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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Alright, we back at it Homegrown, another episode of the podcast,
live and direct from the Fab Factory Studios Factory.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Chuck DJ head. We got one of the legends in here.
One of my favorites. I was telling them earlier, you know,
definitely one of my favorites. I got a lot of
I'm a huge comedy kind of sewer of comedy, and
this man is on my list of people who I
enjoyed seeing who I would actually pay and get a
hard ticket sale.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
That's right. T. K. Kirkling is here. It's just you
and energy is everything. Start clapping that energy coming energy.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Alright, listen bro first and foremost, you know, shout out
the bouleg keV. You came to rock with us at
the radio station a couple of years ago, and I
really appreciated that. You shout to AK two, you know,
for looking out for me. I was like, man, you know,
it's weird when you know somebody's kid. I guess because
it's like, hey, you know what, I'm a huge fan
of your dad, Like, oh yeah, my pap.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Can come to your show do my show right, right,
right right. But you gave us that and I appreciate
that appreciate that. The thing that was funny about that,
I thought care was you? Oh was the white man?
I thought you was care? Yeah, you was cared all
that time. So I'm sitting there waiting and I'm like,
when they figured it out, all that was the funniest
thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, right, you know, but listen first and foremost, you know,
we appreciate you. Yes, as a comedy legend. Yes, I
want to know from your perspective. Just let's listen. Just
get right too. I want to know from your perspective,
what makes somebody funny?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Mm hmm. I think it's a combination of personality, being
quick on your on your feet. But then it's also
confidence and not being afraid to go on stage and
not being afraid of something doesn't work like some people.
It's a lot of funny people off stage, but then
get us stage, get on stage. They don't know what
(02:06):
to do. They know how to set things up, and
that takes training. You know. The way I started writing
jokes was believe or not. I've read a book. I
forgot the name of the book, and I've read this
book and it teaches you how to set up a punchline.
And this was in the eighties. I would like to
know then over the years, I have the ability just
like how Jay Z would say he could write something
(02:28):
on the top of it said, I have the ability
to write jokes off the top of the dome. So
I haven't wrote a joke on a piece of paper
and probably thirty something years. Really, yeah, it's been that long.
Because I'll get a thought like if I get something today,
it'll be on my mind every day and now it's there,
and then when I go on stage, if it comes
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out that day, it comes out. If not, I'll get another.
But how do you know it's funny in your head?
Because I think after so many years, you know, it's
like a basketball player, right, who hasn't shot ball in
a long time. Like you see Stephen Carrey's pass his
dad the ball. He could shoot it from half court.
It could be a little luck, but you just it's
(03:09):
just that feel from doing it so long and so
many years. It goes right there. Same thing with stand
up comedy. Damn.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So I'm just thinking about thinking about that and you
saying that you love TK so much. I want to
get into why, because I feel like you're into a
certain level of comedy.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not talking about that. And
I think that that is one of the things.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So like when when you get on stage, and again,
a part of being funny is like is there a
certain thing of like, damn, this might not go over
because I got to be truth or it is it
like a certain level of just not giving us I.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Think after forty years in the business now you just
know what to do when you go on stage. You know,
you get there and you feel a certain way. But
all I do is just giving opinions of things that
read from the stock mark. Okay, I read politics, I
read about relationships, and when you go on stage, you
(04:06):
just give your opinion. Gosh, and that's what I do.
I just give my opinion. But I know somewhere in
there you got to make it funny or I may
not be looking for jokes. I might just be wanting
to deliver knowledge and information just game.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, So then what's your thoughts on somebody likes Chappelle.
I feel like Chappelle doesn't go up there with the
intent to be funny. Sometimes sometimes he goes up there
and he's just kicking game.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, something that he read probably that day, or he felt,
or something that's trending in the world. He just go
gives his opinion. He knows that no matter what he says,
somehow someone we're in there, I have to make it funny.
Is that?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Have you ever done that where you were speaking on
something and you're literally just kicking game or giving an opinion,
and in real time you freestyling the funny.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I've freestyled all the time. That's what I'm saying on
write My joke's down. You know, It's just some stuff
I have in my head. It's like you have this
over here, you have everything, and it all comes together,
and it comes together based on the audience. It comes
to get together based on if you're tired or you're
well arrested, because if you're tired, you just want to
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get through it. So it's like being a run or
a boxer. You know, you know you can win, but
sometimes you just do just enough.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I want to get into the state of comedy because
we was talking about it and I think that the
state of comedy where it's at today, where it's sits,
is a lot parallel to where the state of hip
hop is. Yes, in a sense that the ogs are
still selling out, still touring, still on the road, still
getting to it, working every day, and the younger generation
not so much because of whatever the case may be,
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it might not be.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They don't have the foundation that the OG's have.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Even I consider Drake to be at this point one
of those people who's not a legacy act, but he's
an established act at this point. Right, you got fifty
cent who just did an unbelievable amount of dates.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Sold out all over the world, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But then you have the younger dudes, Travis Scott, I
think Little Baby canceled they tours.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Nobody knows why. Initially, you know you're not doing the numbers.
You're not canceling them. If you're doing the numbers. If
you're doing the numbers, you're going to get it. The
numbers is not good. Now you're gonna fall back. Yeah,
you're gonna fall back. Do you see that parallel between
comedy and him? When you bought it up? It may
it makes sense. You could only get so you can
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only get so far with being imitation. You know, you
can only get so far. And what is going on
with the people today? You guys are growing up? See
years ago you was able to get away. It was
like that parent, the mother who tells the kid that
your daddy ain't shit, and you believe her. Oh my
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daddy ain't shit. And then when you grow up and
you starts seeing things what it really is, you go, Ma,
you lied to me. That just happened to me. Wow,
that just happened to me.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Literally, my dad just start coming around, right and I
just had my fortieth birthday. My dad just start coming
around and he started telling me stuff, and I'm like, oh,
my mom was being a woman like, you know, just
being you know, emotional.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes, yes, And that's how most of the stuff is.
And kids don't see it. But if you have children
out there, young men and women, or young men young men,
and you got a baby mama that's doing that, just no.
One day, if you live long enough, the kids will
find out the truth. Can a mother who's bitter like
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that or emotional can only lie so much and then
eventually they gonna find out the truth.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So the people that come to that, the people that's
coming to the comedy shows are now looking for more, or.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
They're looking for more because now they've burnt out. They
know that there's like you bullshiting me all these years.
He wasn't really giving me what I want to think
about some of these comedians who was famous and young.
You spend all your money and you go into the
show and they only could do fifteen minutes. You didn't
have time to have your drinks, you ain't have time
to have fun. You get the drive there was longer
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than their act. Gotcha. So now you've burnt out and
all these comedians are doing it. And the numbers was
good years ago, but it started to tank just a little.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So you think that the comedians are like fooling people?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Is that what they're fooling people? For a while, some
people learned to get a little better. But if you
go to maybe ten comedy shows, but eighty percent of them,
most of those communis are not funny. They might be
funny for a few minutes, but I'm talking about whole
the whole time, act, about your whole set. You know
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you're gonna get a little chuckles. Can you be funny
right right? Sixty minutes? Can you be funny for an
hour and thirty minutes? That's what I'm saying. It's hard
to do that. I want to go back to the
early days.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Just for a second, because you mentioned picking up that
book you know for you obviously was that something that
you were already kind of like on on the heels
of comedy and trying to develop your style and you said, okay,
I'm at a ceiling now let me find out that
next thing to develop.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I just think in anything you do in life, you
got to know the foundation. Like some people inherit money
after the parents died, grandparents pass and they say, oh,
open up a business. But then the year two years
they lose, right, because no one took the time to
either go work for that the business that they wanted
to do, because you got to learn the business. You
just can't jump in the business, right. People jump in
the business, they lose everything. But you got to actually
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go work in that business, know that business before you
start that business, and people don't do that. And same
thing with anything put It's like trying to apply a plane.
