C5 Opens Up on Faith, Fatherhood & His Rise From Dorm Flow to Destiny

In this heartfelt and inspiring episode, Chuck Dizzle reconnects with C5 - artist, father, and former Home Grown intern. From his roots in Oakland to dropping his 13th album "God Been Good To Me", C5 opens up about his transformative journey.​ Discussing his evolution from the streets of Oakland to academia, building community, music industry challenges, fatherhood, and the spiritual growth that has shaped his path. It's a full-circle moment filled with raw honesty, resilience, and invaluable insights for anyone on a journey of self-discovery.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
All right, We're back at it, Chuck Dizzle live and
direct man, keeping it homegrown as always.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Now this right here, I know I say I.

Speaker 1 (00:14):
Start off for yo. This is a pleasure, This is
a treat. But this right here is like a full
circle moment because when I say homegrown, man, this dude
right here, I've seen him literally as an intern and
growing and evolving over the years, and I want to
get into the conversation, start off on his experience as
an intern for home We got C five. He is

(00:37):
in the building with us right now. This is our
first like one on one conversation.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
We always see each other in passing. I've seen the career,
You've seen what I've been doing over the years. We've
seen each other turning to fathers. But I'm glad to
have this conversation with you, brother.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
Man.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
It's right on time. Man, Thank you for being here,
first and foremost.

Speaker 3 (00:55):
Oh Man, thanks for having me. Brother. It's an honor.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Have a new album. We're gonna talk about that. First
of all, let the people know what the name of
it is. It's your thirteenth album.

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thirteenth thirteenth, thirteen thirteenth album. God been good to me.

Speaker 2 (01:12):
Out.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Now see five from the other side. That's wow, bro,
So thirteen albums.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
When when I first met you, you were intern and
dorm Flow two had just dropped. Now here's the crazy
part about it. And I tell people this, but just
for the record, since it's you know, first conversation. I
didn't know you rapped, and you, as an intern, didn't tell.

Speaker 2 (01:37):
Me you rapped.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I had never told you.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
You never.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
I don't think you didn't tell you what So that's
why I want to get your perspective as an intern,
you coming in and first of all, how you heard
about it and how you applied and you getting in
because to my knowledge, you were Chris. You were Chris
from Domingus Hills that wanted to write on the website
or want to intern, and we had you writing on
the website, doing a couple things, coming to the studio,

(02:01):
seeing how the broadcast ran when we were doing it.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
On Market Street in Englewood.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
I had no idea that you wrapped right and it
wasn't a problem. But when I found out, I was like, oh,
he dope. How could be to say nothing? And to
my recollection, the conversation was just like you were just
like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Like it was just you know, you smooth seafighting.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
I don't know, it just never came up like it's
just what it was normals like yo. But from that
moment I gained a lot of respect because if to
me it felt like you know, you were you were
coming in and earning your weight. You were coming in
providing value. You weren't coming in for a handout.

Speaker 2 (02:40):
Right.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
So when I heard the music and I thought, I
was like, Yo, this is incredible hearing during flow, I
don't even think you had dropped the project yet. I
don't think you had dropped it. No, I don't think
you had dropped it because you had home You had
Homegrown as a as a skit on there.

Speaker 3 (02:55):
Yeah on the second one. Yeah, it might have been after,
but I had the first one out.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
You had the first one out. But is that on
streaming platforms or anything?

Speaker 3 (03:02):
First, we're not even on streaming. It was on that piff.

Speaker 2 (03:05):
That's wow, bro. So let's let's rewind man.

Speaker 1 (03:08):
Tell us how it was for you as an intern
coming into Homegroong.

Speaker 2 (03:12):
What was your mindset?

Speaker 1 (03:13):
Well, take us back to two thousand, what fifteen C
five twenty sixteen C five.

Speaker 2 (03:17):
At the time.

Speaker 3 (03:18):
So, so I got over there at twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Twenty, it had to be twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (03:22):
I think it was maybe before that, because.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
We were at we were at on Market Street twenty fourteen,
fifteen that we had just got to Market Street. And
I know that because you Loope and somebody else was
in turned around the same time.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yeah. Yeah, And I believe I was before Loope. You
were before Lupe was some time before Lupe okay, Man, Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Because I feel like Loupe was right before we got
to the radio station, before we got to real.

Speaker 3 (03:50):
It might have for real been like maybe into twenty
fourteen or something.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
It well, either way, what was going on with C
five at that time?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
Man? Yeah? At that time, I was I was in college,
fresh from Oakland, New Environment. I had no family in
l A. Just kind of just just trying to find
my way. And then Groovy Liz shouts out and shouts
out the Groovy Liz Man. She had said she was

(04:19):
up there doing work and I don't know if she
has sent me, uh send me some interviews or something.
And I was looking for intern because, like it was,
it was mandatory that we.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Had to get a college. Yeah, exactly for college.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
For college, and you know also like so I went
up there a couple of times and it just felt
like home. Yeah, I remember you you know she I
first came through and you were just like, yeah, just
keep just keep pulling up because you you know, before
you just bring on an intern or anything like that,
you want to just fill out the energy. And I

(04:58):
remember I just wasn't even worried about I just wanted
to be there. It felt like I feel like I
was looking like for some community, and it just felt
like home. I used to look forward to It was
on Thursdays, right, Yeah, that's crazy because uh, I used
to look forward to them. Thursdays, Bro, Thursday my favorite
day of the week.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
Really, that's random. Yeah it was it always your favorite day?
Or was it because of that man?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Bro? I think I discovered it was my favorite day
like a couple of years ago. Really, yes, it was
my favorite. It's always been my favorite day of the week.
It was. It was the day I was born on too.
I was born on a Thursday.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
Get out of here.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yeah, so all these things linking up figuring out like
it feels like community, feeling like home and you so
it wasn't an intentional thing to not come in and
say you were an artist, because did you even put
that on on your resume at the time when you
were applying.

Speaker 3 (05:50):
Nah. Yeah, I remember at the time, I didn't want
to come in there saying I was an artist because
I didn't I didn't want to try to think that
I was trying to get something from y'all. So I
just kind of wanted to go in there as Chris
because I know I know y'all getting that all the time,
people trying to get on, and I wanted to come

(06:11):
in and bring value, be a service and learn and
just be around good people, good energy, and y'all had that.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
You always been super humble and just super welcoming. Bro.
You was heck of welcoming to me. Bro, and it
was just everybody. It just felt like family there, real
sparkle bliss head. Yeah, it was dope, Bro.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I can't remember.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I felt like, I don't know if it was. Now
you have me think, cause I don't know. If the
problem the project didn't drop, I had to have heard
a song. I felt like I either heard all or
nothing or something from from the album where I was like, oh, damn,
he's dope.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
You know what I mean that. I think we had
that exchange and again you were.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
Just super like chill about it, like yeah that it
didn't matter because I'm here for an internship.

Speaker 3 (06:58):
So yeah, how did you up finding out?

Speaker 1 (07:02):
And if that's the thing we have, you know, we
have so much music coming through. I want to say,
either Liz or I feel sparkled told me.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
I'm like what what? Yeah, right, like something and then
I heard I'm like.

Speaker 3 (07:15):
Oh you are nothing. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:17):
I was like, oh you are, Like that's dope.

Speaker 1 (07:19):
That's what's so funny is that All or Nothing, like
the way I consume music is completely different today.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
All or Nothing.

