What else you need to carry when you're carrying a firearm

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Wearing a firearm out the door is the easiest part
of carrying a fire firearm. Training and familiarity with the
firearm is of utmost importance, but also important is knowing
what else you need to carry when you walk out
the door. Today we talk through some of those other
items you need to have with you every time you
leave the house, and some of them may just surprise you.

(00:23):
ONTARGEO with Eric and JC is next. Good afternoon, Welcome
to do on Target. We're broadcasting live from the studios
of LAPT Firearms Arrange and Training Facility located at nine
ninety nine Bethel Road. It is JC and I today
and the live studio audi. Wow. Jc's that standing room only?

(00:45):
That I mean? I see a couple of people standing.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Remember sitting in the corner only Yeah, I don't know
which one.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
So good to have you here.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
Always say it's better to be seen and who knows
how long that's gonna last.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yes, that's right, So good to have you here. Excited
about the show today and I got a lot of
stuff to cover. So guys, we're the owners of LUPD
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Our commitment, though, has always been to bring you the

(01:20):
facts about our industry and help listeners and customers was
safe responsible ownership of firearm? Today on the show, Jase, Well,
first of all, did you get to hear the show
last week?

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Jesse? I started too, and then it was interrupted, So
Okayogue I heard that.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Well, well, I mean last week we went and kind
of did a review of some old monologues, kind of
really brought back some memories of some things good to
keep the top of mind and to not forget. I'll
tell you one of the favorites, and this week I
got reminded of it again. One of the favorites is
this civilian clown board that they have in Columbus where
they where they they held an officer to to some

(02:00):
sustained complaint because he harassed an African American kid, except
the kid was white. I mean, little fact, jac it's
just a little.

Speaker 2 (02:09):
But an African American kid.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
So that's probably probably did. But you know, along that
same lines, I mean, that's Civilian Review Board. It has
been a joke. It has been an embarrassment to the
police department. You look, in recent times, they've suggested that
officers wear body cameras off duty, off duty, off duty, Yeah,
I'll do that, JC. When they put one on Ginther.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 1 (02:34):
I will guarantee I will wear it twenty four hours
a day as long as that man does the two.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
We'll see how that goes.

Speaker 1 (02:42):
And here's the other thing to j C. They had,
let's see, all they wanted officers to apologize to people
when they were mean to them. That, yeah, I mean,
because everyone's super nice to us, So we do that.
And then this week this, this is fresh, JAC, this
is fresh. They had one of the members, I don't

(03:02):
even know what you call him arguing that the officers
don't have a right to search a car if they
smell burnt marijuana. And we all know as officers that
is legally a right that we can that is supported
by the courts. Yet this person who is judging officers
had no flipping clue. Talk about training, I think the

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Civilian Review Board needs to do a little continuing education training,
like a lot.

Speaker 2 (03:28):
It's just really crazy who's they put on there? It's
just if you hate the police, Hey, raise your hand
and we'll see if we can put you on.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Well, we talked about it last week too, JAYC the guy,
and actually we didn't get to this monologue, but this
is one of the ones that infuriates me the most.
The guy who murdered an NYPD officer in the eighties
murdered him. It was a boxed robbery execution style. The
guy didn't have to shoot and kill this off duty officer,
walked up to him and stood over top of him
and killed him. Got out of prison a couple of

(03:57):
years ago and now sits on the civil million Review
board in that town.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
So think about that, folks. I mean, you know you
should be writing letters screaming this. Yep, you're taxed off
and they're getting paid. I mean, this isn't like a bomb, right, Yeah,
they're paid to come in and be Now, you got.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Me all fired up. We're only seven minutes in the
darn show. Anyway, JC, we're gonna get some news here shortly.
Some we're going to kind of go through a little
bit more in detail. We touched upon it the last
couple of weeks, but the whole NFA. Uh, the NFA
and what has gone on with that? Some really good
stuff coming down the piper and that JC has some
sick news as well. And then at twelve thirty twelve thirty,
we're we're gonna provoke some thought there, JC. We are

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going to talk about what else is important to carry
with you when you walk out the door with your firearm.
And it seems obvious, oh, I need to put an
extra mag in my pocket, but there's so much more.
And you can go crazy as well, but there's certain
things you should think about. And I guarantee you some
of these you probably didn't think about it because we
hadn't until you know, it had been suggested.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
To start looking at what you really do carry exactly.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
We'd like to think our sponsors, US law Shield saw
them in here today, great great company, Jackson, Egress Windows,
black Wing Shooting Centers, rivers Edge, Coulery on with us
a couple of weeks ago. And I also want to
give a shout out. The NRA has a table up
there today too. I don't know if you saw that, JC,
I don't know if you saw them walking. Yeah, our
good friends over there and they have been doing some
wonderful work. We'll touch upon that here shortly. With these

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suppressors joining me today in these studios, I got JC,
who needs anything else? I got JC sitting here to
my left, Jase. One thing, and I don't know if
I mentioned this too or not. One guest. And I
hate to talk about future shows when we have on
in front of us, But one guest that that claims
he's going to come on with us is a Senator
o Hio, Senator Craig. Now you might recognize the name

