Colin’s joined by Nick Wright, host of “First Things First” on FS1!
They start with the major breaking news that the Buss family has sold the Los Angeles Lakers at a $10 billion dollar valuation, and why it’s a massive positive for the Lakers to no longer be a mom & pop operation (3:00). They compare and rank the biggest brands in American sports (13:00), argue that star players under contract can do as much for a valuation as the brand’s legacy and explain why team valuations have skyrocketed in recent years (19:00).
They pivot to Caitlin Clark and debate whether the media is UNDERRATING her superstardom and how great she will become on the court (28:15). They break down OKC’s relentless defense, why it manages to be so effective in the absence of a truly dominant rim protector and why it would smother the greatest teams from earlier decades (38:00).
They discuss the lack of on-air chemistry between the broadcasters on the ESPN NBA broadcasts despite their high level of individual talent, and Colin lament the lack of highly produced features and packages on the broadcasts that make games feel like big events (55:00). Colin argues that when it comes to making live events feel huge, nobody does it better than UFC and Dana White (1:16:00).
Finally, they talk about how things are going for Colin in Chicago and Colin argues that the traffic is worse in Chicago than L.A. but Nick offers him some MAJOR pushback (1:20:00). They compare and contrast west coast versus east coast politics & culture and highlight which parts appeal to them (1:26:00).
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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get nick right for an hour and it's a news
breaking day. The Lakers just sold for a ten billion
dollar evaluation, which I believed for a long time. Nick,
all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars. My take is
if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
(01:32):
they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
if Google is going to be around in twenty years
or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
a story years and years ago they went back to
like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
on the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
one was still like a really it was like Chevron
(01:55):
or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
in LA is that. I mean, people forget little old
Van Gilbert could buy the Bus family four times. They've
been one of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
and I would argue that they haven't.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They have been one of the more poorly run organizations
in the league.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I know that's weird because they have the second
most championships and they just got Luke and Lebron went there.
But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
are very few things you can say the Lakers do
top notch in the league. And while they have been,
(02:53):
you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
(03:15):
hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
the Los Angeles Lakers for their fans. In my opinion,
you should not have They're in a weird spot. We're
similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should,
(03:37):
and that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
think A Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity,
and now he's in.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Now I agree agree with you.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
kind of like, that's a lot thing about this money.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So the the Celtics sold for six billion. The GDP
of Boston, the gross domestic product is six hundred million annually.
It's a trillion. In Los Angeles. The Los Angeles economy
would be the twentieth biggest economy in the world, meaning
it would be bigger than about one hundred and eighty
five countries. So and so, and they own the the
(04:35):
Lakers own their arena, so that's an importance. So like
you just if the arenas worth two billion, given where
it is in the real estate and whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So now it's not six versus ten. At six versus eight.
And you take the fact that LA's a bigger market,
and you know, as much as this will pain our
buddy Bill Simmons, the Lakers are the biggest brand ambasketball.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Like Celtics were in the finals two years ago, it
didn't get good rating, It didn't get a number D.
I mean when the Lakers are in the final, regardless
of who the star is, it generally gets a much
bigger rating. Well, yes, it's also true the Lakers have
never been in the finals without one of the biggest
stars in the laws of like, oh that Lakers time
(05:17):
they made the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No,
it's Lebron or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
But still your point stands.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, no, they are the the This is a fun
one because you did your mount what was it, Mount
just just more because they're just more than everyone else.
If we were to do God this is this is
corny and make funnable content it also I'm sure will
(05:49):
crush on TikTok or something. If we were to do
the Mount rushmore franchises in American Force.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Four.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
To me, there are three no brainers, and then people
would argue about the four fourth, but the three no
brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, and
the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you think
I'm missing anything there? I think those are the three
brands that are truly.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Every corner of the world.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They're you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt
even if they've never heard.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Of the team. Yeah, I think I will say this.
I think the LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group,
perfect spring, summer, fall weather, O tawny. Now is you
know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Dodger games are now an event.
(06:54):
There are fans from the Pacific rim. Every home game
owed attendance for the Dodgers is number one in the league.
They played the Yankees, I think it was last year
if I like twenty five percent of the crowd was
Dodger fans. They travel incredibly well. I think the Dodgers
over the last eight since they've been purchased from the
(07:16):
Mark Walters Group, I think they have become and I'm
and I mean this, I think they're a step ahead
of the Yankees. They don't have all the pennants, they
don't have all the titles. But this ownership group is
much more It's got deeper pockets. It's more aggressive. I
mean the way they are pushing contracts down the road.
(07:38):
They are a revolutionary fans, but they're not a bigger
brand than the New York Games. I think they're getting close.
I think Otawni changes it. I really do. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
whole similar to Iron stand why I think he brings
in the Pacific Round Like what yeah, like what Yao
Ming did for the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
We're all of a sudden, it's like you have this
whole new market. But if so, the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there. If Yankees, Cowboys,
Lakers is the three the teams across sports competing for
that fourth spot, Dodgers definitely are in the contention. The
Celtics are the Warriors, No, probably not, because that's good.
The Warriors are like the Chiefs in that it's the
(08:27):
super nova of the moment in Mahomes or Steph Curry,
but they don't have a history to where they're this
big brand. So do you think you think the Dodgers
now have surpassed the Cubs, Yes, as the second biggest
brands in base Yes, okay, because again, remember Chicago wanted
the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Why couldn't they get them? Because they were not considered
a global city. They were considered maybe are They're like,
Chicago has won Best North American City seven years in
a row from Conde nas Texture. It's an unbelievable city,
but it's not viewed as an international city. D C.
(09:06):
San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily
seen It's seen as kind of parential for prudential parochial.
So I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
which by the way, they live about five minutes from
where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
six thousand, Their revenues just don't. They're not close. They're
(09:29):
just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
they pull a big number for that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That might be right, and it also might be a
lot of the benefit of the Cubs win away or
benefits their own word, but brand recognition, for lack of
better term of the Cubs had to do with if
you're a millennial, when you were growing up with like
basic cable, for some reason, you got the Cubs games
(10:01):
because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
and the Cubs, and so they had that and now
people can watch whatever teams they want. I just saw
the who do you sorry for this slight detour, but
after the Cowboys, what do you think the biggest brand
in football is? Like I hesitate in the moment, it's
(10:21):
obviously the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired,
like's an interesting everyone if nobody cares if you bought.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The Chiefs today, well you would have to consider Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of the buye. So this idea,
well the brand, what is the brand right now? Jerry
Jones is eighty, They're dysfunctional, their roster's bad. There's value
to it. But Kansas City's got the best quarterback in
the league for the next ten years. So I mean
(10:50):
that when Lebron James went from the Miami Heat back
to Dan Gilbert in Cleveland, I talked to somebody in
that billion equity space. He said that was a four
hundred million, billion dollar day for Dan Gilbert, the Calves
without Lebron, even with Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron
changed that. It was a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally,
(11:14):
Ken Griffey saved baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy.
Taylor Swift's tour, an example, made two point one billion dollars,
sold ten million tickets. That is double the next biggest
tour ever. So it's only big because of one reason,
(11:35):
the artist. So if you count, I mean, let's be honest,
if you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and
Ronaldo had an eight year contract, it would make it
worth half a billion dollars more So, I think the
Chiefs with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half
of somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars.
They go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes. Well,
(11:58):
so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The other piece of this is if the if the
most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Worth is it fifteen billion?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Like? Honestly, like, what is if this is the new
Because you can't tell like as much as as big
of a brand as Lakers are. And I understand in
the NBA's new TV deal, I get all that there
is nothing that is the machine, that is the NFL.
So if the Lake, if we now have Lakers ten billion,
Celtic six billion, you know as the metrics, then the
(12:41):
if forget the Cowboys. I'm trying to think of a good,
you know, a good If the San Francisco forty nine ers, yeah,
were for sale, are they a ten billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I'll give you. I'll give you one that is undervalued.
Cronky owns Sofi Stadium. Well, yeah, the owning the stadium
is so if you bought the Rams, I get Sofi Stadium,
which can house a hundred concerts a year, and the
Chargers and the Rams. So you have to consider that
(13:18):
when you buy the Rams, so I would stay in
the number two market in the country. I get Sean McVeigh,
I get a well run operation, I get Sofi. I'm sorry,
but that's over ten billion dollars. I mean, if it's God,
it has to be just. It just has to be.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
If they now that the Lakers are worth ten the
biggest NFL brands have to be worth more, you know what,
It just it just has to be and to your point,
and then we can move on to other things.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just because this makes me laugh so much. The so
and I looked this up the other day. This is
why I have it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When David Glass bought the Royals, hold on the which
was it wasn't a lifetime ago because he sold him
for a billion dollars six years ago or whatever to
John Sherman. So, David Glass, by the way, this is
to your point that franchises at one point were undervalued.
(14:16):
And understand it's the Royals. I understand, it's small market,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's still one of thirty Major League Baseball teams, and
it's a team that has some history, had won a
World Series. He bought the Royals, not in nineteen fifty four.
He bought the Royals in two thousand and You're like,
how did David Glass get the money for buying the Royals,
And it's well, he was the CEO of Walmart, which
obviously is a high paying job, but usually like CEO,
(14:40):
is not high paying enough to buy professional sports team.
Except for the fact that in the year two thousand,
The Kansas City Royals were sold for ninety six million
dollars crazy, Like can you believe it? Like can you
believe it? Two thousand quarter century ago? A professional baseball team.
It's like, what's it worth? I don't know, certainly not
(15:03):
one hundred million. That's crazy, and like it's it is.
The Royals were sold for slightly more than Juan Soto
will make in a year. It's just banan and then
he sold it for a billion six years ago, and
now they're probably worth two just because like you're saying,
(15:26):
the price of these franchises. It's also why for the
cheap baseball owners, I've always been frustrated because they're like, well,
you know, you know, we don't have to make money,
but we can't be losing money. I'm like, man, the
money you are making is on the eventual cash out
in that you are going to ten x this with inevitability.
(15:51):
And the value of the sports team is the fact
that there are every super rich guy in the world
can buy a yacht, every super rich guy in the
world can buy the sick house and the fanciest cars,
all of it. The exclusivity of you want to you know,
(16:14):
sit courtside at the NBA games as the team owner.
You want to be in the luxury box as the
team owner. You know at a football game, Well there's
only thirty spots, or there's only thirty two spots.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
That's what people are paying for. Yeah, I've always thought
this stuff is undervalued. And that's not a shot. When
I talked about the Celtics going for six billion, I
think if I have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and
the best young GM arguably outside of Oklahoma City, and
Brad Stevens, that has to be considered. All of it's considered,
(16:47):
and it's I mean, a company's as valuable usually as
their technology and their people. And so when you have
you know, when you have stars in their prime, that
adds value to it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, right, right, but it is, but it is,
it's crazy and then we can move on how quick.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
When Balmer bought the clip yees ye, people freaked out
it was two billion, and I remember going on the
air saying, exactly right, it doesn't matter that he overpaid.
He paid cash, so it's a true two billion. Secondly,
he's never selling it, so it will be worth ten
billion in the future. He'll make five times the money.
(17:23):
And as long as it works on an operating level,
on a positive cash flows a dollar a year, it's
a steal at two billion dollars in the LA market.
And now you plan the same now now they built
their own arena now. But and also you have to
remember about Bomer. I read a story once about Steve
Baumer's net worth. He makes I swear to god, he
(17:47):
makes a billion dollars a year on his Microsoft dividends. Oh,
he's dividends. So it's like, guys if the idea that
these guys like Walters doesn't know what he's doing, like
they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, the and again it's just the the NBA franchise
values going like this this quickly, we're ten years ago
two billion for a team in the number two market
that at the time had stars.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, it's not like the Clippers were. That was
the lob City era.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And then a couple of years ago the Hornets sell
for three billion, and it like and now the and
the prestige franchises. Here's the other interesting angle to this.
Man Lebron has always said, I want to buy a team.
I'm gonna buy a team I'm gonna buy a team, man,
(18:46):
the expansion fee is going to be six billion dollars
like no matter. I know Lebron has done incredibly well
and all that, but like he doesn't have no billions
with a plural like.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean, the truth is, when Mark Cuban bought the Mavericks,
he only owned fifty one percent. So none of these
guys own all of it, right, Yeah, I mean it's
it's Elon Musk when he bought x or Twitter, he had,
he had Saudi money he had. Also, he didn't buy
all of it. He's not going to spend all his
forty four billion dollars. He didn't have forty four billion
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(19:22):
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aren't pay off their own What are you supposed to?
I mean, it's just when you can make nine percent
in the market and in your rates and your three
(19:43):
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Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, Caitlyn Clark obviously a huge story in the controversy
around it, and I was thinking about it. I was
pretty harder on than WNBA when Caitlin Clark came in,
and I thought, guys, you can't open up with a
New York Liberty and the Connecticut Sun. You want to
groove her into some wins, because remember she went from
the final four into camp into playing She and the WNBA,
(21:45):
they probably knew she would be good, they didn't think
she'd quite be this good, but it's getting to be
a little bit like MJ is that. And they've done
a better job this year. They had an easier schedule,
they've put the games on television, so that WNBA took
a lot of heat, a lot of heat. And Val Ackerman,
(22:05):
the Commissioner's like, Okay, we got ourselves a complete Taylor
Swift and tennis shoes rock star and they've done a
much better job this year. The officiating is not great,
but the league's now just starting to make real money now, right, Like,
so it's the officials maybe the last part, you know,
it's well, yeah, I wonder with that. And I don't know,
I'm not educated enough.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
On this about what the hierarchy of officiating is. But
obviously the best basketball officials in the world or in
the NBA want to officiate in the NBA. Let's just
I shouldn't say the world, just let's just do the US.
I assume the second best, like men's college basketball, Well yeah,
(22:45):
I would imagine the third best might be women's college basketball,
because up until recently that was a far bigger industry
than the WNBA, like so has the And again I
am just speculating here. But is the WNBA simply not
picking from the you know, the are the people who
(23:05):
are the best officials are like, well, it's way better
jobs in officiating than they flew.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They assume that's gonna be. They flew commercial airlines a
year ago. And yeah, I mean the NBA moved back
of that in like the eighties, So it's like it's
it's just a different ballgame. But but I was thinking
about this, most of the time, the media gets it
right when it predicts an all time star. In fact,
(23:31):
I would argue, and I think people listening to this
would push back that we undersold Tiger. Nobody thought Tiger
was going to have the lowest scoring average ever, was
going to have the tied for the most career wins ever,
has the greatest earnings ever. Nobody, not even Nike, would
(23:53):
have guessed that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
No, and within five years have the scoring record at
all four majors and the Tigers, you know, the Tigers, Yeah,
nothing else. You're right, Tiger was Tiger Lebron Serena Lebron.