Speaker 1 (07:25):
Literally came on randomly in my shuffles like two months ago,
and I want to say that same week a couple
of whatever, you will reach out and say, hey, my
listening session is coming up. I was like, what that
is crazy, and I'm telling what I tell you, and
not not that it for nothing, but like it never

(07:47):
pops up like that, right, you know, if I have
to go to it and search it and listen like
it just.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Randomly popped up. So that was that was another sign.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
I'm just like, man, you know I'm just so glad
to see the evolution and what you've been through, what's
going on. But I always just wondered that, like from
your perspective coming in, like what what your thought process was?
Another moment I gained significant.

Speaker 2 (08:08):
Respect for you.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
We fast forward a couple of years, right, we get
here at the station, and for those that don't know,
you know a lot of raisor stations that they're kind
of phasing it out now. But radio station concerts were
a big thing, you know what I mean, they still
doing it multiple marks, but here in LA they don't
really have the radio station concerts. It's it's more like

(08:30):
the festivals now. You know, Rollandander is kind of kind
of absorbed all that, and stations hop.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
On it whatever.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
Right, But at one point we had the first Real
ninety two three show, the Real Show, and this is
mind you We me and had headed gotten hired, he
got me in, and I think I think this may
have even been No it was right when Homegrown got
onto Real ninety two to three. So now we're on

(08:56):
and we have a homegrown stage. It's a lot of
stuff going on or whatever. But when they announced the show,
they put out this PSA like, hey, if you want
to open up, submit your information.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Tons of people submitted it, right pages Peyton, tons of
people submitted.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
To get in this thing.

Speaker 1 (09:22):
C five Wins didn't even tell us, didn't even say
that you didn't no, no, no, we found out that
you submitted, and we found out that you got you won,
And I'm like, oh damn, that's dope that he didn't
even like.

Speaker 2 (09:37):
You could have EASi like, hey, yo, look out from
it some nothing.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
I don't even know if you even realized that you
didn't do that at the time you submitted it. We
found out you were the winner in real time. I'm like, wait,
CE five, wait the hut. And I think you were
still I don't know if you were still intern or
you had just got your credit or whatever and you
were done, but you know, you're still hanging around.

Speaker 3 (10:02):
I still was coming, remember, I was still coming. And
then even when when Head got here, I was doing
stuff for Head still and so right up on the website.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
My point is it's like another pivotal moment where you
earned it on your own, Like and I don't know
if you knew that we had nothing to do with
you winning like you won on your own merit, right.

Speaker 3 (10:21):
That was that was crazy because I remember I remember
I went to submit, right and I remember seeing it
was pages like on each page it was probably like
it was like five rolls or something, and it was
probably four videos on each road.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
So you had to submit your work, and I don't
even know if it was a voting process or what
was going on at the time. I believe it was
to kind of qualify you to get into the runnings
or whatever. I didn't even know you was submitted. To
be honest, It was a lot of people that submitted tons.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
Of work and you won.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
You opened up our very first real show, so you
literally outside of the Homegrown stage when people came into
the Forum that night and we talked fucking Drake and
Kendrick that night.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
This is Drake.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Drake popped up Kendrick Kendrick headline that show Drake popped up. Yeah,
Drake popped up with with Future.

Speaker 3 (11:13):
That might have been a different Nope.

Speaker 2 (11:16):
The very first show, bro the very first.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
Because I remember it was it was Usher. Usher was
the headliner. It was Usher Chance, Yeah, Tory Lanez, it
was Bryson Chris Brown, Big Sean.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
And Kendrick. Kendrick was the headliner. Kendrick was the headliner today.
It was our very first real show.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
That's the reason why it was like such a huge
thing or whatever the case may be. So, I mean
my point is just like, Yo, that was just dope.
That that all that had happened, And I gained a
lot more respect for you because again, here you had
the opportunity to be like, Yo, Okay, you know I've
networked with these cats, they know me. Hey just look

(11:56):
out for me. It could have it wasn't even a hey,
pick me type situation. It could have been easy, like ay,
y'all submitted, can you just see what the prod like?
None of that and the fact that you went on
your own merit that she was fire. So again, salute
you on that understanding the idea of providing value doing
off off your own strength, on your own muscle.

Speaker 3 (12:14):
Man.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
What I want to talk to you about.

Speaker 3 (12:17):
Real quick going to the I just want to I
want to know, like, what do you remember of me
from that time when I was interning, Like like what
was I like?

Speaker 1 (12:28):
Or like it's funny that you say that is because
you captured it perfectly on dooring flow too. You were
you were the type where it was like you would
come in and handle your business, but you was also
like look at looking and see fire the flirt over there,
like okay, you're here to do your work, but I
see you over there, Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Talking to the ladies.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Man. I was like, okay here ladies man for sure,
and you know you let it be know like okay, yeah,
you know, this is what I do.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know what I mean? Very professional. It wasn't it.
It wasn't in.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
A way where it's all he's doing too much. It
was just like, okay, yeah he's he's doing what he
needs to do.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
But it kind of it wraps you up perfectly because
that's kind of that's how I remember. But I always
remembered you being mild mannered, being respectful, never overstepping your boundaries,
but always willing to work too, you know what I'm saying.
So that's why it was important for you know, I'm
always welcoming and always opened my doors, but I would

(13:30):
always tell people like, yo, man, just keep showing up,
like there's a gang of people that come through, but
how are you gonna stand out? And without me having
to tell you that you kind of were already doing it.
So I use you as as an example when I
talk to people about internships and how to how to
network and knowing when it's time to move on and
just figuring out the next step and constantly evolving, and

(13:53):
it's it's just one of those things where it's respectful,
you know what I'm saying, and it's a appreciate it
because you don't really see it too often in this business,
and when you do it to me, it stands out
like a sword thumb. It's like, yeah, man, he's gonna
go places. It was no doubt in my mind that
you were going to be where you are right now.
And it kind of gets to my point in terms

(14:14):
of like building community. One of the things that I
was super impressed about is with dorm Flow too. You
already had had a huge following. You would already had
the dorm flow, you know, community, you would already you
already pop it at at cal State Domingius. So I
want I want to know how you kind of developed
that sense of building that community somewhere that's not even home,

(14:37):
you know what I'm saying. And you can talk about
your college experience too, because I feel like that has
a lot to do with it. But I feel like
you built that community and you already kind of had
like that awareness for people that were looking forward to
dorm flow too, you know, based off of what you
would deal with dorm flow one and the fact that
you know dorm flow, like the whole the branding.

