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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, it looks like the uh looks like our Cincinnati
Reds are headed for a loss today. It is the
bottom of the seventh they are losing in Cleveland, third game.
It's they're down eleven to two right now. So Johnny,
Johnny sent me a text right before the top of
the area goes, did the Reds know they were playing
today ago? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's big dummies, So they're not out of it yet.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So what you're saying is there's a chance still, it's
a chance. Yeah, the I guess, I guess the Guardians
could go completely to sleep and allow them to score.
What would that take nine runs just to get it
to even. So that's not happening. I'm telling you it's
not happening.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So you're telling me there's a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
But they do win five in a row by winning
last night one nothing and is the first time in
history since he has beaten Cleveland five straight times. So
five in a row for the Reds, five straight times
beating Cleveland, and so yeah, the chance to sweep is
not Really, there's no chance.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I got all happy. I didn't know that there was
a sixth game. I thought five was the whole and
I was so happy. You know, there's no peanuts and
cracker jacks. I didn't bring them because then I found
out there was a sixth game and I knew, okay,
this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, it's almost like, you know, last night they were like, yeah,
we won the series. We won this. It's like, boys,
you still have a game to play. And I get it,
you won the series in that you've won two of
a possible three, but you still have a game to
play and you could sweep them again and then beat
them six times in a row. But yeah, Andrew Abbott,
(01:41):
he he pitched all one hundred and ten pitches last night.
He pitched all nine innings. The starter went all the
way to the end, first time in his major league career.
So it was pretty cool to watch. And it looked
like it was. It looked like they were going to
end up in extra innings last night because as the
bottom of the ninth had Cleveland a couple of different times,
(02:03):
it looked like something was going to happen and the
Reds are going to blow it. But they didn't. So anyway,
that's a nice accomplishment for them. Here's a thing. So
they're probably going to lose today in Cleveland, they get
tomorrow off, and then they go for a three game
set in Detroit, a very good Tigers team who have
forty four wins right now, which would be eleven better
(02:25):
than the Reds current current record. So yeah, very good
Tigers are for real this year, by the way, So
they're probably going to run into a bussault, although it
seems like the teams they're supposed to really struggle against.
So let's hope that's the case.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Let's hope that's the case.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So, you know, seeing that Brian Wilson passed eighty two
years old, Beach Boys co founder. Seeing that earlier today,
I started reading, I had no idea what has transpired
with this guy? I had no idea all of the
different things that has happened with him. How did I miss.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All of this? His life has been a tragic soap opera. Yeah,
forty years it's crazy. But you know what, some of
the crazy I think is what created the genius. Yeah.
I kind of put him in the same class with
Michael Jackson. So odd, so many issues, so many that
you see music that the rest of us can't even understand.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Here, Yeah, and that's probably it, because it's like, does
anybody normal ever come up with anything genius? And by normal,
I just mean, you know, just a regular, a regular,
run of the mill type person who has a regular brain.
It seems like the ones who come up with some
(03:49):
of this incredible stuff, be it art, be it music,
be it movies, they're anything but normal. And by normal,
I just mean somebody who's ho hum, goes along in
life and it's like they're tortured, they're troubled. It's like
a trade off.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Even the Beach Boys. I'm not a tremendous beach I mean,
I appreciate the Beach Boys. I'm not like a nutcase
fan of the Beach Boys, but I you know, I
love the fact that. In fact, I think last was it.
Last week we were talking about TV shows where everybody
came together, like Taxi and Wings. It was an ensemble.
Cheers with George Went Dying was the reason we started
(04:26):
talking about that. The Beach Boys were kind of like
that too. Brian's writing, his understanding of harmonies, the group's
harmonies together, and Mike Love's vocals. Were you needed all
of that? That was his cousin, Yes, yes, you needed
all of that for the Beach Boys. Without any of
(04:49):
those one elements, everything they were doesn't exist, right, And
that's awesome that the team played all that time together.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, they were more effective as a whole as the
some of their parts are what they need right In
other words, Also, he survived by his daughters, and by
the way, his family did not cite a cause as
of right now. But yeah, Carne and Wendy part of
Wilson Phillips, which a fantastic.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean harmonization.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, say whatever you want about Wilson Phillips, but they're
incredibly talented, really talented. Who was the who was the
smoke show one? Who want the short blonde hair?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I thought she was a smoked That was Wendy, wasn't it?
