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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I may not be the toughest guy on the block.
It's a line I heard so many times from my
father while growing up. I personally try and operate like
a snake depicted in one of my favorite colonial pictures
on the gats and Flag, you know, the coiled snake
with the insignia. Don't tread on me, Just going about
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my business. No aggression towards others, tolerant but once provoked,
who once provoked a bite.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That the enemy will not soon forget.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Two weeks ago, I got away with the family for
about a week of relaxation time. Nothing fancy, no elaborate beaches,
but basically working remotely and a climate with temperatures well
above the Ohio winters. It was Friday afternoon that week
and I was driving the family to dinner when I
received a call from a buddy in law enforcement specializing
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in anti terrorism. Hey, Eric, FBI just intercepted a social
media post where someone and is threatening to shoot up
a shooting range and they are pinging around nine nine
nine Bethel Road talk about going from zero to one
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hundred and seconds. I immediately called our team and told
them to implement our emergency plan. The guys quickly took
note of the customers in the store and then immediately
assigned an associate to watch each door. Customers probably knew
nothing was wrong, but our guys were definitely on high
alert for what appeared to be an impending threat. My
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next call was to our local police department, and they
wasted no time in sending cruisers to nine nine Bethel Road.
I started to make additional calls to determine who may
have posted such a heinous threat, and quickly found out
it was a bit worse than I initially thought. The
threat had been posted on social media and contained a
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picture taken from within our property from within the parking
lot of LAPD. The picture was of a sign that
hung on the side of the building, simply showing our
support for President Trump and our friend JD.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Vance.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The motive started to become clear. I began to review
security footage as my family went on to dinner without me.
I was looking for some vehicle or suspect identifier, but
the task was ominous two thousand miles away, working off
a cell phone and trying to identify the suspect. After
a short time, I received another call and learned that
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the post had actually been done a few days earlier,
and that the threat appeared to be no longer imminent
in nature. Soon I learned of the person's name and
time of the post, and actually saw the picture for myself.
Extremely scary, knowing their intentions and that they were on
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our premise. I was then able to pull the videos
and started to Heke's together how the whole thing played out,
how this female came to be on our property. I
saw that after pulling into our lot, she actually exited
the vehicle and attempted to go to a closed business
within our complex that had seemed to attract people on
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the left to far left side of the political spectrum
at the time. After seeing it was closed, she snapped
a picture from within her car and made the post
that put our employees in our local law enforcement on
high alert. Did she have the means to carry out
such a threat, We'll never know, but whether her post
is inspiring to others who do only time will tell.
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It's really a sad state when people have zero tolerance
for those who don't agree with them. Not only zero tolerance,
but willing to threaten serious physical harms simply because of
expressing an alternative view. This has to become unacceptable to
all of us. I certainly did and care for Kamala
or Biden or many others, but I never ever would
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advocate threatening those who did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
What kind of people think that this is okay?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It has to become outrageous to all sides for it
to get better. But I fear more of this is
to come. Where's the sand Today? We're still operating under
an elevated alert at the store, and as they say,
charges are pending on this lady who was so brave
behind her phone. We might not be the toughest guys
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on the block, but and other thug news, I am
happy to announce that we are in the process of
adding yet another person to the famous.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Wall of Shame.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's the wall that hangs proudly in our range lobby,
highlighting all the individuals felons, drug dealers, gun traffickers and
terrorists that have been arrested at our store or with
the help from our staff. I know it may be
too early for many of them to hear this show today,
but before warned, you will not come into our establishment
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intending to harm our staff for customers. You will not
come to LPD drunk or so high you can't walk
and think nothing will happen. You cannot use our range
to train your terrorist thugs, and certainly you can't be
a felon, a violent felon prohibited from owning, possessing, or
touching a fire on or ammunition and not think your
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visit will not turned out as planned. I guess this
week has just been one of those weeks where this
snake depicted on the.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Flag got stepped on.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But for those listening who are not our friends, our
wonderful customers, or our family, just remember, as Paul Paul
so famously says, we may not be the toughest guys
on the block, but the tough guys don't f with
us on Target.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
It's next good afternoon, Welcome to all on Target. I'm
your host, Eric.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
We are broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms
and Ranges. At nine nine to nine, Bethel wrote, jac
I have been fired up. I was on with Chuck
yesterday on The Blazer Show, and I have been fired
up since before that, and I still am.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's just we are very easy going people, without any issues,
without any aggression, and this week has been one of
those weeks.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That just tip the scales, if you will.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It is just such a tragedy with the last administration.
Did I mean trying to poison just the folks out
there by saying, oh, if you believe in Trump, I mean,
dictator's gonna take away your your rights, She's gonna do this.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
That all you know. That's a lie, lie, lie, lie lie.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And it gets some of the lesser crowd going, yeah, yeah,
we gotta we gotta stop that. And you know, did
you shoot up a shooting range?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I don't think she's listening. Fine, I don't think she's listening.
But I'd probably be lying if I didn't say. Our
guys were were smiling when I made that call. Well,
they aren't going to do something here. I guarantee it.
It's not going to turn out as they planned.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's just it's crazy that we even have to put
up with that and what she put us through and
local law enforcement through scrambling for those minutes. It was
actually probably a couple hours where we didn't know if
it was an imminent threat. I mean, we had our
guys going around and checking customers if they knew them
in the store.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know, so you know, customers to you know, to
look out for.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
We have the store to look out for.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, you never know what some of the crazy folks,
especially that have been kamalaized, and you know, there's always
words like that, like we gotta f this, we gotta what.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
They're still doing it today. It's going to be it's
going to be a crazy it's going to be a
crazy summer. And you know what, Thank goodness to the
fine men and women in law enforcement here locally. They
looked at this and you know, it could have been
brushed aside. Oh it was just so one just blowing
off steam. No, we're charging her. She's gonna be charged,
and she's gonna be paying. It's gonna stick with her.
You don't get to do that. You don't get to
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threaten stuff like that and walk away unharmed. So we
need to set a precedence for that.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Unless you're succeed in clubs to drive down the road
and shooting at people.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Jac that's next week. That is that is that is something. Yeah,
that is going to be. You think this was passionate
this week, wait till that one next week. Guys, we
are the owners of LPD firearms range and training facility
in our active in law enforcement, but for one hour
on Saturdays, we put together a group of firearm experts
to discuss new products in the market, training tips, and
oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commitment that
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has always been to bring you the facts about our
industry and help listeners and customers with safe, responsible ownership
of responsible ownership of firearms. We're gonna touch on that
later too, jac that was another pet peeve this week,
But yeah, responsible ownership of firearms.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Today on the show, JC has some news, some good,
some not so good.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It's, you know, a mixed bag. I mean, there's still
that fringe element applies to the whole state. So I
just don't know why East Coast, West Coast, they're just
off the rockers. It's like, we don't care about your
Second Amendment, we don't care about your mamas. We'll do
whatever we want. Supreme Court just something, eh, you know,
it's the old I want to do what I want.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I wouldn't want to be on the bad side of
this administration, I tell you, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So we're gonna have news coming up here shortly. We're
gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
We're not gonna have a Gun of the Week, although
there is a couple sitting here on our desk, do
we want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We've talked about them before, but they.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Were just things that came up this week, and I thought,
you know what, we should mention these again because they're
so neat and they're still available here. But we're actually
going to do a We're gonna do an AMMO of
the Week. JC and I and I hesitated when we
spoke last night, JC and I told you about this AMO.
I know, I said, John's not getting any sleep tonight,
and I suspect you probably didn't get much sleep last night,
which A three see.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I knew it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So that AMO, the AMO of the Week is going
to be coming up here shortly. And then at twelve thirty,
our good friend Chief Gilbert from Funking County Sheriff calling
in and he is going to call in and talk
about I don't know if you saw it this week.
I'm not going to spoil it, but there were some
deputies who just had some absolutely heroic actions this week
that we need to talk about. It's just, you know,
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these guys do this stuff every day and it's part
of their routine, but it is truly amazing and Chief
Gilbert's going to come on and talk about that.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Before we go any further, I want to talk with
March first. Did I mention March first is block days
here at LPD and last week I didn't have all
the information in front of me. But not only is
there going to be a sale on a lot of items,
you can come here try out a glock that you
may be considering, but we're also giving away a glocka hear,
So yes, I didn't realize that and they said, yeah,
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we're giving away one. So it's supposed to be really nice.
Us law Shield are good partners and friends that are
going to come provide some food. I think as well.
So March first here in a couple of weeks, definitely
gonna want to put that on your calendar.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And stop buy.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And I know we mentioned it last week, but it
is worth mentioning again. AMO prices here have dropped. We
were able to secure some better pricing on many of
the common calibers and we've immediately reflected that in our
AMMO prices. So whether you're looking for Bakamo or just
a box of Ammo. You will notice a some of
it substantial decreasing price actually, which is a great thing.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So you can some of the said four bucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like to thank our sponsored us Lossie Old Jackson, Negress, Windows,
Black Wings, Shooting Center, Rivers, Edge Color and of course
seeing us engraving all who make the show possible each week.
Of course, the voice you hear is not a big ed.
He is at home today and taking a break for
the day. Mister Douglas was running crazy all week.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
With shows the radio one he was there Douglas Station.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, so I was forting to jump on with him
for a few yesterday. But we do have my good
friend birthday week boy, Jay saves your birthday what Monday?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Just yeah, he was a tough one. More trip around
the sun. Don't know how many of those to be
able to cash it on, but but there you go.
