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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Nine women, three men, the jury reaching a verdict after
about eight hours of deliberation over two days. In this case,
they heard from seventeen witnesses, fourteen from the special prosecutors
in the case, and three in Grub's defense. Grubb did
not testify just as a reminder, and they decided on
(00:23):
six charges against Grubb, who initially, by the way, faced
ten felonies. Judge Young dismissed four charges against Connor Grubb,
all related to the death of Young's unborn child, after
he said prosecutors failed to present any evidence in the
case to support them. How would these officers have known
(00:45):
that she was pregnant And there's just no way they
couldn't establish that that was the case. So four of
the ten charges were thrown out. And then earlier today
we heard the Blenden township officer Connor Grubb found not
guilty in the fatal shooting of Takaya Young. And so
(01:07):
he is the FOP President Lodge and I'm Brian Steele
joining us now, and Brian, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, good afternoon, Thank you Martin.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Thanks for jumping on with us. We appreciate this. So
your thoughts here Justice, I mean this is the way
this was supposed to go out, or this was the
way this was supposed to happen, if you believe in
actual justice, if you're one of those people, although there
are plenty of people I guess on the other side
who are saying they believe in justice and justice was
(01:39):
not served.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So what's your take on all of this?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So I've said this one hundred times and I'll say again.
Justice is not an outcome. Justice is a process. We
expect fair trials no matter who it is. We expect
a criminal justice system that's unmolested. We expect a criminal
justice system without any kind of prosecutorial misconduct like is
accused in the Quit case. In this case, the facts
of the case were heard by both sides and the jury.
(02:03):
Despite you know, the out of state you know, snake
oil salesman, high priced experts coming in trying to change
the law. The jury wouldn't hear that. And this is
the outcome was a not guilty, which is another way
of saying the officer was justified. That does not make
it less tragic. It means he was justified in shooting.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah. I what I don't I think is just not fair.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is the Walton and Gresham, which are that was her attorneys.
They deserve, they said, they deserve financial security. Talking about
her young sons, both under the age of ten, they
deserve to grow up in a world where pregnant black
women are not killed by police over shoplifting accusations. That
that's it's not fair when they put a statement out
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like that. It's not fair when when I hear something
like that, my blood boil.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
She's stealing the booze from she's on Well, she was
obviously taking care of the children. That's what we're worried about,
the children, And she was stealing booze. Was that for
the children? No, So if she was doing that not
to provide for them, why should everybody else be tasked
of writing for them because of the acts that she did.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The thing is they're calling it accusation, shoplifting accusation.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's on camera.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's the thing that's making my blood boil about this.
I'm like, these two idiots are putting a statement that
is reckless, that is incorrect, and it's absolutely false what
they're saying about this. And I know you you try
to keep emotion out of it, Brian, and you're good
at that because quite frankly, in your line of work
you have to do that. But man, when I see this,
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I'm and then they go on together with it, and
they deserve a legal system that delivers accountability even when
a criminal jury cannot. And I I again, I can't.
It's so hard to get past that statement. I read
that over and over and I probably should have stopped
after like the.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Second time, because it's making me crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm like, they're lying, They're flat lying through their teeth
with this. But uh, I you know, when you see
something like that, you got to be scratching your head,
especially in your position, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So listen, I follow the money. The individual there with
the fancy two thousand dollars suit, trying to raise spait,
trying to stir up, try to talk about riot. That's
how they get paid. These individuals, these attorneys do not
care one bit about people of color or our community.
It's how are you going to get money? How are
you going to get money through settlements from the government,
How are you going to get money for Kroger. These
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are the same attorneys that sued named a twenty one
year old girl who worked at Kroger for telling the
police this lady is shoplifting. I have to make this
abundantly clear, and I want to strike this hard to
every listener. I do not think miss Young was a
bad person. I think Miss Young made a serious of
bad mistakes that had a tragic outcome. If there is
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any kind of fundraiser, any kind of crowdsourcing for her children,
let me know. The Steel family will cut a check.
