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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Alex Stone joining us ABC News in Los Angeles raining.
You guys had rained lately, Alex.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
No, no, no. Over the weekend we were over one
hundred degrees.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good lord. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Rates in southern California.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, no, and rarely yeah, Friday, Saturday, even Sunday. In
many areas it was the records were broken and in
Summarias were like one o three, one oh four. But
today it's like seventy one and tomorrow is going to
be sixty eight. So we like thirty degrees cooler today,
which is nice.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, yeah, that is nice. Thirty degrees what a swing man?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Crazy? Yeah. In the week Memorial Day week, I'm going
to be I'm in Vegas and we're golfing a couple
of times, so I'm hoping to avoid, you know, triple digits.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It could be nine thousand degrees or it could be
like seventy five.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's a dry heat.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No, and it's hot. It's hot.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is brutal. The one, my one buddy who lives
there is plays all the time, is really great golfer actually,
but he's got these sleeves that he'll I've been there before.
When we're playing it it'll be we've played when it's
one oh three, right, I mean it's brutal, right, And
he puts the sleep they're white, but they're made of
(01:18):
some sort of they're tight that he put. But he'll
have a short sleeve shirt on. But then he pulls
these sleeves on and it and it protects his arms.
And he's obviously trying to avoid and he got his
skin cancer or whatever the way that it. Because I'm like,
oh my god, you have sleeves on, you know, And
he's like, well, when you live out and he golfs
constantly year round, so he's just trying to avoid. And
(01:40):
he's in his seventies, young seventies, so so far, so good.
It's working for him.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
What the football players wear, like the sleeves that go up, yeah,
up to like your bicep and then your shirt covers up.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's right, that's exactly what they are. Because I was like,
what have we got going here? But there's all kinds
of tricks. He's like, look, when you live here, that's
the way you gotta do it if you're gonna to
be out in this kind of you know, this time
of year. And he played all year round there he
plays year around.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, construction workers where you see him like in sweatshirts
and hoodies even though it's one hundred and ten degrees out,
but they don't want to get burned.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. Yeah, and or you know, worse yet, skin cancer.
You know, I mean you're trying to avoid, trying to
absolutely trying to avoid all that, all that kind of stuff.
So yeah, you know, Zach Attack was just telling me
earlier about when we were going on I you know,
we were looking over the show sheet and he goes,
(02:32):
you know, Alex Stone. Later he goes, oh, you know
what I started watching that. It's the Menendez brother something
to do with them on Netflix, he was telling me,
And you're what do you add, Zach.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Like, you're there's nine episodes. I'm on episode seven.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So what is it basically kind of setting up to
where we're current day with them or.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
What is No, I don't I get see if episode
nine covers thirty years up until now, that's what, But
I'm up until right before they're kind of going to trial.
They're talking to their lawyer about what happened, and they'll
say one thing, then they'll kind of renig on it.
Then they'll say something else. So it's a whole amalgamation
of different things that I had no idea the whole story.
(03:10):
So it's interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah. He was telling me Alex that he had, you know,
been watching this. I didn't even know it was on
Netflix this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's kind of what got everything going back in like
October ish because they did the is that the scripted
series or the documentary?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I saw the documentary, but I'm on the scripted one.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's both of those. That and then the
previous DA here in La County he wanted them released
because of what was on Netflix. I got the support
to get everything going. So tomorrow is finally with the
Menendez brothers, who have been waiting for since around October
when this all came out from Netflix and from the PREVIOUSDA,
(03:51):
and they get to make their argument beginning tomorrow, and
since then we've got a new DA, much more conservative.
He opposes a release, but the court is keeping the
old DA's argument for their release as the official status
of what the County of La wants, even though the
new DA wants that tossed out and his new argument.
