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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I'm a little worried when Senator John Fetterman is the
voice of reason.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm telling you, every time he's in his mouth, he's
made since for the last eight eight nine months. Now.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Congressman Jim Jordan is joining us now, and Congressman, welcome in.
I haven't talked to you in a while. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm doing fine. How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, we're doing good. I have this sound clip I
got to play, especially with you on here with Senator Fetterman,
and he's the voice of reason right now, which, oh boy,
I mean, there's a whole bunch of ways you can
slice that up, I guess, But here is he was
on CNN and you just keep going, at what point
(00:41):
is this guy really going to jump ship and just
become a Republican? And I don't know that the answer
is really ever, but this sounds like he's getting closer
and closer.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Listen to this, never going to change my party, But
clearly we've lost the argument. And now right now I
think it's entirely appropriate to really be honest and just
figure out why exactly have we effectively lost two out
of less three cycles and a lot of the things.
We've really kind of really lost our connection with American
(01:15):
voters in ways, and I think we can't just be well,
Trump is always wrong, or that we're going to set
the country on fire or whatever. That's just not true either,
of course. But you know, when I represent a state
like Pennsylvania, that keeps you honest and you always can't
forget that a lot of Americans happen to disagree with you,
(01:35):
that does not mean that they are fascists or now
they want to shred the constitution.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
When you hear some Democrats saying Trump is acting like
an autocrat.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, no, that's the thing. If you actually compare them
to an actual autocrat, that is not just that. Now
last night, for example, people were complain, they were protesting
about oh, that's the Hitler Hitler thing. You just don't
ever ever compare anyone to Hitler and those kinds of
extreme things. Now, look what happened to Charlie Kirk. I mean,
(02:07):
you know, the man was shot. Now we have to
turn the temperature down. It's like, we can't compare people
to these kinds of figures in history. And this is
not an autocrat. This is a product of a democratic election.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, John Fetterman, the Senator out of Pennsylvania, the voice
of reason right now, Congressman, and yeah, yeah, no, just
absolutely heartbreaking what we're witnessing now with Erica and the children. Clearly. Yeah,
I haven't spoken to you since this horrible thing happened,
but but your thoughts, I'm sure you knew Charlie and uh,
just what an awful, awful thing.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, it's it's it's terrible, and you know, our hearts
go out to his family, his wife, who her remarks
the other night, we're just we're just you know, just amazing. Uh.
You know, Charlie was an amazing guy, just just I
always say he come across, uh, the right kind of energy,
the right kind of message. He was. He focused on
(03:05):
logic and facts and reason. He didn't he was yelling
and screaming, and it was just a just a good
solid man. I shared this the other day on Sean
Henity Show. But our daughter had sent me a text
of the day that this tragic thing happened, and she said,
you know, this is obviously devastating to his family, but
devastating for our generation. She said, she's about the same
age as Charlie, and she said he was our he
(03:26):
was our Limball, uh, and that's I think an appropriate
way to think about it. He connected so well with
so many Americans, but particularly younger Americans, and they viewed
him as like many of us older folks. You know,
look how we we kind of grew up with Limbaugh
on the on the conservative side of things here, and
you know, I was I've said many times, my favorite
(03:46):
scripture verse is two Timothy four seven and Paul's the
old guy given advice to the young guy Timothy, and
he says, fight a good fight, finished the course, keep
the faith. And Charlie Kirk lived that verse right up
until the moment that that this terrible guy took took
took his life. He was fighting for the values and
principles that make our country special. He was fighting to
(04:07):
make sure the country knew about his faith and how
important our Christian faith and his walk with Jesus was.
I mean, he was, he was living that verse. And
it's it's uh, it's just tough for for everyone who
had the opportunity to know him and all the people
that he influenced. So you know, let's uh be a
big event to a big memorial service this weekend that
(04:28):
many people are going to be at out in Phoenix,
which I think is entirely appropriate, and we're doing some
things here that are you know, the Congress is going
to do some things here in DC to to honor
and recognize what a what an impact he had in
a positive way on so many Americans.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I wish that I could say that I was surprised
watching the reaction from the left, and you know, the
far left, the crazy left, which unfortunately now is growing.
It's it's bigger and bigger and bigger. And the people
complaining about I lost my job because of what I said,
and you know I'm allowed to have free speech, Well
(05:03):
Charlie was too, and he paid with his life. I mean,
those are the obvious comparisons here or whatever. But it's
really disheartening, Congressman, when we're seeing some of the left leadership,
if you will, just making excuses for people that are
saying these horrible, horrible things. We know that that evil
is out there in the way that they feel feel
(05:25):
and I mean, there's no, it's not like that surprising.
I mean I was saying to watch this right after
it happened and start seeing all these horrible things being said.
I wasn't. I wasn't like, I can't believe people think
that way and say that stuff. But it's the left
leadership that's basically almost like giving them a pass, the
people that say these horrible things instead of denouncing it.
(05:46):
And at first they started out going, this was awful
what happened, And then all the tributes we saw in
the NFL yesterday, and then we saw were it's global.
