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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Joe Biden so famously said, just put shots through the
front door and the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Will go away.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Man, I'm gonna miss that lying dog face pony Soldier
and his sidekick corn Pop. But anyways, there's so much
more to the modern day shotgun, and specifically the semi
auto shotguns, and today we talk about that and if
you need one in your home, and then we have
news all that and much much more on Target is
next after noon.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to talking.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms Range
and Training Facility that's located at nine at.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Triple nine Bethel.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Road, right there off three point fifteen, just west of
three fifteen, west of micro Center before the underpass.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Is that good enough you?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I mean that's just pretty much how it is less
than a block away from when the chase ended this week,
if you that's your reference point.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So, yeah, we heard about that. It was all over
the fifteen cruisers.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah that's we were ready, JC, we were ready for me.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It just happened right up here, just a couple of
hundred yards away.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So yeah, that is that is right. Jac.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
For some reason today I kind of want to talk.
I mean, there's so much to talk about. It's not
even guns.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I kind of want to talk about the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I got you got the highest teak game, and there's
so much And I John, I don't know if I
I don't know when we talked last about this, but
I had a unique opportunity this week to sit through
an FBI presentation from.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Where they debriefed the Butler Pa assassination attempt on President Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And I tell you what there was, U man, there
were some some really interesting facts to it.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't think they're out there quite yet, but it is.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's interesting to hear it, and it is bone chilling
to hear the radio.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Traffic during it. It was it was.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Scary, I mean it to listen to how it went down.
I mean you just wow, we were so close to
losing him, so close, so close.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you kind of gave me a little briefing of it.
I believe there are some surprises in there, so yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. Well, guys, we are the owners
of l EPED Firearms Range and Training Facility Interactive in
law enforcement, but for one hour on Saturdays, we put
together a group of firearm experts to discuss new products
in the market, training tips, and oftentimes political topics surrounding
the Second Amendment. Our commitment, though, has always been to
bring you facts about our industry and help listeners and
customers with safe, responsible ownership of firearms. Guys, Today on
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the show, we have JC in the news that is
coming up. Soretly there are some some potentially big news.
You know, you think that now that President Trump is is,
you know, getting sworn in on Monday, that the Second
Amendment maybe is no longer you know in in uh,
you know, no threats to it, not necessarily the case
in case. We're seeing, uh, we're seeing some things that
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are a little bit a little bit uh.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Scary on that regards.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But one piece of good news, think is that last well,
actually less than twenty four hours or right about twenty
four hours ago, Governor Dwine announced that John Houston is
gonna be our next senator for Ohio. So we know
he's very pro Second Amendment. Exchange some course spondus with
him last night. You know, he's committed to supporting the
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Second Amendment. He always has been a friend of the show.
It happened just a little bit too quick to get
him on today, but you know, we're going.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
To talk about it in a little bit. We're gonna
need him in there standing up for.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
The Second Amendment rights and stuff. So congratulations to our
friend John Houstead.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And so.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That voice you hear, that's the voice of JC. He's
sitting to my left. Is today is just JC and me. Now, John,
You know I usually go and I say, okay, Dad
left the building which he had, But there was a
picture circular I'm going to show you John, And unfortunately
for those listening and those on Facebook, you're gonna be
able to see it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But John, do you know what that is a picture of?
Can you can you describe what that is a picture of?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, it looks to me like a.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What does he say? That is?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That is cousin Eddie? That is otherwise noting my father
washing his truck.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That's what I saw.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's what I looked out there in.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The parking lot of this store at eight thirty this morning.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Nothing so parked right against our sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes, yeah, bucket of soap and water.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And so we're thinking about having that as an offering,
you know, pre Saturday morning before we open.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You come, Paul, Paul can wash your car for yeah, car.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Usually can you know he doesn't take much, I mean
a couple of donuts and stuff. And speaking of donuts, John,
speaking of jonuts. This is a little bit preliminary, but
it's worth mentioning. As you many of you know, we
had a coffee shop here. There's a test car building
in our complex. Unfortunately, they went out of business at
the end of December, but but there is a new
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one coming in. We're not one hundred percent sure of
the name they're gonna use yet. It's going to be
a coffee shop. And kind of one of the neat
things is they make donuts and it's kind of a
unique donut and I had I had to take dat
away from the negotiation table because he had it set
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up where he gets four donuts a day and the
rent wasn't much, so I mean, but nonetheless, really really
good donuts. And I'm sure she'll bring some into us
to try, so that's something to know.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
We wait for that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, very very good.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So we're excited to have them there and we'll tell
you more. I bet you within the month, I bet
you we see them up and running. So they're existing,
an existing business who never had a storefront, and so
this is a great opportunity for him to have a storefront,
great coffee, great donuts, kind of a unique twist on
the donut and we'll see, right which could be be
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bad news for us if it's good donuts.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Or or an activity right now, so there you go,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So, after Jac does some news, we're gonna talk about
you know, let's what, we give a little bit of
a Shot Show preview of stuff that we knew was coming.
Now it's sitting on our table. So we're gonna go
over briefly some of the things now that we can
hold them on our hands and talk about those and.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Held off on Shot Show till after the big Buckeye game.
So this is the day after on Tuesdays when Shot
Show starts this year, that in the Las Vegas and
it's the largest uh firearms exposition and show for coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So it'll be Jac and I and I know, I know,
I'm a I'm a Caltech fanboy. Yeah yeah, there, I'm
not gonna say it yet, but in the next segment
they just release that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They are they are innovators.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm not saying it's the best gun out there. I'm
not saying it's for everyone, but man Kelgrin and the
guys over there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's amazing that they come up with.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
And and the price point is that, yes, just because
it is less expensive doesn't mean that it's cheap. That
it's just some of the things I've come up with
are absolutely amazing. Joy was the head. I think you're
still associated with it, just so's taking over now, but
amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah. Absolutely.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
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there and of course on YouTube and Facebook as long
as they don't take us down. And one last thing
DC before we get to news, Ed who's usually here
with us, he is I think you know he said
he was a little under the weather.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I think he's under the covers today. It's so cold out.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
There, you know, so it's maybe practicing for the real
cold weather. That's just watch my driveway turn into a
shoot of ice here in the next couple of days.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the Chicago update, and I don't know what happened
this week in Chicago, but these numbers are kind of exploded.
I mean, some say it's a killer week in Chicago.
They are now for the year, up to twenty two
homicides this year, and we're on was it the nineteenth today?
Eighteenth eighteen? Yeah, and seventy eight people shot. We're gonna
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be hitting one hundred before we know it. That's crazy,
the number of people shot.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And the reason we highlight this people ask, you know
why you talk about Chicago numbers because they are one
of the most anti gun cities, and it just proves
the point that they are so wrong in the correlation
between not having legal gun owners be able to own
firearms and crime.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I mean, it's just an example of where gun laws
aren't really you know, the source of the crime and
the cause of the crime are preventing the crime. Have
the strictest gun laws and one of the highest crime rates.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's right, that's right, Jase. What do you have for us?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh, there's just there's a lot of news, and well,
let me start out with some some good ones right off.
The didn't get to this last week, but the National
Shooting Sports Foundation just released its adjusted background checks for
firearm sales for December, and it topped one point six
million firearms sold at retail in December. So this is
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the sixty fifth month in.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
A row where there were above.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
A million firearms sales for the month. So think about that.
That's you know, five years and five months of above
every month. So and then they also released the annual
So the annual total for twenty twenty four of retail
firearm sales was fifteen point two million firearms sold in
the United States at retail. So and actually it brings
(09:45):
out the estimate to about five hundred and yeah, yeah,
there we go, right, five hundred and eighteen million firearms
are now and that only echoes back to nineteen hundred,
so you do there's a lot of stuff out there
from before that anyway, So that's pretty good. We're going
to touch on this, but as a preview, just the
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National Shooting Sports Foundation also released its most recent firearm
production figures. This is so the detailed there are always
two years behind, so they're releasing it for twenty twenty two.
And if any manufacturer even makes one firearm, they listed
what the caliber, what it is, where they are, and
so it's very detailed, and we'll hit that in more
detailed definitely. All right. We had another story from last
(10:28):
week that I think is really important. The Chief Justice
of the Supreme Court of the United States of America,
John Roberts, warned that the United States must maintain judicial
independence in his annual Report of the Federal Judiciary. You
know there's a legislative branch, executive branch, and judicial brands. Well,
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somehow the Democrats senators in the legislative branch think that
they should control the Supreme Court. And his warning comes
after basically, particularly US Democratic senators, have attacked the Court
when decisions didn't go their way. So he said to
report what was because it's not the nature of judicial
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work to make everyone happy. Most cases have a winner
and a loser. Chief Justice Roberts wrote, within the past
few years, however, elected officials across the political spectrum, mostly
the Democrats, have raised the specter of open disregard for
federal court rulings, and he said they have just the
Democrats have attacked the Court and in such ways that
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they're kind of influencing some of the lower level courts
to disregard what Supreme Court issues have been like, especially
with the Bruin.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Decisions especially, I mean cities, cities now just whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Its like Hawaii, Yeah, we were here before the United
States was here, so we have the aloha spirit, so
we don't really care what you guys do way over there.
