Let's Have a Convo ft. Reason

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Are we back at it?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Home Grown Radio Chuck Dizz on DJ Head live from
the Fab Factory Studios, the.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
Fat Factory Studios. We got our brothers in here. Reason
season man outright now.

Speaker 3 (00:19):
Reason been moving around and.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Real quick for the folks looking right here on camera
and even when you're listening to us, Man, I got
to be a great father today. My son starts schooling,
so I might have to walk out if I do.
Don't be alarmed. You just see DJ Head's face. Family first.

Speaker 3 (00:34):
Family first, and that's why you hear a reason man.
Portion is out right now. You've been moving. We were
talking off camera.

Speaker 4 (00:39):
Man, like I'm just I'm just so blown at how much,
how how you've been moving like you've been everywhere, like
and I'm glad to see it because you don't see
that from a lot of artists who quote unquote go
to another level. You don't see people making the rounds
like yeah. And so I'm just I was like, damn,
I'm just glad to see you with Dezi g. I
was glad to see you with differ and people I

(01:00):
don't normally see people with.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:03):
For me, it was like, uh it was it was
done purposely, like I I'm big on Me and Chuck
actually had this conversation about a week or two ago.
But I'm big on like trying to get the give
the West Coast media all the looks that I can
possibly give, because of course we got to go do
the New York thing, but it's like we got to
also start building stables here. So it's funny because me
and Desie been talking about doing that ship for maybe

(01:24):
like a year now, and I kept telling him, like, yo,
we gotta wait for the right time we got it.
I could tell that he started getting like, and this
nigga not doing it. So I told him, I was like,
you're gonna be the first freestyle stop that I do.
Like I'm gonna make sure that that's the first one
out to get that I do. And that shit came
out dope. It came out super sipid dope. Yeah, super dope.
I actually, and I'm gonna you know me, I'm always

(01:44):
telling you, I actually really appreciated the album because I
feel like it was very honest and purpose Thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It was extreme.

Speaker 4 (01:54):
It was honestly, it was way more honest than I
than I ever gave you credit. For like on previous projects,
it was like I'm dope, I'm dope, I'm dope, Yeah,
I get it. This one was like real mirror reflection, vulnerable, vulnerable.
It was vulnerable, and I was just like, damn, okay,
I didn't know honestly, didn't know you had it in
you to to No, that's not true. I knew you

(02:17):
had it in you, but I didn't think that you
would do it this soon.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yeah, yeah, give give that because that that one's usually
saved from when you get to that that apex of
where you at you know what I mean, and stuff
like that. But I always been that way with the music,
Like I started doing the music for therapeutical reasons. So bro,
it's crazy because this I missed, super personal, super vulnerable.
But it's joints that I cut that was like even
way more like on the project that's not on the project.

(02:43):
I don't know if y'all saw the live performance I
did with Rory, but there's an unreleased joint on there
that was hell like so personal that I was nervous like,
and I was like, man, I don't even know if
I want to even give niggas this much of my life.
You get what I'm saying, but that's what I started
doing music for. When I ask myself if I want
to be that person, I'll always tell myself like, you know,

(03:03):
this is what you started doing it for us to
a make you feel better, but then be given to
other people and if they went through something similar, then they,
you know what I mean, can kind of get that
off also and be like, oh, this is the soundtrack
of what I'm going through right now, and you know
he got through it. So it shows me that I'm
not alone and this shit?

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Is there a reason?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Why?

Speaker 1 (03:20):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (03:20):
Is it more or less I just don't like people
knowing my life like that?

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Or is it like specific events that took place I
didn't get a chance to see it, So is it
a life event that happened or is it more or less?

Speaker 3 (03:29):
Man, I just don't want to feel back that Lyrigs.

Speaker 5 (03:31):
Yet it be a combination about to be like I
don't want to feel back that, and then it also
is like, you know, these are these stories are also
about close people in my life, so people that like,
let's say, like, you know, I got a bunch of
people that know who I am, but like, let's say,
in my inner bubble of who Rob is. It might
be seven hundred people that know me on a personal level,

(03:52):
all seven hundred of them know Dante all seven hundred
of them.

Speaker 6 (03:56):
No, Ali, all seven hundred.

Speaker 5 (03:57):
So it's like, if you put that out there, all
seven hundred people like, yeah, I'm good because I've accepted
the fact that I'm putting my shit out there. But
it's Ali good with seven hundred people knowing that this
should happen. You know what I'm saying, that's Dante good.
Is my pop's good with brother. It's my brother good
with seven hundred people. And that's kind of exactly my cousin,
you know what I mean, learned that lesson, and so
that's what I had to start understanding. It's like, it

(04:19):
ain't about you, it's about like I'm used to being
publicly praised and scrutinized, you know what I'm saying, Like
people gonna fell away in a good way, people gonn
fee away in a bad way. I'm getting used to
that more and more as the shit go on, you
know what I'm saying. But they didn't sign up for that.
So that's kind of where the hesitancy on a lot
of shit.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (04:38):
You know what I'm saying now.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
I was going to ask about that those conversations though,
because that's that's again, that's super honest. I honestly didn't
think about it from that perspective of like, yeah, this
is we know what we signed up for. We in
this public space, when the cameras are on, the MIC's
are on, we know what we're doing. But you are
affecting other people, affecting other people. So when those conversations
are brought up to you, is it more or less?
Was their resistance for those first conversation, It's just like, man,

(05:00):
you you know who I am and what I do,
Like why why are you tripping it? Did you have
to kind of humble yourself and be like god, damn okay,
I understand.

Speaker 5 (05:07):
I had to humble myself. I have to step outside
of my ego. My ego was telling me like like
just to be completely honest, like like, nigga, you know
who I am, like you my friend, and if I
want to talk about something like I'm reason, I can
talk about it like you. You got a friend and reason
your niggas come to the free shows and do this
and do that, like you're telling me I can't like
that was my ego, you get what I'm saying. But
I had to understand that, like, you know, they signed

(05:30):
up to be my friend as just a regular person
a long time before this, you know what I mean.
Like and yeah, exactly, fuck with Rob, you know what
I mean. So it's like, nah, they didn't sign up
for a ship. So it's like and sometimes I even ask
people if they cool with me talking about something. Uh
they say yes, and I'll double back before come out
and be like, hey, it's in the platform, this video out,

(05:56):
like yeah, you know what I'm saying, Like like, uh,
my boy Dante, and I know he don't care about
me talking about this, but I put up like a
video preview on the song and I'm talking about Dante's
situation with the mother of his child and how that
affects Dante and his life and his current girlfriend. And
I asked him, I was like, Yo, you cool when
me putting this video up? He was like yeah, bet

(06:17):
And then I posted the video up and he was
like I should have rethought that.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
He was no way you can take.

Speaker 5 (06:29):
It, was like, you know, like like he was like
it's all good because I said, yes, it is.

Speaker 7 (06:32):
It is.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
But he was like, you know, it definitely caused a
little a little bit of friction, you know what I mean.
But I think that they're learning along with me, you
know what I mean, Like they be on the front
lines with me with everything, and they're learning all of
this shit along too. They they're learning that they can't
respond to everything online because then then my family, So
it's like they ready to go if anything is said
about it. They've had to take this journey with me

(06:53):
and be like, you know, like we also have to
kind of step back away from certain shit, can't talk
about certain shit publicly, so you know, it all comes out.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
I think you So I'm so I'm gonna give you
my perspective, and I was I wanted to talk to
you off air, but he was like, that's right, So
my perspective on everything right as far as it's going
on with you. So when the album was was announced,
I'm like, Okay, cool album coming out. I know you

(07:20):
have been working on it for a long time because
we had been in the studio and you'll play me
like a couple of joints or what you.

Speaker 5 (07:25):
Would heard like of like maybe five or six of
the joints already.

Speaker 4 (07:28):
Right, so I'm like, okay, it's coming out whatever. And
then as the rollout has happened, I mean, as you're
starting to like, all right, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm coming,
I'm like, all right, cool.

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Then I start seeing like all this other shit going on.

Speaker 4 (07:42):
What I didn't expect was the stuff that you would
definitely It's almost like remember how packin Biggie would forecast
their their demise on that record. It was like, as
the drama was happening with you on the internet, I
start hearing it on the album and I'm like, oh, well,
you spoke this into it. This stupid as I was,

(08:05):
I was like, I'm listening to because okay, so so
I'm gonna go through it.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
Right.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
So I'm listening to gang Ship. And as I'm listening
to the gang Ship, you're talking about like who's the
next Kendrick and you know, you like, I don't give
a I'm me like, you know, like and you got
to deal with all this pressure and stuff like that,
And I'm.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Like, okay, cool.

Speaker 4 (08:24):
And then as the as all of the dramas going there,
I'm like, as I'm listening to the album, post after
after the drama, Like, bro, you this is like a.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
Weather forecast like this this is Saturday.

Speaker 5 (08:40):
Go on.

Speaker 4 (08:41):
You jumped into the Lorean almost and made it. So
what's your perspective on Like how involved? I mean, how
much do you involve? Like uh, like td E when
you're recording the album, because I already know the process.
I'm so I know the process. You let them hear wreck,
you play it for him whatever. But they didn't heard

(09:02):
these records.

Speaker 6 (09:03):
Yeah they heard them. They heard them.

Speaker 4 (09:04):
So but what I guess from your perspective, it's like,
since I already put it in the record, you heard
the record, Like is it cool for me?

Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's cool for me to talk about this shit? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (09:13):
Or not?

Speaker 6 (09:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:14):
And so okay, so a few things, So, uh, windows
Cry on my last album. To me, that's the only
time that I forecasted things happening because I talked about
you know the fact that you know this is top son,
there is this conflict interest, this could happen, that could happen.
Dave is running the shit. You trying to be as

(09:34):
big as dot. That's best friend. Like that's just me
being I'm a very observant perspective based nigga, you know
what I'm saying. So that's just me doing that all
the other stuff. It wasn't really, in my opinion, forecast
because I was living through it. When I was talking
about it, y'all just didn't see it, you know what
I'm saying. So I wasn't really forecasting it. I was

(09:55):
more just talking about how I was feeling in those moments,
like I can't help it. When I write music, that's
all I talk about, you know what I mean. That
was actually like a struggle for me at one point,
Like there was like a four month span where it
was hard for me to write records because I was
in such an unhappy place that I'm like, that's the
only thing that I can talk about, and if I
talk about it, it's not gonna.

Speaker 6 (10:17):
Go well, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
So it was hard for me to write records because
I'm like, if I talk about this stuff, it's gonna
be perceived a certain way and it's gonna rub certain
people wrong. And but at the same time, I can't
fake it. I don't know how to go to the
studio and just rap about shit that's not actually happening,
you know what. I'm saying, I'm the same nigga that
started smoking so I could rap about it. I didn't
smoke before, you know what I'm saying. And I was like,

(10:39):
I want to rap about weed, So I got I
got a spark.

Speaker 6 (10:41):
I gotta smoke.

Speaker 5 (10:42):
I gotta smoke a little bit of weed. I don't
smoke at a time, but I'm like, I smoking up
to where I can.

Speaker 6 (10:45):
I can. My my authenticity can't let.

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Me write it.

Speaker 5 (10:48):
If I'm doing this, I can't write it if I
I know it sounds crazy, so I can rap about it.
I had weed lines, but I'm I felt nasty putting
them on. I felt nasty, Like I'm not like I
feel nasty talking about shit that's not true, or bragging
about something in a way that's not Like I can't

(11:08):
write smoking on gas and I don't smoke.

Speaker 6 (11:11):
That's crazy to me. I don't know how niggas do that.

Speaker 5 (11:13):
So for me, it was like I was writing about
those things in real time. So I know a lot
of people kind of look at it like it was
forecasting because they didn't know that those things was going on.

Speaker 6 (11:22):
But for me, that was it.