(05:48):
because he proposed some gun laws this week after one
of these house party shootings in Columbus. We need more
gun reform, and some of this stuff wasn't all that bad.
So we reached out to his office and they agreed
at this point for having him come on the show
have a nice little discussion, and I told him I

(06:08):
saw it was good. We're not gonna agree with some stuff,
but there's some stuff we might agree, so let's let's talk.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Always been hospitable to the autuation. I know we've had
people on here before who you know, we're worried a
little bit about coming on, and we're you know, we
just want to hear their side.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Too, absolutely and talk talk facts about it. And of
course we also have Ella back there pushing the buttons
and making everything happen. Thank you so much, Al for
all you do, and I know you don't uh, we
don't get talked about you very much. If you miss
a show, catch to podcast at six ten, w TV
dot com, iHeartRadio. It's on Spotify, speaker, Facebook, YouTube, really

(06:41):
any place you get your podcasts. We are out there JC.

Speaker 2 (06:44):
What news you got, there's there's surprisingly, you know, a
lot of stuff going on. But uh, one thing that
we've had a lot of interest in, and we've talked
about this before somewhat at length, but it finally got
signed in maybe not the way that that a lot
of people like, but the big beautiful bill that our
president signed on the fourth of July Independence Day had

(07:07):
an effect on the NFA so that that's the National
Firearms Act. But as soon as it was signed, matter
of fact, just a day or so afterwards. The Gun
Owners of America, a coalition of other gun rights advocates,
believe that the new changes you step in the right direction,
but they think that it makes the nf A law

(07:29):
more vulnerable to legal challenges as to why do we
have that at all. So this is very very interesting.
So you know, the roundabout was they tried to get
everything in, you know, go back very briefly. They tried
to everyone just going hey, we're going to put this in.
It's going to remove all the short bail rifles, shotguns

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and any other arms from an NFA and get rid
of the whole ball of wax. Well, in rushing it through,
they had to go through a committee that it just
looks at financialual issues. And they have a parliamentarian which
is a single person. That's what they've always had, and
she is her job is to make sure that other
stuff doesn't get sneaked or snuck into the bills that

(08:13):
have nothing to do with finances. So they put this
the NFA item, which we were hoping would all go
through and that would all go away, and he goes, well,
the two hundred dollar part is people may or may
not remember that for every item that you buy that's
covered under the National Firearms Act, after you pass a
background check, but even before you do that, you have

(08:34):
to take two hundred bucks from even look at it
and adjust it, and you actually get a tax stamp
on an envelope two hundred dollars for each item. This
would be suppressors, which seems to be a real hot
topic right now when you look at the coalition. So
and they said, so we have that, and they tried
to sneak everything in. Let's get rid of all this.
And they said, well, well, well, I'll go ahead with
the with the two hundred dollars part because that's financial,

(08:57):
but I'm not touching the rest of if you want
to legislate what goes in in the NFA and not.
But we'll slash So that's what the big beautiful bill did.
It slashed the two hundred dollars tax down to zero dollars,
and that's important. It didn't say we'll just get rid
of it. They said we'll slash it down to zero dollars.

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So once that happened, the Gun Owners of America and
the coalition, by the way, included the Silencer Shop Foundation,
Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition, B and T, which is at
Bruger and Tomette, which is a huge suppressor company out
of Sweden, of the Claronzco Palmeto State Armory, which is
now starting to make suppressors. Gun Owners Foundation. They all

(09:38):
filed with the Fifth Circuit Court just days after the
Fourth so this is really really recent. So what they
argue is the fact that the tax is now down
to zero dollars, Then that really underpins the how the
NFA was actually formulated, because it was formulators of tax

(10:02):
law and that is the basis. And if there's no
let's face it, Hey, if there's no money, then there's
no no nothing there. Then really you should dissolve the
NFA because it was based on taxes.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
And you made a great point. And I was talking
to our friends of the NRA this morning and he
brought up he said it perfectly well and I'm probably
not going to say it as eloquently, but he was
saying that when this was put into place, the registration
was put into place to monitor the tax part of it,
and then later on it was reinforced that they cannot
have a registration of guns. So in theory, the registration

(10:38):
is solely there to monitor the tax. Oh, look, there's no.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
Tax, and that's what they're that's what they're saying, that
the Firearms Actor is premised on Congress's taxing power. Well,
if there's no money, really there is no tax. But
remember they didn't say get rid of it. They said
let's put zero dollars tax on it, and that could
be a bug of So basically, you know, as you

(11:03):
can tell silence or suppressors, because that's really what they are,
not silence anything. But that's a really really big industry.
We've talked about that before. Where it's gone, you know, fiftyfold,
I mean from what it used to be. It's it's
easy to get. It's back by the Hearing Protection Act,
all this stuff, and they want to be able to
sell it because it's not a firearm. It's something that
goes on the end. And you should be able to

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come into any gun store that sells out fill out
you know, the regular form if you will have the
checks done. But if you can go in and buy
a firearm and walk out the door with that same check,
you should be able to buy the little tube.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
And Jason's you make it a good point. And I
did some research again last night. I cannot find any
discernible difference between the check that is done at our
store for a gun and the check that is done
under NFA. You have to send them fingerprints because they
put it with it and they register it and so forth.
You have to send in your picture. But I cannot
find anything that says, hey, look, it's a more in

