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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mark Blazer.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, Chuck Douglas is doing mornings this week, so he's
on for Mike Elliott Columbus's morning news, so you'll be
here in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Him tomorrow as well.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And so as a result, I've had the revolving door
of guests this week, and today brings us Eric Delbert,
who is host of On Target, owner of LPED Firearms
and Range on Bethel Road, and welcome in man, good
to see you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's been a little bit great to be here. Glad
to have the invite.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And you know, you guys didn't know this about Eric,
but he also in addition to law enforcement being an owner,
he is a he's you know, gun extraordinair.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
He knows all that. He's also a plumber. I don't
know if you guys knew.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That, but I mean, you're telling me on the way
out the door today, you're like coming to the radio station.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
He tells me, you guys, he comes in and he goes.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So I'm on my way out of course, and someone's like,
who the toilet's backed up or whatever. So it's just
like when you're an owner of a business, guess who
gets to do that two things. You can either do
it yourself or you can pay a gazillion gajillion billion
dollars and have somebody come out to try.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
To fix the joys of ownership. Those are the behind
the scenes you don't typically see. Now, in this case,
I will have to say, it did get passed off
to my son, so.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You know, kind of passing the torch, if you will.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Passing the torch or passing the plunge, yeah, a plunge.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And when something like that happened, because you said it
was in both bathrooms, I go, well, wait a minute,
so that was kind of a deeper issue, if you
will not Yeah, clearly someone went in there and had
too much talk about order plumbing.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It happens on occasion and yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well you know, so how is the shop?
Everything good? Everything's great, it's good. How's business?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, like the rest of the industry, it's a
little bit down. Some of that's contributed to the summertime,
because summertime is always slower in the gun industry.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Some of it, though, is kind of a Trump slump
two point zero, which is what we saw the first
time President Trump was in office. People aren't as concerned
about having their gun rights taken away, and so they
back off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Isn't that funny how that works? Because you're going, well,
it's great, we got Trump in office. Certainly, he is
a he's a Second Amendment guy, he's you know, all
of those things, checks all those boxes. But as a result,
you got people going, okay, not as worried. Maybe people
who are on the fence are thinking about getting something
or whatever, are like, well, I think I'm good to go.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
We got a we got a law and.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Order president that's there. And you know, I'll never forget
during you know, the and I know you'll never forget either.
But during the pandemic and the way things were going
with that, You're like, man, a lot of people clearly
there was a lot, so many bad things happened during
the pandemic with regard to businesses a special especially smaller
businesses and so on.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But you guys, was like it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
It was great on crazy, yeah, crazy, And the good
the one good thing about us being slow right now,
it kind of helps reset the market for the consumer.
So you start to see prices come down a little
bit on ammunition and on some of the accessories. So
it's not necessarily a good thing for us or the retailer,
but for the consumer side of things, it's not bad.
It kind of helps reset it in. The one saving
(03:19):
grace for us is we still live in Columbus and
with as long as we have local administration going and
crime locally and stuff, we stay busy.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Which unfortunately, the crime continues to be crazy as far
as that goes, and so they'll always be the people
who are looking to make sure that they are armed
and you know, ready for some of this craziness that happens.
You know, with you being law enforcement too, Eric, you know,
I haven't been able. You did jump on and we
(03:49):
talked to one time. This was you know, obviously a
little bit ago. But when you see like just how
brazen and we talk about this all the time, but
is it me or are the criminals even and how
could they get more brazen? But yet it seems like
they are with regard to the you know, a couple
of officers who you know, the one guy who took off,
run and turn around and.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Just started shooting.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And as a result, you know, we had one guy
who we know is out of Yeah, you know, is
out of the hospital or what have you. But and
then that guy they finally run him down, but the
guy's dressing like a woman trying to evade police. When
you watch all of that stuff play out, I mean,
it's got it's gotta.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Break your heart.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But man, you guys are one incident away from this
kind of thing all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And the problem, Mark is there's no consequences by and large.
Now I'm just saying kind of in globally here, but
you look at that case with the Mifflin officers, right,
that guy should have been in prison. He was caught
last year twenty twenty four with making his own machine gun.