It is not these two children's fault that their parents
made a terrible decision. But you're not going to blame
You're not going to put this on the hands of
the police.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Also, they were calling this an American tragedy that they
points to a need for broader conversations about policing. When
you watch this, Brian Steele, FOP President Lodge nine, when
you watch this whole thing, We've seen this footage over
and over. This is not edited footage. We've seen it
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over and over. As far as broader conversations about policing
and how they are calling this two systems of justice,
and they question whether this incident would have ended differently
if Young had been white. I don't know how you
make any I don't know how you draw that conclusion
from anything as far as what all of us have
had two eyes that can see that have seen this footage,
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it is what it is. She tried to run over
him and he was trying to defend himself so he
could go home and be with his family that night.
And they talk about policing. This feels textbook to me
as far as if you didn't want to die, someone's
got to be stopped here one or the other. And
that was his job to stop this whole thing from happening.
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And that's how we ended up.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Where we're at.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's right. And listen, we'll always have those conversations. We
always try to find ways to do better. I can
tell you these individuals talk about this divide. The divide
is not as great as some say. And it's funny.
The individuals need to come out, jump in a police car,
come bride with the men and women in Central High
law enforcement. Come in these communities. Don't just show up,
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you know, like a moth to the flame when something
tragedy happens.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And as far as officer or Connor Grubb, he's still
with Blended Township, correct, is he still an officer with them?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, he's still a police officer. Blended Township, you know,
is the textbook of what it means to support your officers.
Don't just you know, turn away and abandon them. Whether
he's going to go back to a work or not,
that's a conversation. You know, we'll have another day. Right now.
I spoke to Connor Grubb. He was just going home.
He was gonna just you know, take care of the kid,
take care of the family, and just be you know,
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glad of this outcome. There's no celebrating. I guarantee Connor
Grub right now is not popping champagne bottles celebrating. He's
going home, he's praying. He's just thanking God that the
jury saw the fact city case blocked out the noise
and ruled the way they did.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, I feel like the only champagne if any if
he's popping, it's just because he's gone.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Thank goodness. I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Possibly I could have spent the rest of my life
in prison and I don't have to now. It's not
about yeah, I got away with something or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He's going. This is how it shouldn't have even come
to this, And the fact.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That all of this time was wasted, and I just
don't feel like there was anything that indicated that he
was in the wrong here from the very beginning, Like
Chuck pointed out, we watched her shoplifting. Does she deserve
to die for shoplifting? I don't know the ed they're
saying six hundred dollars. I don't care if it was
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sixteen hundred dollars or twenty six hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Of the liquor. The answer to that is no.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I mean you're stealing something and that that what unfortunately happened,
doesn't fit the crime here in that situation. The only
reason that it ended up this way is because she
tried to run over an officer who you know, was
just trying to live and go home himself. That kind
of a thing, I I I, this is this whole thing.
(08:25):
When you look at the outcome of this, were you
shocked that? Because Chuck was kind of like, he goes,
I gotta be honest, I didn't know that it was
going to turn out this way because it just seems
like it is a crooked, weird justice system that has
been happening as of late.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
There is so this again, this is the last prosecutor.
We know this sublicious indictments. We know that The interesting
with this case is generally in the American criminal justice
system in courts, it's generally defense. Defense goes out and
they spend money for you know, high profile experts with
a big price tag. It was the opposite in this
The prosecution spent taxpayer dollars on expert so called expert
(09:03):
witness that charge a lot of money, six hundred dollars
an hour type stuff. So that's kind of a little
bit different the prosecutor's office. The last prosecutor gave a
mandate go out and dike cops, try to imprison cops,
and that's what he did. I have faith that the
news prosecutor is not going to follow that that same outcome.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And the thing of it is, you know, remember when
all the peaceful protesting was tearing apart, burning down, destroying
Columbus ohighway to seven people arrested, eighty seven people set
free the next day, none of them faced any repercussions.
That's why I was surprised by this verdict because that's
the court system I've been watching for the past few years,
and I'm happy about the verdict. Absolutely, but I was
(09:42):
not expecting it. Now, frankly, I'm sitting back and watching
the people of my hometown. I hope that no stupidity
occurs in the aftermath here. And as I sit here
reading commentary from individuals on various news sites and so forth,
the old people, it is what it is, it is over.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Move on.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We do not need any any garbage in the streets,
because all you do is create more garbage.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
When you do that, and I can't see that happening.
I understand some of these individuals that make money off
these incidents would love to see some kind of civil
arrest riot I don't see it. I spend a majority
of my time in inner city community of color. The
individuals I talk to every day I serve, I think
they think this was justified. Although tragic, I have more
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faith in my community. I think we're in a different time,
the temperature is different. This just is what it is.