It's and this is just this is a really a
big issue for us. Okay, well, then we have a
couple things that aren't good news. Speaking of the Supreme Court,
(12:09):
I'll go to that one. Next. Scotus just rejected a
couple of Second Amendment cases, but then it relisted a
couple of more. So when I say rejected, we thought
this was going to be a big deal. On this
just happened this last Monday. They denied petitions for Sir
(12:29):
TiO Rory in two cases, the Maryland Shall Issue versus
More case and then the Gray versus Jennings case. So
in the Maryland case, the Maryland case challenged handgun purchasing
licensing requirements. So in Maryland they passed a law saying
before you can even purchase any handgun no matter who
you are, you have to have several hours of pre
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approved training. They have a training scut up. You got
to pay for that and it's pretty lengthy. You have
to pay for fingerprinting. Then there's these fees that you
have to pay. We talked to in California were to
get a concealed carry. Some of the cities were charging
thirteen hundred dollars to get a permit, but that's maybe
not case in Maryland. But they also have to do
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an extensive background check that can take up to a
month to complete, in addition to the regular federal check
that you would have to do again once you purchased
a firearm. So they brought that case up and they
looked at it and said, yeah, we're not going to
deal with that. So basically it's probably not going to
come up again for a while. That's a really serious
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issue because that could catch on to a lot of
the Blue states. The second one was a prom It
was a case against Delaware. So Delaware has banned sales
on what they determined assault weapons, which is a huge
list of folk and they also have banned any magazines
over seventeen rounds, so they'll accept the clock seventeen, the
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G seventeen, which hold seventeen rounds, but anything above seventeen
rounds they have banned that. This came up and I thought,
here's a really big case we were counting on. But
what they looked at was it was brought about because
there was a they requested. The plaintiffs requested a preliminary
injunction ban because the state's issue said, wow, before it
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comes to court, we're going to do a preliminary injunction
on it. And they goes, wow, wha, whoa, whoa, it's unconstitutional,
so let it go through until the courts decide, and
they just said no, so they're going to let courts
continue with preliminary injunctions before things go and they dropped.
They didn't even address anything about the actual firearms band.
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So those were two really bad ones. However, they did
leave the possibility open to take some higher profile cases.
We've talked in the past about Snope versus Brown, and
the issue there was whether the constitution permits the State
of Maryland to ban semi automatic rifles that are in
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common use for lawful purposes, including our most popular rifle
in America on the AR fifteen platform. So that's an
outright ban and that they they are considering whether to
take that. And the second one is the Ocean State
Tacticle versus Rhode Island, where Rhode Island has banned large
capacity magazines over ten rounds. And that's a distinct one,
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distinct one. So they're looking at that to see whether
they're going to consider hearing it. But it's really really
scary because if they didn't, I mean that Supreme Court
saying that's not an issue, and we don't, and so we're.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Right, we're really that has a tremendous impact and we
really need to deal with this and go on because
it keeps looming in the background.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
He see, let's jump to a break.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
When we come back on the other side, I know
we have a little bit more news, and there's actually
one other Scotist case they're going to hear recently. You
probably haven't heard of a kind of not necessarily gun related,
but kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Law enforcement relator.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
We'll talk about that, and we're going to get to
our new segment to JC this new statement. Let me
see what it's called again. Oh, it's called WTF with JC.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That and much much more.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We're on talking broadcasting live from the studios of LPD
fires Arrange.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We'll be back right after the break. Wow. I told
Ella to find something presidential and this.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Is She did a great job. This is good.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's going to be a great day to stay in
bed because you got the inauguration, you got the highest
state game. I mean, geez, I tell you guys, we
are on target. We're broadcasting live from the studios of
LPD Firearms Range and Training Facility that is located at
nine nine nine Triple nine Bethel Road.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We were talking a little bit about news JC.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Before you get to more of your news, I want
to say one scootis case that they're going to listen.
This is something that's probably not in your radar or
on the radar of many listeners. But as Barnes versus Felix,
ring a bell, Yeah, ring a bell at.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
All I have heard, but I'm not so this.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Case has potential huge, huge ramifications in the law enforcement community.
As we've talked about numerous times in this show, a
lot of what longmant and their actions whether are based
upon are a case from the eighties Grand versus Connor,
and it basically says that an officer's actions have to
be judged not by twenty twenty hindsight, but by what
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another officer would have done in that exact scenario.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Was the action to that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Officer reasonable considering all the circumstances at hand.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And that's what is taught in the academies. I mean,
that is what is ingrained into law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
This case, Barnes versus Felix, has the potential to upend
that and I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm not sure if it's good or bad.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It really is based on based on a case where
an officer shot and killed a suspect. And what the
court's going to decide is whether the moment of threat doctrine.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
This is a doctrine that some.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Other lower courts have started to adopt, the moment of
theat threat doctrine, if that's something that should be instilled
upon law enforcement. Basically, what that says is it doesn't
look at the totality of the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It looks at the moment of threat.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So if that officer is on the hood of the
car and the car is moving at that moment, can
could be justified that the officer fired his or her
gun to stop the threat the moment of threat without
looking at the totality of the circumstances. So it's going
to be interesting. It potentially has huge ramifications in the
law enforcement community. Even as much that the case right
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here in Columbus, the Jason Mead case, which we know
was a hung jury last year and they vowed to
retry it just got pushed back, pinning the decision of
this case. So, uh, stay tuned for that. I'm sure
we'll talk about that more kind of on an on target.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Law and order. It is going to make a huge,
huge difference.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, it has the potential.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
What else, Jasey, there's something about you know, we talked
about the threat of the Second Amendment is still not gone.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
We talk about the potential ag we.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Talked about what the Supreme Court just a did not
hear and passed on. We'll see what happens on that
in the future. But this is one that you know, God,
my goodness, you know, we'd love the president what's going
to happen nowhere and mister nice guy. But it does
leave some openings and I actually what a lot of
the folks who are really big in the firearms industry
(19:18):
and the attorneys that are there. They said, the Trump's
ages confirmation hearing is bad news for gun rights advocates.
So what does that mean? And we'll talk about that.
So on Wednesday, Donald Trump's attorney general pick, who was
Pam Bondie, And of course Trump lives in Florida. She
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was the Florida AG when he was president. And also
she was a Florida AG when that horrible tragedy at
Parkland at the high school where the deranged kid came
in and ended up killing like seventeen people. I mean,
it was horrid and that's what happened. So as a
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result of that, she made some decisions, and she asked
me said in the hearing that these decisions that she
made back then are what really brought her to the
forefront of gun control and gun legislation. So even though
she said three times she goes, let me say this
is her quote, and let me say, I'm the pro
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Second Amendment. I've always been pro Second Amendment, and I'm
an advocate for the Second Amendment. But I will enforce
the laws of the land, which, being over the Attorney
General gives her a lot of a lot of power.
As a matter of fact, she will be the one
who oversees the FBI and also the ATF in her
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views on gun policy. Also because it's as the Attorney
General what cases that she will decide to actually pursue
in relation to gun cases that are coming up, so
that the Apartment of Justice approach of you know, she's
going to be leading that. So when she had her
interview for the confirmation hearing, she was asked about her
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support for new gun registration, of gun apartment restrictions pardon me,
restrictions when she was a Florida AG during that Parkland Well,
the things that the troubling thing was is that the
only ones that were asking questions were the Democratic senators,
especially from California, because she made some decisions back then
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that a lot of people were really concerned about. For example,
she was there, she backed a new red flag law
for Florida. She backed bumpstock band that wasn't involved in
that shooting in Parkland, and she put a ban on
commercial sales of guns from to eighteen to twenty year
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olds can't purchase any fires still stands today, right, Yeah,
So he records a mixed bag, and they said one
of the things that was the most disturbing is not
a single Republican senator asked Bondi about her background on
guns or how she may handle of what's been going
on with the ATF and and the rest of it.
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And they said, none of that but Gunners of America,
which kind of is replaced right now NRA. As far
as having a big voice in the guns, they just
said they gave a warning saying that she has a
Second Amendment problem. So what they're saying is that her
selection may be a bad sign for political potency for
gun rights movement. So also, I guess one last thing,
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she has to appoint the new director of the ATF.