(11:59):
depth check. I mean, the check is the check the check.
So there's no I don't think you can, you know,
say that. Hell, it's it's a deeper dive into your background,
because why wouldn't you do that for buying a firearm.
This is not even a fire arm, right.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
So fire it's a two. And as the point that
you brought up is also what I was gonna you know,
talk about here, which is basically the bigaboo, the bugaboo
that the sticking point is is that anyone looking to
buy any of those items still have to prove that
they paid zero dollars by handing over their fingerprints, their
pictures of themselves, pictures of the gun, and all that

(12:33):
information to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms and Explosives.
And that's the sticking point. Now you mentioned the NIRA
because we talked the other you know night about this.
You thought they were part of it. Well, actually this
one just got filed right away, so it says not
only this is not the only lawsuit the National Rifle Association,
along with the Second Amendment Foundation, the American Suppressor Association,

(12:55):
the fire Arms Policy Coalition promised to bring their own suit.
I think they're looking to see if we can attack
it from a couple of different angles. They're looking to
see how this is starting to play out, and then
maybe they can file suit in a in a different area,
kind of hit them two sides. Ideally, the goal was
to be able to, you know, buy these items with
regular firearm shucks, just like we do with everything. But

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you know, we'll wait and see. Now, the bad news
is is that you know, they they did an analysis
with with other folks who just aren't anti gun. They're
just saying, look, that's why they left the zero dollars
and it is still a tax that could be raised
by Congress. So they didn't eliminate it or it doesn't
exist anymore. They saying, well, we may want to adjust it.

(13:37):
Maybe it's should be five thousand. I mean, who knows
what that could be down the line, but they did
leave that in so and then the biggest thing, which
I was surprised was they said, why do they have
grounds to suit? They haven't proved that they have actually
grounds to sue the DOJ and the atf Uh you

(13:58):
know what, what what's their standing, how that work could
be affected, What's what's the what's the negativity coming here
outside of them? Well, i'd buy one if we didn't
have it, but right, yeah, So anyway, that's got to
play out.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
And one last thing about the suppresses before we hit
the break here is that this goes into effect January first.

Speaker 2 (14:13):
January.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
So a lot of people are saying, hey, what is
it going to kill the suppression market between now and then,
because the suppressure market has exploded with how quick we're
getting back the paperwork. What we're starting to see some
of the big manufacturers are saying, hey, look, between now
and then, we will cover the two hundred dollars tax stamp,
you know, and they're looking at I'm sure their business saying, geez,
we're going to be on hold here for six months.

(14:35):
We need to do something to keep them moving. So
we're we anticipate more and more. That's what's going to happen.
That's a good point to January first, But on sword barel,
rifles and so forth, we have not seen that same thing.
So guys, let' jump to a break. On the other side,
we're going to talk about that a little bit more,
to talk about Remington. JC haven't talked about Rommington for
a minute. And SIGG we're on talk It broadcasting live

(14:57):
from the studios of LAPD Firearms Arrange. We'll we'll be
back after the break. So GC. You know, Ella and
I talked before the show, and you know what, Yes,
I'll tell her a song to play, right, Yeah, hey,
tell her a song to play. I don't hear it. Ella,
you have anything to say.

Speaker 3 (15:15):
You know that you Eric and all you folks over
there are big believers in following the law.

Speaker 1 (15:24):
Right, That is true. That is true.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
You're very law abiding citizens.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Are you saying I asked you to do something outside
the law?

Speaker 3 (15:33):
So when I tell you repeatedly the laws of my
land over here that if the song is not in
the system and I didn't create these laws, these laws
were handed down generation after generation by the people who
govern this land over here that I'm in. Yes, and uh,
you know, I know you wouldn't want me to break

(15:54):
the law for you.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
That is true. Did you buy chance go out there
and listen to that what I sent you? No, I
didn't even.

Speaker 3 (16:01):
Listen, I do have other things to do.

Speaker 1 (16:04):
Okay, Well, sometime tonight when you're just you know, sitting
around that the and this is, you'll be fascinated with
this too. Well. The song choice today that I was
hoping for was by a band called The Velvet Sundown.
Is anyone heard of them?

Speaker 3 (16:17):
All that stop right there? No, we don't have it.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Wait so you're saying you don't have their hit song
dust on the Wind. No, So if you seriously go
out there and google the band Velvet Sundown. This week
it came out. Now they have millions of followers on Spotify.
I think that that's word and stuff, millions of followers.
And this song, it's a good song. It's a decent song.

(16:44):
It's kind of sixties seventies esk it. I mean, it
has good vocals. But it came out this week that
the entire band, the entire album is a facade in
all AI generated. Oh well, that's kind.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
Of glad that I didn't play it.

Speaker 2 (17:00):
Willie Minilly is that the that was literally.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah, but it's fascinating because it's good stuff. And they
said the whole thing is it's fake.

Speaker 3 (17:10):
Now I'm really also glad that I didn't click on
your link. I'm not even giving out of you.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
I say it was on It was on YouTube, so
the link boys. But no, Still, it is scary.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
What is happening with this?

