feel like, no, my bride
is yeah, thirty nine years with my bride and uh
just yeah, it's uh, it's wonderful. And the only thing
I regret is that it's not our forty ninth or fifteen.
I mean she wished out of met her earlier. So yeah,
a wonderful woman.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Guys.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Let's go to a break and we come back on
the other side. We're going to talk to our good
friend Kate Seaffert, see what she has been up to
since leaving ABC six. We're on talk of broadcasting live
from the students of LPD Farms arranged. We'll be back
after the break. You see that JC kind of taking
it down and it's at Yeah, welcome back to on Target.

(18:08):
I'm yours, Derek joined to the AC. To my left
my good friend Derek de Brost of Ammunition Law Group,
he says, to my right. We're gonna hear from him shortly,
but on the phone on the phone with us right
now is former ABC six reporter and now senior development
director at the Ronald McDonald House.

Speaker 2 (18:26):
You may have seen her.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
She's been on the nightly news here locally for you's
for a long time award winning, but she gave up
the glamour of that here recently to take this position.
And guys, what a loss for local media coverage, but
what a gain for the folks over there at the
Ronald McDonald House. Hi, welcome now Kate Seaffert to the show.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
How are you? Kate?

Speaker 4 (18:47):
Hey? Eric, thanks so much for having me. How are you?

Speaker 2 (18:50):
I'm good?

Speaker 1 (18:50):
You know what, I've only been inviting you on the
show for twelve years, and now you finally came on.

Speaker 4 (18:56):
I know I had a hard time coming on right
because I'm a local news report. We have to report
everything down the middle, and I appreciate all the hell
that you've been through our reporting through things over the years.
I'm so excited that I get to finally be on
the show. I'm so excited. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
I know, wait, kay, you're saying we're not down the.

Speaker 4 (19:13):
Middle, you know, but we always were, Eric, when we
when we did our reporting with you, you were always
very fair and I always appreciated that.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
No, and we seriously we'll miss your reporting here locally
because it was always good in depth. You know, you're
getting the facts when you saw a Kate Seaffert story.
But you've turned over no new leaf now you are
have it is awesome and you and I talked this week.
You're super excited about it for those who aren't familiar,
And I don't know how you couldn't be. If you're

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who aren't familiar with the Ronald McDonald house, tell us
a little bit about it.

Speaker 4 (19:49):
Sure, So, yeah, So I just took a job with
Ronald McDonald House. Cherry's Essential, Ohio. And if you're not familiar,
it's located right across the street from Nationwide Children's Hospital,
and our mission is keeping families closed. So if a
child is in need of some critical healthcare needs, they're
family members. If they're from further away, they have a
place to stay. We're a nonprofit, so we really rely

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on our amazing donors and partnerships and through events where
we raise money. But it's an amazing organization once again
right across the nation White Children's Hospital, just making sure
that families can be close to the they're kiddos who
might be going through a really, really hard time.

Speaker 1 (20:24):
Yeah, that is really good work. And we kind of
got reconnected here recently because you have an amazing event
coming up next Friday in Mount Gilea. Tell us about
that Mount Gilead.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
Okay, so, and I was so excited to reach out
to you about this. So it's our Sporting Place tournament.
As Derek mentioned, it's on Friday, September twenty six, it's
all day long. It's at the Eagles Nest Sporting Grounds
in Mount Gilea. So there's two different flights. There's a
morning flight and afternoon flight with lunch in between, so
people can come either in the morning, have lunch or
come have lunch and then head out and we give
you guys one hundred targets and ammunition. There's going to

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be a raffle. There's a live auption in silent auction
that's open right now for folks. Over the years this event,
Eric has raised more than two million dollars for Ronald
McDonald House. So we're really excited to do this event again.
And registration still open.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Wow, that's great. So is there there are still spots
left for.