I would argue all the all time grades that turned
into all time grades also actually kind of exceeded.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Expectations most of the time. I think Bryce Harper at
sixteen was considered arguably the baseball prospect ever. He's turned
out eight time All Star, two time National League MVP,
three hundred and forty home runs plus that is a
If you would have said that when he was sixteen
on Sports Illustrate he's gonna be an eight time All Star,
(24:34):
two time MVP, you'd be like, yeah, for the best
prospect ever that that that's that's in that elite class. Sure,
but I think Caitlyn Clark, Lebron and MJ I think
they're better. And I thought Caitlin was going to be good.
But Gino Arima, Yucom's coach came out and said, and
this guy knows basketball. He's the best recruiter in the
(24:55):
history of the sport. He's like, this idea is she's
going to walk into the WNBA and christ now. But
that was so here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
All the Yukon folks had, like the former the legendary
Yukon players who were then in media and then Gino,
they all kind of, in.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
My opinion, had a bias of man.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This was supposed to be what everyone was saying about
Paige Beckers a year ago, but page had blown out
her knee and she missed time and that and all
of that, and so they I think that they and
they also underestimated what a badass Clark was going to be.
And I think they also looked at it and said, well,
(25:41):
she's great and going to be great, but she's not
better than Brianna Stewart or Diana Torazzi, and they you know,
if they had a transition, she will do. And the
answer is she's a She is already one of the
four best players in the league.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Oh yeah, she is already.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
An absolute and I say this in the kindest words,
an asshole on the court, like the way you kind
of need to They don't need to be, but it's
something people historically like in their athletes, like a trash
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, a trash talker, you know, hard ass.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And she is already.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Impacting winning I think she has the best per game
plus minus in the league of everyone that's not on
the New.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
York Liberty and Liberty or just crossed ten years excepts.
So the quality of WNBA play in the last ten
years has improved more than any league anywhere. The players
are the nutrition's better, the strength is better, you go
YouTube and WNBA game ten years ago, they did not
pass like this. Candas Parker ten years ago led the
(26:52):
league in assists at five and a half a game
a game. Not only is Caitlin Clark the best shooter,
the best guard, the most influential, she's also dealing nine
assists per game. So what she's done is she's really
changed the tempo. She's doubling these all time assist numbers
(27:14):
were close to it, and giving you threes and shooting
nine feet beyond the arc. So, I mean, as much
as I liked her and I thought she would be
really good, I remember saying on the air, She's she's
gonna be really good, top ten player, really fast, I
didn't think she'd be this.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
No, I listen she I agree with you that I
do think she is, and in contributing to winning exceeding expectations,
I also think that and maybe eventually we'll get there.
But there so much in my I don't know what
you said on the air about this today because I
(27:51):
missed it, but so much of the social media pearl
clutching of basically we need to protect Caitlyn Clark, I
just think it's so.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Patronizing, and I also think it fails to recognize this is,
in my opinion, the best case scenario for the league.
The fact that she is has this swagger that there
and Brew made this point, and I thought it was
(28:25):
a really good one. The fact that yesterday's altercations primarily
happened with Caitlin against other white players was actually a
really nice thing because it removed any of the bullshit like,
oh the are the black players don't like it? No,
you know who doesn't like Kitlyn Larky, most of her opponents,
(28:45):
you know, you know who historically is not that popular
in sports. The young, awesome, swaggery, trash talking player. That
player usually has allies on their team and their fans.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Got Joe direct by doctor j everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
And so and so. That's awesome. Here's another thing that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
This is only gonna make Caitlin better and tougher and stronger.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The fact that it is hard and that like because
the idea, because some of Caitlyn's like, there's a real
lunatic fringe on the internet about this conversation. And I
hate doing in life. I don't actually really think both
sides are a problem. Very often in the Caitlin Clark thing,
it is both sides. It is people on both ends
(29:35):
of the spectrum are out of their minds, and the
biggest Caitlyn fans are like the leak. This is the
league's cash cow, and if they if they're not suspending
these other players, she could get hurt. Like, give me
a break. It was a light shove. She fell down.
She's gonna be fine. That fever are gonna be in
big games for a long time. It is she is
(29:59):
sustainable drawing eyeballs, and I do think it is. Note
while people pointed out correctly, oh man, when she was out,
the ratings dropped. The other piece of this is the
ratings dropped, but we're still higher than pre Caitlin Clark WNBA,
(30:19):
which means while yes, some people are just showing up
for her, some people showed up for her, and we're like, oh,
I like basketball, and this is a pretty good product
all stick around, even if she's not there. At least
some people did. It's the best thing imaginable for the league.
It's the best thing imaginable for her, and it is
for us, you know, here in hockey ended last night.
Basketball probably ends tomorrow in the NBA. It'll be nice
(30:43):
to have like a captivating sports story for the summer
other than baseball.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
One quick note on the NBA Finals that I don't
know why this popped into my head, but I was
watching just the relentlessness of okac's defense and how they
were just blocking every shot and creating turnovers, and I
thought to myself, I bet if you took the college
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basketball national champion, they could not score twenty points on
Oklahoma Cities defense. And I also thought this, if you
took the ewing John Starks, you know was Anthony Mason,
Charles Oaklean Knicks, they don't score forty points in a game,
and you think I'm crazy. They were held at the
(31:36):
seventies by the Pacers. If you don't have four ball
handlers against OKC, you are ft. That's why when Halliburton's hurt,
it's over, the series is over. Is their defense. Their
perimeter pressure picking up the ball at half court they
don't even need to trap, is so intense that the
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only way to beat them is to try try and
spread the floor, have multiple three shooters, or have a
kind of transformational Halliburton, Turkey, Jerky Long weird stop start guy.
This defense. If you would have put Oklahoma City's defense
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against a Magic we all know players are now more skilled.
They I mean, seven foot guys now handle the ball
and shoot three. Nobody the Knicks never had a jump shooter,
a consistent Starks was an inconsttent jump shooter. No Starks
was an undrafted play. If you put Oklahoma City including
Jordan's team, if you put Oklahoma City in that era,
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I'm not saying they beat him. They would be holding
teams Michael's teams to the seventy point range. They don't
have enough shooters and ball handlers back then. Well so
they are.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I don't think this Oklahoma City team is like one
of the three or four best defenses in the history
of the league's defense.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's really unique.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Exactly what I was going to say, crazy, but almost
all of those teams that you consider the best defense
has ever had as a common denominator a dominant rim protector. Right,
so people bring up like, oh, the four Pistons defense,
you had four time defensive Play of the Year Ben Wallace.
They you know, the eight Celtics not an all time defense,
(33:25):
but a really good defense. You had Kevin Garnett down
low and I'm not acting, listen. Chet does a good
job and Hartenstein does a good job. But they are
a great defense. That is because of what it does
to you on the perimeter. And the team that it
does remind me of is the nineties Bulls, the second
three people Bulls who did not have a dominant rim protector.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
What they did have.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Was Pippen and Rodman and Michael who could just swarm
you and get to you, like make it it's so
hard to get across half court, yeah, and trap you
and those things. And so that's what's so unique and
special about this team, and it is the fact that
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the guys who come off the bench for them are
It's such an interesting and I think smart thing Pressty did,
which is most teams like their seventh or their eighth man.
It's a guy like campaign who he's on your team
because hey, he might be able to hit a couple threes,
(34:35):
he might give us a burst of offense.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And Presty was like, you know what, We're gonna have
enough offense.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
What if the guys we have who come off the
bench are just more. They are defense, not only but
mostly guys, and so that way you never get a breath.
You are just for forty eight minutes. If you're a
perimeter player on the other team, brutal, your night sucks
because it goes from Dort to Crusoe to Wiggins.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And that is my point. They wouldn't beat the Bulls,
but they are so uniquely built to stop the seventies,
eighties nineties era where your forwards and centers couldn't handle
the ball. They would be just in they would be
I mean again, Michael was never a great ball handler.
He wasn't and Pippen what Pippen was great in transition,
(35:25):
Kobe was a better ball handler than Michael. And so
I'm not saying Michael and those guys wouldn't win. Michael
wouldn't score. But this team more than any defaults.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh, it'd be it would those games would be like
Bulls seventy eight, you know, Okaz seventy It would be yeah, oh,
it would be like what what you're just It would
be like what a lot of the Knicks heat playoff
games in the nineties looked like. Where it's like going
into the fourth sixty one to fifty eight, like, for real.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
No question, I'm not even knocking it. I grew up
on that basket.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, and but that that's what it was, and that
was for different reasons. But uh, but yeah, I am.
I am really And one thing that I have been,
I'll admit it shocked by. I was shocked by Jalen
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Williams scoring forty in a finals game. Like in the
history of the NBA colin number two options to score
forty in a finals game. Kyrie did it twice, Chris
Middleton did it oddly, and gosh darn it, there was
one other one that now I can't remember, James Worthy
(36:44):
did it, but James Worthy did in the game Magic
was out injured. For Kobe scored forty in a finals
game once his whole career, and it was in nine
so it wasn't when he was the number two option
to shock a guy as the second option. Only thirty
people ever have scored forty in a finals game. Yeah,
and twenty five of them are some of the greatest
players you've ever seen. And so for Jalen Williams to
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do that in a game that Chase still had thirty,
that was that was remarkable. And it made you think
about what this team is going to be long term.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
And both his parents were in the military. Named the
last athlete who had both parents in the military. I
got Jaylen Williams Santa Clara. I think I looked it
up online. But when I watch his game, you know
what I see? I see parenting grinding. Literally it's seven
a game at Santa Clara eleven eighteen, fourteen eighteen. You
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can see the time he's put in the gym. You
can see his discipline. He has the I said this
today to j Mack. He's a better offensive player now
than Scottie Pippen. His you can sh to be a
good shoot react.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's been his career high in the in the playoffs
with on the Bulls was thirty two yea his career.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I covered him important. I never trusted him on jump
shots ever. Sure Jalen Williams. When I see a player,
you see this with Lebron. They can go to his
off hand off the glass with touch over Miles Turner,
do you know how long you have to work at
that in the gym? I mean, do you know it's
(38:23):
one thing if some guys some you know a lot
of bigs. They work on their low post games the
Pete Nole camps when I was a kid growing up.
But when I see perimeter players, the first sign of
guys put a lot of time in the gym is
often when they played bigger than their size. Dwayne Wade
Jalen Williams is six'. Five he plays like he's sixty
eight and a. Half he plays incredibly. Big that is
(38:43):
discipline that dude is Put and if you look at
all his you, know the last thing he got good
at in basketball, Scoring yeah he was good. At, yeah he,
defended he, rebounded he could handle the. Ball LIKE i
went back AND i looked at his, Career i'm, like
the last thing he got good at was. Scoring and
that tells you his. Mindset it wasn't about what the bag.
(39:03):
Is his mindset was be a great basketball. Player, no
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Unbelievable and, this if there was any like that forty
Point finals game was a quarter of a billion dollar
game for. Him not that he wasn't going to get
a ton of, money but now in two weeks he's
going to get the. Max he'll get five, years two
fifty and he'll just be like and the resigned. Chat
(39:28):
he's gonna get the. Max shay's going to get a
contract that's gonna make, You by the.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Way you're not gonna have any. Bench there's no way
you can afford no.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Bench, well but that's why you're not going to Have
you're not gonna have a bench of second contract. Guys
but that's why where Prest he's been good is they
still have all those extra.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Picks so what your bench is.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Gonna be guys you draft that are on their rookie,
deals you know WHAT i, mean and that you cycle
through a cent and that's, Sharp like that's the only
way you can do it IN. Okac but you know'
that'll what that'll make you. Do and this is not
a bad. Thing he will draft older college. Players he
wants guys that can come in and play. Immediately he
(40:13):
doesn't need because all his guys are.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Young So presty's gonna draft Like villanova guy or guy
that's been three Year like that's the way you do
it now is is, okay let's we need a two
year college starter who can come in and give us
thirteen minutes off the bench as a rookie.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And so and so he's but they Are, Listen i've
said this to you and we can leave it at.
This every time for the last five, years when a
team's won a, title people have been, like, well they're
about to win a bunch of, titles and every time
that team has gotten clipped in round two or earlier
the next. Year So i'm not like the dynasty's. STUFF
(40:50):
i think we get TO i don't think we are
in a dynasty. ERA i do think that if The
Oklahoma city ownership is willing to do something that wasn't
willing to do fifteen years ago and pay a, price
they are incredibly well set up with shaving twenty, six
About turn twenty, seven with, jail With jadub And chat
(41:13):
both in year three this, year and that's just going
to be their team and we'll see how long they
can run.
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Topic AND i don't do this a. Lot LIKE i
don't talk about other. ANNOUNCERS i just. DON'T i don't
get into. IT i don't. CARE i think it's hard to.
DO i do, Sometimes, YEAH i, don't BUT i will
talk about. This is THAT i THINK i can say
this because of My Sports nation. Days i've had multiple
co hosts on The. HERD i think not That i'm
(43:35):
exclusively or even primarily qualified to talk about, it BUT
i Think i've earned the right to talk about, chemistry
not talent. CHEMISTRY i don't like the chemistry on THE
ESPN nba. Broadcast it's not the, people it's the. Chemistry
as you, know there's a Reason mike And tony have
(43:56):
been a hit show for twenty five years or. Plus
their chemistry is A there is a Reason buck And
aikman Went fox TO espn. Together they have tremendous. Chemistry
madden in summer. All it's really really hard being. Talented
look at, you you worked for. Years the chemistry on
(44:17):
your show beyond. Talent the chemistry is really what makes the.
Show Jeff Van, Gunny Mark jackson And breen had remarkable.
Chemistry and for twenty four years or however long ESPN's
had THE, nba they have struggled with pregame, shows postgame.