That's that's ten years in prison, automation dollar fine that
he got probation for. He was a felon caught with
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the gun that he got probation for. The judicial system
needs to step up. The prosecutors locally need to push it,
and we all need to be vocal about it.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You look at it, and I haven't looked at the details,
but just this past weekend that case was strangulation.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I don't know if you picked up on that.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
It was actually close to the store a gentleman who
had two prior dvs domestic violence domestic violence obviously was
not serving time in prison. One of those dvs, he
was accused of strangling his girlfriend. And look what happened
this last weekend. He strangled her again and killed her.
You know, where was the judicial system in that case. Now,
(05:34):
again I don't know the facts about that, but wow,
this just happened last year and he's out, So it
would not surprise me if it was another one of
those instances.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Every time there is some sort of an instance that
happens and there are guns involved, and this whatever is
like you know what Chuck was on with me. I
don't remember exactly what it was, so it would had
to have been last week or the week before.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But there was an incident, and.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
All of a sudden, you got all of the local
like the Democrat, talking about.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
We need more gun we need more no, oh no no.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We continue to talk about this, and case in point,
the Mifflin incident, where that guy should have already been
he should not have been on the street, and we
do not need more gun laws.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We need the ones enforced that are on the books.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
We talk about this constantly, Yet local administration, they do
what they do, they continue to not take care of
these issues and just try to continue to blame it
on the law abiding citizens because we all know the
bad guys don't follow the laws anyway, right.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And if you or I were caught with the manufacturing
of a machine gun that wasn't registered, we would be
serving time. And yet this guy was let out with
community probation. I mean that should shock everyone. That should
get all of us standing up and saying, wait a second,
we need to review how we got there on this.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That is just outrageous. And in this case, one of
our law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Fellow brothers and sisters were seriously injured luckily lucky to
be alive, honestly because of that judge's decision.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's something unfortunately we're witnessing all too much. And it's
and it's not just you know, unique to this area.
It happens in all the different jurisdictions all over the
United States, unfortunately, but it's the Blue Cities, it seems like,
where that stuff continues to plague everybody there and bad
(07:20):
for the community if you will, but really good if
you're for.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The most part a gun store owner.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I mean, people go you know what I'm gonna I'll
find I'll make sure that I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right, It's something silly like.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That, and you're it's your point. It's not just firearms.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I mean, we'll talk about it later, but it's some
of those less than lethal things too.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's protecting.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I mean, it's really it's evolved more than just selling
of a gun. It's selling of a burn up product
or may I mean, it's learning how to protect yourself
and your family with whatever tool you choose to use.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, Right, So we talked earlier today and this was
off air obviously this morning when when we chatted. But
the big beautiful bill which has been in the news,
as we know, front and center for weeks and weeks
and weeks, and finally it gets to the President's desk
and everything, you know, finally it went the way that
(08:12):
the President was trying to get this to go. There
are some things in it that people some people, depending
on where you come down, you're like, I'm not, I'm
not for this part of it, but the other part
you're for. And that's what happens with these bills when
they put them all together. That part that they call pork.
If you will that gets kind of shoved in there,
and because you're not voting, you know, Congress is not
(08:33):
voting on each individual thing. It's kind of one big thing.
But you brought up something that I didn't even realize.
And if you're a gun enthusiast, and the word enthusiast
maybe kind of keys in that you did know about this.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
If you're listening and you go, yes, I know exactly
what you're getting ready to say.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Or maybe you're somebody who is a gun enthusiast and
you didn't know about this, and it's really interesting what
you brought up to. But I didn't know about this.