So so but the good news for my birthday President
is my daughter and her husband took off to go
to Key Largo and we got the babysit our only granddaughter.
So she's like, you know, nineteen months and it was
just it was a just.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Awesome, awesome, awesome, which ac because I spoke more than
I usually I guess I just kept speaking speak. Lets
them to a break and then we come back. We'll
do get right into the news and uh get focused
on that. We're on talking broadcasting live from the studios
of LAPD Firearms Arrange.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We'll be back right after the break.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
JC.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I think we should change our opening to this.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, this is uh, yeah, I think that's it. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's about time.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's it's been a while since we talked about the
origin of our opening song. Uh, Highway to Hell. Yeah, yeah,
so what Yeah that was I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Know that was the vice president of the ANYA or not,
but yeah, anyone who's a Nunnery member, you're going to hell.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
She says on a public speech.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, I like that. He's hen't going to kick it
right to you with what needs you have.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
There's a bunch uh and speaking of we're not going
to take it anymore. You know, we voted for President
Donald Trump, and he's following his promises. We're getting exactly
what we voted for. So, uh, there's an accounting now
of government malfeasance, which I'm you know, you hear about
every day. And I love when when Elon Musk said,
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he goes, yeah, when he's looking at the US AID,
which is supposed to be you know, for international development,
that's what the ID stands for, he said, you know,
you think there's a there's a worm in the apple.
He goes, no, you just have a ball of worms.
And he said, this is what they're finding. And unfortunately,
we're finding out that many millions of dollars were spent
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in gun control and to take away our second amendment right.
So as they're going through they said, they just hit him,
and they said, five layers of charitable but millions have
gone to organizations like Bloomberg's Every Town for Gun Safety,
which is every Town for Confiscate Your Guns, and Gabby
Gifford's organization were two of the primary benefits well, and
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so was Brady. But as they're going through this, so
now the reports are finding out that, yeah, just for example,
they created the dams weever created this neo philanthropy a
part of the of the AID well, and through that
seven point five million went to Bloomberg's Every Town just
from that one that they had created. Overall, by the way,
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every Town ended up getting thirty one million, eight hundred
thousand dollars. Yeah, we are paying, we are paying that.
That's just that's what they got. The Brady got over
twelve point eight million dollars for their Brady Center, the
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big one. I keeps saying. My wife just says, don't
say that anymore. All right, Gifford's got there.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I did again.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
The Giffers got eight million, three hundred thousand dollars of
our taxpayer money to take away our rights. So they're
unraveling this. But I'm glad we got sick.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I wonderful have an impact.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I mean, I wonder if when you could obviously they're
stopping this, is that going to have an impact on
these companies who who make it sound like with the
whole country's behind us, but it's really being funded. So
without that funding and without people out there backing them,
do they go away?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Bloomberg's already says he's given millions. Sorrow says he's given millions.
But the millions they may have given maybe.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Our tax dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That they're using to fight this. So it's you know,
trying to take away our rights, just controlling us. And
so I'm glad they're unraveling it. Here's something that's coming
up We've talked about in the past where Mexico has
a ten billion dollar lawsuit against our biggest manufacturers of
firearms called Smith and Wesson at all, but it includes
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you know, Colt and and Ruger and and all the
all the big company. There's seven big, our biggest companies.
Plus uh there's another distributor that they're suing ten billion dollars.
So and they even Clay. Mexico says that if we win,
this will eviscerate the PLACA, the Protection against the Lawful
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Arms and Ammunition Act so uh Manufacturers Act. And that's
coming up to a head. But this Mexico, they're just
it just fraught with this narco terrorism corruption. The president,
the Mexican President, Claudia Shinnon bomb sounds like a I
don't know. I thought I knew some shin and bombs
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from Long Island. But this is the president of Mexico.
She invited the former Mexican Secretary of Defense, Salvador Cian Fuegos,
to stand with her on the stage celebrating this.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Uh, you know, this is one of her buddies.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
At celebrating apparently the one hundred and twelfth anniversary of
the Mexico's loyalty and this was a military ceremony. Well,
this is the same guy, this Cienfuegos, who was arrested
in twenty twenty by the US Department of Justice for
his ties to Narco terrorist drug cartels. He was for
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he was arrested for drug trafficking and firearms smuggling, and
so so they want to go ahead and sue US,
but yet they're all controlled by the Narco terrorists. So anyway,
we'll see what happens with that, but that's going to
be coming up soon. This is a good one, a
small win, but it's smallly because of the level of court,
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the court approval. But a court struck down Illinois foid
car requirements. Now in Illinois, if you want to have
a firearm, own it and even have it, you have
to have a valid Firearms Identification card which you have
to pay for. And this lady had a twenty two
cal rifle in her home. I don't know the details
on how it was discovered, but anyway, she was charged.
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You can't have that in her home because she does
not have a FOID card. So this came up to
a county, but it was a resident circuit judge named
Scott Webb. But what he did do is he took
a look at all the studied the Heller and the
brewin us screwing court decisions and said that you know,
this quote was the defender's possession of but twenty two
calber rifle within the confides of her own home, even
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without a valid foid cards, falls squarely within the protections
afforded to her by our Second Amendment. He noted that
fees associated with the right to possess a firearm in
your home for self defense certainly violates the Second Amendment,
and he likened it to putting a fee on voting. Well,
you don't go to the booth, but you have to
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mail it in, so absentee voting. And he said, hey,
so he struck that down. We'll see where that goes up.
But the foundation of why that carries with it, and
we'll hope the next court will do fun. This was
a serious one. This is a state, a whole state
of Rhode Island. They're racing to ban our modern sporting rifles.
And we talked about this kind of stuff before, but
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listen to this. Rhode Island's Governor Dan McKee, along with
state lawmakers, announced their combined effort to ban modern sporting rifles. Okay,
people in the ars, it goes beyond this. Governor McKee
so serious about this. He added money to the next
budget year to enforce this, because they're introducing legislation to
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outlaw not just the manufacturer and purchase and sale and transfer,
but the possession of firearms where you'll not be able
to possess firearms that they deem to.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Be assault weapons. What does that include?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Almost all some automatic shotguns, all some automatic rifles, all
some automatic pistols. And they have a criminal the threat
of criminal penalties. So they already have a ted round
capacity magazine. Now you can't own anything above that. But
now they're going after every sewhay automatic in this day
and age to do that. It's just it's you know,
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where's your right right?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It goes to where you know? Are they is this
fact based? Are they basing this on facts? Is no,
it's not. And that's the frustrating part.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
The fact is we're all don't crusts and want to
take away your guns.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, that's it's true.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That's that's the case. This is kind of good news.
We have time to do this bigger because this is yes,
this is one I was not aware of it, and
I'm I'm sorry I wasn't, but it just happened ten
days ago. Uh Lake City Ammunition. They produced the ammunition
for our our fine US Army and a lot of
military branches. They announced a groundbreaking on February fifth, or
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ten days ago. It's the first new small arms ammunition
factory in decades, and they're going to make ammunition for
the next generation squad weapon. And we've you and I
have talked about that earlier, like hey, this has all
been bouncing around. Apparently COVID had a lot to do
with the with the cancelation of it, because they're coming
up with a new cartridge. We are no longer going
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to be the two to two three. The new cartridge.
They have named it the six point eight by fifty
one common cartridge. It's common because it's going to be
used in their rifles and their sniper rifles and thembership.
So but this this new cartridge and it is so different.
Oland Winchester is going to be the contractor for this
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manufacturing the case is three parts. It's the pressures are
so high. Sammy, which controls all the regulations for pressure
sizes and everything of every cartridge out there, has to
be approved by the Sporting Garbs Ammunition Manufacturing Institute, and
their highest pressure they've allowed was sixty six thousand pounds
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per square Inche Well, this new army cartridge is going
to be eighty thousand pounds per square inch. It's a
three point three part. It's going to have a steel
base with an aluminum crush washer that it will crush
into the brass case. It's going to be the same
size as the three eight, so it'll fit into every
magazine of every three eight that's already out there. But
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this cartridge will develop out of a sixteen inch barrel
three thousand feet per second with one hundred and forty
grain bullet, so instead of the fifty five sixty eight,
and it generates at the buzzle twenty eight thousand foot
pounds of energy. And this is going to be our
new weapon for the US Army. It's a six hour
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maid that right now they're calling at the XM seven
and that's also for our machine gun to replace the
the two forty nine h sub machine gun as it's
the Extemp two fifty. But this is going to be
out there.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Huge, huge change in person. Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, so that's great, guys, that jumped to the bottom
of the Iron News.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
On the other side, we have our good friend, Chief
Gilbert County Iff's going to join us. We're on Talking
broadcasting life from the studios of LPD Firearms and Arrangment.
We'll be back right after the news. Welcome back to
on Talking. I'm yourho's there joined today in the LPD studio.
It's JC and me j C and me JU me.
Always good to be here with JC.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Our next guest is on the line. Is a good friend,
been a friend for a long time. Actually we haven't
spoken in a while, but I reached out to him
this week because I heard something about a few of
his deputies. Who you talk about heroic actions, These guys
epitomize heroes. I mean what they did this week and
this is this isn't the normal course of their job.
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I mean, who shows up to work and this is
just hey, this is just what I did this week.
But I want to have him on to tell the story. Chief,
our chief, Chief Gilbert how are.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
You, Gilbert, I'm doing great. Hey on behalf of shriffallwind
Think and myself. Thanks for having me on today to
cover this topic. With the great work that these deputies did,
it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Tell everyone who hadn't heard yet what happened this week.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
So back in December, our deputies Deputy Titshlar, Deputy Dylan
and Finley. You know, this just speaks volumes for in
law enforcement. You never know what the day is going
to bring you in preparation and training and how important
all that is related to what we do in law enforcement.