Speaker 1 (17:21):
It is scary. It's I mean, I'm not even sure
we're talking to Ella? Ella?

Speaker 2 (17:25):
Is that you?

Speaker 3 (17:27):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (17:28):
Now, I LA. I appreciate you keeping us uh in
line there and stuff. So I appreciate no AI over here, ever,
no AI? Okay, So guys, so, so where will we digress? John?
We often digress? Talk about there? You got to talk
about sick. Talk about what happened with SIG this week? Well,

(17:49):
it's it's.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
It's it's amazing how we've talked about what We've had
twenty stories on this, I'm certain about saying and the
the uh infamous P three twenty. Well, guess what this
week as in Monday a FBI report on six hours
uncommanded discharge. They don't use that accidental discharge now, it's

(18:10):
an uncommanded discharge anyway, it has now gone public and
this was released on Monday. So the FBI's Bureau of Research,
it's a part of me. The FBI's Ballistic Research Facility
was given a gun by the Michigan State Police for
examination because they had an uncommanded discharge by one of

(18:33):
their officers a year ago, just in July of twenty four.
And the gun was an M eighteen, which is just
a kind of the military version of the police buy
a lot of this, which but if you look at it,
you and I be going, hey, there's a three, which
it is. So anyway, they really took an in depth
look at it. They tore it all apart, actually cut

(18:56):
sections off of it so they could videotape it and
you know, firing and and it's out there on YouTube,
this whole thing that they did. And then they gave
their report on Monday, the results of the August twenty
fourth incident, and the report was inconclusive. So it's inconclusive,
so I go hot off the press. The FBI said,

(19:19):
I don't know, but anyway, they said it was inconclusive.
So as we know, many many lawsuits have been filed
over this, so much so that the state of Vermont
has forbidden lawsuits from outside the state to come into
them right now to protect to protect the largest one
of the largest industries in Vermont. So anyway, there have

(19:41):
been I had I to do research on this, and
I should have known this, And what I didn't know
is they haven't. I knew they had a voluntary upgrade
program and we've talked about it. I didn't know exactly
what it entailed when it started, and it started on
the eighth of August of twenty seventeen, when all of
this stuff started coming the head and then I saw

(20:01):
I asked, I said, okay, so here it is and
what's being done and the voluntary and if you have
a gun that was made prior to that date, you
can send it in for free and they will upgrade it.
And the upgrades include a lighter trigger, a noticey lighter
looks like pencil thin compared to the original one. They
put in a new disconnector and so it won't fire

(20:24):
when it's not in battery. They have an optional flat
trigger that some people are getting and some people aren't.
But it's the seer block trigger assembly that is the
is the big deal. What I didn't know is they
claim that ever since twenty seventeen, all the new ones
have these upgrades. Oh wow, you look online and you
have people here's what I sent in, and I have

(20:45):
two of these. I kept one and I sent one
in and you can actually see what they do because
they do drive outs under the side and they do
and they cut away things that they think don't lean there,
and then they put in an extra But so then
I said, okay, wow, they've been doing this since then,
so you know, then, why are we still having these?
So I said, how many have been how many of
the upgraded guns are the new guns have they had

(21:07):
problems with? And thiswer is a.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Heck of a lot.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
I mean there's been a lot of the dischargers. So
they do say if you want to set it in,
if you have a gun before that date manufactured, that
you've got to buy serial number. It's before the August
eighth of twenty seventeen. The users who have this experience,
as they said, we have improved accuracy. So maybe it's
just due to the lighter trigger pull from the lighter

(21:31):
weight the trigger field. They said, it might feel similar,
but the other one said, that's a noticeably less crisp reset.
But they have improved accuracy and the safety enhancing is
supposed to happen. The safety enhancing focused on dropping the guns,
so it exceeds all the military NATO requirements and everything else.
They raised that, but they're still having these disc dischargers

(21:54):
are still out there. So now here's the thing that
surprised me real quickly. Do you think that stuff's out there?
But apparently the public is not that much aware of it,
because you know why, the debate on whether or not
if we called or whatever's running out of steam. It
doesn't seem to have gained widespread traction with handgun buyers.
Sales of the P three twenty during the first half

(22:14):
of twenty twenty five have outperformed most other guns on
guns dot com. So they talked about that, and one
of the biggest dealers out there, it's Richard Sprague of
Sprague Sports, said that his the P three twenty models
sales are up fifty nine percent in twenty five compared

(22:36):
to last year. And he said in a lot of
their customers, he said, are our border patrol agents and
military folks. And they said while some states have said no, no,
Minnesota got rid of several states have gotten rid of
what they said for most of the people they were
looking at and going, well, let's just keep the thing.
So I don't know, but.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
That's where we certainly haven't seen that here, but maybe
it's just our marketing years interesting though, Jase, let's up
to the bottom of ironies. We come back on the
other side're gonna talk about the gun of the week,
a couple other little things, uh, and then get to
what else you need to carry with your conceal carry firearm.
Wan broadcasting live from the studios of LAPD Farms Range.
We'll be back after the break. Welcome back ton Target.

