Bears Beat Cowboys, Chargers Dominating AFC West, Daniel Jones Starts 3-0

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All right, it's time for our Sunday Night Pod. It's
a wild day of crazy outcomes. Special teams, block kicks,

(01:06):
returns for touchdowns one of the weirder Sundays. Let's start
with Bears thirty one Cowboys fourteen. Let's spend a lot
of time on this. So I felt for the first
time John and I wrote it down here. I really
felt it. In that nineteen play drive in the third quarter,
I wrote down harmony. I really thought it was the

(01:28):
first time out of the first drive that I thought
Caleb and Ben there was a certain harmony, like he
wasn't rushing anything. Caleb made a couple of big time throws.
Captain in the end zone. I think it was DJ Moore,
but I did now the Cowboys again, they won the
field position game. Chicago did Dallas ceedee Lamb got hurt

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second quarter. They didn't have a lot of offense in
the second half. And I know Dallas isn't very good defensively,
but listen, half the teams in this league aren't going
to be very good defense going forward with injuries and personnel.
I thought there was improvement. I thought Caleb he dirted
a couple of easy balls, but I thought there was
some harmony with Ben.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
Yeah, I mean, I think the story of the game
is Ben Johnson versus Ebraflus, which would be like a
you know, a twenty year old playing a five year
old and pick up basketball it's not a fair fight.
I mean, ebra flu is probably I understand, like you said, injuries,
but I think ebra Flus is probably the worst defensive
coordinator going. So I have a hard time. Listen. I
give Caleb credit. He made that that That flea flicker

(02:32):
is one of the more beautiful throws you will see
all season long. It felt like it flew night. But
I don't put much emphasis on I mean, they score
touchdowns with guys wide open, wide open touchdown. DJ Moore
wide open touchdown, and Rome I think the first touchdown
of the game, he was the dig just fell on
the ground, you know. So it's just I listen, I'm
not trying to be negative on this. A wins a win,

(02:54):
cool moment for Ben getting his first win, But I
truly believe that some guys in this league get rec
cycled unfairly, and ebra flu is a good example. He
has no business being a defensive courts It's embarrassing. I mean,
no one, there's no one even around, so Caleb's hitting
these guys. There was a stretch early in the second
quarter where he missed a couple of balls over the middle.
I'm like, yes, but then he calmed down I thought

(03:16):
Ben Johnson for the first time this year, had a
rhythm in his play cause but I felt like, yes,
it felt like Detroit. But he's facing Ibraflus. You know,
you face Green Bay Minnesota the better defenses. It's not
like that. So I have a hard time making a
grand proclamation that Caleb's fixed or anything. But you can
only play who you're playing. And they shredded any he

(03:38):
hit guys that were wide open. More of a reflection
to me on Eberflus than it is Caleb is fixed.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
But I you know, one thing watching the Bears I
felt is they they do have good offensive personnel. I
mean Jesus Luther Burden, Roma Dunze, DJ Moore, Cole Com,
Colston Loveland. Swift's a nice back. He's not a star,
but he's a nice back. If you give Caleb reasonable protection,
which he certainly had in the interior, they ran the

(04:05):
ball better today. Here's the one thing is if they
become like the twenty third best scoring team in the league,
it's not gonna be on the personnel or Ben. They've
got good players. I agree there, they have some really
really even their third string back is a capable player.

Speaker 2 (04:23):
I would agree with you there. I think two things
can be true, right, Ibra Flus and the Cowboys defensive
personnel might be the worst in the league combination, and
the Bears are not as bad as they have looked
through two games offensive personnel standpoint. Listen, is Rome ever
going to be Malik Neighbors or Jamar Chase? Probably not,
but he's a really good player and he could be
probably a really good two. We know Dj Moore is

(04:44):
like a fringe what one B two, so that they
got two good receivers. Cole Comet's a good tight end,
you know, and he's technically they drafted a guy to
supplant him. So I'm with you there. I'm fascinated to
watch Listen sometimes, especially with a young player, a young
person whoever you could get. Confidence is important. So whether
it's against the worst defense in the league, who cares? Right,

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So now it's not can you build on this? Who
do they play next week? The Raiders who aren't very good?

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Right right?

Speaker 2 (05:12):
I mean, so that is something to keep an eye
on it. If they can build on it, then yeah,
then maybe there is some life here. I just have
a hard time extracting much from throwing it to guys
that are wide open in the NFL, because we know
that's not the case. What fifteen to sixteen of the
games that you're going to play throughout the year, especially

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in that division, which is a good defensive division.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know it's once CD Lamb got banged up. I mean,
you got Tolbert and Turpin and George Pickens and Javonte
Williams pretty good running back. But it is sure. Listen,
here's what you and I both felt coming into the
Cowboys season. This is a bad coaching staff. And I
thought today there was one point it was you know,

(05:58):
it was a four fourteen game, but it was fourteen
three first after the first quarter, and was it fourteen fourteen?
Here do I make a mistake here? I was twenty
four to fourteen. I think there was a point in
the game when Cede Lamb went out and I thought, well,
you know, they've got some pretty decent weapons. But one

(06:20):
of the things that was pretty clear is that Dak
was trying to throw the ball down the field and
was getting pretty good protection, but he couldn't. And so
once Ceedee Lamb was out of the game, he was
looking downfield. You'd see him multiple times John Dak would
be waiting and waiting to go downfield and he would
dump it off. Is that if you take Cede lamb out,

(06:42):
you can see the Cowboys have missed defensively and offensively.
They've missed on draft picks. They have a lot of
C level players.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Well, let's take the two teams. You know, coaching staffs.
You know, Ben Johnson obviously is one of the better
offensive coordinators and offensive mines in the league. And even
Brady said Dennis Allen is one of the tougher defensive coordinators.
He faces a player, and I don't think he's just
thrown out there. We've seen him when he was with
the Broncos with Peyton Manning excellent and obviously when he

(07:10):
was with Sean Payton they had a couple of years
where the Saint's defense was excellent. That's why he got
the job when Sean basically took the year off. Right,
So then you look Brian Schottenheimer hires eebra Flues. Say
what you want about Mike McCarthy, his new two defensive coordinators.
The last couple you know, stretch was Dan Quinn and
then Mike Zimmer, Right, I mean, those are obviously dan
Quinn is one of the better coaches in the league.

(07:32):
And Mike Zimmer's resume speaks for itself. So you go
from those two guys to ebra Flus. I can't get over.
I had a buddy one time tell me he had
because he was a longtime quarterback coach and he became
an offensive coordinator for like one of the worst teams
in the league. And I said, I get the money,
but can't this derail your career? He's no, He's like, actually,
this changes my career because once you go, oh, that

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guy's an offensive coordinator, whether you have success or you don't,
you just get in that mix, right. Mike McCarthy, when
he became the head coach of the Green Bay Packers,
hadn't been some dynamic offensive coordinator for years, but he
was viewed as like that was the next step. And
I think sometimes guys, you know, eber Flus becomes a
head coach, Well, if he's not a head coach, he's
then just a coordinator. You see this with Brandon Staley,

(08:15):
Well what if they're actually just position coaches, you know,
and they get in this cycle, and you know, Ben
Johnson gets to play him and was running circles around
him today. I mean the Fleet Flicker is a good
example right out the Fleet Flicker because the guy almost
got tackled the last season and he hits somep of
the guys wide openness, Like what is going on? These
guys have no clue what they're doing. So listen to
the coaching in this league. It's when you get good

(08:37):
defensive coordinators, it really stands out. The Brian Flores, the
Robert Soliz, the Vic Fangios. When you get bad ones,
it really stands out. And I think that was pretty
evident in this game with Ben Johnson, and listen, I'm
not trying to diminish Caleb Williams, but he was throwing
to do wide open guys, which is pretty unheard of.
It happens on a play, but happened play after play