Is it? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well one of them has what like red hair, right,
and then one of them.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
In auburn, and one was blonde, and then one had
the dark hair. The dark hair that was Papa John
Phillips's daughter.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Okay, the of the moms in the PI Yeah yeah, yeah, okay.
Also five adopted children from his second his first marriage,
Carnie and Wendy, and then five adopted from his second marriage.
About of mental illness. In case you didn't know this, now, listen,
I think I consider myself I'm a decent I have
(06:05):
a decent knowledge of music. Now, maybe the reason I
didn't know what I am reading today about Brian Wilson
is just because I like you, Chuck. I'm like, Okay,
I can cite what the Beach Boys did, their place
in history and the type of influence they had, and boy,
they were in a tough spot with regard to trying
(06:26):
to make their way. I mean, the Beatles were around then.
I mean, you have you have you have some tough,
stiff competition if you will, for that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Time, and the Beatles were a prime reason that the
Dad pushed Brian and Dennis so hard was because I
think he wanted Americans to run the show on the
American music charts. I think the Beatles were their successful
or a big reason why the Beach Boys had to
be so good. I just I really believe that came
into play. Yeah, Dad was kind of a task master
(06:55):
from everything I ever.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Read, so I guess. I mean the seventies and eighties
were when the psychological torments, as they put in here,
were most aggressive. You know, Kokomo, when that was out
in the.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Eighties, that was ninety one, was well, was it?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Why do I feel like that's an eighties taal okay?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah with Tom Yeah, Tom Cruise. And so I didn't
realize the type of stuff that he went through. So
he descended into seclusion. Later years, he'd be diagnosed as
having schizo effective disorder, a mental health condition marked by hallucinations, depression, paranoia.
(07:36):
He heard voices and was stayed in his bel air mansion,
oftentimes for long periods of time, did drugs eight obsessively.
He stayed connected with the group he found it, and
he would offer a range of creative input from his isolation.
And then his condition becomes more extreme after the death
of family patriarch in nineteen seventy three. And so when
(08:02):
I when I was reading this, I go nineteen seventy three.
That was way before. I'm like, wait a minute, how
he must have come out of this somewhat too, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
When Coco was eighty eight, by the way, you were right.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, yeah, And so story circulating of his strange behavior.
I had no idea. Rumors of him rarely leaving his bed,
impromptu appearances at Los Angeles clubs and just a bathrobe
and slippers, turning away. Visiting stars like Paul and Linda
McCartney who would show up at his house, his bel
(08:35):
Air mansion, he would turn them away.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
He's like, musicians are weird people.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Man, that's so bizarre, right to hear that, it's just bizarre,
Like they show up and he's like, no, can.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
We come in for I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'm sleeping, I'm eating. I'm eating and sleeping.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I told you the Michael McDonald thing from a few
weeks ago where Kitty Loggins was coming over to co
write and Michael McDonald's sister came to the house and
cleaned up because his house was covered in cigarette butts
and dirty underwear. Nice. And he told that story himself
when they were writing a song together, and he's like, yeah, man,
I don't care. I lived by myself.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I was trying to I was trying to remember you
telling me that. I was trying to remember. Jenny and
I were watching the our eighties videos on whatever Saturday
or Sunday morning, and Keep Forgetting came on and he's
just sitting at the piano the whole and is what
looked like maybe a corduroy looking type blazer with the
(09:37):
beard and obviously you know his classic Michael McDonald look.
And I was trying to remember. I thought, yea, because
I go, you know, I guess his house was a mess.
And she's like, what, I go. I don't even remember
where I heard this, but I guess like he was
a real he was a real piece of work, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know, he didn't care he was buying blob. I
heard the same thing about Phil Collins in the little
cottage he lived in was apparently like a little hermitage,
just packed ceiling, the floor. Nobody visits, it's his. That's
that's how he wanted to be interesting. Yeah, I mean, hey,
if you're wealthy, man, you can be as as eccentric
as you want to be with the housekeeping.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I guess then they go back to Brian Wilson managed
a bit of a comeback into public life. Come back
wouldn't last long, though he was able to still function
in the studio on occasion, it resumed his self destructive
routine of drugging, drinking and eating, eventually overdosing in nineteen
eighty two. I didn't know he overdosed. It's kind of
an interesting There is there a movie about There's got to.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Be a movie. I'm sure there probably is.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, you would think there'd be a movie about Brian Wilson.