(23:15):
Shortly we are going to get to I should probably say,
I'm Eric and I have JC with me. Hey, here
we are. Shortly we're going to get to some of
the other things that you should consider when walking out
the door with that concealed carry firearm. But jac you
know what I had, you know the story we did
before the break talking about SIG I do something that
rubs me wrong with that, you know, the whole uncommanded

(23:35):
discharge that that bugs me. That term bugs me about
as much as when you see the vagrant begging for
money that they're calling unhoused. I just I don't know owls.
I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, it's right. I guess
it's I guess it's.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
The igrants no longer legal immigrants. No longer aliens.

Speaker 1 (23:54):
It's just that.

Speaker 2 (23:54):
Yeah, then we just have these immigrants.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
That's right, that's right. So jac let's talk a little
bit about some guns of the week's stuff. Nothing that
is overly earth shattering, some of the kind of a
statement of some stuff we talked about before. But one
of the things, I think we mentioned this, but we
are now officially in point dealers and what that means
that totally opens up the product line for civilians anyone
who wants to use it. But it also gives us

(24:17):
the ability to offer them military law enforcement and first
refiner discount to their product line as well, which is
a big thing. And that's a lot of guys company.

Speaker 2 (24:27):
I mean, it is a it's the solid it is.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
We had to go through Sweden to get blessed for
in order to get to become a.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Dealer on the street. But but you're but you're right.
I mean everybody maybe you know Trichacon, but the rm
R and all that and and they're and they're a cogs.
So I have not determined a while, but that seemed
to have the online the limelight. But this also and
when you're looking right, all the things they put this
up there equal with it with the PRO. So the

(24:57):
in point pro is what the military uses also, and so.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
JC, just for the sake of argument, put that on
the peg because I know Facebook's gonna yell at us
for holding it.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
It was floating away because it's so lightweight, and I
was keeping it.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
So what we have up here on the desk is
one of the Block nineteen cohah's they call them, but
has comes with the aim point on them. It's a
little bit different name point. It's not one that you
can buy off the shelves. It's meant for this gun.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Meant for this.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
It is a phenomenal setup. It's a at a good
price for what you get. And we have them, which
we haven't had them. I mean they've been the thing
that has been tough to get out there. But we
do have them now. So if you've been looking for them,
they're here.

Speaker 2 (25:39):
And it's in points most advanced red dot that they
have and they partnered with Block. This is actually it's combo.
It uses a I called a shoehorn, but they call
it the A. They actually have an undercut in the slide.
So if your firerum doesn't have that, which you wouldn't
have that, but it actually the nose fits down in

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and then when it tightens from the back, it just
like it shoehorns it on, so it does not move
at all. Uh. And it's only really available on this
this combo is available on the Glock. So Glock liked
it enough that they said, no, this is what we
want to go with. It's an incredibly rugged, reliable site
with all the updates and uh, it's UH in.

Speaker 1 (26:21):
The ninth grade of course, being one of the still
the one of the most popular guys that we sell today.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
It's the most popular line. It's even five and it's
UH and that's the optic it would take. So when
it comes with it, so it's like, come to buy
a separate you buy.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
It right on the Yeah, and you could not buy
if you had a Glock nineteen pre prior to this,
you cannot buy this optic for it.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
And we went at this point.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
So yeah, so that's that's that is here we talked
about aim point. The other thing to JC is the
the firearm that's sitting on the counter here too is
kind of unique. It is a Mossberg and the shock
Wave came out number of years ago.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
The first one that everyone said, how can this be legal?
Because it looks like a very short barreled shotgun, But
because of the way it was designed and came from
the factory, the ATF looked at and said, well, it's
an other than firearm. They didn't call it really, you know.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
I think it's technically considered a firearm on the paper firearm, rightah,
but that's doesn't say what it is, but right, firearm.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
And basically most people look at and go, it's the
saw off shotgun. I mean, because you know that's where
it was. It was in a pump and its competition
at that time was Remington, who after they came out
with it. Then Remington says, hey we better you know,
better acting gear and start selling some of these, and
they came up with.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Attack what fourteen I think fourteen.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Which is a pump. Then he else came out at
the towards the end with the Attack thirteen. Well so
they came out with that first. But now Mosberg has
followed up the Shockwave with the Aftershock, which is their
semi automatic version. I was talking to the audience before,
but just so you know, I mean, it's based on
that five on ninety action which is what they use
their semi automatic action, and a lot of their competition

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guns are used by very very famous people out there
with the Mosburg so it's reliable. It is short. You
can get in twelve gauge and get a twenty gauge,
and it is a some automatic which absorbs about a
third of the recoil. And it's the real deal here,
and you can walk out the door with it, right.

Speaker 1 (28:14):
You don't have to, there's.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
No you get a background check, pay the cat, pay
the money and.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
At the door. Now, jac you did mention Remington and
they have been absent on our shells for a year
and a half. And I think I mentioned this a
couple of weeks ago, but I had an opportunity to
go to a vendor show and spoke to them, and
they had all these nice new eight seventies and I'm like, guys,
where have these been? Well, apparently in the process of
moving to their new plant from Ilion.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Right in which they have been for over two years.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
They are they are very very close to being back
up and running and they're taking orders again real so
look for those that soon hit the shells. They were
very excited about it.

