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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Can you imagine being in court, you're the one that
is on trial, or you've been convicted of killing somebody
in a road rage incident, and there's an AI version
of the guy you killed addressing you. Oh wow, because
(00:21):
that's what this story is. Wow, it's pretty crazy. I
was like, WHOA zak Attack sent this to me, and
I was like, that is incredibly compelling this story. An
Arizona man killed in a road rage shooting. This was
in twenty twenty one, confronted his killer in court. This
was on Monday, or at least an AI version of
him did.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
After gathering more than forty victim impact statements from Chris
Pelke's friends and family. That's the guy who was murdered
or killed in this road range incident. His sister was
left wondering what Pelke himself would have said to his killer. So,
together with her husband and a friend who've worked by
(01:03):
the way for AI for years, they fed videos and
audio of her army veteran brother into an AI model.
So they put this information about him, forty victim impact statements,
and then information about him and so on into an
AI model. It returned a version of Pelk speaking words
of forgiveness. It quote could be the first use of
(01:26):
AI to deliver a victim impact statement unquote. And so
Pelk was thirty seven when he exited his vehicle out
a red light in Chandler. Must be in Arizona, somewhere Chandler, Arizona.
So he goes to speak with the driver behind him,
Gabriel hor Horcosatillas. I think that's how he's say it. Anyway,
(01:50):
that's the guy who shot him, And this is what
he was saying to him, To Gabriel, the man who
shot me, it's a shame we encountered each other that day,
in those circumstances. In another life, we probably could have
been friends. He goes on to say, I believe in
forgiveness and a God who forgives. I always have and
I still do. The mouth of the AI victim didn't
(02:12):
always align with the words that he was speaking in
this clip, but the video still had powerful effect, and
so they crafted this script calls the AI version of
her brother a Frankenstein of love, which is kind of
kind of odd as well. And then he said things
that would never come out of my mouth, but I
(02:33):
know they would have came out of his, and so
then there was a judge that's clearly emotional at the
reveal of her post so on and so forth, and
he felt like that it was genuine. And anyway, the
judge sentenced fifty year old Gabriel to ten and a
half years in prison for manslaughter, which was a full
(02:54):
year more than the prosecutors asked for. And it's interesting
how something like this has come about, and then where
will it advance to or elevate to.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't think I like it. I don't think I
like this.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So was it used to coerce or create or you know,
elicit a response.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
From the justly? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And I mean the victim impact statement is going to
come before sentencing, not before verdict, but before sentencing usually,
So yeah, I'm not I'm not sure that I want
a bunch of zeros and ones creating what could have
possibly been testimony from somebody that's that does not feel
right to me at all.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The only thing that feels like it could be halfway accurate,
and that is given that his sister was putting in
accurate information. Because you're only going to get as accurate
of a statement as the information put in for a
In other words, there are facts that are about this
case that can't be disputed. The day it happened, one
(04:08):
person's dead, one person did the killing according to what
came out in court, right and excuse me. And then
the information from the victim put in by his sister
or family and or family members has to be accurate
because if they're putting stuff in about how, you know,
how much he loves God and all of those things,
(04:30):
if none of that were true, then you know you're
doctoring this or you're slanting it to make him.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Look like, you know, for better or for worse, something
he was not correct.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So so that's where you have to trust the people
that are involved in this situation to put accurate because
AI is only going to come up with the information
that it's given. And then once it gets all that
and it spits something.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Out sixty minutes about year and a half ago did
a story about that, and they actually, I forget which
TV show it might have been. Incis that used this
where people would go in and pre record themselves answering
a variety of questions so that your great great great
grandchildren could go and speak to you and say, you know, Grandpa,
(05:18):
I got this problem. And the computer program would listen
to it and come back with the video hologram answer
as best they thought. And with AI, I could see that,
you know, answering those questions, and then AI just generating
the answers on your behalf.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That could prove valuable.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But you're going to answer a thousand questions in order
for the AI to form what your thoughts would be
or answer would be to a question. This is not
you answering questions for AI deformat. This is other people
talking about what they think you would have thought or said.
And that just that feels very wrong, especially in a
(05:57):
court of law.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To me, you got to trust his sister to put
in the information that's correct, be it awful, whether it
would generate something awful or something that would appear, you know, incredibly,
(06:18):
what's the word I'm looking for, Like, you have to
trust that she's putting that stuff in and not manipulating
it to make her brother look like man, he was
complete victim.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Look at him. He is a god.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Fearing man who I forgive you. And if he really
wasn't like that again, and I know I kind of
said that earlier, but that's the thing that would have
to be accurate. How do you know for sure if
you didn't know him, if the judge didn't know him,
you know, but yeah, kind of to your point, it's
and oh, now it feels like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
This guy could have one hundred and fifty million dollars
powerball ticket hidden under a brick in the backyard, waiting
to cash it in. He might actually say, how dare
you kill me? My life was about to be perfect?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Us?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Sob I want him to fry? Correct, you don't know,
you don't know what his final thoughts would have been. Yeah,
it's no, this isn't.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Right, William, Welcome to the show. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, not a problem. So AI is all about the
clarity of what you put into it, garbage and garbage out.