And she said in her quote with the New York
Times report just last month, she said she wanted to
appoint a relatively non ideological replacement for Detleback to fulfill
the campaign's law and order promises.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So definitely seth and we got to keep tabs on
in I mean, I hope it dtality of the administration.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
We'll keep that in check. I think I like her. Otherwise,
I'm cautiously guarded though a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
JC.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
We gotta jump to the bottom of in our news.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
When we come back on the other side, we're gonna
talk a little bit about some new items that walked
in the door, and of course semi auto shotguns whether
they're right for you. Wrong Target broadcasting live from the
studios EARLYPD Firearms arranged.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
We'll be back after the news. Welcome back to on Target.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
We're gonna get two shotguns here shortly, but first I
want to do a quick segment that we like to
call WTF and JC.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What's that mean?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Of course everyone knows that w twof what's that firearm?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And that is that's exactly what you said last week
when we talked about the new car X nine coming out.
Car Arms has been a very well respected manufacturers there
for a long time. Typically a single stack magazine. They
have the X nine now double stack. We have it
here in person. Prices aren't bad. I think it hangs
around that four hundred dollars mark. What's very unique about it, John, though,
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as you see here you have it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Double start here and it not as it come with
its own ten rounds, so it's a ten plus one
double stack. But they've engineered it to take magazines from
other This happens to be the Hellcat right bringfield Hellcat magazine,
and this one is a thirteen plus and then with
plus one and it just pops right in there. As
a matter of fact, the first thing I'd probably do
(24:21):
is put that one aside and buy a couple of these.
And it actually fits the hand really well.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But believe it or not, the C three sixty five
mag locked in a little bit more difficult. I don't
know if it's intended to be, but it certainly has
some versatility to the gun. It is here now if
you want to stop buy and check it out. It's sharp,
I mean, it's a nice gun. It's probably a little
bit wider than the FN Reflex and stuff, but it
is still a certainly a nice option.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you're a nice concealed Carrol.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Version and yeah, with very similar Oh and it also
is ready for an optic too, So that's at that price,
that's a that's a very good yes.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Next thing I want to talk about about FN FN Reflex.
We've been very big on that. I have one myself,
Pap has one. We've sold a lot here at this store.
They just came out with the Reflex x L a
little bit bigger barrel, a little bit bigger up and
they came out alongside that with eighteen round mags.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So if you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
A little bit of the magazine we've talked about this,
maybe time to I know, I love my car because
of its accuracy.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yep. So those are both here for sale.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
The other thing last week, and I'll tell you what
talk about hitting the ground running. We talked last August
about Daniel Defense coming out with a pistol caliber carbing.
We have the pistol in stocks that has the arm
brace on it, probably ten inch barrel or something like that.
We did have the SBR so same gun with a stock.
It sold the same day we got it. We have
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a couple of the pistols left and JC right there
in front of you on the table.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
We have the rifle version version.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's spectacular.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, and Daniel Defense top top of the line. That's
absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
If you've been in the market for a pistol caliber carbing,
we have them all here right now at the moment.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like I said, they're sharp, they are super super sharp.
Something else that Jac, we talked about the glock light.
You know what I stand corrected, I kind of gave
the poop poo on the light last week.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Okay, another light. It's kind of neat.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
If you've seen their former attempts. I mean I didn't
even realize that. I guess they're so clunky. People really
Disglock for having the gun that they do, with the
crappy light that they had on it. I mean, it's
just bulky, and it wasn't and that was the fa
that one's back from twenty ten. Well, now that's a
long time ago. So now they've come up with the
very streamlined we talked about it. I wasn't so certain
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because of the past, but this is really kind of neat.
And what this does is it locks on on its own.
It looks like I just turned it on, so but
by touching it, but it locks on with the pin.
So you push the pin out, it fits right on there.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It actually is the glock tool and it comes with it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, and it just locks on when you push the
pin in, so there's no screws to tighten anything like that.
And the battery is easy to change of from without
taking the light off. And it's a six hundred lumen
which I just blinded myself with seconds ago, and It
comes with two options of how you want to activate it,
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and you make that decision. It comes with the pieces.
You can either do a side activation with a left
right handed if that's why you want to do it,
or you can push it from behind.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, and it's your choice.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You set it up that way, and it's really the
nice thing is nice about it. It's the same width
of the firearm, so it doesn't hang out on the
side and stuff. Only thing and we're still we're still
waiting to confirm this is I'm not sure about the
holster selection. We tried a couple. It's fit in some
holsters that were calling for I think the tail are
seven light.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It didn't fit in some others. So I haven't heard
what the you know, you hope that there's not a
whole nother hoster line for that.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
So, but that is at first glance, it's not very streamlined,
very easy to turn on and off.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I just found out now j C.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
The last thing, the last thing, and unfortunately this is
not here because if it was here, I would have
bought it cel Tech. I don't I mean talk about stuff.
It's you don't know you need until they tell it
to you. You know, for a long time, I've been
a fanboy of the five to seven round, and for
a long time I said, why why don't they make
a compact five seven? Well, lo and behold at Celtech
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just announced And actually, JC, I didn't tell you this.
I just got an email. It's shipping first quarter a
five seven compact pistol.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
They're calling it the D game first quarter or you're
talking about okay.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
All right, that would be good, but no, the p
R five seven. It's unique. Unique, So j C tell
us what one makes you unique?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Number one? It's small enough to carry on concealed carry
the five to seven. We'll get this. It doesn't have
a detachable magazine. The magazine is internal, but it holds
twenty rounds of five to seven and you load it
basically with a kind of like a stripper clip. It
comes with two ten round inserts, so you just stick
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it in, push them down in. You don't have a
magazine change per se. You can carry next to ten
rounds if you want in the flat, but twenty rounds
of five to seven. And the interesting thing when you
look at do you wonder what's going on with the
barrel has a rotating barrel, but it locks up on
the slide so when the slides retracted, which I saw
a picture of it and went, what is going on there?
There are ten little lugs around the end of the
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barrel that lock into the end of the slide. But
it's rotating so that should reduce some of the recoil.
It is small, twenty round internal magazine and five to seven.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Now to catch jac do you think that internal magazine?
So a non detachable magazine?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Is that done? Looking at some of these states who
always say we're.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Banning the semile with detachable magazines, and we're looking and
we're saying, man, every gun has the detachable magazine except
for the Celtech.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I don't know with the engineering that they do. And
I'm a big Celtic fan, have several of them. They've
always been great. But you're right, I mean, that's what's
the thing. So now, hey, no detachable magazine. Now how
about twenty rounds of five to seven that you can
carry in your pocket? That's uh, I'm excited about this,
really am. And the price is uh, you know, is
(30:30):
really really reasonable like all of their I think it's
going to be uh four nine, that's what I saw
the was the retail manufacturer suggested retail yep.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And so just to what as we're going to jump
to a break because we come back, we're going to
talk about specifically SEMII to shotguns. It was a request
from one of our listeners, and we're going to get
right to that right after the break. On Talk got
broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms and Range.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Will be back shortly. All right, JC, we can swap
out that Daniel there with the one you have on
the ground.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We could do an hour show just on now.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
We should do an hour show on the shotguns. Guys,
welcome back to On Target. We are broadcasting live from
the studios of LAPD Firearms Arrange. For the rest of
the show. Here we are going to get to what
one of our listeners asked for, and that was can
you talk about semi auto shotguns and specifically ones that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Are magazine fed? And I said, Jac, you know what,
we hadn't talked about that for a while. There's a
lot of neat things out there.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You spent the last probably twelve hours, and not only
did you spend twelve hours of researching it, you said,
you know what I like this one so much?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Can you order me this one?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yep? So you know first hand, which was not listening.
She's at a funeral service, so I can say that.
So yes, I ordered one.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yes, perfect, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, guys, the shotgun, for many, many years has
been a wonderful defensive tool, has been a good hunting
tool for civilians military le alike. And it really, I
mean it's it's good because it stops the threat. It
really does by a lot of regards. I wouldn't want
to be in front. I would more likely want to
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be in front of an ar platform than a shotgun.
I mean is because of the deadliness of it, especially
at close range. So today we're going to talk about
semi auto shotguns and John, I guess we should start
by saying, why on earth would you consider a semiato
over a pump? I mean, pumps are considered to be
more reliable. Why am I gonna look at a semiato shotgun?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Because they are reliable? As I was telling the audience here,
the very first semi automatic shotgun offered in the United
States of America was made by John Browning was released
in nineteen oh nine, and it is the most reliable
shotgun right off the bat as matter of fact, the
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more mod versions. It was almost manufacturer for one hundred years.
They just stopped. But the last manufacturer guaranteed one hundred
and fifty thousand rounds without a jam with them, and
that was the very first one. So they are reliable.
Magazine fed ones now are really really, really improving because
there you've introduced something new. It's not just springs pushing
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out of a tube and loading, which is a nicer.