Speaker 4 (21:14):
Singles or or there are several spots left and we're
going to keep registration open until Thursday of the day
before the event. If you want to register to become
a participant, just head to our website, which is our
MHC hyphen Central Ohio dot org. If folks head to
my Instagram page, they can find links to this radio show. Eric.
Of course I had to give you some props and
then to our event as well. So if they head

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to my Instagram page, Kate Siefer, just look it up
on Instagram and you'll be able to find the info.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
Wonderful And Kate, I don't know. Would it help if
we gave you guys a firearm to do at a
silent auction?

Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh my gosh, well that I mean that would be amazing.
Are you serious?

Speaker 2 (21:49):
Yeah, we have one right here where.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Well that's if John and and Derek don't walk off
the table.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
With it, But if it makes you do the show.

Speaker 4 (21:56):
Honored, Yeah, that would be incredible. We would be so honored.
We can add that to our are are silent auction.
People would love that. Oh my gosh. Then, thank you
guys so much.

Speaker 3 (22:04):
I was hoping it was it was a shotgun and
maybe a double burrow. Then they could have a mcdouble.
That would be the Uh.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
That's Kate, It's amazing. Oh we love it, Thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
We are so happy for you in your new role,
and it's great to hear from you. You're gonna have
to come sit with us for one of the shows.
And still you gotta considered the unpaid position of field
reporter for on Target. You know, keep that in mind.

Speaker 4 (22:30):
It's maybe I think it's all my free time. I
think I could freeze that in love that well, I do.
I do. Got to come in person and be on
your show with you guys.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Great, great, great, well a great talking to you again.
We look forward to the event next Friday Mount Gilead,
and certainly let us know if we can help.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
Yeah, thank you, thank you. You're helping more than enough.
Thank you guys so much. I really really appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
All right, have a great weekend, Kate.

Speaker 4 (22:54):
Okay, you're true, You're through.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
See you.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
It's for good, good people there, Jacon. We gotta do
to the bottom of the hour news. When we come
back on the other side, it is all the Derek
de Bros.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
Show.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
I'm just going to turn it over right to you.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Derek.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
We're going to talk about getting back your gun right
so much much. Well, we're on Talking broadcasting live from
the studios of LPD Firearms and Range we'll be back
after the news.

Speaker 2 (23:16):
Welcome back to on Target.

Speaker 1 (23:17):
I'm heresteric joined today in the l EPD studio. I
got JC to my left. We don't have Big Ed.
I don't know. He's out doing something with something, who knows,
but he ain't here. Hopefully back soon. But I do
have our good friend Derek de Bros Ammunition's Law Group. Derek,
We've known each other for a long time since I
remember when this was a Korean grocery store.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Came here when you were building it. Yeah, I know
our office was right next door.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
I know.

Speaker 2 (23:41):
I know.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
Our friendship goes back a long time, and certainly we've grown,
but you guys grown as well. I mean now owner
of the Munition's Law Group, a successful podcast out there
really helping people navigate the waters, not just locally but
nationwide on the laws that are out there. And there's
so many things. I like watching your podcast because people
and you know, I'm driving across New Jersey with the

(24:03):
gun and I'm legal, you know what's the laws around that?
And you hit the nail on the head with these
things on these little nuanced right.

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Yeah, but it is a myriad of walls that we
have to deal with around the country. When we built
the practice up to be more national, we just start
affiliate with other attorneys around the country because it's just
the patchwork of walls. We don't do a ton of
work in New York or Hawaii or California. We did
a little bit of work in California, but we have
attorneys that we're affiliate with around the country. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
So today, I mean, and it's been a while since
you've jumped on with this, but today I wanted to
talk to you because there's something that big that came
down in March of this year from I think Attorney
Generally General Pam Bondi, and it is something that is
going to give people who have had their gun rights
taken away an opportunity to get them back at a
much better process than has been before. And when I

