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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Hamas situation with Israel. A lot of good, a
lot of positive, a lot of wonderful news coming out
of that part of the world. However, there's some strange
stuff going on to including one of the the killed
hostages returned to Israel that apparently was not an Israeli hostage.
And I don't know that yet that they figured out
(00:22):
who that person is or who that body was. At
some point. Plus, Hamas is back on the streets in Gaza.
It sounds to me like they're acting as a police force.
I'm not sure, and when I'm not sure, I go
to the experts. Jordana Miller from ABC News joining us
right now. Jordana, good afternoon, Thanks for joining us on
sixth n WTVN.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good to be with you. Hamas is trying to and
actually we should say successfully, trying to reassert its control
over the part of Gaza that has been left or
or evacuated we should say, or withdrawn by the Israeli army. Remember,
(01:05):
the Israelis are sitting on about forty to fifty percent
of Gaza's territory, but they left Gaza City, parts of
northern Gaza, some parts of central Gaza, and in those areas,
we see Hamas's police force back on the streets and
(01:25):
in some cases executing and killing people they're calling collaborators.
Especially in the north. There's one local family clan, the
Dharmush clan, that has opposed Hamas for a long time
and was reportedly working with the Israelis, and they've been
(01:50):
they've been apparently dozens of members of this family have
been killed in the last forty eight hours. And I
think AMAS is trying to obviously send a signal that
it's back, it's back in power, and we've heard conflicting,
conflicting statements from its leaders that it will not disarm, right,
(02:14):
And I think that's why we're seeing President Trump now
for two days in a row talk about Hamas and
if they don't keep the deal, and part of that
deal is disarming, that he will allow the Israelis to
go back and continue fighting.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We're not there yet, you know. The Israeli Prime Minister
has said he wants to give this a peaceful way
of disarming Hamas a chance, And frankly, the Israelis right
now are focused on getting all the bodies of the
hostages back and there Hamas is not following through with
what they were supposed to. They apparently were reportedly indicate
(02:55):
told mediators they had at least half of the bodies
of the twenty eight hostages, and yet they've only turned
over seven, and the first day only four, and now
we're hearing that they have turned over another two bodies.
Those will have to be positively identified. As you said, yesterday,
(03:17):
four bodies came to Israel, but overnight one of them
had no match with any Israeli hostage. And it turns
out the initial findings or that this was the body
of Palestinian from the West Bank that I guess was
living in Gaza, So that body will be likely returned.
(03:42):
But the point is Hamas is really they've not kept
up their part of the deal so far when it
comes to the very basic commitment they made to return
the bodies of the hostages. So I think this is
going to be the focus for the next week at least,
as other international search and rescue teams get on the
(04:05):
ground in Gaza to help look for some of them,
because these really knew that Hamas couldn't look at them all.
But what they're really upset about they feel Hamas is
playing with them that Hamas is, you know, returning them
in a trickle and making all these excuses for even
the ten or twelve they said they knew they could locate.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
When we hear that Halas, the Hamas is a faction
within the Palestinian state, is there the possibility here that
we have a faction within that faction that is refusing,
you know, never say die, we're coming back. Don't be happy,
don't don't think you're free. Where is it an awe
(04:48):
of Hamas thing? Or is there perhaps a separation of
leadership and direction within Hamas as an organization.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So, first of all, just to clarify, Hamas as a
Palestinian militant group is not part of the Palestinian authority
which is running the West Bank, which signed the Oslo accords.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, Hamas kicked the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza
almost twenty years ago in a very bloody coup. Those
two factions, those two parts of the Palestinian political body
or are are at odds with each with each other.
They they they are enemies, right and they they haven't
(05:40):
been able to reunite. You know, if I think, if
I'm understanding your question, there is. There isn't really a
moderate wing inside Hamas.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I just know with this release state mentality that's going on.
When when we have agreement between the handed between Israel,
between Hamas and and suddenly you know, I'm sitting here
contemplating the possibility of Israel working with the Palestinian authority.
Now it just it seems ludicrous, But crazier things have happened.