Now you've got to deal with magazines, magazine lips, followers,
the same thing we we deal with. But they're really
coming along. So but a shotgun automatic, it reduces recoil
by at least thirty percent. Some of them they said
you can actually hold. I saw videos a guy shooting
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it with one hand and the rise was very little
with twelve gauge and it was three bucks, so it
wasn't some peepee load. And so they have really, really,
really come a long way.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And wow, and there's so many out there, and there's
so many choices. I think I think part of what
gives them a bad rap and that or maybe they
don't have a bad wrap up. Part of what my
perception of them not being effective or reliable. Are some
of the inexpensive ones floating around that that seemed to
be very finicky on AMO. I mean I had a
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Sega twelve for a while and that was the thing
at the time. But I tell you you had to
adjust the gas depending on low brass or high brass,
and it just wasn't I don't know, it just wasn't
practical for me.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Well, as the Virginia Slim schircial said, you've come along
with We've come a long way, baby, and that is
really the case with the shotguns. I honestly they are. Yeah,
the pump. One of the reasons that the pump is
so popular because it came out in eighteen ninety three
when when Chester first came out with that, know, the
John Brownie designed, by the way. But they're inexpensive. They've
been around forever. They're inexpensive. There is reliable as your
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arm going back and forth. But the some automatics are faster.
They are They hold you know a lot of rounds,
a lot of the once or seven plus one, and
you can even get extended tubes as you see on
a three gun competition of you know, you can get
ten twelve round extended tubes on them look awful, but
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it's it's the thing that has held them back is
the cost. They are more expensive to manufacture, and they
are expensive. As a matter of fact, an average I
would say, Uh, the ones that are that are really
good and reliable, they are around one thousand bucks. Maybe
you can get one for eight hundred. But but but
new they are, they're they're around, they're expensive, so uh,
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and some of them go up. One of the ones
that they said was the best that you could hold
with your hand with three thousand, so you know, for
a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
But there has been a.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Kind of a coming out with some of the local
uh or some of the more common manufactures. Mosburg, we
have one here. It's a used one, I mean, really
very reliable.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
And which one is that?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Jac Well, this happens to me, it's it's gonna be
a nine to forty. But let me just see if
it's it's their PROTAC And that is one of the
ones that got rated one of the best. I've been
porn over. There's so many articles I've probably spent like
twelve hours only reading about the different semi automag shotguns
and ones with magazine fed and you know what, the
advantages are reached, but the reliability is there now the
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United States military, I had no idea how long the
M four, which is a Benelli M four, It's been
in service for twenty five years. I'm going not like
I went. If you would have said fifteen years, I
would have said while. And that's what the Marines are using.
And they are as reliable as can be. They're defending
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our forces, and it's considered to be one of the
the tops. How people say it's the top, followed closely
by the Bretta thirteen one.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So if you can't so progressing up to that, the
Mossburgs are something if you want to get into it,
probably a little bit more less on the price. It's
certainly not inexpensive, but that that's an option. Remington has.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
The Remington they're still making this even surprised because I
know the company went defunct and got reorganized as rim Arms.
But they're still making the Versa, the V three, and
they still making an the Age seventy pump. But uh
the uh. I couldn't believe it, but I actually saw
the eleven hundred. They still have a remake of the
eleven hundred and the UH. I think they stopped with
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the eleven eighty seven though, well now that the VERSA
three's out, but it's still out there. I didn't even that,
didn't even know that. Very very reliable guns. Let's just
start just everything I've read as far as the non
magazine UH, the M four is considered to be like
one of the top ones, the the thirteen oh one UH,
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and they're both so Bretta owns Bonelli and owns Stoger,
so those three guns all have And then price points
goes down the line where the the M four is
around two thousand dollars and about four hundred bucks less
for the UH for the Bonelli thirteen oh one. Just
incredibly reliable soft shooting guns. But they also the Bretta
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that new one, the A three day three hundred. They
said it's just about as good. It's lighter weight, and
they really gave it as one of the strongest recommendations
for a semi automatic gun. And it's about four to
six hundred dollars less than the other, so again thousand
dollars guns. The Mosburg homegrown of the nine forty really
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big and three gun competition. It's around that same thousand
dollars price for you know, for the regular standard shotguns.
So the reliability is out there as long as you can,
you know you can. The newest thing, ye now our
magazine fed which is where are and magazine fed shotguns? Again,
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they've gotten rid of some of the reliability issues. One
of the issues that with them are they're all proprietary
magazine so they're boxing magazines. Of course, a twelve gage
shell is pretty heavy duty. The one who kicked off
is the one that you have, the Sega, the Russian
one using the AK platform. Well that's a heavy magazine.
That's a metal all steel magazine and they look huge,
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but they'll hold like ten rounds, so it's uh. And
of course they're they're they're centered, so they have a
good balance. If you used to a rifle using a magazine,
that'll fit right in for you. So they were banned
from bringing in because Russia was making them.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
So what do they do.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
There's coalition of cough us A and they are making
the the basically they're they're a K twelve, the KS twelve,
so and everything is is the same. It is a clone,
uses the same accessories, the same magazines that are out
there again a thousand dollars gun in that range, but
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you have the reliability of the AK and the newer
ones have a you know, you can put an optic
on it, pick a Tenny rail on them, and.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
They're This one that I have goes. I mean you
can load it with low brass, high grass and it
just it eat it.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's what they've done. You complained about the one, you
had to really adjust it. Now they are it just
got pretty much so GC.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I mean for those who don't want to spend a
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
We talked about Turkish shotguns and we traditionally having been
big fans, and a lot of that goes back to
COVID times where all we could get was the partest
I think was the brand at the time it was
made in Turkey. They were a pump and our gunsmith
made a career out of fixing them, and you couldn't
find parts. There were stories out there online where we're
(40:25):
behind gun stores. They were boxes of them that they
were thrown away because they couldn't find parts, they weren't working.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Not a good reputation, but.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
It started just what you said, Turkish guns Turkish guns.
Well that's not the case anymore. You know, some of
our biggest manufacturers, for example, I know it's not the
same Winchester, but Winchester all their SX models are made
in Turkey. Mosburg has two models that are made in Turkey,
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and it turns out that it depends on who is
ordering the guns, what their specifications are, and they're just
less expensive. So one of the very best one. It
was mentioned in several I'm kind of excited about it.
So in the six hundred dollar range, and it was
one of the most reliable, softest shooting and it was
our kind of our friends. When we talked to the
vice president, we had him win the show. The Rock
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Island Armory which makes the largest producer of nineteen eleven's
in the world, and what did they do. They produced
them in the Philippines because they built a factory there. Well,
the same people are building factories in Turkey because of
the labor and etc. They now they've come out with
a series called the VR series, the Rock Island Armley
(41:38):
VR series made in Turkey. This was one of the
most reliable ones. Matter of fact, it was their pick
for magazine Fed twelve gauge and it looks like in ar.
They make three different models. The one you need to
look at is the VR eighty m Lock four in
Slim comes with two five round magazines, but they offered
nine round magazines and nineteen round magazines. You saw what
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a ten round magazine looks like, so you can only
imagine what a nineteen round magazine looks like. But they
set a shot everything from the cheapest the Lake birdloads
all the way.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Up and that's Rock Island VR eighty. We don't have
any here, but we can get it.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
You can get JC.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
In their last minute here talk about the SDS imported
Mac ten fourteen.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Okay, this is great because we all know about the
M four that the Marines have been using, and it
uses a special system called the Argo system, which is
kind of self cleaning. It can go many many rounds,
which is why the military chose that well. SDS is
a company that produces their guns in Turkey, but they
have high, high standards. Matter of fact, it's made the
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cover of the latest American Riflemen and they have a clone.
Most of the parts are interchangeable with the very expensive
M four and it's called there ten fourteen and the
test it was outperformed harming some of these sixteen eighteen
hundred dollars firearms low recoil and the price is like
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in the four hundred dollars range. And uh, it's just
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
And there'll be one of those on the shelves next week.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, well I'm telling you so, but yeah, check it out,
look online and are the American riflemen cover it. It's
amazing what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Stop by and see us anytime we can help you
with that selection. Thanks for listening for the last hour. Guys,
watched the inauguration on Monday, watch the Buckeys game, and
then next Saturday, watch and listen to Ontario. We're gonna
have my buddy Richie call in talk about some of
the guns he's been handling at the auction house. So
stay warmer this week, and guys, as always has always,
(43:43):
let's be careful out there.
Joe Biden so famously said, just put shots through the
front door and the bad guy.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Will go away.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Man, I'm gonna miss that lying dog face pony Soldier
and his sidekick corn Pop. But anyways, there's so much
more to the modern day shotgun, and specifically the semi
auto shotguns, and today we talk about that and if
you need one in your home, and then we have
news all that and much much more on Target is
next after noon.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Welcome to talking.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
We're broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms Range
and Training Facility that's located at nine at.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Triple nine Bethel.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
Road, right there off three point fifteen, just west of
three fifteen, west of micro Center before the underpass.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Is that good enough you?
Speaker 1 (00:49):
I mean that's just pretty much how it is less
than a block away from when the chase ended this week,
if you that's your reference point.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
So, yeah, we heard about that. It was all over
the fifteen cruisers.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah that's we were ready, JC, we were ready for me.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It just happened right up here, just a couple of
hundred yards away.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
So yeah, that is that is right. Jac.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
For some reason today I kind of want to talk.