They're on Lockborn Road down in Hamilton Township helping a
woman with a disabled vehicle off the side of the road,
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and then radio radio dispatcher puts out in the city
of Obetts a non breathing baby, So you know, that's
the most critical run we could go on as a
priority one call related to that, so they were right
around the corner. The Deputy Tushlar immediately within a minute
gets on scene just slightly from Hampton Township into the
city of Obetts, and we cover runs in the city
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boat Bets all the time because it's within Hamilton Township.
Even tho they have their own police department, So he
was first on scene and frantically the father runs towards him.
They're blowing the horn. They're trying to pull out of
the apartment complex to take the baby to the hospital,
and immediately identifies that this baby's not breathing. The baby
was blue, and we just recently purchased I mean, working
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for Sheriff Ball when anytime we have a new piece
of equipment, we see out if I'm always a lessons
learned guy, if I see an agency using a piece
of equipment or see something out there on a story,
we just recently purchased these life acts which are helpful
for so he got the life act from his vehicle,
from his cruiser. We trained on it and he immediately
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tried attempted to use that thinking that his first thought
was the baby must be choking on something, and then
he realized the baby had medical issues because the baby
had a trake, so he immediately started CPR and Hamilton
Township paramedics got on scene and with the assistance of
Deputy Dylan and Finley and then the Obett's police officers,
the transferred the care to the medics and before the
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medics left the baby, they got a pulse from the baby,
and the children's hospital er doctor attributed the deputy starting
CPR right away of saving the baby's life and just
a great story. The Hamilton Township Board of Trustees, I
can't thank them enough. They wanted to ensure the deputies
were recognized. The farty part men recognize them, So we
worked really hard to put together a nice little social
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media Our social media team put together in nice little videos.
So these three deputies will also be honored internally within
the Sheriff's office with a life saving a word at
a later date as well. So it was just all around.
It was it was a great, a great thing for them.
They reunited with the mother and the baby and the
family and they're going to maintain that relationship moving forward.
And just the training and the experience and the opportunity
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for them be in the right place at the right time,
and this was a very positive, positive result. And I
can't We're so proud of them, so proud of the
work that they did that night.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Jeef.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I mean, and this is you know, this is obviously
just just beyond heroic, but these are what our men
and men and women of law enforcement go out to
do every day, this is in the course of their job,
and to see them do it so professionally, so calmly,
it's always amazing to me, even though i'm you know,
in and around law enforcement. It's just it's amazing to
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me how calm and how prof professional they are at
somebody else's most time of need. I mean, that's just
it's just an attribute to their training, to their person,
to everything about them. I mean, it's really something we
should celebrate.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Absolutely, I'll tell you I can't. You know, it's it's
just amazing work that these they do day in and
day out on across all three shifts, I mean especially
third shift. You know, we're as citizens, we're all home,
we're all sleeping. You know, we've got things that you know,
they're not. They're they're getting up, they're going to work,
they're ensuring for safety overnight. And it just speaks volumes
for how quickly a law enforcement officer at the at
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the flip of the switch can be thrusted into a
life a life saving and life altering type situation. And
in this case, you know, it worked out great. They
did a phenomenal job, rare proud of them.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, and Chief, we're talking to Chief Gilbert of Frekin County. Shriff. Chief.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You know something, And I'm still amazed at this, And
like I said, I know this stuff. But when you
listen even to the dispatchers when you have these high
priority runs, whether it be a chase or a shooting,
so calm, I mean, so calm, when when somebody is
going through probably one of the most traumatic events they'll
ever have in their life. And it's just it's just
a testament to the men and women who have committed
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their life to protecting and serving the community. It's just,
you know, every time I hear them and I hear
these things go down and I listen to their voice,
it's it's incredible at at their the way they handled themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
G see.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, I'm just saying that shows the both ends of
the officer. Every day you go out, you put yourself,
you know, at risk. You don't know if you're coming
home that day. This just happens. And yet on the
other hand, yeah, those opportunities to I mean, serve the
community by saving the life of a young Joe who
would die they've never made it.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
To the hospital.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean the fact that he was there, they were there,
really made a difference, you know, in their life. But
I'm always reminded of this. My birthday is February Tanton.
That is the day that the two Westernville officers were
just doing a domestic coming to a door. Both are
shot and killed Officer Ralli and Jewelry. So you never know,
I mean, you're there doing that, but yeah, these had
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an opportunity at the other end to really make a
difference and save the life of a young, young child.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
And the thing too, is that often, I mean, I
think we overlook it. I mean, this is what a
lot of law enforcement is. Everyone envision's law enforcement. As
you're out there, you're pulling people over and catching the
bad guys. But chief, correct me if I'm wrong. This
is I mean, how often are your deputies out there
helping someone change a tire on the side of the road,
pulling someone out of a ditch, or just helping somebody
in the community, you know, get on with their life,
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or or showing up when that person's having a bad day.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Absolutely, you know, I speak about this all the time.
Part of being a law enforcement officer today's environment is
you've got to be able to be out there for
the people that need our assistance and the things that
you're going to come across all on patrol. And you know,
we've got to be able to flip the switch at
a moment's notice to either get into warrior mode because
of an active shooter situation like we saw at the
New Albuny last week, to you know, a frantic family
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member running and carrying their lifeless baby. So you've got
to be able to quickly go from you know, to
to be able to quickly react. And I'll tell you
the unsung heroes and somebody we haven't mentioned that any
of this, and I think he started to hit on
it was how about our communications center folks that job
to stay calm with somebody frantic on nine one one,
to be able to quickly get what the information is
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out to the deputies so the deputies can get there.
So it's a well oiled machine. And we can't take
our nine one one dispatchers and our communication center folks
enough either, because they're the ones that are providing us
the most updated information as quickly as they can that
we can have that information as we enter any situation.
But yeah, I mean it speaks volumes. I mean, we
people think of all the you know, ah, there's a
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police car, they're gonna they're gonna write somebody a ticket
or take somebody to jail. Our job is so much
more than that, especially in today's time, where we're dealing
well a lot more things that we probably shouldn't be
dealing with, but unfortunately we're forced to deal with when
it relates to a mental health crisis and other other
things out there that that that we have to take
the tasks on for because we're doing more with less.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Chief switching gears a little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Are you seeing I'm starting to feel a little bit
of the pendulum coming back to the law and order side.
What are you seeing on the streets? What are your
deputies seeing on the streets. I'm a little bit still
upset about the juvenile the amount of juvenile crime. Are
you seeing it loosening up a little bit in that
the deputies are allowed to go out there and you know,
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catch the bad guys versus how it was four years ago.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Yeah, I tell you, I wake up every morning and
see the work that's done by our third shift deputies.
We still have We're continuously attempting to stop vehicles that
are fleeing from us. We're involved arresting in you know,
sixteen seventeen year olds and stolen cars that are breaking
into cars. We had contact with an individual two weeks
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ago breaking into breaking them into a hotel parking lot,
breaking in some cars. We had a small short chase
with him. A week later he was involved in a
arm car jacking with shops fired, ended up down in
Grove City. That are first Ship deputies we're involved with.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
We're still continuing to see it, but you know, we
we have the sheriff Ballwins made a commitment. Uh, I've
talked to him. We're going to start doing these monthly operations.
When the weather starts to break here, Operation Unity is
going to be back in full swing. You'll be a
part of that. As you know, we we have a
collaborative we do every year in the spring up in
up in Clinton Township to try to make a difference
in a twelve hour period. You know, we're we're seeing
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a lot more, a lot more activity out there when
it comes to the juveniles. You are correct, and you
know it's a it's a it's a full circle type thing.
I mean We're we're going to continue to keep doing
what we have to do to present these cases and
bring things forward. Uh in the hopes that we can
we can, we can try to make a difference. But
the car break ins and the juvenile crime has not stopped.
It has still continued, and unfortunately it keep it. It
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keeps our deputies on all three shifts, UH in the
suburban agencies very very busy. Uh here in Franklin County.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Well, Chief, I appreciate you so much calling in today,
and and I want to I know we're friends and
work together out there, but really, the hats off to you,
I mean not You're not just a chief that sits
back in some office, but you are the hugest advocate
for the men and women out there. And it makes
me smile because you lead by example.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
And there's there's so many.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Times I'm working or I've worked in the Ohio State
Games and I hear you know, Chief one, I have
an arrest.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Or a Chief one, I'll be out with a violator. Yeah,
this is the chief.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I mean true, he could he could justify sitting back
in an office and pushing paper, but he is out
there amongst his men and women exactly what they do.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
He is and that's that's what I love about the chief.
I'm appreciative of that.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Well, I appreciate it. I attribute a lot to my dad.
You know, I'm just a cop happened to be a rank.
I'm very blessed by having the opportunity under the sheriff
to still be able to go out and you know,
thirty two years I've been doing this job, very passionate
about it. But you know, the TA kudos goes out
to the guys that have to do it every single
day and continue to work in and do the best,
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hardest job, hardest job in America. I know you've heard
that quote from retired Commander Bob Meter. It is the
hardest job in America. And yes, you know, I want
to thank you and your show and your efforts. You
guys continuously support pushing out the importance of supporting law enforcement.