Yeah it looks good, you got to know what you're doing.
The same thing with a car. If you're young, no
one's ever taught you to drive. You don't know nothing,
so you got to take lessons. So it's the same
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thing with stand up. The same with anything. Being a doctor,
you got to learn against you don't, but you don't
necessarily hear comedians say that, you know what I mean,
They just want to go on and thinks way it goes.
But the true good comedians have learned that. Well however
they got their information. However, that how they taught themselves.
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That's the foundation of being a good stand up comic.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Got you? Now, obviously you know you. You weren't mentioned
in the in the the Cat Williams thing like that,
but like Chuck was saying, like you wanted the ones,
that what makes you wanted the ones for me is
the reality based chief telling style of comedy, right, And
I think I mean I got you, I got Cat,
I got obviously you know Chappelle and all these people,
(10:36):
But like I really like uh Corey Holcombe. Yes, Bill
Burr is probably my number one right now, not to
be confused with Bill Bellamy.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And then also I like Hannibal Burr's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's seen him in Yes he's funny. So okay.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So when you see a comic perform, what do you
go based on your opinion if they're funny?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Or do you go based on the audience. I'll go
based on my opinion, but believe it or not, I
don't watch comics perform at all. I think it's a
bad thing for a comedian to watch another comic. Damn.
So what's the last time you seen a comic perform?
Last night, I'm one of my shows. But that's because
I'm sitting I known this dude's act for a long time,
and I watched him because he went on right before me.
(11:26):
Got you, a good comedian will go on, go watch
who's going on before him, so you don't talk about
the same thing, but then you could piggyback off what
they just talked about and then work into your act.
But the reason why I don't watch other comics because
the thing that's going around how you can steal somebody's joke,
how you can steal somebody set And most people, I think,
don't want to steal someone's joke. But if you watch someone,
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it seeps in, it seeps in. Then I remember it happened.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I remember seeing something about uh uh it was a
Now it wasn't Cedric, it was you said Cat had
used one of your jokes.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, Cat, and I'm not. And when I said that,
I'm explained to what people what I meant. Cat said
who Raised You? On his special? And people reached out
to me, your cat stole your joke. T I ain't
trip about that because it wasn't a set. See, I'm
more mature than most people. I got more knowledge than
most people. Now if he did who raised You throughout
(12:25):
the whole show, he stole my joke because it's a set.
It's a set. He just said it one time. That's
not my set. But I'm not petty. The average comic.
If you'd have said that would have been you you steal.
You're stealing my stuff. But I didn't trip.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I've tried not to triple off too much stuff. I mean,
you know me for a while. My thing is I
think when people know me like yo, he a real
cool brother, like I ain't. You're not never tripping. I
ain't moving like that. You know I don't move like that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I did say I did hear you say something about that?
As far as like it's petty to call out comedians
over over stealing.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Jokes, because I think if you really have a problem
with someone, I don't wanna lie talk to them on
the phone and once you talk to them, it's done.
You don't keep talking about it. You know, social media
has soften the world so bad that people jump on
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these things and click bait and say what they did
to say. And we're using the we're losing the ability
to be men out here in the world. The rules
are all going different type of directions, and what I
try to do is just pretty much, let's get it
back in order, because the women are really looking for
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strong men and men who move like men. You got
men who they all over the place, they more emotional
like women, and women know. It's that the same way
the young comics have falling off the same way the
rappers are falling off the old school comedians. Women are
now looking for older guys like I got so many
young women trying to holler at me. It's crazy. And
(14:08):
they starting now at twenty four to twenty five wanting
to take me out to dinner, wanting to I mekuess
it isn't telling you. It's insane, And I want to
thank you ladies. You know, I just ain't got the
time thank you so much, you know, you know, I mean,
I'm sixty three and to have somebody holler at you
and they twenty five, twenty six. It is a compliment.
(14:30):
I can see that. Yeah, it's a compliment. You know.
Oh head, you know, still looking good man, that's a
beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
When so when so when you talk to somebody on
the phone, you're saying it's overWe.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, that's anything in life. Anything. If you have a
problem with another man, try to get them on the
phone and talk to him.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
What if they don't pick up or they're not and
then you do what you do or you know, if
they're not being receptive to a private conversation, then do.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You go public? Now you still don't go public? So
never go public. Yeah, it's not it's not worth it.
It's not worth it, you know, just like it's a
thing out now with me and Cedric to entertainer. Yeah.
And the thing about what said, I never bought it out?
Well you were what you were banned from your own show.
I was banned from my own show, which was crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But but see that goes to a cat was saying,
as far as there's a collective group who move a
certain way right and they don't let outsiders in, and
then I guess that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, here's the thing before. And like I said, when
I started comedy, cat was about fifteen, sixteen years old.
I come from nineteen eighty five. Nobody was doing comedy
for me, right, that's burning back and over them. And
what happened to the business is that if you put
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up your money, nobody could be able to tell you
what to do with your money. I don't care if
you boss, you ain't gonna tell me what to do
with my bread. Yeah, I put up. So the comedy
game changed when comedians say, yo, don't put him on
the show. I bring my own people. And most comedians
did that so they wouldn't be in competition with a
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younger comic who might be funnier than them. So they
did that to protect themselves so they won't get booed.
So they won't get booed or they look bad. Now
I know how good I am. What comedy has led to.
I've been doing this so long that my style of
comedy has been manipulated, stamped on, Like if I was
selling the key and we put powder on that motherfucker,
you know what I'm saying, so you could stretch it.
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So my style of comedy is so far gone that
comics when they do that style, they really think they
developed it. But I was actually the person that put
it together. And if anybody ever get to meet you,
ever get a chance to meet Bob Something, Tina Graham.
They was the two people that started Death Chair with
Russell Simmons, and they'll tell you that they built my
(16:55):
They built that show around T. K. Kirkland. That style
of raw and uncut was TK Kirkland and that's how
death Jam style, and that's how when you see them show,
it was crazy. It was, you know, on a whole
nother level. But I just never did death Jam. For
one for I did something else that did a special
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on HBO or More Funny, and then I had a
situation later in line that I had it was a misunderstanding,
So I never did death Jam. But to still be
working at the so many people did death Jam. There's
still selling out around the world because I'm not just
doing America. You know, I'm doing Australia as you're paying London,
England and to sign one of the biggest deals with
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Live Nation with no movie probably no movie credits, no
TV credits. So they saw something to me that they
loved and we've been rolling ever since.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
How do you not take something like that person was
in your face over a course of decades, like yo,
that's is it like a flattery thing? Like yo, that's
that's that's me.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I don't care, don't care. But like I said, I'm
not like all the other comments. And is that is
that a personality trait? That's just the think it's personality
house raised. You know, I came up with I come
up with the streets, so I don't come up with
the comedians. Yeah, I love them from a distance, they like,
you know, distant cousins, right, And when I see them,
I shake your hand and say hello. They'll compliment you
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like t K, I love you, love your style, And
I sit there and chill. But I don't. I don't
go to nobody's house. It ain't like we getting together
on It's just how I moved.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So is that But does that be from a street
perspective or is that so you don't because you know
these dudes and you don't want to even get caught up.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Into that you No, no, no, just I'm much older than everybody,
you know, I'm a senior citizen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But but but it's still camaraderie amongst Nah, I just
I'm an introvert. Okay, so you so as a personality,
tr that's just naturally even if you weren't doing comedy,
you don't go to people houses, No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Do nothing. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's how.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Because a lot of people, even in hip hop, in music,
it's like like you know, you have people like Riding
Rich was like a manti social and I know Roddy,
so I know that he likes to be He don't
want to be in the mix. He don't want to
go to people's power house parties, right right, type of stuff.