(24:51):
was listening to some of your podcasts, it was amazing
how long it's been since this process has been up
and running in tell us a little bit about what's
going on with this.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Yeah, So, you know, what's interesting in this country is
that the Second Amendment historically has not been looked at
as a right that it's as important as to the
others there's no better way to say it. So it's
easily lost, right. And but since the Heller decision came
out in no way, and then McDonald came out in
two thousand and ten, and then the Brewined decision came
out a couple of years back, there's been a lot

(25:23):
of litigation now on whether or not things such as
non violent fealons actually lose their gun rights if you're
a user of you know, medicinal marijuana. And there are
some cases that have come out and said yes, these
are unconstitutional in the Bruin analysis. So that's been kind
of in the forefront de lay a little of a context.
And what I've done my entire career is work with
disenfranchised people, mainly felons, but also mentally ill people, things

(25:46):
and people with other types of factors in their background
that would restrict their ability to own a gun or
the Gun Control Act and how to restore those rights.
And traditionally we look to the States, but sometimes those
rights can't be restored. You know, I can't get in
all the specific today, but for instance, in Ohio, if
you have a misdemeanor coming domestic violence, there's no clear
way to do it. You just have to take a
word for that. You can't expunge it. You can't. You

(26:08):
can't get a restoration rights based on US case law.
So but there is a process at the federal level,
right and it's it's called eighteen USC. Nine to twenty
five subsection cheat Sea isn't Charlie. And that law basically says, hey,
if you can show through application to the US Department
of Justice that you are not a threat to the
public or not a public threat, rather than they can
grant you a restoration or rights for federal purposes. Only

(26:29):
the state can still restrict it. But the federal is
the most important right. We have to fix that. And
traditionally that is well not traditionally since nineteen ninety two
has never been funded. So this law has been on
the books for years.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So the law's been there here, this is how you
can go about getting your rights restored. But it's not funded,
so therefore it doesn't go anyway.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
And I don't know the politics behind it. You know,
obviously the Democrats have been very much on board on
defunding that. So if you submitted in an application and
you know four years ago, they would send it back
to you and there's been litigation on this and they
said it's not on constitutionally have this law and not
fund it. Right, there's just no money for it. So
what Pam BONDI did through in the Trump administration says, Hey,
we're going to reinstate this and we're going to take

(27:08):
the power that's been delegated to the ETF away from them,
put it squarely back in the DOJ, and we're and
provide funding for it. So right now we're in what
we call a comment period because it's done by executive order,
and that comment period ends on October twentieth, and then
the applications I am hypothesizing will be ruled out by
the end of the year.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
So because it was done on an executive order, could
this be reversal?

Speaker 2 (27:28):
Yeah. So I've been telling clients when they're calling me,
you know, and then we get to the fun part, right, well,
how much does it cost? And I'll quote them a feeling.
I don't know if I can a forty a m like, well,
just be aware there's a window because once Trump's o
Office of a Democrats put back an office that could
be rescinded.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Yeah, that's exactly the case.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
So Derek.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
If you and we're talking Derek Debrost Munition's law group,
if if you get those rights restored federally, can that
trickle down to the state or how does that?

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Yeah, so it depends on state law. Ohio's interesting. Let's
talk about where we're at, Bio. Our statue that deals
with what we call gun rights disabilities is two nine
two three point one three, and in the beginning preface
of that law, it says, unless otherwise relieved by operation
of law or a legal process, if you have these
types of convictions, you can't own guns. The question becomes,

(28:16):
is this federal process a legal process or operation of
law as the state sees it, or are they referring
to just a state process. They don't say state process, right,
But there's no case on this obviously because it's never
been done. So we have to deal with things like that. Georgia,
for instance, their law says if you've got a federal restoration,
you have to go through their process, but you submit
that restoration document to them, right. So every state's a

(28:39):
little bit different.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
So at this point, Ohio doesn't have the process.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Well, Hio's got a restoration process of its own. What
I'm saying is if I if I'm a convicted domestic
violent offender, that's not a good example because Hio doesn't
takeway rights from domestic vialleent offenders if their misdemeanors. They'll say,
I'm a felon with domestic violence, and I go out
and get my rights restored. At the federal level, the
question is does Ohio recon And it's an unknown That's
what I would tell you. It's not clear either way.