Speaker 2 (14:56):
Was already there.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
You were like ahead of your time and of like
building a community. Everything that we have now in terms
of community everybody that's a that's a hot button word now.
But it's like you were doing that early on. So
I want you to kind of get into that. How
was that important? Why was it important? When did you
realize like, oh damn, I got something here.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Man. To be honest, brouh, it wasn't even like a
intentional thing, broh. I think it just it just happened. Really,
It kind of just unfolded. Yeah, I got I got
the shirt. Like I literally was just going to class
and going to the dorm. I didn't even put a

(15:37):
thought into the name. I was just like, all right, dormflow.
And everybody just like even people who wasn't in college,
they was just they was just on the dorm flow.
They liked. They liked it, and then the music matched
up with the product, and everybody wanted some product. And
then I was just I was just I was just

(15:59):
pushing a hard line. I was taking advantage of that
platform that school, Like school is a good it's like
a great platform to push your your artistry. Yeah, I
was just doing that brand. And it got to or
I was I was accing. I was actioning, like acting
and shall be given, Like hey, can I can I
open up this show? Like y'all got a show, and
can I open it up? So they let me open

(16:22):
up the show. I brought more people than the headliner
that they had. Then the next show they paying me
to perform in headline in college in college while I'm
in college, like I'm fresh out of class about to
go do a show on the campus that they paying
me to do. And then it was like, man, can

(16:43):
I how can I get this in the bookstore? Become
a vendor? All right, I'm a vendor now? Or now
that now he's selling it in the bookstore. Well, it's crazy, Bro,
I still think about them times and get inspired. I
was like, bro, I was doing Hecker stuff I had,
I had, I had a job. I had the intern,
I had like seven classes. Then I'm doing the music.

(17:06):
I'm like Bad Boys C five. There was a different
he was different grin And so I look at that
and I be inspired by my past. But it just
happened really organically. Bro.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
It's so funny when when I go back and think
about those times and you say, man, what do you remember? Also,
after hearing the project, I was like, oh, this is
a different verse. This is a It felt like a
reincarnated C five or or or a new version because
the stuff that you were talking about, you were you
were very intentional about, you know, turning your life around

(17:42):
and not doing the things that you had been doing.
And that wasn't even the C five that I was
even privy to knowing. You know what I'm saying, like
street life and you know all that, right, and it
seems like you turned over a new page.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
And I don't know you could tell me.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Was this was college the thing that that changed for you,
like to say, Okay, you know what, I gotta turn
over a new leave. I gotta not do the things
that I have been doing. Or was it throughout college
that kind of made you say damn, I gotta, you know,
figure out a new path for myself.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
You're talking about on this new I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
I'm talking about back then because there's a there's even
more and we'll get into even more evolution because there's
even more layers that we can peel back. But even that,
I'm saying that because it's like this is.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
A recurrent theme for yourself.

Speaker 1 (18:25):
You're you're constantly shedding your old skin and getting new skin,
shedding your old skin, getting new skin. But I've noticed
that even from Jump, like listening to and this is
from Dorm Flow too, it's like, oh damn, I and
I didn't I didn't hear Dorm Flow once, so I
had no I don't know. I don't know that any
any songs from that project or anything prior to that.

(18:48):
But I'm listening to you talk about running from the
cops and selling this and you know what I mean, Like,
I'm like, oh, damn, that's totally not the that's not Chris.

Speaker 2 (18:56):
You know what I'm saying. So take me take me.

Speaker 1 (19:01):
How you left that to come to this to that
point to doing Flow too?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Yeah, man, bro, like it really be God, it be
like moments like like that bruh, Like how you said
what the building the community? And then just how I
how I went from like in the streets, like really
in the streets, bro, like in a in a gang,
in a revered game, bro. And to go from that

(19:30):
to college and like and the snap of a finger
was crazy to me?

Speaker 2 (19:34):
Bro was it was?

Speaker 1 (19:37):
It received well from people that I knew you were
They did they say, oh, man, that okay, that that's
on brand for him?

Speaker 3 (19:43):
Or they were like, what is it to go to college?

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yeah, to go to college to you know what I mean,
like turn over a new leaf.

Speaker 3 (19:50):
Hm hmm. That's a good question.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Because again, we're seeing you for the first time.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
All I know is Chris, and I'm like, oh, Chris
can say the mega is okay? Seemed like a cool dude,
like mom man or whatever. I don't know this other
guy that he's you know, he's not rapping as but
talking about like you're leaving that shit behind. So for
for people that knew you back then, do they look
at that moment that the initial change right where they like, oh,

(20:17):
this is this makes sense for him, I'm glad he's
doing this, or oh brud tripping.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Oh I definitely It's crazy because the same person that
because I was ready to be like I got the
acceptance letter from the Mingus and I remember talking to
the big homie in the hood that I looked up
to and kind of ran up under. I was like, hey, hey, bruh, Hey,

(20:42):
you know I got this acceptance letter. I could go
to college. Brouh. But he like, I'm ready to thug
it out with y'all. I said something like that alone
knows I'm ready, Like what you think I should do?
And he was like, hey, brouh, go to school. Everybody
in the click can't be dumb. M bruh. That was

(21:02):
crazy change right there that year. I was like, wow,
I think I was gonna go anyway, but I was
probably testing me, damn. But so he said that, and
I was like, oh cool, I got the green light.
All right, cool because I already knew it wasn't no
future in that bro Like, I think I just did
that too, you know, be be accepted. I didn't have

(21:23):
a man like my pops wasn't around. So you know,
you see these men in the streets they respected, and
you're like, oh, I gotta do this, I say less.
So I got into that but so he Then I
left and the same person that told me that, like
kind of in my first semester kind of flipped on me, uh,

(21:44):
which was which was interesting. But I think it was
just like protection. And but yeah, bro, like right when
I left, I lost my best friend. He had got killed.
And then a lot of the other homies that I
was in the streets with they had went to jail,
some of them were locked up. Yeah, so so that
was that was a blessing, bro, Like that's what I'm saying, Like,

(22:07):
God be he It's like, man, that's when I was like, man,
God real, he really with me. So yeah, then you know,
I got to college and I'm still I've still got
these ways with me. I'm on campus. But I remember
being on campus, I'm sagging heck a loo people in
the student union, like I remember like women telling me

(22:27):
pull your pants stuff. I'm just hecker reserved. I was
real like shy back then and just yes, like I'm
coming from like a whole new environment. I don't know
nobody here. Yeah, so I would just go to class,
go to my dorm. Record I was just recording. I
remember I dropped the first album, the first mixtape, I
dropped was called five Matti and I was kind of

(22:49):
making that when I was in the streets and it
was like a New York gritty sound, and then it
didn't really translate when I dropped that. But then you know,
I'm in La. I'm having the La experience. I'm popping out,
and dorm Flow came, so they sounded more West Coast
the first dorm flow. So I remember being a custodian

(23:12):
and the student union. I pressed up all the CDs
and I was just passing out the CDs to heck
a quiet, but hey, check my music out, check my
music out. And that was kind of my way how
I like acquired friends and like notoriety because like people
would come back after they listened to it, like brat.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
That was hard, hard.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Yeah. So then then the merch came and then I
got in trouble. I got in trouble because I shot
a video in the dorms. It was kind of turned
up people. People were smoking in there and it was drinking.
And then it got back to the vice president of
the school, so they was about to kick me out,
but then it was two vice presidents. One of them

(23:54):
he was like on my side because he run this
program called the Male Success Alliance. Out a shout out man.
I don't know why, but doctor Franklin, shout out doctor Franklin,
and he just kind of advocated for me, and I
was able to stay on probation. And then during that probation,
I ended up getting a job helping the youth at
like Bathunam Middle School in South Central and at Fremont

(24:17):
I became a mentor. And being a mentor that's what
changed my music. That's why dorm Flow two was like
a refined version, a more mature version, more clean version
of Sea Fog. Because Dormflow won. It was kind of
I was talking to I was talking crazy on there,
but yeah, and then and then when I did that,

(24:41):
it was like dorm Flow to really blossom. Bro. That's
when I started headlining at the college. It's like they
went from kicking me out to paying me to perform.
So yeah, it was a it was a blessing. Bro.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Talk about what happens after that, because you would think
that from there, not as centilar that you made it,
but it's like, oh damn, I figured it out. I
figured out my community. I've networked with the right people.
I'm headlining shows, getting paid for some of them, right.