Tell me about what's in the big beautiful bill that passed.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Were really excited.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
It wasn't one hundred percent of what we are hoping for,
but it's certainly a stepping stone. And what we're talking
about is the NFA branch. And if anyone who has
been in and around firearms, if you look to buy
a suppressor, a short barreled rifle, or a number of
things that are in the NFA branch, these are all
items that the government at one point has deemed that
(09:25):
you need to go and provide a photo. You need
to provide fingerprints and pay two hundred dollars tax stamp
in order to own these. So this is not something
you can go into lapd and walk out the door
that day with it. There's a process, there's time, you
had to submit paperwork. But all along there was two
hundred dollars that you had to pay to the federal government,
to the NFA branch.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was a tax stamp.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It was a physical stamp and that would allow you
to possess that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So wait, let me stop you there. So when you collect, well,
when the two hundred dollars is charged, is that something
the store collects from them.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's something that they you send directly to the NFA
branch right right, and so and to kind of go
back in, you know, kind of at a very high
level the whole NFA. Part of the reason it was
put into place was to monitor the tax stamp. So
the way they can justify the registration of registration of
(10:20):
all these is because it was done as a means
to monitoring who pay taxes or not. Well, in the
big beautiful Bill, they have a line in there now
that that two hundred dollars tax stamp for everything but
machine guns that's a whole different ballgame for suppressors, short
barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It got reduced to.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Zero, So no two hundred dollars now tax stamp. They
don't You won't have to pay that now, and it
starts in January.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It starts in January now.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
An interesting note is that it's already now. There's several
lawsuits to the NFA branch by the NRA and some
of the other entities out there, and they're saying that, hey,
when this law was made years and years ago, it's
explicitly says you cannot have a database of firearms owners
or owners of suppressors, and that the only reason the
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NFA was put into place was to monitor the tax stamp.
And no, look, there's no tax now, so therefore these
things should get kicked back to a store so you
could go to a store and simply purchase them with
the background check obviously still doing a background check. The
only thing that that's a little bit of a we're
not sure how it's going to turn out, is that
they failed to say that they've done away with the
(11:34):
two hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
They reduced the tax to zero.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So on the books, it's still showing that they have
a tax, so that taxes.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Zero, which then means they're still able to keep a database.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
That that's the thinking. So it's all going to shake
out in court.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But it's certainly interesting and it's certainly good for firearms
enthusiasts who've been, you know, considering a suppressor. I mean,
two hundred dollars is you know, twenty five percent of
the cost of the suppressor, and to do a way
with that great.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
By the way, suppressor is silencer in case you're going suppressor, suppressor,
and you know that's what you use because that's what
it's called. That's the technical name for it, and that's
what you're used to calling it because you sell them,
and so you're like, it's a suppressor. But then because
we're on the phone this morning, I go silencer and
you go yes, but you're like, well, that's the slang
(12:22):
term for.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, actually the street name, that's the technical atf term
is silencer. But it kind of takes you know that
once you use one of these, you can't hear it.
It's really more of a muffler. I mean, if you
think of a muffler on my vehicle. It just muffles
this sound to a point that's you know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So if if I were to buy a suppressor and
for say my.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
My glock, the what is that the thirty s that
I bought from you?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And if so I buy one for that, and it's
going to go pure, right, it's just going to be
not bad on.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
A forty five.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It's not bad. I mean, it is, but it's not right.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It's not Hollywood quiet, right. But it allows you to
not use hearing protection. So if you're shooting outside or
you have a farm that type of thing.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We're indoor range. You don't have to use hearing protection then.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So that's an advantage of having it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Plus it's kind of a novelty, right, I mean, it's
just kind of a fun thing because I remember when
I was over and I just had my last go
around when I emptied out a credit card at your
place and was buying some toys. I remember seeing those
in the and I go, you sell these, like I
didn't even realize. So there are so many people possibly
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listening right now, who go, I didn't even realize those
are legal. They are, but you do have to go
through the process of so that way it's being cleared
by the government or what. It's not the forty four.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's not the forty four to seventy three. It's actually
through the NFA brings. The actual background check itself is
no different than what we do at this store. Right,
The government just collects your fingerprints and your photo ID.