I mean, there's so much to talk about. It's not
even guns.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
I kind of want to talk about the inauguration.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I got you got the highest teak game, and there's
so much And I John, I don't know if I
I don't know when we talked last about this, but
I had a unique opportunity this week to sit through
an FBI presentation from.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Where they debriefed the Butler Pa assassination attempt on President Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
And I tell you what there was, U man, there
were some some really interesting facts to it.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
I don't think they're out there quite yet, but it is.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
It's interesting to hear it, and it is bone chilling
to hear the radio.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Traffic during it. It was it was.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Scary, I mean it to listen to how it went down.
I mean you just wow, we were so close to
losing him, so close, so close.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Yeah, you kind of gave me a little briefing of it.
I believe there are some surprises in there, so yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely. Well, guys, we are the owners
of l EPED Firearms Range and Training Facility Interactive in
law enforcement, but for one hour on Saturdays, we put
together a group of firearm experts to discuss new products
in the market, training tips, and oftentimes political topics surrounding
the Second Amendment. Our commitment, though, has always been to
bring you facts about our industry and help listeners and
customers with safe, responsible ownership of firearms. Guys, Today on
(02:31):
the show, we have JC in the news that is
coming up. Soretly there are some some potentially big news.
You know, you think that now that President Trump is is,
you know, getting sworn in on Monday, that the Second
Amendment maybe is no longer you know in in uh,
you know, no threats to it, not necessarily the case
in case. We're seeing, uh, we're seeing some things that
(02:54):
are a little bit a little bit uh.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Scary on that regards.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
But one piece of good news, think is that last well,
actually less than twenty four hours or right about twenty
four hours ago, Governor Dwine announced that John Houston is
gonna be our next senator for Ohio. So we know
he's very pro Second Amendment. Exchange some course spondus with
him last night. You know, he's committed to supporting the
(03:19):
Second Amendment. He always has been a friend of the show.
It happened just a little bit too quick to get
him on today, but you know, we're going.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
To talk about it in a little bit. We're gonna
need him in there standing up for.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
The Second Amendment rights and stuff. So congratulations to our
friend John Houstead.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
And so.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
That voice you hear, that's the voice of JC. He's
sitting to my left. Is today is just JC and me. Now, John,
You know I usually go and I say, okay, Dad
left the building which he had, But there was a
picture circular I'm going to show you John, And unfortunately
for those listening and those on Facebook, you're gonna be
able to see it.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
But John, do you know what that is a picture of?
Can you can you describe what that is a picture of?
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Well, it looks to me like a.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What does he say? That is?
Speaker 1 (04:06):
That is cousin Eddie? That is otherwise noting my father
washing his truck.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
That's what I saw.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
That's what I looked out there in.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
The parking lot of this store at eight thirty this morning.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Nothing so parked right against our sidewalk.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
Yes, yeah, bucket of soap and water.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
And so we're thinking about having that as an offering,
you know, pre Saturday morning before we open.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
You come, Paul, Paul can wash your car for yeah, car.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
Usually can you know he doesn't take much, I mean
a couple of donuts and stuff. And speaking of donuts, John,
speaking of jonuts. This is a little bit preliminary, but
it's worth mentioning. As you many of you know, we
had a coffee shop here. There's a test car building
in our complex. Unfortunately, they went out of business at
the end of December, but but there is a new
(04:56):
one coming in. We're not one hundred percent sure of
the name they're gonna use yet. It's going to be
a coffee shop. And kind of one of the neat
things is they make donuts and it's kind of a
unique donut and I had I had to take dat
away from the negotiation table because he had it set
(05:17):
up where he gets four donuts a day and the
rent wasn't much, so I mean, but nonetheless, really really
good donuts. And I'm sure she'll bring some into us
to try, so that's something to know.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
We wait for that.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Yes, very very good.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
So we're excited to have them there and we'll tell
you more. I bet you within the month, I bet
you we see them up and running. So they're existing,
an existing business who never had a storefront, and so
this is a great opportunity for him to have a storefront,
great coffee, great donuts, kind of a unique twist on
the donut and we'll see, right which could be be
(05:55):
bad news for us if it's good donuts.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Or or an activity right now, so there you go,
there you go.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
So, after Jac does some news, we're gonna talk about
you know, let's what, we give a little bit of
a Shot Show preview of stuff that we knew was coming.
Now it's sitting on our table. So we're gonna go
over briefly some of the things now that we can
hold them on our hands and talk about those and.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Held off on Shot Show till after the big Buckeye game.
So this is the day after on Tuesdays when Shot
Show starts this year, that in the Las Vegas and
it's the largest uh firearms exposition and show for coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
So it'll be Jac and I and I know, I know,
I'm a I'm a Caltech fanboy. Yeah yeah, there, I'm
not gonna say it yet, but in the next segment
they just release that.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
They are they are innovators.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I'm not saying it's the best gun out there. I'm
not saying it's for everyone, but man Kelgrin and the
guys over there.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
It's amazing that they come up with.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
And and the price point is that, yes, just because
it is less expensive doesn't mean that it's cheap. That
it's just some of the things I've come up with
are absolutely amazing. Joy was the head. I think you're
still associated with it, just so's taking over now, but
amazing stuff.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah. Absolutely.
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there and of course on YouTube and Facebook as long
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DC before we get to news, Ed who's usually here
with us, he is I think you know he said
he was a little under the weather.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
I think he's under the covers today. It's so cold out.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
There, you know, so it's maybe practicing for the real
cold weather. That's just watch my driveway turn into a
shoot of ice here in the next couple of days.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
But the Chicago update, and I don't know what happened
this week in Chicago, but these numbers are kind of exploded.
I mean, some say it's a killer week in Chicago.
They are now for the year, up to twenty two
homicides this year, and we're on was it the nineteenth today?
Eighteenth eighteen? Yeah, and seventy eight people shot. We're gonna
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be hitting one hundred before we know it. That's crazy,
the number of people shot.
Speaker 3 (08:21):
That is crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And the reason we highlight this people ask, you know
why you talk about Chicago numbers because they are one
of the most anti gun cities, and it just proves
the point that they are so wrong in the correlation
between not having legal gun owners be able to own
firearms and crime.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
It's crazy.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
I mean, it's just an example of where gun laws
aren't really you know, the source of the crime and
the cause of the crime are preventing the crime. Have
the strictest gun laws and one of the highest crime rates.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
That's right, that's right, Jase. What do you have for us?
Speaker 3 (08:54):
Oh, there's just there's a lot of news, and well,
let me start out with some some good ones right off.
The didn't get to this last week, but the National
Shooting Sports Foundation just released its adjusted background checks for
firearm sales for December, and it topped one point six
million firearms sold at retail in December. So this is
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the sixty fifth month in.
Speaker 2 (09:18):
A row where there were above.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
A million firearms sales for the month. So think about that.
That's you know, five years and five months of above
every month. So and then they also released the annual
So the annual total for twenty twenty four of retail
firearm sales was fifteen point two million firearms sold in
the United States at retail. So and actually it brings
(09:45):
out the estimate to about five hundred and yeah, yeah,
there we go, right, five hundred and eighteen million firearms
are now and that only echoes back to nineteen hundred,
so you do there's a lot of stuff out there
from before that anyway, So that's pretty good. We're going
to touch on this, but as a preview, just the
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National Shooting Sports Foundation also released its most recent firearm
production figures. This is so the detailed there are always
two years behind, so they're releasing it for twenty twenty two.
And if any manufacturer even makes one firearm, they listed
what the caliber, what it is, where they are, and
so it's very detailed, and we'll hit that in more
detailed definitely. All right. We had another story from last
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week that I think is really important. The Chief Justice
of the Supreme Court of the United States of America,
John Roberts, warned that the United States must maintain judicial
independence in his annual Report of the Federal Judiciary. You
know there's a legislative branch, executive branch, and judicial brands. Well,
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somehow the Democrats senators in the legislative branch think that
they should control the Supreme Court. And his warning comes
after basically, particularly US Democratic senators, have attacked the Court
when decisions didn't go their way. So he said to
report what was because it's not the nature of judicial
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work to make everyone happy. Most cases have a winner
and a loser. Chief Justice Roberts wrote, within the past
few years, however, elected officials across the political spectrum, mostly
the Democrats, have raised the specter of open disregard for
federal court rulings, and he said they have just the
Democrats have attacked the Court and in such ways that
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they're kind of influencing some of the lower level courts
to disregard what Supreme Court issues have been like, especially
with the Bruin.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Decisions especially, I mean cities, cities now just whatever they want.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Its like Hawaii, Yeah, we were here before the United
States was here, so we have the aloha spirit, so
we don't really care what you guys do way over there.