And you know, if there's one, if there's a listener
out there today, if they run into a police officer,
please walk up to them, let them know that you
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appreciate what they're doing and thank them because it is
the hardest job in America. Thanks what you guys are.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Doing Yeah, we appreciate a chief and that hey, don't
forget my number.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
When that Operation Unity comes around here again, oh.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
We'll be we'll be including you and the many other
partners out there. So we're looking forward to it. So
God bless you, guys, God bless you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The sounds great that Chief Gilbert, chief of sheriff. It's
just awesome. I mean, you can't say enough good things.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And it's relatively rare that a chief would be out there.
They can arrestle. I mean maybe in a small town
of like four people or something, you know, but he's
he's out there.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's almost comical at times, Jac because we'll be working
and I mean, his call signs are obvious. She won
I know who it is, and I'm like, he's on
an accident scene. He's I mean, it's not it's not
something you see all the time, and it's just an attribute.
And that's why that's why he is. Uh, he's such
an advocate for his people because he sees her firsthand.
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He can be out he's out there on the street.
He sees what they're seeing.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And so I mean, so fortunates, all right, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right now, guys, let's jump to a break and we
come back on the other side.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We're gonna talk about the AMMO of the week. Uh
j C.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
By the time you're done explaining this, I think I'm
gonna end up buying.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Up a couple of boxes myself. We're on talking.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You should broadcasting Life from the Students of l APD
Farms arranged.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
We'll be right back Jac.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
You know, La, she must have my saying she I
think she's tapped into my.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Playlist.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So yeah, she does just an outstanding job.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Ellen, do you have my phone's playlist? I just I.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Try to find like something relativelatively law enforcement related, and
so I mean, I've been through all of them. I'm
scraping the bottom of the barrel now. But I thought, hey, nineteen,
if you're hitting on a nineteen year old, that's legal,
so the cops don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, all right, Well then.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You bring that old school part back to which I like.
So welcome back to on Target. I'm your host, Derek
joined today. We have JC sitting beside me, and of
course Ella working all the controls back at the station.
So fortunate to have her back there helping us out too. Guys,
no Gun of the Week this week, but something came
in this week that was unique. We haven't seen it. Actually,
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I haven't seen it since probably the beginning of my
law enforcement career, and at the time it was in
thirty eight caliber. What we got in this week was
a few cases of federal nine melimeter. Okay, comment so far,
one fifteen grain JC. Nothing fancy so far, Jack get
a hollow point.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
But it is plus P plus, so plus B plus
was relatively relatively rare. I've seen it upon occasion, but
it's only because that they only sell these two law
enforcement agencies the plus P plus, So if they have
an overrun, some they're allowed to sell, you know, to
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liquidate these. And I've seen them in gun shows, but
very very rarely so when they talk about plus P
for those, there's an organization, big organization SAMMY, the Sporting
Arms and Ammunitions Manufacturing Institute that controls the maximum pressures
of rounds of guns. So you don't have somebody put
in making some of the extra powder around. You put
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it into an old gun that shoots. Matter of fact,
the nine milimeter came out in nineteen oh two.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's how old.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
The card triage is you put it in something like
that high pressure, you could damage your gun. So they
control that. So but some people like the police force, said, hey,
we need extra extra penetrating power, we need extra force,
We should a little bit longer distances and to defend ourselves.
So they came up with plus P and that plus
B means extra pressure and it normally adds around, you know,
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about three thousand and thirty five hundred pounds of pressure,
so ins seat of a thirty five thousand, which is standard,
it jumps it up to like thirty eight five So
extra pressure meaning more force and more penetration and more
stopping power. But for law enforcement sometimes they even need
more than that. So when they had the plus plus
P plus it adds another thirty five hundred on that.
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That's a twenty percent increase over what a standard one is.
So this extra and they don't want that out there
for everyone. It takes it to the limit of what
a case and a gun can pretty much handle. And
so anyway they have this, and we happen to have
what about how many.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Few cases a lot about but forty dollars a box,
which actually for a box of fifty.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Defense and you just can't walk in and go, hey,
give me some plus P plus and you said, okay,
you get it from your department.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
In fact, the departments have to actually sign that they
this is what they're going to have and that they're
responsible for, and if anything happens bad to their guns,
well it's on them and not on the manufacture.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
So it's it's powerful stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Forty two thousand psi out of a plus piece.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So what guns can take it? I mean, what are
you what's comfortable in shooting that in?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well, I wouldn't shoot in as a steady diet number one.
You're gonna have a lot more recoil when you have
a lot more force. It Actually, well we'll put it
out there at around depending on the length about you know,
fourteen hundred feet per second out of a out of
a wow, out of.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
A four inch barrel.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Actually they got it out of a three eighty three
point one inch barrel.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
They got that out of a Ruger.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Of nine millimeters subcompact. And they're saying, yeah, and so
anytime you can get that kind of power, which is
a lot of a lot of force, but it's rare
and for those of us who like kind of things
that are rare and unusual not and you want to
shoot it and you have it in a round or
two on a modern gun.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Matter of fact, what.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
They tested on was as it used, it was say
two to six, and they said, well, of course we
expect that to hold up to right. So so you
wouldn't want to go pull out your luger, uh, your
grandpa's luger from you know, nineteen fifteen and stick in
a plus P plus.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Factors specifically say that they're okay to use it, I mean,
or is that they don't.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
So here's what's.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Regulated again the sporting arm unitions, They said, okay, here's what.
Here's what a regular nine millimeter thirty five thousand psi
and then plus P.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
They regulate that.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
So you could add another thirty five hundred feet per
second and they regulate that. They don't regulate the plus
P plus. They just said, look, that's kind of on you.
But NATO has set the standard for their submachine guns
of forty two thousand psi. So that's what the plus
P plus is regulated four for America.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Now, so plus.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
If you buy it every now and then we see
boxes of nine milimeters NATO, is that at forty two
or it could it could be.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It could be so just because I don't think they
matter of fact, I'm pretty positive that they don't shoot
that in all of their handdouns. That's not what they're
what they're looking for. But if they're looking for extra
power out of a out of a machine gun nine millimeters,
then they have to penetrate more and that could be
a very good defensive round. But the fact is you
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can't get the stuff. So if you want something that
you normally can't get, we have some and.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
It's by federal and they do use that forty.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Two thousand maximum because that's the NATO maximum, But since
it's not regulated by Sammy, it's kind of it could
come out there.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
And how about it.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I mean, we thought, in these pistol caliber carbings like
the one we have here, we have a denial defense.
We talked to them. They didn't say, oh, shoot thousands
of rounds to it, but they said, hey, it should
be fine with it should be and you know the
things that might occur during a steady diet or I
think is a firing pan or wanted the pan or something.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
But more pressure is more force. I mean, you know
you have, it's all physics. Whatever comes out one end,
the same force is coming back at you. So you
can expect an increased recoil, but increase pressure around.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
The barrel where you're doing that.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
And if you do like lots and that's all you
want to shoot, you're probably gonna change your barrel occasionally.
But the round itself out of a sixteen inch barrel
what you're talking about, and this is what the police wanted.
They used to use the revolvers three fifty seven and
that revolves kind of went on style, and then they
went into the semi automatic and they said, yeah, we
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have some automatic, but what we really we want the
power of that three fifty seven magnum. So that is
what the plus P plus does. It takes your your
fifteen round magazine that you have a nine millimeter and
give you fifteen rounds of the power of a three
fifty seven magnum. You know, it recoils like in a
three fifty seven magnum most Oh, that's what it is.
So out of a sixteen inch barrel, you're getting sixteen
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hundred and fifty feet per second, and used the one
fifteen they want the maximum velocity because that puts it
up a pound of force, just really off it.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Off the truck.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So JC like myself and my good buddy Steve like
to say, or you could just carried three pt seven
sig like I do, and you get that every day.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Right, Well, that's that's true.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's pretty click bick yeah, because that's a forty Yeah,
that's a forty case neck down to three fifty seven
sig And yeah, you get that, like you said, every day.
But for those who want to the nine millimeter and
that we'll fit right into your nine millimeter gun, yep uh.
And out of a out of a out of a
sixteen nighte barrel, you're getting like sixteen hundred and fifty
feet per second. That's moving out of one hundred and
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fifteen and it's got energy up to yan yang. That's
more powerful actually than the three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So guys, thanks for spending I don't know where this
last hour win. It seems to go by super quick.
Thanks to Chief Gilbert.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
For calling in. And we have some of the Samuel here.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
And you find it for sale and you can get
it here legally.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Next week there is going to be my log that
you're not gonna want to miss. I've already started working
on that one and much much more. Be safe out there,
stop buy and visit us anytime, and as always, let's
be careful out there.
I may not be the toughest guy on the block.
It's a line I heard so many times from my
father while growing up. I personally try and operate like
a snake depicted in one of my favorite colonial pictures
on the gats and Flag, you know, the coiled snake
with the insignia. Don't tread on me, Just going about
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my business. No aggression towards others, tolerant but once provoked,
who once provoked a bite.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
That the enemy will not soon forget.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Two weeks ago, I got away with the family for
about a week of relaxation time. Nothing fancy, no elaborate beaches,
but basically working remotely and a climate with temperatures well
above the Ohio winters. It was Friday afternoon that week
and I was driving the family to dinner when I
received a call from a buddy in law enforcement specializing
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in anti terrorism. Hey, Eric, FBI just intercepted a social
media post where someone and is threatening to shoot up
a shooting range and they are pinging around nine nine
nine Bethel Road talk about going from zero to one
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hundred and seconds. I immediately called our team and told
them to implement our emergency plan. The guys quickly took
note of the customers in the store and then immediately
assigned an associate to watch each door. Customers probably knew
nothing was wrong, but our guys were definitely on high
alert for what appeared to be an impending threat. My
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next call was to our local police department, and they
wasted no time in sending cruisers to nine nine Bethel Road.
