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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yes, they got him. They got him this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Not since Barack Obama told us Osama bin Baden was
not among us have those words been so powerful as
they were today.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
This morning, watching and you know, seeing President Trump on
with Fox and Friends. I watched that whole thing that
was from you know, in the eight o'clock hour. I
ended up watching that live because, uh, well, for obvious reasons,
I started seeing stuff that said, you know, President Trump said,
we've got we got somebody in custody. Someone's in custody,
(00:35):
shooters in custody, we think, you know, strongly, And it
was all those kinds of things, and I knew that
presser was supposed to happen at nine am. They didn't
get to it till what about ten am something like that,
roughly our time. And so Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah,
comes out and he said, good morning, we got him.
(00:56):
Those are the first words uttered this morning. Very powerful.
And the things that he's saying is music to my ears.
And cash Pttel steps up and so on. They start
laying out exactly how this all went down. And this
guy lived three and a half hours in Washington County,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Near the border.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh, you know south from there near the border, and
did you see Spencer? The governor say, I was hoping.
One of my prayers was that it wouldn't be someone
from Utah. I didn't I didn't want one of us
to be the one that took Charlie's life. And he
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said that was one of my prayers, and he kind
of smiled and he said that prayer was not answered,
but many others were. And I thought that was pretty
powerful too. This guy, this this governor.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Just seems he.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Seems man put together. This guy's incredibly intelligent. You can
feel it, and you just feel like, as a conservative,
you align with this guy.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It just feels that way the way he's talking. And
there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
The other day he mentioned that Utah still has the
death penalty and they mentioned the firing squad.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
He didn't, but one of the reporters mentioned that. But man,
what a relief they got this guy.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And I feel like they've got a few things that
they connected here that this is the right one. And
certainly it was frustrating along the way where two different
times they were like, we gotta suspect of interest, a
person of interest, blah blah blah, and clearly twice they
were wrong on that first one being the old guy
with his pants down around his ankle.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I still I'd like to hear the story of that.
What made them think right that he I mean, he
wasn't in possession of a firearm, he was right there
in the crowd. What made them think he should be arrested?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, it's it's odd unless someone around him or or
multiple people started saying the things that the law enforcement
right in that area needed to hear, and you know,
immediately they're like, hey, let's grab this guy. Unfortunately, and
they talked about this, they're like, you got a couple
(03:15):
of people who are now unfortunately going to be part
of history. I don't know how much of that hangs around,
but man, there was a lot of footage of him,
that first guy. Yeah, we described him on the air.
There's stills of him, there's picture his pants were around
his ankles.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's like, what has happened?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's what they got him for? In decent exposure. Maybe
he was, you know, waving Willie at Charlie. That could
be his way of protesting. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I did see there are pictures where his pants are up,
so I don't know how they got down around his
ankles for starters, but anyway, I don't know where you're
at on this. I was incredibly happy to see that.
And when I saw that, and uh, a bunch of
(04:05):
you know, I didn't even see Dan today.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
His name has been very very quiet.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well they use Yeah, they said that both of them
had flown to Utah, but we didn't see him. I
didn't see him in the presser earlier today. And I
watched pretty much all of it until they started getting
when when the governor spoke again, I watched that for
a little while and then I said, okay, I think
I got the gist of this.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, they they pretty.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Much started laying out and then they started taking questions.
A few questions in. I was like, all right, that's
enough of this. Because they started that, you know, let
me take a first question, and then it was off.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Mike and it was like woah wah, woah wah.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And he's watching and then he goes, yeah, I can't
speak to that, and then he goes to another and go, oh.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Are we gonna do this? Really?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You're gonna let people ask a bunch of questions. You're
just gonna say, I can't speak to that. To every question,
why do you do that?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You just made was like Charlie Brown's teacher jogging jogging, yes, yeah, yeah,
moving very fast.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I mean, that was it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I didn't even hear the question. All I know is
I heard him go yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Speak to that. I said, oh, here we go.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But there were some that he was answering and so on.