It's and this is just this is a really a
big issue for us. Okay, well, then we have a
couple things that aren't good news. Speaking of the Supreme Court,
(12:09):
I'll go to that one. Next. Scotus just rejected a
couple of Second Amendment cases, but then it relisted a
couple of more. So when I say rejected, we thought
this was going to be a big deal. On this
just happened this last Monday. They denied petitions for Sir
(12:29):
TiO Rory in two cases, the Maryland Shall Issue versus
More case and then the Gray versus Jennings case. So
in the Maryland case, the Maryland case challenged handgun purchasing
licensing requirements. So in Maryland they passed a law saying
before you can even purchase any handgun no matter who
you are, you have to have several hours of pre
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approved training. They have a training scut up. You got
to pay for that and it's pretty lengthy. You have
to pay for fingerprinting. Then there's these fees that you
have to pay. We talked to in California were to
get a concealed carry. Some of the cities were charging
thirteen hundred dollars to get a permit, but that's maybe
not case in Maryland. But they also have to do
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an extensive background check that can take up to a
month to complete, in addition to the regular federal check
that you would have to do again once you purchased
a firearm. So they brought that case up and they
looked at it and said, yeah, we're not going to
deal with that. So basically it's probably not going to
come up again for a while. That's a really serious
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issue because that could catch on to a lot of
the Blue states. The second one was a prom It
was a case against Delaware. So Delaware has banned sales
on what they determined assault weapons, which is a huge
list of folk and they also have banned any magazines
over seventeen rounds, so they'll accept the clock seventeen, the
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G seventeen, which hold seventeen rounds, but anything above seventeen
rounds they have banned that. This came up and I thought,
here's a really big case we were counting on. But
what they looked at was it was brought about because
there was a they requested. The plaintiffs requested a preliminary
injunction ban because the state's issue said, wow, before it
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comes to court, we're going to do a preliminary injunction
on it. And they goes, wow, wha, whoa, whoa, it's unconstitutional,
so let it go through until the courts decide, and
they just said no, so they're going to let courts
continue with preliminary injunctions before things go and they dropped.
They didn't even address anything about the actual firearms band.
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So those were two really bad ones. However, they did
leave the possibility open to take some higher profile cases.
We've talked in the past about Snope versus Brown, and
the issue there was whether the constitution permits the State
of Maryland to ban semi automatic rifles that are in
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common use for lawful purposes, including our most popular rifle
in America on the AR fifteen platform. So that's an
outright ban and that they they are considering whether to
take that. And the second one is the Ocean State
Tacticle versus Rhode Island, where Rhode Island has banned large
capacity magazines over ten rounds. And that's a distinct one,
(15:20):
distinct one. So they're looking at that to see whether
they're going to consider hearing it. But it's really really
scary because if they didn't, I mean that Supreme Court
saying that's not an issue, and we don't, and so we're.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Right, we're really that has a tremendous impact and we
really need to deal with this and go on because
it keeps looming in the background.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
He see, let's jump to a break.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
When we come back on the other side, I know
we have a little bit more news, and there's actually
one other Scotist case they're going to hear recently. You
probably haven't heard of a kind of not necessarily gun related,
but kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Law enforcement relator.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
We'll talk about that, and we're going to get to
our new segment to JC this new statement. Let me
see what it's called again. Oh, it's called WTF with JC.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
That and much much more.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
We're on talking broadcasting live from the studios of LPD
fires Arrange.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
We'll be back right after the break. Wow. I told
Ella to find something presidential and this.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Is She did a great job. This is good.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
I can't wait.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
It's going to be a great day to stay in
bed because you got the inauguration, you got the highest
state game. I mean, geez, I tell you guys, we
are on target. We're broadcasting live from the studios of
LPD Firearms Range and Training Facility that is located at
nine nine nine Triple nine Bethel Road.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
We were talking a little bit about news JC.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Before you get to more of your news, I want
to say one scootis case that they're going to listen.
This is something that's probably not in your radar or
on the radar of many listeners. But as Barnes versus Felix,
ring a bell, Yeah, ring a bell at.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
All I have heard, but I'm not so this.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Case has potential huge, huge ramifications in the law enforcement community.
As we've talked about numerous times in this show, a
lot of what longmant and their actions whether are based
upon are a case from the eighties Grand versus Connor,
and it basically says that an officer's actions have to
be judged not by twenty twenty hindsight, but by what
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another officer would have done in that exact scenario.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Was the action to that.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Officer reasonable considering all the circumstances at hand.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
And that's what is taught in the academies. I mean,
that is what is ingrained into law enforcement.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
This case, Barnes versus Felix, has the potential to upend
that and I'm not sure.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
I'm not sure if it's good or bad.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It really is based on based on a case where
an officer shot and killed a suspect. And what the
court's going to decide is whether the moment of threat doctrine.
Speaker 2 (17:48):
This is a doctrine that some.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Other lower courts have started to adopt, the moment of
theat threat doctrine, if that's something that should be instilled
upon law enforcement. Basically, what that says is it doesn't
look at the totality of the circumstances.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
It looks at the moment of threat.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So if that officer is on the hood of the
car and the car is moving at that moment, can
could be justified that the officer fired his or her
gun to stop the threat the moment of threat without
looking at the totality of the circumstances. So it's going
to be interesting. It potentially has huge ramifications in the
law enforcement community. Even as much that the case right
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here in Columbus, the Jason Mead case, which we know
was a hung jury last year and they vowed to
retry it just got pushed back, pinning the decision of
this case. So, uh, stay tuned for that. I'm sure
we'll talk about that more kind of on an on target.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Law and order. It is going to make a huge,
huge difference.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, it has the potential.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
What else, Jasey, there's something about you know, we talked
about the threat of the Second Amendment is still not gone.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
We talk about the potential ag we.
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Talked about what the Supreme Court just a did not
hear and passed on. We'll see what happens on that
in the future. But this is one that you know, God,
my goodness, you know, we'd love the president what's going
to happen nowhere and mister nice guy. But it does
leave some openings and I actually what a lot of
the folks who are really big in the firearms industry
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and the attorneys that are there. They said, the Trump's
ages confirmation hearing is bad news for gun rights advocates.
So what does that mean? And we'll talk about that.
So on Wednesday, Donald Trump's attorney general pick, who was
Pam Bondie, And of course Trump lives in Florida. She
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was the Florida AG when he was president. And also
she was a Florida AG when that horrible tragedy at
Parkland at the high school where the deranged kid came
in and ended up killing like seventeen people. I mean,
it was horrid and that's what happened. So as a
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result of that, she made some decisions, and she asked
me said in the hearing that these decisions that she
made back then are what really brought her to the
forefront of gun control and gun legislation. So even though
she said three times she goes, let me say this
is her quote, and let me say, I'm the pro
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Second Amendment. I've always been pro Second Amendment, and I'm
an advocate for the Second Amendment. But I will enforce
the laws of the land, which, being over the Attorney
General gives her a lot of a lot of power.
As a matter of fact, she will be the one
who oversees the FBI and also the ATF in her
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views on gun policy. Also because it's as the Attorney
General what cases that she will decide to actually pursue
in relation to gun cases that are coming up, so
that the Apartment of Justice approach of you know, she's
going to be leading that. So when she had her
interview for the confirmation hearing, she was asked about her
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support for new gun registration, of gun apartment restrictions pardon me,
restrictions when she was a Florida AG during that Parkland Well,
the things that the troubling thing was is that the
only ones that were asking questions were the Democratic senators,
especially from California, because she made some decisions back then
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that a lot of people were really concerned about. For example,
she was there, she backed a new red flag law
for Florida. She backed bumpstock band that wasn't involved in
that shooting in Parkland, and she put a ban on
commercial sales of guns from to eighteen to twenty year
(21:48):
olds can't purchase any fires still stands today, right, Yeah,
So he records a mixed bag, and they said one
of the things that was the most disturbing is not
a single Republican senator asked Bondi about her background on
guns or how she may handle of what's been going
on with the ATF and and the rest of it.
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And they said, none of that but Gunners of America,
which kind of is replaced right now NRA. As far
as having a big voice in the guns, they just
said they gave a warning saying that she has a
Second Amendment problem. So what they're saying is that her
selection may be a bad sign for political potency for
gun rights movement. So also, I guess one last thing,
(22:35):
she has to appoint the new director of the ATF.
And she said in her quote with the New York
Times report just last month, she said she wanted to
appoint a relatively non ideological replacement for Detleback to fulfill
the campaign's law and order promises.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
So definitely seth and we got to keep tabs on
in I mean, I hope it dtality of the administration.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
We'll keep that in check. I think I like her. Otherwise,
I'm cautiously guarded though a little bit.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
JC.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
We gotta jump to the bottom of in our news.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
When we come back on the other side, we're gonna
talk a little bit about some new items that walked
in the door, and of course semi auto shotguns whether
they're right for you. Wrong Target broadcasting live from the
studios EARLYPD Firearms arranged.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
We'll be back after the news. Welcome back to on Target.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
We're gonna get two shotguns here shortly, but first I
want to do a quick segment that we like to
call WTF and JC.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
What's that mean?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
Of course everyone knows that w twof what's that firearm?