And if there isn't, there should be because I feel
like you won't even have to embellish any just do
his life on screen. I'd i'd like to see that.
Is that hit Love and Mercy Zach Attack just told us?
Is that about him? Is it like his biography or whatever?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, Yeah, it's about him. The guy who plays at
Paul Dano, I think, is a incredibly good actor. So
check it out.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is it legit though? Like it's it's uh, you know,
like they're like this, like they include all this stuff
that we're kind of going over right now.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think for the most part, I mean I haven't
seen all of it. It's kind of it's about pet
sounds a lot of it, and Wilson himself said that
it's pretty factual, but it's a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I wouldn't think you'd have to embellish at all. Right,
it's pretty interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
A little bit as embellished for artistic expression.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
In the eighty two overdose. The very next year is
when his brother Dennis odeed and died, which you know,
you would think they're tortured. I know.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And these people.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Raised in the same family, in the same group all
that stuff. I'm sure they were very very close. And
you have to wonder what these guys went through, those
brothers and that family that took them both down that
same road.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Man, how many do we hear about all of these
different artists that are ridiculously and I don't know how
rich they were. I'm guessing they were pretty rich, but
the really really rich people, And you mentioned Michael Jackson.
Look at poor Britney Spears. What's wrong with Oh, dear lord,
She's absolutely just a mess. She I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's gonna sound crazy, but I watch Britney Spears, I
see her pop up on TikTok or what. I mean
this very sincerely. I wish I could go wherever she
is and just put my arms around that girl and
hold her and and talk to her and listen to her.
And it breaks my heart to see somebody that had
(12:49):
everything who is just falling apart. I just want to
help her so bad. It kills me that that nobody's
doing something to actually help her. They're all taking advantage
of the fact that, you know Britney, well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Her dad had the conservative ship and I was happy
when you know that he had to let go of that. Yeah,
but the thing is, I don't know. Yeah, she's she's
bat you know what, crazy, But it's her money. She
earned it. I mean, it's not fair for just because
they go, well you're just well you're crazy. Well, okay,
(13:21):
she's crazy. It's her money, though. I mean, if anything,
she should get to do whatever she wants with it.
Look what it did do her. I mean, she's absolutely ruined.
She's been ruined for how long I don't know, is
before she shaved her head. I'm telling you here's my point.
These people trade. It's a deal with the devil. I
feel like they make or something. And and why Britney
(13:41):
Spears takes off as opposed to filling the blank for
all of the other people with talent around that time
that are girls that are good looking, you know what
I mean, like baby one more time. I still see
her in the hallway of that school dancing around and
look at what happened. It is sad. But my point
is with Brian Wilson two and all of the Michael Jay,
(14:02):
and we can go through a whole huge list if
we sit here and compile it. I feel so sad
for these people and you say to them you'd like
to go back or ask them now if they have
a moment of lucidity, and you could say, would you
go back and stop this to be normal and not
be where you're at now?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You know, And I think I can't imagine any of
them go no, no, no, I would do this all
over it now, you.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Know, there's I guarantee there's got there. At least some
would say, yeah, I'd rather have the fame and the
crazy and die early and all that kind of stuffy
there's For some people that's the ultimate. That's all they want.
If I had to choose between being you know, dirt
poor and and in control of myself versus wealthy as
all get out and completely out of my mind, I'd
(14:46):
stay poor.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
See that's the thing. I think, if you had a
moment of clarity and you could answer it with sound mind,
it's hard to understand why somebody go, yeah, no, no,
I'll go to crazy and at least I'm rich, you know, yeah,
whatever it's like, but look what you look.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
What you did so I can buy sanity later if
I need.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It, right and they can't clearly, but there it is.
Brian Wilson, co founder of Beach Boys, dead at the
age of eighty two. I just you just wonder if
if he had if he if he had enough uh
normalcy toward the end of his life to try to
at least kind of gather and and enjoy a few
(15:27):
years and and not just be nuts all the way
to the end and not even realize, what's you know
what he's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, I hope so Yeah,
Well, it looks like the uh looks like our Cincinnati
Reds are headed for a loss today. It is the
bottom of the seventh they are losing in Cleveland, third game.