But the fact that you know, they're reporting that his dad,
his family gave him up, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I Apparently the story ABC News had was that his
dad recognized the picture and talked to him and he
either admitted to or alluded to the fact he had
done this, and his dad told him, you got to
turn yourself in. He would not do that, so dad
called a US marshal and the guy waited there for
the US marshal.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It begs the question, and it doesn't sound like the
answer is yes to the question. I'm about to pose,
were they estranged? Because if they were estranged, it would,
I feel be easier for the dad. They don't talk
about any of that if in fact that is the case.
But as a dad, if you're a strange with someone
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and you go, oh yeah, he's nuts, he's off his rocker,
and then you see that, you go, all right, well,
I'm gonna I'm gonna end this.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm gonna take care of it right now.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I feel like it would be easier in that scenario
as opposed to if he had a good working relationship
with his son. Based on the stuff that you were
telling me. I mean, it's all being reported out there
that all of his socials, of course are gone now,
but I think there were people alluding to that. There
were pictures of you even said, like Mexico, they talked about,
(06:32):
you know, birthdays there, you know, pictures of so I
don't know. It seems as though I think you even
called him before and went on chuck. He said, just
like a typical average American family.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, that's what they look like.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And this guy has nothing in his background when you
look at.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And this is what they've published. I mean, I was
reading up on it. This guy got nothing in his background.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
USA Today said twenty sixteen, they had a Halloween picture
of him, twenty sixteen. Trump, he was Trump in twenty sixty. Yeah. Yeah,
And how do you go from that to this? I
don't know. I you know, the estranged part from the kid.
I haven't really got to think about that because I'll
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tell you I overall, maybe you know, maybe you're right
for me. I don't think it would be easier because
being the kind of dad I am, estranged or not,
that's on my shoulders. I would have been thinking, my god,
what did I do to this kid? What did I
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fail to do? Where did I go wrong that I
allowed this to happen. It would be very It would
be very traumatic for me, even if even if we
were not talking and hadn't talked, to turn in my
own kid, because somehow, as dad, I feel like that
part of what they did is on my shoulders, and
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that's that's difficult, but that's that's my nature.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I don't know if I could do it, Like I
think about Stone in a situation like that, I don't
know if I could do it. Man, I don't know
if I could turn him in. And I'm just being
completely transparent honest right now, because I did.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I did this all morning. I sat there when I
learned that his dad is the one that turned him in,
I was like, wow, I mean, is it the right
thing to do?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But being a dad like you are, like I am
like Zach is you you can't help but say would.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I do that?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
We all have an ideal, but when life smacks you
in your face, you have to make a decision right then,
right there. And your ideals aren't always always your actions. Yeah,
and a lot of people took offense to what the
governor by the way, that remark he made about it.
I was hoping this wasn't you tawing or yeah, you
(08:59):
just I honest, but that you know what, somebody sets
a dumpster on fire after a game worthing, and man,
I hope it wasn't the Buckeye fans.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know, somebody gets shot on the West side and
a black family's going. Man, I hope it was not
a black man out there shooting. That's natural. Yes, I
think that the fact that the governor said that kind
of shows his mindset of unity with the people of
his state. It's one of us, not Republican Democrat anything,
one of us as Utah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
People say people took umbridge with that.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I didn't heard that or read that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I just social media, but I believe it. Yeah, it
complains about everything.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with what this governor said today,
I listened to every word and again we got probably
six seven questions deep, and I said, all right, I
think I've seen.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Enough, but I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I absolutely am on board with everything this guy said,
including the death penalty. If this guy and if he
files look whenever the charges are brought and he pleads
not guilty. If he does, that will make it even
I think a better case for the and and I
(10:13):
I agree with some of the assessment of this that
if he is experience, he expresses no remorse, he is
defiant the whole way this that who's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
This crackpot that shot the United Healthcare.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
MANNGIONI If if he's like that, boy, will that be
really easy.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
For them to convict him and go ahead. And I
feel like, if he's going I didn't I don't know
what happened. I I please forgive me. I didn't mean,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I feel like that would make it harder for them
to put him to death. So if this guy is defiant,
if he pleads not guilty, all of those things, I
think it'll be much easier for people that, you know,
jury of his peers.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Apparently you toll l for the option of lethal injection. Now,
I wanted to look this up because firing squad, the
firing squad is still there, one of three states that
still uses a firing squad, And it wasn't that long ago.