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after play. I mean it was. It was a non
serious defensive performance all right.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
Time to look at this weekend's tasty as matchup. In
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Rams at one Point led twenty six to seven and
lost thirty three to twenty six to Philadelphia. My First,
I have two major takes here. First of all, the

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Rams didn't draft a corner and that was one of
the curious things. That was one of their primary needs
was maybe a quarterback for the future, and it was
a bad quarterback class, and cornerbacks they didn't and AJ
Brown eight today there was a lot of third downs
Devonte Smith and AJ Brown Rams. And it wasn't like

(09:43):
they were beaten badly. It wasn't like they were poorly
coached like Dallas. They just don't have any playmakers in
the back end. And then twice kicks get blocked. They
didn't draft a center, another position of need on that
offensive line. They're not very good at center. Got you
know Shelton who's been Shelton colebyan I think who's been
around forever and a kid out of Arkansas. They drafted

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six or seventh round and two top three times now
against Philadelphia last year, remember in the playoff game and
the Rams are driving and Jalen Carter blows up the
final play blows up. They're like six seventh round center
and then twice on field goals, it's at Jordan Davis
blowing up their field goals. Two block, one for a touchdown,

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So they didn't address a lot of what they addressed
in the offseason. You know, Devonte Adams has been a
good find. Landaman, the interior linebacker has been a good get.
But they didn't draft a corner and they they are
below average at center. And if you play Philadelphia and
you don't have people, and you don't have an elite

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corner against a j Ordavante and you can't block Jalen
Carter and Davis, you're in big trouble. And I just thought,
you know, it was a remarkable game. In the first half,
it was a coaching mismatch, like McVeigh was doing whatever
he wanted. But in the end, I think Philadelphia went
in Nick Sirianni made some adjustments and they completely dominated

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the second half. I just think when they played Philadelphia,
the interior of the Eagles defensive line just continues to
dominate the ramp. Remember the fourth and one call the
Rams made and the big guys blew that up as well.
It's like four separate plays in two years and the
Eagles are two and zero in those games because of

(11:30):
those moments.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
And even Greg Olsen said, like, I wouldn't do that
in this spot here, and McVeigh was like, ah, because
I'm with you. The Rams showed up to kick their
ass and they came out of the gates swinging, and
it's at one point in time, I think it's nineteen
to seven and a half. It felt more like thirty
to seven. It did, and you know, the yardage that
was up there was like two hundred to forty yards.

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I felt, knowing that town a little bit like, I
think this offensive coordinator is going to get fired. He's
three games in. Listen, they're the defending champs, but this
is not gonna fly. And give them credit. They came
out and they just started throwing it to eleven. They said,
you know what, and Greg also kept saying it, like,
just target him. Remember in the first game he had
one target. Just throw the ball to eleven, and they

(12:16):
just started doing that. Some of it, it's not like
Jalen is throwing these frozen ropes. Some of them are
kind of floating in the air. AJ's attacking it, He's
throwing the guy off them. It's one of the great
turnarounds of Sirianni's career in a one game situation, because
I thought this thing's weird I mean, are they about
to get blown out at home with people booing their offense?
And I don't feel like it's a bad rap because

(12:37):
they always boo. Well, I mean, that's what are they
supposed to do? Chucker.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
I mean at halftime, it was one hundred and fifteen
yards rushing for the Rams, thirty four for the Eagles.
Rams had basically one hundred yards passing. Philadelphia had minus one.
I mean the game was nineteen to seven at half,
and no question it should have been like twenty seven
to seven or thirty to seven. It was a complete mismatch.
But again, you know there.

Speaker 2 (13:03):
Was some Mafford missed a couple passes down the stretch too.

Speaker 1 (13:06):
There was also Pooka dropped a touchdown pass in the
end zone. It wasn't an easy catch, but he should
have made it. It was one of these games when
I look at Stafford. If he's out of rhythm and
he missed a couple of passes, both in the red zone,
you don't get anything out of the pocket. And I
felt like he didn't have his best game. I thought

(13:26):
in the second half he just was out of rhythm.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
One defining moment that's kind of like a you know,
football in the weeds. But they mentioned on the broadcast
too that Lane Johnson gets hurt, hurts his neck, and
it goes that can't be good, and they put in
the backup, and the backup is just getting destroyed. I
mean they were putting Verse over there and they got
no shot. Well then a couple series they benched that
guy and go to another backup and he's dramatically better.

(13:54):
And to me, that's kind of the defining attribute of
this organization. They're pretty ruthless, Like just because you're the
quote quote back and you're not getting it done, you'll
blast two series you're out of there throwing another guy.
And that helped change the game because there was a
moment where you went well with Lane Johnson out the
physicality of the Rams, their front with Verse, with Young
with Fisk, like they're taking over this game. I mean,

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Jalen was you know, sometimes he struggles a little bit,
it feels like he's just out of rhythm, but today
he was under siege in that first half getting destroyed.
So you know, I think it shouldn't be that complicated.
Like the Rams they throw it to Puka Nakua all
the time. Well, no, shit, Like, how does this take
you so long to throw to aj Brown? Especially with
Saquan you know, the game plan was this force Jalen

(14:37):
to stay within the pocket where he's not as comfortable,
and uh corral Saquon Barkley. Well, if one thing Jalen
is good at is throwing outside the numbers, anyone in
the league will tell you that. Obviously on the move
throwing the ball down the field, but even in the pocket,
throwing outside the numbers is something he's very comfortable doing.
And clearly they got two, you know, elite wide receivers.

(14:58):
I mean, they probably have one of, if not the
best one to two combination in the league. And it
looked like it was broken and then it wasn't. And
then like you said, I mean Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter,
I mean, these guys are blue chipper. Did you see
how fast Jordan Davis? I know he's lost weight, but
on that field goal block he was at one point

(15:18):
in time he it was taking like two steps to
cover five yards. I'm like, I don't think people realize
even though he no longer weighs three fifty and maybe
weigs three twenty five, the movement on this human being.
And he's not even their star defensive tackle, that's Jalen Carter.
So that was that was a blue chip game all
the way around. Like I don't view the Rams that
much differently, like I think like watching the Niners, like

(15:41):
I would say today the Rams are a better team
currently than the forty nine ers. But listen, I mean,
at the end of the day, you got to find
a way to win a game that you are controlling
on the road. All the different Eagles did not have life.
They had no life.