It's they're down eleven to two right now. So Johnny,
Johnny sent me a text right before the top of
the area goes, did the Reds know they were playing
today ago? Exactly?
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's big dummies, So they're not out of it yet.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
So what you're saying is there's a chance still, it's
a chance. Yeah, the I guess, I guess the Guardians
could go completely to sleep and allow them to score.
What would that take nine runs just to get it
to even. So that's not happening. I'm telling you it's
not happening.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
So you're telling me there's a chance.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
But they do win five in a row by winning
last night one nothing and is the first time in
history since he has beaten Cleveland five straight times. So
five in a row for the Reds, five straight times
beating Cleveland, and so yeah, the chance to sweep is
not Really, there's no chance.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
I got all happy. I didn't know that there was
a sixth game. I thought five was the whole and
I was so happy. You know, there's no peanuts and
cracker jacks. I didn't bring them because then I found
out there was a sixth game and I knew, okay,
this is what's going to happen.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Yeah, it's almost like, you know, last night they were like, yeah,
we won the series. We won this. It's like, boys,
you still have a game to play. And I get it,
you won the series in that you've won two of
a possible three, but you still have a game to
play and you could sweep them again and then beat
them six times in a row. But yeah, Andrew Abbott,
(01:41):
he he pitched all one hundred and ten pitches last night.
He pitched all nine innings. The starter went all the
way to the end, first time in his major league career.
So it was pretty cool to watch. And it looked
like it was. It looked like they were going to
end up in extra innings last night because as the
bottom of the ninth had Cleveland a couple of different times,
(02:03):
it looked like something was going to happen and the
Reds are going to blow it. But they didn't. So anyway,
that's a nice accomplishment for them. Here's a thing. So
they're probably going to lose today in Cleveland, they get
tomorrow off, and then they go for a three game
set in Detroit, a very good Tigers team who have
forty four wins right now, which would be eleven better
(02:25):
than the Reds current current record. So yeah, very good
Tigers are for real this year, by the way, So
they're probably going to run into a bussault, although it
seems like the teams they're supposed to really struggle against.
So let's hope that's the case.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Let's hope that's the case.
Speaker 1 (02:45):
So, you know, seeing that Brian Wilson passed eighty two
years old, Beach Boys co founder. Seeing that earlier today,
I started reading, I had no idea what has transpired
with this guy? I had no idea all of the
different things that has happened with him. How did I miss.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
All of this? His life has been a tragic soap opera. Yeah,
forty years it's crazy. But you know what, some of
the crazy I think is what created the genius. Yeah.
I kind of put him in the same class with
Michael Jackson. So odd, so many issues, so many that
you see music that the rest of us can't even understand.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Here, Yeah, and that's probably it, because it's like, does
anybody normal ever come up with anything genius? And by normal,
I just mean, you know, just a regular, a regular,
run of the mill type person who has a regular brain.
It seems like the ones who come up with some
(03:49):
of this incredible stuff, be it art, be it music,
be it movies, they're anything but normal. And by normal,
I just mean somebody who's ho hum, goes along in
life and it's like they're tortured, they're troubled. It's like
a trade off.
Speaker 2 (04:06):
Even the Beach Boys. I'm not a tremendous beach I mean,
I appreciate the Beach Boys. I'm not like a nutcase
fan of the Beach Boys, but I you know, I
love the fact that. In fact, I think last was it.
Last week we were talking about TV shows where everybody
came together, like Taxi and Wings. It was an ensemble.
Cheers with George Went Dying was the reason we started
(04:26):
talking about that. The Beach Boys were kind of like
that too. Brian's writing, his understanding of harmonies, the group's
harmonies together, and Mike Love's vocals. Were you needed all
of that? That was his cousin, Yes, yes, you needed
all of that for the Beach Boys. Without any of
(04:49):
those one elements, everything they were doesn't exist, right, And
that's awesome that the team played all that time together.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Yeah, they were more effective as a whole as the
some of their parts are what they need right In
other words, Also, he survived by his daughters, and by
the way, his family did not cite a cause as
of right now. But yeah, Carne and Wendy part of
Wilson Phillips, which a fantastic.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
I mean harmonization.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
Yeah, say whatever you want about Wilson Phillips, but they're
incredibly talented, really talented. Who was the who was the
smoke show one? Who want the short blonde hair?
Speaker 2 (05:30):
I thought she was a smoked That was Wendy, wasn't it?