(29:04):
I think it's more clear that they would recognize it
because it's a legal process right period. But I can
see a judge saying that's anti gun say no, no, no, no,
it's gotta be an Ohio legal process right.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
Is there anything? Is there any prohibitions out there that
you can't even touch?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
I mean, do you do you?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
You know, if someone comes to you and says, I've
been convicted of X, Y Z or aren't prohibited because
of this.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
Is an unfixable disability, not with federal restoration on the table.
Mental health has always been one of the more difficult
ones in Ohio. Just if you if you were adjudicated mentally,
I know, subject to a core order of hospitalization, you're
shut out of the water. There's no way to fix
it at the federal level because Ohio has never adopted
the federal guidelines for restoration for mental health. Okay, there's
a federal process that has to be in place, and

(29:49):
Ohio has never taken the grant money and adopted that process.
But under this new restoration law, if your state has
not adopted the federal process, you can go to this process.
So now there's an avenue to do it, all right.
There's some problems with how the rules written, such as
you have to get all these records that might not exist.
I got a client I was convicted of our robbery
Massachusetts in the early eighties. I can't get the records,

(30:09):
but the application process wants those records. So we're making
comments right now about these issues that are but these
are procedural issues at the end of the day.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Right and so and then we talked about this off
fair a little bit. This is different than if you
go to your local gun store and get denied in
the purchase of firearm. I mean that the appeal of
that Nick denial, well, an appeal of a Knicks now
is just an appeal of a Knicks denial either it's
right or it's wrong.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
If it's wrong, you get a gun. You know your
rights were never taken. Right, you appealed it successfully, your
rights were never restricted. If the appeal doesn't hold up
and you're still denied, you're still denied. You have a disability.
You have to go in and where you have to
fix it. Traditionally is the jurisdiction of the proceedings arose.
So if it's a state conviction, you go to the
state for state purposes, and federal it would fix both.

(30:54):
But what if you have a conviction for misdemeanor crimeate
domestic bands in Ohio? Hio doesn't care if you wann
a gun, like we don't restrict that right, but the
Feds do. Well, I can't go to Ohio to fix
it because Ohio hasn't taken it. So the only option
traditionally was to sue the government. I've done that over
the years successfully. But now we have this direct path.
We can write to the federal government say give me

(31:14):
these rights back. So it's a very calm, complicated and
convoluted process.

Speaker 3 (31:17):
Wow wow, that just sounds complicated.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Do you are you seeing any other positive or negative
things with this? Administration relating to.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
Absolutely, I mean, the number one thing is that they're
no longer demonizing people like you. I mean the entire
Biden administration. I just couldn't believe it. All these revocations
happening in the FFL Federal Farms Licensees for nonsense, absolute
non and you on the front lines that I was
on the front lines of it. I did multiple revocation hearings,
and you know, I've been doing this for seventeen years
prior to Biden. I think I did two two like

(31:47):
you couldn't find an attorney who had experienced doing them
because they were always resolved with the ETF. ATF was
a partner with the industry. No longer Underbiden administration. Now
you're the enemy. So when clients would come to me
and say, hey, I made a bookkeeping area, what do
I do? I normally would say, so disclose it, not
anymore because you might get revoked, and fifty thousand dollars later,
I can keep your license for you.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
Right, So, these guys, So, of the ones, and I'm
sure you can mention this, but of the ones that
you represented during that time, how many the vast majority
I assume maintained their license.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
The vast majority of the ones I will. I lost one,
and I probably did a couple dozen, you know, and
you had to show extraordinary circumstances. But it was all
I had to watch my language in there. It was
all BS right. These revocations were absolute BS. We had
a guy in southern Ohio had a guy come in
with a license during COVID and the license was expired technically,

