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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ninety three percent of pilots admit to naps on the job.
Alex Stone is joining us right now from ABC News,
and before we get to what you're covering there, you
fly a lot, Alex, Are you shocked by this number?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
No? You know, there have been incidents in the past
where both pilots fall asleep, and there was one years ago,
remember when was it Northwest Airlines was still around and
they overshot Minneapolis and kept flying and then had to
apologize when they woke up and come back around.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I think Frontier has had that happen before too.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I mean, especially when you're flying a nightemb So foreign
airlines allow that one pilot can sleep in the cockpit
while the other one stays awake, but that is not
allowed for US carriers.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
The FAA does not allow that.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So there's been a call globally for the FAA to
allow it so when they're in US airspace that one
pilot can take a nap, But then you're really relying
on that other pilot staying away.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's German pilot, it's Union, So kind of to your point,
are part of who's behind this, you know, this story
or whatever?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You yeah, because they want to be able to nap. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah. They reveal nearly all participating German pilots have dozed
off during flights in recent months, and the union calls
this habit a worrying reality, and here's a thing behind it.
They're like, well, it's not a big deal that they're
doing this. The point of this story was because they're
(01:28):
stressing that it's the fatigue that's triggering them, is what's
raising safety concerns to them. In other words, they're not
getting adequate rest because they're working them to death. Is
I feel like the unspoken part of this is kind
of the gist of this whole article. But they say
they there's it's like a group of pilots, like a
(01:51):
large group that say, oh, yeah, I nap every time
we fly, and it's just like it's a bit unnerving
when you think about it like that, but not a
big deal unless, of course, like you said, Minneapolis for instance,
they like where.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
They go right over.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And then if you remember back to that case where
they tried to come up with a number of excuses
where they were like, no, we were arguing about schedules
and things. No, they had both kind of napped and
fell asleep but in the middle of the night or
I just don't even have to be in the middle
of the night when the sun goes down.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Can you imagine, I mean, it's boring up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There that you know, they'll if you ever ask a pilot,
they'll be like, well, we're monitoring our gauges and we're
listening to the radios and everything else. But you're doing
that hour after hour, and like look at a computer
screen for six hours where you don't have to do
anything but stare at the screen.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That you're gonna get a little a little tired.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And and if you don't have to check in with
their traffic control, you know, more than every twenty minutes
or so depending on where you are, or say you're
going to Hawaii and you don't talk to them that
entire six hour flight over there because everything is now
like text message based when you're over the Pacific that
you can see where they would maybe just shut their
eyes for a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yeah, there's been conversation in the past about having devices
installed cars to keep people from going to sleep while driving.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Like coming out like something laving them with.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Fire hose hit them in the face. You're on a
flight to Minneapolis.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
The pilot gets ladies and gentlemen. If you look out
the left windows, you'll see us stopping for gas in Tokyo.
I mean, that's how do you sleep and miss a
city for goodness sake?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, it's two of them, because you go, how did you? Well,
I can see where one would, but both of them.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's just like you're on.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
A flight and like you start to get your doze off.
You're getting really tired after the airplane noise and everything.