Speaker 3 (25:10):
But at different college, like all the other C sues too,
not just the minga is a at l V. I
was at north Ridge. So I'm saying, I was going crazy.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
You you've hit a certain level of success, But do
you feel fulfilled in those moments? When when is the
next evolution of C five happened after that? And what
did you go through to kind of get past it?

Speaker 3 (25:35):
Yeah? So yeah, after I graduated college, there was these
managers that that wanted to manage me. But they was
in Atlanta, and I'm buzzing in l A and in
the Bay. I'm going crazy, but you know, they they
convinced me. You know, they said they had these plays
and they had relationships where they was in Atlanta and

(25:56):
they wanted me to move out there. And at the time,
I kind of was wasn't really financially stable, and I
had this job on the table that I that I had.
It was I met this dude. I was uber and
I met this dude he worked at this ad agency,
and I submitted a resume. They was ready to take

(26:18):
me on. It was gonna be I was gonna be
on salary, but it was gonna be like a nine
to five. So it was between doing that or going
to Atlanta. And you know what I'm saying, be it
with these managers, I chose I took the leap of faith.
I was like, hey, man, I'm gonna I'm gonna go
to Atlanta and see what it's talking about a little bit. Yeah. Yeah,

(26:38):
So I went out to Atlanta, bruh, And I learned
a lot out there. I learned a lot, but I
don't think that's where I was supposed to be. And
I feel like I kind of lost traction here. But
also think you know it was it was probably protection, bro,
because I probably just wasn't all the way ready for

(26:58):
what was about to happen.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Yeah, I mean, but also think that you've learned how
to thrive in different environments from the Bay, that that in.

Speaker 2 (27:07):
Itself hustle hustle culture.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Like you learned the gag from the Bay, right, you
apply that out here in La You the glitz and
GLAMs and you rubbing shoulders with the right people, You
still learning your hustle. You learn to build community. You
go out there to the a what do you feel
like the best things, the best lessons that you learned
out there, even though it didn't it didn't quote unquote
work out right came back. What did you learn that

(27:32):
from that experience being in Atlanta?

Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean, I made a lot of great relationships, you know,
opened up for a lot of dope artists. But I
feel like I kind of, you know, I was being
swayed to make a certain type of music. I'm like,
they were trying to get me to make music for
the strip club. I was like, that's not really me,
right right, And I did it. You know, I tried it,

(27:57):
which was good because now I can see, like, all right,
I tried. I know this isn't for me, so I'm
gonna stay in my lane and what I and what
I do. So yeah, it taught me a lot of
what not to do, but you know, I learned some
good things too, like building relationships with the DJs and
stuff and and yeah, break it taught me to stay

(28:19):
true to me for real.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Bro, When is the last time you completely lost your ship?
Like just not and I lost yourself, but like lost
lost control in the sense of like I've never.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
Seen you mad, you never seen I've ever seen you.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
But I know I know you enough, and I know
I have this type of quality as well. You don't
make people like us mad, and if you do, everybody knows, like, yeah,
if you make that person mad, something's wrong with you.
So when is if there's a time that you can recall,
when is the last time you just kind of like
got outside of yourself that you're like, damn, that's that's

(28:53):
not even my character, But damn that I got pushed
to the line because you always see like somebody that
is really good and controlled and not that can't get
knocked off your square in that sense.

Speaker 3 (29:03):
Man, Thank you, bro, thank you. It's it's been with
women really, yeah, yeah, like like people like my mom
or or like women I was dealing with. That's really
has been the only time I really lost it where
I was like, nah, this ain't it, bro.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
And why do you think why do you think that is?
Is it based off of like past trauma? Like why
is that the determinate factor?

Speaker 3 (29:33):
Man? That's a that's a great question. And that's that's
what I've been unpacking for the past like eight months,
eight nine months. I think. You know, I feel like
if if you keep putting yourself in in in the

(29:53):
in the fire, bro, you're gonna you're gonna get burned.
So if I haven't, I didn't set up good enough
boundaries to I didn't set the proper boundaries to not
allow myself to get to that point with certain certain people,

(30:17):
or I would over extend myself. I would overcomping myself,
overcompensate to like make someone else happy, they wouldn't be
happy people. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can say that.

Speaker 2 (30:28):
Yeah yeah, And then in those situations.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Yeah, that would build resentment putting myself last, not putting
myself first, putting somebody else on a pedestal, putting somebody
on a pedestal, and then leaving myself down here and
it not being appreciated. So I build resentment, and then
resentment turning the anger, and the anger is expressed in rage.

(30:53):
So yeah, I would say, yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
Bro, I mean I applaud you for being like holding
yourself accountable in that sense, because I know it's not
an easy thing. Like I said, I I don't like
the person I become when I get outside of myself,
and it's you know, it's happened a while, like it
hasn't happened in a while, but it's like when it
does happen, I don't feel good about it, So I

(31:17):
know that having to look at yourself in the mirror
like god, man, damn, like why why did I allowed
this to happen? But I mean I think that that
That's what I've kind of learned about you throughout the years,
is like you you're a disciplined individual, right even from

(31:39):
from jump, Like I remember you was not eating me
like you you was like on your vegan tip early.
So it's like, damn, applying these disciplines and you always
searching and you still always are searching for the higher self, the.

Speaker 2 (31:52):
Best and the best version of yourself.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
And that's the other side man, And talk about why
that's important to incorporate that into the brand. But still
kind of figuring this out, Like even with this, you
still you're still not going to be perfect, right, Yeah,
still not gonna be perfect, But you're always You're always
constantly pulling back these layers to figure out, how can
I be the best version of myself?

Speaker 4 (32:14):
Man?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
What is what does that come from?

Speaker 3 (32:16):
Yeah? Man? Where where where does the the the ambition
come to be my best self?

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:23):
Man, that's a great question.

Speaker 2 (32:24):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (32:24):
I just I just love I love growing bro, like
I love I just love getting better, Bro. I'm addicted
to it, bro. And and then I I love like
I feel like I'm like this science experiment.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
I'm trying to figure myself out brou So. Like even
even in the moments where they're not so proud moments,
I got so much out of that, bro. Like I
learned a lot, Like now I know to I know
how to never get there again. But that's sometimes to
take that. Sometimes you got to go there to never

(33:00):
go back. I gotta what I say in the song say,
you gotta do some wrong in life to know wrong
from right.

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Damn.

Speaker 3 (33:07):
Yeah so but yeah, Bro, I just I want to
be remembered, like like I say on an album, I
want to be remembered bru And. I want people to
remember me in a good life Brouh. I want to
I want to have an impactful like legacy, brou And.

(33:28):
And to do that, bro, I gotta be my best
self br And I want to make God happy.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (33:32):
Man, I've noticed when when I feel when I'm proud
of myself, it's it's because God is proud of me.
So like when I when I control my emotions, I
feel proud of myself because I know he proud of me.
And when I'm doing healthy things too to uh you know,

(33:54):
stay spiritually right and I'm treating people right, I'm treating
people good. I feel I feel good about that, bro,
And I feel like people gonna remember that. People gonna
be like man se five.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Bro. He was.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
He was always like, had a good energy to him,
always kind, looked me in the eyes when he talked
to me, always said he loved me. Even though I
couldn't say it back, he always still said it. Like
stuff like that, Bro, Like, I want to go. I
want people to remember that. I want the waiter to
remember like man he he called me by my name

(34:28):
like he was. He was so nice.