I started to make additional calls to determine who may
have posted such a heinous threat, and quickly found out
it was a bit worse than I initially thought. The
threat had been posted on social media and contained a
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picture taken from within our property from within the parking
lot of LAPD. The picture was of a sign that
hung on the side of the building, simply showing our
support for President Trump and our friend JD.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Vance.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
The motive started to become clear. I began to review
security footage as my family went on to dinner without me.
I was looking for some vehicle or suspect identifier, but
the task was ominous two thousand miles away, working off
a cell phone and trying to identify the suspect. After
a short time, I received another call and learned that
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the post had actually been done a few days earlier,
and that the threat appeared to be no longer imminent
in nature. Soon I learned of the person's name and
time of the post, and actually saw the picture for myself.
Extremely scary, knowing their intentions and that they were on
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our premise. I was then able to pull the videos
and started to Heke's together how the whole thing played out,
how this female came to be on our property. I
saw that after pulling into our lot, she actually exited
the vehicle and attempted to go to a closed business
within our complex that had seemed to attract people on
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the left to far left side of the political spectrum
at the time. After seeing it was closed, she snapped
a picture from within her car and made the post
that put our employees in our local law enforcement on
high alert. Did she have the means to carry out
such a threat, We'll never know, but whether her post
is inspiring to others who do only time will tell.
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It's really a sad state when people have zero tolerance
for those who don't agree with them. Not only zero tolerance,
but willing to threaten serious physical harms simply because of
expressing an alternative view. This has to become unacceptable to
all of us. I certainly did and care for Kamala
or Biden or many others, but I never ever would
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advocate threatening those who did.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
What kind of people think that this is okay?
Speaker 1 (04:10):
It has to become outrageous to all sides for it
to get better. But I fear more of this is
to come. Where's the sand Today? We're still operating under
an elevated alert at the store, and as they say,
charges are pending on this lady who was so brave
behind her phone. We might not be the toughest guys
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on the block, but and other thug news, I am
happy to announce that we are in the process of
adding yet another person to the famous.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
Wall of Shame.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
That's the wall that hangs proudly in our range lobby,
highlighting all the individuals felons, drug dealers, gun traffickers and
terrorists that have been arrested at our store or with
the help from our staff. I know it may be
too early for many of them to hear this show today,
but before warned, you will not come into our establishment
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intending to harm our staff for customers. You will not
come to LPD drunk or so high you can't walk
and think nothing will happen. You cannot use our range
to train your terrorist thugs, and certainly you can't be
a felon, a violent felon prohibited from owning, possessing, or
touching a fire on or ammunition and not think your
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visit will not turned out as planned. I guess this
week has just been one of those weeks where this
snake depicted on the.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Flag got stepped on.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
But for those listening who are not our friends, our
wonderful customers, or our family, just remember, as Paul Paul
so famously says, we may not be the toughest guys
on the block, but the tough guys don't f with
us on Target.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
It's next good afternoon, Welcome to all on Target. I'm
your host, Eric.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
We are broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms
and Ranges. At nine nine to nine, Bethel wrote, jac
I have been fired up. I was on with Chuck
yesterday on The Blazer Show, and I have been fired
up since before that, and I still am.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
You know.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's just we are very easy going people, without any issues,
without any aggression, and this week has been one of
those weeks.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
That just tip the scales, if you will.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
It is just such a tragedy with the last administration.
Did I mean trying to poison just the folks out
there by saying, oh, if you believe in Trump, I mean,
dictator's gonna take away your your rights, She's gonna do this.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
That all you know. That's a lie, lie, lie, lie lie.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
And it gets some of the lesser crowd going, yeah, yeah,
we gotta we gotta stop that. And you know, did
you shoot up a shooting range?
Speaker 2 (06:54):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I don't think she's listening. Fine, I don't think she's listening.
But I'd probably be lying if I didn't say. Our
guys were were smiling when I made that call. Well,
they aren't going to do something here. I guarantee it.
It's not going to turn out as they planned.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
You know.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It's just it's crazy that we even have to put
up with that and what she put us through and
local law enforcement through scrambling for those minutes. It was
actually probably a couple hours where we didn't know if
it was an imminent threat. I mean, we had our
guys going around and checking customers if they knew them
in the store.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
You know, so you know, customers to you know, to
look out for.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
We have the store to look out for.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
You know, you never know what some of the crazy folks,
especially that have been kamalaized, and you know, there's always
words like that, like we gotta f this, we gotta what.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
They're still doing it today. It's going to be it's
going to be a crazy it's going to be a
crazy summer. And you know what, Thank goodness to the
fine men and women in law enforcement here locally. They
looked at this and you know, it could have been
brushed aside. Oh it was just so one just blowing
off steam. No, we're charging her. She's gonna be charged,
and she's gonna be paying. It's gonna stick with her.
You don't get to do that. You don't get to
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threaten stuff like that and walk away unharmed. So we
need to set a precedence for that.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Unless you're succeed in clubs to drive down the road
and shooting at people.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Jac that's next week. That is that is that is something. Yeah,
that is going to be. You think this was passionate
this week, wait till that one next week. Guys, we
are the owners of LPD firearms range and training facility
in our active in law enforcement, but for one hour
on Saturdays, we put together a group of firearm experts
to discuss new products in the market, training tips, and
oftentimes political topics surrounding the Second Amendment. Our commitment that
(08:38):
has always been to bring you the facts about our
industry and help listeners and customers with safe, responsible ownership
of responsible ownership of firearms. We're gonna touch on that
later too, jac that was another pet peeve this week,
But yeah, responsible ownership of firearms.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
Today on the show, JC has some news, some good,
some not so good.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
It's, you know, a mixed bag. I mean, there's still
that fringe element applies to the whole state. So I
just don't know why East Coast, West Coast, they're just
off the rockers. It's like, we don't care about your
Second Amendment, we don't care about your mamas. We'll do
whatever we want. Supreme Court just something, eh, you know,
it's the old I want to do what I want.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I wouldn't want to be on the bad side of
this administration, I tell you, you know.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
I agree.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
So we're gonna have news coming up here shortly. We're
gonna talk.
Speaker 1 (09:23):
We're not gonna have a Gun of the Week, although
there is a couple sitting here on our desk, do
we want to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
We've talked about them before, but they.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Were just things that came up this week, and I thought,
you know what, we should mention these again because they're
so neat and they're still available here. But we're actually
going to do a We're gonna do an AMMO of
the Week. JC and I and I hesitated when we
spoke last night, JC and I told you about this AMO.
I know, I said, John's not getting any sleep tonight,
and I suspect you probably didn't get much sleep last night,
which A three see.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I knew it.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I knew it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
So that AMO, the AMO of the Week is going
to be coming up here shortly. And then at twelve thirty,
our good friend Chief Gilbert from Funking County Sheriff calling
in and he is going to call in and talk
about I don't know if you saw it this week.
I'm not going to spoil it, but there were some
deputies who just had some absolutely heroic actions this week
that we need to talk about. It's just, you know,
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these guys do this stuff every day and it's part
of their routine, but it is truly amazing and Chief
Gilbert's going to come on and talk about that.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Before we go any further, I want to talk with
March first. Did I mention March first is block days
here at LPD and last week I didn't have all
the information in front of me. But not only is
there going to be a sale on a lot of items,
you can come here try out a glock that you
may be considering, but we're also giving away a glocka hear,
So yes, I didn't realize that and they said, yeah,
(10:44):
we're giving away one. So it's supposed to be really nice.
Us law Shield are good partners and friends that are
going to come provide some food. I think as well.
So March first here in a couple of weeks, definitely
gonna want to put that on your calendar.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
And stop buy.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
And I know we mentioned it last week, but it
is worth mentioning again. AMO prices here have dropped. We
were able to secure some better pricing on many of
the common calibers and we've immediately reflected that in our
AMMO prices. So whether you're looking for Bakamo or just
a box of Ammo. You will notice a some of
it substantial decreasing price actually, which is a great thing.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
So you can some of the said four bucks. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Like to thank our sponsored us Lossie Old Jackson, Negress, Windows,
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seeing us engraving all who make the show possible each week.
Of course, the voice you hear is not a big ed.
He is at home today and taking a break for
the day. Mister Douglas was running crazy all week.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
With shows the radio one he was there Douglas Station.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, so I was forting to jump on with him
for a few yesterday. But we do have my good
friend birthday week boy, Jay saves your birthday what Monday?
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Just yeah, he was a tough one. More trip around
the sun. Don't know how many of those to be
able to cash it on, but but there you go.
So so but the good news for my birthday President
is my daughter and her husband took off to go
to Key Largo and we got the babysit our only granddaughter.
So she's like, you know, nineteen months and it was
just it was a just.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Awesome, awesome, awesome, which ac because I spoke more than
I usually I guess I just kept speaking speak. Lets
them to a break and then we come back. We'll
do get right into the news and uh get focused
on that. We're on talking broadcasting live from the studios
of LAPD Firearms Arrange.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We'll be back right after the break.
Speaker 4 (12:35):
JC.