But because it was already filed. The judge has to
(04:13):
keep the original argument, so there's a lot of back
and forth. So the DA is going to come in
tomorrow and argue against their release, even though what's officially
filed with the court is the DA wanting their release
because of the previous DA. But their family members they
want them to get out.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
We stand together not just for Eric and Lyle, but
for every person who has been silenced, for every person
who has fought to be believed, and for every person
who has been told that the worst thing they ever
did defines them forever.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So the family claims this is about new evidence that
shows that the brothers were sexually abused by their dad
and that's why they killed their parents. But the new
DA is saying that's a bunch of bull, that they've
spent years lying about the murders. They have not come clean,
that they were entitled young men who just wanted their
parents' money and to go and spend it all and
have a life without their parents. The new evidence has
(05:06):
not been authenticated that even if they were sexually abused,
that that is not a self defense argument, as the
family claims, because it was not in the moment that
the parents were Kitty and Jose were watching TV when
they were murdered via shotguns. That it wasn't as self
defense right there. So Nathan Hawkman, the new DA here
is saying that they don't deserve to be released.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
In order to be truly rehabilitated, you have to acknowledge
the full breadth of your criminal conduct, your cover up,
and your lives.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So they were sent to prison for life without the
chance of parole. But because of resentencing laws in California,
if they can prove that they have been rehabilitated in prison,
they have the chance of getting out, and the judge
is gonna have to decide, maybe as early as day
two of this hearing on Wednesday. It's gonna be tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
On Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
They could get out immediately. They could stay in prison
for the rest of their lives. They could get a
chance at parole, and they would go to parole. It
could last months to years in the parole board system.
Eric could get one thing, Lyle could get the other.
But it'll be up to the judge million different ways
that this could go. But there is the possibility that
did they get released come Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
What what is as far as how do they prove
they're rehabilitated. I've always wondered, you know, and not that
you're like, oh, I got the answer for that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
No I do.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I mean, yeah, no, they So they're going to have
seven family members testified. It's like of any trial and
experts who have been in prison with them saying they,
you know, did this for this charity. They've done this
for these children. They got married, they pink college. What's
that pinky Swearah? Essentially yeah, yeah, they got that. They
(06:43):
got married and they they went to college and all
this different stuff. And it'll be kind of how the
judge sees it. But we know that the parole board
sees them as a moderate risk if they were to
be released from prison. But the moderate risk is based
on that they've had cell phones in prison and other
nonviolent things. And the judge during a hearing on Friday, went, okay,
(07:05):
but every inmate has an illegal cell phone in prison,
like you know, he says, tell me that they are
a gang leader, tell me that they committed murder in prison,
which would be different than having an illegal cell phone.
But the argument is, if you have an illegal cell
phone in prison that you didn't follow the rules in prison,
that you won't follow the rules when you get out.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But at the same time, if every inmate and essentially
most inmates do sneak them in somehow, the judge was
kind of like, okay, but that's not they didn't murder
somebody in prison.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
So and if everybody in prison was jumping off of
a bridge, would you jump off.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Of a bridge?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
True, but to his point being, it wasn't violent. And
is that the same thing as it's saying that when
you get out that you're going to murder somebody. So,
I mean, all of this is going to have to
be debated, and this is what that Tuesday and Wednesday
is going to be all about.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I don't see them getting out. I would be in shock.
If somehow they were able, I.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Don't think they should. But I do see them get
really yes, what do you think, Alex.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think there's a very real chance that they are
going to be given some relief. But it may be
the judge giving it to the parole board. If he
says I'm going to change your life in prison without
parole and make it fifty years to life, they would
be eligible. They've they've served thirty five years, they would
be eligible for parole, and then it would go to
the parole board, and the parole board would say, hey,
(08:19):
we ranked you as a moderatet risk. Most likely would
then say you're not getting out, and they could try
again in three years. But the judge could say, you
know what this all fits under California law. You I
am bringing down the charges that you were convicted of
to manslaughter. They would have already served the time for
manslaughter and they would get out immediately.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man, this is this is pretty interesting because clearly this
is an enormous case that just about everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Living and back in the day it was so big. Yeah, yeah,
back in the nineties it was a really big deal.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
And when you said that one could get something in
the other could get something else, that kind of baffles me.