This is why I wanted to check. Wasn't that long ago.
Hanging was also an option in Utah. So you know,
they just dead is dead. I don't think they care
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how it happens.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Right, Those are all different ways, clearly, And yeah, yeah,
like you said, either way, dead is dead, Frank, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Hey guys, Hey, So Kennedy Junior has been talking about
the SSRIs and I haven't heard any they say if
anything like that was related, because you said, how do
you go from this to that?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Was he on this stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Did he stop taking it? I'm not implying anything.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm just curious, you know, don't look into that, No
question about that, because as they begin breaking this down
and trying to figure out because we clearly know the
motive based on the inscriptions on the rounds that weren't spent,
and then also what was on I believe the gun
some of the inscriptions, some of the stuff scratched on
there or inscribed however you want to say it all
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thanks and Frank, thank you. And so I think that
they will, they'll dig into that and see, you know,
his background, that'll be used as a matter of fact,
if he is taking those or was taking those, that'll
end up being part of his defense. I would imagine
if they use insanity.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And I mean it's not something I would say, I okay,
then he should be, you know, not accountable because they
are able to prove something like that. But that kind
of information, that kind of research will be very valuable
to the rest of this country because how many kids
are walking around taking pills to deal with life every
day that may turn them into psychotic murderers in the future. Right,
we can find that out from this guy's situation, you know,
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it's all the better for the kids of the future.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Where else do you place the blame? Where do you
point the fingers as of the last twenty years? I mean,
let's face it, prior to and how long ago was
Columbine twenty four ish?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah? I think it is twenty four?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, So prior to that, how many of those situations
were we encountering? And now they're more fast and furious?
What else do you have to point to two things.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It would be the.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Type of meds that possibly have been introduced over the
last twenty years, and or and or social media and
everyone's looking to get famous, everyone's looking for clicks. I'm
going down in history. I'm going I mean, it really
is starting to feel that way. The governor by the
way of Utah, Spencer Cox, said that social media is evil.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And I'm paraphrasing.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know exactly, but he and I was sitting
there just watching, going absolutely, boy, I feel.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like life would be way better without it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'm just and I don't know, call me old guy,
get off my lawn, got whatever, but I I feel
like society would be way better without that, because he
was kind of pointing to, now, you know, in addition
to this gal who got knifed on the subway and Charlotte,
and then in addition to that, this is out there
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forever what happened with Charlie, and and that that video
is anybody can see it quickly easily, right now, right
and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just bad of her last night too that I had
not seen yet, and I my eyes just welled up.
It hurts so bad. It was it was a close
up video and the look on her face. She was
not instantly dead. She crawled in that chair and she
she had just the look in her eyes, like God,
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what just happened to me? What should I do? I again,
I'm a daddy man. I just I wanted to reach
through that screen and save her at tore me up.
I have not seen that close up video, but seeing
her face the way I saw it last night really
got me, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
The governor said this also, Chuck. He said, with regard
to that and this shooting with Charlie and all of
the other graphic videos that are out there, he said,
the average human being and brain is not built to
see that. No, we're not built to see that. It
is desensitizing. People were not built to We can't continue
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watching those things. And that is where it's so readily
available to anybody who has Facebook, or anybody who.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Has X, or any child at the library with a
library card that can get on a computers.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It's absolutely one hundred percent truth what he said there.
And now this is putting the toothpaste back in the tube,
if you will. And it's impossible, that is so profound
that you're as a human the average human brain is
not built. That's why you hear all the time about
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guys who come back from war and they see these
horrific things. That's what PTSD is. Police officers who see
the worst of the worst. They have a front row seat.
It changes you, it does, there's an actual change that occurs,
and that's what's happening. Millions of Americans every day watching
this stuff. It is absolute garbage. Oh my gosh, it
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is really really, just devastation.
Yes, they got him. They got him this morning.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Not since Barack Obama told us Osama bin Baden was
not among us have those words been so powerful as
they were today.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
This morning, watching and you know, seeing President Trump on
with Fox and Friends. I watched that whole thing that
was from you know, in the eight o'clock hour. I
ended up watching that live because, uh, well, for obvious reasons,
I started seeing stuff that said, you know, President Trump said,
we've got we got somebody in custody. Someone's in custody,
(00:35):
shooters in custody, we think, you know, strongly, And it
was all those kinds of things, and I knew that
presser was supposed to happen at nine am. They didn't
get to it till what about ten am something like that,
roughly our time. And so Spencer Cox, the governor of Utah,
comes out and he said, good morning, we got him.