Speaker 2 (12:35):
I think we should change our opening to this.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
Yeah, this is uh, yeah, I think that's it. I
like it.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
It's about time.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
It's it's been a while since we talked about the
origin of our opening song. Uh, Highway to Hell. Yeah, yeah,
so what Yeah that was I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Know that was the vice president of the ANYA or not,
but yeah, anyone who's a Nunnery member, you're going to hell.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
She says on a public speech.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, I like that. He's hen't going to kick it
right to you with what needs you have.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
There's a bunch uh and speaking of we're not going
to take it anymore. You know, we voted for President
Donald Trump, and he's following his promises. We're getting exactly
what we voted for. So, uh, there's an accounting now
of government malfeasance, which I'm you know, you hear about
every day. And I love when when Elon Musk said,
(13:27):
he goes, yeah, when he's looking at the US AID,
which is supposed to be you know, for international development,
that's what the ID stands for, he said, you know,
you think there's a there's a worm in the apple.
He goes, no, you just have a ball of worms.
And he said, this is what they're finding. And unfortunately,
we're finding out that many millions of dollars were spent
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in gun control and to take away our second amendment right.
So as they're going through they said, they just hit him,
and they said, five layers of charitable but millions have
gone to organizations like Bloomberg's Every Town for Gun Safety,
which is every Town for Confiscate Your Guns, and Gabby
Gifford's organization were two of the primary benefits well, and
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so was Brady. But as they're going through this, so
now the reports are finding out that, yeah, just for example,
they created the dams weever created this neo philanthropy a
part of the of the AID well, and through that
seven point five million went to Bloomberg's Every Town just
from that one that they had created. Overall, by the way,
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every Town ended up getting thirty one million, eight hundred
thousand dollars. Yeah, we are paying, we are paying that.
That's just that's what they got. The Brady got over
twelve point eight million dollars for their Brady Center, the
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big one. I keeps saying. My wife just says, don't
say that anymore. All right, Gifford's got there.
Speaker 4 (14:58):
I did again.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
The Giffers got eight million, three hundred thousand dollars of
our taxpayer money to take away our rights. So they're
unraveling this. But I'm glad we got sick.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I wonderful have an impact.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I mean, I wonder if when you could obviously they're
stopping this, is that going to have an impact on
these companies who who make it sound like with the
whole country's behind us, but it's really being funded. So
without that funding and without people out there backing them,
do they go away?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
Well?
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Bloomberg's already says he's given millions. Sorrow says he's given millions.
But the millions they may have given maybe.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Our tax dollars.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
That they're using to fight this. So it's you know,
trying to take away our rights, just controlling us. And
so I'm glad they're unraveling it. Here's something that's coming
up We've talked about in the past where Mexico has
a ten billion dollar lawsuit against our biggest manufacturers of
firearms called Smith and Wesson at all, but it includes
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you know, Colt and and Ruger and and all the
all the big company. There's seven big, our biggest companies.
Plus uh there's another distributor that they're suing ten billion dollars.
So and they even Clay. Mexico says that if we win,
this will eviscerate the PLACA, the Protection against the Lawful
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Arms and Ammunition Act so uh Manufacturers Act. And that's
coming up to a head. But this Mexico, they're just
it just fraught with this narco terrorism corruption. The president,
the Mexican President, Claudia Shinnon bomb sounds like a I
don't know. I thought I knew some shin and bombs
(16:45):
from Long Island. But this is the president of Mexico.
She invited the former Mexican Secretary of Defense, Salvador Cian Fuegos,
to stand with her on the stage celebrating this.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
Uh, you know, this is one of her buddies.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
At celebrating apparently the one hundred and twelfth anniversary of
the Mexico's loyalty and this was a military ceremony. Well,
this is the same guy, this Cienfuegos, who was arrested
in twenty twenty by the US Department of Justice for
his ties to Narco terrorist drug cartels. He was for
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he was arrested for drug trafficking and firearms smuggling, and
so so they want to go ahead and sue US,
but yet they're all controlled by the Narco terrorists. So anyway,
we'll see what happens with that, but that's going to
be coming up soon. This is a good one, a
small win, but it's smallly because of the level of court,
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the court approval. But a court struck down Illinois foid
car requirements. Now in Illinois, if you want to have
a firearm, own it and even have it, you have
to have a valid Firearms Identification card which you have
to pay for. And this lady had a twenty two
cal rifle in her home. I don't know the details
on how it was discovered, but anyway, she was charged.
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You can't have that in her home because she does
not have a FOID card. So this came up to
a county, but it was a resident circuit judge named
Scott Webb. But what he did do is he took
a look at all the studied the Heller and the
brewin us screwing court decisions and said that you know,
this quote was the defender's possession of but twenty two
calber rifle within the confides of her own home, even
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without a valid foid cards, falls squarely within the protections
afforded to her by our Second Amendment. He noted that
fees associated with the right to possess a firearm in
your home for self defense certainly violates the Second Amendment,
and he likened it to putting a fee on voting. Well,
you don't go to the booth, but you have to
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mail it in, so absentee voting. And he said, hey,
so he struck that down. We'll see where that goes up.
But the foundation of why that carries with it, and
we'll hope the next court will do fun. This was
a serious one. This is a state, a whole state
of Rhode Island. They're racing to ban our modern sporting rifles.
And we talked about this kind of stuff before, but
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listen to this. Rhode Island's Governor Dan McKee, along with
state lawmakers, announced their combined effort to ban modern sporting rifles. Okay,
people in the ars, it goes beyond this. Governor McKee
so serious about this. He added money to the next
budget year to enforce this, because they're introducing legislation to
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outlaw not just the manufacturer and purchase and sale and transfer,
but the possession of firearms where you'll not be able
to possess firearms that they deem to.
Speaker 4 (19:43):
Be assault weapons. What does that include?
Speaker 3 (19:45):
Almost all some automatic shotguns, all some automatic rifles, all
some automatic pistols. And they have a criminal the threat
of criminal penalties. So they already have a ted round
capacity magazine. Now you can't own anything above that. But
now they're going after every sewhay automatic in this day
and age to do that. It's just it's you know,
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where's your right right?
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It goes to where you know? Are they is this
fact based? Are they basing this on facts? Is no,
it's not. And that's the frustrating part.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
The fact is we're all don't crusts and want to
take away your guns.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
I mean, that's it's true.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
That's that's the case. This is kind of good news.
We have time to do this bigger because this is yes,
this is one I was not aware of it, and
I'm I'm sorry I wasn't, but it just happened ten
days ago. Uh Lake City Ammunition. They produced the ammunition
for our our fine US Army and a lot of
military branches. They announced a groundbreaking on February fifth, or
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ten days ago. It's the first new small arms ammunition
factory in decades, and they're going to make ammunition for
the next generation squad weapon. And we've you and I
have talked about that earlier, like hey, this has all
been bouncing around. Apparently COVID had a lot to do
with the with the cancelation of it, because they're coming
up with a new cartridge. We are no longer going
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to be the two to two three. The new cartridge.
They have named it the six point eight by fifty
one common cartridge. It's common because it's going to be
used in their rifles and their sniper rifles and thembership.
So but this this new cartridge and it is so different.
Oland Winchester is going to be the contractor for this
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manufacturing the case is three parts. It's the pressures are
so high. Sammy, which controls all the regulations for pressure
sizes and everything of every cartridge out there, has to
be approved by the Sporting Garbs Ammunition Manufacturing Institute, and
their highest pressure they've allowed was sixty six thousand pounds
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per square Inche Well, this new army cartridge is going
to be eighty thousand pounds per square inch. It's a
three point three part. It's going to have a steel
base with an aluminum crush washer that it will crush
into the brass case. It's going to be the same
size as the three eight, so it'll fit into every
magazine of every three eight that's already out there. But
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this cartridge will develop out of a sixteen inch barrel
three thousand feet per second with one hundred and forty
grain bullet, so instead of the fifty five sixty eight,
and it generates at the buzzle twenty eight thousand foot
pounds of energy. And this is going to be our
new weapon for the US Army. It's a six hour
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maid that right now they're calling at the XM seven
and that's also for our machine gun to replace the
the two forty nine h sub machine gun as it's
the Extemp two fifty. But this is going to be
out there.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
Huge, huge change in person. Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Yeah, so that's great, guys, that jumped to the bottom
of the Iron News.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
On the other side, we have our good friend, Chief
Gilbert County Iff's going to join us. We're on Talking
broadcasting life from the studios of LPD Firearms and Arrangment.
We'll be back right after the news. Welcome back to
on Talking. I'm yourho's there joined today in the LPD studio.
It's JC and me j C and me JU me.
Always good to be here with JC.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Guys.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Our next guest is on the line. Is a good friend,
been a friend for a long time. Actually we haven't
spoken in a while, but I reached out to him
this week because I heard something about a few of
his deputies. Who you talk about heroic actions, These guys
epitomize heroes. I mean what they did this week and
this is this isn't the normal course of their job.
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I mean, who shows up to work and this is
just hey, this is just what I did this week.
But I want to have him on to tell the story. Chief,
our chief, Chief Gilbert how are.
Speaker 6 (23:44):
You, Gilbert, I'm doing great. Hey on behalf of shriffallwind
Think and myself. Thanks for having me on today to
cover this topic. With the great work that these deputies did,
it was unbelievable.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
Tell everyone who hadn't heard yet what happened this week.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
So back in December, our deputies Deputy Titshlar, Deputy Dylan
and Finley. You know, this just speaks volumes for in
law enforcement. You never know what the day is going
to bring you in preparation and training and how important
all that is related to what we do in law enforcement.
