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May 20, 2025 13 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
You know, it made me think of just now based
on what you just said to me.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Chuck that thing about your legs, I'm sorry, they just
look good.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
Well, no, that not that, but thank you. That's very
kind of you. You were talking about your birthday coming
up and in July, and my son this morning said
he said to me, he goes, what's your when's your
next How old you going to be? And I said
my next birthday? He goes, yeah, I go fifty seven
and he goes, that's not old and he's eleven. I go, oh,

(00:31):
when's it old? He goes seventy. He goes, so you
got like thirteen plus years.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Well, bless his heart. Can he come hang around me
for a while? He says, killing me, He said.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
You have thirteen plus years before I all think you're old.
And I said, oh, well, okay, well thank you. That's
very nice. So just so you know, an eleven year
old doesn't think you're going to be old, that's good.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I appreciate him very much. But I have to convince
myself of that. It's just, you know, I don't feel old.
I don't I don't act old, I don't think old.
I don't nothing about me is old except my knees,
and I just this is hard to grasp that I'm
putting another decade under my belt.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:14):
That's that's that's weird.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
It just feels weird. Uh, father time's undefeated, as you know. Yeah,
so it's uh, you just you just roll with the punches.
You just go with what you can go with and
just try to you know, you just try to make
it last forever. If I could go, Keith sweat on you,
you remember that one. Yeah? Anyway, that's that's everybody's fighting, man.

(01:40):
You know, everybody's fighting. So you're not alone, my brother,
I know you are not alone. Oh and then we
got this young and joining us right now. FOP President
Lodge nine, Brian Steele is joining us.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
As a child. He's a child.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
Good to talk to you, too, young, and thank you
for joining us. We appreciate it. Welcome to old man talk.
So you get to be the guy that's not so
old talking to him, like.

Speaker 3 (02:07):
I prelisted forty seven. I know I look like I'm
twenty two and I'm as a limber as a fifteen
year old girl, but I'm forty seven.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
Well that's fantastic. That's got all kinds of side benefits
man being limberlos, although I.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Don't think he should really wear the leotard all the
time to make your points.

Speaker 3 (02:22):
That's no, you got that, You got it. How is
everybody doing?

Speaker 1 (02:26):
But man, you know you pull that off so well,
that's the thing because you take care of yourself and
that's what matters, Brian, So for.

Speaker 3 (02:32):
Sure, that's right, that's right. And great hair too. Let's
not forget that you.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Do really have great hair day, isn't he?

Speaker 3 (02:39):
Oh man, you guys started this right a motel sweet
fuckham or head lock them and you're putting me in
a corner.

Speaker 2 (02:46):
We got to change the name of this show Kojack
and Curly.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
Exactly. So let's start with, Yeah, there's a swat standoff
that happened, and uh it resulted in a dead bad guy.
I got to be honest, Brian, when I first saw
and there might be some other information that has has
kind of surfaced here at this point, but based on
the way that it looks like it plays out, I

(03:12):
almost and I don't know, you probably can't speculate on
this because nobody possibly will even ever know, but it
almost looked like, you know, you've heard suicide by cop.
It's like when you come to the door and you
know that swat is outside and you have a gun
in your hand. Now I know he had the I
believe it was a young lady that was with him, correct,
that was standing there with him?

Speaker 3 (03:33):
Yeah, Yeah, that's right. It's suspected out of a domestic
violent incident. You're talking about a very high risk, life
threatened situation where where officers responding literally a neighbor's calling,
they're here and screaming they think someone's being held against
or will patrol officers get there like they do every
time they get there immediately, they get there quick. They're
there to help somebody, and they automatically start taking gunfire

(03:56):
from inside the house. Very very high, high threat situation,
which is why they bring in Columbus Swat, which we've
talked about them before. Some of the best of the
best are Columbus SWAT.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Yeah, a female hostage. So is there any indication that
it was his girlfriend? Was it a relative? I mean,
do they know any of those particulars at this point?
Or I should say, do you know any of those?