I don't do all that. Okay, So you don't do
all of the comingling during awards weekends.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Oh no, I ain't doing all that. But is that
because that's who you are you don't like the people? No,
it's because I've done all of that. See. I came
up through hip hop, don't you see? Most commedians came
up through comedy clubs. I came up through comedy clubs.
But then I was doing arenas for most comedians was
doing arenas. I was torn with n w A, I
was touring with jay Z the Cash twenty Millionaires Luke, Ludacris,
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everybody that was big. I was on their tour. So
I was doing twenty thirty thousand people at ninth and
you got to be good to do twenty thirty thousand
people at night tour with Nelly I did with everybody.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What's the best part and the worst part about those experiences?
As far as being in front of those crowds.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It was never the worst for me. It was great
as I felt that I was that man, yo, I
was really rocking arenas to be a comedians rocking arenas.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So look, let me ask you this, because the Kings
of Comedy gets a lot of the credit for doing arenas. First, yes,
but what are you doing arenas before that?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay? So I want you to listen to comprehend, not
listen to reply. Watch what I'm saying. I said I
was on hip hop tours, not comedy tours. The comedy
tours came because someone made a decision. They got some money,
They put this show together and they called it the
Kings of Comedy. What people don't know that it was
(20:45):
another It was the original Kings of Comedy was Jerry
Lewis and those guys back in the day. And my
man I forgot his name. Who was behind the Kings
of Comedy had to change something because the Kings of
Comedy was a whole group of the men. I think
it was in the forties and fifties, you know, So
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that's how that worked. But as far as stand up comedy,
I was doing tours with the rappers. Comedy was it's
just like politics. You know. Bernie Mack was good, yes,
but it's Bernie Mack the funniest because you had Robin Harris.
I mean, you had DL Hue, you got Martin Lawrence, right,
(21:26):
you got for every four of you had Chris Rock,
he had Chris Tucker. You had people who starved head.
Let's even go deeper. You had Keenan Ivy walliams Arsenior Hall. Right. See,
there's some names out there. So whoever projects what you
see you could. Once you get out there and you
can project what you want, people are run with it
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and won't even think about all these other people. They'll
think that's official. But imagine if it was like the
super Bowl. You had to go through the playoffs to
get to become the Kings of Comedy because you were
so good that the fans chose you to be in
that arena, right, that's different. This is hand picked. So
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they got the title Kings of Comedy. Is not to
take anything away from them comics, but in actuality, there
was a Keenan Ivy Wayams, there was a kid named
Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
So then do you think so because I noticed that
you have never self proclaimed yourself to be a goal,
You've never helped proclaim yourself to be a king of comedy,
do you feel like that's disrespectful to the people that
come before?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
No? No, no, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I
mean I really don't. People take this stuff too seriously.
I just want to get the money. You're not tripping now,
I'm not tripping. You know. It's only titles and one
hundred years, all of us in this room, no matter
where we will be going, nobody is gonna care about
no titles.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, okay, now I get that. It's something I wanted
to add. Oh I wanted to I want to read
you something I saw you. It says sad to see
so many men and women give up on their dreams, hobbies,
passions and health just be because they are now in
a relationship. Stay on your path with or without a
woman or a man. I said what I said, that's right?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, I mean self explanatory. Do you so?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Fuck whoever I'm getting. I gotta go and do what
I gotta do, because that's the attitude I have. But
I get a lot of flak for it. Like for instance,
between us, I'm there, he's married, the ring on his
fing with two kids, chose the.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Family, like I don't have none of the above.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yes, and because I'll choose to focus on this over here.
And I guess the question is is that is that
blanketed for everybody?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Is that a statement for everybody? But you're a young man,
but you really know the answer already. And the answer
is is whatever you choose to do with your life.
Like he's married, that's what he wanted, he pursued that,
got married. Hopefully he's truely happy. He's done in the room.
When everybody's goes back mother crazy and you don't do it,
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don't marry that bitch. Yeah we we ain't happy. And
it works for some people. But I think that you
gotta it all comes down to you gotta know who
you are? Would you He knows who he is absolutely,
That's why he's married, would you recommend marriage to me?
(24:18):
My question is I don't know you really well to
answer that question, we only met a couple of times. No,
marriage is good for some people because the reason why
I say you shouldn't get married again, you gotta know
who you are. Some people need to be with somebody.
I feel that some people don't want to be alone.
Some people don't know how to beat themselves. Some people
don't know how to keep their house clean. Some people
don't know how to pay their bills. Like sometimes a woman
(24:40):
can come in I got home and and help you,
like when I'm out. Sometimes I'm all over the world
I see men women shopping for their man and putting
it up to them like you're like a child, and
that ship I be wanting to punch him. I want
to be I want to go up and punch him
in his face, because that's not a man. Your wife
(25:02):
telling you to turn around, and you go in the
dressing room, you come out, you posing for She's like, yeah,
that's nice. Try on this right here. Tell the sales
of woman old man. Get the other shirt we was
looking at. That drives me.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
So what have you ever been at the gas station?
And saw a woman pumping the gas and sit in
the car.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Listen to me, fan trigger right. I was in New York.
You know, I'm pulling up in the whip and I
see this fine I'm talking about She was fine, dog.
I'm gonna repeat it. She was fine. So I'm the
kind of guy if I'm feeling you, I might pay
for your gas. I'm the kind of guy. We at
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a restaurant, I might pay You could be a group
of women. I'll tell the way to come over here.
I'm going to pay their bill. And when the girl
says who paid for just give him a number. I
do that kind of stuff. Yeah, we all know this
is in my DNA. And I'm going to go pay
this girl's gas. And I'm walking up excuse me, sister,
And I saw the dude leaning back like this Jackson,
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and I saw the phone. I'm like, yo, it's it's
a man in the car. I busted you turn and
walked back to my car, And as I pulled up
to her, I said, baby, you should never let know
you should never be pumping the gas and a man
sitting in the car. That hurt me, yo. And then
I started seeing it more and more and more. And
(26:33):
I always tell men, you gotta know how to be
a gas ferry. You know, you know what the gas
fer is like if you ain't got a car and
your girl driving said baby pulled over and it takes
eating at me, park at me, let me before your
gas take you know, take her to go get a
car washed in detail if it's dirty. You know, I said,
come on, we're gonna go get your car washed. And
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you know, especially if you ain't got a car, you
gotta show a woman that you're there not trying to
take advantage. And it don't cost much. Twenty thirty forty
dollars to make a woman Happy's some of the fly
stuff you can do in your life.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I respect that. I'm the same way I move like that.
I just don't believe in other certain things.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
But I definitely And what don't you believe in like
opening the car door? Now, if you're going to be
my friend, if you ever want me to do another
interview with let him know. You've got to start opening
a woman's door. Come on now, like come on, family,
put it like this. One day you might have a child,
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a girl, and you're gonna want that man to treat
her with the utmost respect that a man can do.
And when you don't, you're gonna be You're gonna have
to confront like, yo, my man, like what you're doing.
Let's take your mom. I heard you talking about your mom.
Imagine someone was disrespecting your mother. I don't think it's disrespect. No, No,
imagine now, I said, Imagine, yeah, Imagine somebody's not your
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mom is good to do, and to do it ain't
opening the door. Imagine a man coming over your house
and your mom's cooking for them all the time. Imagine
your mom buying all the groceries and he coming there
eating up all the bacon, you know, all the camels, sammonichs,
me balogne and cheese, eating up all the several lee bread.