Speaker 5 (11:23):
And then it's funny because when we just talked about.
When you speak to people close to you about the records,
I always ask them, are y'all good when we putting
this out? And I think same thing. I think that
while I'm growing, I think that they're growing. I think
that sometimes they'll say that they're good with it and
then to get out there and then they like, we
wasn't good, you know what I'm saying, Like and so,
And that's not a knock on them. That's just we

(11:45):
humans and we learn it, you know what I mean. Like,
and I think that you know, there was learning lessons
in that. Like I think if there was a situation
where I came back and was like, yo, are you
good with that thing?

Speaker 6 (11:52):
Niggas be like nah.

Speaker 7 (11:56):
Nah.

Speaker 5 (11:58):
And I also think that on my end, I would
approach these songs in situations differently, also because I'm growing
and learning also.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
So so let me tell you so I didn't the reason.
So there's multiple layers to this. When everything was going down,
I didn't call you purposely. I actually expected to get
a call from you. I didn't call you purpose I
got a call from glasses. I know you did because
you set the groups on fire. All the group chats
from all of them. I'm every group I got, every

(12:26):
group time I got, it was all of them fire.
There's a whole inferno, and you need to talk to him.
I'm like, listen, bro, I'm gonna so I'm gonna tell
you the truth because the same thing I told them,
I said, I haven't talked the Reason in a long
time because and I want to get into rich Marodgers,

(12:49):
but I haven't talked the Reason a long time. I said,
Reason is very arrogant. He's very thinks he knows everything.
And I was like, I'm just gonna let I'm not
gonna insert myself and none of this. Right, So what
I did say when I said to them, I'm like,
there's a multiple layers that y'all don't understand. Is nuanced
to the conversations, right, I said, Reason has continuously said

(13:13):
little things here and there right where it might have
been true, it might have been how you felt, but
he said little things.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
But then you also have situations where you.

Speaker 4 (13:21):
Know the situation, like you know what you're getting yourself
into when you do it, Like me and him talk
about like artists, who's when they sign the labels and
stuff like that, like you know people who take pub deals.
If I give you a publishing deal and I give
you half a million dollars for your publishing, you can't
then spend the money and then be like, beney my money, bro.
You signed the deal, so you understand, so then you

(13:42):
also and then like them it is my niggas, Like
I know these dudes twenty years. Yeah, it'd be some
nigga shit going on at times, but then it also
is music business going on. So at the same time,
I'm looking at it like I haven't. I didn't call
you because I'm like, damn, none to do with me,
and I didn't want to discuss it because it didn't
it didn't serve any reason. I didn't have anything fruitful

(14:05):
to all right, But what I did notice is that
I'm listening to the album and I'm like, you had
already preempted and taken responsibility for all of these things.
And that's something that I told them. I told them,
I told Chuck and everybody else. I'm like, Reason is
not dumb, I said, literally, I said, low key on
the low Reason is one of the smartest people doing this.

(14:25):
Like he's not he's college he's educated, he's like he's
not a dumb motherfuckers, right you and Soul probably the
too smartest, one of the too smartest rappers on the
West West. I don't know in the game maybe at
this point. Right so, I'm like, Reason is too smart
to get himself into these situations. And now it's not

(14:46):
understand what's come with it. But you don't you understand
fully what comes with these situations, which goes into Rich
Morodgers where you almost own every aspect of yourself. And
I thought that was so dope because I was like,
that's what I was looking for. I was looking for
that moment and it didn't play out on the Internet,
but it played. But it played out in the music,

(15:08):
in the music, which I respect because that's what Dot does,
that's what Hove does.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
You don't never hear hope of address anything.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
It is always on the album exactly, and so I
just respected that that component of it. But I think
that's what people are missing from Reason.

Speaker 5 (15:20):
Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. It's uh, that's what Rich
Mirages was.

Speaker 6 (15:25):
It was.

Speaker 5 (15:26):
We called it mirages because it's like a reflection, you
know what I'm saying, But it's a reflection to something
that's actually not there.

Speaker 6 (15:32):
So to me, that's what ego is.

Speaker 5 (15:34):
Ego is when you tell yourself or put things in
your head that aren't really true. Reason is the greatest
rapper of all time. It's not really true, you know
what I'm saying. But it's like it's it's a reflection
of how you see yourself or how you see yourself,
but it's not actually true. You get what I'm saying.
So that's why we named it rich Mirages, and that's
what it is. I feel like I'm a very accountable person.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
You know.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
I've always known like like me, me and Mussa and
a bunch of niggas from the label. It's not always
it sucks because it's like Moosa's name gets thrown in
front of all of this shit, and it's there's so
many layers to it. Like you said, you get what
I'm saying. But We've had so many conversations where I've
been accountable and been like you know, like okay, you
know that I shouldn't have said that, like I was.

(16:14):
I was kind of wilding, you know what I'm saying,
or or this that shouldn't happen, you know what I mean,
Whatever the case may be for me, it's like you said,
it's it's I knew everything this time around. I knew
what I was getting myself into. I knew what I
was getting myself into speaking my truth. I knew all
of the things that could potentially come with it. I
didn't know it was gonna be as big as it got,
but I knew all the things that could potentially come

(16:35):
with it. And for me, it was just like, I'm like, like,
what am I gonna do, Like get out there and
like tell a lie, like based off of what I've
been through like that, I'm not gonna be able to
like sleep at night. I'm not gonna be able to
be in my own space and be mentally healthy with
myself if I'm if a nigga asked me a direct

(16:57):
question and I gotta lie about it to say faces
like nah, this is light, bro. Everybody isn't always going
to agree with how things are done. Everybody's not gonna
always agree with the path that nigga should take, you
know what I mean. And I think that they have
their valid points, you know what I'm saying. I'm not
gonna even say they we have our valid points, you
know what I'm saying, Because we all on the same team.

(17:17):
It's just about how that's that's delivered.

Speaker 6 (17:19):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 5 (17:19):
But I still stand on on everything that I've always
believed in and this shit, like I feel like the
music industry in the way that it is, which is
similar to what me and Glasses was talking about, I'm like, like,
I hear you, but I but I don't hear you
because I feel like there's a there's a way that
things can be done to where I think that it's

(17:40):
it's a broken system. And I'm not even talking about TV.
I'm just someone in general. I think it's a broken system.
And me and my homies we laugh about it because
we like the industry is lazy. It's it's so broken
and niggas won't even attempt to fix it. Like everything
that's going on with the strikers, with the strike, with
the writers' guil, shit been happening in music facts, Nobody
said shit. I just I just said, nobody said shit.

(18:01):
You get what I'm saying, So, like, like it's been
having a music So you're telling me that, Like, am
I wrong for speaking up on some shit that's been
broken just because nobody else is say it's broke, Like, Nah,
I'm gonna be going to go to say it's broken,
like and if you feel a way about me for
saying that, then you can feel a way about me
for saying that.

Speaker 6 (18:17):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (18:18):
But it's like this industry has been broken. They got
the AI shit going on, nobody is. Everybody's too lazy
to make laws to figure out how to control that.
That shit is gonna run wild and nobody's gonna say anything.
Everybody's just gonna sit there and be like, damn, that's crazy.

Speaker 6 (18:31):
Oh AI song just got submitted for a Grammy.

Speaker 5 (18:33):
We just we just talked about it, you know what
I'm saying, Like, and nobody's gonna do any I'm telling
you right now, nobody's gonna do anything. Everybody's just going
to sit there and allow the shit to be broken,
you know what I'm saying. And that's just never been
how I was put together. I don't know how to
do that.

Speaker 1 (18:47):
Do you think that? Okay?

Speaker 4 (18:49):
So I agree with you because we were just talking
about how the song got now or is eligible eligible
it's eligible and whatnot. But when you look at it, like,
what's the difference, wrench, what's the like I literally made
the same.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
Comparable to the right right the strike right.

Speaker 4 (19:07):
And music is probably the last thing that ever gets
affected by change in any industry, mainly hip hop music. Right,
we get the trickle down effect that Taylor Swift had
to go do some whole wild ship for people to
even know what's going on in streaming. You know what
I'm saying, Taylor's just like take everything.

Speaker 6 (19:26):
Down, take everything down, everything down, and.

Speaker 1 (19:32):
Then everybody and now the white people like, wait, what's
going on? Bro?

Speaker 6 (19:36):
And with that, you know what I'm saying, Like, so.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I agree with you, but I also think that the
system is broken. It's been broken, broken, but it's founded
upon a foundation that was broken. So it's like you
can't really fix something on broken foundation.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
You damn near got to. It's a rebuild at this point,
it's a tear down rebuild.

Speaker 4 (19:55):
I'm going from the from from the from the ground
upright in the complete industry point executives, artists, production, labels, everything, right,
So what do you start?

Speaker 1 (20:06):
Where do you start that process?

Speaker 5 (20:08):
I think you started in what is like, I think
you started legitimately, and like what is a label?

Speaker 6 (20:14):
Like?

Speaker 5 (20:14):
I think that the term labels has a negative connotation.
It's almost like saying something is mid. Mid just means average,
But average now has a If you tell a woman
she looks average, she thinks should call on us, you
know what I'm saying. So it's like it has a
negative connotation on it. So I think that you start
with what is a label when you look at all
the things that and just for the listeners out there,
we're not talking about TV now, we're talking about the

(20:35):
entire thing industry, So you start to me, you start
with the relationship between artists and label and distributor.

Speaker 6 (20:42):

Speaker 5 (20:42):
There's like normal things that are like predatory in the
music industry that I don't understand because niggas can still
get rich and make money without this, you know what
I'm saying. So, like, for example, like if you have
an artist that doesn't want to be on a label
no more, they don't think that they're getting the proper looks,
push whatever the case may be, how does it value

(21:04):
the label or the artists to keep that artist there.
So like, even if you're in the red as a business,
even if you're in the red, how do you get
out of the red by keeping that artist there because
you can't put out another project because you got to
spend money, and you'll probably go deeper in the red,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you probably go deeper.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
In the red.

Speaker 6 (21:22):
So how does it value you to keep that artist there?

Speaker 5 (21:25):
So I don't even think like artists that are stuck
in contracts to me that don't even make business sense,
Like I went to school for business, that don't make
business sense. If I have a building that I started
a restaurant in, then my building is not making money
as you know what I mean, it's not making money
as a restaurant. How does it value me to keep
the building right? Like, no, I'm gonna try to sub
least the building or you know, do something in order

(21:48):
to get it off. And yes, I might take a loss,
but I'm not going to keep that's ego and pride
Like that doesn't make sense. So that's just one example
of like a bunch of things in the industry that
doesn't make sense. But it's driven off of pride and
ego is driven off of everybody thinking that they are
the more important piece. Artists think the most important piece
because they make the music labels think they're the most
important piece because they put the build Distribution companies think

(22:10):
they're the most important piece because they're the ones that
get the music out there, when it's not a true partnership.
To me, it should be a true partnership. And what's
beneficial for everybody? I think if you start there, then
that builds a community of people actually caring about one another,
which is probably not even me to say, cause niggas
don't really give a fuck about each other. But it
builds a community and people actually caring about each other.

(22:31):
And now when people actually care about each other, now
we can start to move as a unit to tackle
other issues, you know what I'm saying. Like, so, yeah,
Taylor took all her shit down, But what happened if Taylor, Drake,
Kendrick Cole, in the top whoever, the top ten of
them all took their shit down simultaneously and be like, Yo,
we're not putting our shit back up until the streaming
the amount that you get paid per stream changes, they

(22:52):
would have no choice but.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
To do it.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
Or let's say, let's take it even further. What happened
if all ten of them, Yeah you did this? Niggas
thought he was crazy? What happened if all ten of them,
if Yay started a different streaming company and then all
ten of them went to that streaming that's what to be.
That's what it was supposed to be, but nobody got
behind it. You get what I'm saying, Like the artists
didn't really bigot the way that they should have, you
get what I'm saying. Like, So, but I think that
it starts with community, like you can't expect It's like

(23:15):
the NFL. You can't expect niggas to care about each
other when everything is so separating and for self, you
know what I'm saying. That's why the NBA gets what
they deserve in the NFL. These niggas that give up
their rights to smoke weed, you know what I'm saying,
They don't make no sense. But then the NBA will
band together and be like, oh nah, that owner races.
Ain't none of us playing until you take that owner
team away. Like they didn't come here for the owners,

(23:35):
they came here for the athletes, you know what I mean. So,
I think it takes a certain level of community and togetherness.
Do I think it's realistic? Maybe not in our lifetime,
you know what I mean. But at the same time,
it don't mean that you can't start somewhere, you know
what I mean. And that's kind of how I feel
about it. It's like, niggas got to start somewhere.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
But that also comes with sacrifice, and a lot of
people aren't willing to sac.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
A lot of people aren't willing to sacrifice.