They're in there in prison on the same convictions they are.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But you know Lyle. I believe with Lyle who kind
of led the whole. He's older and he was the
one who actually pulled the trigger. So they could say, well,
Eric didn't pull the trigger. He was part of the
plot but didn't actually commit. Or they could say this
one's done this in prison and this one's done that,
and that it's not the same thing, and that one
has progressed more than the other. That they aren't a package,
(09:20):
you know, and when it comes to the prison system,
there are two individuals, so they may not get the
same thing. Man.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
That is we'll be following this. This is interesting. You
say that it's going to be what Tuesday tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, and today hearing Tuesday Wednesday. I mean, let's say
they really race the road tomorrow and then the judge
could rule immediately or could say, you know what, I'll
rule in a couple of weeks. We don't know what
he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
We'll be watching for sure and following along. Alex Stone,
ABC News, Alex, thank you very much. You got it.
Thanks guys to see you. Man. The other thing too
real quick is man, where we got to go?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But it's okay. The next guy doesn't care if he's late.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I started thinking, I'm like, let's say these two get out.
Do they just blend in and just go away and
be caught like I don't want any well that yes,
but then do they just fade into society and go
we don't want any more trouble? In other words, do
they see the air of their ways and go, we
(10:18):
just got a charmed life now, and so let's just
be just be quiet and go be quiet and suburban
and just fade away.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I don't think so that's the problem.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I think he has them on with a reality show
and they'll be on the talk show circuit, and yeah,
they they want their glory. Man, they were spoiled little
rich kids. Now they want to be spoiled. Ex convicts
Alex Stone joining us ABC News in Los Angeles raining.
You guys had rained lately, Alex.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
No, no, no. Over the weekend we were over one
hundred degrees.
Speaker 1 (00:11):
Good lord. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
Rates in southern California.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, no, and rarely yeah, Friday, Saturday, even Sunday. In
many areas it was the records were broken and in
Summarias were like one o three, one oh four. But
today it's like seventy one and tomorrow is going to
be sixty eight. So we like thirty degrees cooler today,
which is nice.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, yeah, that is nice. Thirty degrees what a swing man?
Speaker 3 (00:35):
Right, yeah?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Crazy? Yeah. In the week Memorial Day week, I'm going
to be I'm in Vegas and we're golfing a couple
of times, so I'm hoping to avoid, you know, triple digits.
Speaker 2 (00:47):
It could be nine thousand degrees or it could be
like seventy five.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
It's a dry heat.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
No, and it's hot. It's hot.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is brutal. The one, my one buddy who lives
there is plays all the time, is really great golfer actually,
but he's got these sleeves that he'll I've been there before.
When we're playing it it'll be we've played when it's
one oh three, right, I mean it's brutal, right, And
he puts the sleep they're white, but they're made of
(01:18):
some sort of they're tight that he put. But he'll
have a short sleeve shirt on. But then he pulls
these sleeves on and it and it protects his arms.
And he's obviously trying to avoid and he got his
skin cancer or whatever the way that it. Because I'm like,
oh my god, you have sleeves on, you know, And
he's like, well, when you live out and he golfs
constantly year round, so he's just trying to avoid. And
(01:40):
he's in his seventies, young seventies, so so far, so good.
It's working for him.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
What the football players wear, like the sleeves that go up, yeah,
up to like your bicep and then your shirt covers up.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's right, that's exactly what they are. Because I was like,
what have we got going here? But there's all kinds
of tricks. He's like, look, when you live here, that's
the way you gotta do it if you're gonna to
be out in this kind of you know, this time
of year. And he played all year round there he
plays year around.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Yeah, construction workers where you see him like in sweatshirts
and hoodies even though it's one hundred and ten degrees out,
but they don't want to get burned.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Yeah. Yeah, and or you know, worse yet, skin cancer.