Speaker 1 (15:52):
The Eagles have a star in every unit. The Rams
at corner they really need work.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
But we most teams don't have, you know, Deon Sanders,
Dureux reevas out there. So especially once AJ gets going,
you'd think you would cheat a little bit and give
him some help. I mean, they left him on an
island and AJ was just throwing whoever was on him
one on one, just over his shoulder. They're just you know,
working another five, ten, twenty yards down the field.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
It's amazing what happens in these games. This Puka drops
a touchdown in the fourth quarter, then they they want
to take a field goal to go up twenty nine
to twenty one and it gets blocked and it's like,
oh shit. And then Hertz hits DeVante Smith twenty eight,
twenty six. They lead, but that touchdown when it's dropped,

(16:40):
then the field goal is blocked and you're like, there's
just two plays and that's what the Eagles do. They
just got a hand on the puka on the on
the puka, drop just enough body on it, and then
they block the kick. And so when you have these moments,
Dallas had these a couple of weeks ago when they
played Philadelphia. You have these moments. And when when you
play Philadelphia and you have these moments, you have to

(17:04):
make the plays. Because they've shown they're an uneven football team.
They have really bad halves. It's not that rare for
Jalen Hurts to have a really bad half. He had
a bad half against the Rams in the playoff game,
like he has. This team is uneven, but when their
horsepower revs up and they get momentum, I mean, Saquan's
not even running. He hasn't been nearly as effective. But

(17:26):
when they get going and they get that pass rush,
and over the course of a game, they're defensive front
wears you out. And I felt like at the end
of the game, the Rams had all these card tricks
and then that just came down to personnel, and the
Eagles had better personnel.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
I also think when you have, you know, a guy
like Saquon Barkley that terrifies these defensive coordinators that at
any moment can go fifty if you screw up a lane.
They spend so much effort trying to corral him. Well,
they got Jalen Hurts, who at any moment they can
just do that kind a keeper play and then he
can go. And you saw with Kyler Murray when you

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have a guy, those guys want to throw it like
Jalen no longer wants to run it, but at any
moment when he has to, he can gets you seven yards. So,
like you said, yeah, he could be terrible, but at
any moment he could just gain them a momentum play
with his own legs, because you spend all your effort
going on Saquon, Like, I don't think Saquan's numbers so
far through the beginning of the year look great. Can

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you imagine the emphasis Monday through Saturday that the defensive
coordinators are screaming at the units to stop him, so
and that's where Jalen and they always have that in
their back pocket and they've used it a couple times
in the second half of just let him get to
the edges. Because even when you walk, like when you
watch Kyler, he looks like a wide receiver or something
with the bond in his hands. Sometimes Jalen when he's running,
he doesn't even look that fast, but he's just a

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smooth runner and he's very natural in space. He had
one run today for like eight nine yards in the
second half. That is just something they can kind of
keep in their back pocket. And let's face it, they
play in a lot of close games because their offense
has kind of been anemic this year.

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(19:32):
because the two big ones Bears, Cowboys, Rams, Eagles, we've discussed.
I'll go with the Chargers beating the Broncos twenty three
to twenty. You know, it was a Mario Hampton at
his first touchdown. One of my takeaways in this game
is that, especially in the last several drives for both teams,

(19:52):
Herbert's talent shines. And as I watch bone Nicks, because
he had sixty one college starts, John he came into
this league very close to his ceiling and I think
we've seen it, and as I watched him today, my
takeaway is this is what he is. Where I think

(20:12):
with Herbert Harbaugh has taking him to another level, and
then Caleb Williams, but I feel that with Trevor Lawrence,
everybody's waiting for the next pop and this is what
Trevor Lawrence is. He's kind of a long strider, gets
balls batted down despite his size, can miss some open things,
sees the field okay, not exceptionally. And I watched bon

(20:36):
Nick today and he had a big play of Courtland Sutton,
but again he was wide open. It was a blown
coverage by the Chargers and he had a couple of
really impressive scrambles. But I watched Herbert hit Keenan Allen
on a huge play and the moments of the game
where you needed great athletes to make great plays. I
kind of feel like what bo Nix is, this is

(20:58):
it and if you're way for a jump, you're not
really gonna get it. That was my takeaway watching this
game today.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Franklin had a drop two in the end zone that
you know would have been a touchdown. But uh, there's
no disputing the two guys. I mean to me, justin
Herbert is I mean, Patrick Mahomes is going to play
a little bit later tonight, but he's been right there
with Josh Allen Lamar Jacksons the best quarterbacks in the
league so far. Do you notice they are throwing deep
bombs to Quinn Johnson multiple against I mean, telling uncork

(21:27):
it and he missed him today on one, but at
once he made. He gonna hit him again, Yeah he made.
But they are throwing go routes and post routes to
one and Herbert is letting him fly. I mean the
play he made a Keenan Allen for the game tying
touchdown was josh Allen Mahomes and that's bon Nicks doesn't
have that in the back I thought this was a

(21:49):
kitchen sink game for Denver. Chargers played what Monday night
on the road, a late pushback because it was a
seven o'clock kickoff, so what time whatever? They get back
to the offices two to three in the more, you're
all thrown off Monday shot because you played Tuesday. You
barely slept. You're trying to get a game plan together.
They are behind the eight ball. Denver coming off a

(22:10):
bad loss. You think would be motivated had extra time,
and when they're up twenty to thirteen, you're like, this
is gonna be a really impressive win for that in
their career, and not that terrible of a loss by
the Chargers, like short week, you didn't even play that bad.
You're missing Khalil Mack. It's not the end of the world.
And they found a way to win. I mean, you
called them, what the greatest coach of all time? Yes, well,

(22:33):
he's in full control. He's beat every team in the
division through three games. Their defense is pretty dominance, but don.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
John, I mean, it's amazing that they had a blown
coverage to Courtland Sutton, but they went and drafted a
couple of corners in the fifth round. They have the
stickiest secondary. I mean, because I think Denver's got some
pretty quick young weapons. It's amazing. This was the worst
defense in the league twenty games ago, the worst by
a long shot. They are sticky. There's just not a

(23:02):
lot open.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
What wasn't I mean it's probably you know, toward the
end of twenty twenty three when they gave up what
sixty or seventy points. So the Raiders on that Thursday
night gamey Brandon Staley the night he was fired, I
wrote down as Derwin James, it's early the defensive player
of the year. I mean, he's on that path. I mean,
the way they talk about him, how versatile he is
for him that they're tackling, you know, looking back like

(23:25):
Harbass team. Let's say with the forty nine Ers, Like,
of course they tackled blow they had Dante Hitner, they
had Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman. Right, this team's like who
are these guys? You know, you know, Derwin James, Khalil Mack,
but who are some of these and they are hitting
like they're the most physical defense in the league. And
Denver technically was that last year. And it feels like
the Chargers have already if not matched or passed them.

(23:47):
And we know they got the better quarterback. Right you
could argue early in the season like Herbert's every bit
as good as Patrick Mahomes, if not better the way
he's playing right now, in the factor, in the weapons.
So you go, they got an elite quarterback, they got
the best defense. We know they got an elite co
not just a coach at coaching staff. How about. I
was thinking about this the other day, is we've been
hard over the years and rightfully so, like Belichick's coaching

(24:08):
tree is atrocious, it's like the opposite of like Bill
Walsh's underrated coaching tree. And it's like an organization is
the Ravens, you know forever back in the day with
Billick all the defensive coordinators, and then with Hardball all
the different.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Guys got Jesse Miner.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
Jesse Mentor is basically Mike McDonald two point zero, and
Jim Harbaugh just took him from John and look at it,
this guy. They create such great defensive coordinators that in
a day and age where we go, we gotta have
an offensive guy and you're the one beating that drum
and you're like, well, this guy's so good, I might
as well hire him to be my head coach. That's
how good there guys are. I mean, let's face it,
how's this guy not going to be a head coach
at the end of this year. I mean he's he's

(24:45):
basically just doing Mike McDonald again. And we saw. Let's
look how good Mike McDonald is. I mean, Seattle looks
really good. There were three games.

Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah, no, it's it was a gut check win. When
you come out, you don't have the prep time, you
don't play particularly well in the first half. Nase Harris,
by the way, that thing, this thing is just not worked.
He got the fourth of July fireworks, he had eye damage.
Then he gets injured, his hurt, so it's like Hampton's
actually had a little bit of a life. I mean

(25:14):
a little bit. So it feels like, you know, they're
very lucky. They drafted Joe Alt right and everybody said
a receiver, and then Slater gets hurt and Joe Alt's
been terrific, and then they bring in you know, Nause
Harris and Hampton sort of starts slow. The Nase Harris
thing doesn't work, so and then you know, people kind

(25:35):
of went is Hampton like a first round running back.
The truth is they the guys they've drafted have worked.
I mean they've drafted guys and they have needed them
and they have delivered.