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Those are the first words uttered this morning. Very powerful.
And the things that he's saying is music to my ears.
And cash Pttel steps up and so on. They start
laying out exactly how this all went down. And this
guy lived three and a half hours in Washington County,
I guess.
Speaker 1 (01:15):
Near the border.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Uh, you know south from there near the border, and
did you see Spencer? The governor say, I was hoping.
One of my prayers was that it wouldn't be someone
from Utah. I didn't I didn't want one of us
to be the one that took Charlie's life. And he
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said that was one of my prayers, and he kind
of smiled and he said that prayer was not answered,
but many others were. And I thought that was pretty
powerful too. This guy, this this governor.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
Just seems he.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Seems man put together. This guy's incredibly intelligent. You can
feel it, and you just feel like, as a conservative,
you align with this guy.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
It just feels that way the way he's talking. And
there's a reason.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
The other day he mentioned that Utah still has the
death penalty and they mentioned the firing squad.
Speaker 1 (02:15):
He didn't, but one of the reporters mentioned that. But man,
what a relief they got this guy.
Speaker 3 (02:22):
And I feel like they've got a few things that
they connected here that this is the right one. And
certainly it was frustrating along the way where two different
times they were like, we gotta suspect of interest, a
person of interest, blah blah blah, and clearly twice they
were wrong on that first one being the old guy
with his pants down around his ankle.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
I still I'd like to hear the story of that.
What made them think right that he I mean, he
wasn't in possession of a firearm, he was right there
in the crowd. What made them think he should be arrested?
Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah, it's it's odd unless someone around him or or
multiple people started saying the things that the law enforcement
right in that area needed to hear, and you know,
immediately they're like, hey, let's grab this guy. Unfortunately, and
they talked about this, they're like, you got a couple
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of people who are now unfortunately going to be part
of history. I don't know how much of that hangs around,
but man, there was a lot of footage of him,
that first guy. Yeah, we described him on the air.
There's stills of him, there's picture his pants were around
his ankles.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
It's like, what has happened?
Speaker 2 (03:33):
That's what they got him for? In decent exposure. Maybe
he was, you know, waving Willie at Charlie. That could
be his way of protesting. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I did see there are pictures where his pants are up,
so I don't know how they got down around his
ankles for starters, but anyway, I don't know where you're
at on this. I was incredibly happy to see that.
And when I saw that, and uh, a bunch of
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you know, I didn't even see Dan today.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
His name has been very very quiet.
Speaker 3 (04:11):
Well they use Yeah, they said that both of them
had flown to Utah, but we didn't see him. I
didn't see him in the presser earlier today. And I
watched pretty much all of it until they started getting
when when the governor spoke again, I watched that for
a little while and then I said, okay, I think
I got the gist of this.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I mean, they they pretty.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
Much started laying out and then they started taking questions.
A few questions in. I was like, all right, that's
enough of this. Because they started that, you know, let
me take a first question, and then it was off.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Mike and it was like woah wah, woah wah.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And he's watching and then he goes, yeah, I can't
speak to that, and then he goes to another and go, oh.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
Are we gonna do this? Really?
Speaker 3 (04:50):
You're gonna let people ask a bunch of questions. You're
just gonna say, I can't speak to that. To every question,
why do you do that?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
You just made was like Charlie Brown's teacher jogging jogging, yes, yeah, yeah,
moving very fast.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
I mean, that was it.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
I didn't even hear the question. All I know is
I heard him go yeah, I can't.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
Speak to that. I said, oh, here we go.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
But there were some that he was answering and so on.
But the fact that you know, they're reporting that his dad,
his family gave him up, yep.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I Apparently the story ABC News had was that his
dad recognized the picture and talked to him and he
either admitted to or alluded to the fact he had
done this, and his dad told him, you got to
turn yourself in. He would not do that, so dad
called a US marshal and the guy waited there for
the US marshal.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
It begs the question, and it doesn't sound like the
answer is yes to the question. I'm about to pose,
were they estranged? Because if they were estranged, it would,
I feel be easier for the dad. They don't talk
about any of that if in fact that is the case.