Now I will say I'm going to say one positive
thing mark and you're probably gonna be surprised. One positive
thing about the Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh boy, this is the only thing. But go ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I don't even know if I can give them credit.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But it happened under the Biden administration prior to probably
last year about this time. It would take almost a
year for that paperwork to come back. So people would
come into our store, purchase the suppressor, we'd send the
paperwork away, and a year later they would get the
paperwork back.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Twelve months later. They had to wait that long, right,
is it because the list was so huge?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think it was because they just didn't have enough
employees doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Or they slow rolled it on PERP or.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
They slow rolled it. But it's been like that for years. Well,
something happened last year. Not sure quite what it is,
but we get the paperwork back now within forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And is it always forty eight or sometimes there was something.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
It can vary a little bit, but it's not uncommon
for us for a customer to come in on a
Tuesday and by Friday taking it home.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So if they were to get this between now and January,
they still have to come up with the two hundred
dollars tax stamp, right, is that how you say call it?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, So they still have to do that and then
they'll wait, you know, forty eight hours, a couple of days,
and then off they go.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, we're starting to see because you can, as you
can imagine, between now in the first of the year,
these manufacturers of suppressors are saying, geez, you know, our
business might take a dive because everyone's waiting. So we're
starting to see some of them say, you know what,
if you buy a suppressor now, we are going to
pay your tax stamp for you, okay, in order to
keep everything rolling.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Ooh nice.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So they're different brands that are doing that or is
that kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Starting to do you specifically have and you don't have
to mention the brands, but do you have them actually
offering that incentive right now, like if someone walked into
LAPD tonight or right you know, during the show today.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
There's some I don't know, if top of my head
which ones are doing it, but it's it has become
common now to see that happen.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's really cool and good on them to do something
like that because that makes total sense. So I'm glad
to hear that they're being reasonable about that. And I
wondered if they were going to say we'll take care
of it, or they discount theirs in order to make
up for.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That kind of a thing or whatever. So very cool.
Mark Blazer.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Hey, Chuck Douglas is doing mornings this week, so he's
on for Mike Elliott Columbus's morning news, so you'll be
here in.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Him tomorrow as well.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
And so as a result, I've had the revolving door
of guests this week, and today brings us Eric Delbert,
who is host of On Target, owner of LPED Firearms
and Range on Bethel Road, and welcome in man, good
to see you.
Speaker 3 (00:25):
It's been a little bit great to be here. Glad
to have the invite.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Yeah, thank you very much for coming in.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
And you know, you guys didn't know this about Eric,
but he also in addition to law enforcement being an owner,
he is a he's you know, gun extraordinair.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
He knows all that. He's also a plumber. I don't
know if you guys knew.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
That, but I mean, you're telling me on the way
out the door today, you're like coming to the radio station.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
He tells me, you guys, he comes in and he goes.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
So I'm on my way out of course, and someone's like,
who the toilet's backed up or whatever. So it's just
like when you're an owner of a business, guess who
gets to do that two things. You can either do
it yourself or you can pay a gazillion gajillion billion
dollars and have somebody come out to try.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
To fix the joys of ownership. Those are the behind
the scenes you don't typically see. Now, in this case,
I will have to say, it did get passed off
to my son, so.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
You know, kind of passing the torch, if you will.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Passing the torch or passing the plunge, yeah, a plunge.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And when something like that happened, because you said it
was in both bathrooms, I go, well, wait a minute,
so that was kind of a deeper issue, if you
will not Yeah, clearly someone went in there and had
too much talk about order plumbing.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
It happens on occasion and yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well you know, so how is the shop?
Everything good? Everything's great, it's good. How's business?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
You know, like the rest of the industry, it's a
little bit down. Some of that's contributed to the summertime,
because summertime is always slower in the gun industry.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
Oh okay.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Some of it, though, is kind of a Trump slump
two point zero, which is what we saw the first
time President Trump was in office. People aren't as concerned
about having their gun rights taken away, and so they
back off a little bit.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Isn't that funny how that works? Because you're going, well,
it's great, we got Trump in office. Certainly, he is
a he's a Second Amendment guy, he's you know, all
of those things, checks all those boxes. But as a result,
you got people going, okay, not as worried. Maybe people
who are on the fence are thinking about getting something
or whatever, are like, well, I think I'm good to go.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
We got a we got a law and.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Order president that's there. And you know, I'll never forget
during you know, the and I know you'll never forget either.