Shows the perfect, pairing and they had it and then
(44:39):
they blew it. Up my guess is That Van gundy
could be critical of the. League there Was David stern
from time to time pushback on critical interviews By Bob
costas or others which needed to be. Done and this
is one thing THAT i wonder about THE. Nba don't
(45:00):
think broadcasting crews change, ratings but as now THE nba
moves to other, NETWORKS i am really interested to see
it At amazon and see it AT nbc BECAUSE espn
does a lot very very. Well in my, OPINION i
think they're so good at The Little League World, Series Sports,
(45:20):
center THE Nfl, Draft Scott Van Pelt, Show mike And,
tony they're just a lot of really talented people. There
at a college game, day there's just they've just built,
really really solid foundational pieces of. BROADCASTING i have great.
ADMIRATION i do not think they've been good with THE. Nba,
NOW i Think Mike brains as good as, anybody Including
(45:45):
Marv Albert i've ever heard of, basketball BUT i think
for twenty years AND i don't do, THIS i think
they've underproduced and under delivered with THE. Nba so all,
right SO i.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Am it seems like a much bigger fan of the
actual booth That, Brien doris AND rj than you are
and maybe other people. ARE i know there have been
reports about THE espn once again changing that you, KNOW i,
mean they they one of if it's very. Interesting reportedly
(46:18):
one of the reasons they initially shook Up Mark jackson
And jeff Van gundy was because they didn't like the
fact THAT i think it Was, mark maybe it Was,
jeff BUT i think it Was mark was always like
his name was in coaching, searches and they were, like,
no you, know we don't want you flirting with other.
Jobs and then the two, guys they brought in one
guy In Doc rivers to replace, him and then during
(46:43):
the season he took a, job and then they put
IN jj and THEN jj right after the season he
took a, job and so they've obviously moved it around a.
LOT i UNDER i do understand that any. Group AND
i don't remember the first year of Bringing Van gundy And,
jackson But i'm sure it wasn't as good as the fifth,
(47:05):
year the tenth year and hand, down man, down And,
mama there goes that man and those. Guys and for,
me the best broadcast crew ever was growing up With
Steve Snapper jones And Bill walton WHEN i was a
little kid ON nbc because of the chemistry between, them
and the chemistry between them was actually it seemed Like
(47:25):
Steve Snapper jones wanted to Kill Bill walton every single, day.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
And so it was like it was.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Great SO i am far less critical of the actual
game like the play by play color commentary than any
think others BECAUSE i actually like. IT i also, am,
REALLY i, think fairly critical Of reggie on the TN t.
Broadcast SO i think THE espn actual play by play
(47:49):
in color is. Good the overall presentation of, everything, THOUGH
i think it is totally fair to, criticize AND i
think it is totally fair when people say you need
to show me with how you present, this that this
(48:11):
is a big deal and the lack of pageantry as you,
know it's like, this AND i, know, listen how about.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
This why DON'T i know? More why pregame? Postgame remember
Rune arledge on The, olympics up close and, Personal, LIKE
i want to know the players. MORE i want TO
i want cameras in their. HOUSE i want to go
deep on the, players not just this superfluous eight second.
(48:42):
Halftime and by the, way, no, yeah there have been
fifteen different halftime pregame post. GAME a couple of years,
ago they didn't. Talk it was a series of. Commercials
And i'm, like this is not a criticism of the
company or the. INDIVIDUALS i know the guy that directs.
It he's a great, guy gone out of dinner few,
Times anne AND i with his. Wife great. Guy BUT
(49:03):
i just THINK i, thought before Bucking, AIKMAN espn underserved THE,
nfl and so did THE. NFL i Think, FOX, NBC
cbs thing could seem like a big, deal like the.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Deal so that's so All, Again i'm gonna sound like
a company man here AND i don't mean, to But
i'll just use a company man and self serving kind
of a double dip of.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Annoying i'll be for a.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Moment did did sending first things first to THE nd
five hundred draw you, know more people to watch THE
nd five?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
HUNDRED i don't.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Know MAYBE i saw the number and it was like
whatever it, was it was like an e it was
call it eight. MILLION i have no idea what the nunnumber,
was BUT i know at the end of it there
was fifty. Thousand it was like eight million fifty thousand
or four million fifty, Thousand AND i joke The wild
And broom, like hey that fifty.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Thousand that was a like we did like THE i
don't know if it actually drove.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Audience they made it feel, big, correct it made it
was a signal that, hey you know WHAT i, mean
we are we're sending a show that never Talks Indy
brady or Or indy, Right we're gonna make it feel
big an. Event AND i think so WHEN i SAW
(50:26):
i don't know if it's AN nbc Or amazon whichever
one just, Announced hey guess who's gonna be part of
our basketball?
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Coverage Michael. JORDAN i know.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Some people are gonna are, like, like, well how much
did you spend on that and, like is that gonna
actually draw more? People it will make it feel. Important
and so LIKE i do when people When twitter, says you,
know why are their pregame introductions when they haven't shown,
those by the, way in twelve, Years but all of a,
(50:55):
sudden and it's like where'd the trophy go on the
floor and the final. Script it's little Things and here's
Where i'm. Surprised THE nba drops the ball a. Bit
they clearly think some of those things matter because they
do them for the fucking commission The. Cup like the they're, like,
OH i know this is an in season tournament game
(51:16):
because the court's different like, This so they're, like we're
gonna key for the. Audience this is important for the
for The Commissioner's cup and THE Nba. Finals it looks
like a regular like so that's those types of things
they could do. Better the other thing, is and this,
was you, know, famously you, know this was one of
(51:38):
our Pal Bill simmons' biggest you know frustrations when he
was part of the, pregame halftime post game is there's
just so much they use that and, Listen i'm not
a businessman And i'm sure it's smart. Business it's about
commercial inventory load for the halftime show in. Particular, okay
so that's that's totally. Fine if you've like, crunched that's
(52:00):
the way do. It but IT'S i would, say if
that's going to be the case instead of having four
people give forty second, opinions then that's the spot For,
hey here's a really really well produced four minute.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Feature, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Know a special interest or a personal interest or whatever it.
Is AND i also again i'm you, Know i'm A
bob Costas. STAN i met him WHEN i was twelve years.
Old he was incredibly kind to. ME i think he's
the goat broadcaster as far as all, things BUT i
miss the like many essays that he would give in
(52:44):
the lead up to a finals, game where he's like
setting the table for the stakes of the. Event and so,
YEAH i do think that that type of thing could
be done. Better AND i also think THAT i DO
i think there is real value two for the finals
(53:08):
for your major, events for your major, contributors for that
to be their signature.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Event and by THAT i, mean, like so you brought
Up scott Van.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Pelt scott Van, pelt you, know does an amazing job
on his. Show he also has a signature, event which
is the the golf he does FOR, Espn, right and
it's like that's that's his. Thing each year is the
major tournament ON. Espn they're the majors ON. ESPN i
(53:43):
think that if, you're if you, are and this isn't
BECAUSE i have, recently you, KNOW i think, fairly you,
know TAKE i don't, Know i've taken some shots are
the right, word but voice my frustration with some of
the things Steven a has. Done this is not about
Steven a, individually but if you use Steven a for
(54:05):
all of your big, stuff then it if everything is why.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Special right its? It it's why Former President obama will
not endorse Every democratic candidate or will not run to a.
Microphone he doesn't want to dilute his. Opinion he is
he is the most Popular, democrat and his take is
always everybody's, like Where's? Obama, well he doesn't want to
latch himself onto the, crazy lunatic fringe wing of the.
(54:32):
Left he's not going to endorse losing. Candidates and you
can't have an opinion on every Time trump offends, you
because he offends you seven times a, day so he
makes it a two to three time a year strong.
Opinion AND i think That and this is, AGAIN I STEVEN.
A smith's a. FRIEND i text him reasonably regularly. Regularly
(54:53):
that's not, it and this is not in any. Way
i'm not harboring ever any resentment OF. ESPN i have friends.
THERE i really respect. IT i really. DO i talk
to people there all the. Time BUT i do think
they make THE Sec championship feel like the f And Super.
Bowl if you're Watching fowler.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
And herbstreet, Right i'm talking about No saban, McAfee Herb,
street it feels big in THE. Nba it's like you
had a great, crew you blew it, out the chemistry
with this is your halftime, shows Musical.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Chairs it just doesn't feel big. Enough AND i don't
think this about them. Often that's back to my initial
point WHY i want to See amazon IN. Nbc i'm
fascinated to see their presentation BECAUSE i think THAT i
THINK nbc has a History, Olympics Sunday Night. Football NBC's
(55:50):
always made things feel big in my, lifetime AND i
think they're going to Make Jordan is a CLASSIC nbc.
Move Is i'm turn. In i'm gonna Watch, jordan of,
course of.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Course and it's in a very fractured attention. Economy, yeah
making things feel like events is so wildly, important and
a lot of that really is to do with.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Again the, fluff the, pageantry the all all that.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Stuff AND i think your point about THE Sec championship
is a great. One it's obviously it's obvious that they
can do, this and they can do it very, well
oh my. God and they understand the importance of it
by the fact that they paid whatever they paid to
Get Bucking, akman Because Bucking, akman it was like that
stamps us as as.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
We are taking this.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Seriously we have these two super respected, voices.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
And so it is. Odd it just it's odd that
they have been a little adrift on. This, yeah, no
and and and. AGAIN I i've always Thought Game day
AND Sec. CHAMPIONSHIPS i, MEAN i THINK espn makes The
Little League World series feel. Gigantic AND i THINK i
(57:19):
TOLD i told Her Eric shanks WHEN i first. Came he,
said what would you take if you could take anything FROM?
Espn AND i, said the draft would hurt their. Soul
AND i want a couple of weeks off In, august
go get The Little League World. Series that'd be perfect for.
You uh, yeah that'd be really.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Good that's a fun, one did You you know this
IS i keep sidebarring your, podcast but this would be
a fun podcast to do.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
A draft, of like the coolest events to.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Broadcast we don't have to do it right, now but
like down the road like that and the other the you.
Mentioned you, know our biggest, Boss Eric. SHANKS i don't
know If Michael molvahill, is like are one of our,
bosses but he's certainly one of the smartest people at the.
Company he's been on your podcast or on YOUR tv.
Show The draft that they do an actual draft of
(58:18):
college football games that the different.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Networks it is.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Fascinating not only not only DO i want to one
day be in the room for it, Again i'm not
going to ruffle any feathers. Here i'm a little offended
that no one wants has been, like, Hey, nick you
gotta you gotta mock you want to send, Over like
we'd love to pick your brain on, It like if
there's anybody that can FIVE d chess the rating and
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the window and the weather and all of. It LIKE
i Fellas i'm, available just another another brain in the
room for you if you want.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
It like that would be.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
So and if you don't know What i'm talking about
the different, networks it's, like, okay with the first, pick
and AGAIN i Don't tenant's Always Ohio, State, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Ohio, State. Michigan and then who has the second? Pick
and that's.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
How that's how for the games that could go to different,
networks they have an actual draft and a couple of
years AGO i.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
Know it Like fox traded a.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Pick, Yeah they're, like we'll trade you the third pick
for like the eighth and the. Ninth it's super. Fascinating
that is super.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
FUN i will say in terms of big, EVENTS i
go to about FOUR ufc fights a. Year and that's
Why Dana, white among other, things Brings. Trump he wants
it to feel, big he gets a, reaction it makes the,
news it's it's all over cable. Television so like him or,
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not it's. SMART i think THE, ufc of all the
Events i've been in My i've been to in my,
Life i've Been i've been to everything except The Kentucky,
derby and that's just been a time. ISSUE i Just
i'm always doing something at that time of the. Year
THE ufc does a great job on. SITE i so
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every TIME i go to A ufc, FIGHT i take
a new friend to introduce him to the. Sport all
of them are, like CAN i come again to? This
can you get more? Tickets dana's always understood the value of.
That that and and and there was a. Run not
that they're in a slump, now but Without connor And John,
jones there's always great For they don't have. It they
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don't have a megastar right, now they don't have a cross,
sad but it's such a well run company and. Event
it's like wrestling right now you get you get a
whole cogan once every fifteen, years, right you just. Don't
and SO wwe, Similarly roman reins you, know he was
he was, Good he looked the. Part but for a
WHILE i don't think they felt Like Roman reigns was quite, it,
(01:00:48):
Right So nick conn And Dana, white that's. Right So
Nick conn and and AND i mean And Dana, white
you YOU i don't care how well you're. Running both
THE wwe AND ufc are brilliantly run. SOMETIMES i, mean
who could have guessed The rock would have been the
biggest star In. Hollywood. Right some of it's just you,
know crazy. Luck, so BUT i think THE ufc does
(01:01:12):
A i mean every TIME i go to THE ufc,
fight never not had AN a plus plus plus. Time
love the, environment love the, people, everybody and it's cool
because You're i'm sitting by a. LISTERS i get good
c's and they're all ON t shirts and. Jeans nobody's,
precious Nobody's so the thing THAT i and this IS.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I have.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Never been To that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
TRUE i went to A ufc fight WHEN i was a,
teenager like when the company was kind of in its.
Infancy uh THAT i think In Atlantic. CITY i don't
even remember WHY i was, There but as an, Adult
i've never. Been and the other, thing And i'd love,
To and the this is me, saying you, Know i'm
(01:02:00):
one of those friends you should invite basically if you
can't pick up on. It the other the other thing.
Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
IS I i would Love now THAT i make decent,
MONEY i would love to have six seats to a
big boxing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Match So i've been. To i've been to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
BOXING ufc is better than boxing BECAUSE I i'll tell you.
Why because you can GET i went TO i went
to Seven pacquiel, fights AND i went To Haggler, hearns
AND i went To tyson a lot Of, tysons but
the undercard nobody gave a shit. About since the women's
division has, exploded, WELL ufc will be a, better a
(01:02:40):
better four, hours there's no doubt about, it because you
have a bunch of fights on fights on. FIGHTS i
still a huge boxing match to me is still as
cool of a thing as there is in. Sports there
aren't many of them these, days but like six seats
to a big time, fight be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Sick but.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
There it's also that's Another East coast coast thing where
so much of it disproportionately is In. Vegas it's so
much easier if you're IN la to shoot up To
vegas than if you're In New. YORK i am In
vegas pretty, often, though SO i GUESS i could.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Go, YEAH i never outside of THE. Us only thing
that gets me To vegas IS, ufc AND i go.
THERE i fly in by four times a. YEAR i love.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It it's harder for you now now that you're In,
chicago and oh it's not how's that?
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Going? OH i Love. Chicago IT'S i mean the weather's you,
know you get lightning storms right, now, humidity and you
have weather. Here you don't have weather IN. La you
have weather, here but you're still liking it's still taking the. Train,
OH i love. IT i love. It the, traffic by the,
way this is just my. Take traffic's worse In chicago THAN.