It's a tragic situation. The officer did his duty and
unfortunately the young lady lost her life to her own doing.
But either way, I'm going to pray for that family
and those kids, and y F WELP is here. If
there's anything we could do for those children.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Do you think today's verdict helps, for instance, Jason Mead's
case or Ricky Anderson's case, which are both scheduled to
go next year early next year for Jason and then
a little bit later for Ricky. Do you think that
today's verdict helps those cases now?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Moving forward?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I do. I think there should never Officer or deputy
Meds was a mistrial. I don't see any reason why
we're going to retry that. Why are we going to
spend the money on something that's even less likely to
result in a guilty He was just dis justified. Then?
What was crazy with the meat case? The last court
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they asked me, they said did the individual have a gun?
And he said yes, and he goes, were you scared
for your life? Yes? Were you scared for citizen's life? Yes?
Well then why did you chase them? Well that's what
cops do, right, we see some with a gun. If
you're in danger of the public, we're going to chase
you find me one person that wants an officer just
to retreat and say, oh, I hope someone catches him.
(11:50):
I would like to see this prosecutor drop the charges
on both of them. Why did you chase the charge
in the first place.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's an inane question. It's offensively stupid to even ask
that question of a law enforcement officer. That is your job,
that is your task in life. And let's see again,
this is exactly people say inflammatory crap to create flames,
not because it makes sense, because they're looking to elicit
a reaction. And and something like that. Mark said, oh,
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I'll go. You know, she while she may not have
deserved to lose her life for stealing booze, No, absolutely not.
And nobody in that Kroger parking lot. It's not just
about the officer. Had she hit the accelerator, peeled out
and tried to escape, how many women walking their kids
and strollers across the Kroger parking lot could be victims.
How many old people with walkers trying to get to
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the handicapped spot could be victims. Their job is to
protect us from people who could do that, and that's
what this officer did.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, this notion that we're supposed to just an officer
supposed to witness a crime and just let them go,
quote unquote, that's not what we do. That's nonfeasance, mouthfeas
ands misfeasants. We have an all the gation, we have
a duty, we see a crime committee. We detained somebody.
Our policies talk about just because someone offers resistance, that
doesn't mean we get to just put our hands up
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and say, okay you resistance, so you can go now, No,
you take that person into custody.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, if if our mayor had his way, they would
have to call in social workers at that point to
try to try to talk them out of whatever it
was that they're doing. This is I feel like this
conversation would be very, very different had we had a
different president elected. That's just my own thoughts on this,
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and I just feel like, overalls, the temperature of these
types of things are starting to kind of get back
to where it should be, which is the officers are
allowed to police. God forbid, we have police officers that
are allowed to police. It seems like it's moving that direction.
Am I off on that or are you kind of
(13:55):
seeing that as well?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Brian?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So we're defin the pendulum was definitely swung back. You know,
we police based on community expectations. I truly believe our communities,
our inner city communities, our challenge communities always wanted the police.
We saw in the Short North around twenty twenty Short North,
you know there where there was this kind of push
that we don't want the police in there anymore. Well,
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what happened when the police pulled back the Short and
oath almost fell the crime and crime was so high.
What do we do? We bring the police back to
the Short North and we were able to lower that there.