But during the pandemic and the way things were going
with that, You're like, man, a lot of people clearly
there was a lot, so many bad things happened during
the pandemic with regard to businesses a special especially smaller
businesses and so on.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
But you guys, was like it was crazy.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
It was great on crazy, yeah, crazy, And the good
the one good thing about us being slow right now,
it kind of helps reset the market for the consumer.
So you start to see prices come down a little
bit on ammunition and on some of the accessories. So
it's not necessarily a good thing for us or the retailer,
but for the consumer side of things, it's not bad.
It kind of helps reset it in. The one saving
(03:19):
grace for us is we still live in Columbus and
with as long as we have local administration going and
crime locally and stuff, we stay busy.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Which unfortunately, the crime continues to be crazy as far
as that goes, and so they'll always be the people
who are looking to make sure that they are armed
and you know, ready for some of this craziness that happens.
You know, with you being law enforcement too, Eric, you know,
I haven't been able. You did jump on and we
(03:49):
talked to one time. This was you know, obviously a
little bit ago. But when you see like just how
brazen and we talk about this all the time, but
is it me or are the criminals even and how
could they get more brazen? But yet it seems like
they are with regard to the you know, a couple
of officers who you know, the one guy who took off,
run and turn around and.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Just started shooting.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
And as a result, you know, we had one guy
who we know is out of Yeah, you know, is
out of the hospital or what have you. But and
then that guy they finally run him down, but the
guy's dressing like a woman trying to evade police. When
you watch all of that stuff play out, I mean,
it's got it's gotta.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Break your heart.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
But man, you guys are one incident away from this
kind of thing all the time.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
And the problem, Mark is there's no consequences by and large.
Now I'm just saying kind of in globally here, but
you look at that case with the Mifflin officers, right,
that guy should have been in prison. He was caught
last year twenty twenty four with making his own machine gun.
That's that's ten years in prison, automation dollar fine that
he got probation for. He was a felon caught with
(04:55):
the gun that he got probation for. The judicial system
needs to step up. The prosecutors locally need to push it,
and we all need to be vocal about it.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
I mean, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
You look at it, and I haven't looked at the details,
but just this past weekend that case was strangulation.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
I don't know if you picked up on that.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
It was actually close to the store a gentleman who
had two prior dvs domestic violence domestic violence obviously was
not serving time in prison. One of those dvs, he
was accused of strangling his girlfriend. And look what happened
this last weekend. He strangled her again and killed her.
You know, where was the judicial system in that case. Now,
(05:34):
again I don't know the facts about that, but wow,
this just happened last year and he's out, So it
would not surprise me if it was another one of
those instances.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Every time there is some sort of an instance that
happens and there are guns involved, and this whatever is
like you know what Chuck was on with me. I
don't remember exactly what it was, so it would had
to have been last week or the week before.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
But there was an incident, and.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
All of a sudden, you got all of the local
like the Democrat, talking about.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
We need more gun we need more no, oh no no.
Speaker 2 (06:01):
We continue to talk about this, and case in point,
the Mifflin incident, where that guy should have already been
he should not have been on the street, and we
do not need more gun laws.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
We need the ones enforced that are on the books.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
We talk about this constantly, Yet local administration, they do
what they do, they continue to not take care of
these issues and just try to continue to blame it
on the law abiding citizens because we all know the
bad guys don't follow the laws anyway, right.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
And if you or I were caught with the manufacturing
of a machine gun that wasn't registered, we would be
serving time. And yet this guy was let out with
community probation. I mean that should shock everyone. That should
get all of us standing up and saying, wait a second,
we need to review how we got there on this.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
That is just outrageous. And in this case, one of
our law enforcement.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Fellow brothers and sisters were seriously injured luckily lucky to
be alive, honestly because of that judge's decision.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
It's something unfortunately we're witnessing all too much. And it's
and it's not just you know, unique to this area.