Speaker 1 (34:30):
You're present, yeah, Bro, What's what's funny is that when
you said that at the you know, the listening party, amazing,
amazing turnout, amazing people.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Man.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
I just I love that you open up that space
as well, and shouts out to lack of Fella you.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
You open up that space to let.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Other artists get on first before doing You're presenting your
your project to the people, right and as you're.

Speaker 2 (34:53):
Performing that song, you know you want to be remembered.
All I can think to.

Speaker 1 (34:57):
Myself is like, but you're already You're already doing that,
Like everybody, especially from that room. You know, people that
that had you had met a couple of days before.
Maybe even it's that that same day that pulled up
and literally showed you and gave you your flowers in
real time. I'm like everything that he wants to be
remembered by and for. I feel like those that know you,

(35:18):
even in that come in contact with you, they could
hold that mirror up and say, no, yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
He is that.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
He is that I want to live forever, bro, Like,
even when I'm not here, bro.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
I think I think that you what's changed?

Speaker 1 (35:35):
I feel like we all knew that early, right, but
I feel like what would kind of spark that change
for more of the world to kind of tap into that?
Are the I believe it was it the Roses project
when you were given given showing love on social media,
and that like really took off.

Speaker 3 (35:52):
Right.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
You're giving people their flowers and doing that in the
version of a rap. I don't know how how often
you were roping. I don't know if it was weekly
or monthly, but you would pick people to do these
rats for and tell me from your perspective, I feel
like we all knew you were dope, right people that
were close to your community, but for the first time,

(36:15):
it felt like when when it started going viral in
the world starts seeing it in that sense, that's when
more people feel like you were making an impact to
people that you might not have necessarily tapped into early on,
if that makes sense, right, Like Okay, when you just
tapped the brown for example, you post a song about her,
she posted, and now people are like, damn, who is

(36:36):
this kid?

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Right?

Speaker 1 (36:37):
And they go back and look at your catalog and
check you out, And now the world is seeing how.

Speaker 2 (36:42):
Dope you are.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
Not that you need the validation, but I feel like
it helps as well to have that like shined on
you talk about those moments man, and what kind of
made you navigate into that space and do that, because
I feel like that was a good Martin It was.
It was great marketing, but I also feel like that
it came across as being authentic.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
It wasn't like, hey, let me just do this for
views and likes.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
It felt like for me, I felt like, oh no,
that's see five, Like that's him for sure.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
It just happened to take off and people are reposting it,
but that's literally him, you know what I'm saying. And
then you rinse and repeat and keep it going and
you're showing that gratitude and showing that love.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
And I just thought that was just.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
An amazing display of like who you are and your character.
And I love when viral moments like that happened for
people when they're that they're they are their authentic selves,
you know what I'm saying. So talk to me about
that moment for you when it happened. And it's just like, Okay,
I'm gonna keep this thing going for it however long
I feel like going.

Speaker 2 (37:40):
And you know what you got out of that? And
what you what you learned about yourself? Mmmm?

Speaker 3 (37:46):
What I learned about myself? Man, that's fire. It's a
great question, was bro. And you said, what it do?
What it do for him?

Speaker 2 (37:56):
What to do for you? Because you said you want
to be remembered for all these things?

Speaker 3 (38:00):
So and and and I want I want to make
some clarity, bring some clarity on that. Like when I
say I want to be remembered, I want to live forever,
Like it ain't really even about me. Bro, it's just
about like the character, like I want to be the
example for somebody, like, hey, bro, you could you could

(38:21):
live a lit life and you could be cool pushing
positivity Like positivity is player too, bro, Like positivity is player.
Like if it ain't positivity, it's poverty. Bro. So you
could you know what I'm saying, You could lift people
up like Tabitha Brown, all these people that's in the
world doing their thing. You could.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
You could do that.

Speaker 3 (38:40):
You could spread love and light and it's still be cool,
you still be respected. And so that's that's that's more
so what it's what it's for. I want to inspire
the generation that's coming after me where where they don't
gotta think, they gotta oh I gotta, I gotta do it,
like you're not like you could be yourself. Yeah, I

(39:02):
want people to. I want to inspire people to be themselves.
But with the tab of the Brown and like the
Taragi and stuff, Brud just uh you know, to see
what's playing it like oh you should do this, and
it just my spirit was just like oh yeah, that
was like a no brainer. And then I seen what
it did, like not only did it touch the person

(39:23):
that I made the song for but it touched all
all they people and it was it was just dope
to like people be crying, you know what I'm saying.
Like it was it was dope to to to to
see that and you know, get him they flowers. Cause
I know when you on this grind, you you you
just in it and you you're not really taking a

(39:45):
lot of time to sit back and look at the
harvest and process it because you still on go. So
I feel like a song like this, uh make people
like a tribute, to make people like like he laid
it a lot. Damn I did all that. Yeah, and
you really get to soak in and yeah you get
your flowers and not while it's why you here, not

(40:09):
when you're already gone. And then I noticed it. Also
it also build relationships like community. I don't even have
no I don't be having no expectations when I do it,
like I'm doing this because that I want to. I
want to get on they show and like nah, I
just do it out the love of my heart. But
you know, if if something does come from it, that's dope.

(40:31):
And things have and then other times it hasn't, which
is cool. But I know see it build like it
brings a build community. And you know, I like, like
I said, at Homegrown ever since Homegrown, Like I love
that community, bro.

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Yeah, And that's that's that's what I got from it,
from being on the being on the other side of
it looking at it. I don't think I remember when
I first caught wind of like some of the stuff
going viral. I think, to shit, she hey, mane, you
see because she was heavy in the tab of the brush,
like yo. I was like, that don't surprise me at.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
All at all. And I'm lad that the world.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Is waking up, you know what I'm saying to to
who this dude is. And I again, maybe because I
know you, but I'm just like, it doesn't come across
as like a marketing tactic. Now, of course you can,
you know, utilize it and like you said, boosted to
to what it's supposed to be.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
But it didn't. From my side, it didn't come across it.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
It was like, oh, that's just C five be a
C five and yeah, the world is seeing that, so
I think that that that's just an amazing thing.

Speaker 3 (41:38):
I also also learned too that because you know, you
get a bunch of followers and all that. I also
learned that like it uh, like you would think you'd
be ex I got all these followers. It was just right.
It was regular. Yeah, it was regular. And I don't
know if that was because it was a product of

(42:01):
like I've been putting in this work. It feel it
feel right, like I should have all these followers, or
it was just like you know that, like that's not
the thing, Like that's not gonna it's not gonna fulfill you.
Like I was grateful for it, but I just I wasn't.
You're like super right. It's funny. It's even all the comments,

(42:22):
all the like love. It's really about what you think
about yourself, because like a million people could tell you
you're amazing, you're amazing, But if you're not really feeling
that within yourself.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
Oh wait, wait wait wait, unpacked that real quick say
that again, dug you're saying having those viral moments, having
people like and follow and and this is your craft,
by the way, So it's like it's something as an
artist you take serious. You're saying with even even those
likes and those loves, if you're not internally feeling that,
it don't mean.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
A damn thing.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
It don't, Broh. A million people could tell you you worthy,
A million people could tell you amazing, you gifted, you talented,
you're deserving. But if you're not feeling that within yourself, Brouh,
you're not gonna You're not gonna feel it.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
Were you feeling like that?