Speaker 1 (23:34):
And that is that's exactly what you said last week
when we talked about the new car X nine coming out.
Car Arms has been a very well respected manufacturers there
for a long time. Typically a single stack magazine. They
have the X nine now double stack. We have it
here in person. Prices aren't bad. I think it hangs
around that four hundred dollars mark. What's very unique about it, John, though,
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as you see here you have it.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Double start here and it not as it come with
its own ten rounds, so it's a ten plus one
double stack. But they've engineered it to take magazines from
other This happens to be the Hellcat right bringfield Hellcat magazine,
and this one is a thirteen plus and then with
plus one and it just pops right in there. As
a matter of fact, the first thing I'd probably do
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is put that one aside and buy a couple of these.
And it actually fits the hand really well.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
But believe it or not, the C three sixty five
mag locked in a little bit more difficult. I don't
know if it's intended to be, but it certainly has
some versatility to the gun. It is here now if
you want to stop buy and check it out. It's sharp,
I mean, it's a nice gun. It's probably a little
bit wider than the FN Reflex and stuff, but it
is still a certainly a nice option.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
If you're a nice concealed Carrol.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
Version and yeah, with very similar Oh and it also
is ready for an optic too, So that's at that price,
that's a that's a very good yes.
Speaker 1 (25:00):
Next thing I want to talk about about FN FN Reflex.
We've been very big on that. I have one myself,
Pap has one. We've sold a lot here at this store.
They just came out with the Reflex x L a
little bit bigger barrel, a little bit bigger up and
they came out alongside that with eighteen round mags.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
So if you're looking for.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
A little bit of the magazine we've talked about this,
maybe time to I know, I love my car because
of its accuracy.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Yep. So those are both here for sale.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
The other thing last week, and I'll tell you what
talk about hitting the ground running. We talked last August
about Daniel Defense coming out with a pistol caliber carbing.
We have the pistol in stocks that has the arm
brace on it, probably ten inch barrel or something like that.
We did have the SBR so same gun with a stock.
It sold the same day we got it. We have
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a couple of the pistols left and JC right there
in front of you on the table.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
We have the rifle version version.
Speaker 2 (25:58):
It's spectacular.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Yeah, and Daniel Defense top top of the line. That's
absolutely so.
Speaker 1 (26:04):
If you've been in the market for a pistol caliber carbing,
we have them all here right now at the moment.
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
Like I said, they're sharp, they are super super sharp.
Something else that Jac, we talked about the glock light.
You know what I stand corrected, I kind of gave
the poop poo on the light last week.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Okay, another light. It's kind of neat.
Speaker 3 (26:27):
If you've seen their former attempts. I mean I didn't
even realize that. I guess they're so clunky. People really
Disglock for having the gun that they do, with the
crappy light that they had on it. I mean, it's
just bulky, and it wasn't and that was the fa
that one's back from twenty ten. Well, now that's a
long time ago. So now they've come up with the
very streamlined we talked about it. I wasn't so certain
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because of the past, but this is really kind of neat.
And what this does is it locks on on its own.
It looks like I just turned it on, so but
by touching it, but it locks on with the pin.
So you push the pin out, it fits right on there.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
It actually is the glock tool and it comes with it.
Speaker 3 (27:07):
Yeah, and it just locks on when you push the
pin in, so there's no screws to tighten anything like that.
And the battery is easy to change of from without
taking the light off. And it's a six hundred lumen
which I just blinded myself with seconds ago, and It
comes with two options of how you want to activate it,
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and you make that decision. It comes with the pieces.
You can either do a side activation with a left
right handed if that's why you want to do it,
or you can push it from behind.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah, and it's your choice.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
You set it up that way, and it's really the
nice thing is nice about it. It's the same width
of the firearm, so it doesn't hang out on the
side and stuff. Only thing and we're still we're still
waiting to confirm this is I'm not sure about the
holster selection. We tried a couple. It's fit in some
holsters that were calling for I think the tail are
seven light.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
It didn't fit in some others. So I haven't heard
what the you know, you hope that there's not a
whole nother hoster line for that.
Speaker 3 (28:04):
So, but that is at first glance, it's not very streamlined,
very easy to turn on and off.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
I just found out now j C.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
The last thing, the last thing, and unfortunately this is
not here because if it was here, I would have
bought it cel Tech. I don't I mean talk about stuff.
It's you don't know you need until they tell it
to you. You know, for a long time, I've been
a fanboy of the five to seven round, and for
a long time I said, why why don't they make
a compact five seven? Well, lo and behold at Celtech
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just announced And actually, JC, I didn't tell you this.
I just got an email. It's shipping first quarter a
five seven compact pistol.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
They're calling it the D game first quarter or you're
talking about okay.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
All right, that would be good, but no, the p
R five seven. It's unique. Unique, So j C tell
us what one makes you unique?
Speaker 3 (28:57):
Number one? It's small enough to carry on concealed carry
the five to seven. We'll get this. It doesn't have
a detachable magazine. The magazine is internal, but it holds
twenty rounds of five to seven and you load it
basically with a kind of like a stripper clip. It
comes with two ten round inserts, so you just stick
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it in, push them down in. You don't have a
magazine change per se. You can carry next to ten
rounds if you want in the flat, but twenty rounds
of five to seven. And the interesting thing when you
look at do you wonder what's going on with the
barrel has a rotating barrel, but it locks up on
the slide so when the slides retracted, which I saw
a picture of it and went, what is going on there?
There are ten little lugs around the end of the
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barrel that lock into the end of the slide. But
it's rotating so that should reduce some of the recoil.
It is small, twenty round internal magazine and five to seven.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Now to catch jac do you think that internal magazine?
So a non detachable magazine?
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Is that done? Looking at some of these states who
always say we're.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Banning the semile with detachable magazines, and we're looking and
we're saying, man, every gun has the detachable magazine except
for the Celtech.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
I don't know with the engineering that they do. And
I'm a big Celtic fan, have several of them. They've
always been great. But you're right, I mean, that's what's
the thing. So now, hey, no detachable magazine. Now how
about twenty rounds of five to seven that you can
carry in your pocket? That's uh, I'm excited about this,
really am. And the price is uh, you know, is
(30:30):
really really reasonable like all of their I think it's
going to be uh four nine, that's what I saw
the was the retail manufacturer suggested retail yep.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
And so just to what as we're going to jump
to a break because we come back, we're going to
talk about specifically SEMII to shotguns. It was a request
from one of our listeners, and we're going to get
right to that right after the break. On Talk got
broadcasting live from the studios of LPD Firearms and Range.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
Will be back shortly. All right, JC, we can swap
out that Daniel there with the one you have on
the ground.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
We could do an hour show just on now.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
We should do an hour show on the shotguns. Guys,
welcome back to On Target. We are broadcasting live from
the studios of LAPD Firearms Arrange. For the rest of
the show. Here we are going to get to what
one of our listeners asked for, and that was can
you talk about semi auto shotguns and specifically ones that.
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Are magazine fed? And I said, Jac, you know what,
we hadn't talked about that for a while. There's a
lot of neat things out there.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
You spent the last probably twelve hours, and not only
did you spend twelve hours of researching it, you said,
you know what I like this one so much?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Can you order me this one?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Yep? So you know first hand, which was not listening.
She's at a funeral service, so I can say that.
So yes, I ordered one.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Yes, perfect, perfect, perfect.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
You know, guys, the shotgun, for many, many years has
been a wonderful defensive tool, has been a good hunting
tool for civilians military le alike. And it really, I
mean it's it's good because it stops the threat. It
really does by a lot of regards. I wouldn't want
to be in front. I would more likely want to
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be in front of an ar platform than a shotgun.
I mean is because of the deadliness of it, especially
at close range. So today we're going to talk about
semi auto shotguns and John, I guess we should start
by saying, why on earth would you consider a semiato
over a pump? I mean, pumps are considered to be
more reliable. Why am I gonna look at a semiato shotgun?
Speaker 3 (32:39):
Because they are reliable? As I was telling the audience here,
the very first semi automatic shotgun offered in the United
States of America was made by John Browning was released
in nineteen oh nine, and it is the most reliable
shotgun right off the bat as matter of fact, the
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more mod versions. It was almost manufacturer for one hundred years.
They just stopped. But the last manufacturer guaranteed one hundred
and fifty thousand rounds without a jam with them, and
that was the very first one. So they are reliable.
Magazine fed ones now are really really, really improving because
there you've introduced something new. It's not just springs pushing
(33:22):
out of a tube and loading, which is a nicer.