(06:14):
It almost seems like there's a faction within this group
that agreed to a ceasefire, that agreed to turn these
hostages over.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
No, they're not the police. The police are. I mean
it's Hamas is running the streets again in the Gaza
strip where it can right only because the Israeli armies
there can't try to assert its control over all of Gaza,
and the police force that's there is supposed to be
replaced by an international security force. And that police force,
(06:46):
which is part of Hamas, has to be disarmed. Right
The Israelis are not going to work with, nor is
the United States going to work with this police force
that we see on the streets right now. You know,
it be replaced. That's the idea in President Trump's peace plan.
The question is how quick can the international Security force
(07:08):
get into the Gaza strip and actually start to take control?
And while Hamas will have no problem, has no problem
killing israelis there, maybe they will think twice when the
security forces are made up of Egyptians, Jordanians, a Maraudis,
and some Europeans. Right, that's the idea, and that it's
(07:30):
being overseen by American troops sitting in Israel. Right. So
there's still a long way to go. And I think
Hamas is kind of testing right now, testing Israel and
testing the US, and we'll see. You know, they're in
a weak position. But I think, you know, all of
(07:51):
this just really shows how serious President Trump and his
coalition have to be, the Digonal coalition here including as well,
how serious they have to be about implementing the next
phase of this deal.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
No, you definitely have your hands full keeping your eyes
on this situation, and I appreciate you giving us some
time to try to clarify a couple of things this afternoon.
Hopefully we'll get to do it again soon. Yes, ABC
News correspondent Jordana Miller joining us on the Legacy Retirement
Group dot com phone lines. You know, just when you
think something positive now there's something negative and I'm thinking, okay, now,
(08:28):
if if I don't know how much respect they will
have for a m multination policing force. If Hamas is
willing to kill essentially their own people in the streets
of Gaza, are they going to care about Egyptians or Jordanians?
And if not, then do we have you know, multiple
(08:49):
nations going in after them instead of just Israel. Let's
hope for the best, but my goodness,
The Hamas situation with Israel. A lot of good, a
lot of positive, a lot of wonderful news coming out
of that part of the world. However, there's some strange
stuff going on to including one of the the killed
hostages returned to Israel that apparently was not an Israeli hostage.
And I don't know that yet that they figured out
(00:22):
who that person is or who that body was. At
some point. Plus, Hamas is back on the streets in Gaza.
It sounds to me like they're acting as a police force.
I'm not sure, and when I'm not sure, I go
to the experts. Jordana Miller from ABC News joining us
right now. Jordana, good afternoon, Thanks for joining us on
sixth n WTVN.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Good to be with you. Hamas is trying to and
actually we should say successfully, trying to reassert its control
over the part of Gaza that has been left or
or evacuated we should say, or withdrawn by the Israeli army. Remember,
(01:05):
the Israelis are sitting on about forty to fifty percent
of Gaza's territory, but they left Gaza City, parts of
northern Gaza, some parts of central Gaza, and in those areas,
we see Hamas's police force back on the streets and
(01:25):
in some cases executing and killing people they're calling collaborators.
Especially in the north. There's one local family clan, the
Dharmush clan, that has opposed Hamas for a long time
and was reportedly working with the Israelis, and they've been
(01:50):
they've been apparently dozens of members of this family have
been killed in the last forty eight hours. And I
think AMAS is trying to obviously send a signal that
it's back, it's back in power, and we've heard conflicting,
conflicting statements from its leaders that it will not disarm, right,
(02:14):
And I think that's why we're seeing President Trump now
for two days in a row talk about Hamas and
if they don't keep the deal, and part of that
deal is disarming, that he will allow the Israelis to
go back and continue fighting.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
We're not there yet, you know. The Israeli Prime Minister
has said he wants to give this a peaceful way
of disarming Hamas a chance, And frankly, the Israelis right
now are focused on getting all the bodies of the
hostages back and there Hamas is not following through with
what they were supposed to. They apparently were reportedly indicate
(02:55):
told mediators they had at least half of the bodies
of the twenty eight hostages, and yet they've only turned
over seven, and the first day only four, and now
we're hearing that they have turned over another two bodies.