They're on Lockborn Road down in Hamilton Township helping a
woman with a disabled vehicle off the side of the road,
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and then radio radio dispatcher puts out in the city
of Obetts a non breathing baby, So you know, that's
the most critical run we could go on as a
priority one call related to that, so they were right
around the corner. The Deputy Tushlar immediately within a minute
gets on scene just slightly from Hampton Township into the
city of Obetts, and we cover runs in the city
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boat Bets all the time because it's within Hamilton Township.
Even tho they have their own police department, So he
was first on scene and frantically the father runs towards him.
They're blowing the horn. They're trying to pull out of
the apartment complex to take the baby to the hospital,
and immediately identifies that this baby's not breathing. The baby
was blue, and we just recently purchased I mean, working
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for Sheriff Ball when anytime we have a new piece
of equipment, we see out if I'm always a lessons
learned guy, if I see an agency using a piece
of equipment or see something out there on a story,
we just recently purchased these life acts which are helpful
for so he got the life act from his vehicle,
from his cruiser. We trained on it and he immediately
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tried attempted to use that thinking that his first thought
was the baby must be choking on something, and then
he realized the baby had medical issues because the baby
had a trake, so he immediately started CPR and Hamilton
Township paramedics got on scene and with the assistance of
Deputy Dylan and Finley and then the Obett's police officers,
the transferred the care to the medics and before the
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medics left the baby, they got a pulse from the baby,
and the children's hospital er doctor attributed the deputy starting
CPR right away of saving the baby's life and just
a great story. The Hamilton Township Board of Trustees, I
can't thank them enough. They wanted to ensure the deputies
were recognized. The farty part men recognize them, So we
worked really hard to put together a nice little social
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media Our social media team put together in nice little videos.
So these three deputies will also be honored internally within
the Sheriff's office with a life saving a word at
a later date as well. So it was just all around.
It was it was a great, a great thing for them.
They reunited with the mother and the baby and the
family and they're going to maintain that relationship moving forward.
And just the training and the experience and the opportunity
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for them be in the right place at the right time,
and this was a very positive, positive result. And I
can't We're so proud of them, so proud of the
work that they did that night.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
Jeef.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
I mean, and this is you know, this is obviously
just just beyond heroic, but these are what our men
and men and women of law enforcement go out to
do every day, this is in the course of their job,
and to see them do it so professionally, so calmly,
it's always amazing to me, even though i'm you know,
in and around law enforcement. It's just it's amazing to
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me how calm and how prof professional they are at
somebody else's most time of need. I mean, that's just
it's just an attribute to their training, to their person,
to everything about them. I mean, it's really something we
should celebrate.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Absolutely, I'll tell you I can't. You know, it's it's
just amazing work that these they do day in and
day out on across all three shifts, I mean especially
third shift. You know, we're as citizens, we're all home,
we're all sleeping. You know, we've got things that you know,
they're not. They're they're getting up, they're going to work,
they're ensuring for safety overnight. And it just speaks volumes
for how quickly a law enforcement officer at the at
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the flip of the switch can be thrusted into a
life a life saving and life altering type situation. And
in this case, you know, it worked out great. They
did a phenomenal job, rare proud of them.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yeah, and Chief, we're talking to Chief Gilbert of Frekin County. Shriff. Chief.
Speaker 1 (27:49):
You know something, And I'm still amazed at this, And
like I said, I know this stuff. But when you
listen even to the dispatchers when you have these high
priority runs, whether it be a chase or a shooting,
so calm, I mean, so calm, when when somebody is
going through probably one of the most traumatic events they'll
ever have in their life. And it's just it's just
a testament to the men and women who have committed
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their life to protecting and serving the community. It's just,
you know, every time I hear them and I hear
these things go down and I listen to their voice,
it's it's incredible at at their the way they handled themselves.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
G see.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
No, I'm just saying that shows the both ends of
the officer. Every day you go out, you put yourself,
you know, at risk. You don't know if you're coming
home that day. This just happens. And yet on the
other hand, yeah, those opportunities to I mean, serve the
community by saving the life of a young Joe who
would die they've never made it.
Speaker 4 (28:39):
To the hospital.
Speaker 3 (28:40):
I mean the fact that he was there, they were there,
really made a difference, you know, in their life. But
I'm always reminded of this. My birthday is February Tanton.
That is the day that the two Westernville officers were
just doing a domestic coming to a door. Both are
shot and killed Officer Ralli and Jewelry. So you never know,
I mean, you're there doing that, but yeah, these had
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an opportunity at the other end to really make a
difference and save the life of a young, young child.
Speaker 1 (29:06):
And the thing too, is that often, I mean, I
think we overlook it. I mean, this is what a
lot of law enforcement is. Everyone envision's law enforcement. As
you're out there, you're pulling people over and catching the
bad guys. But chief, correct me if I'm wrong. This
is I mean, how often are your deputies out there
helping someone change a tire on the side of the road,
pulling someone out of a ditch, or just helping somebody
in the community, you know, get on with their life,
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or or showing up when that person's having a bad day.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
Absolutely, you know, I speak about this all the time.
Part of being a law enforcement officer today's environment is
you've got to be able to be out there for
the people that need our assistance and the things that
you're going to come across all on patrol. And you know,
we've got to be able to flip the switch at
a moment's notice to either get into warrior mode because
of an active shooter situation like we saw at the
New Albuny last week, to you know, a frantic family
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member running and carrying their lifeless baby. So you've got
to be able to quickly go from you know, to
to be able to quickly react. And I'll tell you
the unsung heroes and somebody we haven't mentioned that any
of this, and I think he started to hit on
it was how about our communications center folks that job
to stay calm with somebody frantic on nine one one,
to be able to quickly get what the information is
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out to the deputies so the deputies can get there.
So it's a well oiled machine. And we can't take
our nine one one dispatchers and our communication center folks
enough either, because they're the ones that are providing us
the most updated information as quickly as they can that
we can have that information as we enter any situation.
But yeah, I mean it speaks volumes. I mean, we
people think of all the you know, ah, there's a
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police car, they're gonna they're gonna write somebody a ticket
or take somebody to jail. Our job is so much
more than that, especially in today's time, where we're dealing
well a lot more things that we probably shouldn't be
dealing with, but unfortunately we're forced to deal with when
it relates to a mental health crisis and other other
things out there that that that we have to take
the tasks on for because we're doing more with less.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Chief switching gears a little bit.
Speaker 1 (30:59):
Are you seeing I'm starting to feel a little bit
of the pendulum coming back to the law and order side.
What are you seeing on the streets? What are your
deputies seeing on the streets. I'm a little bit still
upset about the juvenile the amount of juvenile crime. Are
you seeing it loosening up a little bit in that
the deputies are allowed to go out there and you know,
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catch the bad guys versus how it was four years ago.
Speaker 6 (31:25):
Yeah, I tell you, I wake up every morning and
see the work that's done by our third shift deputies.
We still have We're continuously attempting to stop vehicles that
are fleeing from us. We're involved arresting in you know,
sixteen seventeen year olds and stolen cars that are breaking
into cars. We had contact with an individual two weeks
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ago breaking into breaking them into a hotel parking lot,
breaking in some cars. We had a small short chase
with him. A week later he was involved in a
arm car jacking with shops fired, ended up down in
Grove City. That are first Ship deputies we're involved with.
Speaker 5 (32:01):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (32:02):
We're still continuing to see it, but you know, we
we have the sheriff Ballwins made a commitment. Uh, I've
talked to him. We're going to start doing these monthly operations.
When the weather starts to break here, Operation Unity is
going to be back in full swing. You'll be a
part of that. As you know, we we have a
collaborative we do every year in the spring up in
up in Clinton Township to try to make a difference
in a twelve hour period. You know, we're we're seeing
(32:24):
a lot more, a lot more activity out there when
it comes to the juveniles. You are correct, and you
know it's a it's a it's a full circle type thing.
I mean We're we're going to continue to keep doing
what we have to do to present these cases and
bring things forward. Uh in the hopes that we can
we can, we can try to make a difference. But
the car break ins and the juvenile crime has not stopped.
It has still continued, and unfortunately it keep it. It
(32:45):
keeps our deputies on all three shifts, UH in the
suburban agencies very very busy. Uh here in Franklin County.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Well, Chief, I appreciate you so much calling in today,
and and I want to I know we're friends and
work together out there, but really, the hats off to you,
I mean not You're not just a chief that sits
back in some office, but you are the hugest advocate
for the men and women out there. And it makes
me smile because you lead by example.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
And there's there's so many.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Times I'm working or I've worked in the Ohio State
Games and I hear you know, Chief one, I have
an arrest.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Or a Chief one, I'll be out with a violator. Yeah,
this is the chief.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
I mean true, he could he could justify sitting back
in an office and pushing paper, but he is out
there amongst his men and women exactly what they do.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
He is and that's that's what I love about the chief.
I'm appreciative of that.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
Well, I appreciate it. I attribute a lot to my dad.
You know, I'm just a cop happened to be a rank.
I'm very blessed by having the opportunity under the sheriff
to still be able to go out and you know,
thirty two years I've been doing this job, very passionate
about it. But you know, the TA kudos goes out
to the guys that have to do it every single
day and continue to work in and do the best,
(34:01):
hardest job, hardest job in America. I know you've heard
that quote from retired Commander Bob Meter. It is the
hardest job in America. And yes, you know, I want
to thank you and your show and your efforts. You
guys continuously support pushing out the importance of supporting law enforcement.