Is it? Okay? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Well one of them has what like red hair, right,
and then one of them.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
In auburn, and one was blonde, and then one had
the dark hair. The dark hair that was Papa John
Phillips's daughter.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
Okay, the of the moms in the PI Yeah yeah, yeah, okay.
Also five adopted children from his second his first marriage,
Carnie and Wendy, and then five adopted from his second marriage.
About of mental illness. In case you didn't know this, now, listen,
I think I consider myself I'm a decent I have
(06:05):
a decent knowledge of music. Now, maybe the reason I
didn't know what I am reading today about Brian Wilson
is just because I like you, Chuck. I'm like, Okay,
I can cite what the Beach Boys did, their place
in history and the type of influence they had, and boy,
they were in a tough spot with regard to trying
(06:26):
to make their way. I mean, the Beatles were around then.
I mean, you have you have you have some tough,
stiff competition if you will, for that.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
Time, and the Beatles were a prime reason that the
Dad pushed Brian and Dennis so hard was because I
think he wanted Americans to run the show on the
American music charts. I think the Beatles were their successful
or a big reason why the Beach Boys had to
be so good. I just I really believe that came
into play. Yeah, Dad was kind of a task master
(06:55):
from everything I ever.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Read, so I guess. I mean the seventies and eighties
were when the psychological torments, as they put in here,
were most aggressive. You know, Kokomo, when that was out
in the.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Eighties, that was ninety one, was well, was it?
Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Why do I feel like that's an eighties taal okay?
Speaker 1 (07:15):
Yeah with Tom Yeah, Tom Cruise. And so I didn't
realize the type of stuff that he went through. So
he descended into seclusion. Later years, he'd be diagnosed as
having schizo effective disorder, a mental health condition marked by hallucinations, depression, paranoia.
(07:36):
He heard voices and was stayed in his bel air mansion,
oftentimes for long periods of time, did drugs eight obsessively.
He stayed connected with the group he found it, and
he would offer a range of creative input from his isolation.
And then his condition becomes more extreme after the death
of family patriarch in nineteen seventy three. And so when
(08:02):
I when I was reading this, I go nineteen seventy three.
That was way before. I'm like, wait a minute, how
he must have come out of this somewhat too, you know.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
When Coco was eighty eight, by the way, you were right.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Okay, yeah, And so story circulating of his strange behavior.
I had no idea. Rumors of him rarely leaving his bed,
impromptu appearances at Los Angeles clubs and just a bathrobe
and slippers, turning away. Visiting stars like Paul and Linda
McCartney who would show up at his house, his bel
(08:35):
Air mansion, he would turn them away.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
He's like, musicians are weird people.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
Man, that's so bizarre, right to hear that, it's just bizarre,
Like they show up and he's like, no, can.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
We come in for I don't think so.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I'm sleeping, I'm eating. I'm eating and sleeping.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I told you the Michael McDonald thing from a few
weeks ago where Kitty Loggins was coming over to co
write and Michael McDonald's sister came to the house and
cleaned up because his house was covered in cigarette butts
and dirty underwear. Nice. And he told that story himself
when they were writing a song together, and he's like, yeah, man,
I don't care. I lived by myself.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I was trying to I was trying to remember you
telling me that. I was trying to remember. Jenny and
I were watching the our eighties videos on whatever Saturday
or Sunday morning, and Keep Forgetting came on and he's
just sitting at the piano the whole and is what
looked like maybe a corduroy looking type blazer with the
(09:37):
beard and obviously you know his classic Michael McDonald look.
And I was trying to remember. I thought, yea, because
I go, you know, I guess his house was a mess.
And she's like, what, I go. I don't even remember
where I heard this, but I guess like he was
a real he was a real piece of work, Like.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
You know, he didn't care he was buying blob. I
heard the same thing about Phil Collins in the little
cottage he lived in was apparently like a little hermitage,
just packed ceiling, the floor. Nobody visits, it's his. That's
that's how he wanted to be interesting. Yeah, I mean, hey,
if you're wealthy, man, you can be as as eccentric
as you want to be with the housekeeping.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
I guess then they go back to Brian Wilson managed
a bit of a comeback into public life. Come back
wouldn't last long, though he was able to still function
in the studio on occasion, it resumed his self destructive
routine of drugging, drinking and eating, eventually overdosing in nineteen
eighty two. I didn't know he overdosed. It's kind of
an interesting There is there a movie about There's got to.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Be a movie. I'm sure there probably is.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
Yeah, you would think there'd be a movie about Brian Wilson.