It happens in all the different jurisdictions all over the
United States, unfortunately, but it's the Blue Cities, it seems like,
where that stuff continues to plague everybody there and bad
(07:20):
for the community if you will, but really good if
you're for.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The most part a gun store owner.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
I mean, people go you know what I'm gonna I'll
find I'll make sure that I'm ready.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Right, It's something silly like.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
That, and you're it's your point. It's not just firearms.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I mean, we'll talk about it later, but it's some
of those less than lethal things too.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
It's protecting.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
I mean, it's really it's evolved more than just selling
of a gun. It's selling of a burn up product
or may I mean, it's learning how to protect yourself
and your family with whatever tool you choose to use.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Right, Right, So we talked earlier today and this was
off air obviously this morning when when we chatted. But
the big beautiful bill which has been in the news,
as we know, front and center for weeks and weeks
and weeks, and finally it gets to the President's desk
and everything, you know, finally it went the way that
(08:12):
the President was trying to get this to go. There
are some things in it that people some people, depending
on where you come down, you're like, I'm not, I'm
not for this part of it, but the other part
you're for. And that's what happens with these bills when
they put them all together. That part that they call pork.
If you will that gets kind of shoved in there,
and because you're not voting, you know, Congress is not
(08:33):
voting on each individual thing. It's kind of one big thing.
But you brought up something that I didn't even realize.
And if you're a gun enthusiast, and the word enthusiast
maybe kind of keys in that you did know about this.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
If you're listening and you go, yes, I know exactly
what you're getting ready to say.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Or maybe you're somebody who is a gun enthusiast and
you didn't know about this, and it's really interesting what
you brought up to. But I didn't know about this.
Tell me about what's in the big beautiful bill that passed.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Were really excited.
Speaker 4 (09:05):
It wasn't one hundred percent of what we are hoping for,
but it's certainly a stepping stone. And what we're talking
about is the NFA branch. And if anyone who has
been in and around firearms, if you look to buy
a suppressor, a short barreled rifle, or a number of
things that are in the NFA branch, these are all
items that the government at one point has deemed that
(09:25):
you need to go and provide a photo. You need
to provide fingerprints and pay two hundred dollars tax stamp
in order to own these. So this is not something
you can go into lapd and walk out the door
that day with it. There's a process, there's time, you
had to submit paperwork. But all along there was two
hundred dollars that you had to pay to the federal government,
to the NFA branch.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
It was a tax stamp.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It was a physical stamp and that would allow you
to possess that.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
So wait, let me stop you there. So when you collect, well,
when the two hundred dollars is charged, is that something
the store collects from them.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
It's something that they you send directly to the NFA
branch right right, and so and to kind of go
back in, you know, kind of at a very high
level the whole NFA. Part of the reason it was
put into place was to monitor the tax stamp. So
the way they can justify the registration of registration of
(10:20):
all these is because it was done as a means
to monitoring who pay taxes or not. Well, in the
big beautiful Bill, they have a line in there now
that that two hundred dollars tax stamp for everything but
machine guns that's a whole different ballgame for suppressors, short
barrel rifles, short barrel shotguns.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It got reduced to.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Zero, So no two hundred dollars now tax stamp. They
don't You won't have to pay that now, and it
starts in January.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
It starts in January now.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
An interesting note is that it's already now. There's several
lawsuits to the NFA branch by the NRA and some
of the other entities out there, and they're saying that, hey,
when this law was made years and years ago, it's
explicitly says you cannot have a database of firearms owners
or owners of suppressors, and that the only reason the
(11:12):
NFA was put into place was to monitor the tax stamp.
And no, look, there's no tax now, so therefore these
things should get kicked back to a store so you
could go to a store and simply purchase them with
the background check obviously still doing a background check. The
only thing that that's a little bit of a we're
not sure how it's going to turn out, is that
they failed to say that they've done away with the
(11:34):
two hundred dollars tax stamp.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
They reduced the tax to zero.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So on the books, it's still showing that they have
a tax, so that taxes.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Zero, which then means they're still able to keep a database.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
That that's the thinking. So it's all going to shake
out in court.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
But it's certainly interesting and it's certainly good for firearms
enthusiasts who've been, you know, considering a suppressor. I mean,
two hundred dollars is you know, twenty five percent of
the cost of the suppressor, and to do a way
with that great.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
By the way, suppressor is silencer in case you're going suppressor, suppressor,
and you know that's what you use because that's what
it's called. That's the technical name for it, and that's
what you're used to calling it because you sell them,
and so you're like, it's a suppressor. But then because
we're on the phone this morning, I go silencer and
you go yes, but you're like, well, that's the slang
(12:22):
term for.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It or whatever.