Speaker 2 (25:45):
And sometimes you also need I don't even want to
say luck in a personnel move, but just something to
work out in your favor. And listen, they broke up
with keenan Allen a year ago when they traded him
and he was available, and they brought him back, and
that thing looks like an excellent pickup because Keen Allen,
I mean, through three weeks, makes huge plays for him.
Their style now technically right now they would have home

(26:07):
games potentially, but if they had to go, if they
end up the two or three seed and have to
go on the road in the playoffs, translates right, play defense,
elite quarterback, run the ball, play in low scoring, ugly
games like that works in January. You know what we
always said about like Mike McDaniels in the TUA situation,
like this is not going to work in the playoffs

(26:27):
when it gets cold. Harbaugh works in the playoffs when
it gets cold. So I think their stuff is gonna translate. Obviously,
it comes down to health I do think it's pretty important.
And they also avoided disaster in that Khalil Mack when
he got injured that moment on Monday night. You thought
that he snapped his arm or something. Well it turns
out he might just miss a month and be okay.
And you see him on the sideline. He's got the

(26:47):
thing on. Maybe if he's able to come back and
be Khalil Mack that because I think that would have
been a move like they could replace Slater because they
had Alt, Like you don't replace that physical pa and
so you get him back to go with Derwin James
and their overall defensive presence. I think whatever Harbaugh does
with his quarterbacks, the mental psychology that he plays of

(27:09):
you know, some people think it's corny and hyperbolic or whatever,
but he knows what he's doing. You know, he's a
little more intelligent when it comes to the motivation aspect
that I think he gets credit for. Because Herbert, I mean,
Herbert looks like John Elway or something right now in
his prime. How special is his Isn't it crazy? Looking
back that Tuatonga Bai Lowell was drafted above justin Herbert.

(27:32):
That's one that's gonna age in time, Like, how did
that happen? How do we sit in the draft for
room and put those two guys together and take this
one over that one? Like it's it's pretty crazy. Now
it's easy to say money because even the Chargers, I think,
kind of said that we probably would have taken two
over him. But like when you watch the two of
them several years later, like this is a different stratosphere
of player.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Yeah, I mean size matters. I said it this week
on FS one. How's Bryce Young, tou Kyler, Murray, johnny
Man's Well, you know, you start looking at these guys,
Russell Wilson, size matters. Herbert six' five, hose big, arm physical.
PLAYER i mean it's Just i'm. Sorry if he put

(28:12):
on fifteen, pounds it could be a tight end in the.
League it. Matters he's just got so much.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Horsepower there was a play today it was like third
and nine with you know the if The cardinals get
the first, down they could probably ice the. Game what
Happens Fred warner tips the. Ball kyler's five to. Nine,
yeah and Unlike, bryce he's an elite, athlete so he
can make these crazy. Plays but you're sitting in a.
Pocket when you're five, nine five, ten it's much harder to.

(28:36):
SEE i, know we went through this stretch where it's
like we love these five to ten. QUARTERBACKS i like
my guys to be six five and run four sixes
with huge. Arms i'll Take Justin. Herbert you can take
a little.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Guy, Okay colts forty, One titans. Twenty Cam ward had
a bad pick six. Early they asked him to throw
once again thirty eight times on the. Road good. Luck
The Daniel jones thing is. Fascinating SO J mack was
joking last, week is he the New? Baker And i'm, like,
well he doesn't throw the ball as well As, baker
and he's not as athletic As. Darnold he could be

(29:08):
the NEXT. Geno BUT i looked at some numbers. Today
he was seven of nine down the field ten plus.
TODAY i Mean Jonathan. Taylor you start looking at their
Personnel Between Pierce Warren, Pittman Josh, Downs Jonathan, taylor they
average seven yards of. Play Daniel jones is throwing the
ball down the? Field is he eighteen to twenty five

(29:31):
two hundred and thirty? YARDS i mean, again he's running the.
Offense john at four. PENALTIES i didn't how many. Turnovers
first of, ALL i think the roster is better than
people give it credit. FOR i think they have really
interesting offensive. PERSONNEL i mean they've got if your number
three receiver Is Josh, downs pretty good number three receiver

(29:53):
considering you have an excellent tight, end a star running.
Back remember that The broncos got no pass, rush and
The broncos get a pass rush on, everybody and they
were pretty much stymied against The. Colts BUT i Watched
Daniel jones today and you, know he's, big he. Moves
we talked about. It he's like a, stronger Bigger Alex.

(30:15):
SMITH i sat and watched them, today AND i think
they're gonna win this division BECAUSE i think they have
probably probably have the best offensive. COACH i think their
roster top to, BOTTOM i don't. KNOW i Watched Daniel
jones today and he's making big throws down the.

Speaker 2 (30:33):
Field i'd be sunned if they didn't win the. Division
he made several throws down the middle of the field
that hitting guys in. STRIDE i can't Imagine shane Steike
and And Chris ballard when they see themselves in the hallway
over the last couple of weeks or this, guy this
guy was a lifeline for. Them he was you, know
they were, drowning they were in. Trouble they were gonna get. Fired,
Anthey richison was gonna you, know and some of these

(30:54):
reports have come out that the owner forced them to take,
him like it didn't even sound like they want to take.
Them but they pivoted and they Got Daniel, jones who looks,
like not only is he going to save their, careers
but he's resurrecting. HISS i, mean he's gonna get a contract, extension,
yes like you do you entertain you, know if you
are eleven twelve wins giving him an extension in the

(31:17):
season like years ninety million dollars or something like you
with the personnel you have and the coach you, have
it makes.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
Sense, yeah and you wouldn't get burned in that division,
AGAIN i, mean because The jags are tied to their.
Quarterback houston's tied to. Theirs tennessee for three, years is
tied To. Theirs you're not Facing herbert And Mahomes Josh.
Allen you're facing you, know solid quarterback. Play so my
TAKEAWAY i JUST i Know Chris. BAALDERD i like, him

(31:46):
AND i said this last. Week chris had, talked you,
know they scrimmaged against The packers and The, ravens you,
know in, preseason and his takeaway, was we can play
with these. Teams our personnel matches. Up are we as?
GOOD i don't, know but he felt like watching, it
he was, like you, know we've got, Guys we've got.
DUDES i think in that. Division you know we've said,

(32:08):
This Baker mayfield in the division he's, in he Is
Josh allen in that. Division he's got three straight game winning,
drives so it does. Matter AND i Think Daniel jones he's,
young he's, big he's, strong nice. WEAPONS i don't. KNOW
i just watched, him AND i Think Daniel jones would
not have Happened John ten fifteen years ago in this.

(32:29):
League but there's so many good offensive coaches that you
have this ability on your third and fourth team to
pop and resurrect your.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Career, well we talked about it earlier With schottenheimer And.
EBERFLUS i think The cults are kind of the. Opposite
they pivoted Off Gus bradley and they got Lou, amruno
who like three years, ago was viewed as one of
the best defensive. Coordinators and guess, what The browns are
cheap or you, know The brown family is with The,
bengals so they let a lot of guys go and.

(32:55):
This you know in, college you and me could run
a program if we had by far the best. Roster
it's gonna be hard for us if you AND i
were coaching the team to not be really. Good that's
not the way the pros. Work we see a lot
of talented teams lose a lot of. Games you need
good players and you need good. Coaching so they got
Lou Am maruno And Shane sichin and now they got
just a. FUNK i would say he's more than functional right.