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And you're hearing your mom complaining, you know, Steve, don't
bring nothing over, you know, and you're looking at her like, well,
that's why he's supposed to supposed to use you, supposed
you know, you let him in here. You wouldn't want
that to happen. Dog. But and so that means you
are lacking a few things in life. And and right now,
(28:40):
when we walked in, it was a tense star to
make I got to take take a play card away
and revoked right now? Yeah, at least three or four. Ye,
you're a nice guy. You can't move like that through life.
And I'm not saying let the woman take advantage of you.
I'm saying, you know who to do that for and
(29:01):
who so you shouldn't even know I was. But you
should even go out with the person unless you want
to do those things my discernment, right, I have to
use discernment. Yeah, you got to be a man at
all times. Have you have you ever found because I
I won one hundred agree with you?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
By the way, have you ever found yourself being taken
advantage of the Bible?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I think we all get taken advantage of Right, what
was that like? But here's the thing, let me explain that.
See when before you got your your whip, you had
probably another car. But when you got money, you got
your tesla? Right you got yo? Oh, I'm doing good.
You know you you're able to try out out of
the country and get vitamins that you normally couldn't get locally.
(29:39):
And my right, you can only do that with yeah, yeah,
you can only do you can only do that with money.
Money brings you the best women in the world. Dog
money brings you the best p U S s y
in the world. So when men are saying, oh, she's
a gold digger, Noah, it's just that your money has
put you in a a position a better company. Money
(30:03):
has put you in a better position of quality conversation. Now,
it doesn't mean that that person is not trained the
same way you are, meaning that person could be after you.
That's when you got to be mature and understand where
there's mind feels. Because there's some women you can mess with.
It could be all gained right, So you take your time,
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you enjoy yourself. Especially when you guys are young, you
don't have enough experience in life to really know what
kind of woman to be with. So you guys get
want to fall in love at twenty something years old
and you haven't dated nobody, you haven't been through nothing
to say. Out of all the people I rocked with
(30:45):
this sister one, you said something really really important.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I think it's a true sessiment that for me getting
married early too, it's like I wanted to build with somebody,
yes saying and get with somebody. I'm not gonna say early,
but like a better times than how old I am. Right,
I wanted to build with someone right, have somebody kind
of be a part of my empire, you know what
I mean? For me, that was my head, my mind
set in times of like why I decided.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And it's deeper than that too. You probably couldn't have
pulled nobody else. And at that time, that was the
right girl. Like, man, I know, I don't nobody can
find another one like this, right because some guys don't
have that swag. Some people don't like chasing women and
calling them all the time. So when you get that
first woman to like you and she's fine, you want
to knock it down fast because some men don't move
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like that, you know. Like one of my homies told
me years ago, this is how I got that line,
he said, TK. He said, every time I see you,
always have a bad woman on you. And I always said,
I always keep a bad bitch breathing on me. You
know what I'm saying. So I talked to my high
school coach not too long ago. I was fourteen, and
(31:52):
all they had afraid of a track reunion, and he said,
all the guys that was there was talking about Kirkland.
They said, one thing about Kirkland. He always had fine women.
This was in high school. This is nineteen seventy six,
nineteen seventy seven. So I always had beautiful women. But
then as you go through life, you want them to
(32:13):
be a tractor. But then you start thinking about character.
He want them to be beautiful and character. But then
you want them to have something going for themselves, right,
and maybe once in the blue moon you find someone
that doesn't have none of that, but you have the
ability to make them an asset. See, they may not
(32:34):
be an asset, but if you lack a person that
much you make them, it could happen. Do you see
yourself getting married and nope, OK, tell me why not.
Well I'm sixty three, about to be sixty four, so
it doesn't make sense to get married. But I'll buy
a woman a ring, you know, I'll put a ring
on you let you know I care. I respect you.
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And because when another man, a strong man, sees a
on a woman's finger, he'll respect her because that shows
a bond, you know. So if a woman is in
my life and she meets someone, I said, don't never
tell no man you love me. She said, what do
you mean. That's it? Never tell no man you love me.
Don't even tell a man you got a man. If
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a guy rolls up on you and he's talking to you,
and you really respect me to say, just say I'm
holding it down for someone already. See, because holding it
down is different. It has a different reaction to the mind.
Because when women have said I love my man, I'll
have a boyfriend so much it holds no weight, and
men look right past that. I don't care. Now I'm
(33:40):
gonna go right. But if you say you holding it
down for someone, you got it on lock. And that
guy who, if he's a man, he understands that, I'm
gonna use that. Yeah, you should dropping the game. You
know what I'm saying. You know you're talking to kid,
that's that's right. Yeah, you don't tell nobody you love
me telling you holding it down for me? Now you
(34:02):
did something you talked about earlier. Fatherhood.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I wanted this is my last question as far as
fatherhood for just generic, just generally for fathers, not the
ones with bad baby mamas or anything like that. Just
as a father, what dad advice would you give to
other fathers out there?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Just in general? That you have to understand life. One.
You got to know that sex makes babies, not love. Fact. Right,
So if you have sex and you have a child,
you may not have the bond that you want with
that child the way you had love with another family.
And when you have those two different entities going on,
(34:38):
you don't make the same type of commitment to a
child that you had sex with a mama because there
was no real there was no bond either. Live in
the house. Think about it. You have a woman has
your child. You never met a mother, never been to
their house, never met their dad, never met their brothers
and sisters, never been to none of the things for
growth to have roots in the ground. But then if
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you had a strong relationship, not even married, yo, lived together,
had a baby, he was in a home for years,
and if you separate it, there's still a bond there
to I want to do right. But then you got
some men who are weak who will say because I'm
not with you, I'm not taking care of the kid.
That's something that's some trauma from something else. And there
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are men out there that to do that, to use
that against the female. They'll say, unless I'm with you,
I'm not gonna take care of my child. Then you
got some women who will have a baby and say
I don't need nothing from you. I could take care
of the kid by myself. So there's all different lanes
to this. You know, you have to choose the character
(35:44):
of woman the most important part, right because once you
have a child and the man or woman bring you
confusion and pain, that's eighteen years of a life sentence.
That's how I look at minimums. Eighteen years. It's a
life sentence of pain and confusion. Maybe child support court,
someone talking bad about you. Someone you're taking care of
(36:07):
your kid, but she's a money hungry person and she's
telling up if you don't take care of your kid.
So that gets into the streets and it's like, oh,
you don't take care of your kid, but you know
you taking care of your kid. And then you got
women who have a child but they don't have no money.
Say he was looking you for the bank. So here's
two broke mothers and fathers having a child. But the
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woman is saying, oh, you ain't nothing because you don't
have your money. But baby, you know I come from
poverty too. We saw each other, we had a drink.
You had on them jeans and you had your Cleveland child,
and you know I gave you a PDD a proper
Dictum he real me and we had this child. And
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now we as adults, we have to try to do right.
So during this journey, I'm gonna get my life together.
You're gonna get your life together. And I want women
to understand too. If you got a baby father who
it's probably struggling now life. Eventually that man is working hard.