(32:37):
but there was an order from the governor, the governor
saying they're still valid. So in his mind he's like,
it's a good license, I can accept it. In LUA
forty four to seventy three. That was not the case.
He was wrong, but they revoked him for it. It
was an honest mistake. It wasn't a public threat. The
guy ended up being a perfectly legitimate individual. They went
back and tracked him down, everything was fine. Why revoke him,
you know, Why make him spend tens of thousands of

(32:58):
dollars on legal fees to defend his livelihood and his
employees' livelihoods on top of it.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's a death by a thousand cuts, Jasey, like you
always say. So these guys, they they maintained their license
after like you said, tens of thousands of dollars.

Speaker 2 (33:10):
But to your point, that's gone. That's gone. Now we
have an ATF that now is again a partner with
the industry, and I've talked to several ATF agents that
are very happy about that. Ye say the least.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
So yeah, I have, I have as well.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
There's an enormous waste of ATF resources and tax dollars.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, they'll cut down the number of investigators and put
them out in the field where they where they belong.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Real right, let's go on for real coat, And that's
that was argument all along. Let's go after the back.
I mean, I was standing there front line with someone
who's a bad guy or a bad store or whatever,
but you were him.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
And up there's some FFLs that deserve loser license, Let's
make no bones about it. You know, people that are
are just neglectful and oh you did you filled out
you were a domestic a mine offender and I'll still
sell you the gun. Things like that. Right, that does exist,
but it's few and far between. They were literally revoking
people for paperworkers.

Speaker 1 (33:57):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
That's gone.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Talking to our good friend dare to brought communitions, Derek,
I'm gonna tell a couple other things that your kind
of off the wall. Similarly related, though for a long
time you were doing trust for gun trust for n
FA items. Is that as important to do nowadays, especially
what's coming in January?

Speaker 3 (34:15):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (34:15):
So what make it very clear? In January they're just
doing away with the tax, but the registration still exists,
so the paperwork is still there. And what you have
to understand NFA items is only the registered owner can
possess them, possession meaning dominion and control. So traditionally what
gave rise to the gun trust was the sheriff used
to have to sign off on you purchasing it. He

(34:36):
had to give you a permission slip. And that changed
actually under Obama, believe it or not, one of the
better things he did with guns was he no longer
required that by executive order. He just required you notify
the sheriff. Right, it makes total sense. Historically, this is
the oldest gun control in the country. Nineteen thirty four.
We didn't have the Internet. People were in as transient,
so the sheriff knew the bad apples, so that's why
you had to get permissioned. It became a political bat

(34:57):
later on in time. So are the trust still necessary
now that we don't need the shriff to sign off,
which gave rise to the NFA trust, and now that
we don't have to pay the tax. I believe yes,
I would always put it into some sort of vehicle
because there's multiple benefits. One, you avoid probate. If you
have to put one of these items through probate, it's complicated.
Most attorneys don't know what they're doing, and you could
end up unknowingly violating the law. And then two, you

(35:18):
can have multiple users of that gun. Right, so if
you want to be on my trust, you can take
the gun, go hunting. I don't have to be with you, right.
So those are the two main, predominantly biggest reasons that
you would still want to do a trust.

Speaker 3 (35:29):
Yeah, that makes sense.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
So a lot of talk the last couple of weeks, actually,
we've talked about it at length actually the last month.
All these court cases coming down. If you're a user
of marijuana and some of these other items, some of
these courts are saying, now that you can possess firearms,
what do you think it's going to go?