Speaker 3 (43:11):
I was at that time? I was. That's why it
was so crazy. It was like like that that time
it was like the the most successful time of my life,
or like it was like one of the best times
in my life because I'm finally getting a recognition, but
it was also like like mentally, like one of the

(43:31):
worst times in my life. Bro.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Was it because of the attention or you said you
just felt like something wasn't right internally within yourself?

Speaker 3 (43:41):
I think it was. Yeah, it was a I wasn't
around like my people, bro. I was around a lot
of people that I thought was foy bro.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
But nah, Broh.

Speaker 3 (43:55):
And I was just kind of like losing my I
was kind of losing myself within that, And you know,
I was I was in a relationship that that that
wasn't the best. So I was fighting like a lot
of spiritual warfare at the time, bro.

Speaker 2 (44:10):
Because even on the outside it.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
And that's again me me knowing you from the outside,
it was like, oh damn, like you said, yes, finally
getting this moment, finally getting the attention. I will say this,
I saw you at a time and I'm peeping from
from a distance. I don't I probably don't tap in

(44:34):
like I probably should. But I seen from a distance
and I stay away from the messy ship too, because
that's just not my my, my character or whatever. But
I saw you at a time where within this time period,
you're talking about a lot of people going at you
for for who you were dating, right, and you the
grace that you had dealing with that. I, when I

(45:00):
tell you, just levels of respect. I gained a lot
more respect for you in that moment too, because it's like,
I know, it's not easy to.

Speaker 2 (45:07):
Deal with, right.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
And then so here we are now when I again
seen you at the party, realizing that you guys weren't together,
I'm just like, damn, so you did all this ship
to bat And then again, you don't have to get
into the situation. I'm not even here to talk about that.
But that was kind of justs hardened. It's like, dude,
you put that again. I don't know the situation, but

(45:32):
you went to war from what I saw for this person,
and it's just unfortunate that whatever happened, the circumstances didn't
work out.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (45:43):
And it just it just made me like, damn man,
Like I don't like when bad things or not the
best things happened to great people, you know what I'm saying.
And now the best of the situation, you got to
sign out of situation, right. I know that's you got

(46:04):
a lot more than that, But I'm just from what
I relate to rights as a father, right, seeing you
now going from intern to artists, developing, figuring this thing out,
and now this is another layer to yourself. While you're
figuring yourself out, you're becoming a father. So I know
that that had a lot to do with this next
level and what we see in this album as well.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
You got your.

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Son No on the album, Like talk about where C
five is today as a father, as somebody that's gotten
through this situation, probably still dealing with it, you know
what I mean, but becoming a better man, becoming a father,
you know, we're a C five at today.

Speaker 2 (46:43):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
I definitely feel like I'm on the other side of
a lot of that stuff, bruh. And man, I'm just
so proud of myself, brouh. Just like even from from
when I was going to bat for the mother of
my child when they was attacking her about the race
and stuff, like even how I handled that to the split,

(47:07):
I'm just proud of me. I didn't even know. I
was just strong, bro. Like I gained a lot of
wisdom from it, and and it really showed me that, like, like, Bro,
you're gonna you always gonna be good. Bro, Like you
might have in your head, like we might be in
these situations where be like, man, it'd be feeling like

(47:27):
it's the end of the world or it's gonna be
the end of the world. And I was feeling like that,
and then the my deepest fears happened and I'm still thriving.
It's still going, bro.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Shout out to sentimental to still winning, still winning, bro.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
So it just showed me that, nah, bro, like like
the worst things that ever happened to me was the
best things that could ever happened to me.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
It all come back full circle, Like, oh I went
through that because to to get this to gain this
muscle right here to get better in this avenue. I
just be flipping every every very negative into a positive,
Like every every burden is just a blessing in disguise.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
So yeah, man, man, I'm just grateful. I'm grateful to
be a father.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
I feel like I'm just I gotta like I still
got a lot of love too, Like I don't know,
I got this stay in me, bro where no matter
how many like people could hurt me or whatever the
case may be, I'm still open.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (48:32):
I'm not closed off. I got more discernment now, but
I'm never like like this. I've never closed off. I
mua still be myself. I'm not gonna let with how
this person treated me or what they did to me,
like close me off from receiving the love that's that
could that's for me over here. Yeah, It's like because

(48:53):
the way people you know treat you, it's just a
reflection of how they treat themselves.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
Bro. So well, I mean when I when I hear
this album, I hear a celebration of that celebrate that's
what it is.

Speaker 2 (49:04):
Celebration, Bro.

Speaker 1 (49:06):
I don't want people hearing this to I'm not trying
to make this a down moment at all.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
I just I hear this as a celebration.

Speaker 4 (49:15):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
You've been going through some things and you've made it
on the other side of that, and you you hear
that in the album.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
You see that from you in person. Bro. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
You get that, you get that energy, you get that exchange,
and I'm just proud of you.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Man.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
I'm glad to see you see it still here, still thriving,
and I'm excited to see what's next. You know what
I'm saying, thirteen more albums, Like you know what, what
is the future hole for C five man? Because I
feel like it's only up.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
You know, it's only up, man. We're packing our stadiums.
We're giving back to the youth, bro, taking care of
the elders, and we're gonna still push the line for
this generation too.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
We just gonna keep going. Bro, gonna keep getting better,
We're gonna keep growing. We're gonna keep reaching back to
the to the people that that that brought me up
the ladder. You know what I'm saying, Like, I'm gonna
just keep spreading this love, shining his light, Bro, keep
honoring the most high and yeah, Bro, I don't know

(50:18):
what the I have an idea of what the future whole,
but I know I know almost high. Bro, he got
some probably I can't even fathom. Bro. You know so yeah, Bro,
I'm gonna just keep going man. And yeah, shout out
the mother and my child man, like it's it's love.
It's all love, bro, And shout out my son and yeah,

(50:39):
I'm not I like talking about the the the trials
like you know, it's I I ain't mad at like
talking about like no down moments like nah, because it's
people need to hear this, bro, people know that.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
That kind of leads me to one of my next
questions too, in terms of like somebody that that's hearing
this right now, that's in the thick of it and
in that moment of like things on the outside could
look up, but you know, internally, I'm you just ain't it.
When I wake up, I'm not I'm not feeling it.
Like I go through moments of Okay, this feels cool,

(51:16):
but now I feel knocked back down, Like how do
you talk.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
To somebody in that moment? What do you what do
you tell them?

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Because it seems like you know you can you can
hear these songs and hear you know the.

Speaker 2 (51:28):
Title of these records.

Speaker 1 (51:30):
That sounds great, right, But some some people are really
fighting and I know you notice like some people are
really fighting that. So how do you reach back and
and and break through the noise to to to lift
that person up? What what advice would you give somebody
that's in the think of it right now?

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Hmm, man, that's a good question, bro. What advice would
I give somebody else in the thick of it? I
would tell them if I was with him, I'll be like, man,
you want to pray? Say a prayer. I don't really
like giving advice, bro, but I tell him, you know,

(52:09):
everything is temporary. Everything is temporary, bro, It's not gonna
be like this forever.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
And what do you what do you feel going?