But as a dad, if you're a strange with someone
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and you go, oh yeah, he's nuts, he's off his rocker,
and then you see that, you go, all right, well,
I'm gonna I'm gonna end this.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I'm gonna take care of it right now.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
I feel like it would be easier in that scenario
as opposed to if he had a good working relationship
with his son. Based on the stuff that you were
telling me. I mean, it's all being reported out there
that all of his socials, of course are gone now,
but I think there were people alluding to that. There
were pictures of you even said, like Mexico, they talked about,
(06:32):
you know, birthdays there, you know, pictures of so I
don't know. It seems as though I think you even
called him before and went on chuck. He said, just
like a typical average American family.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, that's what they look like.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
And this guy has nothing in his background when you
look at.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
And this is what they've published. I mean, I was
reading up on it. This guy got nothing in his background.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
USA Today said twenty sixteen, they had a Halloween picture
of him, twenty sixteen. Trump, he was Trump in twenty sixty. Yeah. Yeah,
And how do you go from that to this? I
don't know. I you know, the estranged part from the kid.
I haven't really got to think about that because I'll
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tell you I overall, maybe you know, maybe you're right
for me. I don't think it would be easier because
being the kind of dad I am, estranged or not,
that's on my shoulders. I would have been thinking, my god,
what did I do to this kid? What did I
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fail to do? Where did I go wrong that I
allowed this to happen. It would be very It would
be very traumatic for me, even if even if we
were not talking and hadn't talked, to turn in my
own kid, because somehow, as dad, I feel like that
part of what they did is on my shoulders, and
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that's that's difficult, but that's that's my nature.
Speaker 4 (08:03):
I don't know if I could do it, Like I
think about Stone in a situation like that, I don't
know if I could do it. Man, I don't know
if I could turn him in. And I'm just being
completely transparent honest right now, because I did.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
I did this all morning. I sat there when I
learned that his dad is the one that turned him in,
I was like, wow, I mean, is it the right
thing to do?
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (08:30):
But being a dad like you are, like I am
like Zach is you you can't help but say would.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
I do that?
Speaker 2 (08:39):
We all have an ideal, but when life smacks you
in your face, you have to make a decision right then,
right there. And your ideals aren't always always your actions. Yeah,
and a lot of people took offense to what the
governor by the way, that remark he made about it.
I was hoping this wasn't you tawing or yeah, you
(08:59):
just I honest, but that you know what, somebody sets
a dumpster on fire after a game worthing, and man,
I hope it wasn't the Buckeye fans.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Same thing.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
You know, somebody gets shot on the West side and
a black family's going. Man, I hope it was not
a black man out there shooting. That's natural. Yes, I
think that the fact that the governor said that kind
of shows his mindset of unity with the people of
his state. It's one of us, not Republican Democrat anything,
one of us as Utah.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
People say people took umbridge with that.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Yeah I didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I didn't heard that or read that.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I just social media, but I believe it. Yeah, it
complains about everything.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Yeah, there's absolutely nothing wrong with what this governor said today,
I listened to every word and again we got probably
six seven questions deep, and I said, all right, I
think I've seen.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Enough, but I watched the whole thing.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
I absolutely am on board with everything this guy said,
including the death penalty. If this guy and if he
files look whenever the charges are brought and he pleads
not guilty. If he does, that will make it even
I think a better case for the and and I
(10:13):
I agree with some of the assessment of this that
if he is experience, he expresses no remorse, he is
defiant the whole way this that who's.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
This crackpot that shot the United Healthcare.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
MANNGIONI If if he's like that, boy, will that be
really easy.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
For them to convict him and go ahead. And I
feel like, if he's going I didn't I don't know
what happened. I I please forgive me. I didn't mean,
you know.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I feel like that would make it harder for them
to put him to death. So if this guy is defiant,
if he pleads not guilty, all of those things, I
think it'll be much easier for people that, you know,
jury of his peers.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Apparently you toll l for the option of lethal injection. Now,
I wanted to look this up because firing squad, the
firing squad is still there, one of three states that
still uses a firing squad, And it wasn't that long ago.