If you look at our crime statistics that are going down,
it's not because we're holding hands and saying kumbaya. It's
because police are allowed to be the police. We're getting
back to that. And our chief Chief Bryant does a
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great job. Chaff Fuldwin does a great job of telling
their officers go out there, do your job. If you
do your job right, we'll support you. If you fall short,
we'll hold you accountable. And as the FOP President, I
commit to that and I one hundred percent stand by
them and that philosophy.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
FOB President Lodge nine, Brian Steele, thank you very much
for jumping on with us today and I hope you're
able to have a good weekend, And just thanks for
lending your expertise on this and your thoughts because I
know it is occupied a lion's share of your time
over these.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Last several months.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Man, thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, thanks, appreciate you
Nine women, three men, the jury reaching a verdict after
about eight hours of deliberation over two days. In this case,
they heard from seventeen witnesses, fourteen from the special prosecutors
in the case, and three in Grub's defense. Grubb did
not testify just as a reminder, and they decided on
(00:23):
six charges against Grubb, who initially, by the way, faced
ten felonies. Judge Young dismissed four charges against Connor Grubb,
all related to the death of Young's unborn child, after
he said prosecutors failed to present any evidence in the
case to support them. How would these officers have known
(00:45):
that she was pregnant And there's just no way they
couldn't establish that that was the case. So four of
the ten charges were thrown out. And then earlier today
we heard the Blenden township officer Connor Grubb found not
guilty in the fatal shooting of Takaya Young. And so
(01:07):
he is the FOP President Lodge and I'm Brian Steele
joining us now, and Brian, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Yeah, good afternoon, Thank you Martin.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Thanks for jumping on with us. We appreciate this. So
your thoughts here Justice, I mean this is the way
this was supposed to go out, or this was the
way this was supposed to happen, if you believe in
actual justice, if you're one of those people, although there
are plenty of people I guess on the other side
who are saying they believe in justice and justice was
(01:39):
not served.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
So what's your take on all of this?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
So I've said this one hundred times and I'll say again.
Justice is not an outcome. Justice is a process. We
expect fair trials no matter who it is. We expect
a criminal justice system that's unmolested. We expect a criminal
justice system without any kind of prosecutorial misconduct like is
accused in the Quit case. In this case, the facts
of the case were heard by both sides and the jury.
(02:03):
Despite you know, the out of state you know, snake
oil salesman, high priced experts coming in trying to change
the law. The jury wouldn't hear that. And this is
the outcome was a not guilty, which is another way
of saying the officer was justified. That does not make
it less tragic. It means he was justified in shooting.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Yeah. I what I don't I think is just not fair.
Speaker 1 (02:24):
Is the Walton and Gresham, which are that was her attorneys.
They deserve, they said, they deserve financial security. Talking about
her young sons, both under the age of ten, they
deserve to grow up in a world where pregnant black
women are not killed by police over shoplifting accusations. That
that's it's not fair when they put a statement out
(02:47):
like that. It's not fair when when I hear something
like that, my blood boil.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
She's stealing the booze from she's on Well, she was
obviously taking care of the children. That's what we're worried about,
the children, And she was stealing booze. Was that for
the children? No, So if she was doing that not
to provide for them, why should everybody else be tasked
of writing for them because of the acts that she did.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
The thing is they're calling it accusation, shoplifting accusation.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
It's on camera.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's the thing that's making my blood boil about this.
I'm like, these two idiots are putting a statement that
is reckless, that is incorrect, and it's absolutely false what
they're saying about this. And I know you you try
to keep emotion out of it, Brian, and you're good
at that because quite frankly, in your line of work
you have to do that. But man, when I see this,
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I'm and then they go on together with it, and
they deserve a legal system that delivers accountability even when
a criminal jury cannot. And I I again, I can't.
It's so hard to get past that statement. I read
that over and over and I probably should have stopped
after like the.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Second time, because it's making me crazy.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
I'm like, they're lying, They're flat lying through their teeth
with this. But uh, I you know, when you see
something like that, you got to be scratching your head,
especially in your position, I would imagine.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
So listen, I follow the money. The individual there with
the fancy two thousand dollars suit, trying to raise spait,
trying to stir up, try to talk about riot. That's
how they get paid. These individuals, these attorneys do not
care one bit about people of color or our community.
It's how are you going to get money? How are
you going to get money through settlements from the government,
How are you going to get money for Kroger. These
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are the same attorneys that sued named a twenty one
year old girl who worked at Kroger for telling the
police this lady is shoplifting. I have to make this
abundantly clear, and I want to strike this hard to
every listener. I do not think miss Young was a
bad person. I think Miss Young made a serious of
bad mistakes that had a tragic outcome. If there is
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any kind of fundraiser, any kind of crowdsourcing for her children,
let me know. The Steel family will cut a check.
It is not these two children's fault that their parents
made a terrible decision. But you're not going to blame
You're not going to put this on the hands of
the police.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Also, they were calling this an American tragedy that they
points to a need for broader conversations about policing. When
you watch this, Brian Steele, FOP President Lodge nine, when
you watch this whole thing, We've seen this footage over
and over. This is not edited footage. We've seen it
(05:25):
over and over. As far as broader conversations about policing
and how they are calling this two systems of justice,
and they question whether this incident would have ended differently
if Young had been white. I don't know how you
make any I don't know how you draw that conclusion
from anything as far as what all of us have
had two eyes that can see that have seen this footage,
(05:49):
it is what it is. She tried to run over
him and he was trying to defend himself so he
could go home and be with his family that night.