Chuck and I were just talking about it, you know,
they show in EUE and then I think in Japan
and it was like, this is a global thing. It's
crazy because everybody, unfortunately as saw him be get.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
The closest we've ever come to anything like this is
that grainy black and white footage you JFK in that limousine. Yeah,
this is the most up close and personal we have
ever seen in an assassination of someone with whom you disagree,
and people are taking it personally around the globe, and
if anything good is coming from it, that's one of
the things that's good.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, And I think the example to follow is Charlie's example. Look,
we want we want full protection of everyone's First Amendment liberties.
We want robust debate in this country. That's I mean,
we've spent the last three years fighting to stop the
censorship that was that was happening, particularly from the Biden administration,
and it's frankly now happening in Europe. So we want
to robust First Amendment. But the way to do it
(06:51):
is to fight for your ideals, your principles, those things
that I think again make our country to a special place.
That it is the way Charlie did. I mean, he
did it with this file on his face. He was
the happy warrior. He was using facts and reason and logic.
He wasn't screaming and yelling, shouting people down and calling
people names. That's just that's just not how you do it.
So and the other thing I think is happening to
(07:13):
to the point you were just making about this. This
what we've seen in the aftermath of this tragedy as
what it's thirty I think thirty some thousand people are
inquiring about forming chapters or turning point around the country.
It's some huge numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Hundred I think was the last number I saw of
high schools and colleges trying to form new chapters. Amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
If that's not that's not a testament to the kind
of individual he was and the impact that he had
and the short time that the Good Lord allowed him
to stay here with us. It's it's like, I don't
know what is I mean, it's just like it's it's
an amazing guy and you know we we I was
telling somewhere or too. I remember about ten years ago,
(07:54):
I was in the Chicago area. I was I was
meeting with a donor up there, a Republicans and supporter,
and we're raising money and the things you did you
do in this business, and this guy said, you know,
I'm starting to I think I'm gonna support this new group.
I'm maybe even gonna I think he's gonna be on
the board or something. It's just this amazing young man
named Charlie Kirk and it's called Turning Point. I never
heard of it, but that individual I was talking to,
(08:16):
he was right, amazing young man who made a huge difference.
And this organization took off because of Charlie's leadership. And it's, uh,
you know, it's this again. I think the way we
help the country come together, the way we hopefully helped
put an end to some of this craziness that's going
on is to just to follow Charlie's Charlie's.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Example, well, he certainly is going to be incredibly missed,
but never forgotten. There's no question yep about that. Congressman
Jim Jordan, thanks very much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We'll see you man,
I'm a little worried when Senator John Fetterman is the
voice of reason.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm telling you, every time he's in his mouth, he's
made since for the last eight eight nine months. Now.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Congressman Jim Jordan is joining us now, and Congressman, welcome in.
I haven't talked to you in a while. How you doing.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
I'm doing fine. How are you guys doing today?
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, we're doing good. I have this sound clip I
got to play, especially with you on here with Senator Fetterman,
and he's the voice of reason right now, which, oh boy,
I mean, there's a whole bunch of ways you can
slice that up, I guess, But here is he was
on CNN and you just keep going, at what point
(00:41):
is this guy really going to jump ship and just
become a Republican? And I don't know that the answer
is really ever, but this sounds like he's getting closer
and closer.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Listen to this, never going to change my party, But
clearly we've lost the argument. And now right now I
think it's entirely appropriate to really be honest and just
figure out why exactly have we effectively lost two out
of less three cycles and a lot of the things.
We've really kind of really lost our connection with American
(01:15):
voters in ways, and I think we can't just be well,
Trump is always wrong, or that we're going to set
the country on fire or whatever. That's just not true either,
of course. But you know, when I represent a state
like Pennsylvania, that keeps you honest and you always can't
forget that a lot of Americans happen to disagree with you,
(01:35):
that does not mean that they are fascists or now
they want to shred the constitution.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
When you hear some Democrats saying Trump is acting like
an autocrat.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
Yeah, no, that's the thing. If you actually compare them
to an actual autocrat, that is not just that. Now
last night, for example, people were complain, they were protesting
about oh, that's the Hitler Hitler thing. You just don't
ever ever compare anyone to Hitler and those kinds of
extreme things. Now, look what happened to Charlie Kirk. I mean,
(02:07):
you know, the man was shot. Now we have to
turn the temperature down. It's like, we can't compare people
to these kinds of figures in history. And this is
not an autocrat. This is a product of a democratic election.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Yeah, John Fetterman, the Senator out of Pennsylvania, the voice
of reason right now, Congressman, and yeah, yeah, no, just
absolutely heartbreaking what we're witnessing now with Erica and the children. Clearly. Yeah,
I haven't spoken to you since this horrible thing happened,
but but your thoughts, I'm sure you knew Charlie and uh,
just what an awful, awful thing.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
No, it's it's it's terrible, and you know, our hearts
go out to his family, his wife, who her remarks
the other night, we're just we're just you know, just amazing. Uh.