You know, I mean you're trying to avoid, trying to
absolutely trying to avoid all that, all that kind of stuff.
So yeah, you know, Zach Attack was just telling me
earlier about when we were going on I you know,
we were looking over the show sheet and he goes,
(02:32):
you know, Alex Stone. Later he goes, oh, you know
what I started watching that. It's the Menendez brother something
to do with them on Netflix, he was telling me,
And you're what do you add, Zach.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Like, you're there's nine episodes. I'm on episode seven.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So what is it basically kind of setting up to
where we're current day with them or.
Speaker 4 (02:49):
What is No, I don't I get see if episode
nine covers thirty years up until now, that's what, But
I'm up until right before they're kind of going to trial.
They're talking to their lawyer about what happened, and they'll
say one thing, then they'll kind of renig on it.
Then they'll say something else. So it's a whole amalgamation
of different things that I had no idea the whole story.
(03:10):
So it's interesting, right.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah. He was telling me Alex that he had, you know,
been watching this. I didn't even know it was on
Netflix this time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but pretty interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's kind of what got everything going back in like
October ish because they did the is that the scripted
series or the documentary?
Speaker 4 (03:26):
I saw the documentary, but I'm on the scripted one.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
Yeah, yeah, it's both of those. That and then the
previous DA here in La County he wanted them released
because of what was on Netflix. I got the support
to get everything going. So tomorrow is finally with the
Menendez brothers, who have been waiting for since around October
when this all came out from Netflix and from the PREVIOUSDA,
(03:51):
and they get to make their argument beginning tomorrow, and
since then we've got a new DA, much more conservative.
He opposes a release, but the court is keeping the
old DA's argument for their release as the official status
of what the County of La wants, even though the
new DA wants that tossed out and his new argument.
But because it was already filed. The judge has to
(04:13):
keep the original argument, so there's a lot of back
and forth. So the DA is going to come in
tomorrow and argue against their release, even though what's officially
filed with the court is the DA wanting their release
because of the previous DA. But their family members they
want them to get out.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
We stand together not just for Eric and Lyle, but
for every person who has been silenced, for every person
who has fought to be believed, and for every person
who has been told that the worst thing they ever
did defines them forever.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So the family claims this is about new evidence that
shows that the brothers were sexually abused by their dad
and that's why they killed their parents. But the new
DA is saying that's a bunch of bull, that they've
spent years lying about the murders. They have not come clean,
that they were entitled young men who just wanted their
parents' money and to go and spend it all and
have a life without their parents. The new evidence has
(05:06):
not been authenticated that even if they were sexually abused,
that that is not a self defense argument, as the
family claims, because it was not in the moment that
the parents were Kitty and Jose were watching TV when
they were murdered via shotguns. That it wasn't as self
defense right there. So Nathan Hawkman, the new DA here
is saying that they don't deserve to be released.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
In order to be truly rehabilitated, you have to acknowledge
the full breadth of your criminal conduct, your cover up,
and your lives.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
So they were sent to prison for life without the
chance of parole. But because of resentencing laws in California,
if they can prove that they have been rehabilitated in prison,
they have the chance of getting out, and the judge
is gonna have to decide, maybe as early as day
two of this hearing on Wednesday. It's gonna be tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
On Wednesday.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
They could get out immediately. They could stay in prison
for the rest of their lives. They could get a
chance at parole, and they would go to parole. It
could last months to years in the parole board system.
Eric could get one thing, Lyle could get the other.