And they talk about policing. This feels textbook to me
as far as if you didn't want to die, someone's
got to be stopped here one or the other. And
that was his job to stop this whole thing from happening.
(06:11):
And that's how we ended up.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Where we're at.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That's right. And listen, we'll always have those conversations. We
always try to find ways to do better. I can
tell you these individuals talk about this divide. The divide
is not as great as some say. And it's funny.
The individuals need to come out, jump in a police car,
come bride with the men and women in Central High
law enforcement. Come in these communities. Don't just show up,
(06:35):
you know, like a moth to the flame when something
tragedy happens.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
And as far as officer or Connor Grubb, he's still
with Blended Township, correct, is he still an officer with them?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, yeah, he's still a police officer. Blended Township, you know,
is the textbook of what it means to support your officers.
Don't just you know, turn away and abandon them. Whether
he's going to go back to a work or not,
that's a conversation. You know, we'll have another day. Right now.
I spoke to Connor Grubb. He was just going home.
He was gonna just you know, take care of the kid,
take care of the family, and just be you know,
(07:06):
glad of this outcome. There's no celebrating. I guarantee Connor
Grub right now is not popping champagne bottles celebrating. He's
going home, he's praying. He's just thanking God that the
jury saw the fact city case blocked out the noise
and ruled the way they did.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yeah, I feel like the only champagne if any if
he's popping, it's just because he's gone.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
Thank goodness. I don't have to.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
Possibly I could have spent the rest of my life
in prison and I don't have to now. It's not
about yeah, I got away with something or whatever.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
He's going. This is how it shouldn't have even come
to this, And the fact.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
That all of this time was wasted, and I just
don't feel like there was anything that indicated that he
was in the wrong here from the very beginning, Like
Chuck pointed out, we watched her shoplifting. Does she deserve
to die for shoplifting? I don't know the ed they're
saying six hundred dollars. I don't care if it was
(07:59):
sixteen hundred dollars or twenty six hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Of the liquor. The answer to that is no.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
I mean you're stealing something and that that what unfortunately happened,
doesn't fit the crime here in that situation. The only
reason that it ended up this way is because she
tried to run over an officer who you know, was
just trying to live and go home himself. That kind
of a thing, I I I, this is this whole thing.
(08:25):
When you look at the outcome of this, were you
shocked that? Because Chuck was kind of like, he goes,
I gotta be honest, I didn't know that it was
going to turn out this way because it just seems
like it is a crooked, weird justice system that has
been happening as of late.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
There is so this again, this is the last prosecutor.
We know this sublicious indictments. We know that The interesting
with this case is generally in the American criminal justice
system in courts, it's generally defense. Defense goes out and
they spend money for you know, high profile experts with
a big price tag. It was the opposite in this
The prosecution spent taxpayer dollars on expert so called expert
(09:03):
witness that charge a lot of money, six hundred dollars
an hour type stuff. So that's kind of a little
bit different the prosecutor's office. The last prosecutor gave a
mandate go out and dike cops, try to imprison cops,
and that's what he did. I have faith that the
news prosecutor is not going to follow that that same outcome.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And the thing of it is, you know, remember when
all the peaceful protesting was tearing apart, burning down, destroying
Columbus ohighway to seven people arrested, eighty seven people set
free the next day, none of them faced any repercussions.
That's why I was surprised by this verdict because that's
the court system I've been watching for the past few years,
and I'm happy about the verdict. Absolutely, but I was
(09:42):
not expecting it. Now, frankly, I'm sitting back and watching
the people of my hometown. I hope that no stupidity
occurs in the aftermath here. And as I sit here
reading commentary from individuals on various news sites and so forth,
the old people, it is what it is, it is over.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Move on.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
We do not need any any garbage in the streets,
because all you do is create more garbage.
Speaker 2 (10:09):
When you do that, and I can't see that happening.
I understand some of these individuals that make money off
these incidents would love to see some kind of civil
arrest riot I don't see it. I spend a majority
of my time in inner city community of color. The
individuals I talk to every day I serve, I think
they think this was justified. Although tragic, I have more
(10:29):
faith in my community. I think we're in a different time,
the temperature is different. This just is what it is.