Eventually he will become a better man and be a
great father. And now ten fifteen years later he has
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the money, and them tables do turn. You could be
struggling and now he got the kid and he turned
out to be a great man. So be mindful because
them tables can turn.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
This is my last thing. Is you gotta go? In
hip hop? I remember asking uh partisan Fontaine. He's an
artist from New York, from the East Coast. Yes, he
writes a lot. He wrote a lot of the Cardi
b first album. And I asked him about being could
you be a gut considered a goat in rap?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Don't write your wraps like Drake is accused of and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The same question goes for comedy. You have a lot
of people who have writers. Yes, you have people who
either contribute to someone's comedy and they do these big
tours and big whatever the case may be. Can you
be a goat or a legend in comedy if you
don't write every.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Word amongst other writers?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
If you're the stand up, we're the writers and we
write for you. Yes, can you be a goat?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah? Because you still have to have the ability to
tell the joke. Okay, because somebody can write a joke,
and if you don't know how to tell the joke,
the joke doesn't fly. I get you. It's like a
person that you can write a song for. If that
person don't sing it right, it's not a hit. It
sounds good. But I'm gonna take this to Luther. Yeah,
I feel that, and Luther gonna blow this thing out
the water. You understand, So same with I get people. Lately,
(38:32):
I've been asking people have been asking me that write
for me. But my jokes is just so pure and honest,
and you got to be able to feel. You can't
write what I feel. Have you ever written for other comedians? No? No, no, no,
you would never even do. I would never even do that.
Is that integrity or is that because of the craft
or what? Why is that? I just don't care about that.
(38:53):
I feel when I really like, I really wish people
didn't take entertainment so serious. It's like it's just too much, man,
because at the end of the day, when it's all over, Yo,
all you got is things. All you got is just
I don't even think you think about it when you're
(39:14):
about to leave here. I think that when you go
through all this, that you go through the houses, the cars,
the women on your last days, that don't even cross
your mind. I think you just be thinking about survival.
And so the gold is just to live and enjoy it.
So if you do, if you are capable remembering things,
(39:38):
you could say, Yo, it's cool. I had a ball.
You know. The thing that I found in life is Alzheimer's.
That's all Zheimer's, Allzheimer's, Azeimer's. But I think it's Azimer's,
all Zheimer's all Zheimer's, Okay, good Alzheimer's. That it's amazing
that a white person can have Alzheimer's and still know
(39:59):
they don't like black people. Memories there interesting, Yeah, that's crazy, right,
Just like just like when people say they're crazy. I said,
everybody's not crazy. And so what do you mean. I said,
if you put a person in the middle of a
highway and tell them walk over there and get a
(40:19):
sandwich and they see cars coming, I bet you they stop.
I bet they're not crazy because you knew to stop.
See t K's mental health facility.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Everybody he really crazy because he's fla right exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Put him on the street, and I guarantee you, say,
I guarantee you they stop. So if they keep walking,
they're crazy. They're crazy. If you see him over in there,
that's one crazy for the recond before we get killed.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
In the comments all timers, all all zime, Alzheimer's, Timer's,
Timer's Alzheimer, Himer's Alzheimer's, because I say all timers.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, I said the same I said the same thing
until you just set up like wait, I say Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think it's get us, get us, get timers. Timer.
I want to say it right, Okay, Allhimer's Okay, Alzheimer's.
Oh that's okay. I'm just lexing. So it's good that
I saw it that way. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take
a picture of that. Yeah, because I like to know
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you can't say things right.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You can say you can say a gang and ship,
but if you saying it the wrong way, nobody's gonna
take you serious.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Nosna take you seriously, because every now and then on
my interviews, I might say one thing wrong and kill
you or you can get something, and people think that
you have this brain that you cannot make a mistakes.
Just like when conversation you can say something like, oh no,
that's what I meant and go on. You know what
the person met on these interviews, they will you on
(42:00):
you bro. You know. So the thing about the Cat
Williams inter be to all the stuff he said was phenomenal.
All I said to people was I want to race
Cat in a forty yard dash. You think you beat him?
I could beat him, you for sure. I'm positive. I
put twenty thousand on it. He did. He did a
four to four. It was not a real Now, I
want you to think about that. And but Cat also
(42:23):
younger too, is fifty Okay, all right, so I want
you to before we go, and I love Cat. I'm
just really making fun of this. Gotcha. Deon Sanders ran
a full one in his prime, and what that consideration,
and to be honest, the full one, a full one.
(42:43):
It is prime, prime time. Yo, cat ran a full
four in sweats that they said he ran and he
is fifty. Now the math ain't mathew, right. So my
point that I'm making if we did run, and to
all the fans that's listening, if you cut this out
and edit it, please make sure you put the part in.
(43:06):
I'm saying this is all fun because I like to
make some stuff fun. I'm not saying we're gonna run
a fast time. I'm not. We ain't gonna In fact,
we ain't gonna be nowhere in the sixth right right.
Just to be clear, Yo, we're gonna run a forty
your dads and about eight point one. Let's be clear
(43:26):
for people who understand eight point one and a forty slow.
But I know I can get him now. I don't
know what's going to results afterwards. I don't know I'm
gonna have to go to the hospital. I'm gonna get him,
though you care. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
what we've done, what the results are when we're finished.
But I got a feeling I might have to go
(43:47):
man to the to the urgent care. After I gotta
feel winner. But I'm gonna win it though with my
twenty thousand. I feel you and thank you guys so much.
Appreciate you guys, yo, And we're gonna do this next year.
You know, I always come once a year, so I'll
(44:08):
be back again next year. I won't be doing comedy
here for two years. Really here after this week, I
worked so much and had so much fun. I really,
I say, I have this rule that I really want
people to miss you. You gotta be missed. So I
come up with the princes and the Michael Jackson's right,
and when they did events, they would do an album.
They're rocket for years. They've been gone four or five
(44:32):
years before you see them again.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
So how do you implement social media with that? Whereas
today we see everything about you in your life.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Well that's differing a stand up. See now, I found
my niche in my ig. So I take my thoughts
and I get up like two or three o'clock in
the morning, and I start thinking, and I'm like, what
do I want to put into the universe today? And
I put my post together and I put it out
and then it takes off. It's like it's been. It's been.
(45:03):
What I've done lately is just really done well. And
if people hopped on to it, and it just to
give people early the money something to think about, you know,
like today about not giving up your dreams and somebody
somewhere said I'm not giving up my dreams, or someoney
somewhere say, baby, we're gonna work this together. And what
I want to tell men and women have your own constitution.
(45:25):
We forget what's going on in the world where other
people tell you. If you and the girl can have
an understanding about what you want in your world, that's
how you win. It's it's a contract between both of y'all.
But you got to make sure both people understand how
to comprehend and clearly understand the story. Because you ever
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sat in the room and everybody walked out of there
with different thoughts of what they what was saying, that's crazy,
like we always in the same room you heard that,
or you watch a video and everybody so different, it's insane.
So you got to make sure you're clear in the conversation, right,
So to go back then, and I'd like to do inconclusion,
(46:10):
the go over south. Make sure you talk to someone
if you have a problem. Always speak to to the
people that understand coming. When someone steals a joke, it's
not their set. A joke is to maybe a minute, minute,
thirty seconds. A set is an hour, you know. Now,
if someone steals someone set, I think you should get upset.
If someone takes one minute of your your set, that's dumb.
(46:34):
It's like you got a thousand dollars in the bank
and someone took a hundred dollars. You ain't gonna get
rid of that nine hundred and ninety nine. I mean,
at nine hundred dollars, you're gonna hold on to it, right,
same thing with life. I feel that I respect you
so much, man, one of my favorite I want you
to for me being black. I want you to make
(46:55):
me number one. Okay, I'm gonna tell you why I
want you to do that. We are in the world
that as African Americans, we have to stick together in
so many ways. Just like we all know Eminem was
really probably one of the greatest rappers around, and but
in the hip hop world, they won't consider that is
because he's white. Yes, so only blacks are the only
(47:19):
people that give people a pass when we do the Oscars,
and you see Samuel Jackson outshining my man in pulp fiction?