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Tell you, there's a lot of people are still looking
for those eight seventies around right, you have to go
to the use mark.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
They certainly lost market shared these last couple of years.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
And they've been broken up. Some of their fire arm
right with the places, and some of their their moo
is now by somebody else. But they're making the guns and.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
They are making the gun again. So JJ, let's jump
to an early break because we come back on the
other side. We're going to talk about what else you
need to carry when you're carrying a firearm work Target
broadcasting live from the studios of LPD fires Arranged. We'll
be back after the break. And we were kicked off
of YouTube.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
What I wasn't really holding it.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
Welcome to our daily life here at LAPD and the
Anti Anti Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
I could have just done this in the future.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, yep, yep. Welcome back on Target. I'm your host
Eric joined today in the LAPD studios. It is JC
and I guys, this next segment I'm super excited about.
You know, we all we all know how to pick
out the right holster, pick out the right gun, and
walk out the door carrying our concealed h firearm and stuff.
But today today we're going to talk about some the

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other things you should consider, you know, when you walk
out there and you're looking to protect yourself against the
bad guy, or maybe maybe the bad guy is just
a guy having a down on his luck that day
and just having a bad day. Maybe it's the the
unhoused person, you know, begging for money on meth at
the corner, who comes up to your car. Not everything

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warrants pulling out a firearm, so we all need to.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
Do our part.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
And part of that, part of that, that obligation to
carrying a firearm is knowing what else to carry and
how to handle yourself in some of those circumstances that
don't warrant having a firearm out. So we're gonna talk
about that today. Some of them are a statement of obvious,
but some of them you might just be surprised.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Oh absolutely, They're just all sorts of little And the
more guys you talk to, officers you talk to who
are off duty, you know, and they're and they're mufty
and out there, you know, what do they carry? What
do you experience people carrying?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
And it will vary. I mean for me personally, it's
different tiers. If I could in an ideal world, and
you know I was, you know, had everything at my fingertips.
I would put my duty belt on, right, it has everything?

Speaker 2 (31:07):
I got nothing like twenty six pounds.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yes, I would walk out the door. But that's not
always the case in this summertime. Or you know, what
would I carry going to UDF at ten o'clock for
that peanut butter milkshake is different that I carry when
I'm going to Easton?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
You know?

Speaker 1 (31:20):
So it does it does vary?

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Yeah, it does, I mean take I mean it does.
It's the same. I agree with you.

Speaker 1 (31:28):
So one of the things JC, I mean obviously a
statement of the obvious is extra magazines, extra ammunition, and
that is something. And why would I carry Why would
I carry an extra magazine in my pucket?

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Well, I mean, anything can happen with the magazine. I
think we all know. It's one of the most fragile
of all people. Don't think about a drop magazine. I
had one. I dropped if one function fined, I dropped
it on a carpeting area, been bounced over. Yeah, no bid,
it never worked again. I mean I was micro, I'm
bending that had to end up ditching it. So magazines

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are expendable, so you want to carry and you want
to carry an extra one in case something goes wrong
with yours. Another reason to carry it, depending on what
you're you're doing with is you can carry different types
of AMMO. If that's something uh you know that you
that you need. I can revolver. There's something that takes
shotgun shells as long with uh with forty five, So
why why not you need to yees, slip a.

Speaker 1 (32:20):
Run in your pocket is easy. They're small, and if
you're carrying a revolver, these stripper clips are super easy.
The little rubbery clips aren't super easy to care flats.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
A lot of people don't want to carry the round
cylinder right in their pocket, and those are fast and
easy to load too at a time, and you can, and.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
So it's definitely you should consider you're not going to
regret having Yeah, yeah, I have.

Speaker 2 (32:42):
To carry one because the the you know magazine I
have because it's an old, reliable gun I like, but
you know it's eight seven plus one eight rounds and
you know, you just don't know anymore. If I had
a seventeen rounder, may go, yeah, maybe I'll forgive it
this day. That's a lot of round. But so it
depends on what you're carrying.

Speaker 1 (32:58):
So that one, that one's pretty simple. How about a knife,
jac do you go anywhere without a knife.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
I don't go anywhere without two knives because I always
carry my boy scout knife. I mean, you know, you
know it's got scissors. I probably use the toothpick and
the the others, but you know you need to have,
you know, a knife, and you know when I'm you know,
when I'm going out and you know, for dinner, I
may carry something a little bit smaller, but you know,
like for the just there's no blade length in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
So a lot of people have this ald.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Hey, if it's three natures, you get in trouble. No
anything will get you in trouble if you use it
as a weapon. So if you have one is blade
and you go around cooking people, that's not like you know,
you'll get it. But there's so you can have any
length that you can carry and if you want to carry, uh,
we hope we have some great ones over those TDI
knives with a little kind of a pistol grip, easy
to conceal, but but and there usable.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
If you're like me, it's probably going to be used
to opening a box the majority of a time. But
but a couple of things. I mean a lot of
these knyves now mine included has the window break, so
I think there's a little Swiss army knife. Jac.