And you know, if there's one, if there's a listener
out there today, if they run into a police officer,
please walk up to them, let them know that you
(34:22):
appreciate what they're doing and thank them because it is
the hardest job in America. Thanks what you guys are.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Doing Yeah, we appreciate a chief and that hey, don't
forget my number.
Speaker 2 (34:30):
When that Operation Unity comes around here again, oh.
Speaker 6 (34:33):
We'll be we'll be including you and the many other
partners out there. So we're looking forward to it. So
God bless you, guys, God bless you.
Speaker 1 (34:39):
The sounds great that Chief Gilbert, chief of sheriff. It's
just awesome. I mean, you can't say enough good things.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
And it's relatively rare that a chief would be out there.
They can arrestle. I mean maybe in a small town
of like four people or something, you know, but he's
he's out there.
Speaker 1 (34:55):
It's almost comical at times, Jac because we'll be working
and I mean, his call signs are obvious. She won
I know who it is, and I'm like, he's on
an accident scene. He's I mean, it's not it's not
something you see all the time, and it's just an attribute.
And that's why that's why he is. Uh, he's such
an advocate for his people because he sees her firsthand.
(35:17):
He can be out he's out there on the street.
He sees what they're seeing.
Speaker 3 (35:20):
And so I mean, so fortunates, all right, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right now, guys, let's jump to a break and we
come back on the other side.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We're gonna talk about the AMMO of the week. Uh
j C.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
By the time you're done explaining this, I think I'm
gonna end up buying.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Up a couple of boxes myself. We're on talking.
Speaker 1 (35:37):
You should broadcasting Life from the Students of l APD
Farms arranged.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
We'll be right back Jac.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
You know, La, she must have my saying she I
think she's tapped into my.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Playlist.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
So yeah, she does just an outstanding job.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Ellen, do you have my phone's playlist? I just I.
Speaker 5 (35:57):
Try to find like something relativelatively law enforcement related, and
so I mean, I've been through all of them. I'm
scraping the bottom of the barrel now. But I thought, hey, nineteen,
if you're hitting on a nineteen year old, that's legal,
so the cops don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
Yeah, all right, Well then.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
You bring that old school part back to which I like.
So welcome back to on Target. I'm your host, Derek
joined today. We have JC sitting beside me, and of
course Ella working all the controls back at the station.
So fortunate to have her back there helping us out too. Guys,
no Gun of the Week this week, but something came
in this week that was unique. We haven't seen it. Actually,
(36:35):
I haven't seen it since probably the beginning of my
law enforcement career, and at the time it was in
thirty eight caliber. What we got in this week was
a few cases of federal nine melimeter. Okay, comment so far,
one fifteen grain JC. Nothing fancy so far, Jack get
a hollow point.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
But it is plus P plus, so plus B plus
was relatively relatively rare. I've seen it upon occasion, but
it's only because that they only sell these two law
enforcement agencies the plus P plus, So if they have
an overrun, some they're allowed to sell, you know, to
(37:14):
liquidate these. And I've seen them in gun shows, but
very very rarely so when they talk about plus P
for those, there's an organization, big organization SAMMY, the Sporting
Arms and Ammunitions Manufacturing Institute that controls the maximum pressures
of rounds of guns. So you don't have somebody put
in making some of the extra powder around. You put
(37:36):
it into an old gun that shoots. Matter of fact,
the nine milimeter came out in nineteen oh two.
Speaker 2 (37:43):
That's how old.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
The card triage is you put it in something like
that high pressure, you could damage your gun. So they
control that. So but some people like the police force, said, hey,
we need extra extra penetrating power, we need extra force,
We should a little bit longer distances and to defend ourselves.
So they came up with plus P and that plus
B means extra pressure and it normally adds around, you know,
(38:04):
about three thousand and thirty five hundred pounds of pressure,
so ins seat of a thirty five thousand, which is standard,
it jumps it up to like thirty eight five So
extra pressure meaning more force and more penetration and more
stopping power. But for law enforcement sometimes they even need
more than that. So when they had the plus plus
P plus it adds another thirty five hundred on that.
(38:27):
That's a twenty percent increase over what a standard one is.
So this extra and they don't want that out there
for everyone. It takes it to the limit of what
a case and a gun can pretty much handle. And
so anyway they have this, and we happen to have
what about how many.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
Few cases a lot about but forty dollars a box,
which actually for a box of fifty.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
Defense and you just can't walk in and go, hey,
give me some plus P plus and you said, okay,
you get it from your department.
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Right.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
In fact, the departments have to actually sign that they
this is what they're going to have and that they're
responsible for, and if anything happens bad to their guns,
well it's on them and not on the manufacture.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
So it's it's powerful stuff.
Speaker 3 (39:11):
Forty two thousand psi out of a plus piece.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
So what guns can take it? I mean, what are
you what's comfortable in shooting that in?
Speaker 3 (39:18):
Well, I wouldn't shoot in as a steady diet number one.
You're gonna have a lot more recoil when you have
a lot more force. It Actually, well we'll put it
out there at around depending on the length about you know,
fourteen hundred feet per second out of a out of
a wow, out of.
Speaker 4 (39:38):
A four inch barrel.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Actually they got it out of a three eighty three
point one inch barrel.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
They got that out of a Ruger.
Speaker 3 (39:44):
Of nine millimeters subcompact. And they're saying, yeah, and so
anytime you can get that kind of power, which is
a lot of a lot of force, but it's rare
and for those of us who like kind of things
that are rare and unusual not and you want to
shoot it and you have it in a round or
two on a modern gun.
Speaker 4 (40:02):
Matter of fact, what.
Speaker 3 (40:03):
They tested on was as it used, it was say
two to six, and they said, well, of course we
expect that to hold up to right. So so you
wouldn't want to go pull out your luger, uh, your
grandpa's luger from you know, nineteen fifteen and stick in
a plus P plus.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
Factors specifically say that they're okay to use it, I mean,
or is that they don't.
Speaker 4 (40:23):
So here's what's.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Regulated again the sporting arm unitions, They said, okay, here's what.
Here's what a regular nine millimeter thirty five thousand psi
and then plus P.
Speaker 4 (40:32):
They regulate that.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
So you could add another thirty five hundred feet per
second and they regulate that. They don't regulate the plus
P plus. They just said, look, that's kind of on you.
But NATO has set the standard for their submachine guns
of forty two thousand psi. So that's what the plus
P plus is regulated four for America.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Now, so plus.
Speaker 1 (40:56):
If you buy it every now and then we see
boxes of nine milimeters NATO, is that at forty two
or it could it could be.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
It could be so just because I don't think they
matter of fact, I'm pretty positive that they don't shoot
that in all of their handdouns. That's not what they're
what they're looking for. But if they're looking for extra
power out of a out of a machine gun nine millimeters,
then they have to penetrate more and that could be
a very good defensive round. But the fact is you
(41:25):
can't get the stuff. So if you want something that
you normally can't get, we have some and.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
It's by federal and they do use that forty.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
Two thousand maximum because that's the NATO maximum, But since
it's not regulated by Sammy, it's kind of it could
come out there.
Speaker 4 (41:41):
And how about it.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
I mean, we thought, in these pistol caliber carbings like
the one we have here, we have a denial defense.
We talked to them. They didn't say, oh, shoot thousands
of rounds to it, but they said, hey, it should
be fine with it should be and you know the
things that might occur during a steady diet or I
think is a firing pan or wanted the pan or something.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
But more pressure is more force. I mean, you know
you have, it's all physics. Whatever comes out one end,
the same force is coming back at you. So you
can expect an increased recoil, but increase pressure around.
Speaker 4 (42:14):
The barrel where you're doing that.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
And if you do like lots and that's all you
want to shoot, you're probably gonna change your barrel occasionally.
But the round itself out of a sixteen inch barrel
what you're talking about, and this is what the police wanted.
They used to use the revolvers three fifty seven and
that revolves kind of went on style, and then they
went into the semi automatic and they said, yeah, we
(42:36):
have some automatic, but what we really we want the
power of that three fifty seven magnum. So that is
what the plus P plus does. It takes your your
fifteen round magazine that you have a nine millimeter and
give you fifteen rounds of the power of a three
fifty seven magnum. You know, it recoils like in a
three fifty seven magnum most Oh, that's what it is.
So out of a sixteen inch barrel, you're getting sixteen
(42:57):
hundred and fifty feet per second, and used the one
fifteen they want the maximum velocity because that puts it
up a pound of force, just really off it.
Speaker 2 (43:07):
Off the truck.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
So JC like myself and my good buddy Steve like
to say, or you could just carried three pt seven
sig like I do, and you get that every day.
Speaker 2 (43:17):
Right, Well, that's that's true.
Speaker 3 (43:18):
It's pretty click bick yeah, because that's a forty Yeah,
that's a forty case neck down to three fifty seven
sig And yeah, you get that, like you said, every day.
But for those who want to the nine millimeter and
that we'll fit right into your nine millimeter gun, yep uh.
And out of a out of a out of a
sixteen nighte barrel, you're getting like sixteen hundred and fifty
feet per second. That's moving out of one hundred and
(43:40):
fifteen and it's got energy up to yan yang. That's
more powerful actually than the three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 4 (43:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
So guys, thanks for spending I don't know where this
last hour win. It seems to go by super quick.
Thanks to Chief Gilbert.
Speaker 2 (43:51):
For calling in. And we have some of the Samuel here.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
And you find it for sale and you can get
it here legally.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Next week there is going to be my log that
you're not gonna want to miss. I've already started working
on that one and much much more. Be safe out there,
stop buy and visit us anytime, and as always, let's
be careful out there.
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