What was his name? John Volta? You think they gave
Samuel Jackson the award? When you see Ike continue to
turn in the movie and what's my man from that?
(47:41):
Played Ike lawns Fisburgh. He got an oscar. See, we're
the only ones that give people a pass. I feel
the only ones, yo, We're the only ones to get people.
I feel that. And what we have to start doing
is representing our own When I hear problems about Black
lives matter, and I'm in different parts of the world,
(48:03):
and when they was in the in the in the
news and how they was misusing money, and I bring
up Jerry Lewis and he said, what do you mean?
I said, Jerry Lewis America all the way till he died,
and so what it means? I said. Jerry Lewis did
a telethog called Muscular Discover. He had all the celebrities
on the phone. They'll be in the back and he'll
(48:24):
tell you right now, we just we fine hundred thousand
and people clapping, and them people when you saw the videos,
them people when he died, still had them problems. He
didn't cure nobody, so as we have to start thinking.
Give me an example. Every holiday on Saint Patrick's they
black stress up and put green on like the Irish.
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Have you ever seen a white person do that? For
Black History Month? We're afro and a dashiki with an
Afro pick in the hand. The single demaya we get
we party for single demid mile different no disrespective Spanish,
but you don't see nobody doing that for hours. We
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have to start, and that really mean is we have
to start understanding what we say and do. We got
to understand it because it's power, you know, it's power,
and that's something that we have to take the consideration.
Even though somebody is really good and I'm not racist,
Let's make sure we're clear. I just want us to
protect our own just a little bit more. And if
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we protect our own just a little bit more, we'll
start having respect for each other. And it starts with
one and it spreads, you know, like some women that
I meet, I tell them don't use profanity and the
girls say, oh TK, and some who I am And
I convinced them eventually to stop, And I said, it's
not that I don't want you to curse. I said,
I want you to curse when you're really upset. That
(49:55):
way people know you're really mad. And then when you
have girlfriends starts ain't around them. I'm gonna stop using
profanity because most of the women I know are beautiful,
and I say to them, somebody's watching you and they're
looking up to you. So if you start saying I'm
not gonna curse the one, they're gonna start saying. You know,
I ain't gonna curse no more. You gotta be the change. Yeah,
(50:15):
you gotta be the change because women don't know that
when they use profanity, they lose value. Damn, they lose
value because if a man is a real man, you're
not bringing no woman around your mother that used profanity
your grandmother. Let's say you meet a girl and you
got kids. You don't want that kind of girl around
your daughter or your son using all type of fews
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and kiss my ass. H. I guess where's the respect?
You have to have a level of respect so high
that people don't even play games like you still have fun,
but that joking on each other aventure of that least
to somebody getting mad eventually because you're joking too much.
I feel that, you know, yeah, you're joking too much.
(51:03):
You got it here. Respect Gary, We're losing it. The
respect thing is being lost on soul many levels, you know.
And when you think when the post that I talked
about yesterday about how men are working twenty times harder
than their grandfather's for a woman who's verse twenty times
in their grandmother, and no one understood what I meant
(51:24):
and what I meant by that is back in the sixties,
I saw women coming up wanting to be independent. They cooked,
they took care of their husbands. And now today women
are twerking their half neckd going through the mall. And
when you talk to them, they'll say, you can't tell
me what to do. Says there's no leadership, there's no guidance, right,
(51:46):
and then you got men who don't know how to guide.
So it's ah messed up. Now it's all disarrayed. This
is this is this what I see. I don't see
no coming back.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I want I want you for the folks that we'll
see you or we'll see this in real time. You know,
how can they catch you what's coming up? You know
where they canna actually check you out.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Live absolutely, tick us go and sale. Next month, my
Live Nation tour called catch Me if you Can, that's
what we call on it. We're gonna be everywhere. We're
doing forty three cities. The thing I liked about Live
Nation is that they understood my strategy because most of
the time you go on tour, they'll put you in
three different cities in the same weekend. And I explain
(52:29):
to them that we have to do one weekend and
in some cities we'll do two or three. Because I
know my age and I don't ever want to be
that guy that yo you heard about me pasted and
I was in a hotel and I was tired and
I didn't wake up. But I don't want to be
that dude. So I work out, I take care of
my body, and I want to have that week to rest,
(52:50):
see my grandkids, to be my children a little bit more,
Still work out, still have sex a little bit if
I want to, you know what I mean, because I
don't want to have to do that, have sex, see
the grandkids, go see my children, then to wear your
body out. But if I do it that way, guess what,
everything's smooth or I can lay up with my girl
a little champagne on the balcony of the beach, knowing
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that I'll be in Hawaii or somewhere next week. But
I'm gonna have to rush to do it. I could
take the time, haircut, manicure, predicaure, get the massage, you know,
play your shit. You know what I'm saying. So I
don't want to thank them and the dealers for ten years.
But I'm not gonna do ten years. And ten years
I'll be seventy four years old. That ain't happening. So
but who knows. I could probably pull it off. I
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could probably pull it off. But I just want people
to really sit back and learn from me and know
that everything I say is genuine and I want the
best for everybody in life and I really, I truly,
really mean that. And avoid the pitfalls of life. Don't
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get caught up in the he said, she said, don't
run and clicks. Don't be the person of don't be
the messenger. A lot of people understand about the messenger.
Giving example is on time when I meet women, and
because a basketball football player would get a bad rep
because if your girlfriend's with you, your girl will say girl,
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you know he got women everywhere, and that devalues the
guy and the girl starts to believe in her girlfriend.
But what they're actually saying is, bitch, ain't no way
he choosing you. Ain't no way you can pull him.
They hating on the low because what a female good
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friends should say. Girl, you might be the one. You
should make sure you handle that because you know other
women like him down gon't get that. But most women
are semi sublimely hating on their friend. Or someone says
something bad about you, and that person knows gonna make
you mad, and they come back to your homeboy was
(55:00):
talking about you. Let me tell you what he said.
You're just as bad as the person that said it.
So don't be the messenger. Don't be the messenger unless
somebody's life is in danger. Other than that, keep it
to yourself. But people will literally come back the gossip
to say your home. You know you you, You're putting
the same energy in that message the same way they did,
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and maybe a little bit more more, definitely a little
bit more, and it's gonna mess up your days. And
now you all motion for no reason? Right T K.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Kirkling, Hey man, play a legend. I just appreciate you.
So you know when you do come back, we're gonna
have another.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I love it because I can see it in his eyes.
I'm calculating fun, taking everything, but he want to get
them points back. You moving from this right, You're gonna
do the right thing. Trust me on it, Trust me
and get the girl's car washed. I listen, Yeah, you
(56:01):
fucking me up. Okay, there you go. Do that, Just
hold on, do that. You know here's I'm gonna put
your luf on. If you got the girl live in
your area and you know a person that does car detailing,
don't even tell her you know a schedule. Had the
person go to the car, send him a picture of
the car and said, yo, just get out there in
(56:23):
the morning and start watching out. Want your detail? It
really good on the outside. She gonna come out. What's
going on? Oh? Your so and so told me to
detail your car. She's gonna go this is that such good?
That's so sweet?
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Bro, Listen, I have I don't want to make you.
I don't want to be more related to you. Yes,
we're gonna be all right, but listen, thank you. Oh yes,
time to go, thank you.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
We're good, Thank you, I said, you wrote them notes
down I was taking note. J head T. Thank you guys.