Speaker 3 (52:21):
I told her I was talking to the Little Homie
today because you know, he wanted to come to my
my release party. And he was like, man, man, I
wanted to come. Bruh. I just been dealing with a
lot of problems, bruh, A lot of stuff going on,
But I'm gonna be back. And then the Most High
put it on my spirit to send him a voice message.
I was like, Hey, brouh, don't don't let the the

(52:46):
problems in your life, bro, Like, don't let them stop
you from from being in your purpose like you got
you gotta persevere through them, problems, still work, still can
create through it, bro, Like that's the beautifulest thing has
come out of you when you still stand stall fast. Bro.
The enemy wants you to be like, I got all
these problems. Me stop, let me, let me stop pushing

(53:08):
this issue, let me stop making this music, let me
stop coming to the radio show, because I'm just not
into like nah. Bro, persevere through it, bro, and you're
gonna be proud of yourself.

Speaker 2 (53:18):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (53:18):
You do understand. And I'm just pushing back on a little.
You do understand that even hearing that sometimes that's just hard.
That's hard for some people to like.

Speaker 3 (53:29):
But the problems, the problems never gonna go away. So
if you wait for them to go away, you're gonna
be waiting forever. It's always gonna be something. It's always
gonna be something, bro. Yes, So now I just it'd
be like it's almost like the problems make this thing
fun and make it interesting, bro, It make it interesting.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Like see, it's like a game. Do you at that
point then.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Right, yeah, like we wouldn't even be able to Yeah,
this whole thing is a game. We wouldn't be able
to really chop it up if if I ain't had
no problem, like we had to talk about what I
have to rap about? Could I connect to.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
That is true? What what story would you tell that that?

Speaker 3 (54:10):
That's what That's what I've been telling myself since I
was younger. It's adding to the story. My documentary gonna
be lit, My documentary what what Brother? Inspired? So many
people with all the stuff that I've been through Brother,
they can relate to. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm like,
this is adding to the story when I when I
got a when they didn't select me for the Netflix.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
Thing, Oh that's right, yeah, the rhythm, Yeah, many this.

Speaker 3 (54:36):
Is adding to the story when I when I, when
I am where I'm where I'm going. People gonna see that, like, oh,
man Ce five, he he lost that show, but he
kept going and now look at him. Man, I just
took this L. I should keep going.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
And lessons you say every L was just a lesson
now teaching with the pain, But.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
Which one was that lessons a lesson or some.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
With the vices said, every l was just a lesson.
Now I'm teaching with the pain.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
Damn, That's what I was saying.

Speaker 2 (55:10):
See if I don't even know it's goddamn lyrics.

Speaker 3 (55:13):
Could you go like a couple of bars.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
That's all I got. That's all I got.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I'm teaching with the pain, man Man Paine, purpose bro, pain,
purpose Bro. So but it showed choice. You could let
that pain stagnate you and you could you could you know,
just sit in it and complain about it, or you
could you could use it, Bro, you could use it.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
I like that because I think you really hit on
it dead on. You're gonna go through the ship anyway.
It's never gonna stop, even even when you win, and
even when you get the accolades, even when you get
the success, it ain't gonna stop.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
So why just wallowing it?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Why just sit there and and continuously just get beat up?
You know what I'm saying? Like you said, it asked
to the story. I love that, and I think that
that it's something something people can use why they're in
the thick of it, like because I know, I know
it gets difficult, But that is some tangible advice for
somebody that can like really hold on to.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
That's why I'm be feeling sorry for nobody no more.
I don't feel sorry for myself. Like we all going
through something, bro Like, you know, some people definitely got
it worse than others. But it's like, man, yo, it's
a gift, bro Like, it was a gift that my
pops wasn't around when I needed them the most. Now
I could be there for for mylw Now, now I
could give that to somebody else. So I was like

(56:42):
a gift, bro Like, it was a gift that I
didn't have a big homie around to show me the game.
Now I could give that two Big Foti. I could
be that for Big five because I wish I had,
so it brings me so much joy to to have
Big fully bring him here to Real ninety to show

(57:02):
him something different, because I wish somebody would have did
that for me. But instead of complaining about it, like, man,
why nobody did that for me, I'm gonna go do
it for somebody.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Yeah, yeah, I love that about that As a father,
and I gotta ask this because this is my first
time getting a chance to ask you for some dadvice.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Man, What dadvice?

Speaker 1 (57:22):
As a father would see five gift not only myself
but other dads out there that you've learned as a father,
maybe you can tie into some things that you wish
you would have got from your father and the things
that you're pulling in the know as well.

Speaker 3 (57:37):
Oh man, it's a new one right here. Man. My
dadvice would be, bro, don't stop chasing your dreams and
your aspirations just because you're a father. Like, nah, make
it work. You can make it work, bro, Yeah, because
because if you stop, like, if you stop doing what

(57:58):
you your heart is calling you to do. You showing
your son, you showing your daughter, you showing your kids
that bruh. So nah Like still, nah, you still got
to put you you first, you know what I'm saying.
He definitely what I'm saying, like, take care of your son,
take care of your seat, but brou never stop taking
care of you and and your dreams and your aspirations.

Speaker 2 (58:20):
Yeah No, that's that's that's major. That's the major. I'm I'm.

Speaker 1 (58:24):
My my sons are at the phase now where there
they're raisor sharp looking at everything. Then even things that
I don't say or don't do, they're paying attention to it.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
Like even Chrales other day he said, but you did it.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Oh ship m m.

Speaker 2 (58:41):
But you didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
Oh you're right son, all right that and it can
be in the it doesn't have to be super deep.
It's just that they're paying attention. They are looking. So
I love that you said that because you you hear
all that, and I hear this all the time with
with people. They say, man, and it's nothing wrong.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
I and I.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Echo the same sentiment of being present with your kids
and making sure you're there, but don't give up on
the thing that you love to do, just for this
all by itself. Because once you're in it, that's great.
But then what are you showing them? What's that other
thing that you're doing, what's that extracurricular thing? Like if
they don't see that, it's like okay, I can just

(59:24):
sit up and not do anything too, just like that, Like,
just be careful with it, man, it's that fine line.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Of course, be present, of course, make sure you're you're there.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
But I love that you say that because they have
to see that fire in your eye. They gotta see
that that passion. They gotta see. Oh man, your post
was getting it like he got up and you know
I saw him, you know, pressing up these shirts or
you know what I'm saying, Like I saw him get
on the stage, and like I know, my post is tired.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
He got up and still did this.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Anyway, It's that that fire and it's ultimately we do
that not only ourselves, but for them as well.

Speaker 2 (01:00:01):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
So I'm so glad like you still on it, Bro.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
I'm trying. Bro, I'm on it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
I get I get more fuel every time I talk
to different fathers as well, because it just adds on
to my artillery belt. Man, It's I get That's why
I always ask that because it's like, okay, I can
add on to that animal. I can continue to do
the same thing, you know what I mean, apply the
same knowledge as somebody else has gotten. So I appreciate you, man,
I'm proud of you. Continue going up.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
This is this is just one of many conversations, Bro,
And I'm glad we finally got a chance to make
it for a circle.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:00:36):
Anything else you want to tell the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
People, Bro, before we get up out of you may
go on to plug the project one more time how
they can get it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:43):
What you got coming up? Merch all that brouh or.