(01:03:43):
La and it's not close because, yeah the north suburbs
into the city and downtown to the airport is worse
than ANYTHING la. Produces oh hold, ON i have to
push back on you. First ad you are as the
kids would say right. Now now your privilege is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Showing you are only saying that because of where you
lived IN la in relation to where you worked and
where you would go if you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Like for, you the traffic IN.
Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
La you lived on close to the beach and you
worked In WEST, la so you avoid you never got.
Snarled you were never, like, oh, Man i'm coming from the.
Valley i've got to go through. Downtown now you live
in a, nice cushy. Suburb if you're coming into the, City,
(01:04:33):
yeah you're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
It you're in, it, Buddy you're in.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
It i'm in The but it's similar Like manhattan WHERE
i live is Very people talk About New york, traffic
BUT i don't think they totally. Understand LIKE i live In,
harlem which Is Upper, manhattan AND i work In midtown
and it takes me eighteen minutes during rush hour twenty
(01:05:03):
eight minutes worked to home or home to. Work and
it's not because traffic In manhattan's not. That it's because
the worst traffic In manhattan is not going north.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
South it's going.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Across it's going east west from the east side of
The west, side of the west side of The East,
side or It's Lower manhattan Where Wall street And soho
and all those places. Are that's where you can be
just taking an hour to go two. Blocks and so
it's very for me, personally traffic's no problem at.
Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
All for a lot of, people it's a huge part
of their.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Life of you now In chicago are dealing with, it
But AND's loving.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It, YEAH i, mean It's CHICAGO'S i Think Conde nast
has said. It DID i say this? Earlier it's the
best city In North america seven straight. YEARS i read
a piece In The New York times. Yesterday they were
talking about mayoral candidates and The New York times Acknowledged
New york's not the. Same it's. Declining build De blacio
(01:05:58):
was a really bad, MAYOR k through twelve. Regressed there's
a sense the schools aren't as. STRONG i have a
friend that goes there on a twice a month, basis
and he said it smells like pot everywhere. Everywhere, well that, part.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
LISTEN i think THE i think the downfall Of New
York city is greatly. OVERSTATED i also think The New
York times what they've done in this mayoral election is
a little. Cowardly but we don't have to get into.
It nobody cares about my thoughts on The New york mayoral,
race or maybeople, do but this isn't the platform for.
Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
It what is true, is, yeah it does smell like
weed every. Everywhere that, part that, part that part is.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Undeniable and what's also true is as a guy who
doesn't smoke weed but does occasionally like to bumb a
cigarette from somebody BECAUSE i don't like to buy, cigarettes
but you, know OCCASIONALLY i like to smoke a. Cigarette
it is maddening to walk outside and to walk a
(01:07:06):
few blocks and come across a dozen people smoking and
not a single one of them are smoking. Cigarettes i'm,
like there's no one to bum a cigarette. FROM i
could easily, ask CAN i hit your? Joint but there's
no one to bumb a cigarette from these. Days so
that part the fact that the idea that the city
(01:07:26):
smells like, weed that bart's.
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
True And i'm very smell. Influence i'm weather and smell.
INFLUENCE i some people smell really affects, me LIKE i
don't like to be in Places i'm very sensitive to the. Weed,
listen the.
Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
True legalization in marijuana, HERE i don't know if it's
had many, actual like negative impacts on this on society
Or i'll be blacked or anything like.
Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
That it certainly is true that it smells like weed.
Off that's that's not and that would it's not. Deniable
that would drive me crazy because Downtown chicago, DOESN'T la.
DOESN'T i was In boston. Recently boston. Doesn't i'm trying
to think of the LAST i, MEAN i haven't been
To New york in two, years BUT i have. Heard
it's just at times it's just, listen there is a
(01:08:16):
lot of people smoking with that part is and there's
garbage on the streets In New. York In.
Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Chicago they put, It now we've been the, case so
now we just got. Bins we just got, bins a
new thing In New.
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
York we just got. Bins so.
Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
The, again nobody really cares about my take.
Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
On New york.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
MAYORS i will tell YOU i don't think the one
we have right now is that great one.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Thing it seems like he did a decent job on of.
Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
IS i don't think he was really good at corruption
and getting rid of rats and so and and by
WHEN i say good at, CORUPTION i don't mean like
rooting out. CORRUPTION i mean like he's skilled at. Corruption
but also he got rid of.
Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Rats that was. Good you know IT'S i joked WHEN
i people THINK la Is Looney. Tunes but WHEN i
was AND i remember, moving there's always been a reputation,
that you, KNOW la is hippies and crazy and drugs and,
uh you, know unethical behavior and. AFFAIRS i never forget
moving out. East the governor Of connecticut got thrown out
(01:09:20):
of office for building a hot tub on state. Money
there Was Elliot, spitzer The New jersey governor got run
out of office for a controversial. Relationship it was an
s show politics In New, York connecticut And jersey were
just an, insane unethical.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Warright now one of the guy who's probably going to,
win uh corporate probably is going to win the race
For Aris, cuomo.
Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Who was the.
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Governor, yeah but he got he got run, Out, uh you,
know not exactly in.
Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Glory, Yeah AND i do think multiple.
Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
AFFAIRS i do think the long Time United States senator
From New jersey just yesterday started in eleven year prison. Sentence,
yeah because when The feds raided his, house he had
literal gold. BARS i gotta tell you that's kind of.
Awesome like not the not the, bribes BUT i do
(01:10:19):
think that like if of all the stores of value
one could, have IF i IF i went to someone's
house and they're, like, hey here's my flash drive of,
Crypto i'm, like, okay you go to someone's house and they're.
Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Like, hey here's my gold. Bars i'm like that's, Sick
like that is like the gold the gold the gold.
Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Bars being how AM i going to hide this? Bribe
what IF i just take it in gold? Bars that's pretty.
Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Awesome, well it's just interesting because as somebody that now
lives who grew up in The West, coast traveled a
decade in The East. Coast now live in The. MIDWEST
i lived in all four. Corners now That i've lived
in everywhere in the, country The, midwest the corners, everywhere
is that it was. Interesting the perception Of la was
just hippies and everything was a p diddy. Party the
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corruption in The northeast politics is there's nothing like. It
it is. Wild AND i Think i've said this. Before
The northeast is really. Intense Like chicago's a big city
and they've had corruption in. Politics but people, here like
in the northern part of, town it's all golf. Courses
(01:11:29):
it's very. Recreational you have a beach on the. City
In New. York even to go to The hamptons is.
Hard New york it's a grind and what that grind
hurts what the grind. Creates work, hard play. Hard and
In New york there's a SENSE i have a harder.
Life the, weather the, taxes the, rent the, intensity the.
(01:11:53):
Competition i'm going to reward myself for, that and it
often becomes bad. Behavior think about The West. Coast seattle's
on the, Water San francisco's on the, Water San diego's
on the, Water LA's on the. Water you can work
sixty hours a. Week you're on the.
Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Beach like, well so that's our Mutual one of the
one of the thought smartest Things i've heard about The
New york IN la was from our mutual Friend, maverick
who lives IN la and he's from The. Midwest has, lived,
yeah has lived in, it lived a bunch of, places
but seems.
Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
To really LOVE.
Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
La and he said to, Me he's, like there's No
sundays In New.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
York And i'm, like what do you.
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Mean he's, like IN, la On, sunday if you didn't
know what day of the week it, was but you
woke up and you looked outside and you, listened you
Can sunday just feels and sounds.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Different it's, quieter there's less going. On It's.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Sunday he's, like there's No sunday In New. York he's,
like you you wake up up In New york and
you look. Outside every day is. Intense you know WHAT i,
Mean it's. Intense AND i was, like, oh that's, like
that's a very interesting BUT i think smart way to put,
it and that is.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
True BUT i HAVE i.
Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
LISTEN i went here's the Places i've lived zero to
eighteen years, Old Kansas city eighteen to twenty, Two syracuse
for college twenty two to twenty, seven back To Kansas
city twenty seven to thirty, two thirty One, houston thirty
(01:13:37):
one to thirty, TWO, la and thirty two to Forty New.
Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
YORK.
Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I WHEN i first moved, HERE i did not like.
IT i felt overwhelmed by. Choice it was, like there's
so many, options there's, nothing there's so much, new there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
To do whatever it.
Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
IS i now feel, like having lived here for as
long AS i, have there are very very few cities
in the WORLD i could ever live again Because i've.
Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Become so spoiled by.
Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
The, food, theater, culture event options that, LIKE i think
in THE, US i could live In la Or, vegas Maybe,
miami But miami would have to be like for retirement
(01:14:34):
and anywhere like ELSE i.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Go it just feels a LITTLE i don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Slow now maybe Again i'm forty And i'm in the
midst of like the grind of my. Career maybe When
i'm Fifty i'll be, like, MAN i WANT i want something, different,
slower you know WHAT i? Mean, Whatever but after A
midwest kid that never thought he live In New. YORK
(01:15:01):
i now feel like this is probably where you, KNOW
i could live for a very very long. Time.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
YEAH i going back to what you, said you felt,
overwhelmed and What Maverick harter, said there is No. Sunday
that is at the heart of Why i've always theorized
there are more affairs In northeast. Politics there is no
stepping off the. Treadmill the richest people In, California let's
(01:15:28):
go To. Monasita it's a one hour drive up the.
Road there's all every. Time it's. Amazing how often Like,
hollywood how often do you? Work you have a movie a?
Year like the industry In New york is, Paper Wall,
street venture. Capitalism it's art IN La it's all art and.
(01:15:50):
Creation that's a more joyful experience than trading. PAPER i,
mean think About West Palm. Beach is the richest area
in The, hamptons or the richest area is kind of
in The East. Coast the people that live there, litigation
the biggest. Attorneys they're fighting, constantly and you're On Wall
street without intensity and. Clients the richest people on The
(01:16:11):
West coast can live In Beverly. Hills they're in. Entertainment
they're they're IN i Mean, netflix and you, know like like.
Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
A lot of what it, IS a lot of the
other group is tech in the.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Silicon that's. Creation that's a more joyful experience than fighting
people in court or. Fight So i've always, said a
fifty five year old In New york looks fifty. Nine
a fifty five year old guy IN la looks. Fifty
and there's a nine ten year swing. There In New.
York the more money you, make you buy a nicer.
(01:16:48):
Tie IN, la once you make, money you no longer
have to wear a. Tie it's a different, culture a
life when you're that's a great coward. Line when you're
rich IN. La you don't See Bob iger wearing a.
Tie you don't See Steve balmer wearing a. Tie Donald
trump always wore a. Tie Mike bloomberg always wears a.
Tie it's a different. Culture it's way more.
Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Intense, yeah well that ain't good for, me, buddy BECAUSE
i LOOKED i didn't look exactly great BEFORE i moved
To New.
Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
York now you're, saying you, KNOW i, SAID I i talked.
Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
For the first time, EVER i talked To i'd never
talked to him in, like actually we texted or. DMed
BUT i was on With levatar today and on the
show with him Was tony Really And i'd never talked To.
Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
TONY i had.
Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
ALWAYS i had, always you, know kind of admired him
From afar and one of THE i Gave tony a
very big compliment about kind of his running around the.
Horn but THEN i told, HIM i was, like with
all that, SAID i fervently believe that IF i had
gone through my, end because, oh this is what it,
(01:17:59):
was because he is a very positive person and kind
of exudes, positivity and they were giving me a hard
time for being a little more i don't, know jaded
or negative certain. Things AND i said to, Reality i'm,
like well, yeah. MAN i was, like when you walk
around for forty years or hour, old you are looking
like you do you think the world's fucking, great because
(01:18:23):
like you're.
Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Just everybody's nice to. You you're always a handsome.
Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
GUY i was, like when you walk, around is nick?
Right you have a little bit of more of an
edge to, you don't. YOU i was, like we switch
bodies for a, MONTH i doubt you're quite as positive
as you are right.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Now, buddy you look like IF i would have said
in the history of, movies you would have been in a.
Movie you are built for uncut. Gems you look like
a guy who is behind the scenes going to a
jewelry store making. Bets you're on the, Go you've got to.
Smoke you, Are you're a little stressed. Out i'm a
little stressed.
Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Out i'm the you, KNOW i probably, have you, know
between five to ten thousand dollars in my, pocket but
it's also possible that's my total net, worth like you never,
know like there's, yeah, absolutely that's the, aesthetic not Only
i'm going, for it's the authentic.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
One so thank you for. THAT i appreciate. It nice, job,
Buddy great to see. You talk to you, soon my.
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get nick right for an hour and it's a news
breaking day. The Lakers just sold for a ten billion
dollar evaluation, which I believed for a long time. Nick,
all these sports franchises are undervalued. Whenever they say, you know,
the Cowboys are worth seven billion dollars. My take is
if somebody in Saudi Arabia had a good month with oil,
(01:32):
they buy him for thirteen billion. Because you don't know
if Google is going to be around in twenty years
or Microsoft. You know the Dallas Cowboys are going to
be around in twenty years. In fact, I remember reading
a story years and years ago they went back to
like nineteen eighty and they took the thirty leading companies
on the Dow Jones, and twenty five years later only
one was still like a really it was like Chevron
(01:55):
or something. And so my point is the Mark Walters
group is the Dodger owner. It's a really good group.
And it does make me think, Okay, the mom and
pop Lakers are over, because that's been the big knock
in LA is that. I mean, people forget little old
Van Gilbert could buy the Bus family four times. They've
been one of the poorest NBA ownership groups.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Correct, and one of the poorest from a net worth perspective,
and I would argue that they haven't.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
They have been one of the more poorly run organizations
in the league.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
And I know that's weird because they have the second
most championships and they just got Luke and Lebron went there.
But I think that they have squandered a lot of opportunities.
I think that since doctor Bus passed, they have There
are very few things you can say the Lakers do
top notch in the league. And while they have been,
(02:53):
you know, willing to spend, I think they've you know,
last decade, they've spent like the seventh most money they
should be the seventh most for Los Angeles Lakers. Is
not maximizing the market and the brand. I understand, it's
not baseball, so there is a cap. And in the
new NBA with the aprons, just spending recklessly can really
(03:15):
hamstring you. But this is a massive net positive for
the Los Angeles Lakers for their fans. In my opinion,
you should not have They're in a weird spot. We're
similar to the Cowboys, where ownership's primary source of income
is the team, and that's one of the reasons I
think the Cowboys don't necessarily spend the way they should,
(03:37):
and that's how I have felt about the Lakers. So listen,
I don't know much about Mark Walters. I know that
he bought twenty six percent of the team from I
think A Shoots or whomever with the guarantee. Part of
that was if the buses sell, I get the first opportunity,
and now he's in.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Now I agree agree with you.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Historically sports franchises have been undervalued. I wonder if we
are now getting to wear ten billions, ten billion dollars
kind of like, that's a lot thing about this money.