Speaker 5 (23:57):
But that thought it's crazy to me because it's like
you literally are sacrificing. You just don't view it as
a sacrifice because you liveing in it. So it's like
if you live in let's say you live in a
broken down community and you like, damn if I want
to get out of this community, like I got to
save my money, which means I can't go out, I
can't drink, I can't do this, I can't do this.
I got to save my money to get.

Speaker 6 (24:17):
Out of there. Now.

Speaker 5 (24:18):
I don't want to make that sacrifice. Nigga, You sacrifice
and every day when you live in this motherfucker. You
know what I'm saying, Like that don't make sense, Like
that's what a lot of this shit don't make sense
to me. And I think that's where I get in
troubles because I be when it don't make sense. I
speak on the fact that it don't make sense to me.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
What would you be willing to sacrifice for a change
in the industry.

Speaker 6 (24:35):
I'll be willing to sacrifice everything.

Speaker 4 (24:37):
Would you be willing to not make money off music? Yeah,
in order to change the ecosystem? Yeah, I would go
get a job.

Speaker 6 (24:43):
I have one.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Would you be willing to we?

Speaker 5 (24:45):
You mean like I had a job before I signed
up making ninety thousand dollars a year, you know what
I'm saying? Like I can, I can go get a
job and put on a suit and recruit niggas or
you know, engineer or whatever, or go and get an
IT certificate. Shouldna take six months again and start right
out at eighty five thousand dollars a year?

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Like I would.

Speaker 6 (25:03):
I would do that, Like I have.

Speaker 5 (25:05):
Plans of starting my own label and doing things differently.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
What you're gonna be called?

Speaker 6 (25:09):
I don't want to talk about.

Speaker 5 (25:10):
It because we literally like literally like yeah, yeah, trying
to still figure it all out and whatnot.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Okay, that's that's a lot.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
But I do want to say, Oh, one the other
part that I was talking about when it comes to you,
is you being so authentic and I think that people
that's jarring to be because I noticed, I've noticed that
I haven't been PC, but I definitely have toned it
down a lot because I fully understand, like, oh, people

(25:41):
don't accept that.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
They don't they don't rack with it. Because even even.

Speaker 4 (25:45):
Like I agree with you with a lot of stuff
you say, but then you'll say something on Twitter, I'm like, oh,
I can't wait to see how this is gonna go.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
I'm not. It's like, let me see how this is
gonna go. This ain't for sure.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
When you're when you are expressing yourself, and you and
you're definitely expressive. When you're expressing yourself, do you think
about you? Do you think about the positive or the
negative of those or both, or do you consider them
or not at all.

Speaker 5 (26:14):
I always think about the consequence and then ask myself,
can I.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Live with the consequence before you do it?

Speaker 6 (26:19):
Before I do it?

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Like I won't say always because I hate saying always,
But ninety five percent of the time I think about
the consequence, and the other five percent it's when I'm
drinking and I'm not thinking about the consequence because I'm drinking.
I wish we'll we'll get into that, but yeah, you
brought five percent. Like it's when I'm drinking, and when
I'm drinking, I'm now talking to the homies and the
entire world is the homies, and I can't talk to

(26:43):
the entire world like they the homies.

Speaker 1 (26:45):
Like handle that pressure. I drink too much?

Speaker 6 (26:47):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (26:48):
Too much is something that and me and him, I mean,
he can get into his stuff. But you talked about it. Bruh,
y'all talking about it? Yeah, okay, which I appreciate. I
appreciate the conversation a lot because I said that this
other part transparency is this other part that I told
him because I recognized it because me and him went
through that, I was like, oh, he has a drinking problem.

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Do you feel like you have a drinking problem or
have you had a drinking problem?

Speaker 5 (27:11):
Yes, I feel like I have a drinking problem, and
I feel like the issue with my drinking problem is
that I'm a really good drunk and so it gets
me in trouble because it makes me feel like I
can put myself in spaces that I shouldn't be drunking.
I'm like, oh, I probably shouldn't drink here, but like
I can handle myself, so I'm a drink anyway.

Speaker 1 (27:29):
Because so is that like a is that a thing?

Speaker 4 (27:32):
Because I don't know, but is that something like that
you think about, like, oh, I'm good.

Speaker 3 (27:36):
Yeah, I mean that that's literally what it is.

Speaker 6 (27:39):
It's straight like, yeah, this don't bother me.

Speaker 2 (27:41):
The moment that it was funny because around that time
that you we kind of had those conversations, if it
being serious, is right around the time that my talerance
started to change. Before I was that I was that
good drunk too. I was you know, I wasn't a
belligerent drunk. I was a happy drunk.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
So I was cool.

Speaker 5 (27:55):
Saying I can't start when I'm d I know some
niggas that auto as soon as they do.

Speaker 6 (28:03):
I don't do that. I don't get weird with women
when I'm drying. I don't do none of that.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
You know, those are those are some weird, weird activities
right when certain people drink. But if anything, for me,
you know, it's just more I'm more happy, more positive, right,
And the one thing that was really dangerous for me
was the fact that I felt like I needed it
in settings like this. It was like, oh, I had
to have this is an alcohol by the way, but

(28:26):
I needed this to kind of loosen up have a conversation.
Like and I'm a social person, but for me, it
just I needed stuff like this to kind of keep going.
So yeah, it was one of those mental things like
I'm straight, I'm not I'm not hanging over. As a
matter of fact, when you told me, For full transparency
for the people that didn't know, when you told me
that night we were on air, you were like, yo,
you were slurring over your words. I thought that was
that sounded not because I'm like. He came many times

(28:52):
at the apartment Margaret Street, even while I was on
air sometimes and I'm like, man, you know this about
me and I'm good.

Speaker 4 (28:59):
He was like, bro, No, this time for sure, I
was because he came to work and we was on
the radio and he was drunk, live live like live
hot mics live.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Right. We're like, but I'm good, he's done.

Speaker 4 (29:16):
While I'm DJing, he turning the mic on, wrapping over
the words on the.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Radio, I'm providing the vibe for the night. I'm good.

Speaker 6 (29:25):
I'm at a concerts.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
So just to kind of go back in my head
that I'm good, I'm I'm having a good time, you
know that what we do is entertainment, this is media,
this is radio. I dreamed about doing this since I
was little, so it's like I dreamed of moments like this.
So I'm having a good time. So when you said that,
and when you say that, yo, I'm good, I'm a
good drunk. And even at the night of the first

(29:50):
release party, I couldn't tell. And even when you were
saying you were like, yo, I'm loaded. Right now I'm
having a good time. I'm like, oh, this is cool,
like straight, but I can also see.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
In that moment, I'm a different way. You can go
a different way.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
So you know the fact that you're recognizing it, it's
not no intervention or anything like that, but the fact
that you're recognizing that fact and taking ownership on it
and saying okay, even off the mind, you're like, yeah,
I gotta cut that shit out a little bit. It's
commenable because you don't want to get to the point
where I did, where there's certain life activities that started
happening after that.

Speaker 3 (30:20):
You know what I'm saying, I gotta do you auy,
that shit ain't sweet.

Speaker 6 (30:23):
I did.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
There's a lot of things that's happened as a result
to me drinking thinking I was good, and I know
people that are no longer here because they felt like, oh, yeah,
i'm straight, i'd be good, and not as many people
that were as lucky as I am, you know what
I'm saying. So the fact that you recognize it, and again,
your talentce is gonna change. Your body's gonna start telling
you look different things, and as you get older you
realize like, oh fuck, okay, I gotta switch things up.

(30:47):
And you can either listen to it or not, you
know what I'm saying. So do you think that, I mean,
do you?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
I never I mean, I don't know what the conversation
y'all had, But I think energetically something changed too, because
even with him, after me and after I had the
conversation with him about it, I felt like something like,
it's kind of like it's foggy. I don't know how
to describe it. From his vantage from my vantage point,
when I saw him, it was it was crazy, like

(31:16):
his life was in shambles at the time, right, So
it's foggy. And then I feel like the sky kind
of clear up a little bit, and then you can
kind of see, oh, this is the path to get
where I'm trying to go. And then it like and
then it becomes a lot more clear as you do
as you go through the process.

Speaker 2 (31:32):
That's what I noticed. And then what was wild about that?
I think for me, literally months after I stopped. For
people that don't know Chuck is don't he's clean. Yeah,
I was drinking. It's gonna be seven years this year.
The moment I found that, I kind of like stopped.
A couple of months later, I forgot whatever the case.
Maybe it was within a year, Uh, I found out

(31:54):
Tos was pregnant. So it's like it gave me a
whole Oh yeah, I'm not looking back on that ship now.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
Like I'm all the way locked. I'm all the way locked.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
In at this point, I now I have another reason
on top of the other things that made me stop,
but I have another reason to kind of like continue this.

Speaker 3 (32:09):
And I feel like that's.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
As you're going through this, you're gonna realize like there's
different blessings that's gonna come from it. You're like, oh, damn,
this thing that I was trying to go for, or
certain opportunities to open up. It's gonna be like, I
feel like you may be in the cloudy moment right now,
but you're still figuring it out and there's gonna be
other things that open up and unlocked after this. You're like,
oh damn, I didn't realize that this was gonna happen

(32:32):
as a result of me. Stop stop stopping that. And
it's about that sacrifice, right. Sometimes when you sacrifice shit
open other things open up. You just don't really recognize
it and see it until it actually happens.

Speaker 1 (32:43):
I remember, he didn't. He didn't.

Speaker 4 (32:44):
He told me that he didn't have He didn't see
it as an issue till I said something. Yeah, and
I was serious about it.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
I knew it was something. But when other.

Speaker 2 (32:53):
People so I'm the relationship right here, you've tolerated it
for so long where I was just like, oh, this
is cool, it's cool. It's another day. Likeosha been telling me.
Other people been conventioned it. But you was as one
of the homies kind of coming to me because like
we don't really have those type of conversations.

Speaker 1 (33:11):
I just I showed them to his house. He was like, yeah,
literally pulled up. I just pulled it up, pulled up
in it but.

Speaker 6 (33:16):
Then at the end it's a real friend.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Yeah, at the end of it, he was just like, look,
I can't protect you no more, bro like and I'm
not saying that I will will, but if something were
to come up, bro, I can't. I have to separate
myself from because now you you fucking up what I
got going with.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Yeah, from that point it was like, oh, I got to.

Speaker 6 (33:32):
Take account got to take accountability.

Speaker 4 (33:34):
And it's an internal look at that point, but I
felt like on the song too much, you owned it.
And that's what I thought was dope because it's like, oh,
you know, it's the hook, so like it's a hook
in the record. So I'm like, okay, it's something that
that that Rob was already processing in his brain. Has
anybody had that conversation with you, like your family or
other rappers?

Speaker 5 (33:54):
Not other rappers, but I've I've had it with them,
my girl, the homies, like they've they've all kind of
like like had that convo with me. And it's not
so much like go sober, but it's more so slow
but like slow way down.

Speaker 6 (34:08):

Speaker 5 (34:08):
Like my issue was that similar to what you said,
is that I attached and still doing certain circumstances attached
drinking to identity, not even identity, but also action in
whatever I'm doing. So I was at a point like
I remember this is probably like around the time I
was like twenty seven. I couldn't even fuck with a

(34:29):
chick without drinking. Like if I talk to a girl
and she didn't drink, then I'm not hanging out with you,
because like, why do I want to be hanging out
with you in an intimate setting but I can't drink?