Those will have to be positively identified. As you said, yesterday,
(03:17):
four bodies came to Israel, but overnight one of them
had no match with any Israeli hostage. And it turns
out the initial findings or that this was the body
of Palestinian from the West Bank that I guess was
living in Gaza, So that body will be likely returned.
(03:42):
But the point is Hamas is really they've not kept
up their part of the deal so far when it
comes to the very basic commitment they made to return
the bodies of the hostages. So I think this is
going to be the focus for the next week at least,
as other international search and rescue teams get on the
(04:05):
ground in Gaza to help look for some of them,
because these really knew that Hamas couldn't look at them all.
But what they're really upset about they feel Hamas is
playing with them that Hamas is, you know, returning them
in a trickle and making all these excuses for even
the ten or twelve they said they knew they could locate.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
When we hear that Halas, the Hamas is a faction
within the Palestinian state, is there the possibility here that
we have a faction within that faction that is refusing,
you know, never say die, we're coming back. Don't be happy,
don't don't think you're free. Where is it an awe
(04:48):
of Hamas thing? Or is there perhaps a separation of
leadership and direction within Hamas as an organization.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
So, first of all, just to clarify, Hamas as a
Palestinian militant group is not part of the Palestinian authority
which is running the West Bank, which signed the Oslo accords.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
You know, Hamas kicked the Palestinian Authority out of Gaza
almost twenty years ago in a very bloody coup. Those
two factions, those two parts of the Palestinian political body
or are are at odds with each with each other.
They they they are enemies, right and they they haven't
(05:40):
been able to reunite. You know, if I think, if
I'm understanding your question, there is. There isn't really a
moderate wing inside Hamas.
Speaker 1 (05:53):
I just know with this release state mentality that's going on.
When when we have agreement between the handed between Israel,
between Hamas and and suddenly you know, I'm sitting here
contemplating the possibility of Israel working with the Palestinian authority.
Now it just it seems ludicrous, But crazier things have happened.
(06:14):
It almost seems like there's a faction within this group
that agreed to a ceasefire, that agreed to turn these
hostages over.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
No, they're not the police. The police are. I mean
it's Hamas is running the streets again in the Gaza
strip where it can right only because the Israeli armies
there can't try to assert its control over all of Gaza,
and the police force that's there is supposed to be
replaced by an international security force. And that police force,
(06:46):
which is part of Hamas, has to be disarmed. Right
The Israelis are not going to work with, nor is
the United States going to work with this police force
that we see on the streets right now. You know,
it be replaced. That's the idea in President Trump's peace plan.
The question is how quick can the international Security force
(07:08):
get into the Gaza strip and actually start to take control?
And while Hamas will have no problem, has no problem
killing israelis there, maybe they will think twice when the
security forces are made up of Egyptians, Jordanians, a Maraudis,
and some Europeans. Right, that's the idea, and that it's
(07:30):
being overseen by American troops sitting in Israel. Right. So
there's still a long way to go. And I think
Hamas is kind of testing right now, testing Israel and
testing the US, and we'll see. You know, they're in
a weak position. But I think, you know, all of
(07:51):
this just really shows how serious President Trump and his
coalition have to be, the Digonal coalition here including as well,
how serious they have to be about implementing the next
phase of this deal.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
No, you definitely have your hands full keeping your eyes
on this situation, and I appreciate you giving us some
time to try to clarify a couple of things this afternoon.
Hopefully we'll get to do it again soon. Yes, ABC
News correspondent Jordana Miller joining us on the Legacy Retirement
Group dot com phone lines. You know, just when you
think something positive now there's something negative and I'm thinking, okay, now,
(08:28):
if if I don't know how much respect they will
have for a m multination policing force. If Hamas is
willing to kill essentially their own people in the streets
of Gaza, are they going to care about Egyptians or Jordanians?
And if not, then do we have you know, multiple
(08:49):
nations going in after them instead of just Israel. Let's
hope for the best, but my goodness,
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