If you're sitting in the courtroom, you're watching those twelve jurors,
and you get into their minds, and then you tell
the AI, here's the story, here's the twelve jurors. Give
me the most convincing argument that the jury will convict
(07:38):
this guy for the highest possible sentence available.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, you could manipulate it that way, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
And then you're using after the exact exact opposite of
Instead of a forgiveness of the perpetrator, you're using it
as I'm going to do everything I possibly can to
make this sure this person gets the longest possible sentence
by appealing to the other side of people's emotions.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Right right, absolutely, William, Thanks and that again, I thought
it was interesting at the very end of the story
they point out that his sentence is a year longer
than what is typically given in this situation. I actually
thought it would be longer than that in a in
a road rage incident where you end up killing the
(08:29):
other person. I know it's not premeditated, and maybe it
wasn't even supposed to happen. It was an accident, But
I don't do you feel like that's long enough. Just
on a side note, I know the whole thing's about AI,
but I to hear that it's ten and a half
years in prison for manslaughter, a full year more than
the prosecutors ask for. Again, I don't know what that's.
(08:52):
You know, that's that's reckless vehicular homicide. To me, that's
not intentional taking of a life because you got mad.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
On the road.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, it's road rage.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I'm harsh with all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Though.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know, when people somebody shoots at you and they
get charged with felonius assault or whatever. I'm sorry, No,
I think that should be attempted murder every time if
somebody discharges a firearm in your direction they are trying
to kill you, it should always be attempted murder, unless
they kill you, in which case it should be murdered.
But no, it's not felonius assault. It's attempted murder. You
(09:25):
tried to take a life, you shot a gun at somebody.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I agree. It's deadly force. It's what it's called
deadly force, and more times than not, I would think
it results in death. I guess there are more wounds
where people recover than there are deaths, but I don't
have that information right in front of me. Joe Biden
finally admitting Trump would have won the twenty twenty four
(09:48):
election no matter what. It was a interview with BBC,
and he there was some candid responses to some questions
and and about you know, delayed exit from the presidential race,
and I you know, he's he's still doing talking to
(10:11):
this guy, and you know, some people are even in
the news, they're like he's getting back in the spotlight.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Well is he.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, he's really kind of justifying or or or
bolstering what people are really talking about right now, which
is a lot of the media and how complicit they
were with He's sharp as attack. You know, it's really
just kind of almost both. They're probably going this guy
would just stop, just go away. Yeah, you know, please
(10:39):
just stop.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And members of his party in DC who all said, oh,
it's the best Joe Biden ever seen. He's great. He's
up every day, he's working on everything. Every everybody who
told that bleatant, bold face lie should be held accountable
in the next election. I go ahead, elect another Democrat.
I don't care, but not a lying, stinking Democrat that
would look at you and tell you that guy was
(11:01):
in fine shape.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Here is the one of the clips from the interview
where this is basically him admitting Trump would have won
the election.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And for a long time you believed you said I'm
the man who can stop Donald Trump, and he did once.
And in the end you withdrew from that election campaign
at the last minute. Did you leave it too late?
Should you have withdrawn earlier? Given someone else a bigger job.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I don't think it would have mattered.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
We left it a time when we had a good candidate,
she'd fully funded. And what happened was I had become
what we had set out to do No I thought
we could do, and become so successful, our genuine it
was hard to.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Say now I'm going to stop.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Now I met when I said when I started that,
I think it's I'm preparing to hand this to the
next generation, the transition government.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
It things moved so quickly.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
And it made it difficult to walk away to get
and it was a hard decision.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
But regards to no, I think it was the right decision.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But you shouldn't have taken it out.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Well, I don't. I don't think. I don't think so.
I mean, I don't know how that would have made
much difference.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I need to know who's representing Zach at the lawsuit, because.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
There he is
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Forty six, Yeah, there he is.