(33:16):
Now When Alex smith resurrected his career with With harbaugh
and then even early on With, andy he was not
the player that he became at the end when they
pivoted To Patrick, mahomes he was a lot better than
and then he went To. Washington before he got, Injured
alex was playing at a high. Level Daniel jones kind
of went from really really crappy the last couple of
years to the guy we're watching right. Now is just
playing really. Well, yeah like he because of the conference he's,

(33:39):
in he's but it's like he's having A Pro bowl
like season distributing the. Ball they have a bunch of,
playmakers they have good coaching. Staff they can run the.
Ball their defense is. Good houston's and. SHAMBLES i MEAN.
Cj stroud's going the wrong. Way oh not all his
fault o line, sucks running games sucks.

Speaker 1 (33:56):
Things they're.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
Not they can't run run ball at. All they're good on,
defense that's. It they're good on, defense and their offense
is basically a. Negative and you Watch, jacksonville they just
kind of seem like. Meh SO i think The colts
are in the driver's seat as long as they Keep
Daniel jones. Healthy and they deserve credit for making this.
MOVE i said the moment they made the, Move i'd

(34:18):
be stunned if this guy doesn't. Start AND i think
WHEN i was on Your The Fox, SHOW i said
that this guy could you, know resurrect his career because
just we've seen. It so it happened so. Recently quarterback
with some skills get what gets with a offensive, mind
right In, Baker Sam, darnold Now Daniel. Jones we've seen
a lot of these, guys you, know because of the

(34:39):
impatience of the MODERN, nfl WHICH i do think is.
Fair like you're not just gonna keep rolling a guy
out if it doesn't, Work but that doesn't mean a
guy can't go somewhere. Else it's having people believe in
you is, powerful AND i can imagine it was probably
pretty clear To Daniel, jones LIKE i not only these
guys believe in, me BUT i think we could, Be
LIKE i could be a good player. Here it's clearly.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Working steelers twenty, One New england. FOURTEEN i had probably
the toughest three beats of the. Year New england beat
themselves five, turnovers bad, decisions multiple. Penalties aaron made a
couple of nice, throws one to metcalf they and another

(35:21):
To Calvin. Austin, again like you struggled to give The bears,
Credit it's hard for me to give The steelers credit
in this. Way, Say New england beat. Themselves it was.
Funny vrabels looks very patient on the. Sidelines he doesn't
show his. DISGUST i, mean he knows he has a young,
team he has a young. Quarterback, YEAH i JUST i

(35:42):
watched this, game and my takeaway, Was, jesus The steelers
just made fewer. Mistakes they made enough. PLAYS i Like Drake,
may AND i THINK i said this last week and
the week, before like he needs another fifty. Starts he
just makes too many. MISTAKES i, mean he threw a

(36:03):
red zone pick that was completely. Inexcusable it. WAS i,
mean it was as bad as a red zone. Pick
and by the, way The Cowboys milton and dak through
interceptions in the end, zone it was. Worse where are
you On Drake?

Speaker 2 (36:19):
May, YEAH i mean his numbers actually didn't look, terrible
but if you watch the, game the red zone, Pick
i'd put, that gloves interceptions as the picks of the. Day,
yeah his fumble was. AWFUL i mean they had four
fumbles and they lost all four of. Them The steelers
were my favorite bet of the. Week, Uh And i'm with.
YOU i was shocked how close the game. Was you

(36:40):
get five turnovers and you don't win if you're a
good team by twenty plus. Points their offense doesn't do
much In. Pittsburgh it's not a you, know well oiled.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
Machine they can't Consistently.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
No And aaron some of his big plays so far this,
year just kind of throw it up like that's not
really an offense that they have no sustained. Drives, defensively to,
me they look pretty. FUTRID i, mean this was WHY
i kind of bet on them being a solid. Team
IS i thought they were gonna be maybe not top
two or three, defense but definitely a top ten. DEFENSE
i just don't think their defense looks very good. Now

(37:15):
they made some plays. Today they, caused you, know a
fumble at the goal, line the pick drake throw it
right to. Them they easily could have lost this. GAME
i mean They i'm out On. PITTSBURGH i don't think
they're very good right. Now same AND i think one
concerning part is we have seen guys invested In Miles.
Garrett they gave him a bunch of. Money Miles garrett
is a. Freak he's one of the most talented guys

(37:36):
in the. League you, Know Max. Crosby every team in
the league would line up to Get Max. CROSBY i
think there is some. CONCERN i know he fell on a,
fumble BUT i THINK tj does look his age a little,
bit and they just gave him one hundred million dollars,
yep BECAUSE i thought their defense was just going to
be flying around hitting, people and you watch, him they
just they don't really get to the. QUARTERBACK i don't,

(37:56):
Know I'M i would be pretty, concerned especially as THE
afc opens wide. Up The texan stink burrows. Out The
bengals are. Done it should actually that The broncos are
currently one and. Two but if you're A steeler, fan you've,
watched you, GO i don't feel great about my team
even though we're two and.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
One, yeah, No and that's HOW i. Feel you, KNOW
i wrote all my notes down, here And, aaron by the,
way had a bad. Pick BUT i mean JUST i
mean it was fourteen to Nothing pittsburgh, early and you
KNOW i wrote down doesn't feel. Dominating it's just they're

(38:33):
going to struggle to put teams. Away AND i also
think one of the problems, is And i've talked about
this a, Lot, john if you can't run the, football
what happens is in the second, half your defense is
on the field for too many. Snaps like, today The
bears ran the football. Well the defense for The bears
in the fourth quarter was getting a pass. Rush guys
had great energy and a lot of it was because

(38:55):
They chicago ran the, ball especially in the third, quarter
and you can extend drives AND i Have pittsburgh again they,
score but they. Don't it's it's not like you feel
really good about this team on third. Down SO i, mean,
listen you are what your record. Is BUT i of
any game, TODAY i Felt New england gave the game,
away had like four different opportunities in the second half

(39:18):
to win and either fumbles or penalties killed each.

Speaker 2 (39:21):
One, well the other thing not being able to run the.
Ball they play in a division where it gets really.
Cold they play in a cold weather, place, right so
you're going to have to run the ball and play.
Defense When i'm looking at their, schedule you, know starting
about Mid november home against The, bengals at The, bears
home against The, bills at The, ravens at The browns
home against The. Rape these games are not going to

(39:43):
Be San francisco seventy. DEGREES i, mean it's going to
be really. Cold he's not going to be able to
just sling it. Around he's an older. Quarterback so one
thing gets pretty clear is these older, guys once the
weather turns harder for them to stay loose they THEY
i Think rogers already looks his.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Age, yes what's he.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
Going to look like like when it's thirty degrees and
ye windy At baltimore or In pittsburgh when it's freezing.
Cold we Saw roethlisberger at the end when it got.
Cold it's. Hard you don't look is? Limber you?

Speaker 1 (40:10):
REALLY i mean, listen that to me.

Speaker 2 (40:12):
Would be really concerning for. Me if our defense and
we can't run the, ball what happens when the weather?

Speaker 1 (40:16):
Turns, YEAH i MEAN i Thought Matt stafford today a little.
Bit there were times you're, like, Boy, Matt matt looked
off and, like well.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
He got hit and they started saying he started kind
of touching his. Back he, went, oh.