It's a tragic situation. The officer did his duty and
unfortunately the young lady lost her life to her own doing.
But either way, I'm going to pray for that family
and those kids, and y F WELP is here. If
there's anything we could do for those children.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Do you think today's verdict helps, for instance, Jason Mead's
case or Ricky Anderson's case, which are both scheduled to
go next year early next year for Jason and then
a little bit later for Ricky. Do you think that
today's verdict helps those cases now?
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Moving forward?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
I do. I think there should never Officer or deputy
Meds was a mistrial. I don't see any reason why
we're going to retry that. Why are we going to
spend the money on something that's even less likely to
result in a guilty He was just dis justified. Then?
What was crazy with the meat case? The last court
(11:28):
they asked me, they said did the individual have a gun?
And he said yes, and he goes, were you scared
for your life? Yes? Were you scared for citizen's life? Yes?
Well then why did you chase them? Well that's what
cops do, right, we see some with a gun. If
you're in danger of the public, we're going to chase
you find me one person that wants an officer just
to retreat and say, oh, I hope someone catches him.
(11:50):
I would like to see this prosecutor drop the charges
on both of them. Why did you chase the charge
in the first place.
Speaker 4 (11:56):
That's an inane question. It's offensively stupid to even ask
that question of a law enforcement officer. That is your job,
that is your task in life. And let's see again,
this is exactly people say inflammatory crap to create flames,
not because it makes sense, because they're looking to elicit
a reaction. And and something like that. Mark said, oh,
(12:20):
I'll go. You know, she while she may not have
deserved to lose her life for stealing booze, No, absolutely not.
And nobody in that Kroger parking lot. It's not just
about the officer. Had she hit the accelerator, peeled out
and tried to escape, how many women walking their kids
and strollers across the Kroger parking lot could be victims.
How many old people with walkers trying to get to
(12:40):
the handicapped spot could be victims. Their job is to
protect us from people who could do that, and that's
what this officer did.
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Yeah, this notion that we're supposed to just an officer
supposed to witness a crime and just let them go,
quote unquote, that's not what we do. That's nonfeasance, mouthfeas
ands misfeasants. We have an all the gation, we have
a duty, we see a crime committee. We detained somebody.
Our policies talk about just because someone offers resistance, that
doesn't mean we get to just put our hands up
(13:09):
and say, okay you resistance, so you can go now, No,
you take that person into custody.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yeah, if if our mayor had his way, they would
have to call in social workers at that point to
try to try to talk them out of whatever it
was that they're doing. This is I feel like this
conversation would be very, very different had we had a
different president elected. That's just my own thoughts on this,
(13:34):
and I just feel like, overalls, the temperature of these
types of things are starting to kind of get back
to where it should be, which is the officers are
allowed to police. God forbid, we have police officers that
are allowed to police. It seems like it's moving that direction.
Am I off on that or are you kind of
(13:55):
seeing that as well?
Speaker 3 (13:57):
Brian?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
So we're defin the pendulum was definitely swung back. You know,
we police based on community expectations. I truly believe our communities,
our inner city communities, our challenge communities always wanted the police.
We saw in the Short North around twenty twenty Short North,
you know there where there was this kind of push
that we don't want the police in there anymore. Well,
(14:19):
what happened when the police pulled back the Short and
oath almost fell the crime and crime was so high.
What do we do? We bring the police back to
the Short North and we were able to lower that there.
If you look at our crime statistics that are going down,
it's not because we're holding hands and saying kumbaya. It's
because police are allowed to be the police. We're getting
back to that. And our chief Chief Bryant does a
(14:41):
great job. Chaff Fuldwin does a great job of telling
their officers go out there, do your job. If you
do your job right, we'll support you. If you fall short,
we'll hold you accountable. And as the FOP President, I
commit to that and I one hundred percent stand by
them and that philosophy.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
FOB President Lodge nine, Brian Steele, thank you very much
for jumping on with us today and I hope you're
able to have a good weekend, And just thanks for
lending your expertise on this and your thoughts because I
know it is occupied a lion's share of your time
over these.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Last several months.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Man, thank you guys.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
Yeah, thanks, appreciate you
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