You know, Charlie was an amazing guy, just just I
always say he come across, uh, the right kind of energy,
the right kind of message. He was. He focused on
(03:05):
logic and facts and reason. He didn't he was yelling
and screaming, and it was just a just a good
solid man. I shared this the other day on Sean
Henity Show. But our daughter had sent me a text
of the day that this tragic thing happened, and she said,
you know, this is obviously devastating to his family, but
devastating for our generation. She said, she's about the same
age as Charlie, and she said he was our he
(03:26):
was our Limball, uh, and that's I think an appropriate
way to think about it. He connected so well with
so many Americans, but particularly younger Americans, and they viewed
him as like many of us older folks. You know,
look how we we kind of grew up with Limbaugh
on the on the conservative side of things here, and
you know, I was I've said many times, my favorite
(03:46):
scripture verse is two Timothy four seven and Paul's the
old guy given advice to the young guy Timothy, and
he says, fight a good fight, finished the course, keep
the faith. And Charlie Kirk lived that verse right up
until the moment that that this terrible guy took took
took his life. He was fighting for the values and
principles that make our country special. He was fighting to
(04:07):
make sure the country knew about his faith and how
important our Christian faith and his walk with Jesus was.
I mean, he was, he was living that verse. And
it's it's uh, it's just tough for for everyone who
had the opportunity to know him and all the people
that he influenced. So you know, let's uh be a
big event to a big memorial service this weekend that
(04:28):
many people are going to be at out in Phoenix,
which I think is entirely appropriate, and we're doing some
things here that are you know, the Congress is going
to do some things here in DC to to honor
and recognize what a what an impact he had in
a positive way on so many Americans.
Speaker 1 (04:42):
I wish that I could say that I was surprised
watching the reaction from the left, and you know, the
far left, the crazy left, which unfortunately now is growing.
It's it's bigger and bigger and bigger. And the people
complaining about I lost my job because of what I said,
and you know I'm allowed to have free speech, Well
(05:03):
Charlie was too, and he paid with his life. I mean,
those are the obvious comparisons here or whatever. But it's
really disheartening, Congressman, when we're seeing some of the left leadership,
if you will, just making excuses for people that are
saying these horrible, horrible things. We know that that evil
is out there in the way that they feel feel
(05:25):
and I mean, there's no, it's not like that surprising.
I mean I was saying to watch this right after
it happened and start seeing all these horrible things being said.
I wasn't. I wasn't like, I can't believe people think
that way and say that stuff. But it's the left
leadership that's basically almost like giving them a pass, the
people that say these horrible things instead of denouncing it.
(05:46):
And at first they started out going, this was awful
what happened, And then all the tributes we saw in
the NFL yesterday, and then we saw were it's global.
Chuck and I were just talking about it, you know,
they show in EUE and then I think in Japan
and it was like, this is a global thing. It's
crazy because everybody, unfortunately as saw him be get.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
The closest we've ever come to anything like this is
that grainy black and white footage you JFK in that limousine. Yeah,
this is the most up close and personal we have
ever seen in an assassination of someone with whom you disagree,
and people are taking it personally around the globe, and
if anything good is coming from it, that's one of
the things that's good.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
Yeah, And I think the example to follow is Charlie's example. Look,
we want we want full protection of everyone's First Amendment liberties.
We want robust debate in this country. That's I mean,
we've spent the last three years fighting to stop the
censorship that was that was happening, particularly from the Biden administration,
and it's frankly now happening in Europe. So we want
to robust First Amendment. But the way to do it
(06:51):
is to fight for your ideals, your principles, those things
that I think again make our country to a special place.
That it is the way Charlie did. I mean, he
did it with this file on his face. He was
the happy warrior. He was using facts and reason and logic.
He wasn't screaming and yelling, shouting people down and calling
people names. That's just that's just not how you do it.
So and the other thing I think is happening to
(07:13):
to the point you were just making about this. This
what we've seen in the aftermath of this tragedy as
what it's thirty I think thirty some thousand people are
inquiring about forming chapters or turning point around the country.
It's some huge numbers.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Hundred I think was the last number I saw of
high schools and colleges trying to form new chapters. Amazing.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
If that's not that's not a testament to the kind
of individual he was and the impact that he had
and the short time that the Good Lord allowed him
to stay here with us. It's it's like, I don't
know what is I mean, it's just like it's it's
an amazing guy and you know we we I was
telling somewhere or too. I remember about ten years ago,
(07:54):
I was in the Chicago area. I was I was
meeting with a donor up there, a Republicans and supporter,
and we're raising money and the things you did you
do in this business, and this guy said, you know,
I'm starting to I think I'm gonna support this new group.
I'm maybe even gonna I think he's gonna be on
the board or something. It's just this amazing young man
named Charlie Kirk and it's called Turning Point. I never
heard of it, but that individual I was talking to,
(08:16):
he was right, amazing young man who made a huge difference.
And this organization took off because of Charlie's leadership. And it's, uh,
you know, it's this again. I think the way we
help the country come together, the way we hopefully helped
put an end to some of this craziness that's going
on is to just to follow Charlie's Charlie's.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Example, well, he certainly is going to be incredibly missed,
but never forgotten. There's no question yep about that. Congressman
Jim Jordan, thanks very much for joining us today.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
We'll see you man,
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