Speaker 1 (04:11):
So the the Celtics sold for six billion. The GDP
of Boston, the gross domestic product is six hundred million annually.
It's a trillion. In Los Angeles. The Los Angeles economy
would be the twentieth biggest economy in the world, meaning
it would be bigger than about one hundred and eighty
five countries. So and so, and they own the the
(04:35):
Lakers own their arena, so that's an importance. So like
you just if the arenas worth two billion, given where
it is in the real estate and whatever.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
So now it's not six versus ten. At six versus eight.
And you take the fact that LA's a bigger market,
and you know, as much as this will pain our
buddy Bill Simmons, the Lakers are the biggest brand ambasketball.
Speaker 1 (04:56):
Like Celtics were in the finals two years ago, it
didn't get good rating, It didn't get a number D.
I mean when the Lakers are in the final, regardless
of who the star is, it generally gets a much
bigger rating. Well, yes, it's also true the Lakers have
never been in the finals without one of the biggest
stars in the laws of like, oh that Lakers time
(05:17):
they made the finals with that scrappy, underachieving team. No,
it's Lebron or Kobe or Shacker, Magic or Kareem or Will.
But still your point stands.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, no, they are the the This is a fun
one because you did your mount what was it, Mount
just just more because they're just more than everyone else.
If we were to do God this is this is
corny and make funnable content it also I'm sure will
(05:49):
crush on TikTok or something. If we were to do
the Mount rushmore franchises in American Force.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Four.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
To me, there are three no brainers, and then people
would argue about the four fourth, but the three no
brainers are the New York Yankees, the Dallas Cowboys, and
the Los Angeles Lakers. Those to me, do you think
I'm missing anything there? I think those are the three
brands that are truly.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
Every corner of the world.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
They're you know, somebody's walking around wearing a T shirt
even if they've never heard.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Of the team. Yeah, I think I will say this.
I think the LA Dodgers because of the Walters Group,
perfect spring, summer, fall weather, O tawny. Now is you
know Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday. Dodger games are now an event.
(06:54):
There are fans from the Pacific rim. Every home game
owed attendance for the Dodgers is number one in the league.
They played the Yankees, I think it was last year
if I like twenty five percent of the crowd was
Dodger fans. They travel incredibly well. I think the Dodgers
over the last eight since they've been purchased from the
(07:16):
Mark Walters Group, I think they have become and I'm
and I mean this, I think they're a step ahead
of the Yankees. They don't have all the pennants, they
don't have all the titles. But this ownership group is
much more It's got deeper pockets. It's more aggressive. I
mean the way they are pushing contracts down the road.
(07:38):
They are a revolutionary fans, but they're not a bigger
brand than the New York Games. I think they're getting close.
I think Otawni changes it. I really do. Well.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
If the idea is like Otani brings in and a
whole similar to Iron stand why I think he brings
in the Pacific Round Like what yeah, like what Yao
Ming did for the Houston Rockets.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
We're all of a sudden, it's like you have this
whole new market. But if so, the.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Because I really maybe eventually the Dodgers get there. If Yankees, Cowboys,
Lakers is the three the teams across sports competing for
that fourth spot, Dodgers definitely are in the contention. The
Celtics are the Warriors, No, probably not, because that's good.
The Warriors are like the Chiefs in that it's the
(08:27):
super nova of the moment in Mahomes or Steph Curry,
but they don't have a history to where they're this
big brand. So do you think you think the Dodgers
now have surpassed the Cubs, Yes, as the second biggest
brands in base Yes, okay, because again, remember Chicago wanted
the Olympics.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Why couldn't they get them? Because they were not considered
a global city. They were considered maybe are They're like,
Chicago has won Best North American City seven years in
a row from Conde nas Texture. It's an unbelievable city,
but it's not viewed as an international city. D C.
(09:06):
San Francisco, LA, New York. Boston similarly is not necessarily
seen It's seen as kind of parential for prudential parochial.
So I think they've surfaced. And the Cubs, the Ricketts family,
which by the way, they live about five minutes from
where I'm sitting right now, they are it seats thirty
six thousand, Their revenues just don't. They're not close. They're
(09:29):
just not close anymore so. And I think the Cubs
are historic and they matter domestically, but I don't think
they pull a big number for that.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
That might be right, and it also might be a
lot of the benefit of the Cubs win away or
benefits their own word, but brand recognition, for lack of
better term of the Cubs had to do with if
you're a millennial, when you were growing up with like
basic cable, for some reason, you got the Cubs games
(10:01):
because of WGN, so you could like watch your team
and the Cubs, and so they had that and now
people can watch whatever teams they want. I just saw
the who do you sorry for this slight detour, but
after the Cowboys, what do you think the biggest brand
in football is? Like I hesitate in the moment, it's
(10:21):
obviously the Chiefs, but you wonder, like if Mahomes retired,
like's an interesting everyone if nobody cares if you bought.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
The Chiefs today, well you would have to consider Andy
Reid and Patrick Mahomes part of the buye. So this idea,
well the brand, what is the brand right now? Jerry
Jones is eighty, They're dysfunctional, their roster's bad. There's value
to it. But Kansas City's got the best quarterback in
the league for the next ten years. So I mean
(10:50):
that when Lebron James went from the Miami Heat back
to Dan Gilbert in Cleveland, I talked to somebody in
that billion equity space. He said that was a four
hundred million, billion dollar day for Dan Gilbert, the Calves
without Lebron, even with Evan Mobley and Donovan Mitchell, Lebron
changed that. It was a paradigm shift economically for Cleveland. Literally,
(11:14):
Ken Griffey saved baseball in Seattle. Lebron James changed the economy.
Taylor Swift's tour, an example, made two point one billion dollars,
sold ten million tickets. That is double the next biggest
tour ever. So it's only big because of one reason,
(11:35):
the artist. So if you count, I mean, let's be honest,
if you bought a soccer franchise ten years ago and
Ronaldo had an eight year contract, it would make it
worth half a billion dollars more So, I think the
Chiefs with Mahomes, that adds to me, that adds half
of somewhere between five hundred billion and a billion dollars.
They go from six billion to seven because of Mahomes. Well,
(11:58):
so that's the other piece of this.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
The other piece of this is if the if the
most valuable team in the NBA is now worth ten
billion dollars, what is the most valuable team in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (12:12):
Worth is it fifteen billion?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Like? Honestly, like, what is if this is the new
Because you can't tell like as much as as big
of a brand as Lakers are. And I understand in
the NBA's new TV deal, I get all that there
is nothing that is the machine, that is the NFL.
So if the Lake, if we now have Lakers ten billion,
Celtic six billion, you know as the metrics, then the
(12:41):
if forget the Cowboys. I'm trying to think of a good,
you know, a good If the San Francisco forty nine ers, yeah,
were for sale, are they a ten billion dollar franchise.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
I'll give you. I'll give you one that is undervalued.
Cronky owns Sofi Stadium. Well, yeah, the owning the stadium
is so if you bought the Rams, I get Sofi Stadium,
which can house a hundred concerts a year, and the
Chargers and the Rams. So you have to consider that
(13:18):
when you buy the Rams, so I would stay in
the number two market in the country. I get Sean McVeigh,
I get a well run operation, I get Sofi. I'm sorry,
but that's over ten billion dollars. I mean, if it's God,
it has to be just. It just has to be.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
If they now that the Lakers are worth ten the
biggest NFL brands have to be worth more, you know what,
It just it just has to be and to your point,
and then we can move on to other things.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I'm sure.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Just because this makes me laugh so much. The so
and I looked this up the other day. This is
why I have it.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
When David Glass bought the Royals, hold on the which
was it wasn't a lifetime ago because he sold him
for a billion dollars six years ago or whatever to
John Sherman. So, David Glass, by the way, this is
to your point that franchises at one point were undervalued.
(14:16):
And understand it's the Royals. I understand, it's small market,
I get it.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
It's still one of thirty Major League Baseball teams, and
it's a team that has some history, had won a
World Series. He bought the Royals, not in nineteen fifty four.
He bought the Royals in two thousand and You're like,
how did David Glass get the money for buying the Royals,
And it's well, he was the CEO of Walmart, which
obviously is a high paying job, but usually like CEO,
(14:40):
is not high paying enough to buy professional sports team.
Except for the fact that in the year two thousand,
The Kansas City Royals were sold for ninety six million
dollars crazy, Like can you believe it? Like can you
believe it? Two thousand quarter century ago? A professional baseball team.
It's like, what's it worth? I don't know, certainly not
(15:03):
one hundred million. That's crazy, and like it's it is.
The Royals were sold for slightly more than Juan Soto
will make in a year. It's just banan and then
he sold it for a billion six years ago, and
now they're probably worth two just because like you're saying,
(15:26):
the price of these franchises. It's also why for the
cheap baseball owners, I've always been frustrated because they're like, well,
you know, you know, we don't have to make money,
but we can't be losing money. I'm like, man, the
money you are making is on the eventual cash out
in that you are going to ten x this with inevitability.
(15:51):
And the value of the sports team is the fact
that there are every super rich guy in the world
can buy a yacht, every super rich guy in the
world can buy the sick house and the fanciest cars,
all of it. The exclusivity of you want to you know,
(16:14):
sit courtside at the NBA games as the team owner.
You want to be in the luxury box as the
team owner. You know at a football game, Well there's
only thirty spots, or there's only thirty two spots.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
That's what people are paying for. Yeah, I've always thought
this stuff is undervalued. And that's not a shot. When
I talked about the Celtics going for six billion, I
think if I have Jason Tatum and Jalen Brown and
the best young GM arguably outside of Oklahoma City, and
Brad Stevens, that has to be considered. All of it's considered,
(16:47):
and it's I mean, a company's as valuable usually as
their technology and their people. And so when you have
you know, when you have stars in their prime, that
adds value to it.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
I mean, right, right, but it is, but it is,
it's crazy and then we can move on how quick.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
When Balmer bought the clip yees ye, people freaked out
it was two billion, and I remember going on the
air saying, exactly right, it doesn't matter that he overpaid.
He paid cash, so it's a true two billion. Secondly,
he's never selling it, so it will be worth ten
billion in the future. He'll make five times the money.
(17:23):
And as long as it works on an operating level,
on a positive cash flows a dollar a year, it's
a steal at two billion dollars in the LA market.
And now you plan the same now now they built
their own arena now. But and also you have to
remember about Bomer. I read a story once about Steve
Baumer's net worth. He makes I swear to god, he
(17:47):
makes a billion dollars a year on his Microsoft dividends. Oh,
he's dividends. So it's like, guys if the idea that
these guys like Walters doesn't know what he's doing, like
they know what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
Well, the and again it's just the the NBA franchise
values going like this this quickly, we're ten years ago
two billion for a team in the number two market
that at the time had stars.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
You know, it's not like the Clippers were. That was
the lob City era.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
And then a couple of years ago the Hornets sell
for three billion, and it like and now the and
the prestige franchises. Here's the other interesting angle to this.
Man Lebron has always said, I want to buy a team.
I'm gonna buy a team I'm gonna buy a team, man,
(18:46):
the expansion fee is going to be six billion dollars
like no matter. I know Lebron has done incredibly well
and all that, but like he doesn't have no billions
with a plural like.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
I mean, the truth is, when Mark Cuban bought the Mavericks,
he only owned fifty one percent. So none of these
guys own all of it, right, Yeah, I mean it's
it's Elon Musk when he bought x or Twitter, he had,
he had Saudi money he had. Also, he didn't buy
all of it. He's not going to spend all his
forty four billion dollars. He didn't have forty four billion
dollars of cash everything. The smartest people in the world
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like everyone, what do they do? Share the secrets? People
aren't pay off their own What are you supposed to?
I mean, it's just when you can make nine percent
in the market and in your rates and your three
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Speaker 1 (21:21):
Okay, Caitlyn Clark obviously a huge story in the controversy
around it, and I was thinking about it. I was
pretty harder on than WNBA when Caitlin Clark came in,
and I thought, guys, you can't open up with a
New York Liberty and the Connecticut Sun. You want to
groove her into some wins, because remember she went from
the final four into camp into playing She and the WNBA,
(21:45):
they probably knew she would be good, they didn't think
she'd quite be this good, but it's getting to be
a little bit like MJ is that. And they've done
a better job this year. They had an easier schedule,
they've put the games on television, so that WNBA took
a lot of heat, a lot of heat. And Val Ackerman,
(22:05):
the Commissioner's like, Okay, we got ourselves a complete Taylor
Swift and tennis shoes rock star and they've done a
much better job this year. The officiating is not great,
but the league's now just starting to make real money now, right, Like,
so it's the officials maybe the last part, you know,
it's well, yeah, I wonder with that. And I don't know,
I'm not educated enough.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
On this about what the hierarchy of officiating is. But
obviously the best basketball officials in the world or in
the NBA want to officiate in the NBA. Let's just
I shouldn't say the world, just let's just do the US.
I assume the second best, like men's college basketball, Well yeah,
(22:45):
I would imagine the third best might be women's college basketball,
because up until recently that was a far bigger industry
than the WNBA, like so has the And again I
am just speculating here. But is the WNBA simply not
picking from the you know, the are the people who
(23:05):
are the best officials are like, well, it's way better
jobs in officiating than they flew.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
They assume that's gonna be. They flew commercial airlines a
year ago. And yeah, I mean the NBA moved back
of that in like the eighties, So it's like it's
it's just a different ballgame. But but I was thinking
about this, most of the time, the media gets it
right when it predicts an all time star. In fact,
(23:31):
I would argue, and I think people listening to this
would push back that we undersold Tiger. Nobody thought Tiger
was going to have the lowest scoring average ever, was
going to have the tied for the most career wins ever,
has the greatest earnings ever. Nobody, not even Nike, would
(23:53):
have guessed that.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
No, and within five years have the scoring record at
all four majors and the Tigers, you know, the Tigers, Yeah,
nothing else. You're right, Tiger was Tiger Lebron Serena Lebron.