Speaker 6 (34:39):
No, That's what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (34:40):
But I'm saying not only identity, because it was also
like the actions in which I do so kind of
tied into two. I used to not be able to
eat salmon without a glass of tequila, really because when
I would eat salmon, I could taste tequila. I'm being
dead ass like, and it used to be like like yo,
like if I have a bite of salmon, like I
just automatically want a repiicida on the rocks, like automatically
wanting I'm in a social setting, I need to have

(35:02):
a drink because I don't even know what to do
with my hands, So like what do I do with
my hands if I don't got a cut, like I
have to have a cup.

Speaker 6 (35:09):
I literally got it.

Speaker 5 (35:11):
Yeah yeah, And I have to start making little switches
like that, like okay, bet when I go out if
I don't want to drink tonight, like get some type
of soda on the rocks or whatever the case may be,
you know what I mean, Or pay the bartender for
a drink, but like whatever, a shot is only poor
half or something like that. If I'm having a weak
moment where I can't just say no all the way
but like, don't give me a full shot, give me

(35:31):
half of a shot within and then still getting a
mixer that way, could you know, fill all the way up?
And it's still stuff that I'm still like, like I said,
I'm still currently battling it. But for me, I've always
been been taught and raised that you cannot fix anything
if you don't say that it's an issue. And that's
why I never I've never had a problem being like, yo,
I have a drink. It's it's funny because it's like
it's so weird for other people that if they if I.

Speaker 6 (35:54):
Say it, they'll be like whoa, whoa, Like when I
was on.

Speaker 5 (35:56):
A Joe button pocat I was like, yeah, I got drinking,
but it was like whoa, whoa, calm down, Like, I'm like,
not like I have a drinking problem, you know what
I'm saying. Like, and if I if I allow people
to make me feel uncomfortable saying it, then I'm just
gonna hide it. And then if I'm hide I'm not
gonna stop drinking. If I'm hiding it, I'm gonna just
be drinking in private or hiding it, you know what
I mean. And so that was the first thing I
had to do was unattached drinking to the things that

(36:18):
I do in everyday life, you know what I mean,
Because yeah, cause it was so I started realizing because
I was talking to the homie Jay and he was like,
how many times you drink a week? And I'm like
like four or five. You're like, Nigga, that's way too
much like alcoholic exactly. And I was like, well, you know, like,
you know, I fucked with a bitch on Tuesday, so
I drinked in, and then I went to a mixer
event on Thursday, so I drinked in, and then Friday

(36:39):
we went out, so I drank and then you know, Saturday,
we was watching the game, so I can't. That's literally
how I rationalized it. Like so the things that I'm
doing on an everyday program on a week I'm like, Okay,
well I don't need to have a drink to watch
a game. I don't need to have a drink to
fuck with a girl. I don't need to have it.
And that was what kind of started to cut it down.

(37:00):
You get what I'm saying. And uh, it's it's like
I said, it's still a battle that I go through
literally day in and day out. But it was life changes.
It was losing people to drunk driving, you know what
I mean, and stuff like that. It was seeing the
effects that it has on other people around me that
started making me. And it was just like you said,
my body, like my body wasn't bouncing back the way
the way that it used to.

Speaker 6 (37:18):
So it's like I would.

Speaker 5 (37:19):
Drink and be down like bad, like like bad for
like for a whole day, and the whole.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
Day is a lot.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
I got a lot, bro, I got to do it,
and your energy be sluggish, like you not really all
the way there. You got to sleep multiple times aroount
the day that even bounce back, because that's what your
body needs to recover, like, and so that's when I
started realizing, Okay, I can't do this, can't do that,
and I got to start cutting back. And I'm still
working on cutting back, Like I still I'm not healed
from that. I'm still working on that, you know what

(37:46):
I mean. But I got to be able to talk
about it.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
This is this is super random.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
But dude, just by talking to you and kind of
seeing you make your runs and just knowing you as
a person, you seem like you would be a great father.
Right do you ever do you think about fatherhood all
the time all the time.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
What type of dad do you think you'd be?

Speaker 6 (38:04):
I think I would be.

Speaker 5 (38:05):
I think I would be a great dad because like
stuff like that is I'm super competitive a and then
be stuff like that to me is like the world.
Like I feel like like that becomes your purpose in life,
you know what I mean. And I've always been one
hundred percent in type of person, Like if it's something
that I really care about, I've always I'll always be.
I know i'd be a great dad just by how

(38:26):
I think about being a dad. Like when I see
certain shit happen, I'm like, oh no, I'm gonna put
my kids on this. I'm gonna teach my kids about
credit when they, you know, eight years old. And how
to you know what I mean, do do money management
and shit like that, like super super early on. How
to you know, avoid taxes in a legal way? And
you know all these I always think about all of
that shit, even when I'm talking about where I'm at

(38:48):
music and music in my career, like a lot of
that is because of family. I'm like, how do I
how do I feed my family if I'm not in
a space to where I'm making a certain amount of
money And I can't make a certain amount of money
if I don't put out a certain level and amount
of product to be able to do certain things. So
even that conversation is fueled by family, you know what

(39:09):
I'm saying, Like it's fueled by like I'm never the
person and this is where a lot of my anxiety
comes from.

Speaker 6 (39:14):
I hate it. Sometimes I don't know how Nigga's like live.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
In the day, in the now, Like I'm always thinking
about like in my mind, I'm forty seven, bro.

Speaker 6 (39:23):
Like not even like like that's I'm serious.

Speaker 1 (39:25):
That's how I feel.

Speaker 6 (39:26):
You That's how I think.

Speaker 5 (39:27):
About my money. That's how I think about where I'm
at in life. That's how I think about property. That's
how I think. I'm forty seven years old. So to me,
I'm like, nigga, I'm behind, like cause I'm forty seven
years old.

Speaker 6 (39:36):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (39:37):
Like I need to be where I would be comfortable there,
like right now. That's the pressure I put on myself,
you know what I mean. And so it's it's with you.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I do the same thing because I'll find myself.

Speaker 4 (39:48):
This morning, Yeah, this morning, I'm laying in bed and
I got the album on too because I just want
to go through it again. I'm listening to it and
I'm literally checking my account. I'm like, okay, I got
I can go to months.

Speaker 5 (40:01):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (40:01):
I'm if everything, if everything shut off right now, how
long can I walk this mother without without having to
do some other ship that I.

Speaker 6 (40:11):
Don't want to do it?

Speaker 1 (40:12):

Speaker 4 (40:13):
Thinking about I'm like, all right, I got two and
a half months before I got a call Roddy and
ask him for a faith, you.

Speaker 3 (40:21):
Know, to compound.

Speaker 1 (40:24):
And then I'm even adding, okay, so I can ask
why G for ten?

Speaker 6 (40:30):
I know he'll look out of here.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
You know what I mean? Watch you get give me.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
Like I really do my brains?

Speaker 1 (40:39):
How much would you given?

Speaker 3 (40:41):
How much would would you be willing to give him?

Speaker 6 (40:42):
If I if I had it?

Speaker 5 (40:44):
If that's gonna sound like a PC answer, but I
being real, I make my decisions based off of I
would give head pause that was crazy that.

Speaker 6 (40:55):
I would get.

Speaker 5 (40:56):
I would give him whatever he needed that wouldn't set
me back. So like if I had fifty, I'm not
even lying. If I have fifty to give him, where
wouldn't set me back? I give him fifty? Like that's
how I am with people I funk with, Like I think, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
Yeah, no, I love that.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
Yeah those was like all right cool?

Speaker 4 (41:14):
Something else I wanted to ask you about I did so.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I wanted to ask that because do you implement that?
Do you what advice from your pops? If he's still
here with this, right, so, what advice have you gotten
from him or some life lessons that you implement your
life today based off of that you've seen from him?
Remember talking to that, he was like, man, there's nothing
my dad told me I just saw for example, right,
So from you and your father?

Speaker 3 (41:39):
What advice did he give you what life lessons? What
do you think? What do you implement now? From that?

Speaker 5 (41:43):
The two things my pops that I learned from my
pops that he never really told me, but I just
got from him was a always hustle, like always literally
like there's always more that can be done, and if
you can physically do it, then do it. You get
what I'm saying. And the second thing is is better
to be loved than to be talented. Like my dad

(42:04):
is a nigga that actually at his retirements party, I
gave a speech at his party and I was telling
everybody how, like how my dad don't do shit at USC.

Speaker 6 (42:15):
He worked.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
He's worked at USC as a maintenance technician for like
thirty four years and then he retired. And I was like,
my dad don't do shit, like we all the way
out in Menifee. Is sixty people out there for his
retirement party, Like my dad don't do shit. If you
go up to USC, my dad will drive around and
talk to football players and talk to people. He don't
fix shit, He don't do work. He get other niggas
to do the work for him. Be dead ass, like
he does all of that shit. I'm like so, like

(42:37):
I'm like most of y'all in his backyard, Like my
dad would not go and do physical labor for you,
but everybody loves him. Like y'all all drove two hours
out to Menifee to celebrate this nigga's retirement. Like because
my dad is a nigga that every I always said
before I started wrapping, my dad was more popular.

Speaker 6 (42:53):
Than me and my brother.

Speaker 5 (42:54):
My dad is like the nigga, like all the way
everybody loves him, Like knock on wood. Whenever he go
his funeral, go be five hundred, six hundred people. That's
not an exaggeration, like so, but he told me, he
showed me that you can get through life by people
just loving you. And when it is something you're passionate
it in, work hard at it, you know what I mean. Like,
and my pops taught me that, like if people fuck

(43:16):
with you like you can, you can get through because
people will just naturally look out for you, to naturally
think about you when all the shit happened and whatnot,
Like my phone blew up from people that just genuinely
fuck with me. Because I've always been a solid person.
I've never been in no room and rubbed nobody the
wrong way, or said nowhere shit, or been behind somebody
back and say something about them that I won't stay

(43:37):
in front of their face. Like it's all about relationships,
you know what I mean. It's all about people loving you.
And so that's what my dad taught me, was that,
like you can get through life. Literally being loved is
more important than being talented or skilled at something. You
know what I'm saying, because yeah, yes, fire advice. Yeah,
I learned that from him.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
For show I'm out.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
I love you brother, keep going, always love you to
that album's fire. I know you're going to fun. I'm
a little conversation man. But for the folks, I'll catch
you next time. Take your take your not your non alcoholic.
Yeah uh okay.

Speaker 4 (44:11):
So something else I wanted to talk to you about
was you normally have family members on the project.

Speaker 6 (44:17):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
Yeah, so, like and it's interwoven.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
It might be at the beginning, it might be whatever
the case may be, right, do what what's because you
talked about earlier where you said, like I got to
go to them and be like, Yo, should you cool
with this? Like what's the conversation like to have your
your family involved? In the project, like hey, I want
you to say this or tell that story about this,
or like how does that usually come?

Speaker 5 (44:40):
Yeah, it's it's a little bit of all of that.
It's usually like like it'll usually start with like, yo,
I want you to say this, you know, but say
it this way and this tone or whatever.

Speaker 6 (44:49):
If they can put up to the studio, they do.

Speaker 5 (44:51):
If not, they just send a voice note the girl
saying all the dates on the album. That's my sister
and she did the dates on New Beginnings, and then
they you know, carried over into all of that. But yes,
usually those conversations like yoa I want you to say this,
I want you to say that. This is how I
want my album to be, like I want it to
be about this, And I always give them like the
overall bearings of what the album is going to be

(45:12):
about and the theme of it. That way they can
you know, have it. And it's funny because they take
that you're serious, like it ain't like like like to them,
it's like it's showtime. Like they like they they proud
to hear their voice on there. They proud to be
a part of it. And it's funny because that you
say that I was when you said I want you
to tell the story. That was the original direction I
wanted to go with Porcheres was having all the people

(45:35):
that were.