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(42:20):
games that aren't worth a ton of. Times seattle forty
Four saints. Thirteen what's remarkable As seattle had thirty eight
to six at half and only had the ball seven.
MINUTES i don't remember ever watching a pro football game
where the first half felt LIKE i was watching a
pro football team against the college. TEAM i, Mean New

(42:40):
orleans was awful special, teams, defense. OFFENSE i don't know If.
SEATTLE i, mean if you took the national champions in
college football and, said if you took last Year's Ohio state,
team would they trail thirty eight to? Six it Was i'm.
Serious New orleans is right now as bad as a

(43:02):
team can. GET i don't and AGAIN i Picked seattle
in the. Playoffs you, know they've really figured out how
to Use. Darnald it's really. Effective it's a lot of
pitch and. Catch they've they don't put him in bad.
Spots they're not impatient like they they They John. Snyder
they went and Got Sam dartle and they had a

(43:23):
game plan on how to use, him and it's really.
Effective he's not going to put up the numbers In.
Minnesota but this, defense this run. Game, like AS i Watch,
seattle my take is that's an. Organization you, Know, Seattle
john has been better run than people think They've they've
been a really. So they draft, well they developed, well
they've generally Been they've kind of done a pretty good

(43:46):
job to remain in their. Division they're always. COMPETITIVE i
Watch seattle right, NOW i mean they Blew pittsburgh. Out In.
Pittsburgh If darnald doesn't, hit he created his own fumble
there in the red zone to Beat San. FRANCISCO i
Think seattle is really good right.

Speaker 2 (44:04):
Now, YEAH i mean this is what we talked about
with quarterback and offensive coordinator. Cohesion you, know they Get,
kubiak who knew him and it. Fits he fits in
The shanahan. Offense AND i think it was either the
first OR i think it was their first touchdown that
he threw TO. Jsn it's like he's a good. Athlete
get him on the move and they ran him out

(44:25):
because in this, offense you, know you Saw Mac jones
day doesn't move that well and it kind of limits
what the forty nine ers can do on offense because
a huge part of The shanahan, offense Which kubiak might
as well be A shanahan, cousin is the boot, action
getting your quarterback on the, move And sam has a big.
Arm i'm with. YOU i Think mike McDonald is a.
STUD i MEAN i think he is big. Time and

(44:48):
this division right, now all three teams are two and
one in the nine ers three and. ZERO i MEAN
i think all these, teams or all four of the
teams are. Feisty you. KNOW i think The rams when
they're on With stafford are the. Best, obviously The niners
are just well coached now with With sala in the,
defense and When perty comes. BACK i Think seattle's high.
End they have a bunch of, young explosive. Players and

(45:10):
if The, CARDINALS i mean they might end up being
the worst team in the. Division they are not that.
BAD i, mean you, Know kyler is a bizarre player
because he's, LIKE i don't know if he's, good but
he's definitely not, bad and he can make enough. Plays
he's tough to play because he's so. Fast he actually
has pretty good touch on his, throats like he's not you,
know you, know you Watch kleb sometimes like they're a

(45:32):
little because he throws so. Hard kyler has GREAT i
don't know if it's the baseball in. Him this division's.
TOUGH i, mean to, me it's wide. OPEN i wouldn't
even say The cardinals are out of. It but you,
KNOW i Think seattle and The, rams who technically have you,
know two and one versus nine ers three and zero
by no. MEANS i, mean this is this is gonna
come down to the. Wire they're all gonna beat up
on each. OTHER i do Think seattle home fields kind

(45:55):
of awoke this. Year it, feels you, know The niners
went up there and, won but that place was loud and.
ROCKING i think they kind of got their swag. Back,
LISTEN i Think Sam, donald if you can Get Sam
donald for a cheaper price Than Gino smith and Flip
gino for a third round, PICK i think it was
kind of a no brainer, move especially get a little.
Younger AND i think the one thing you see With,

(46:17):
gino AND i Bet sam has some of this, too
Is gino's thirty, five thirty six years, old older player thirty.
Four he doesn't play well against good.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Teams he doesn't so.

Speaker 2 (46:27):
Forever when he was Against seattle for those couple of
years stretch when The niners were really, good he was
terrible against. Them, yeah you watch him against The, chargers
he's completely. Overwhelmed watching the day Against, washington they felt
kind of. Overwhelmed Where, sam, like, listen he's a decade,
younger seven eight years, younger.

Speaker 1 (46:44):
And he, Was, yeah he was always a better, asking
it moves much.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
Better they both have huge, arms and he's just playing
at a higher. Level SO i think it was a
relatively easy move for, him and it's definitely gonna pay
off long.

Speaker 1 (46:57):
Term it wasn't a very fun game to Watch San.
Francisco The niners Beat arizona sixteen to. Fifteen Nick bosa
got banged. Up arizona for a, long spelled dominated time of.
Possession you, know it's one of those games where AGAIN
I i don't have a strong take Because Mac jones.
Played you're very limited what you can do With Mac.

(47:18):
JONES i mean, again when he is stationary and has
time to, throw he can be really. Good you, know
today there's limitations on what you can. Do of, course
there was that safety which gave you know in the
end zone where you, Know ARIZONA i thought was going
to pull this thing. OUT i don't know what it
is exactly with the injuries With San. FRANCISCO i, mean

(47:40):
it's a perpetual. ISSUE i don't, know you. Know and
AGAIN i think they've missed on enough draft. PICKS i
think they've gotten. Old and one of my predictions was
this year IS i Like San. Francisco but two things
can be. True they're, old brittle and expensive at key,
spots they're already banged. UP i, mean what do you
think they look? LIKE i mean the win, today but

(48:01):
what do you think they look like in six to eight.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
WEEKS i would say, this they've hit on some young.
Players Ricky pierce all to day was a man amongst
boys Like Ricky, pierson Like Marvin. Harrison so far as a, whiff,
yeah like that's the. Shock if they get a, redo
they would Go Mo league neighbors Over Marvin. Harrison ricky
piersall in like a three game, stretch looks like a
number one wide. Receiver Mikekel, williams the dude they drafted From,

(48:25):
georgia was making big time. Plays Dee winners who Replaced Drey.
Greenlaw looks like he's going hand in hand right there
With fred flying around hitting. People so they've hit on
some young. Guys the problem Is kittle's. Missing party's been out. Now,
Granted mac Mac, jones you win two games as a backup.
Quarterback i've said this last. Week you win one, game

(48:46):
you earn your. Salary you win, two you're. Underpaid Mac
jones immediately two games win led up on a game winning.
Drive he's, underpaid but he's already banged, up lipping Around
bosa like the first couple. Drives hirch his knee out
for the. GAME i saw that they are going to
get test. Tomorrow they don't don't believe it to be IN.
Acl that would be. Devastating trent's looked. Old he is.

(49:07):
OLD i, mean you, Know kittle's been. Missing so, yeah
they are just they're pretty dependent on their high end
guys if they're going to compete at the highest level
with The, eagles with The, rams which any with any
team in THE, afc but for the most, part they
don't play any these teams well inside The, rams they
play a lot of bad teams on their. Schedule so
this is WHY i picked them to make the. Playoffs
now can they go for in the? Playoffs not if

(49:28):
they're not, healthy but they can have a successful. Season
and today, COACHING i, Mean Robert sala has been incredible
for yes th three. Games, yeah their defense is flying.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Around, yeah and last year it was funny If bosa
got banged. Up last, year it felt like a major
personnel issue and yet this year it. Doesn't so that's
just it's just like it's just Like Jim harbaugh last,
Year you're, like, oh outside Of Derwin James Khalil, mack
chargers just don't have enough. Dudes why are they all great?