I would argue all the all time grades that turned
into all time grades also actually kind of exceeded.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Expectations most of the time. I think Bryce Harper at
sixteen was considered arguably the baseball prospect ever. He's turned
out eight time All Star, two time National League MVP,
three hundred and forty home runs plus that is a
If you would have said that when he was sixteen
on Sports Illustrate he's gonna be an eight time All Star,
(24:34):
two time MVP, you'd be like, yeah, for the best
prospect ever that that that's that's in that elite class. Sure,
but I think Caitlyn Clark, Lebron and MJ I think
they're better. And I thought Caitlin was going to be good.
But Gino Arima, Yucom's coach came out and said, and
this guy knows basketball. He's the best recruiter in the
(24:55):
history of the sport. He's like, this idea is she's
going to walk into the WNBA and christ now. But
that was so here's the thing.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
All the Yukon folks had, like the former the legendary
Yukon players who were then in media and then Gino,
they all kind of, in.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
My opinion, had a bias of man.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
This was supposed to be what everyone was saying about
Paige Beckers a year ago, but page had blown out
her knee and she missed time and that and all
of that, and so they I think that they and
they also underestimated what a badass Clark was going to be.
And I think they also looked at it and said, well,
(25:41):
she's great and going to be great, but she's not
better than Brianna Stewart or Diana Torazzi, and they you know,
if they had a transition, she will do. And the
answer is she's a She is already one of the
four best players in the league.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Oh yeah, she is already.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
An absolute and I say this in the kindest words,
an asshole on the court, like the way you kind
of need to They don't need to be, but it's
something people historically like in their athletes, like a trash
Larry Bird, Michael Jordan, a trash talker, you know, hard ass.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
And she is already.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
Impacting winning I think she has the best per game
plus minus in the league of everyone that's not on
the New.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
York Liberty and Liberty or just crossed ten years excepts.
So the quality of WNBA play in the last ten
years has improved more than any league anywhere. The players
are the nutrition's better, the strength is better, you go
YouTube and WNBA game ten years ago, they did not
pass like this. Candas Parker ten years ago led the
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league in assists at five and a half a game
a game. Not only is Caitlin Clark the best shooter,
the best guard, the most influential, she's also dealing nine
assists per game. So what she's done is she's really
changed the tempo. She's doubling these all time assist numbers
(27:14):
were close to it, and giving you threes and shooting
nine feet beyond the arc. So, I mean, as much
as I liked her and I thought she would be
really good, I remember saying on the air, She's she's
gonna be really good, top ten player, really fast, I
didn't think she'd be this.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
No, I listen she I agree with you that I
do think she is, and in contributing to winning exceeding expectations,
I also think that and maybe eventually we'll get there.
But there so much in my I don't know what
you said on the air about this today because I
(27:51):
missed it, but so much of the social media pearl
clutching of basically we need to protect Caitlyn Clark, I
just think it's so.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
I think it's.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Patronizing, and I also think it fails to recognize this is,
in my opinion, the best case scenario for the league.
The fact that she is has this swagger that there
and Brew made this point, and I thought it was
(28:25):
a really good one. The fact that yesterday's altercations primarily
happened with Caitlin against other white players was actually a
really nice thing because it removed any of the bullshit like,
oh the are the black players don't like it? No,
you know who doesn't like Kitlyn Larky, most of her opponents,
(28:45):
you know, you know who historically is not that popular
in sports. The young, awesome, swaggery, trash talking player. That
player usually has allies on their team and their fans.
Speaker 1 (28:59):
And that's it.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Got Joe direct by doctor j everybody.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
And so and so. That's awesome. Here's another thing that's awesome.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
This is only gonna make Caitlin better and tougher and stronger.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
The fact that it is hard and that like because
the idea, because some of Caitlyn's like, there's a real
lunatic fringe on the internet about this conversation. And I
hate doing in life. I don't actually really think both
sides are a problem. Very often in the Caitlin Clark thing,
it is both sides. It is people on both ends
(29:35):
of the spectrum are out of their minds, and the
biggest Caitlyn fans are like the leak. This is the
league's cash cow, and if they if they're not suspending
these other players, she could get hurt. Like, give me
a break. It was a light shove. She fell down.
She's gonna be fine. That fever are gonna be in
big games for a long time. It is she is
(29:59):
sustainable drawing eyeballs, and I do think it is. Note
while people pointed out correctly, oh man, when she was out,
the ratings dropped. The other piece of this is the
ratings dropped, but we're still higher than pre Caitlin Clark WNBA,
(30:19):
which means while yes, some people are just showing up
for her, some people showed up for her, and we're like, oh,
I like basketball, and this is a pretty good product
all stick around, even if she's not there. At least
some people did. It's the best thing imaginable for the league.
It's the best thing imaginable for her, and it is
for us, you know, here in hockey ended last night.
Basketball probably ends tomorrow in the NBA. It'll be nice
(30:43):
to have like a captivating sports story for the summer
other than baseball.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
So I'm excited about it.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
One quick note on the NBA Finals that I don't
know why this popped into my head, but I was
watching just the relentlessness of okac's defense and how they
were just blocking every shot and creating turnovers, and I
thought to myself, I bet if you took the college
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basketball national champion, they could not score twenty points on
Oklahoma Cities defense. And I also thought this, if you
took the ewing John Starks, you know was Anthony Mason,
Charles Oaklean Knicks, they don't score forty points in a game,
and you think I'm crazy. They were held at the
(31:36):
seventies by the Pacers. If you don't have four ball
handlers against OKC, you are ft. That's why when Halliburton's hurt,
it's over, the series is over. Is their defense. Their
perimeter pressure picking up the ball at half court they
don't even need to trap, is so intense that the
(31:58):
only way to beat them is to try try and
spread the floor, have multiple three shooters, or have a
kind of transformational Halliburton, Turkey, Jerky Long weird stop start guy.
This defense. If you would have put Oklahoma City's defense
(32:19):
against a Magic we all know players are now more skilled.
They I mean, seven foot guys now handle the ball
and shoot three. Nobody the Knicks never had a jump shooter,
a consistent Starks was an inconsttent jump shooter. No Starks
was an undrafted play. If you put Oklahoma City including
Jordan's team, if you put Oklahoma City in that era,
(32:42):
I'm not saying they beat him. They would be holding
teams Michael's teams to the seventy point range. They don't
have enough shooters and ball handlers back then. Well so
they are.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I don't think this Oklahoma City team is like one
of the three or four best defenses in the history
of the league's defense.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
It's really unique.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
Exactly what I was going to say, crazy, but almost
all of those teams that you consider the best defense
has ever had as a common denominator a dominant rim protector. Right,
so people bring up like, oh, the four Pistons defense,
you had four time defensive Play of the Year Ben Wallace.
They you know, the eight Celtics not an all time defense,
(33:25):
but a really good defense. You had Kevin Garnett down
low and I'm not acting, listen. Chet does a good
job and Hartenstein does a good job. But they are
a great defense. That is because of what it does
to you on the perimeter. And the team that it
does remind me of is the nineties Bulls, the second
three people Bulls who did not have a dominant rim protector.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
What they did have.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Was Pippen and Rodman and Michael who could just swarm
you and get to you, like make it it's so
hard to get across half court, yeah, and trap you
and those things. And so that's what's so unique and
special about this team, and it is the fact that
(34:12):
the guys who come off the bench for them are
It's such an interesting and I think smart thing Pressty did,
which is most teams like their seventh or their eighth man.
It's a guy like campaign who he's on your team
because hey, he might be able to hit a couple threes,
(34:35):
he might give us a burst of offense.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
And Presty was like, you know what, We're gonna have
enough offense.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
What if the guys we have who come off the
bench are just more. They are defense, not only but
mostly guys, and so that way you never get a breath.
You are just for forty eight minutes. If you're a
perimeter player on the other team, brutal, your night sucks
because it goes from Dort to Crusoe to Wiggins.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
And that is my point. They wouldn't beat the Bulls,
but they are so uniquely built to stop the seventies,
eighties nineties era where your forwards and centers couldn't handle
the ball. They would be just in they would be
I mean again, Michael was never a great ball handler.
He wasn't and Pippen what Pippen was great in transition,
(35:25):
Kobe was a better ball handler than Michael. And so
I'm not saying Michael and those guys wouldn't win. Michael
wouldn't score. But this team more than any defaults.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
Oh, it'd be it would those games would be like
Bulls seventy eight, you know, Okaz seventy It would be yeah, oh,
it would be like what what you're just It would
be like what a lot of the Knicks heat playoff
games in the nineties looked like. Where it's like going
into the fourth sixty one to fifty eight, like, for real.
Speaker 1 (35:56):
No question, I'm not even knocking it. I grew up
on that basket.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Yeah, and but that that's what it was, and that
was for different reasons. But uh, but yeah, I am.
I am really And one thing that I have been,
I'll admit it shocked by. I was shocked by Jalen
(36:22):
Williams scoring forty in a finals game. Like in the
history of the NBA colin number two options to score
forty in a finals game. Kyrie did it twice, Chris
Middleton did it oddly, and gosh darn it, there was
one other one that now I can't remember, James Worthy
(36:44):
did it, but James Worthy did in the game Magic
was out injured. For Kobe scored forty in a finals
game once his whole career, and it was in nine
so it wasn't when he was the number two option
to shock a guy as the second option. Only thirty
people ever have scored forty in a finals game. Yeah,
and twenty five of them are some of the greatest
players you've ever seen. And so for Jalen Williams to
(37:08):
do that in a game that Chase still had thirty,
that was that was remarkable. And it made you think
about what this team is going to be long term.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
And both his parents were in the military. Named the
last athlete who had both parents in the military. I
got Jaylen Williams Santa Clara. I think I looked it
up online. But when I watch his game, you know
what I see? I see parenting grinding. Literally it's seven
a game at Santa Clara eleven eighteen, fourteen eighteen. You
(37:41):
can see the time he's put in the gym. You
can see his discipline. He has the I said this
today to j Mack. He's a better offensive player now
than Scottie Pippen. His you can sh to be a
good shoot react.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
It's been his career high in the in the playoffs
with on the Bulls was thirty two yea his career.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I covered him important. I never trusted him on jump
shots ever. Sure Jalen Williams. When I see a player,
you see this with Lebron. They can go to his
off hand off the glass with touch over Miles Turner,
do you know how long you have to work at
that in the gym? I mean, do you know it's
(38:23):
one thing if some guys some you know a lot
of bigs. They work on their low post games the
Pete Nole camps when I was a kid growing up.
But when I see perimeter players, the first sign of
guys put a lot of time in the gym is
often when they played bigger than their size. Dwayne Wade
Jalen Williams is six'. Five he plays like he's sixty
eight and a. Half he plays incredibly. Big that is
(38:43):
discipline that dude is Put and if you look at
all his you, know the last thing he got good
at in basketball, Scoring yeah he was good. At, yeah he,
defended he, rebounded he could handle the. Ball LIKE i
went back AND i looked at his, Career i'm, like
the last thing he got good at was. Scoring and
that tells you his. Mindset it wasn't about what the bag.
(39:03):
Is his mindset was be a great basketball. Player, no
it's it's.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Unbelievable and, this if there was any like that forty
Point finals game was a quarter of a billion dollar
game for. Him not that he wasn't going to get
a ton of, money but now in two weeks he's
going to get the. Max he'll get five, years two
fifty and he'll just be like and the resigned. Chat
(39:28):
he's gonna get the. Max shay's going to get a
contract that's gonna make, You by the.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Way you're not gonna have any. Bench there's no way
you can afford no.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Bench, well but that's why you're not going to Have
you're not gonna have a bench of second contract. Guys
but that's why where Prest he's been good is they
still have all those extra.
Speaker 1 (39:51):
Picks so what your bench is.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
Gonna be guys you draft that are on their rookie,
deals you know WHAT i, mean and that you cycle
through a cent and that's, Sharp like that's the only
way you can do it IN. Okac but you know'
that'll what that'll make you. Do and this is not
a bad. Thing he will draft older college. Players he
wants guys that can come in and play. Immediately he
(40:13):
doesn't need because all his guys are.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Young So presty's gonna draft Like villanova guy or guy
that's been three Year like that's the way you do
it now is is, okay let's we need a two
year college starter who can come in and give us
thirteen minutes off the bench as a rookie.
Speaker 2 (40:28):
And so and so he's but they Are, Listen i've
said this to you and we can leave it at.
This every time for the last five, years when a
team's won a, title people have been, like, well they're
about to win a bunch of, titles and every time
that team has gotten clipped in round two or earlier
the next. Year So i'm not like the dynasty's. STUFF
(40:50):
i think we get TO i don't think we are
in a dynasty. ERA i do think that if The
Oklahoma city ownership is willing to do something that wasn't
willing to do fifteen years ago and pay a, price
they are incredibly well set up with shaving twenty, six
About turn twenty, seven with, jail With jadub And chat
(41:13):
both in year three this, year and that's just going
to be their team and we'll see how long they
can run.
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Topic AND i don't do this a. Lot LIKE i
don't talk about other. ANNOUNCERS i just. DON'T i don't
get into. IT i don't. CARE i think it's hard to.
DO i do, Sometimes, YEAH i, don't BUT i will
talk about. This is THAT i THINK i can say
this because of My Sports nation. Days i've had multiple
co hosts on The. HERD i think not That i'm
(43:35):
exclusively or even primarily qualified to talk about, it BUT
i Think i've earned the right to talk about, chemistry
not talent. CHEMISTRY i don't like the chemistry on THE
ESPN nba. Broadcast it's not the, people it's the. Chemistry
as you, know there's a Reason mike And tony have
(43:56):
been a hit show for twenty five years or. Plus
their chemistry is A there is a Reason buck And
aikman Went fox TO espn. Together they have tremendous. Chemistry
madden in summer. All it's really really hard being. Talented
look at, you you worked for. Years the chemistry on
(44:17):
your show beyond. Talent the chemistry is really what makes the.
Show Jeff Van, Gunny Mark jackson And breen had remarkable.
Chemistry and for twenty four years or however long ESPN's
had THE, nba they have struggled with pregame, shows postgame.
Shows the perfect, pairing and they had it and then
(44:39):
they blew it. Up my guess is That Van gundy
could be critical of the. League there Was David stern
from time to time pushback on critical interviews By Bob
costas or others which needed to be. Done and this
is one thing THAT i wonder about THE. Nba don't
(45:00):
think broadcasting crews change, ratings but as now THE nba
moves to other, NETWORKS i am really interested to see
it At amazon and see it AT nbc BECAUSE espn
does a lot very very. Well in my, OPINION i
think they're so good at The Little League World, Series Sports,
(45:20):
center THE Nfl, Draft Scott Van Pelt, Show mike And,
tony they're just a lot of really talented people. There
at a college game, day there's just they've just built,
really really solid foundational pieces of. BROADCASTING i have great.