But it'll be up to the judge million different ways
that this could go. But there is the possibility that
did they get released come Wednesday.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
What what is as far as how do they prove
they're rehabilitated. I've always wondered, you know, and not that
you're like, oh, I got the answer for that.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
No I do.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
I mean, yeah, no, they So they're going to have
seven family members testified. It's like of any trial and
experts who have been in prison with them saying they,
you know, did this for this charity. They've done this
for these children. They got married, they pink college. What's
that pinky Swearah? Essentially yeah, yeah, they got that. They
(06:43):
got married and they they went to college and all
this different stuff. And it'll be kind of how the
judge sees it. But we know that the parole board
sees them as a moderate risk if they were to
be released from prison. But the moderate risk is based
on that they've had cell phones in prison and other
nonviolent things. And the judge during a hearing on Friday, went, okay,
(07:05):
but every inmate has an illegal cell phone in prison,
like you know, he says, tell me that they are
a gang leader, tell me that they committed murder in prison,
which would be different than having an illegal cell phone.
But the argument is, if you have an illegal cell
phone in prison that you didn't follow the rules in prison,
that you won't follow the rules when you get out.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
But at the same time, if every inmate and essentially
most inmates do sneak them in somehow, the judge was
kind of like, okay, but that's not they didn't murder
somebody in prison.
Speaker 6 (07:33):
So and if everybody in prison was jumping off of
a bridge, would you jump off.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Of a bridge?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
True, but to his point being, it wasn't violent. And
is that the same thing as it's saying that when
you get out that you're going to murder somebody. So,
I mean, all of this is going to have to
be debated, and this is what that Tuesday and Wednesday
is going to be all about.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
I don't see them getting out. I would be in shock.
If somehow they were able, I.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Don't think they should. But I do see them get
really yes, what do you think, Alex.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
I think there's a very real chance that they are
going to be given some relief. But it may be
the judge giving it to the parole board. If he
says I'm going to change your life in prison without
parole and make it fifty years to life, they would
be eligible. They've they've served thirty five years, they would
be eligible for parole, and then it would go to
the parole board, and the parole board would say, hey,
(08:19):
we ranked you as a moderatet risk. Most likely would
then say you're not getting out, and they could try
again in three years. But the judge could say, you
know what this all fits under California law. You I
am bringing down the charges that you were convicted of
to manslaughter. They would have already served the time for
manslaughter and they would get out immediately.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Man, this is this is pretty interesting because clearly this
is an enormous case that just about everybody.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Living and back in the day it was so big. Yeah, yeah,
back in the nineties it was a really big deal.
Speaker 6 (08:49):
And when you said that one could get something in
the other could get something else, that kind of baffles me.
They're in there in prison on the same convictions they are.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
But you know Lyle. I believe with Lyle who kind
of led the whole. He's older and he was the
one who actually pulled the trigger. So they could say, well,
Eric didn't pull the trigger. He was part of the
plot but didn't actually commit. Or they could say this
one's done this in prison and this one's done that,
and that it's not the same thing, and that one
has progressed more than the other. That they aren't a package,
(09:20):
you know, and when it comes to the prison system,
there are two individuals, so they may not get the
same thing. Man.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
That is we'll be following this. This is interesting. You
say that it's going to be what Tuesday tomorrow?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah, and today hearing Tuesday Wednesday. I mean, let's say
they really race the road tomorrow and then the judge
could rule immediately or could say, you know what, I'll
rule in a couple of weeks. We don't know what
he's going to do.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
We'll be watching for sure and following along. Alex Stone,
ABC News, Alex, thank you very much. You got it.
Thanks guys to see you. Man. The other thing too
real quick is man, where we got to go?
Speaker 3 (09:53):
But it's okay. The next guy doesn't care if he's late.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
I started thinking, I'm like, let's say these two get out.
Do they just blend in and just go away and
be caught like I don't want any well that yes,
but then do they just fade into society and go
we don't want any more trouble? In other words, do
they see the air of their ways and go, we
(10:18):
just got a charmed life now, and so let's just
be just be quiet and go be quiet and suburban
and just fade away.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
I don't think so that's the problem.
Speaker 6 (10:29):
I think he has them on with a reality show
and they'll be on the talk show circuit, and yeah,
they they want their glory. Man, they were spoiled little
rich kids. Now they want to be spoiled. Ex convicts
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