Speaker 2 (35:45):
Yeah, well, quite honestly, I think it's unconstitutional to restrict
somebody's fundamental right because they're decided to smoke a plant.
I know, but that's just my personal rold.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
Okay, but how about okay, have about an injecta plant?
I mean what I mean, blanket.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
You don't want to get it. You don't want to
get me. I'm a libertarian. You don't want to get
me with trucks. So you're not gonna like the answer.
But from a legal standpoint, I do believe it's unconstitutional. Moreover,
how do you prove somebody's an unlawful user? Up? Obviously
there could be evidence in the video checkers. Yeah, well,
the way they enforced it is convictions within the last
year or the last five years of its multiple convictions.
That's traditionally how they enforced it. Where do I think

(36:20):
it'll come down? I honestly don't know. You know, I
think marijuana needs to be descheduled, to be quite frank
with you, and I think that will resolve a huge
majority of this. You know, do I want somebody that's
out there methanthenamines holding a gun? Of course not, of
course I don't. But you know, again, I don't want
to get into politics.

Speaker 1 (36:37):
I mean, in what we're seeing a little bit too,
is that that the users of marijuana, and this is
a blanket statement, but the users tend to treat it
like they're smoking cigarettes. So I'll see it when I'm
out there in this in law enforcement, that they're going
down the street smoking it. Yeah, I got my gun on.
I'm just smoking just like I'm sooking a cigarette, not
treating it like they're drinking a beer going down the street.

(36:59):
So that whole thing about under the influence that you know,
we're into that a little bit.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
About alcohols much more dangerous with the form than smoking marijuana,
and people do that all the time, right, all the time,
for as long as we've all been alive. People have
drank beer and shotguns. Right, So I don't think marijuana
is any more dangerous than that. It can be on
any type of intoxic can be. But there is some accountability,
some individual ownership of your response, your natural responsibilities. American

(37:24):
citizens exercise that right like any other right, and we
have to let people make their own mistakes, and we
have to punish them if they make the mistake, Right,
why try to punish them before the mistake is made?
In my mind, but where do I think it'll come down.
I think the court and I think it's Oklahoma that
said it was unconstitutional. I believe that they are correct
in that analysis, and especially if you apply the brewin decision,
I think that that is how it should come out.

Speaker 3 (37:45):
Yeah, well, there are several states, are several circuits that
have said it's an individual basis. You just can't blanket
say hey, right, you know it's on the form. You
can't possess, you can't hold it, you can't have it
in your house. And they said we have to look
at it on a case by case basis, which is
that would take everything off just like you're saying. But
I think that was an over you know, an overstep

(38:07):
on the government. When that happened, I was kind of
shocked because of what over half the states in the
nation now either have medicinal or recreational right. Uh, and
you know, what are you gonna do with that? In
a lot of the circuit quarters, they're probably smoking. Why
they're making this decision. I mean, I don't know, But can.

Speaker 1 (38:24):
You hang with us for another minute, right, We'll get
come to a quick break and we come back. We'll
finish up our discussion with derektor Bross of Munitions Long Loop.
We'll talk at broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD
Fires Range. We'll be back after the short break. Welcome
back to on Target. I mean it's Derek Joint to
the LPD studio, got JC to my left, I got

(38:46):
my good friend Derector Bross my right. We got a
live studio audience out there. And you know what else,
I'm gonna start writing this in JC.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
We have we do.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
You know, if you're not watching it on face book
in YouTube, you should because it's the comment off the
air sometime that make the show it does.

Speaker 3 (39:07):
Yes, she's a big part of that.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, there you go. Guys are talking to our good
friend Derek de Bros Munitions Law Group, talking a little
bit about gun laws, what's changing and so forth. There
kind of off topic and stuff. We're seeing a lot
of with the assassination last week of Charlie Kirk, we're
seeing a lot of talk chatter. Now my first Amendment
right to say whatever the heck I want. We hear

(39:29):
this guy running for attorney general in Ohio.