I don't know how they all stay awake up there
and just hour after hour, and you know, and now,
airline pilots for the most part, and most airlines make
very good money these days. They're new contracts at a
major airline, they can be making easily three four five
(03:49):
hundred dollars. So they're they're doing quite well. They're highly trained,
and they don't fall asleep, we don't think. But you know,
now there's this argument among some and some airlines where
they want to go down to one pilot because they
say two pilots aren't needed up there. So if you
only one pilot and they fell asleep, well then you'd
have a problem.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, what if there's a cardiac event or some you know,
someone in your emergency.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I mean, yeah, ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The workload is mainly at takeoff and landing and not
during cruise, and they've got hours upon hours of not having.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
To do much.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But if you have an emergency up there, you want
two humans up in that cockpit.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Absolutely, And you know, if you're also one that has
you know you're seasoned and you've been at it longer
than your co pilot, then co pilot gets to get
They get to earn their keep, if you will. And
you're like Iron sitting here with my arms crossed or
looking at socials or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For those first officers now, especially on the regional carriers,
they are very green and very new. So they're learning
from the captain. And you know, what would you do
if you didn't have that the farm league of the
first officer in all cases of learning from the captain.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, bad, bad, bad idea where they're trying to get
I'm not flying any plane where there's only one pilot
unless it is an emergence, see, and I'm trying to
get out of somewhere that you know, obviously there's a
few answers there that qualify. But I'm no way if
a carrier starts talking about, you know, we can charge
you lower prices because we're not having to pay two pilot, you.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Don't need to, and it's like they can't do it
right now, but there is an argument being made among
some to try to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Not me, not this.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
The good news is we're talking pilots and non neurosurgeons.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I guess, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
That's scary stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, we know that the Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox,
opened it. He opened the presser this morning. I was
watching it live Alex where he goes good morning, we
got him and that's that was the beginning of the presser,
which was impress a from where I was sitting. But
I know you have the very latest on this pos
(05:52):
that they've taken into custody.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, so a lot we've learned today, Tyler Robinson and
now underrest. The FBI going wide the photos in the
video last night, and you remember early yesterday they said,
well we don't want to put it out yet, that
we've got a lot of video, but we want to
try our own techniques first and then last resort if
we need you will put it out to the media. Well,
last night they held a news conference pretty late in
the evening. They put it out within ninety minutes, they
(06:15):
knew who the shooter was and so it worked. And
you know, there's different views on putting out stuff like
that to the media, but it quite often can work,
and it did last night. His dad, Robinson's dad in Washington,
Utah near Saint George, recognized his son. Can you imagine
that feeling where your son's image comes up on the screen.
And he went to him and said, you got to
(06:37):
turn yourself in. And apparently Robinson didn't want to do it,
and then he convinced him. So they went to their
youth pastor who's also a member of a US Marshal's
Fugitive Task Force, and that pastor told him on the phone,
keep your son there, we'll take it from here, and
then he was arrested without incident.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But today Spencer Cox saying.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I want to think the family members of Tyler Robinson,
who did the right thing in this case and were
able to bring him in law enforcement as well.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And they've talked to Robinson's roommate who showed the messages
on the platform discord that Robinson had told the roommate
he needed a rifle retrieved from a drop point in
a bush in the woods. That's where police found it.
There's no indication that the roommate ever went and tried
to pick it out. But the messages got into the
engraving of the bullets. Remember we told you yesterday that
they were engraved. One of them said, hey, fascist, catch
(07:29):
and another said if you read this, then you are gay.
That is what was written on the bullets. And he
in the messages talked about how the scope and the
rifle were unique, which they were, and the FBI Director
Cash Bettel today saying.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
In less than thirty six hours thirty three to be precise,
thanks to the full weight of the federal government and
leading out with the partners here in the state of
Utah Governor Cox, the suspect was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Now they can see from surveillance video that he actually
arrived at campus at six twenty nine mountain times, so
far earlier than they had thought. And it looks like
figuring out where his shooting position was going to be
and how he was going to do it. He had
on the clothes that we saw in the photo with
the American flag on them, and then apparently changed into
dark clothing for the actual shooting, and then went back
(08:16):
into the American flag clothing so that there was a
change going on there. Then jumped off the side of
the building and ran in the woods.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
We just got an update from law enforcement that if
you've seen TMZ had it at the video of him
arriving and appearing to have a bad limp, They now
believe that's because he was hiding the weapon in his
pants at that time, that that created the limp that
he had. They think when he was running out, you
can't really tell. As the President said today, he looked
like an ant running on the top of that building.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They think he had it at his.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Side as he was running, and he didn't have the
limp at that point. But his neighbors in Saint George, Utah,
they're shocked by this. Christen is a neighbor. She lifts
three doors down from the Robinson family. She's been there
for decades. She was a custodian at his elementary school.
Says he is extremely.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Smart, did really well in school, was quiet.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I'm just heartsick for it.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
That's not who he was, That's not who he was
raised to be.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think social media and friends that have gotten it wrong.