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Yeah? So I do not know. Obviously, there's investigation and
the vision has not released that again, we suspect that
it was some kind of domestic situation. Now I remember,
the officers just think they're immediately fired upon, and just
the dedication the restrained. They don't know one where the
shots are coming from inside a house, but they have
reason to believe there's at least one innocent victim in

(04:40):
the house. So officers are not just going to indiscriminately
start firing into an occupied structure. They took cover and waited,
and even when SWAT came and a SWAT and a
host negotiation team, they were there for at least an
hour trying to talk this person out. When the individual
came out with the gun and started firing, and the
officers were able to have a clear target fired back,

(05:01):
and the officers are going home and that individual is not.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
You know, if it seems like you only have and
by you, i'm talking a third person like myself or
the listener, you only have maybe movies or that kind
of thing to draw on what would be considered almost
text book in a situation like this where they roll up,
they establish communication, talking to him, maybe trying to find out, hey,

(05:24):
what do you want? You know, all of those things again,
I don't know that that's really how all of that
plays out, but to see that part of this story
where they did make contact with him and then they
did speak to him, and then I read that during
some of the conversation is when some of the fire
took place, some of it from him shooting out.

Speaker 3 (05:44):
Yeah. Man, And again, those officers are patient swat the
host negotiator. They would have stayed there for hours, days
for a peaceful resolution. The person put them on a
minute danger. They responded with deadly force to protect themselves
and that innocent life inside that house and brought it
to an end. And again, these brave actions by highly

(06:05):
portrayed fesion professionals from both Patrol and SWAP prevented a
more potential tragedy. The victim is going home and that's amazing.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, Brian, what's been the immediate reaction? I mean, are
you getting any fallout, any any media idiots, any of
these ridiculous social media groups that want to tell you
everything you did wrong here? Or does everybody pretty much
understand this was a necessity. The guy raised his weapon,
he had a hostage and there was no choice.

Speaker 3 (06:30):
So social media, the court of social media, there will
always be somebody with some cockamam the idea that you
could have done. You could have air dropped the kitten
in the air for the person to pet for a
little bit and calm down. I don't know, I just
going to condemn. I'm going to commend the men and
women of Division of Police and also sometimes we forget
the tactical medics for the Division of Fire professional heroes.

(06:52):
They are embedded with our swat team and they immediately
go to render aid to this individual. And I definitely
I cannot speak more highly from Steve Stein's boys and
girls over there at Local sixty seven. Great job.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Yeah, that's the thing you're on social media. It's well,
you could have shot him in the leg, you know,
or you could have shot him in the armor. You
could have here's the best one, which I didn't see this,
but you do see these silly you know, like as
you put a kakamami posts or whatever the court of
social media, you could have shot that the weapon out
of his hand when he's waving it around. I mean,

(07:26):
if they're such good shot, you know, that's the thing.
I don't envy you guys having to deal with that,
that kind of idiocy post these kinds of situations and
you know, real lives are at stake, and you know,
all of this tension and everything else, it's it's just silly.
And God bless you guys for what you put up
with him. And you know how you handle these things
and you eliminate threats. Man, you your your bottom line

(07:48):
is you want to keep the public safety. I mean,
that's that's really and and it shines through in this
particular situation. All right, let's shift gears to you testified
earlier today for the anti ticket, anti quota bill. What
is this and tell me about this.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
So this has been going on. This is in the
General Assembly, it died out last year, it got passed
out through the Senate. Now we're over in the House.
This is a bill, common sense bill that every professional
law enforce organization, including the FOP, can get behind, every citizen,
every motoring public can get behind. We're trying to make
it a violational law and make it a criminal act

(08:26):
to have an illegal, unethical ticket quota arrest system. It's
very very rare, but it does happen in occasions where
rogue administrations, rogue police chiefs will have ticket quotas and
pressures on their officer. So it's everything you've heard. The
end of the month, you got to get your tickets in.
Maybe you get stopped for five over, you have a

(08:47):
good driver's record, it's not egregious. You should technically and
most likely are going to get a warning. Officers under
these unethical practices are pressured to write that ticket so
they don't get they don't get harassed at work or
anything like that. And we can get behind this, and
it also has a metric in there where if any
of this corruption is going on, the officers can report