(49:59):
Now so much of his coaching in this, league AND
i do think we're seeing a slight pivot back to
the respectability of defensive Coaches, Sala mike, McDonald Jesse, Mintter Brian.
Floores LIKE i think you AND i have talked a
lot this year about some great defensive. COACHES i, Mean
Todd bowles deserves credit The. Jets The jets were, inept

(50:21):
they scored three touchdowns in eleven. Minutes that game was,
awful and Then. Baker BUT i Mean Todd bowles deserves.
Credit like there's no, ego very. Chill BUT i you
know WHAT i think is really. INTERESTING i would get
IF i ran The. DOLPHINS i would get out from
Under Chris greer THE, gm AND i would get out

(50:43):
from Under tua's. Contract i'd do WHAT i had to.
Do IF i had to cut, him IF i had
to trade, HIM i. WOULD i never quite know what
to do With Kyler murray, because unlike to he's actually
very elusive and highly. ATHLETIC i think he has better,
arm although it's not a great. ARM i think they're
times he just can't see. DOWNFIELD i don't know what

(51:04):
you do With Kyler, murray what do you?

Speaker 2 (51:07):
Do, YEAH i think you're kind of. STUCK i actually
thought he played pretty decent. TODAY i, mean he just
makes so many plays with his. Legs there's just a
ceiling with. Him like he's never Like jalen can drive you,
nuts but he makes enough. Throws if aj And DeVante
are rowland from the pocket outside the, numbers you, Know
kyler's very hit or missed that. Way most of his explosive.

(51:29):
Plays it feels like as a thrower come from on the, move,
which of, course he's probably one, of if not the
best athletes in the entire. League like if you told
Me kyler just like a quick quarterback tomorrow and learned
how to play, Corner i'd be, LIKE i bet he
could be a really good nickel. Corner you know HE'S
i mean guys could Like Mac jones couldn't start on
defense for a high school. Team SO i think. THAT

(51:50):
i think The cardinals are pretty well. Coached they're, tough you.
KNOW i thought it just he just got. Limitations but
what do you? Do this IS i had this thought
watching The thursday night game with Tua. IS i think
it's so easy and we saw all these backup. Quarterbacks
it it's been like this forever With dak and The
purdies and The. COUSINS i think it's easy to, say,

(52:11):
hey you, know for that second tier. Guys of, course
if you got the elite, guy you just ride him
to the wheels fall off for fifteen. Years but if
you got that next tier, guys where it's, like could
we do better than brock, perty could we do better Than?
Dak sure you probably could if you can Find Justin herbert.
Somewhere because ALL i heard all off SEASON i was probably.
Guilty this, too is, like, oh look at these quarterbacks in.

(52:32):
College i've been flipping around the last couple of weeks
And i'm not seeing a College so it should because
unlike AND i say this all the, time like, basketball for,
example when you see these guys coming out of high,
school they're gonna be a lock top ten, pick right
as long as they're. Healthy when you start hearing About
Gilbert areenez's son Or Marcus spears son or, whoever these
guys whether they be maybe they have incredible college or

(52:55):
college years and go number one, overall but worst case,
scenario go Shitty Ron harper's kid and go two or three,
Right but in, football hype doesn't mean anything once you
start playing the. Games all, HERE Dj, LAGWAY Dj lagway
stinks or Arch, manning maybe he's injured or, Whatever but
no one could draft him in the first round right.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Now, No i'm not sure he's a draftable period right.

Speaker 2 (53:16):
Now, well no he's. Not but you just go around
the country all these guys that you, hear and then
there'll be a couple that kind of come out of.
Nowhere but it's hard to replace to let Alone Kyler.
Murry like who are you replacing them? With you don't
have any. Options So i've actually kind of come around
of LIKE i get it, NOW i wouldn't want to
be in position to pay, him but LIKE i, do

(53:38):
AND i think they're always paid too. Much it's, like
who are you negotiating Against? Fortua you couldn't offer him three,
years one hundred millions to, SAY i like.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
The day they signed, HIM i, said you're gonna regret.
This this is a bad.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Contract same thing With Kyler. Murray it's like remember when
they rushed into it after three? Years like why are
we doing? This like how is the agent taking you
guys to? School BUT i do understand is writing it
out for a couple of, years because who do you
have to replace? Him? NOW i do think you get
to a point where you get in a situation Like Anthony,
Richardson you're, like this is not we can't play like, this,

(54:11):
Right but when you Get Kyler, murray who could they
find available that could come in and Beat Kyler murray?
Out Even Sam? Donald let's say now he got fifty million,
dollars but let's just say in a world a year
or two, ago they could have got him for ten million.
Dollars are we Sure Sam donald in a training camp
situation Where kyler already knows the office could beat him. Out,
no there's, not especially if it's just like truly an open,

(54:33):
competition there's no, Guarantee and you're, like why are we
gonna waste ten million dollars on a competition with someone
that probably won't beat him out where we could use
those resources other. PLACES i think you can find yourself
in a bad spot because the reality is there are
five six guys max who can play this position at
the highest. LEVEL i THOUGHT C. J strauss one of those.

(54:55):
GUYS i watch him, Now i'm, like is he a
top fifteen.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
Quarterback, NO i mean he has. REGRESS i mean it is.
BAD i want to talk.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Like, kyler for, example is way better than. Him all,
right right, NOW i would Take kyler and a heartbeat OVER. Cj,
stroud no.

Speaker 1 (55:08):
Question so it.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
Shows you like that guy six to like probably fifteen
at the. Lowest they're so predicated on who they're playing,
with who's coaching, them the scheme that they're, running who
they're playing. Like they are very. Fickle like you watch
Brock purty for a, Stretch you're, Like, god this guy's
playing an elite. Level and then you watch him on
his bad. Games their floors a lot, low Like Josh,

(55:31):
Allen Lamar. Jackson their floor is pretty freaking. High Herbert,
now his floor's pretty freaking. High Bo, nicks his floor's. Low,
yeah you watch him on his off, Stage you're, like
Whoa even Cam, Ward i'm rooting for the, guy But
i'm watching him, like, oh he's got a ways to. Go.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
YEAH i want to talk some college. FOOTBALL i saw
a stat this Weeknd, Listen clemson's not very. Good they
didn't want to do the transfer, portal and it feels
like they need about six more good. Players but you
know AND i Like dabosweeney think he's. STUBBORN i Think
Mike krzyzewski for about two years was stubborn with one and.
Done Bobby knight was forever and it was the end

(56:05):
Of Bobby knight's. CAREER i Think dabbo has to go
into the transfer portal and you don't have to get, thirteen,
fifteen eighteen. Guys you could need, eight but they just
don't look talented. ENOUGH i THINK usc is better than people,
think So i'm going to The Trojan's illinois. Game they
were a seven point. Favorite illinois got. SMOKED i. WATCHED
i watched twelve hours of college football, yesterday twelve. HOURS

(56:27):
i sat in front OF Tv Forever. Nebraska the STAT
i saw that was. Funny nebraska's lost twenty nine straight
games two ranked, opponents which doesn't even sound. Right BUT
i also stayed up till one thirty in the morning WATCHING.
Usc if you watched the whole, GAME i, WENT i
fell asleep at about six minutes to, go fell, asleep
AND i woke up the next morning and watched.

Speaker 2 (56:47):
YouTube at the, End i'm two hours ahead of, you
AND i made it through about half a quarter.