Speaker 6 (45:36):
Involved in these stories tell the story.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
But I knew from where music is now, nobody wants
to play an album that they got to keep stopping
or the skits, Like if you notice with my album,
all the skits are interwoven into the record in that
way like the music never stops, it just it goes
all the way through.

Speaker 4 (45:52):
And the reason why I brought that up is because
I know you're a family oriented person. Even when I
go to your when I see you at events, like
you usually be with your home girl, like your best friend,
she wow, she is bro.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
There's nobody that goes.

Speaker 6 (46:06):
Harder for you.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Bro.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
She will turn some ship upside down and she's like,
I know who you are, DJ Head, I'm Rob's best friend.
I'm like okay, She's like, yeah, so what's so what's that?
I'm like, what's up with you? But anyway, I know
you're very family oriented and has there ever been a
point when because we talked about it earlier, but it
has ever been a point where something does come out

(46:31):
and then you and then somebody comes to you like,
you know what, other than your boy, I'm.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Talking about somebody in your family.

Speaker 4 (46:36):
Yeah, somebody in your family saying like them like I
didn't like that or whatever the case, because.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
Your ship is so personal.

Speaker 5 (46:42):
Yeah, the only time was better days and that was
what kicked off that whole life.

Speaker 6 (46:47):
Lessen to that.

Speaker 5 (46:47):
Like my cousin came to me, and what what made
me really understand it. If he would have came to
me pissed off, custing me out on to fight, I
wouldn't have got it. I wouldn't understood it. But he
came to me genuinely like disappointed and yeah, and that
shit like genuinely hurt and disappointed, Like you're like, bro,
I can't even listen to the song like that shit,
Like I know I did that, but like I just

(47:07):
wish you would have called me bro like and that
shit broke my I was like, yo, like I wanted
to take the shit off of but it's like it's
the lead single to shit that ten million strange at
the time and Clod like I'm like fuck, like you
know what I mean, And.

Speaker 6 (47:22):
It just literally broke you know what I mean? It
broke my heart.

Speaker 5 (47:24):
Which is why on New Beginnings, on the song slow Down,
on the second verse, I rap an apology, and I
say that on a song like you know everything that
I said on that record, like I owe it to
you to apologize to you, not only in our personal life,
but for me to put it on a record off
so that way, the same way that niggas hurt me,
you know what I mean, put your business out there.
They could hear that, But that was one lesson that

(47:47):
I didn't need to learn it again. So now I'm
really big on the more personal. The more times I asked,
Like if it's something light, I might ask once you
know what I mean, I kind of got e gauged
on what people find light and heavy. If it's heavy,
I might ask you six seven times before for it
even come out, you know what I mean, just to
make sure, like yo, you know, like and then if
it's the leadst single, I'm like, yo, just double back.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
We shooting the video like this is real, this is real,
Like you know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (48:10):
Like, Yo, you know, anybody that listens to my music,
they're going to be able to put two together?

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Are you sure?

Speaker 6 (48:15):
And then you know, sometimes answer changes. Sometimes it don't.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
I was. I was glad and surprised that you put
family first. Yeah, that's made me think about it because
of the title, and that's what any think about the
other question.

Speaker 5 (48:25):
But and I don't know if you remember, but okay,
so you remember, Okay, God, that's why.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
I'm going with it.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
I do remember Family First, and just the last piece
of something that I shared with Chuck and when we
was arguing about your situation everything else, I just told
you the last thing. Is what I said to them
was I think that you're afraid of success. And I'm like,
and they were like, what you mean? I said, Well,
like Reed has songs, like he got records, not necessarily

(48:52):
intentional commercial records, but he had songs tucked that he
I don't know if you if you're afraid to put
him out. I don't know if you are timid about
the fan base or whatever the case may be. But
I had the same conversation with Saul, and well, first
let's talk about it. The Family First record. I like
that song.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
Obviously, I love that record.

Speaker 4 (49:12):
Yeah, And I'm like, bro, women love Reason. Why don't
he just fuck with him? It's like it'd be like,
let's say Reason put out a project and it's twenty songs.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Fifteen of the songs is I'm.

Speaker 4 (49:27):
Dope, yeah, or personal personal personal, But I'm dope too, right,
And I'm like, bro, let the women participate. They love
you and the same thing I was telling somebody else.
I'm like, bro, I just feel like a lot of
artists who I'm to be totally honest with you. Yeah,
I have arguments with bea Dot. I've had full on,

(49:51):
full on confrontations with people in the music business, Elliott Willson,
everybody whoever right. And every time Fournia comes up, I
give them five names, and I gonna say them on
the air, but I give him five names.

Speaker 1 (50:06):
Your name is one of them. I appreciate that every time.

Speaker 4 (50:09):
And they're like, well, what do you see, Like, what's
the potential that I'm like, well, they have the potential
to be what everything else that everybody you compare them to.
They have the potential to be the shines and all
of these things. There's no difference to me in reason
and fabulous. There's no difference to me in reason and fabulous.

(50:30):
You can be fabulous. The only difference is fabulous was dope.
But he also let the women participate in his music,
and I always felt like that was something that artists
who are dope lyricists and hip hop authors, that's something
that they neglect. Do you feel like you neglect that?
When it comes to do you feel like do you
think that you neglect the passive audiences from participating in

(50:55):
your music?

Speaker 3 (50:56):
I don't.

Speaker 6 (50:57):
I don't.

Speaker 5 (50:58):
I think that early on I did, and I had
to learn that. I think halfway through making New Beginnings,
I started to understand it. And then I made West
Side and West Side was featuring Mariba. I wanted it
to be featuring Sissa because I felt like that was
a joint that, like with just talking numbers with Maria,
it's like at like fifteen or twenty million streams or

(51:18):
something like that. I was like, if I got Sissa,
it's one of those that's out of here, you know
what I mean? On this one. I got family first,
I got FTN, I got you better. I say that
to say like I did do that. But now I'm
at a point where I understand that if the women
like it, the niggas is gonna play it. It's gonna
go like it's automatical, exactly, It's automatic. It's gonna go

(51:39):
for me. I think it was just always and I
think that this is where to me, this is where
a lot of me and combos with more whoever would
kind of get stagnant because it'll be like like hot
and cold. Like a lot of people know that if
you know the inner workers at TD, it's a lot
of like trying to figure out if this is the

(51:59):
right place to make or not. That's why they're so
strategic in that. It's like do I want to make
this play? Do I not want to make this play?
And I was at a point where I was like,
let's just make all the plays, like let's just put
all of these joints out and see which one what
people gravitate to, but also give them the best punch,
you know what I'm saying, Like and so and you know,
it's a lot of different factors. Like when we we

(52:20):
did family first shouts Kaitlin and that's my brother, but
we also tried to pitch that also Faraate, you know
what I mean, Like didn't happen for whatever reason. I
don't don't got nothing to do with the label. I
just think that I'm not at the point to where
I can just automatically at the ARRODDI feature. You know
what I mean, without I don't have the relationship or
I didn't have a bag. So but I say that
to say like I'm not like I'm all the way

(52:41):
with like I got.

Speaker 6 (52:42):
You know how TD fans are. They want you to
just rap.

Speaker 5 (52:44):
They want you to struggle for your whole fucking career
and be the back back nigga that don't never get
what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
I don't give a fuck about none of that. Like
I want to.

Speaker 5 (52:53):
I am one thousand percent open to trying everything and
trying to make the records. And I did that a
lot during this I did that a lot during this
process with the Caucasian, the States, with the u Betta's,
with the ftns, with the family first, you know what
I mean. Like I was pushing to try to even
with the added agains, you know what I'm saying, Like
a lot of people don't know added again. I made
that before Soul's album came out, and so I knew

(53:17):
it sounded like win, but I'm like, we only got
one win. I can sneak on through then, so have
fuck out my face And I'm like, fuck now, It's
like you know what I'm saying. Like, so it's a
lot of things that are like just different, you know,
things that happen, and you know, sometimes it works out
good and sometimes it works out bad. But I'm a
thousand percent open to that, you know what I mean,
Like I want to do the joints with the Blasts

(53:37):
and the Binos and the I'm working on the project
right now where it's just all la niggas and it's
just all the niggas that I'm fans of that people
probably don't know I'm a fan of, you know what
I mean, Like the Blue Bucks Clans and the and
the Binos and even down to some more up and
coming niggas that niggas don't really know that I listen to.
I want to do a whole tape with that, because

(53:59):
I do want to at a record. It's just about
it's not just about And this is where me and
Glasses conversation like we didn't see out of eye on
because I don't believe it's just.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
About having a record. It got to be everything.

Speaker 5 (54:11):
It got to be having a record, in my opinion,
it got to be having a record, got to be
delivering the record right, pushing the record the right way,
having the right money behind it, getting out there to
like it has to be everything. I don't think you
can just drop a joint with nothing and it just
go because it just go.

Speaker 6 (54:27):
Like I don't, I don't believe in that.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Well it's it's multiple or it's small percentages, because I
want to say I don't believe in that because Blast
did it.

Speaker 6 (54:33):
Blast showed that it's possible it. Yeah, so it's timing.

Speaker 4 (54:37):
It's a bunch of things, stars got aligne et cetera.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
But it starts with the music. Yeah, I agree, like.

Speaker 4 (54:43):
Fact, if the product is good, people want to be
attached to good product. But it also is about consistency
because it's not just about so that. I had the
same conversation with g It's not about one record, It's
about a consistent bat.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
I agree.

Speaker 1 (54:56):
Here's here's Oh you think I do it? Here going
another one? Oh you're going here, going to know?

Speaker 4 (55:01):
And then once people see like, oh you can produce
this product, then that's when you get everybody to get
on board, and that's when you start unlocking multiple levels
of different things.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
I agree, but agree.

Speaker 4 (55:11):
The reason why I say that is because I feel
like a lot of times you get boxed in with
all other stuff like he's dope lyricists, he's this, and
like yeah, and so cool, that's dope. Same conversation I
had with Simba right yeah about like bro, you can rap.
We're in the record business, stuff like okay, you could rap. Cool,
that's amazing, that's cute. Can you make a song though,

(55:34):
that people are going to play over and over and
over again for an extended period of time.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I think you've done that. Yeah, do you think that?
What do you think.

Speaker 4 (55:42):
Outside of just making the song specifically is missing?

Speaker 5 (55:46):
I think it's a consistency. Like that's that's what I
think it is, you know what I mean? Like I
feel like I feel like I had great records on
this album. I feel like I have records that could
have done bigger things, but I was gone for three years,
like you know what I mean, Like like new Beginners
did very very well, like I was being talked about,
I was on fire everything, and then I've been gone

(56:08):
for three years. And that's I genuinely feel like that's
what it is. Like. We don't live in an era
where you can just be gone like that and then
just come out and you gotta do a lot to
build up. Like you look at a guy like Tzo
Touchdown Love everything Tso is doing right now, he's building
into his album because he doesn't have an album out,
so he's built. He couldn't drop the album and then

(56:30):
do everything he's doing now. He had to do this
stuff now and then he's gonna go and drop the album.
You got it, Like you said, you have to build
into it. You can't just make the the hot nigga
from Bobby's Murder and not have no type of buzz
and think that it's just gonna go crazy because you don't,
you know what I mean. That's why you hear of
all the times when there's a record that somebody might
have made five years ago and then that's their biggest

(56:52):
record because maybe they started building and building and then
now people go back to it and they're like, oh damn,
this shit was this was hard, you know what I mean,
Like we missed this. So I think that that was
the biggest thing for me, was the consistency, and that
was the frustrating part for me.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
But don't but also like to the point like that's
not the company that you're with. Yeah, they don't drop
like they don't drop mixtapes, they don't drop I remember
having a conversation because I was talking. I was talking
talking to them about doing some stuff like like, oh,
let's do a collab, like like a like a DJ
Head collab project or whatever, and like we don't drop

(57:25):
free music, we don't do mixtapes, and and it's it's
a schedule, so it's a machine. So it's like, do
you think you should break the machine and do something
different or do you think that you like because you're
talking about consistently and dropping consistent years exactly to build
that up, and.