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Hey, there you go.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
Oh you know, a window break something you don't think about,
but obviously the knife can be there for you. And
cutting a seatbelt. I use my knife this week. JC.
I'm gonna you're you're gonna, you're not gonna be able
to guess this one. I use it to cut an
air bag. You come up to an accident scene, the
air bags deployed. Now the data ploy everywhere. They're left right,

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every left, front. You can't even see inside the car,
so sometimes you have to use a knife to cut
through the air bag. So I mean stuff like that
you don't see. You you won't regret carrying a pocket
knife with you.

Speaker 2 (34:33):
No, And I actually what you said, because we have
some ones they're so reasonable, like thirty nine bucks or
something like that, and they actually have a window breaker
on the end. So if you get trapped in a car,
you need to get out of there somehow. And uh,
you know, there's unfortunate lot of fires that happened after accidents,
and you need to be able to get out, and
you need to be able to cut your seat belt,
and we just have these real simple ones.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
That you don't have to break.

Speaker 2 (34:54):
The bank I carry. Every vehicle I have has got
one of those in it so I can reach you know.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
The other thing and something else you may or may
not think of as a flashlight. Now, obviously you don't
need it during the noon on a Saturday. But if
it's going to be in a place where it's going
to get dark at some point, a flashlight is a
good thing. Or if you're going to someplace that maybe
is inherently dark a movie theater. Now, granted the flashlight
might be used to find the kid's iPhone between the seats,

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but having that flashlight.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Is you're carrying into movie theaters, right, is that what
I do?

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, they're so small now, they're so bright, they don't
take up a lot of room. There's no reason to
have it. It can help you with navigation if you're
broken down alongside the road. There's so many times. The
other thing too, is a lot of these now strobe
and there's been more than one occasion where I've used
on duty this strobe and it's taking is taken the

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mind away from the bad guy for a moment. They're
focused on your strobe.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
And you can't refocus. So when you're right hit, you're focused.
But when it's strobes, you're just in a constant state.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Of I've had them more often them not say hey,
turn the flash slight down. Now they are totally off
track from what their intending was intended to do.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
It takes in pure darkness. I mean, it really takes
a long time to recover from that. Remember the old
days of the flashball is probably not the people out there,
I don't even remember those, but boy when those went
off also and you're walking around going whoa, well wait
a minute, I can't see for a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
So we can give you a tactical advantage.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
And they're inexpensive.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
They're inexpensive. One of my favorite ones. Some of the
old lights have a magnetic base to them, so that's
why you can put that on the side of the
car if you're having to fix a tire, or you
can put that strobe on sticking on the side of
the car to alert people that maybe you need assistance.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
And that's how it recharges too. You just I rolled
across the bedstand there and it just automatically rechargers itself.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
So JC, I got one for you that I know
most people are probably not even thinking about. And it
is probably the smallest thing that you can carry, really
should have. There should be no time when you don't
have this alongside your firearm. And that is a restraint.
And people think we're restrained. They don't want to carry handcuffs.
I don't carry handcuffs with me, but these three dollars

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little restraints. They are kind of the the new fangled
flex cuffs, and you might have an occasion. I always
have these with me on airplanes. How many times do
you see these videos and they're trying to restrain.

Speaker 2 (37:14):
I don't have quite enough. I'd like to have them in,
you know, each vehicle, and they make them for risk,
but they also make them for legs that are a
little bit bigger, so you need to and they're they're
cheap that you could roll everything up in your hand. Yeah,
if you have to throw it away because it looks
like a broken shoelaces.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
But they're really tough.

Speaker 2 (37:31):
I mean, they're not like you see all these things
about hey, you put the twist ties or or you
put the ties on and people go like that and
break them through. You don't do that way.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
And some of the agencies mandate their officers carry some
type of restraint with them when they're carrying off duty
and instead of carrying heavy handcuffs. These are perfect and
you never know when you might have to, you know,
assist in some type of restraining somebody. So it's super
easy and something you shouldn't walk out the door with
window punches JC. We talked about it on the end

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of the nights. It is essential to have some type
of a window punch. We got these things in the
other day. I don't know if you ever seen it
in JC. They're they're little, they're inexpensive. They're only ten
bucks if you're watching on YouTube. They have a seatbelt cutter.
But the other side is a spring loaded window punch.
So you're not banging on the window with the window punch.

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You simply press it against it and it's spring loaded
and it pops the window. So we do we have
these note Yeah, yeah, a lot of the officers carry
those there in their cars.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
I like that easy to see, and that spring loaded
does make a difference, so you don't have to keep.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Absolutely something else too that you know, now you're starting
to carry more things. But as you're looking, maybe you're
walking around the neighborhood, a collapsible baton or what they
call a kubaiton. They're they're you know, discrete, a lot
of times, they have a keychain on them. They don't
look very ominous, and they can be a great self
defense tool. The little batons can be great, you know,

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for animals if you're walking along and there is you know,
an animal of some sight. It's a little tiny, you know,
batonon that can expand to something a lot bigger.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Yeah that's the rabbit scrol size, I think.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
But rabbit squirrel, yes, yeah. So and let's say what
all mace you talk about less than lethal all options.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
And make sure you look at your expiration date on those,
because they do have them. And I went to look
at mine and going, now I've got some of these
I don't need any more. And I'm like, well, in
twenty sixteen, ooh, and that was not no, no, no,
we shouldn't be using that anymore. So but it's simple
and they're small and the small ones will get like
thirty shots out of them. And if you ever buy
one of these, I'm telling you take up old cardboard box,
pizza box, something standard distance, with the wind at your

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back not to your face, spray it and then just
to let you know, take your little finger or even
better out a piece of paper, touch what you sprayed,
and just get it close to your face. It gives
you a when you eyes start water and closing in,
you go, wow, this is really something good. They have
different patterns too, so you have to make sure it's
summer stream summer splatter. Some are are missed, but you
need to try it, and you need to buy them.