Speaker 1 (56:51):
AND i was, asleep so, WELL i took a huge
nap in the, afternoon pretty SO i got a super
early and then eleven in the, morning which is like
a nine year. TIME i took a forty five minute,
nap SO i stayed up AND i watched. It if
you're Doubting Lincoln riley's, Coaching Jaden mayava has actually been

(57:16):
the most impressive quarterback Up. See, NOW i Think Bryce
underwood At michigan's going to a fricking. HOSE i, MEAN
i mean he throws with a velocity that is just.
Intense it, Jumps it's Like Josh. Allen it jumps off
THE tv. Screen it's. Intense SO i Think bryce is more, talented,
Obviously But i'm WATCHING. Usc it's the first time Since Pete.
Carroll they are big. Upfront, defensively they GOT nfl, guys

(57:39):
they get huge pass. Rush they're bad on the, corners
so they're not they're going to be a team that's
going to get into a shootout loose prior To, Oregon
they're not going to be able to contain. Them BUT
i watched That Jaden mayava last. Year he was, immature
he was. Wild that kid has been so coached. UP
i looked at it And i'm, like nobody IS i

(58:01):
saw this year he was right like the sixteenth best
college quarterback by some college. Service i'm, Like i've watched
Kve blubnick And Drew. ALLER i, Mean Dante moore Of oregon's.
Impressive there's another guy that he can spin it like
that kid can spin. It BUT i think USC's gonna Beat.
Illinois they got smoked By. Indiana what is your? Interpretation

(58:24):
Like i've said, BEFORE i THINK nil Saves Brian kelly
And Lincoln. Riley nobody can spend twenty million dollars year
on players and then buy out the coach eighty million.
Dollars Brian kelly's gonna be, Fine lincoln's gonna stay for.
Years BUT i will say watching the running back room
where they went and got a couple of transfers watching

(58:45):
this quarterback WHO i think is way better than the
nation's talking about watching their, SIZE usc looks like a
playoff team to.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
ME i was on a couple of text reads yesterday
and one theme and you've been on. THIS i think
as THIS nil era keeps, expanding and obviously the, PRICES
i mean you AND i hear about some of them
behind the, scenes like these numbers aren't being made. Up
they are. Outrageous The big ten has benefited the most from. It,
yeah because And i'd say top to, Bottom i'm Watching Rutgers.

(59:15):
IOWA i bet these programs have boosters because they're enrollments
or So maryland's four to oh like they have the
money backing, them let Alone Oregon Ohio. State well what
DOES usc? Half you, Know Texas tech WHO i Loved?
Utah MAYBE i just UNDER i didn't take Text tech
seriously because they've never been good on. Defense well guess
what they have a billionaire who bought a bunch of

(59:36):
defensive linemen and they Dominated.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
Utah And utah's got the best offensive line they've ever
had two first round.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Picks but you know what money can. Do it can buy,
you you, know pass rushers and run, stuffers and they
they dominated the. Front so to, me the nil, era
it has never been more. Evident Does clemson have the
money That oregon AND usc have no? Chance how could?

Speaker 1 (59:59):
They?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
SO i wonder if there's a financial standpoint Of and
the one THING i would say For dabo AND i
would say, this if this year looks where it's headed
With Mike tomlin sometimes like you can only be in
a place so. Long, Eventually Bill, walsh you say it's ten,
years these guys are defying. It maybe it's fifteen. TWENTY
i Saw, dabo you, know you felt bad for, Him
like how he's saying how much it hurt. Him he's

(01:00:20):
been there twenty three years and an, assistant a head.
Coach why not go To, Florida just get a new,
start get people that appreciate, you get you, know new,
boosters have a new. World like maybe it's just time
for a, change you. Know and it does feel like
he's holding on till the bitter end where it's like
clearly not. WORKING i, Mean, colin they could easily be
going For they were losing To troy AND i don't

(01:00:42):
know if it was a hurricane or just your Average southern,
storm but delayed the. Game they were getting killed in
the first, quarter sixteen to.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
Nothing this first quarter Against.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
Syracuse syracuse was kicking their. Ass oh it was.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Twenty four to seven in the first. Quarter i'm, LIKE
i looked at a mock. Draft i'm, like they have
two of the top seven defensive. Players it's like they
were getting By.

Speaker 2 (01:01:00):
Syracuse, well the other thing, IS i Think saban said
this a while, back is you Know nils, great but
when you pay the wrong, guys you're in trouble k.
Club nick is just not very. Good and REGRESSION i don't.
KNOW i mean he played well in that in that
playoff game Against, texas throwing some of those go routes
where they hit some touchdowns to make that game kind of.
Close he has looked. Atrocious and the one thing we

(01:01:20):
know now that college football with nil and money has
become a little more like pro football if you do
pay the wrong. Quarterback i'd say the same thing For,
Nebraska LIKE i Watched Dylan ryola AND i don't really see.
It they don't really see.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
IT i don't see.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
It you, Know, like Is John mattier the number one overall?
Pick probably? Not but is he damn good in college
and he's Changing? Oklahoma oh, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
No he looks like that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:43):
Guy. Yeah so you look around college football and you go, like,
uh the kid At Oregon more he was thrust in
For chip, right clearly wasn't. Ready their team wasn't as good,
offensively and everyone's, like oh this guy. Sucks now he's
an eighteen year. Old he's got some physical. SKILLS ucla
talent around him is not. Great he kind of Got
he almost got like A Sam Donald. Baker mayfield got

(01:02:05):
to go. Away sit for a. Second now he's on
a team loaded really. Talented the cow quarterback who. Game
but he's a good. Player he went To oregon in the,
spring graduated In hawaii early a high school kid realized
there's no Chance i'm playing. Here transfers to Cal he's
a guy that's gonna get multiple million dollar off for

(01:02:26):
this offseason to go play AT, Lsu Florida state and
more Like. OREGON i think a lot of people are
sleeping on. THEM i think a lot of people THOUGHT
usc was underrated because last year their, record while it was,
terrible didn't they lose like, Dude like eight of their
five of their losses were once the games.

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
They BEAT, Lsu TEXAS a AND m and they lost
To Penn state in, overtime like they beat teams and
when they lost outside of The Notre dame game where
they just were a mess Outside.

Speaker 2 (01:02:55):
Minnesota, maryland they had some devastating.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Thing all those games was seven minutes to. Go SO
i JUST i watched THEM i watched their, SPEED i
watched their, size And i'm, LIKE i don't know this.
Quarterback i've been so. Underwhelmed Dante moor's impressed, Me jade
and myav has impressed, me and it's a. Nuss meyer
is really hit and. Miss he was not good this past.

(01:03:18):
Weekend SO i don't. KNOW I i JUST i think
to your, point you AND i had said, this AND
i know it's offensive to some, people but in The,
south those are smaller, schools and the car dealer can
be the first or second biggest. Booster we're talking about
venture capital money At, michigan we're talking you, know that's
what you're. Getting AT usc guys are writing twenty million dollar.

(01:03:41):
Checks they get thirty million dollars annual. Bonuses it's just
a different.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
World I'm i'm. STUNNED i wanted to Hate signetti last,
year him getting in the playoffs and then embarrassing, himself
AND i was kind, of you, know rooting For. Illinois
they beat the living you know what At. ILLINOIS i
mean that to win sixty three to. Ten, yeah so

(01:04:05):
you could have you could have taken To illinois plus
fifty two and you would have. LOST i mean that
In illinois over the last couple of years With, bilama
that's a real. TEAM i, Listen, indiana maybe they're better this.
Year they get the cal Transfer mendoza who's had a
really good game against. Them maybe maybe The signettic guy
actually is better THAN i, thought because and this is
what we talk about The Big, ten like they got

(01:04:26):
their buying, players Like. Indiana indiana football is this Is
Lee corso in the. Seventies this is twenty twenty. Five
now are they as good As Penn, State OREGON usc
In Ohio? State probably, not BUT i take them a
little more seriously after that game to in The. ILLINOIS
i know that BECAUSE I i Took illinois in that,
game but that it's it's something to win sixty three to,

(01:04:49):
ten sixty three Against. Beilama that Was that was the
most impressive. PERFORMANCE i thought over the weekend THAT i.

Speaker 1 (01:04:55):
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Nfl scout as Always, buddy, good good.

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