Speaker 4 (12:24):
Well, actually the street name, that's the technical atf term
is silencer. But it kind of takes you know that
once you use one of these, you can't hear it.
It's really more of a muffler. I mean, if you
think of a muffler on my vehicle. It just muffles
this sound to a point that's you know.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
So if if I were to buy a suppressor and
for say my.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
My glock, the what is that the thirty s that
I bought from you?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
And if so I buy one for that, and it's
going to go pure, right, it's just going to be
not bad on.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
A forty five.
Speaker 3 (12:59):
It's not bad. I mean, it is, but it's not right.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
It's not Hollywood quiet, right. But it allows you to
not use hearing protection. So if you're shooting outside or
you have a farm that type of thing.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
We're indoor range. You don't have to use hearing protection then.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
So that's an advantage of having it.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Plus it's kind of a novelty, right, I mean, it's
just kind of a fun thing because I remember when
I was over and I just had my last go
around when I emptied out a credit card at your
place and was buying some toys. I remember seeing those
in the and I go, you sell these, like I
didn't even realize. So there are so many people possibly
(13:35):
listening right now, who go, I didn't even realize those
are legal. They are, but you do have to go
through the process of so that way it's being cleared
by the government or what. It's not the forty four.
Speaker 4 (13:48):
It's not the forty four to seventy three. It's actually
through the NFA brings. The actual background check itself is
no different than what we do at this store. Right,
The government just collects your fingerprints and your photo ID.
Now I will say I'm going to say one positive
thing mark and you're probably gonna be surprised. One positive
thing about the Biden administration.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Oh boy, this is the only thing. But go ahead.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
And I don't even know if I can give them credit.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
But it happened under the Biden administration prior to probably
last year about this time. It would take almost a
year for that paperwork to come back. So people would
come into our store, purchase the suppressor, we'd send the
paperwork away, and a year later they would get the
paperwork back.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Twelve months later. They had to wait that long, right,
is it because the list was so huge?
Speaker 4 (14:33):
I think it was because they just didn't have enough
employees doing it.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Or they slow rolled it on PERP or.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
They slow rolled it. But it's been like that for years. Well,
something happened last year. Not sure quite what it is,
but we get the paperwork back now within forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
And is it always forty eight or sometimes there was something.
Speaker 4 (14:53):
It can vary a little bit, but it's not uncommon
for us for a customer to come in on a
Tuesday and by Friday taking it home.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
So if they were to get this between now and January,
they still have to come up with the two hundred
dollars tax stamp, right, is that how you say call it?
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, So they still have to do that and then
they'll wait, you know, forty eight hours, a couple of days,
and then off they go.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Right.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
Well, we're starting to see because you can, as you
can imagine, between now in the first of the year,
these manufacturers of suppressors are saying, geez, you know, our
business might take a dive because everyone's waiting. So we're
starting to see some of them say, you know what,
if you buy a suppressor now, we are going to
pay your tax stamp for you, okay, in order to
keep everything rolling.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Ooh nice.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So they're different brands that are doing that or is
that kind of.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Starting to do you specifically have and you don't have
to mention the brands, but do you have them actually
offering that incentive right now, like if someone walked into
LAPD tonight or right you know, during the show today.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Yeah, we do.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
There's some I don't know, if top of my head
which ones are doing it, but it's it has become
common now to see that happen.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's really cool and good on them to do something
like that because that makes total sense. So I'm glad
to hear that they're being reasonable about that. And I
wondered if they were going to say we'll take care
of it, or they discount theirs in order to make
up for.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
That kind of a thing or whatever. So very cool.
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