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They're cheat and they're really good.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
And jac you bring up a great point, you need
to try it. They're inexpensive by two of them. Try
it because if you experienced O C or mace, it
can be the deabilitating for those who've never had it
before or never been exposed to it before. And you
don't want in that time of need and you're spraying
the bag, you're going to get some back on you
with the winds. You don't want to have it be

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the first time, and you throw in the toup because
you don't know how to react right.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
And that's that's important. And the other thing I said
about testing, I'm like, oh, I don't want to test it,
don't want to waste it. Well, you get like twenty
to thirty one second bursts out of these, even the
smaller ones, so you know, test it. Make sure you know.
We did that quite a bit, and it does make
a difference because you're confidence too, going wow, if I
got sprayed with this and.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
You at least know, you know you can get through it,
what's going through the burnout? We talk about that quite
a bit, and that is a great option, you know,
sometimes in place of that firearm if you can't carry
the firearm, but certainly in your.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Carry right, I mean, it wastes like what it weighs
less than three quarters of a pound, you think about that,
less than less than three quarters of a pound, so
in the same size a little bit bigger than the
cell phone. So there's room for that someplace on you.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Something to jc Then this is we're starting to get
into carrying a lot. But sometimes maybe this stays in
the car. But a medical bag, I mean with a
simple tourniquet with some gods, that can stop a wound
of sorts and stuff. It is great to have some
type of a medical kit.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
A lot of people go, oh, great, sounds like you
need a backpack to correct yourself in the car. You
have this available. But the tourniquets that they have, you know,
they're one handed tourniquits. And there's something bad happens that
you do capen to catch one from somebody else, ricochet, whatever,
and it happens to hit you know, an arty or something.
You would need to stop that as soon as you can.
And they're small. The light waves been used in the
military for years and it's not that Oh if I

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leave it on, you can leave it on for half
an hour and still not lose your leg. I mean,
so that's what the Army has been fine, and when
you consider longer, actually.

Speaker 1 (41:55):
The medical stuff as well. One of the things, one
of my favorite things I used it this week is
some of these these medical scissors. Now it will cut
through clothing, seatbelts, airbags. Uh, it will cut a penny
in half. I heard someone here may have done it
with this particular one. I'm just saying, j C. Jac
there was a half a penny and then leave a

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penny jar at the jar. So I'm just saying, but
they're great, they're a great tool. We don't sell these here.
Rivers Edge sells them. They are wonderful and invaluable, but
it's another, you know, another thing to consider when you're
walking out the door. So we've talked about all these things.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
Jac talk about the coupaton, but we also sell the pens.
So we have the pens that you pull the cap off.
The other end is like a miniature cupiton. And these
are just they look like pens. Officers use them all
the time, but they're no bigger you just when you
pull off the end instead of having nothing there, there
is a sharp, rounded kind of point and that becomes
a real poke prod. It's just all these are things

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that you can carry day and and.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
You might think to yourself, where am I going to
put all this? There's all kinds of things you can
do if you can't wear it on you in your pockets.
The fanny packs are back finally. They you don't look
out of place anymore. They're small, but it allows you
to carry maybe that flashlight.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
Or cargo shorts. It's in the summer and you know,
you get something with a few pockets. These things are
really small. Look at these restraints again. This is the
small one, but I mean it rolls up like this.
That's how big it is. And you can have two
of those for leg and arms.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
Belly bands are great. Belly bands have so many different
pockets in them that you can carry your firearm, your
extra mags. You can carry a full set of handkus
if you want to. But you can carry all kinds
of stuff.

Speaker 2 (43:38):
And even if you carry anything, my wife calls up
my spanks, so I can just pull that on, tighten up,
puppy down and look good.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
Do you have one on?

Speaker 2 (43:46):
Carry everything? No? I don't have one.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Now, well you're looking good and kind of I didn't know.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
Oh no, I lost some weight, but other than that,
but I do have two of those. The mistake I
made was being touchical. I bought black and I can
only wear it under a black shirt, if you would
under anything like colored show, So get a get a
flesh colored one. They can carry everything. I mean, it's
really really good. They're inexpensive, they're comfortable.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
And a good belt too. I mean a good belt
is also essential to really so guys, guys, we are
out of time. Thanks for spending the hour. I don't
know where Jac's tewning like five minutes.

Speaker 2 (44:18):
Really, I still have another great story, but I have Well, we'll.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Be back next week, hoping to have a guest next
week that is going to be worth listening to. But
have a safe week. Thanks for being here, thanks for
the live studio audience, thanks to Ella Ella, and as always, guys,
as always, let's be careful out there.