He apparently knew weapons, he had gone hunting as a kid,
that that was kind of a regular part of what
their family did. But friends and family say that he
had become more political in recent years. He had mentioned
during a dinner recently with family that the Charlie Kirk
was going to be at Utah Valley University. He didn't
like him, didn't like his viewpoints, but they say that
(09:32):
there was nothing indicating he was going to go there,
it's a four hour drive away from where he lived.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And that he was going to do anything.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But he's booked at the Utah County Jail, being held
on suspicion of murder. But official charges will be filed
on Tuesday, prosecutors in Utah say, and then federal charges
will probably come as well.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But he's in jail right now.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Any indication, Alex where this goes from state charges Utah
being going to federal charges and what could be behind that,
do you happen to know?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I mean, at some point they probably will file both,
which is pretty common and mass shooter active shooter, you know,
big high profile cases that they'll find something federally that
fits and then can try for the death penalty that
way too. But because Utah has made it pretty clear
that they're going to go for the death penalty, that
that slows down what they need to do on the
federal side. If it had been California, you know, where
(10:24):
there is no death penalty for the most part at
this point, then the Feds would probably speed it up
a little bit more, especially with what the President his
view on.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The way it should go.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But being Utah, they know that maybe Utah is going
to be a more serious outcome than what the Feds
could do based on the charges, right, and that Utah
maybe the way they want to go, but they'll probably
go both tracks, go federally and state.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I just wondering, Alex, you are you seeing hearing anything
that will give you any indication as to whether they
consider this completely closed or if there's still I'm not conspiracy,
but I'm I'm wondering if he was completely alone in
this whole thing. I just feel like there was an
extra hand involved.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, they're wondering too, and they got to figure all
that out, you know. I think back to the San
Bernardino terror attack years ago, where they thought it was
only the couple that did it, and then as they
really dug in, they found people and supplied the weapons
and knew the ideology of what was going on, and
then they made arrests outside of what it initially looked like.
So they've got to go through social media. They got
to go through his phone, through all of his communication
(11:29):
and figure out what had he been saying. Did people
root him on, did they send him anything? Where did
he get the gun? From all of that. They don't
know yet that it could widen out. At this moment,
it looks like he did this on his own and
drove to the college and decided to do it. But
that's not to say that it won't.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Wipe the gun. The gun's very very old from what
was being reported, and it's clearly had multiple owners over
the years.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, it may have been imported at some point, it
seems like, so they got to you know, still, when
the ATF, if it is legally owned, the ATF has
to go and find a physical piece of paper of
carbon copy paper to track and trace a weapon. There
is no computerized system to do it. The gun lobby
has not wanted that over the years, so they still
physically have to go and go into storage units and
(12:15):
find that one piece of paper from when it was sold.
So if it is legal to trace the weapon, the
ATF has to go and you know, and just imagine
how many storage units there are of for gun purchases
of individual pieces of paper. They're trying to find that
right now.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, needle in a haystack feels like kind of too.
Alex Stone, ABC News, thanks for the very latest on
this this Tyler Robinson. We appreciate it very much. Have
a great weekend, man, you got it.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Thanks man, did you also? I thought this was interesting
that Governor Cox, Spencer Cox, who is the governor of Utah,
pointed out earlier this morning and it was in my
notes and it got past me when we started the show.
But there were so many things he said that I
really like it. But he pointed out noticed that you know,
(13:04):
there's been no rioting, there's been no looting, right, there's
been none of those lawlessness things that seem to happen
in situations like this or that can happen, and there's
been none of that. That's occurred with this.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
There's been examples of that schedule in the place. Last night,
I was watching Donald Trump when he was informed of
the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the grace that
he had because she hated him, I mean, she was
all over Donald Trump and that they were not buddies.
But he said, well, first I've heard of it. But
a wife, a life well lived. She accomplished a great deal,
(13:41):
and I'm sure she'll be remembered eloquence, class respect. I'm sorry,
but you don't see that from the other side of
the political fans. You just don't.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You really don't. You really really don't. That's not everybody,
but boy, it's a big percentage, it seems like. And
I think it's because it's boring to put somebody or
to focus on somebody saying something nice about this situation,
as opposed to putting up there can you believe they
said this? And it's just post after post after post
(14:12):
of can you believe they said this? And all it
is on social media is a bunch of people stir
in the pot. They're trying to get clicks. I mean,
it's really I feel like the long and short of
it
Ninety three percent of pilots admit to naps on the job.