Now you've got to deal with magazines, magazine lips, followers,
the same thing we we deal with. But they're really
coming along. So but a shotgun automatic, it reduces recoil
by at least thirty percent. Some of them they said
you can actually hold. I saw videos a guy shooting
(33:44):
it with one hand and the rise was very little
with twelve gauge and it was three bucks, so it
wasn't some peepee load. And so they have really, really,
really come a long way.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And wow, and there's so many out there, and there's
so many choices. I think I think part of what
gives them a bad rap and that or maybe they
don't have a bad wrap up. Part of what my
perception of them not being effective or reliable. Are some
of the inexpensive ones floating around that that seemed to
be very finicky on AMO. I mean I had a
(34:14):
Sega twelve for a while and that was the thing
at the time. But I tell you you had to
adjust the gas depending on low brass or high brass,
and it just wasn't I don't know, it just wasn't
practical for me.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Well, as the Virginia Slim schircial said, you've come along
with We've come a long way, baby, and that is
really the case with the shotguns. I honestly they are. Yeah,
the pump. One of the reasons that the pump is
so popular because it came out in eighteen ninety three
when when Chester first came out with that, know, the
John Brownie designed, by the way. But they're inexpensive. They've
been around forever. They're inexpensive. There is reliable as your
(34:49):
arm going back and forth. But the some automatics are faster.
They are They hold you know a lot of rounds,
a lot of the once or seven plus one, and
you can even get extended tubes as you see on
a three gun competition of you know, you can get
ten twelve round extended tubes on them look awful, but
(35:09):
it's it's the thing that has held them back is
the cost. They are more expensive to manufacture, and they
are expensive. As a matter of fact, an average I
would say, Uh, the ones that are that are really
good and reliable, they are around one thousand bucks. Maybe
you can get one for eight hundred. But but but
new they are, they're they're around, they're expensive, so uh,
(35:30):
and some of them go up. One of the ones
that they said was the best that you could hold
with your hand with three thousand, so you know, for
a shotgun.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
But there has been a.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
Kind of a coming out with some of the local
uh or some of the more common manufactures. Mosburg, we
have one here. It's a used one, I mean, really
very reliable.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
And which one is that?
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Jac Well, this happens to me, it's it's gonna be
a nine to forty. But let me just see if
it's it's their PROTAC And that is one of the
ones that got rated one of the best. I've been
porn over. There's so many articles I've probably spent like
twelve hours only reading about the different semi automag shotguns
and ones with magazine fed and you know what, the
advantages are reached, but the reliability is there now the
(36:14):
United States military, I had no idea how long the
M four, which is a Benelli M four, It's been
in service for twenty five years. I'm going not like
I went. If you would have said fifteen years, I
would have said while. And that's what the Marines are using.
And they are as reliable as can be. They're defending
(36:35):
our forces, and it's considered to be one of the
the tops. How people say it's the top, followed closely
by the Bretta thirteen one.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
So if you can't so progressing up to that, the
Mossburgs are something if you want to get into it,
probably a little bit more less on the price. It's
certainly not inexpensive, but that that's an option. Remington has.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
The Remington they're still making this even surprised because I
know the company went defunct and got reorganized as rim Arms.
But they're still making the Versa, the V three, and
they still making an the Age seventy pump. But uh
the uh. I couldn't believe it, but I actually saw
the eleven hundred. They still have a remake of the
eleven hundred and the UH. I think they stopped with
(37:21):
the eleven eighty seven though, well now that the VERSA
three's out, but it's still out there. I didn't even that,
didn't even know that. Very very reliable guns. Let's just
start just everything I've read as far as the non
magazine UH, the M four is considered to be like
one of the top ones, the the thirteen oh one UH,
(37:42):
and they're both so Bretta owns Bonelli and owns Stoger,
so those three guns all have And then price points
goes down the line where the the M four is
around two thousand dollars and about four hundred bucks less
for the UH for the Bonelli thirteen oh one. Just
incredibly reliable soft shooting guns. But they also the Bretta
(38:03):
that new one, the A three day three hundred. They
said it's just about as good. It's lighter weight, and
they really gave it as one of the strongest recommendations
for a semi automatic gun. And it's about four to
six hundred dollars less than the other, so again thousand
dollars guns. The Mosburg homegrown of the nine forty really
(38:24):
big and three gun competition. It's around that same thousand
dollars price for you know, for the regular standard shotguns.
So the reliability is out there as long as you can,
you know you can. The newest thing, ye now our
magazine fed which is where are and magazine fed shotguns? Again,
(38:44):
they've gotten rid of some of the reliability issues. One
of the issues that with them are they're all proprietary
magazine so they're boxing magazines. Of course, a twelve gage
shell is pretty heavy duty. The one who kicked off
is the one that you have, the Sega, the Russian
one using the AK platform. Well that's a heavy magazine.
That's a metal all steel magazine and they look huge,
(39:06):
but they'll hold like ten rounds, so it's uh. And
of course they're they're they're centered, so they have a
good balance. If you used to a rifle using a magazine,
that'll fit right in for you. So they were banned
from bringing in because Russia was making them.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
So what do they do.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
There's coalition of cough us A and they are making
the the basically they're they're a K twelve, the KS twelve,
so and everything is is the same. It is a clone,
uses the same accessories, the same magazines that are out
there again a thousand dollars gun in that range, but
(39:41):
you have the reliability of the AK and the newer
ones have a you know, you can put an optic
on it, pick a Tenny rail on them, and.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
They're This one that I have goes. I mean you
can load it with low brass, high grass and it
just it eat it.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That's what they've done. You complained about the one, you
had to really adjust it. Now they are it just
got pretty much so GC.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
I mean for those who don't want to spend a
thousand dollars.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
We talked about Turkish shotguns and we traditionally having been
big fans, and a lot of that goes back to
COVID times where all we could get was the partest
I think was the brand at the time it was
made in Turkey. They were a pump and our gunsmith
made a career out of fixing them, and you couldn't
find parts. There were stories out there online where we're
(40:25):
behind gun stores. They were boxes of them that they
were thrown away because they couldn't find parts, they weren't working.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Not a good reputation, but.
Speaker 3 (40:33):
It started just what you said, Turkish guns Turkish guns.
Well that's not the case anymore. You know, some of
our biggest manufacturers, for example, I know it's not the
same Winchester, but Winchester all their SX models are made
in Turkey. Mosburg has two models that are made in Turkey,
(40:56):
and it turns out that it depends on who is
ordering the guns, what their specifications are, and they're just
less expensive. So one of the very best one. It
was mentioned in several I'm kind of excited about it.
So in the six hundred dollar range, and it was
one of the most reliable, softest shooting and it was
our kind of our friends. When we talked to the
vice president, we had him win the show. The Rock
(41:17):
Island Armory which makes the largest producer of nineteen eleven's
in the world, and what did they do. They produced
them in the Philippines because they built a factory there. Well,
the same people are building factories in Turkey because of
the labor and etc. They now they've come out with
a series called the VR series, the Rock Island Armley
(41:38):
VR series made in Turkey. This was one of the
most reliable ones. Matter of fact, it was their pick
for magazine Fed twelve gauge and it looks like in ar.
They make three different models. The one you need to
look at is the VR eighty m Lock four in
Slim comes with two five round magazines, but they offered
nine round magazines and nineteen round magazines. You saw what
(42:02):
a ten round magazine looks like, so you can only
imagine what a nineteen round magazine looks like. But they
set a shot everything from the cheapest the Lake birdloads
all the way.
Speaker 1 (42:12):
Up and that's Rock Island VR eighty. We don't have
any here, but we can get it.
Speaker 3 (42:16):
You can get JC.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
In their last minute here talk about the SDS imported
Mac ten fourteen.
Speaker 3 (42:23):
Okay, this is great because we all know about the
M four that the Marines have been using, and it
uses a special system called the Argo system, which is
kind of self cleaning. It can go many many rounds,
which is why the military chose that well. SDS is
a company that produces their guns in Turkey, but they
have high, high standards. Matter of fact, it's made the
(42:45):
cover of the latest American Riflemen and they have a clone.
Most of the parts are interchangeable with the very expensive
M four and it's called there ten fourteen and the
test it was outperformed harming some of these sixteen eighteen
hundred dollars firearms low recoil and the price is like
(43:07):
in the four hundred dollars range. And uh, it's just
absolutely amazing.
Speaker 2 (43:13):
And there'll be one of those on the shelves next week.
Speaker 3 (43:15):
Yeah, well I'm telling you so, but yeah, check it out,
look online and are the American riflemen cover it. It's
amazing what they're doing.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Stop by and see us anytime we can help you
with that selection. Thanks for listening for the last hour. Guys,
watched the inauguration on Monday, watch the Buckeys game, and
then next Saturday, watch and listen to Ontario. We're gonna
have my buddy Richie call in talk about some of
the guns he's been handling at the auction house. So
stay warmer this week, and guys, as always has always,
(43:43):
let's be careful out there.
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