Speaker 2 (39:31):
Did you see that? Yeah, I mean.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Coming out and certainly his right he wants to say
that his right, but I have to keep reminding myself
on the air. Ella has the bunch on the backside.
But I mean, obviously stuff that we wouldn't say, but
it is their right to say it. Talk for a second,
the First Amendment protects the right of speech from the

(39:54):
government and it's not an employer. I mean, if someone
of one of our employees does up binger says something,
I got a right to let him go if it
doesn't mean sure, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
And I'm no expert on this right. You know, there
could be some issues with the government firing people from
government jobs that there could be some issues. Okay, out
of the military, but when you're fired from ABC News
just saying something you're employed didn't like, Oh well, like
that's fine. And in most states their right to work states,
they can do that as long as they're not discriminating
you based on race, creed, ethnicity, religion and all that stuff. Right,

(40:25):
So when people get up there, especially these people that
have a platform like these Hollywood people and saying, oh,
Jimmy Kimmel was fired because he was exercising his right
to free speech. He was exercising his right of free speech.
So that's not why he was fired, right, fired because
he said something is employed didn't like in a story.
It's not a fat speech issue. It bingo.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
And that's what I was getting at because so many
people who don't know will go back on, Hey, it's
free speech, I can say anything I want.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
That's not how it works. It's absolutely not how you
can't go to movie theater. Y'll fire, right, it's there
is limitations to it. Like they like to say there's
limitations to the Second Amendment. Well, guess what, there's limitations
to the First Amendment as well. Right. And the other
thing that's been coming up since the Charliekirks shooting is
is this notion that we need more gun control because
these are weapons of murder and war. It was a
it's the simplest gun that exists in the world, right,

(41:11):
next two or like I guess a lever action or
revolver like it's a bolt action rifle. Like it's not.
It's not an AR fifteen, it's not a machine gun.
And they're still out there trying to push this narrative
that's just completely wrong and so transparent.

Speaker 1 (41:24):
Yeah, it's crazy, Jase, And speaking of that, and we
have about a minute something came down this week that
we were a little uneasy about.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
May uneasy about it. I mean, this was the director
of the FBI, who also at the same time was
a director of the ATF Tough roarly So cash matell
the the Senate Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, you know, had
this wide ranging oversight hearing, and he was he was
there to be lambasted by most of the Democrats. The

(41:52):
senator from Democrat from Minnesota, Amy Colbacker, brought up the
fact of this Annunciation school shooting and the Charlie Kirk assassination,
and during her questioning, she advocated for either the outright
ban of assault weapons, which didn't find but we all
know what that means for the Democrats. And she also

(42:14):
are raising the age of gun ownership till like twenty
five years old.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
This is what she and so.

Speaker 3 (42:19):
But his response, he responded that he is open to
discussing any idea that could save even a single life,
and he said he would be happy to work with
Congress on potential gun restrictions and even said, I mean
this was you can watch it on TV. He agreed

(42:41):
that the assault weapons ban, which commonly tumbrick the popular
rifles that we all have could stop some killings and
prevent future attacks in some cases. But he declined to
endorse the legislation, but he was out there saying he'd
be happy to work with restrictions, and just you know,
they didn't. He didn't give any details. But this was

(43:04):
a This was a big deal to have our director
of FBI saying, oh, I could just save one life. Yeah, restrictions, Yeah,
I could save some lives. Maybe we should take a
look at this. At the same time, we're arguing with
the DOJ. So now I like that because Second Amendment,
it's a civil right. And so now they've assigned an
assistant AGH to actually give oral arguments in two different cases,

(43:28):
and those are the banning of by New Jersey in
Massachusetts of MSR. So yeah, so anyway, speak it's a
little concern.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It's crazy, guys. Thanks for being the hour with us.
Thank you so much for Kate Seaffert for calling in,
our good friend Derek de bros for sitting with us.
Next week, next week we have George Williams is gonna
call in. He wrote an article recently that it was
just really good about there out there about protecting yourself
when you're out in public. We're gonna get that. And then, guys,
one month from now. We got confirmation this week, mister

(44:00):
Zach Klein, City Prosecutor is going to sit here with
us and talk about gun control. So we'll see how
that goes. October twenty fifth, have a safe houlot or
have a safe weekend, and we'll see you back here
in a couple of weeks.