Alex Stone is joining us right now from ABC News,
and before we get to what you're covering there, you
fly a lot, Alex, Are you shocked by this number?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
No? You know, there have been incidents in the past
where both pilots fall asleep, and there was one years ago,
remember when was it Northwest Airlines was still around and
they overshot Minneapolis and kept flying and then had to
apologize when they woke up and come back around.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
I think Frontier has had that happen before too.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
I mean, especially when you're flying a nightemb So foreign
airlines allow that one pilot can sleep in the cockpit
while the other one stays awake, but that is not
allowed for US carriers.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
The FAA does not allow that.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So there's been a call globally for the FAA to
allow it so when they're in US airspace that one
pilot can take a nap, But then you're really relying
on that other pilot staying away.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
It's German pilot, it's Union, So kind of to your point,
are part of who's behind this, you know, this story
or whatever?
Speaker 3 (01:05):
You yeah, because they want to be able to nap. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Yeah. They reveal nearly all participating German pilots have dozed
off during flights in recent months, and the union calls
this habit a worrying reality, and here's a thing behind it.
They're like, well, it's not a big deal that they're
doing this. The point of this story was because they're
(01:28):
stressing that it's the fatigue that's triggering them, is what's
raising safety concerns to them. In other words, they're not
getting adequate rest because they're working them to death. Is
I feel like the unspoken part of this is kind
of the gist of this whole article. But they say
they there's it's like a group of pilots, like a
(01:51):
large group that say, oh, yeah, I nap every time
we fly, and it's just like it's a bit unnerving
when you think about it like that, but not a
big deal unless, of course, like you said, Minneapolis for instance,
they like where.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
They go right over.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
And then if you remember back to that case where
they tried to come up with a number of excuses
where they were like, no, we were arguing about schedules
and things. No, they had both kind of napped and
fell asleep but in the middle of the night or
I just don't even have to be in the middle
of the night when the sun goes down.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Can you imagine, I mean, it's boring up.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There that you know, they'll if you ever ask a pilot,
they'll be like, well, we're monitoring our gauges and we're
listening to the radios and everything else. But you're doing
that hour after hour, and like look at a computer
screen for six hours where you don't have to do
anything but stare at the screen.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
That you're gonna get a little a little tired.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
And and if you don't have to check in with
their traffic control, you know, more than every twenty minutes
or so depending on where you are, or say you're
going to Hawaii and you don't talk to them that
entire six hour flight over there because everything is now
like text message based when you're over the Pacific that
you can see where they would maybe just shut their
eyes for a few minutes.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Yeah, there's been conversation in the past about having devices
installed cars to keep people from going to sleep while driving.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
Like coming out like something laving them with.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Fire hose hit them in the face. You're on a
flight to Minneapolis.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
The pilot gets ladies and gentlemen. If you look out
the left windows, you'll see us stopping for gas in Tokyo.
I mean, that's how do you sleep and miss a
city for goodness sake?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Well, it's two of them, because you go, how did you? Well,
I can see where one would, but both of them.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
It's just like you're on.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
A flight and like you start to get your doze off.
You're getting really tired after the airplane noise and everything.