This is why I wanted to check. Wasn't that long ago.
Hanging was also an option in Utah. So you know,
they just dead is dead. I don't think they care
(11:19):
how it happens.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Right, Those are all different ways, clearly, And yeah, yeah,
like you said, either way, dead is dead, Frank, Welcome
to the show.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
Hey guys, Hey, So Kennedy Junior has been talking about
the SSRIs and I haven't heard any they say if
anything like that was related, because you said, how do
you go from this to that?
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Was he on this stuff?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Did he stop taking it? I'm not implying anything.
Speaker 3 (11:52):
I'm just curious, you know, don't look into that, No
question about that, because as they begin breaking this down
and trying to figure out because we clearly know the
motive based on the inscriptions on the rounds that weren't spent,
and then also what was on I believe the gun
some of the inscriptions, some of the stuff scratched on
there or inscribed however you want to say it all
(12:14):
thanks and Frank, thank you. And so I think that
they will, they'll dig into that and see, you know,
his background, that'll be used as a matter of fact,
if he is taking those or was taking those, that'll
end up being part of his defense. I would imagine
if they use insanity.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
And I mean it's not something I would say, I okay,
then he should be, you know, not accountable because they
are able to prove something like that. But that kind
of information, that kind of research will be very valuable
to the rest of this country because how many kids
are walking around taking pills to deal with life every
day that may turn them into psychotic murderers in the future. Right,
we can find that out from this guy's situation, you know,
(13:00):
it's all the better for the kids of the future.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
Where else do you place the blame? Where do you
point the fingers as of the last twenty years? I mean,
let's face it, prior to and how long ago was
Columbine twenty four ish?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Yeah? I think it is twenty four?
Speaker 3 (13:18):
Yeah, So prior to that, how many of those situations
were we encountering? And now they're more fast and furious?
What else do you have to point to two things.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
It would be the.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Type of meds that possibly have been introduced over the
last twenty years, and or and or social media and
everyone's looking to get famous, everyone's looking for clicks. I'm
going down in history. I'm going I mean, it really
is starting to feel that way. The governor by the
way of Utah, Spencer Cox, said that social media is evil.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
And I'm paraphrasing.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know exactly, but he and I was sitting
there just watching, going absolutely, boy, I feel.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
Like life would be way better without it.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I'm just and I don't know, call me old guy,
get off my lawn, got whatever, but I I feel
like society would be way better without that, because he
was kind of pointing to, now, you know, in addition
to this gal who got knifed on the subway and Charlotte,
and then in addition to that, this is out there
(14:26):
forever what happened with Charlie, and and that that video
is anybody can see it quickly easily, right now, right
and it's.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Just bad of her last night too that I had
not seen yet, and I my eyes just welled up.
It hurts so bad. It was it was a close
up video and the look on her face. She was
not instantly dead. She crawled in that chair and she
she had just the look in her eyes, like God,
(14:57):
what just happened to me? What should I do? I again,
I'm a daddy man. I just I wanted to reach
through that screen and save her at tore me up.
I have not seen that close up video, but seeing
her face the way I saw it last night really
got me, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
The governor said this also, Chuck. He said, with regard
to that and this shooting with Charlie and all of
the other graphic videos that are out there, he said,
the average human being and brain is not built to
see that. No, we're not built to see that. It
is desensitizing. People were not built to We can't continue
(15:35):
watching those things. And that is where it's so readily
available to anybody who has Facebook, or anybody who.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Has X, or any child at the library with a
library card that can get on a computers.
Speaker 3 (15:49):
It's absolutely one hundred percent truth what he said there.
And now this is putting the toothpaste back in the tube,
if you will. And it's impossible, that is so profound
that you're as a human the average human brain is
not built. That's why you hear all the time about
(16:10):
guys who come back from war and they see these
horrific things. That's what PTSD is. Police officers who see
the worst of the worst. They have a front row seat.
It changes you, it does, there's an actual change that occurs,
and that's what's happening. Millions of Americans every day watching
this stuff. It is absolute garbage. Oh my gosh, it
(16:34):
is really really, just devastation.
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