Speaker 3 (01:00:46):
Before I go into that, man, I just want to
man a big photo mic and say something right up, yo,
what's so? What's suck?

Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
Yo? Forty? Where are you from? How did you meet C?

Speaker 1 (01:00:56):
Five?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
And how is he as a big homie?

Speaker 4 (01:00:59):
So the thing is, I grew up all around the
West Coast, just man, coming out of Section eight, gays,
just poverty, man, just everywhere, honestly, just ever really having
a stable place. So eventually I ended up being in
the valley because my mom didn't you know, like she
didn't want this environment for me. So I came to

(01:01:23):
the valley. I was like, you know, doing my thing
out there. I missed some cool people, you know. I
started I started really taking like initiative into making music.
So eventually I was doing performance and Fire was performing
there too, So it was cool because like I was like,

(01:01:46):
I was looking at everybody. I was like, man, I'm
going to try to outperform.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Everybody as you should.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
And what happened was I I seen like the third
I think it was like the third or it was
someone that was after me, and then it was C five.
And it's funny because I've seen Fight's videos before, but
it didn't really click that it was five. But we

(01:02:16):
chopped it up over there and we had a good conversation.

Speaker 2 (01:02:19):
So yeah, that's good man.

Speaker 1 (01:02:22):
I love I love the fact that it's coming for
a circle. Man, Like you're saying, you're providing with you
felt like not even like felt like you should have had,
but you're you're you're you're feeling the void for that person.
The things that you didn't necessarily get when you can't got,
you know, come up. So you're pouring into other individuals man,
like forty. What what is what stood out about forty

(01:02:42):
to you to say, Man, this is somebody that I
do want to pour into.

Speaker 3 (01:02:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:48):
Man.

Speaker 3 (01:02:48):
He was just he was he was respectful, you said,
mild manner. Uh, you know, it's just I just seen
his light. I just seen his light. He's he's receptive,
He listen, and he want to be better. Bro, he
want to get better. That's that's what I really like.
And I see I see that, I see me and him.

(01:03:09):
Yeah real yeah. So, like I said, it's like me
not having somebody like that in my life was a
was a gift that now I can I could I
could give and it's a gift that he's in my
life for me to to get that fulfillment, to be
able to give Bro, like all all this stuff, that

(01:03:33):
all the wisdom and all the stuff that I've been through.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
And and you can he saved something different. If you
can save some years in his journey that I mean,
that's what it's forward to. You can you can keep
him from going to Atlanta? You know what I'm saying, Like,
you know what I mean, save saving a journey or too.
I always asked this question. We'll close it out with this.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
The year can't end without C five doing what What
are some things that you got I don't want to
say bucket lists, but like what are some things that
you just like, like you got your eyes set on
right now that you're like, you know, the year can't
end without me doing this, making this happen.

Speaker 3 (01:04:07):
Overcoming the porn really Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
Yeah, that's a whole different goddamn conversation.

Speaker 3 (01:04:15):
Yeah, that's that. That's the that's the top. Go right now, Bro,
you over are struggling. Man, it'd be a struggle from
times for sure. Like I've been actually doing I've been
doing great. Yeah, I have, Like I go on spurs
and then I slip.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Up, relapse, relapsed it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:34):
But I feel like I got more power over it
now than it got over me. I've had plenty of fails.
I've been, I've been. I've been at it since like September,
like September last year, where yeah, and I've had many fails, bro,
but I feel like I have more power over it
now than it has over me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
So now I can't let you go without you provide
some inteiling insight.

Speaker 2 (01:04:59):
How do you overcome? How do you? How do you
overcome that?

Speaker 1 (01:05:02):
Okay, because I know that somebody looking like damn, I'm
struggling with that as well.

Speaker 2 (01:05:06):
What does that look like?

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
With strategies like how do you how do you yourself
keep yourself away from that? When it's you can literally
get on on Twitter x that it's right on the.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
Timeline, it's right there. Well, so one thing I did
is delete X. I have done that, but I brought
it back.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
So I like tweeting, like my thoughts sometimes, be careful,
get tricky.

Speaker 3 (01:05:29):
Yeah, facts facts, But I went into the the preferences,
like the sensitivity preferences on Instagram. I put less so
it's les yeah, less sensitive content content. I got an
app it's called brain Buddy if you if you want
to get that. It clocked the days that you've been

(01:05:49):
off it, like you could write them. It's like victory
letters and stuff like that. I got a book it's
called Fight the Beasts, And yeah, bro, I just I try.
I try to just when I'm feeling the urge, I
like go work out or take a take a walk,

(01:06:10):
things like that. And I got a list of the
way it makes me feel after and then a list
of how I feel when I'm not off it. So
I got all the coinds of after I do that,
and I'll be like I don't want to feel like that.
I'll be feeling so good, like like right now I
feel good. It's like, and then when I do it,

(01:06:32):
I just you're not thinking clearly, I'm not as I'm
not as witty my energy to just it don't. It
ain't hitting the same, bro, it ain't hitting the same.
So but but yeah, first I educated myself on it.
You know, knowledge is really power. So like now that
I know this thing is bad for me and what
it's doing to me, all right, now I gotta do
something now. I got the confliction on me and now

(01:06:54):
I gotta do better, like when got to do better?

Speaker 2 (01:06:57):
So what if I'm a pushback?

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
What if the argument there there's an argument out there
with somebody says, Mina, it's just it helps you release
it just it keeps you, It keeps you your brain clear.
Because you have people that say that like, oh no,
this actually helps me not think about other shit. Or
it's go chase the mission, you saying, go shake the dice.

Speaker 2 (01:07:18):
You're done. You know what I'm saying, You ain't got
to worry about any thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:20):
So for somebody that's in that situation and they're they're
looking at it from the other perspective, is it just hey,
this journey just isn't for you, or it's no, it's
a it's a kind of like a once shoe fits
all situation.

Speaker 2 (01:07:31):
I know, I think everybody needs to kind of explore
eliminating this for their life.

Speaker 3 (01:07:36):
Well you know, every everybody different, Like it might work
for some some people, but you know, I guess I
would ask that person, man, have you seen the other
side of it, like have you been off it and
seeing how you feel? And if if it worked, bro
like work. I just I just am scientifically proven like
these things. I'm telling you it is like scientifically proven.

(01:07:58):
But you know there's outliars, gotcha, bab, But everybody gotta
do the work for them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
May just get to the other side either way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Man, I'm getting there. I feel like I'm near, Bro,
I'm near. I feel like I'm on like the victory
lap right now. Man, rest in peace, Nip man, long
live nip. Hey, Danny, Bro, you want to say something
before we get off, Bruh.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
It's actually about to close out right now. The Tom's there, But.

Speaker 3 (01:08:18):
Shout out Danny major Man, Man, I love you, Bro,
thanks for shooting on my videos, brouh and just being
a great friend.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Pan over to him real quick, real quick, Just pan
over to a minute. Shout out to Danny. Shout out
to forty C five. Thank you so much. I appreciate you, brother.

Speaker 3 (01:08:30):
Thank you Bro, Love you, Brouh.

Speaker 1 (01:08:31):
Absolutely love you too, Man, Tom Brown, Chuck, dis live Direct.

Speaker 2 (01:08:35):
We'll catch you all next time. Se