I don't know how they all stay awake up there
and just hour after hour, and you know, and now,
airline pilots for the most part, and most airlines make
very good money these days. They're new contracts at a
major airline, they can be making easily three four five
(03:49):
hundred dollars. So they're they're doing quite well. They're highly trained,
and they don't fall asleep, we don't think. But you know,
now there's this argument among some and some airlines where
they want to go down to one pilot because they
say two pilots aren't needed up there. So if you
only one pilot and they fell asleep, well then you'd
have a problem.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
Well, what if there's a cardiac event or some you know,
someone in your emergency.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
I mean, yeah, ninety nine percent of the time.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
The workload is mainly at takeoff and landing and not
during cruise, and they've got hours upon hours of not having.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
To do much.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
But if you have an emergency up there, you want
two humans up in that cockpit.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Absolutely, And you know, if you're also one that has
you know you're seasoned and you've been at it longer
than your co pilot, then co pilot gets to get
They get to earn their keep, if you will. And
you're like Iron sitting here with my arms crossed or
looking at socials or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
For those first officers now, especially on the regional carriers,
they are very green and very new. So they're learning
from the captain. And you know, what would you do
if you didn't have that the farm league of the
first officer in all cases of learning from the captain.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah, bad, bad, bad idea where they're trying to get
I'm not flying any plane where there's only one pilot
unless it is an emergence, see, and I'm trying to
get out of somewhere that you know, obviously there's a
few answers there that qualify. But I'm no way if
a carrier starts talking about, you know, we can charge
you lower prices because we're not having to pay two pilot, you.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Don't need to, and it's like they can't do it
right now, but there is an argument being made among
some to try to do that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Not me, not this.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
The good news is we're talking pilots and non neurosurgeons.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
I guess, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:29):
That's scary stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Well, we know that the Governor of Utah, Spencer Cox,
opened it. He opened the presser this morning. I was
watching it live Alex where he goes good morning, we
got him and that's that was the beginning of the presser,
which was impress a from where I was sitting. But
I know you have the very latest on this pos
(05:52):
that they've taken into custody.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, so a lot we've learned today, Tyler Robinson and
now underrest. The FBI going wide the photos in the
video last night, and you remember early yesterday they said,
well we don't want to put it out yet, that
we've got a lot of video, but we want to
try our own techniques first and then last resort if
we need you will put it out to the media. Well,
last night they held a news conference pretty late in
the evening. They put it out within ninety minutes, they
(06:15):
knew who the shooter was and so it worked. And
you know, there's different views on putting out stuff like
that to the media, but it quite often can work,
and it did last night. His dad, Robinson's dad in Washington,
Utah near Saint George, recognized his son. Can you imagine
that feeling where your son's image comes up on the screen.
And he went to him and said, you got to
(06:37):
turn yourself in. And apparently Robinson didn't want to do it,
and then he convinced him. So they went to their
youth pastor who's also a member of a US Marshal's
Fugitive Task Force, and that pastor told him on the phone,
keep your son there, we'll take it from here, and
then he was arrested without incident.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
But today Spencer Cox saying.
Speaker 6 (06:54):
I want to think the family members of Tyler Robinson,
who did the right thing in this case and were
able to bring him in law enforcement as well.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
And they've talked to Robinson's roommate who showed the messages
on the platform discord that Robinson had told the roommate
he needed a rifle retrieved from a drop point in
a bush in the woods. That's where police found it.
There's no indication that the roommate ever went and tried
to pick it out. But the messages got into the
engraving of the bullets. Remember we told you yesterday that
they were engraved. One of them said, hey, fascist, catch
(07:29):
and another said if you read this, then you are gay.
That is what was written on the bullets. And he
in the messages talked about how the scope and the
rifle were unique, which they were, and the FBI Director
Cash Bettel today saying.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
In less than thirty six hours thirty three to be precise,
thanks to the full weight of the federal government and
leading out with the partners here in the state of
Utah Governor Cox, the suspect was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Now they can see from surveillance video that he actually
arrived at campus at six twenty nine mountain times, so
far earlier than they had thought. And it looks like
figuring out where his shooting position was going to be
and how he was going to do it. He had
on the clothes that we saw in the photo with
the American flag on them, and then apparently changed into
dark clothing for the actual shooting, and then went back
(08:16):
into the American flag clothing so that there was a
change going on there. Then jumped off the side of
the building and ran in the woods.
Speaker 3 (08:22):
By the way.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
We just got an update from law enforcement that if
you've seen TMZ had it at the video of him
arriving and appearing to have a bad limp, They now
believe that's because he was hiding the weapon in his
pants at that time, that that created the limp that
he had. They think when he was running out, you
can't really tell. As the President said today, he looked
like an ant running on the top of that building.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They think he had it at his.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Side as he was running, and he didn't have the
limp at that point. But his neighbors in Saint George, Utah,
they're shocked by this. Christen is a neighbor. She lifts
three doors down from the Robinson family. She's been there
for decades. She was a custodian at his elementary school.
Says he is extremely.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
Smart, did really well in school, was quiet.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I'm just heartsick for it.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
That's not who he was, That's not who he was
raised to be.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
I think social media and friends that have gotten it wrong.