ADMIRATION i do not think they've been good with THE. Nba,
NOW i Think Mike brains as good as, anybody Including
(45:45):
Marv Albert i've ever heard of, basketball BUT i think
for twenty years AND i don't do, THIS i think
they've underproduced and under delivered with THE. Nba so all,
right SO i.
Speaker 2 (45:57):
Am it seems like a much bigger fan of the
actual booth That, Brien doris AND rj than you are
and maybe other people. ARE i know there have been
reports about THE espn once again changing that you, KNOW i,
mean they they one of if it's very. Interesting reportedly
(46:18):
one of the reasons they initially shook Up Mark jackson
And jeff Van gundy was because they didn't like the
fact THAT i think it Was, mark maybe it Was,
jeff BUT i think it Was mark was always like
his name was in coaching, searches and they were, like,
no you, know we don't want you flirting with other.
Jobs and then the two, guys they brought in one
guy In Doc rivers to replace, him and then during
(46:43):
the season he took a, job and then they put
IN jj and THEN jj right after the season he
took a, job and so they've obviously moved it around a.
LOT i UNDER i do understand that any. Group AND
i don't remember the first year of Bringing Van gundy And,
jackson But i'm sure it wasn't as good as the fifth,
(47:05):
year the tenth year and hand, down man, down And,
mama there goes that man and those. Guys and for,
me the best broadcast crew ever was growing up With
Steve Snapper jones And Bill walton WHEN i was a
little kid ON nbc because of the chemistry between, them
and the chemistry between them was actually it seemed Like
(47:25):
Steve Snapper jones wanted to Kill Bill walton every single, day.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
And so it was like it was.
Speaker 2 (47:29):
Great SO i am far less critical of the actual
game like the play by play color commentary than any
think others BECAUSE i actually like. IT i also, am,
REALLY i, think fairly critical Of reggie on the TN t.
Broadcast SO i think THE espn actual play by play
(47:49):
in color is. Good the overall presentation of, everything, THOUGH
i think it is totally fair to, criticize AND i
think it is totally fair when people say you need
to show me with how you present, this that this
(48:11):
is a big deal and the lack of pageantry as you,
know it's like, this AND i, know, listen how about.
Speaker 1 (48:19):
This why DON'T i know? More why pregame? Postgame remember
Rune arledge on The, olympics up close and, Personal, LIKE
i want to know the players. MORE i want TO
i want cameras in their. HOUSE i want to go
deep on the, players not just this superfluous eight second.
(48:42):
Halftime and by the, way, no, yeah there have been
fifteen different halftime pregame post. GAME a couple of years,
ago they didn't. Talk it was a series of. Commercials
And i'm, like this is not a criticism of the
company or the. INDIVIDUALS i know the guy that directs.
It he's a great, guy gone out of dinner few,
Times anne AND i with his. Wife great. Guy BUT
(49:03):
i just THINK i, thought before Bucking, AIKMAN espn underserved THE,
nfl and so did THE. NFL i Think, FOX, NBC
cbs thing could seem like a big, deal like the.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
Deal so that's so All, Again i'm gonna sound like
a company man here AND i don't mean, to But
i'll just use a company man and self serving kind
of a double dip of.
Speaker 1 (49:27):
Annoying i'll be for a.
Speaker 2 (49:28):
Moment did did sending first things first to THE nd
five hundred draw you, know more people to watch THE
nd five?
Speaker 1 (49:41):
HUNDRED i don't.
Speaker 2 (49:42):
Know MAYBE i saw the number and it was like
whatever it, was it was like an e it was
call it eight. MILLION i have no idea what the nunnumber,
was BUT i know at the end of it there
was fifty. Thousand it was like eight million fifty thousand
or four million fifty, Thousand AND i joke The wild
And broom, like hey that fifty.
Speaker 1 (49:58):
Thousand that was a like we did like THE i
don't know if it actually drove.
Speaker 2 (50:04):
Audience they made it feel, big, correct it made it
was a signal that, hey you know WHAT i, mean
we are we're sending a show that never Talks Indy
brady or Or indy, Right we're gonna make it feel
big an. Event AND i think so WHEN i SAW
(50:26):
i don't know if it's AN nbc Or amazon whichever
one just, Announced hey guess who's gonna be part of
our basketball?
Speaker 1 (50:31):
Coverage Michael. JORDAN i know.
Speaker 2 (50:34):
Some people are gonna are, like, like, well how much
did you spend on that and, like is that gonna
actually draw more? People it will make it feel. Important
and so LIKE i do when people When twitter, says you,
know why are their pregame introductions when they haven't shown,
those by the, way in twelve, Years but all of a,
(50:55):
sudden and it's like where'd the trophy go on the
floor and the final. Script it's little Things and here's
Where i'm. Surprised THE nba drops the ball a. Bit
they clearly think some of those things matter because they
do them for the fucking commission The. Cup like the they're, like,
OH i know this is an in season tournament game
(51:16):
because the court's different like, This so they're, like we're
gonna key for the. Audience this is important for the
for The Commissioner's cup and THE Nba. Finals it looks
like a regular like so that's those types of things
they could do. Better the other thing, is and this,
was you, know, famously you, know this was one of
(51:38):
our Pal Bill simmons' biggest you know frustrations when he
was part of the, pregame halftime post game is there's
just so much they use that and, Listen i'm not
a businessman And i'm sure it's smart. Business it's about
commercial inventory load for the halftime show in. Particular, okay
so that's that's totally. Fine if you've like, crunched that's
(52:00):
the way do. It but IT'S i would, say if
that's going to be the case instead of having four
people give forty second, opinions then that's the spot For,
hey here's a really really well produced four minute.
Speaker 1 (52:19):
Feature, yeah you.
Speaker 2 (52:20):
Know a special interest or a personal interest or whatever it.
Is AND i also again i'm you, Know i'm A
bob Costas. STAN i met him WHEN i was twelve years.
Old he was incredibly kind to. ME i think he's
the goat broadcaster as far as all, things BUT i
miss the like many essays that he would give in
(52:44):
the lead up to a finals, game where he's like
setting the table for the stakes of the. Event and so,
YEAH i do think that that type of thing could
be done. Better AND i also think THAT i DO
i think there is real value two for the finals
(53:08):
for your major, events for your major, contributors for that
to be their signature.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
Event and by THAT i, mean, like so you brought
Up scott Van.
Speaker 2 (53:21):
Pelt scott Van, pelt you, know does an amazing job
on his. Show he also has a signature, event which
is the the golf he does FOR, Espn, right and
it's like that's that's his. Thing each year is the
major tournament ON. Espn they're the majors ON. ESPN i
(53:43):
think that if, you're if you, are and this isn't
BECAUSE i have, recently you, KNOW i think, fairly you,
know TAKE i don't, Know i've taken some shots are
the right, word but voice my frustration with some of
the things Steven a has. Done this is not about
Steven a, individually but if you use Steven a for
(54:05):
all of your big, stuff then it if everything is why.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Special right its? It it's why Former President obama will
not endorse Every democratic candidate or will not run to a.
Microphone he doesn't want to dilute his. Opinion he is
he is the most Popular, democrat and his take is
always everybody's, like Where's? Obama, well he doesn't want to
latch himself onto the, crazy lunatic fringe wing of the.
(54:32):
Left he's not going to endorse losing. Candidates and you
can't have an opinion on every Time trump offends, you
because he offends you seven times a, day so he
makes it a two to three time a year strong.
Opinion AND i think That and this is, AGAIN I STEVEN.
A smith's a. FRIEND i text him reasonably regularly. Regularly
(54:53):
that's not, it and this is not in any. Way
i'm not harboring ever any resentment OF. ESPN i have friends.
THERE i really respect. IT i really. DO i talk
to people there all the. Time BUT i do think
they make THE Sec championship feel like the f And Super.
Bowl if you're Watching fowler.
Speaker 2 (55:12):
And herbstreet, Right i'm talking about No saban, McAfee Herb,
street it feels big in THE. Nba it's like you
had a great, crew you blew it, out the chemistry
with this is your halftime, shows Musical.
Speaker 1 (55:29):
Chairs it just doesn't feel big. Enough AND i don't
think this about them. Often that's back to my initial
point WHY i want to See amazon IN. Nbc i'm
fascinated to see their presentation BECAUSE i think THAT i
THINK nbc has a History, Olympics Sunday Night. Football NBC's
(55:50):
always made things feel big in my, lifetime AND i
think they're going to Make Jordan is a CLASSIC nbc.
Move Is i'm turn. In i'm gonna Watch, jordan of,
course of.
Speaker 2 (56:03):
Course and it's in a very fractured attention. Economy, yeah
making things feel like events is so wildly, important and
a lot of that really is to do with.
Speaker 1 (56:26):
Again the, fluff the, pageantry the all all that.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Stuff AND i think your point about THE Sec championship
is a great. One it's obviously it's obvious that they
can do, this and they can do it very, well
oh my. God and they understand the importance of it
by the fact that they paid whatever they paid to
Get Bucking, akman Because Bucking, akman it was like that
stamps us as as.
Speaker 1 (56:52):
We are taking this.
Speaker 2 (56:53):
Seriously we have these two super respected, voices.
Speaker 1 (56:57):
And so it is. Odd it just it's odd that
they have been a little adrift on. This, yeah, no
and and and. AGAIN I i've always Thought Game day
AND Sec. CHAMPIONSHIPS i, MEAN i THINK espn makes The
Little League World series feel. Gigantic AND i THINK i
(57:19):
TOLD i told Her Eric shanks WHEN i first. Came he,
said what would you take if you could take anything FROM?
Espn AND i, said the draft would hurt their. Soul
AND i want a couple of weeks off In, august
go get The Little League World. Series that'd be perfect for.
You uh, yeah that'd be really.
Speaker 2 (57:39):
Good that's a fun, one did You you know this
IS i keep sidebarring your, podcast but this would be
a fun podcast to do.
Speaker 1 (57:49):
A draft, of like the coolest events to.
Speaker 2 (57:54):
Broadcast we don't have to do it right, now but
like down the road like that and the other the you.
Mentioned you, know our biggest, Boss Eric. SHANKS i don't
know If Michael molvahill, is like are one of our,
bosses but he's certainly one of the smartest people at the.
Company he's been on your podcast or on YOUR tv.
Show The draft that they do an actual draft of
(58:18):
college football games that the different.
Speaker 1 (58:20):
Networks it is.
Speaker 2 (58:21):
Fascinating not only not only DO i want to one
day be in the room for it, Again i'm not
going to ruffle any feathers. Here i'm a little offended
that no one wants has been, like, Hey, nick you
gotta you gotta mock you want to send, Over like
we'd love to pick your brain on, It like if
there's anybody that can FIVE d chess the rating and
(58:44):
the window and the weather and all of. It LIKE
i Fellas i'm, available just another another brain in the
room for you if you want.
Speaker 1 (58:52):
It like that would be.
Speaker 2 (58:54):
So and if you don't know What i'm talking about
the different, networks it's, like, okay with the first, pick
and AGAIN i Don't tenant's Always Ohio, State, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (59:02):
Ohio, State. Michigan and then who has the second? Pick
and that's.
Speaker 2 (59:05):
How that's how for the games that could go to different,
networks they have an actual draft and a couple of
years AGO i.
Speaker 1 (59:12):
Know it Like fox traded a.
Speaker 2 (59:13):
Pick, Yeah they're, like we'll trade you the third pick
for like the eighth and the. Ninth it's super. Fascinating
that is super.
Speaker 1 (59:20):
FUN i will say in terms of big, EVENTS i
go to about FOUR ufc fights a. Year and that's
Why Dana, white among other, things Brings. Trump he wants
it to feel, big he gets a, reaction it makes the,
news it's it's all over cable. Television so like him or,
(59:43):
not it's. SMART i think THE, ufc of all the
Events i've been in My i've been to in my,
Life i've Been i've been to everything except The Kentucky,
derby and that's just been a time. ISSUE i Just
i'm always doing something at that time of the. Year
THE ufc does a great job on. SITE i so
(01:00:06):
every TIME i go to A ufc, FIGHT i take
a new friend to introduce him to the. Sport all
of them are, like CAN i come again to? This
can you get more? Tickets dana's always understood the value of.
That that and and and there was a. Run not
that they're in a slump, now but Without connor And John,
jones there's always great For they don't have. It they
(01:00:27):
don't have a megastar right, now they don't have a cross,
sad but it's such a well run company and. Event
it's like wrestling right now you get you get a
whole cogan once every fifteen, years, right you just. Don't
and SO wwe, Similarly roman reins you, know he was
he was, Good he looked the. Part but for a
WHILE i don't think they felt Like Roman reigns was quite, it,
(01:00:48):
Right So nick conn And Dana, white that's. Right So
Nick conn and and AND i mean And Dana, white
you YOU i don't care how well you're. Running both
THE wwe AND ufc are brilliantly run. SOMETIMES i, mean
who could have guessed The rock would have been the
biggest star In. Hollywood. Right some of it's just you,
know crazy. Luck, so BUT i think THE ufc does
(01:01:12):
A i mean every TIME i go to THE ufc,
fight never not had AN a plus plus plus. Time
love the, environment love the, people, everybody and it's cool
because You're i'm sitting by a. LISTERS i get good
c's and they're all ON t shirts and. Jeans nobody's,
precious Nobody's so the thing THAT i and this IS.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
I have.
Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Never been To that's not.
Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
TRUE i went to A ufc fight WHEN i was a,
teenager like when the company was kind of in its.
Infancy uh THAT i think In Atlantic. CITY i don't
even remember WHY i was, There but as an, Adult
i've never. Been and the other, thing And i'd love,
To and the this is me, saying you, Know i'm
(01:02:00):
one of those friends you should invite basically if you
can't pick up on. It the other the other thing.
Speaker 4 (01:02:04):
IS I i would Love now THAT i make decent,
MONEY i would love to have six seats to a
big boxing.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
Match So i've been. To i've been to.
Speaker 2 (01:02:17):
BOXING ufc is better than boxing BECAUSE I i'll tell you.