Speaker 5 (57:41):
Just being consistently outside, consistently dropping music, consistently doing shows,
consistently just being around and doing shit.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
But yes, yes to your point, Okay, yeah, okay, But to.

Speaker 5 (57:53):
Answer your question, I don't want to break the machine
or think that I should break the machine. I look
in my career in a solo standpoint, which is why
I talk about that on gang shit Like I used
to have this bitterness where I looked at it ass
like this and we all a unit, and y'all shold
like y'all nigga should be helping me, And I had

(58:14):
to get out of my own way.

Speaker 6 (58:15):
Shout out to Soul.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
He helped me get out of my own way with
my ego based off that he had a conversation with me.
And he's just basic too, like Nigga's it's you, you
know what I mean, Like we hear if you need
niggas to lean on, but like this is all on you.
So for me, I don't want to break the machine.
I just want to do what works for me. I
believe that every artist, like every artist has a different
like like we've talked about it about the destination and

(58:37):
everybody has their own different route and you don't you
don't know how to get there until you plug in
your address. I think that if ten different artists plugged
in the same address, they gonna get ten different routes
because everybody don't have the same route to get to
where they're trying to go. So for me, I feel like,
and I could be wrong, it's just my opinion. I
feel like, for a reason, the route has to be consistency.

Speaker 4 (58:57):
So let's say, and it's still not the same results
that you want than what.

Speaker 5 (59:03):
What depends on what we're talking about about the results
that I want.

Speaker 4 (59:05):
Like if you're saying, for reasons. Career consistency is key.
I just want to be able to rock multiple times
a year. Yeah, to build my to to build my
catalog and build my fan base and do whatever.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
Right.

Speaker 4 (59:16):
But let's say you do do that and then at
the end of the day, you're still not satisfied with
those results.

Speaker 1 (59:21):
Didn't.

Speaker 5 (59:22):
That's what I'm saying, is okay, So I wasn't. If
I wasn't satisfied with those results, then I would have
to go back to the drawing board and build other
people that you know, have higher knowledge of me and
whatnot and try to figure it out. But for what
I want for my career, I don't think I wouldn't
be satisfied with those results, only because I did not
get into music to be Jay Z or Kendrick Lamar.

(59:44):
I got in music to like for me. I got
into music to be known as one of the illest
niggas that was doing the shit from where I'm from. Like,
if you look at it, that's why I'm so proud
to say Carson, Like if you look at the biggest
artists to come out of Carson, and this is no
offense to rascals, but if we're talking about the biggest.
It's soling in this reason. I'm proud of that, you
know what I'm saying, Like, I'm proud to be able
to say it's soling this reason.

Speaker 6 (01:00:06):
Regy J.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
If you count ray J, you know what exactly so
y J exactly sure if you count ray J, ray
J sole reason.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
You know what I'm saying. But I'm happy.

Speaker 5 (01:00:16):
I'm I'm proud to be in that top three conversation.
So I say that to say I did not get
in this to be a megastar. I got in this
to be regarded as one of the illis niggas doing it,
and then everything else to me is like icing.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
So it's like, do I want a record? Yes, I
want a record.

Speaker 5 (01:00:33):
I will bust my ass in the studio night in
and night out to try to get a record. I'm
not opposed to doing the things I gotta do to
try to get a record. But if I never got
a record, I wouldn't feel like a failure, you know
what I'm saying, Like, I wouldn't. I feel like success
for me and music is being able to tour consistently,
give my fans great music, and for people to look

(01:00:54):
back on my catalog and be like wow, like I'm
two in now I'm New Beginnings and Porches both dope albums.
I want to be seven and eight and nine in
you know what I'm saying, Like, and it'd be like, Wow,
this nigga's consistently put out quality music. And if I
catch a record along the way, then I catch a
record along the way. And if I don't, that's okay
too because I can make a lot of money without
a record. It's a lot of niggas out there that

(01:01:15):
make a lot of money without having a record, you
know what I'm saying, Like, and so that that's what
I want to do. But I definitely want to catch
one like and I'm gonna do everything that I can,
Like I go and get the big production, I make
the joints to you know what I'm saying, Like, I
got a joint right now that's tucked away that I
really want to blast on. It didn't happen, So I
didn't put it on the album because I feel like
it can go on my next one and it could
be one of those you know what I'm saying, And

(01:01:36):
if I missed, and I'm gonna double back and swing again.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
It is what it is dude, So I like, I
love that perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
Other question I had and we rap, but there's an
exclamation point on all the songs.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Yeah, yeah, what's that about?

Speaker 5 (01:01:50):
So that was about the two records that's not an
exclamation point. Is I want to say add it again
and you Better?

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
If I'm right? Yep.

Speaker 6 (01:01:57):
That was about when you're playing the playlist.

Speaker 5 (01:02:00):
Those was the two records that were like, Okay, these
will live well in playlists, but they still fit with
the storyboard of the album. But if I, if I
didn't have to worry about playlist, I wouldn't have had
those records on the album. And it's not because I
don't like him. It's just because I feel as though sonically,
when I was listening to the album without those records,
I felt like it flowed better without you Better and
without at it again. So I didn't put an exclamation

(01:02:22):
on those. So it's really kind of like a OCD
thing to myself, like this.

Speaker 6 (01:02:26):
Is what like that? I do like that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:28):
It is like an OCD thing to myself, Like, Nigga,
this is if I didn't have to worry about playlisting
and all that other stuff, this would be you know
what I'm saying, like what the album sounds like or
whatever the case may, because I got so wrapped up
into making this album that I was like, I was
toying with the thought of not putting those on the album,
but those are like the joints that are gonna get
the playlist, and so I'm like, fuck, I can't.

Speaker 6 (01:02:49):
It's like a it's like a weird OCD.

Speaker 5 (01:02:50):
I'm like, I can't put the shit out without niggas
knowing that, Like, I wouldn't have did this, you know
what I'm saying, Like, which is stupid.

Speaker 6 (01:02:56):
But it's for me, you know what I'm saying. Sometimes
it's hard to get out of my own role with you.

Speaker 5 (01:03:00):
Sometimes it's hard to get out of it nobody it's
just me. And but this is the thing that I'm
proud about is that at least I know that at
least at least nobody would do that.

Speaker 6 (01:03:10):
At least I know that you know what I'm saying.
So it's one of them things where it's like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:13):
I know, I'm crazy, Why do you, okay, tell us
the fuck all the music?

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
Why? Why what are you trying to prove? What is
what is reason trying to prove? To the world.

Speaker 5 (01:03:24):
I'm not trying to prove nothing to the world. It's
more about like like myself, Like I really feel like
I'm like one of the best niggas like to do
this ship. I just feel like I haven't done enough
work to claim it. I can't stand on it because
it's a bunch of niggas with way more success and
that have done this shit at a high level for

(01:03:45):
a long ass time. You get what I'm saying, Like,
and that's not even just rapping. Like when I say that,
niggas automatically think I'm saying like I'm the best lyricists.

Speaker 6 (01:03:51):
Like no, I've been saying that.

Speaker 5 (01:03:52):
I'm talking about like I've been I've been saying that,
and I've been standing on that. You know what I'm
saying like I'm talking about Like I feel like I'm
one of the best beat selectors. I feel like I'm
one of the best niggas that at growing and becoming better.
I feel like I'm one of the best niggas at
being honest with myself. Like i feel like I'm one
of the best at at literally going back and being

(01:04:17):
thorough with myself, Like, Nah, you didn't do that good enough,
Like I that's the areas that I compete in. It's
not just lyricism. It's like I feel like you niggas
ain't honest enough with yourself. I'm better than you at that.
I feel like you niggas ain't leaders. I'm better than
you at that. I feel like you niggas ain't ain't
ain't like you don't love your fans enough. I feel
like I'm better at you to I'm better than you
at that. It's like that's what I'm always trying to prove,

(01:04:38):
is like you know what I'm saying, Like and it's like, yeah,
when I do start my own label, like I'm gonna
be competing in that area. Like I think that I
pick better artists than you niggas.

Speaker 6 (01:04:47):
I think that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
I'm being there. I think that I can build artists
better than you niggas. I think I'm being like That's
how I'm with you. That's how I compete thero like
it's because it's it's because of sports early in my life.
Bro words, bro, when I tell people that all the time,
like this grind to me is way easier than the
sports grind because the sports grind is physical. Sooner or later,
your body quits, my mind don't got to quit. Like so,

(01:05:09):
it's just a mental grind in this shit. It's a
it's a it's a keep your spirits high grind. It's
a you know what I mean, it's a resilient grind
like that ship easier to me than sports because sports
it'll be days I couldn't walk.

Speaker 6 (01:05:20):

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
I like that because I never thought about it from
that perspective. Was like, no, I pick better artists than you.
I listened to better. Okay, So you're saying you're one
of the best in all those categories.

Speaker 5 (01:05:31):
I think I'm one of the best, or I'm striving
to be one of the best. When you talking about
what you're trying to prove, it's some of those things
I'm not the best at.

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
I know, what aren't you the best at?

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
So I don't think I'm the best yet in uh A, consistency,
but be hook making, I'm not one of the best.

Speaker 1 (01:05:49):
So who do.

Speaker 4 (01:05:49):
You think is better than you at consistently and hook making?

Speaker 6 (01:05:53):
Kaylin?

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Okay, j I D do you just a cover?

Speaker 6 (01:05:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:05:59):
So picking beats who's better at better better at you
than picking who's better than you at picking beats.

Speaker 6 (01:06:06):
I think that's gonna sound crazy.

Speaker 5 (01:06:07):
I think the only nigga, the only two niggas to
me is Drake and Dotely.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
That okay, So who's.

Speaker 6 (01:06:14):
Bad I want to be? I feel like if I
had them niggas, batch.

Speaker 7 (01:06:20):
Them, give me the bat, give me the batch that
you know, the one with the with the Drake on
the fund.

Speaker 5 (01:06:24):
Give me that batch. You know what I'm saying, Like, like,
I get you know what I mean. I might be
a Drake is tough because I that's my favorite artist
in the industry. When it comes to selecting production, I
think Drake is fucking phenomenal.

Speaker 6 (01:06:35):
I think that that is why he is who he is,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:06:39):
Like, So, but like I think I'm I think I'm
top three in that boat.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
I do.

Speaker 4 (01:06:44):
Okay, So when it comes consistency picking beats, who's who's
better at being honest with their fans than you?

Speaker 5 (01:06:56):
I'm gonna keep it real, bro, I don't think nobody is.
I don't think nobody is is as transparent, Okay. So
the reason for good reason, though, like I'm not I'm
not sitting here saying that everybody should be you know
what I'm saying, Like it done got me into some ship,
you know. I mean, I want to be on record
we're saying. I'm not saying that it's the best thing
in the world, you know what I'm saying. But I
don't think nobody is as transparent what their fans as

(01:07:18):
me as that's fire.

Speaker 4 (01:07:19):
I love that because I think that the reason why
I asked you that is because it's like, it's the honesty.
It's you saying I'm not the best at this. There's
a couple of niggas I'm chasing in this category, in
this category, in that category. So I feel like that's
that's honest. I like that shout out to a shout
out to a DOCI having.

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
A crazy run.

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
I feel like I want to see you do more
collaborations like that. Yeah, it don't even have to be
on a reason project, but I strongly believe that women
love reason, and I think when the further you tap
into that, it don't have to be people on Doc's
levels level.

Speaker 1 (01:08:00):
It could be whoever.

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
I agree. I agree.

Speaker 4 (01:08:03):
I think if you further type into that bass, they're
gonna embrace you. One day You're gonna look up and
you're gonna be on a Lizzo song, you me on
a Lizo record, and then it's over. They're gonna love
you because me being who I am, I realized people
think of my asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
I'm like, no, I'm just not telling you what you
want to hear. I'm just telling you the truth.