Can you imagine being in court, you're the one that
is on trial, or you've been convicted of killing somebody
in a road rage incident, and there's an AI version
of the guy you killed addressing you. Oh wow, because
(00:21):
that's what this story is. Wow, it's pretty crazy. I
was like, WHOA zak Attack sent this to me, and
I was like, that is incredibly compelling this story. An
Arizona man killed in a road rage shooting. This was
in twenty twenty one, confronted his killer in court. This
was on Monday, or at least an AI version of
him did.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
After gathering more than forty victim impact statements from Chris
Pelke's friends and family. That's the guy who was murdered
or killed in this road range incident. His sister was
left wondering what Pelke himself would have said to his killer. So,
together with her husband and a friend who've worked by
(01:03):
the way for AI for years, they fed videos and
audio of her army veteran brother into an AI model.
So they put this information about him, forty victim impact statements,
and then information about him and so on into an
AI model. It returned a version of Pelk speaking words
of forgiveness. It quote could be the first use of
(01:26):
AI to deliver a victim impact statement unquote. And so
Pelk was thirty seven when he exited his vehicle out
a red light in Chandler. Must be in Arizona, somewhere Chandler, Arizona.
So he goes to speak with the driver behind him,
Gabriel hor Horcosatillas. I think that's how he's say it. Anyway,
(01:50):
that's the guy who shot him, And this is what
he was saying to him, To Gabriel, the man who
shot me, it's a shame we encountered each other that day,
in those circumstances. In another life, we probably could have
been friends. He goes on to say, I believe in
forgiveness and a God who forgives. I always have and
I still do. The mouth of the AI victim didn't
(02:12):
always align with the words that he was speaking in
this clip, but the video still had powerful effect, and
so they crafted this script calls the AI version of
her brother a Frankenstein of love, which is kind of
kind of odd as well. And then he said things
that would never come out of my mouth, but I
(02:33):
know they would have came out of his, and so
then there was a judge that's clearly emotional at the
reveal of her post so on and so forth, and
he felt like that it was genuine. And anyway, the
judge sentenced fifty year old Gabriel to ten and a
half years in prison for manslaughter, which was a full
(02:54):
year more than the prosecutors asked for. And it's interesting
how something like this has come about, and then where
will it advance to or elevate to.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I don't think I like it. I don't think I
like this.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
So was it used to coerce or create or you know,
elicit a response.
Speaker 3 (03:22):
From the justly? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:24):
And I mean the victim impact statement is going to
come before sentencing, not before verdict, but before sentencing usually,
So yeah, I'm not I'm not sure that I want
a bunch of zeros and ones creating what could have
possibly been testimony from somebody that's that does not feel
right to me at all.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The only thing that feels like it could be halfway accurate,
and that is given that his sister was putting in
accurate information. Because you're only going to get as accurate
of a statement as the information put in for a
In other words, there are facts that are about this
case that can't be disputed. The day it happened, one
(04:08):
person's dead, one person did the killing according to what
came out in court, right and excuse me. And then
the information from the victim put in by his sister
or family and or family members has to be accurate
because if they're putting stuff in about how, you know,
how much he loves God and all of those things,
(04:30):
if none of that were true, then you know you're
doctoring this or you're slanting it to make him.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Look like, you know, for better or for worse, something
he was not correct.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
So so that's where you have to trust the people
that are involved in this situation to put accurate because
AI is only going to come up with the information
that it's given. And then once it gets all that
and it spits something.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Out sixty minutes about year and a half ago did
a story about that, and they actually, I forget which
TV show it might have been. Incis that used this
where people would go in and pre record themselves answering
a variety of questions so that your great great great
grandchildren could go and speak to you and say, you know, Grandpa,
(05:18):
I got this problem. And the computer program would listen
to it and come back with the video hologram answer
as best they thought. And with AI, I could see that,
you know, answering those questions, and then AI just generating
the answers on your behalf.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
That could prove valuable.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
But you're going to answer a thousand questions in order
for the AI to form what your thoughts would be
or answer would be to a question. This is not
you answering questions for AI deformat. This is other people
talking about what they think you would have thought or said.
And that just that feels very wrong, especially in a
(05:57):
court of law.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
To me, you got to trust his sister to put
in the information that's correct, be it awful, whether it
would generate something awful or something that would appear, you know, incredibly,
(06:18):
what's the word I'm looking for, Like, you have to
trust that she's putting that stuff in and not manipulating
it to make her brother look like man, he was
complete victim.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Look at him. He is a god.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Fearing man who I forgive you. And if he really
wasn't like that again, and I know I kind of
said that earlier, but that's the thing that would have
to be accurate. How do you know for sure if
you didn't know him, if the judge didn't know him,
you know, but yeah, kind of to your point, it's
and oh, now it feels like, yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
This guy could have one hundred and fifty million dollars
powerball ticket hidden under a brick in the backyard, waiting
to cash it in. He might actually say, how dare
you kill me? My life was about to be perfect?