He apparently knew weapons, he had gone hunting as a kid,
that that was kind of a regular part of what
their family did. But friends and family say that he
had become more political in recent years. He had mentioned
during a dinner recently with family that the Charlie Kirk
was going to be at Utah Valley University. He didn't
like him, didn't like his viewpoints, but they say that
(09:32):
there was nothing indicating he was going to go there,
it's a four hour drive away from where he lived.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
And that he was going to do anything.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
But he's booked at the Utah County Jail, being held
on suspicion of murder. But official charges will be filed
on Tuesday, prosecutors in Utah say, and then federal charges
will probably come as well.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
But he's in jail right now.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Any indication, Alex where this goes from state charges Utah
being going to federal charges and what could be behind that,
do you happen to know?
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:02):
I mean, at some point they probably will file both,
which is pretty common and mass shooter active shooter, you know,
big high profile cases that they'll find something federally that
fits and then can try for the death penalty that
way too. But because Utah has made it pretty clear
that they're going to go for the death penalty, that
that slows down what they need to do on the
federal side. If it had been California, you know, where
(10:24):
there is no death penalty for the most part at
this point, then the Feds would probably speed it up
a little bit more, especially with what the President his
view on.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The way it should go.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
But being Utah, they know that maybe Utah is going
to be a more serious outcome than what the Feds
could do based on the charges, right, and that Utah
maybe the way they want to go, but they'll probably
go both tracks, go federally and state.
Speaker 5 (10:50):
I just wondering, Alex, you are you seeing hearing anything
that will give you any indication as to whether they
consider this completely closed or if there's still I'm not conspiracy,
but I'm I'm wondering if he was completely alone in
this whole thing. I just feel like there was an
extra hand involved.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, they're wondering too, and they got to figure all
that out, you know. I think back to the San
Bernardino terror attack years ago, where they thought it was
only the couple that did it, and then as they
really dug in, they found people and supplied the weapons
and knew the ideology of what was going on, and
then they made arrests outside of what it initially looked like.
So they've got to go through social media. They got
to go through his phone, through all of his communication
(11:29):
and figure out what had he been saying. Did people
root him on, did they send him anything? Where did
he get the gun? From all of that. They don't
know yet that it could widen out. At this moment,
it looks like he did this on his own and
drove to the college and decided to do it. But
that's not to say that it won't.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Wipe the gun. The gun's very very old from what
was being reported, and it's clearly had multiple owners over
the years.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, it may have been imported at some point, it
seems like, so they got to you know, still, when
the ATF, if it is legally owned, the ATF has
to go and find a physical piece of paper of
carbon copy paper to track and trace a weapon. There
is no computerized system to do it. The gun lobby
has not wanted that over the years, so they still
physically have to go and go into storage units and
(12:15):
find that one piece of paper from when it was sold.
So if it is legal to trace the weapon, the
ATF has to go and you know, and just imagine
how many storage units there are of for gun purchases
of individual pieces of paper. They're trying to find that
right now.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yeah, needle in a haystack feels like kind of too.
Alex Stone, ABC News, thanks for the very latest on
this this Tyler Robinson. We appreciate it very much. Have
a great weekend, man, you got it.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Thanks guys.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
Thanks man, did you also? I thought this was interesting
that Governor Cox, Spencer Cox, who is the governor of Utah,
pointed out earlier this morning and it was in my
notes and it got past me when we started the show.
But there were so many things he said that I
really like it. But he pointed out noticed that you know,
(13:04):
there's been no rioting, there's been no looting, right, there's
been none of those lawlessness things that seem to happen
in situations like this or that can happen, and there's
been none of that. That's occurred with this.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
There's been examples of that schedule in the place. Last night,
I was watching Donald Trump when he was informed of
the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg and the grace that
he had because she hated him, I mean, she was
all over Donald Trump and that they were not buddies.
But he said, well, first I've heard of it. But
a wife, a life well lived. She accomplished a great deal,
(13:41):
and I'm sure she'll be remembered eloquence, class respect. I'm sorry,
but you don't see that from the other side of
the political fans. You just don't.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
You really don't. You really really don't. That's not everybody,
but boy, it's a big percentage, it seems like. And
I think it's because it's boring to put somebody or
to focus on somebody saying something nice about this situation,
as opposed to putting up there can you believe they
said this? And it's just post after post after post
(14:12):
of can you believe they said this? And all it
is on social media is a bunch of people stir
in the pot. They're trying to get clicks. I mean,
it's really I feel like the long and short of
it
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