Why because you can GET i went TO i went
to Seven pacquiel, fights AND i went To Haggler, hearns
AND i went To tyson a lot Of, tysons but
the undercard nobody gave a shit. About since the women's
division has, exploded, WELL ufc will be a, better a
(01:02:40):
better four, hours there's no doubt about, it because you
have a bunch of fights on fights on. FIGHTS i
still a huge boxing match to me is still as
cool of a thing as there is in. Sports there
aren't many of them these, days but like six seats
to a big time, fight be.
Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Sick but.
Speaker 2 (01:02:58):
There it's also that's Another East coast coast thing where
so much of it disproportionately is In. Vegas it's so
much easier if you're IN la to shoot up To
vegas than if you're In New. YORK i am In
vegas pretty, often, though SO i GUESS i could.
Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Go, YEAH i never outside of THE. Us only thing
that gets me To vegas IS, ufc AND i go.
THERE i fly in by four times a. YEAR i love.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
It it's harder for you now now that you're In,
chicago and oh it's not how's that?
Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Going? OH i Love. Chicago IT'S i mean the weather's you,
know you get lightning storms right, now, humidity and you
have weather. Here you don't have weather IN. La you
have weather, here but you're still liking it's still taking the. Train,
OH i love. IT i love. It the, traffic by the,
way this is just my. Take traffic's worse In chicago THAN.
(01:03:43):
La and it's not close because, yeah the north suburbs
into the city and downtown to the airport is worse
than ANYTHING la. Produces oh hold, ON i have to
push back on you. First ad you are as the
kids would say right. Now now your privilege is.
Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Showing you are only saying that because of where you
lived IN la in relation to where you worked and
where you would go if you.
Speaker 1 (01:04:11):
Like for, you the traffic IN.
Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
La you lived on close to the beach and you
worked In WEST, la so you avoid you never got.
Snarled you were never, like, oh, Man i'm coming from the.
Valley i've got to go through. Downtown now you live
in a, nice cushy. Suburb if you're coming into the, City,
(01:04:33):
yeah you're dealing with.
Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
It you're in, it, Buddy you're in.
Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
It i'm in The but it's similar Like manhattan WHERE
i live is Very people talk About New york, traffic
BUT i don't think they totally. Understand LIKE i live In,
harlem which Is Upper, manhattan AND i work In midtown
and it takes me eighteen minutes during rush hour twenty
(01:05:03):
eight minutes worked to home or home to. Work and
it's not because traffic In manhattan's not. That it's because
the worst traffic In manhattan is not going north.
Speaker 1 (01:05:12):
South it's going.
Speaker 2 (01:05:13):
Across it's going east west from the east side of
The west, side of the west side of The East,
side or It's Lower manhattan Where Wall street And soho
and all those places. Are that's where you can be
just taking an hour to go two. Blocks and so
it's very for me, personally traffic's no problem at.
Speaker 1 (01:05:31):
All for a lot of, people it's a huge part
of their.
Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Life of you now In chicago are dealing with, it
But AND's loving.
Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
It, YEAH i, mean It's CHICAGO'S i Think Conde nast
has said. It DID i say this? Earlier it's the
best city In North america seven straight. YEARS i read
a piece In The New York times. Yesterday they were
talking about mayoral candidates and The New York times Acknowledged
New york's not the. Same it's. Declining build De blacio
(01:05:58):
was a really bad, MAYOR k through twelve. Regressed there's
a sense the schools aren't as. STRONG i have a
friend that goes there on a twice a month, basis
and he said it smells like pot everywhere. Everywhere, well that, part.
Speaker 2 (01:06:15):
LISTEN i think THE i think the downfall Of New
York city is greatly. OVERSTATED i also think The New
York times what they've done in this mayoral election is
a little. Cowardly but we don't have to get into.
It nobody cares about my thoughts on The New york mayoral,
race or maybeople, do but this isn't the platform for.
Speaker 1 (01:06:35):
It what is true, is, yeah it does smell like
weed every. Everywhere that, part that, part that part is.
Speaker 2 (01:06:45):
Undeniable and what's also true is as a guy who
doesn't smoke weed but does occasionally like to bumb a
cigarette from somebody BECAUSE i don't like to buy, cigarettes
but you, know OCCASIONALLY i like to smoke a. Cigarette
it is maddening to walk outside and to walk a
(01:07:06):
few blocks and come across a dozen people smoking and
not a single one of them are smoking. Cigarettes i'm,
like there's no one to bum a cigarette. FROM i
could easily, ask CAN i hit your? Joint but there's
no one to bumb a cigarette from these. Days so
that part the fact that the idea that the city
(01:07:26):
smells like, weed that bart's.
Speaker 1 (01:07:28):
True And i'm very smell. Influence i'm weather and smell.
INFLUENCE i some people smell really affects, me LIKE i
don't like to be in Places i'm very sensitive to the. Weed,
listen the.
Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
True legalization in marijuana, HERE i don't know if it's
had many, actual like negative impacts on this on society
Or i'll be blacked or anything like.
Speaker 1 (01:07:53):
That it certainly is true that it smells like weed.
Off that's that's not and that would it's not. Deniable
that would drive me crazy because Downtown chicago, DOESN'T la.
DOESN'T i was In boston. Recently boston. Doesn't i'm trying
to think of the LAST i, MEAN i haven't been
To New york in two, years BUT i have. Heard
it's just at times it's just, listen there is a
(01:08:16):
lot of people smoking with that part is and there's
garbage on the streets In New. York In.
Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
Chicago they put, It now we've been the, case so
now we just got. Bins we just got, bins a
new thing In New.
Speaker 1 (01:08:27):
York we just got. Bins so.
Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
The, again nobody really cares about my take.
Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
On New york.
Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
MAYORS i will tell YOU i don't think the one
we have right now is that great one.
Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Thing it seems like he did a decent job on of.
Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
IS i don't think he was really good at corruption
and getting rid of rats and so and and by
WHEN i say good at, CORUPTION i don't mean like
rooting out. CORRUPTION i mean like he's skilled at. Corruption
but also he got rid of.
Speaker 1 (01:08:57):
Rats that was. Good you know IT'S i joked WHEN
i people THINK la Is Looney. Tunes but WHEN i
was AND i remember, moving there's always been a reputation,
that you, KNOW la is hippies and crazy and drugs and,
uh you, know unethical behavior and. AFFAIRS i never forget
moving out. East the governor Of connecticut got thrown out
(01:09:20):
of office for building a hot tub on state. Money
there Was Elliot, spitzer The New jersey governor got run
out of office for a controversial. Relationship it was an
s show politics In New, York connecticut And jersey were
just an, insane unethical.
Speaker 2 (01:09:39):
Warright now one of the guy who's probably going to,
win uh corporate probably is going to win the race
For Aris, cuomo.
Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
Who was the.
Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
Governor, yeah but he got he got run, Out, uh you,
know not exactly in.
Speaker 1 (01:09:54):
Glory, Yeah AND i do think multiple.
Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
AFFAIRS i do think the long Time United States senator
From New jersey just yesterday started in eleven year prison. Sentence,
yeah because when The feds raided his, house he had
literal gold. BARS i gotta tell you that's kind of.
Awesome like not the not the, bribes BUT i do
(01:10:19):
think that like if of all the stores of value
one could, have IF i IF i went to someone's
house and they're, like, hey here's my flash drive of,
Crypto i'm, like, okay you go to someone's house and they're.
Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
Like, hey here's my gold. Bars i'm like that's, Sick
like that is like the gold the gold the gold.
Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
Bars being how AM i going to hide this? Bribe
what IF i just take it in gold? Bars that's pretty.
Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
Awesome, well it's just interesting because as somebody that now
lives who grew up in The West, coast traveled a
decade in The East. Coast now live in The. MIDWEST
i lived in all four. Corners now That i've lived
in everywhere in the, country The, midwest the corners, everywhere
is that it was. Interesting the perception Of la was
just hippies and everything was a p diddy. Party the
(01:11:09):
corruption in The northeast politics is there's nothing like. It
it is. Wild AND i Think i've said this. Before
The northeast is really. Intense Like chicago's a big city
and they've had corruption in. Politics but people, here like
in the northern part of, town it's all golf. Courses
(01:11:29):
it's very. Recreational you have a beach on the. City
In New. York even to go to The hamptons is.
Hard New york it's a grind and what that grind
hurts what the grind. Creates work, hard play. Hard and
In New york there's a SENSE i have a harder.
Life the, weather the, taxes the, rent the, intensity the.
(01:11:53):
Competition i'm going to reward myself for, that and it
often becomes bad. Behavior think about The West. Coast seattle's
on the, Water San francisco's on the, Water San diego's
on the, Water LA's on the. Water you can work
sixty hours a. Week you're on the.
Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Beach like, well so that's our Mutual one of the
one of the thought smartest Things i've heard about The
New york IN la was from our mutual Friend, maverick
who lives IN la and he's from The. Midwest has, lived,
yeah has lived in, it lived a bunch of, places
but seems.
Speaker 1 (01:12:30):
To really LOVE.
Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
La and he said to, Me he's, like there's No
sundays In New.
Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
York And i'm, like what do you.
Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
Mean he's, like IN, la On, sunday if you didn't
know what day of the week it, was but you
woke up and you looked outside and you, listened you
Can sunday just feels and sounds.
Speaker 1 (01:12:51):
Different it's, quieter there's less going. On It's.
Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Sunday he's, like there's No sunday In New. York he's,
like you you wake up up In New york and
you look. Outside every day is. Intense you know WHAT i,
Mean it's. Intense AND i was, like, oh that's, like
that's a very interesting BUT i think smart way to put,
it and that is.
Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
True BUT i HAVE i.
Speaker 2 (01:13:16):
LISTEN i went here's the Places i've lived zero to
eighteen years, Old Kansas city eighteen to twenty, Two syracuse
for college twenty two to twenty, seven back To Kansas
city twenty seven to thirty, two thirty One, houston thirty
(01:13:37):
one to thirty, TWO, la and thirty two to Forty New.
Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
YORK.
Speaker 2 (01:13:44):
I WHEN i first moved, HERE i did not like.
IT i felt overwhelmed by. Choice it was, like there's
so many, options there's, nothing there's so much, new there's nothing.
Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
To do whatever it.
Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
IS i now feel, like having lived here for as
long AS i, have there are very very few cities
in the WORLD i could ever live again Because i've.
Speaker 1 (01:14:09):
Become so spoiled by.
Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
The, food, theater, culture event options that, LIKE i think
in THE, US i could live In la Or, vegas Maybe,
miami But miami would have to be like for retirement
(01:14:34):
and anywhere like ELSE i.
Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Go it just feels a LITTLE i don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:14:41):
Slow now maybe Again i'm forty And i'm in the
midst of like the grind of my. Career maybe When
i'm Fifty i'll be, like, MAN i WANT i want something, different,
slower you know WHAT i? Mean, Whatever but after A
midwest kid that never thought he live In New. YORK
(01:15:01):
i now feel like this is probably where you, KNOW
i could live for a very very long. Time.
Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
YEAH i going back to what you, said you felt,
overwhelmed and What Maverick harter, said there is No. Sunday
that is at the heart of Why i've always theorized
there are more affairs In northeast. Politics there is no
stepping off the. Treadmill the richest people In, California let's
(01:15:28):
go To. Monasita it's a one hour drive up the.
Road there's all every. Time it's. Amazing how often Like,
hollywood how often do you? Work you have a movie a?
Year like the industry In New york is, Paper Wall,
street venture. Capitalism it's art IN La it's all art and.
(01:15:50):
Creation that's a more joyful experience than trading. PAPER i,
mean think About West Palm. Beach is the richest area
in The, hamptons or the richest area is kind of
in The East. Coast the people that live there, litigation
the biggest. Attorneys they're fighting, constantly and you're On Wall
street without intensity and. Clients the richest people on The
(01:16:11):
West coast can live In Beverly. Hills they're in. Entertainment
they're they're IN i Mean, netflix and you, know like like.
Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
A lot of what it, IS a lot of the
other group is tech in the.
Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
Silicon that's. Creation that's a more joyful experience than fighting
people in court or. Fight So i've always, said a
fifty five year old In New york looks fifty. Nine
a fifty five year old guy IN la looks. Fifty
and there's a nine ten year swing. There In New.
York the more money you, make you buy a nicer.
(01:16:48):
Tie IN, la once you make, money you no longer
have to wear a. Tie it's a different, culture a
life when you're that's a great coward. Line when you're
rich IN. La you don't See Bob iger wearing a.
Tie you don't See Steve balmer wearing a. Tie Donald
trump always wore a. Tie Mike bloomberg always wears a.
Tie it's a different. Culture it's way more.
Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Intense, yeah well that ain't good for, me, buddy BECAUSE
i LOOKED i didn't look exactly great BEFORE i moved
To New.
Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
York now you're, saying you, KNOW i, SAID I i talked.
Speaker 2 (01:17:24):
For the first time, EVER i talked To i'd never
talked to him in, like actually we texted or. DMed
BUT i was on With levatar today and on the
show with him Was tony Really And i'd never talked To.
Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
TONY i had.
Speaker 2 (01:17:39):
ALWAYS i had, always you, know kind of admired him
From afar and one of THE i Gave tony a
very big compliment about kind of his running around the.
Horn but THEN i told, HIM i was, like with
all that, SAID i fervently believe that IF i had
gone through my, end because, oh this is what it,
(01:17:59):
was because he is a very positive person and kind
of exudes, positivity and they were giving me a hard
time for being a little more i don't, know jaded
or negative certain. Things AND i said to, Reality i'm,
like well, yeah. MAN i was, like when you walk
around for forty years or hour, old you are looking
like you do you think the world's fucking, great because
(01:18:23):
like you're.
Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
Just everybody's nice to. You you're always a handsome.
Speaker 2 (01:18:26):
GUY i was, like when you walk, around is nick?
Right you have a little bit of more of an
edge to, you don't. YOU i was, like we switch
bodies for a, MONTH i doubt you're quite as positive
as you are right.
Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
Now, buddy you look like IF i would have said
in the history of, movies you would have been in a.
Movie you are built for uncut. Gems you look like
a guy who is behind the scenes going to a
jewelry store making. Bets you're on the, Go you've got to.
Smoke you, Are you're a little stressed. Out i'm a
little stressed.
Speaker 2 (01:18:56):
Out i'm the you, KNOW i probably, have you, know
between five to ten thousand dollars in my, pocket but
it's also possible that's my total net, worth like you never,
know like there's, yeah, absolutely that's the, aesthetic not Only
i'm going, for it's the authentic.
Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
One so thank you for. THAT i appreciate. It nice, job,
Buddy great to see. You talk to you, soon my.
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