And if there isn't, there should be because I feel
like you won't even have to embellish any just do
his life on screen. I'd i'd like to see that.
Is that hit Love and Mercy Zach Attack just told us?
Is that about him? Is it like his biography or whatever?
Speaker 3 (11:00):
Yeah, Yeah, it's about him. The guy who plays at
Paul Dano, I think, is a incredibly good actor. So
check it out.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Is it legit though? Like it's it's uh, you know,
like they're like this, like they include all this stuff
that we're kind of going over right now.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think for the most part, I mean I haven't
seen all of it. It's kind of it's about pet
sounds a lot of it, and Wilson himself said that
it's pretty factual, but it's a little bit.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
I wouldn't think you'd have to embellish at all. Right,
it's pretty interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
A little bit as embellished for artistic expression.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
In the eighty two overdose. The very next year is
when his brother Dennis odeed and died, which you know,
you would think they're tortured. I know.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
And these people.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Raised in the same family, in the same group all
that stuff. I'm sure they were very very close. And
you have to wonder what these guys went through, those
brothers and that family that took them both down that
same road.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Man, how many do we hear about all of these
different artists that are ridiculously and I don't know how
rich they were. I'm guessing they were pretty rich, but
the really really rich people, And you mentioned Michael Jackson.
Look at poor Britney Spears. What's wrong with Oh, dear lord,
She's absolutely just a mess. She I don't understand it.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It's gonna sound crazy, but I watch Britney Spears, I
see her pop up on TikTok or what. I mean
this very sincerely. I wish I could go wherever she
is and just put my arms around that girl and
hold her and and talk to her and listen to her.
And it breaks my heart to see somebody that had
(12:49):
everything who is just falling apart. I just want to
help her so bad. It kills me that that nobody's
doing something to actually help her. They're all taking advantage
of the fact that, you know Britney, well.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
Her dad had the conservative ship and I was happy
when you know that he had to let go of that. Yeah,
but the thing is, I don't know. Yeah, she's she's
bat you know what, crazy, But it's her money. She
earned it. I mean, it's not fair for just because
they go, well you're just well you're crazy. Well, okay,
(13:21):
she's crazy. It's her money, though. I mean, if anything,
she should get to do whatever she wants with it.
Look what it did do her. I mean, she's absolutely ruined.
She's been ruined for how long I don't know, is
before she shaved her head. I'm telling you here's my point.
These people trade. It's a deal with the devil. I
feel like they make or something. And and why Britney
(13:41):
Spears takes off as opposed to filling the blank for
all of the other people with talent around that time
that are girls that are good looking, you know what
I mean, like baby one more time. I still see
her in the hallway of that school dancing around and
look at what happened. It is sad. But my point
is with Brian Wilson two and all of the Michael Jay,
(14:02):
and we can go through a whole huge list if
we sit here and compile it. I feel so sad
for these people and you say to them you'd like
to go back or ask them now if they have
a moment of lucidity, and you could say, would you
go back and stop this to be normal and not
be where you're at now?
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:20):
You know, And I think I can't imagine any of
them go no, no, no, I would do this all
over it now, you.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
Know, there's I guarantee there's got there. At least some
would say, yeah, I'd rather have the fame and the
crazy and die early and all that kind of stuffy
there's For some people that's the ultimate. That's all they want.
If I had to choose between being you know, dirt
poor and and in control of myself versus wealthy as
all get out and completely out of my mind, I'd
(14:46):
stay poor.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
See that's the thing. I think, if you had a
moment of clarity and you could answer it with sound mind,
it's hard to understand why somebody go, yeah, no, no,
I'll go to crazy and at least I'm rich, you know, yeah,
whatever it's like, but look what you look.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
What you did so I can buy sanity later if
I need.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
It, right and they can't clearly, but there it is.
Brian Wilson, co founder of Beach Boys, dead at the
age of eighty two. I just you just wonder if
if he had if he if he had enough uh
normalcy toward the end of his life to try to
at least kind of gather and and enjoy a few
(15:27):
years and and not just be nuts all the way
to the end and not even realize, what's you know
what he's you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Yeah, I hope so Yeah,
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