Follow me on t K, Underscore, Kirkland, make sure you
follow me, make sure you listen and comment, and if
you do follow me, just know that you are the
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zero point zero one percent that has completed something that
they started. Damn. Thank you, broking ladies and gentlemen,
Alright, we back at it Homegrown, another episode of the podcast,
live and direct from the Fab Factory Studios Factory.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Chuck DJ head. We got one of the legends in here.
One of my favorites. I was telling them earlier, you know,
definitely one of my favorites. I got a lot of
I'm a huge comedy kind of sewer of comedy, and
this man is on my list of people who I
enjoyed seeing who I would actually pay and get a
hard ticket sale.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
That's right. T. K. Kirkling is here. It's just you
and energy is everything. Start clapping that energy coming energy.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Alright, listen bro first and foremost, you know, shout out
the bouleg keV. You came to rock with us at
the radio station a couple of years ago, and I
really appreciated that. You shout to AK two, you know,
for looking out for me. I was like, man, you know,
it's weird when you know somebody's kid. I guess because
it's like, hey, you know what, I'm a huge fan
of your dad, Like, oh yeah, my pap.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Can come to your show do my show right, right,
right right. But you gave us that and I appreciate
that appreciate that. The thing that was funny about that,
I thought care was you? Oh was the white man?
I thought you was care? Yeah, you was cared all
that time. So I'm sitting there waiting and I'm like,
when they figured it out, all that was the funniest
thing in the world.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Okay, right, you know, but listen first and foremost, you know,
we appreciate you. Yes, as a comedy legend. Yes, I
want to know from your perspective. Just let's listen. Just
get right too. I want to know from your perspective,
what makes somebody funny?
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Mm hmm. I think it's a combination of personality, being
quick on your on your feet. But then it's also
confidence and not being afraid to go on stage and
not being afraid of something doesn't work like some people.
It's a lot of funny people off stage, but then
get us stage, get on stage. They don't know what
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to do. They know how to set things up, and
that takes training. You know. The way I started writing
jokes was believe or not. I've read a book. I
forgot the name of the book, and I've read this
book and it teaches you how to set up a punchline.
And this was in the eighties. I would like to
know then over the years, I have the ability just
like how Jay Z would say he could write something
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on the top of it said, I have the ability
to write jokes off the top of the dome. So
I haven't wrote a joke on a piece of paper
and probably thirty something years. Really, yeah, it's been that long.
Because I'll get a thought like if I get something today,
it'll be on my mind every day and now it's there,
and then when I go on stage, if it comes
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out that day, it comes out. If not, I'll get another.
But how do you know it's funny in your head?
Because I think after so many years, you know, it's
like a basketball player, right, who hasn't shot ball in
a long time. Like you see Stephen Carrey's pass his
dad the ball. He could shoot it from half court.
It could be a little luck, but you just it's
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just that feel from doing it so long and so
many years. It goes right there. Same thing with stand
up comedy. Damn.
Speaker 1 (03:18):
So I'm just thinking about thinking about that and you
saying that you love TK so much. I want to
get into why, because I feel like you're into a
certain level of comedy.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not talking about that. And
I think that that is one of the things.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So like when when you get on stage, and again,
a part of being funny is like is there a
certain thing of like, damn, this might not go over
because I got to be truth or it is it
like a certain level of just not giving us I.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Think after forty years in the business now you just
know what to do when you go on stage. You know,
you get there and you feel a certain way. But
all I do is just giving opinions of things that
read from the stock mark. Okay, I read politics, I
read about relationships, and when you go on stage, you
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just give your opinion. Gosh, and that's what I do.
I just give my opinion. But I know somewhere in
there you got to make it funny or I may
not be looking for jokes. I might just be wanting
to deliver knowledge and information just game.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, So then what's your thoughts on somebody likes Chappelle.
I feel like Chappelle doesn't go up there with the
intent to be funny. Sometimes sometimes he goes up there
and he's just kicking game.
Speaker 3 (04:29):
Yeah, something that he read probably that day, or he felt,
or something that's trending in the world. He just go
gives his opinion. He knows that no matter what he says,
somehow someone we're in there, I have to make it funny.
Is that?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Have you ever done that where you were speaking on
something and you're literally just kicking game or giving an opinion,
and in real time you freestyling the funny.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
I've freestyled all the time. That's what I'm saying on
write My joke's down. You know, It's just some stuff
I have in my head. It's like you have this
over here, you have everything, and it all comes together,
and it comes together based on the audience. It comes
to get together based on if you're tired or you're
well arrested, because if you're tired, you just want to
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get through it. So it's like being a run or
a boxer. You know, you know you can win, but
sometimes you just do just enough.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I want to get into the state of comedy because
we was talking about it and I think that the
state of comedy where it's at today, where it's sits,
is a lot parallel to where the state of hip
hop is. Yes, in a sense that the ogs are
still selling out, still touring, still on the road, still
getting to it, working every day, and the younger generation
not so much because of whatever the case may be,
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it might not be.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
They don't have the foundation that the OG's have.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Even I consider Drake to be at this point one
of those people who's not a legacy act, but he's
an established act at this point. Right, you got fifty
cent who just did an unbelievable amount of dates.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Sold out all over the world, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
But then you have the younger dudes, Travis Scott, I
think Little Baby canceled they tours.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Nobody knows why. Initially, you know you're not doing the numbers.
You're not canceling them. If you're doing the numbers. If
you're doing the numbers, you're going to get it. The
numbers is not good. Now you're gonna fall back. Yeah,
you're gonna fall back. Do you see that parallel between
comedy and him? When you bought it up? It may
it makes sense. You could only get so you can
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only get so far with being imitation. You know, you
can only get so far. And what is going on
with the people today? You guys are growing up? See
years ago you was able to get away. It was
like that parent, the mother who tells the kid that
your daddy ain't shit, and you believe her. Oh my
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daddy ain't shit. And then when you grow up and
you starts seeing things what it really is, you go, Ma,
you lied to me. That just happened to me. Wow,
that just happened to me.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Literally, my dad just start coming around, right and I
just had my fortieth birthday. My dad just start coming
around and he started telling me stuff, and I'm like, oh,
my mom was being a woman like, you know, just
being you know, emotional.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Yes, yes, And that's how most of the stuff is.
And kids don't see it. But if you have children
out there, young men and women, or young men young men,
and you got a baby mama that's doing that, just no.
One day, if you live long enough, the kids will
find out the truth. Can a mother who's bitter like
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that or emotional can only lie so much and then
eventually they gonna find out the truth.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So the people that come to that, the people that's
coming to the comedy shows are now looking for more, or.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
They're looking for more because now they've burnt out. They
know that there's like you bullshiting me all these years.
He wasn't really giving me what I want to think
about some of these comedians who was famous and young.
You spend all your money and you go into the
show and they only could do fifteen minutes. You didn't
have time to have your drinks, you ain't have time
to have fun. You get the drive there was longer
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than their act. Gotcha. So now you've burnt out and
all these comedians are doing it. And the numbers was
good years ago, but it started to tank just a little.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
So you think that the comedians are like fooling people?
Speaker 3 (08:18):
Is that what they're fooling people? For a while, some
people learned to get a little better. But if you
go to maybe ten comedy shows, but eighty percent of them,
most of those communis are not funny. They might be
funny for a few minutes, but I'm talking about whole
the whole time, act, about your whole set. You know
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you're gonna get a little chuckles. Can you be funny
right right? Sixty minutes? Can you be funny for an
hour and thirty minutes? That's what I'm saying. It's hard
to do that. I want to go back to the
early days.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Just for a second, because you mentioned picking up that
book you know for you obviously was that something that
you were already kind of like on on the heels
of comedy and trying to develop your style and you said, okay,
I'm at a ceiling now let me find out that
next thing to develop.