(09:09):
it to the Attorney General to be investigated. We're all
public servants. We're charged with upholding safety, fairness, justice. It
goes the same way to the officer.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, it's interesting because we've heard those kinds of things
for years and years and years, and depending on who
you talk to, they're like, Nah, that's all that's all hogwash,
that's not a real thing, or whatever. So this is
interesting that this is a bill that's been introduced and
hopefully gets through. It sounds like you're in favor of it.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Yeah, I'm in favor of this bill. And again it's
very small, but if they don't come out and call
it ticket quota. They'll use some words out and say
performance objectives. If you don't make your performance objectives, maybe
you won't be issued a written reprimand. But maybe if
you are the officer in charge, or you had some
incentives like a training class you want to go to,
those would be stripped away because you're not what someone

(09:58):
call a high performer VCV. You're not writing enough tickets.
And it always seems to be kind of these these
little towns who are not doing very good financially, maybe
not very well run. Maybe their chiefs have no confidence
votes against them by their members. In order to try
to supplement that, they're trying to force their officers to
serve and collect instead of serve and protect, which we
took an oath to do.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
FOP President Lodge Nin' Brian Steele joining US Police Week
last week, I hear it was a smashing success. Eric
Delbert was on with us talking about it last week too,
and tell me what you learned and how you feel
about it.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
So what what I learned was three hundred and forty
five names were added to our National Police Memorial down
in cit DC, and that includes one hundred and forty
eight men and women of American law enforcement in twenty
fourteen that left home, kissed their families goodbye, and never
came home. You know, there's over twenty four thousand names
on that wall and it keeps growing. And if you

(10:55):
ever go down to d C, go to World War
Two Memorial, go to Korean War Memorial, see your police memorial.
It is the only wall where we keep adding and
it's not going to stop adding. Unfortunately. That's the dangers
that the mental women of American peace officer face every day.
So just please to me. Every day's Police Halves Appreciation Day,

(11:18):
Memorial Day, I think of them. If you live in
town here Thursday night STEPD Police Memorial. Fifty nine officers
a Columbus Division of Police have been killed in on
our wall. It'll be Thursday night at the Police Academy
at eight pm. Please come on buy and pay your respects.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Hey, I also want to throw this in. I misjudged
I had the wrong idea about what Police Week was
and what you were talking about last week when I
introduced this. I guess I should have went further when
I talked to you earlier before we went on it
was something else that I was thinking, and once you
started talking about it, I realized that, So I apologize
I was off on that.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
So no worries. We have a we have peace OFRCE
for Memorial Days, a national holiday, and we have recognized
this police week.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Very good, all right. FOP President Lodge nine, Brian Steele, Brian,
thanks for all you do. Thanks for jumping on with
us and keep fighting the good fight. Brother, appreciate you.

Speaker 3 (12:08):
Thank you, gentlemen.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
See you man, I was going to say, and I
know he was a little bited on time, but you
know every year right now, we're doing it. The blue lights.
Put your blue porch light in or whatever, show your
support for law enforcement. Yep, I think the FOP Lodge
nine should sell blue lights. It is like a fundraiser
for FOP charities or police athletics or whatever. They would,

(12:30):
you know, for the because they do so much public
service stuff. I'd pay him twenty bucks for a blue
light bulb, yeah, just because it's what it's going for.

Speaker 1 (12:37):
Knowing what it's going for exactly. And when that all
that whole thing first started, I remember you couldn't find
a blue light anyway, could not You couldn't find a
blue bulb anywhere. Everywhere you go sold out. And then
sometimes after that you would show up at let's fill
in the blank, and I'm just I don't know for
sure that they were one of them, but home, excuse me,

(12:58):
home Depot or Low's or what you would walk in
and there would be like a sign that said we
have blue light bulbs, like it would just just to
let you know. But that was I remember when all
that first started, and it was it was it was
pretty crazy, and you're right, that would be a great
way for them to.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Earn The first year they did it, I did. I
bought a black light bulb because when it lights up
it looked blue. I didn't buy them was actually blue.
So I felt kind of bad about that until I
saw it at night. I'm like, Okay, that looks blue.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
I'm good right, Well, and look, you were looking for him.
They were just out everywhere.

Speaker 2 (13:29):
Right, you couldn't. I ended up a little, you know,
mom and pop hardware store when I finally because I
went all at home, Depot and Low's and went out
to Walmart, could not find one that first year anywhere.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, absolutely,
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