Speaker 4 (01:08:23):
And I know for a fact, because I know women
that have had that, have had an encounter with you,
and they're like, now, he told me the drew, He
told me what it was. He didn't lie to me,
He told me straight before for anything. He was like,
he told me this is what it is. I'm not
doing this. I'm not And so I feel like the
women would, the authentic women would appreciate that.

Speaker 5 (01:08:45):
Yeah, And it's crazy that you say that because I'm
actually like working on so I'm gonna work on multiple
projects at the time, but that that is what I've
what I've noticed, and that's what I'm working Like, I'm
working on dropping a tape on Valentine's Day where I
go work with you know, the Ummi's, the baby taste,
the dough cheese, the aris, the snows, and I'm gonna
like actively work on that and really really push for that,

(01:09:07):
because that is an area of music that I always
grew up loving. Like you bring up Fabulous, I love
fab Fabulus in my top ten rappers of all time.

Speaker 6 (01:09:16):

Speaker 5 (01:09:16):
I think that's why he's successful is like you said,
because he allows the.

Speaker 6 (01:09:19):
Women to participate.

Speaker 5 (01:09:20):
And I don't think, like when we talk about being
top three and a lot of shit, I don't think
I'm even top ten at making bangers.

Speaker 6 (01:09:26):
I'm trying to get better at it.

Speaker 5 (01:09:27):
But what I do think I can become top three
or five at is making records for women. I do
think that I can do that, you know what I'm saying, Like,
I might not be able to make the club banger,
but I can make the one that ring off at
midnight that all the women been waiting for to hear,
you know what I'm saying, Or the one that they
use to put their makeup on, and shit like that.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
I think you got a couple of them and you yeah,
and to make you better, yeah and throw it in
the bags. Because I feel like Fabulous is such a
genius at crafting those records where he could get his
bars off but still on a record that they can
fuck with and I think that that was just like
I don't think Fable was give enough credit honestly for

(01:10:07):
what he was what he was able to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
So that's why I bring him up.

Speaker 6 (01:10:11):
I agree. I agree with that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Do you have a favorite? Do you have a favorite song?

Speaker 4 (01:10:15):
I noticed like all my bases and stuff like that,
this is all my kids.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
Do you have a favorite record?

Speaker 6 (01:10:19):
On the album?

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
Like you said, it is one of those where my
favorites jumps around, jump around. But the record I'm most
proud of is Family First. That's the record that I'm
most proud of.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
It was a challenging It wasn't.

Speaker 6 (01:10:30):
Because it was challenging.

Speaker 5 (01:10:31):
It was because that was the record that it took
the most collaboration to make. And I'm proud of that
record because of the fact that, like I sat back
and allowed that collaboration, even like when I played it
for you and you was like this is before certain
that was on it and it had the don't cry
and you and you literally said that You was like
you should put you know, so we was talking about
like ours somebody, but you was like put them like

(01:10:53):
saying like don't cry. That's where I got that idea
from it's our studio series.

Speaker 6 (01:10:57):
I'm being dead ass. Yeah, that's what I.

Speaker 5 (01:10:58):
Was referring to when I said, I don't know if
you remember, but I got that idea from you when
you was like you should say don't cry or whatever.
You don't notice I was recording and I had I
got the voice memo still, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 6 (01:11:08):
So when I went in the.

Speaker 5 (01:11:09):
Studio with Zach in Sir, I was like, this is
what I want you to sing on this part and
then sing the hook along with me, and then Zach
just threw in the you my brother the big game.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):

Speaker 5 (01:11:20):
Zach is just a fucking genius with this shit. So
but I got that from that studio session. So after
you said that, I had already knew I was gonna
do that. I just didn't know who was gonna do it,
you know what I'm saying. So I was trying to
figure out who am I gonna go get to do that,
And then the record was called Family First, I was like,
let me just keep it off. Family in in the house,
and so I ended up getting Sir and Zach and

(01:11:41):
then I was like, Kaitln is literally family to me.
We grew up around the corner from each other, so
I was like, I'm gonna go get Kaylen, and yeah,
it came together crazy.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
That's fire. Yeah, that's dope. I love that. I like
that that that you said that what's important to me?
I mean salute to me. Yeah, but that's fire to me.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I didn't know that. You never told me.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
It literally came from that.

Speaker 4 (01:12:02):
But I think it's dope because you said just allowing
the collaborative process because you're so like what you just
described about the playlisting and being a maniac with the
songs and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
It's like, just kick back and let the process happen.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Exactly, what's the biggest lesson that reason have learned in
the last two or three years. You've been going, what's
the biggest lesson that you've learned about yourself? And what's
the biggest lesson you've learned about the music business.

Speaker 5 (01:12:32):
The biggest lesson I learned about myself is probably, honestly, like,
get out of your own way. Like that's and that's
the lesson I'm still working on learning. And what I
mean by that is I used to I mean mentally,
I used to overthink everything, and I still overthink everything.

Speaker 6 (01:12:48):
I actually just tweeted that the other day.

Speaker 5 (01:12:49):
I was like, I hate overthinking, but now when I overthink,
I literally every single time after practice that, I ask myself,
what can you control?

Speaker 6 (01:12:59):
If the answer is nothing? And then who gives a fuck?

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):

Speaker 5 (01:13:02):
And I go back to what Joe told me outside
of a Revote summit. I was talking to Joe Budden
after the New Beginnings came out, and I was like, man, like,
I've been off for like a year and a half,
so I'm kind of nervous to drop and he was
smoking a cigarette. I'll never forget this and it helped
me so much. He was like, He's like, Nigga, you
just dropped that shit, and if everybody hate it and
it sucked, then drop again and then they'll forget the
one that sucked. And I was like, damn, that shit

(01:13:23):
is so simple, you know what I mean. But for
an overthinker, that's super difficult to even comprehend, you know
what I mean. So get out of my own way
as far as the overthinking shit. And so I had
to practice that. And then the biggest thing that I
learned about the music industry is that and it came
from the soul shit is that?

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Like it is.

Speaker 5 (01:13:41):
Still on you, you know what I mean, Like, regardless of
if you signed to this label or this artist or
this person, whatever the case may be, it's still on you.
And I think that I kind of lost that along
the way with the waiting process of dropping the album.
I stopped doing all the little things in between that
I did to even get noticed to get signed in
the first place. I stopped doing the freestyles, I stopped

(01:14:03):
doing the content, I stopped doing the snippets of records,
and I stopped even going outside like that was That's
a big part that people don't even understand about navigating
the music industry. It's like you gotta go outside and
be around people that way because a lot of people
You'll be surprised how many people know you fact but
they never talk to you. But then when they see you,
they like, yo, bro, like I know exactly like you,
you dope bro, And then that builds a relationship. But

(01:14:24):
it's just because they've known you from afar and who
the fuck just reaches out to you know what I mean?
Everybody don't do that. Just see a nigga that's dope
and be like, oh, I'm gonna reach out to it,
you know what I mean. But to answer your question,
why I just got discouraged, like to.

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
Be honest with discouraged by not putting out music, by.

Speaker 5 (01:14:39):
Not putting out music like it put me in a
dark play like bro, like I made this album. Even
though this album doesn't sound hello dark, like there are
certain spots, but I made this album in a dark place.
Like I never was a person that thought. I used
to feel like when people said that they were going
through like depression and anxiety and suicidal thoughts, I used
to think that those people was weak minded me too,
And then I went through it and I was like nah,

(01:15:00):
like this shit is actually a real thing. Like I
was depressed for a long time because I just wanted
to put out music.

Speaker 6 (01:15:06):
I just wanted to have a show. I just wanted
to like like I've never had a headlining LA show.
You ge what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:15:12):
Like, so when I'm seeing other people, even artists that
are smaller than me, do these things, which I know
you're not supposed to look at other people and focus
on your own path, but it would make me feel
like damn, like Why am I Why am I just
so stagnant?

Speaker 6 (01:15:24):
Why am I just here? Why am I just you
know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
But what I had to realize is that even that
is on me because I gotta steal. Even while I'm
feeling that way, I still gotta like work and put
in the work and put out the content and put
out the personality out there and still support people and
pull up today listening parties. And I still got to
do all those things. And I let the discouragement stop

(01:15:48):
me from doing that. That's why when I came in
and you like, nigga, you've been everywhere, I'm like, yeah,
I'm back in that space and on that mold, you
know what I mean, because I understand what it takes.
I just stopped doing it because I was like, man,
I don't want to go to that listening party, Like,
ain't dropping no music in a year and a half,
and it's gonna be a bunch of niggas there that
are they're doing shit that I want to do, and
it's gonna make me feel even I'm just gonna stay.

Speaker 6 (01:16:06):
In the crib.

Speaker 5 (01:16:07):
And that was how I started approaching all of that shit,
you know what I mean? And I had to get
out of my own way with that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
What brought you out of it?

Speaker 5 (01:16:14):
Honestly, Like like the last the six months leading up
to the album, the process of building the creative got
me back energized about it, Like the process of coming
up with porches and what porches means, and doing the
skits and leaving little tidbits like oh the intro is
faded off of poor and riches. If you take the
old out of poor I had of riches that spells

(01:16:35):
porches and just doing all the the little things that
I knew fans would appreciate. That got me back energized.
And then once I started dropping the singles and seeing
fans fuck with me, that got me back energized. Even
a shit that happened between me and MoU got me
back energy. Like just being outside more and more active
got me back into It's almost like going to the gym.
It's like you'll be discouraging, you're just sitting at home,

(01:16:56):
but then the moment you work out for a week
and you mentally start to see when you really ain't
no abs there, but because you only worked out for
a week, but it gets you that motivation. You know
what I'm saying, and that was kind of what it
was for me and what it took. And now I'm
I'm all the way back, like foot, all the way
on the gas, on the gas.

Speaker 1 (01:17:13):
I liked.

Speaker 3 (01:17:14):
I like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:14):
I listen, bro, I mean, we haven't talked. And I
just appreciate the transparency. I appreciate. I appreciate the project.
I appreciate one thing I was and this something that's
I told. I was telling when everything was going down.
I was telling because everybody's calling my phone. I'm like,
I said, Number one reason is hyper intelligent. Number two,

(01:17:38):
he's in he knows exactly what he's doing. He's not
he's not out of control. He's not belligerent. He's very strategic.
Not strategic, but he's very methodical about the way he
chooses his words.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
It's it's very carefully, et cetera. I said.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
So I'm not worried about him like that, I said.
But the thing is the one thing that I will
say about him is he's completely self aware and the
things that he's not he knows he's not. And and
ironically I was talking to I forgot who I saw
dam I, which I can give him credit. But the
Nigga told me some wild ship. He said, you know
what made Lebron James great? And I'm like what he said,

(01:18:16):
Lebron James is great because he knows what he's not
great at. And I was like, and I had to
sit and think of I had to shit with that
for us. I'm like, because he'll put pieces.

Speaker 6 (01:18:26):
In positionsition to cover, to cover what he's not great at.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
And I feel like you got the same thing.

Speaker 5 (01:18:32):
Yeah, yeah, I literally approach everything that way, Like like,
I know, I'm not the greatest at visual creativity. I
don't come up with nothing visually creative. I let, like
my the camera people I fuck with in the credit
directors I fuck with. I let them come in. What
I am good at is tying in the loose ends.
So I'll come in after they have the idea and
be like, Yo, we should do.

Speaker 6 (01:18:50):
A B C D. You need to, you know, make
it fit.

Speaker 5 (01:18:52):
But I'll never start off a video treatment on my
own because I know I suck at that.

Speaker 6 (01:18:57):
I'm not good. I'll never start off a cover art
on my own because I'm being dead at I don't
know what.