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Us?
Speaker 4 (07:05):
Sob I want him to fry? Correct, you don't know,
you don't know what his final thoughts would have been. Yeah,
it's no, this isn't.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Right, William, Welcome to the show. Thanks for listening.
Speaker 6 (07:17):
Yeah, not a problem. So AI is all about the
clarity of what you put into it, garbage and garbage out.
If you're sitting in the courtroom, you're watching those twelve jurors,
and you get into their minds, and then you tell
the AI, here's the story, here's the twelve jurors. Give
me the most convincing argument that the jury will convict
(07:38):
this guy for the highest possible sentence available.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
Yeah, you could manipulate it that way, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
And then you're using after the exact exact opposite of
Instead of a forgiveness of the perpetrator, you're using it
as I'm going to do everything I possibly can to
make this sure this person gets the longest possible sentence
by appealing to the other side of people's emotions.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Right right, absolutely, William, Thanks and that again, I thought
it was interesting at the very end of the story
they point out that his sentence is a year longer
than what is typically given in this situation. I actually
thought it would be longer than that in a in
a road rage incident where you end up killing the
(08:29):
other person. I know it's not premeditated, and maybe it
wasn't even supposed to happen. It was an accident, But
I don't do you feel like that's long enough. Just
on a side note, I know the whole thing's about AI,
but I to hear that it's ten and a half
years in prison for manslaughter, a full year more than
the prosecutors ask for. Again, I don't know what that's.
(08:52):
You know, that's that's reckless vehicular homicide. To me, that's
not intentional taking of a life because you got mad.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
On the road.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
Yeah, it's road rage.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
Yeah, I'm harsh with all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 6 (09:04):
Though.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
You know, when people somebody shoots at you and they
get charged with felonius assault or whatever. I'm sorry, No,
I think that should be attempted murder every time if
somebody discharges a firearm in your direction they are trying
to kill you, it should always be attempted murder, unless
they kill you, in which case it should be murdered.
But no, it's not felonius assault. It's attempted murder. You
(09:25):
tried to take a life, you shot a gun at somebody.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Yeah, I agree. It's deadly force. It's what it's called
deadly force, and more times than not, I would think
it results in death. I guess there are more wounds
where people recover than there are deaths, but I don't
have that information right in front of me. Joe Biden
finally admitting Trump would have won the twenty twenty four
(09:48):
election no matter what. It was a interview with BBC,
and he there was some candid responses to some questions
and and about you know, delayed exit from the presidential race,
and I you know, he's he's still doing talking to
(10:11):
this guy, and you know, some people are even in
the news, they're like he's getting back in the spotlight.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Well is he.
Speaker 1 (10:18):
I mean, he's really kind of justifying or or or
bolstering what people are really talking about right now, which
is a lot of the media and how complicit they
were with He's sharp as attack. You know, it's really
just kind of almost both. They're probably going this guy
would just stop, just go away. Yeah, you know, please
(10:39):
just stop.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
And members of his party in DC who all said, oh,
it's the best Joe Biden ever seen. He's great. He's
up every day, he's working on everything. Every everybody who
told that bleatant, bold face lie should be held accountable
in the next election. I go ahead, elect another Democrat.
I don't care, but not a lying, stinking Democrat that
would look at you and tell you that guy was
(11:01):
in fine shape.
Speaker 5 (11:02):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Here is the one of the clips from the interview
where this is basically him admitting Trump would have won
the election.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
And for a long time you believed you said I'm
the man who can stop Donald Trump, and he did once.
And in the end you withdrew from that election campaign
at the last minute. Did you leave it too late?
Should you have withdrawn earlier? Given someone else a bigger job.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I don't think it would have mattered.
Speaker 7 (11:38):
We left it a time when we had a good candidate,
she'd fully funded. And what happened was I had become
what we had set out to do No I thought
we could do, and become so successful, our genuine it
was hard to.
Speaker 5 (11:57):
Say now I'm going to stop.
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Now I met when I said when I started that,
I think it's I'm preparing to hand this to the
next generation, the transition government.
Speaker 5 (12:08):
It things moved so quickly.
Speaker 7 (12:11):
And it made it difficult to walk away to get
and it was a hard decision.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
But regards to no, I think it was the right decision.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
But you shouldn't have taken it out.
Speaker 7 (12:27):
Well, I don't. I don't think. I don't think so.
I mean, I don't know how that would have made
much difference.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I need to know who's representing Zach at the lawsuit, because.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
There he is
Speaker 3 (12:48):
Forty six, Yeah, there he is.
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