Speaker 5 (01:19:01):
Like, every time they can tell me to think about
a cover r i'd be like fucking black cover, like
don't I don't fucking know, Like I don't, I don't know,
you know what I'm saying, Like, or I just copy
some shit that I like, Like I'll copy Good Kid
Mad City cover and do like a poor man's version
of that, And so I just let other people do it,
and then I come in and be like, like even
with the back cover with the kid, marketing said like

(01:19:23):
that was Miko.

Speaker 6 (01:19:23):
Shout out to Miko.

Speaker 5 (01:19:24):
I was the one that came in and was like,
which we ended up changing it, but I first told
them to like blur his face out because it looked
kind of hard, So blur blur the kid's face out
and the woman's face out. Now we ended up going
with the version I want to say, we went with
the version that was on blurred. But it was little
things like that, or I said, instead of putting the
track we was gonna put the track list to the bottom.

Speaker 6 (01:19:41):
I said, put it on the wall as a height.
Like that's the little things that I add.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
But I would have never.

Speaker 5 (01:19:47):
Came up with that, you know what I'm saying, because
I would have never even got to the kid standing
measuring hisself heightwise on the way, I would have never
even got there.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
When somebody put there.

Speaker 6 (01:19:55):
See, then I can, I can kind of blossom it.

Speaker 5 (01:19:57):
So I am big on that, like shit that I'm
not good that, like I always tell or like to me,
the most arrogant thing for artists do is the artists
and be like Nigga, I produce my own beats, and
I'm like Nigga, you shouldn't.

Speaker 6 (01:20:08):
Like I've always.

Speaker 5 (01:20:09):
Said there like I feel like with Cold, like I
feel like Cold. Some of his best best records are
records he produced, but I feel like a lot of
like since he been rocking with T minus, he been
whooping shit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:20:19):
Like, and I gotta delegate. You know what I mean?

Speaker 5 (01:20:21):
You got to allow you got to get out of
your own way and allow other people to succeed in
the areas that they succeed in.

Speaker 4 (01:20:26):
I want agree. Yeah, features is reason doing? Is he
open for features? Is he is he doing collaborate with people?

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Yep?

Speaker 5 (01:20:34):
Yeah, I'm a thousand percent open, But I'm only open
to I'm only open to the music.

Speaker 1 (01:20:39):
First.

Speaker 5 (01:20:39):
I'm not the artist how to do a feature because
it's a bad like it'll have to be a big,
big bag for me to be like, I hate the song,
but I do it anyway because for me, like I
talked about earlier, like I gotta live with that shit,
I hate living with shit.

Speaker 6 (01:20:51):
I don't like bro I hate it. I hate it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:55):
So I always funny when artists always reach out to me,
They're like, how do I get a reason feature? I'm
like synadope song, we talk about the money after you
send a good song. If it's a song I like,
then we can talk about the money sen a dope song.
If I love the song, I'll do it for free
being dead ass. I've done features like that where I
was gonna charge somebody and then I love the song
so much that I did it for free.

Speaker 6 (01:21:12):
So it just it start off with.

Speaker 4 (01:21:14):
The music first, Okay, So shout out to Reuben Vincent. Yeah,
my Doug, you you fugger Ruben Vincent. Uh, Rhapsody, you
fugg of rhapsody. Is there is there anything in the
works from from the because you you know, Stranger to
the to the genre? Yeah? Is there anything in the
works with that?

Speaker 5 (01:21:35):
Me and Ninth are talking about doing a EP. I heard, Yeah,
we're talking about doing the EP. Yeah, I'm kind of
planning on going out there song and just locking in.
We can knock it out, like Bro, we did like
thirteen joints. I was out there for like three days.
We did like thirteen joints.

Speaker 4 (01:21:48):
Thirteen songs three days. So you already have the EP,
but I don't love it.

Speaker 6 (01:21:52):
We would have to do another twenty. I don't love
all thirteen. You know what I'm saying. That's how I am.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
BRO.

Speaker 6 (01:21:58):
I don't like I saw to do it like eight songs.
You know, it gotta be the best.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
You thirty songs to do eight songs?

Speaker 6 (01:22:04):
Yes, it it gotta be the best.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
Like I saw aw interview We're Blast was talking about
like with you know, like they was like, oh, I know,
y'all probably got a bunchet. So they was like, nah,
he's the only songs we made, Like big up to them.
I can't do that. I have anxiety doing that. Like
we're gonna run with this. The first eight we spit
out is all we got.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
So could you go in the studio.

Speaker 4 (01:22:22):
Let's say you're going to the studio with ninth or
you know, hit Boy whoever, Yeah, and you're gonna do
a collaborative project and it's like, we're gonna make eight songs, yeah,
and we're gonna use these eight songs.

Speaker 1 (01:22:34):
Do you approach the process different?

Speaker 6 (01:22:36):
Yeah? I would be.

Speaker 5 (01:22:37):
So if that was the stipulations, Like let's say I
went to the studio with hit Boy and he was like,
we're only doing eight, which I know from people have
told me that that's kind of how hit Boy does
approach that shit, I would be. I would probably drive
hit Boy crazy because I would be so particular about
the beats that I picked because then I because then
I would be like, it gotta be right, so I
gotta pick the beat that I absolutely it can't be

(01:22:58):
a beat I kind of like. So I'm like, let
me try to write like nah, I'd have to love
one thousand percent every single beating, and they'd probably get
tired of me and not want to fuck with me anymore.
So he'd probably be over it and be like, I
ain't fucking with this nigga, but I gotta play sixty
beats and this nigga picked bro crazy, So bro, Yeah,
he'd probably end up doing that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
But so you and ninth, is that going to come
out or is that something that you got?

Speaker 5 (01:23:20):
It's something, it's something that I want to do for sure,
like I'm definitely going to do it. I know that,
Like I'm definitely going to do it. Is it going
to come out? That just all depends on what makes
sense at the time, you know what I'm saying. But
I'm one thousand percent going to actually do it because
not only have I been a huge fan of Knfe
my entire life, but Night is also grown to be

(01:23:41):
like a close like friend mentor like he's just a
super super genior person that's really my dog. And everything
that he's done in the entire process with genuine like
nine ain't charged me for that, Like it was just
like yo, do the splits, put it out like I'm
not tripping, you know what I'm saying, And all the
love that he showed as far as promoting it, you
know what I'm saying, he was He was one thousand percent.

(01:24:01):
He was on my line like, Nigga, we need to
get this out, like I did that record like a
year ago. You know what I'm saying. He was on
my line like, Nigga, this one we got like we
got to get out, we gotta get out. And I
kept telling him like, y'all, I got plans for that
record because he was about to make his own project
and put it out, put it out, yeah, and I
was like, nah, that's the sole part three, Like I got,
I got, I do these soul records. That's that's the one.
So yeah, So even him just being patient with me
on that, I appreciate.

Speaker 4 (01:24:21):
Shout out to nine Wonder and shout out to the
Soul Part three bro, listen that I don't have any
more questions per se, but just from just from watching
you and since the beginning, like you've always been very
articulate and very intentional with how you do things and

(01:24:43):
why you do things. But something that's different with you,
like when it comes to this project. Yeah, something's definitely different.
Like the growth, the way the growth that you that
you're going through and the self awareness putting it out
there the way you're doing it, that's something that's only
going to elevate you and make you and it's going

(01:25:04):
to force your hand to become the person to become
the artist that you're supposed to be.

Speaker 6 (01:25:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:25:08):
So I just think that that's dope.

Speaker 6 (01:25:10):
I thank you, Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:25:11):
I think that that's kind of been my superpower the
last like six months to a year is self awareness.
I think that, like I've always prided myself on it,
but i feel like I'm more self aware now than
I've ever been. And I feel like a lot of
that should come from therapy. You in therapy, Yeah, I'm
in therapy. It come from my relationship, It come from
my relationships with the homies. Like I'm just very very

(01:25:32):
self aware even when I'm on bullshit. I'm very self
aware that I'm on bullshit. And it also what it
does is it allows my therapist told me this. He
was like, when the more self aware you are, it
allows people around you to be even more honest with
you because they feel like they can tell you shit
because you are already self aware in yourself so now
it allows them to be able to tell you whatever
they might have had reservations about telling you, they can

(01:25:54):
tell you because you're you're self aware in your own space.
And I feel like that's what's been my my super
superpower and it's it's helped me and so in so
many spaces, including the music, like I've I've been picking
the best production, like I had to be self aware
that nobody came here for you.

Speaker 6 (01:26:10):
Otis like it ain't about your wraps.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
You know what I'm saying. It ain't about you, Nigga.
It starts with the production. Like the producer is the
most important part in the music making process. I don't
give a.

Speaker 6 (01:26:20):
Fuck what you got to say. It's about that.

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
And even through that process, like I picked, like in
the last six months, I picked like five beats that
Drake end up taking. Other people would make would feel
a way about that. I'm like that, let me know
I'm on the right. Like I'm picking. I just got
a text like four days ago, like yo, it's you
know that song that you did or whatever, like, bro,
we got to build another beat around that cause I
think it's gonna be on drake album. And he felt bad.

(01:26:44):
My dog felt bad about it. And I was like,
I was like, don't feel bad like that. Just mean
I'm on the right. I'm on the right path. And
on top of that, that's my homie. So I'm like, Nigga,
shout out to you, like that's another place, man, because
you got a couple with Drake. But that's another placement
that you got with Drake. Like, nigg I'm happy for
you as a as a person, as a friend. How
can I call myself a friend if I'm mad that

(01:27:04):
Drake took a beat and my dog just got a placement,
Like they don't even you know what I mean, make
no sense. So the self awareness has helped me, Like
it's helped me in that journey a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:27:11):
That's fire. Congratulate What made you start going to therapy.

Speaker 5 (01:27:15):
My relationship? Like, I was going through a bunch of
shit with my girl before we had broke up for
a long period of time, and that was like our
last heave of trying to fix shit. And then through
doing that, I started going to solo therapy because I
was like, while I'm doing the shit with therapy, I'm
like it shit, I can't even talk about it in
front of arts. So and then I started going to
you know what I mean, solo therapy and started realizing that,

(01:27:36):
you know, like I have addictions in certain places and
shit like that and demons I gotta, you know, unpack.
And so I did that shit for a long time,
and then I even even talk about growth. I outgrew
my therapists. I just got a new therapist because I
felt like that therapist wasn't holding me accountable enough, and
I was like, I'm not going to this nigga no more.
I feel like you wasted my money now because I
tell you about the issue I got you hear me,

(01:27:58):
And then I come back in that session and told
you I did it in and you don't even fucking
like tell me I'm wrong for doing it again, like
you're not holding me accountable enough in my own life.
Like I'm telling you I did this and I fucked
up on this, and I'll come back and tell you
I did it, and you not talking to me about
ways to prevent her nothing like that. You're just like,
you know, like, how did that make you feel? Like?

Speaker 6 (01:28:15):
Nigga? Fuck out made me?

Speaker 5 (01:28:17):
I know how it made me feel like, tell me,
like help me and speak to me through the process
of getting better. So I was like, nah, so I
wouldn't got a black woman. I feel like black women
hold people accountable better than anybody on this earth. That's
why we say women are nagging, because they are the
creatures of holding you accountable.

Speaker 6 (01:28:33):
That's I got a black woman.

Speaker 1 (01:28:35):
Yeah, that's it right there. Man.

Speaker 4 (01:28:37):
Oh, if you're interested in going to therapy, I started
it too. You can hit our We have a promote
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Help or to betterhelp dot com slash hg R ten
and you know, get ten percent off if you want to,
if you're interested in therapy. But I think that's so
that's so dope, that's super dope. It's life changing, uh man.
Reason Porches is out now.

Speaker 6 (01:28:59):
Yes, Porches out. Keep streaming, keep it.

Speaker 5 (01:29:02):
You're gonna keep finding little things that you didn't hear
before and whatnot. Like, I'm proud of that. It's a
full body of work. It's not a playlist album. So yeah,
and if you funk with me, I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:10):
Man, We appreciate you. Bro.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
It's homegrown radio. Check this with DJ Head and we
see you next time.

Speaker 1 (01:29:16):
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