Speaker 3 (09:07):
I just think in anything you do in life, you
got to know the foundation. Like some people inherit money
after the parents died, grandparents pass and they say, oh,
open up a business. But then the year two years
they lose, right, because no one took the time to
either go work for that the business that they wanted
to do, because you got to learn the business. You
just can't jump in the business, right. People jump in
the business, they lose everything. But you got to actually
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go work in that business, know that business before you
start that business, and people don't do that. And same
thing with anything put It's like trying to apply a plane.
Yeah it looks good, you got to know what you're doing.
The same thing with a car. If you're young, no
one's ever taught you to drive. You don't know nothing,
so you got to take lessons. So it's the same
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thing with stand up. The same with anything. Being a doctor,
you got to learn against you don't, but you don't
necessarily hear comedians say that, you know what I mean,
They just want to go on and thinks way it goes.
But the true good comedians have learned that. Well however
they got their information. However, that how they taught themselves.
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That's the foundation of being a good stand up comic.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
Got you? Now, obviously you know you. You weren't mentioned
in the in the the Cat Williams thing like that,
but like Chuck was saying, like you wanted the ones,
that what makes you wanted the ones for me is
the reality based chief telling style of comedy, right, And
I think I mean I got you, I got Cat,
I got obviously you know Chappelle and all these people,
(10:36):
But like I really like uh Corey Holcombe. Yes, Bill
Burr is probably my number one right now, not to
be confused with Bill Bellamy.
Speaker 3 (10:47):
And then also I like Hannibal Burr's okay, yeah, yeah, yeah,
he's seen him in Yes he's funny. So okay.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
So when you see a comic perform, what do you
go based on your opinion if they're funny?
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Or do you go based on the audience. I'll go
based on my opinion, but believe it or not, I
don't watch comics perform at all. I think it's a
bad thing for a comedian to watch another comic. Damn.
So what's the last time you seen a comic perform?
Last night, I'm one of my shows. But that's because
I'm sitting I known this dude's act for a long time,
and I watched him because he went on right before me.
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Got you, a good comedian will go on, go watch
who's going on before him, so you don't talk about
the same thing, but then you could piggyback off what
they just talked about and then work into your act.
But the reason why I don't watch other comics because
the thing that's going around how you can steal somebody's joke,
how you can steal somebody set And most people, I think,
don't want to steal someone's joke. But if you watch someone,
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it seeps in, it seeps in. Then I remember it happened.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I remember seeing something about uh uh it was a
Now it wasn't Cedric, it was you said Cat had
used one of your jokes.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
Yeah, Cat, and I'm not. And when I said that,
I'm explained to what people what I meant. Cat said
who Raised You? On his special? And people reached out
to me, your cat stole your joke. T I ain't
trip about that because it wasn't a set. See, I'm
more mature than most people. I got more knowledge than
most people. Now if he did who raised You throughout
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the whole show, he stole my joke because it's a set.
It's a set. He just said it one time. That's
not my set. But I'm not petty. The average comic.
If you'd have said that would have been you you steal.
You're stealing my stuff. But I didn't trip.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
I've tried not to triple off too much stuff. I mean,
you know me for a while. My thing is I
think when people know me like yo, he a real
cool brother, like I ain't. You're not never tripping. I
ain't moving like that. You know I don't move like that.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
I did say I did hear you say something about that?
As far as like it's petty to call out comedians
over over stealing.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
Jokes, because I think if you really have a problem
with someone, I don't wanna lie talk to them on
the phone and once you talk to them, it's done.
You don't keep talking about it. You know, social media
has soften the world so bad that people jump on
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these things and click bait and say what they did
to say. And we're using the we're losing the ability
to be men out here in the world. The rules
are all going different type of directions, and what I
try to do is just pretty much, let's get it
back in order, because the women are really looking for
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strong men and men who move like men. You got
men who they all over the place, they more emotional
like women, and women know. It's that the same way
the young comics have falling off the same way the
rappers are falling off the old school comedians. Women are
now looking for older guys like I got so many
young women trying to holler at me. It's crazy. And
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they starting now at twenty four to twenty five wanting
to take me out to dinner, wanting to I mekuess
it isn't telling you. It's insane, And I want to
thank you ladies. You know, I just ain't got the
time thank you so much, you know, you know, I mean,
I'm sixty three and to have somebody holler at you
and they twenty five, twenty six. It is a compliment.
(14:30):
I can see that. Yeah, it's a compliment. You know.
Oh head, you know, still looking good man, that's a
beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
When so when so when you talk to somebody on
the phone, you're saying it's overWe.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, that's anything in life. Anything. If you have a
problem with another man, try to get them on the
phone and talk to him.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
What if they don't pick up or they're not and
then you do what you do or you know, if
they're not being receptive to a private conversation, then do.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
You go public? Now you still don't go public? So
never go public. Yeah, it's not it's not worth it.
It's not worth it, you know, just like it's a
thing out now with me and Cedric to entertainer. Yeah.
And the thing about what said, I never bought it out?
Well you were what you were banned from your own show.
I was banned from my own show, which was crazy.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
But but see that goes to a cat was saying,
as far as there's a collective group who move a
certain way right and they don't let outsiders in, and
then I guess that's kind of.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, here's the thing before. And like I said, when
I started comedy, cat was about fifteen, sixteen years old.
I come from nineteen eighty five. Nobody was doing comedy
for me, right, that's burning back and over them. And
what happened to the business is that if you put
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up your money, nobody could be able to tell you
what to do with your money. I don't care if
you boss, you ain't gonna tell me what to do
with my bread. Yeah, I put up. So the comedy
game changed when comedians say, yo, don't put him on
the show. I bring my own people. And most comedians
did that so they wouldn't be in competition with a
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younger comic who might be funnier than them. So they
did that to protect themselves so they won't get booed.
So they won't get booed or they look bad. Now
I know how good I am. What comedy has led to.
I've been doing this so long that my style of
comedy has been manipulated, stamped on, Like if I was
selling the key and we put powder on that motherfucker,
you know what I'm saying, so you could stretch it.
(16:32):
So my style of comedy is so far gone that
comics when they do that style, they really think they
developed it. But I was actually the person that put
it together. And if anybody ever get to meet you,
ever get a chance to meet Bob Something, Tina Graham.
They was the two people that started Death Chair with
Russell Simmons, and they'll tell you that they built my
(16:55):
They built that show around T. K. Kirkland. That style
of raw and uncut was TK Kirkland and that's how
death Jam style, and that's how when you see them show,
it was crazy. It was, you know, on a whole
nother level. But I just never did death Jam. For
one for I did something else that did a special
(17:16):
on HBO or More Funny, and then I had a
situation later in line that I had it was a misunderstanding,
So I never did death Jam. But to still be
working at the so many people did death Jam. There's
still selling out around the world because I'm not just
doing America. You know, I'm doing Australia as you're paying London,
England and to sign one of the biggest deals with
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Live Nation with no movie probably no movie credits, no
TV credits. So they saw something to me that they
loved and we've been rolling ever since.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
How do you not take something like that person was
in your face over a course of decades, like yo,
that's is it like a flattery thing? Like yo, that's
that's that's me.
Speaker 3 (17:56):
I don't care, don't care. But like I said, I'm
not like all the other comments. And is that is
that a personality trait? That's just the think it's personality
house raised. You know, I came up with I come
up with the streets, so I don't come up with
the comedians. Yeah, I love them from a distance, they like,
you know, distant cousins, right, And when I see them,
I shake your hand and say hello. They'll compliment you
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like t K, I love you, love your style, And
I sit there and chill. But I don't. I don't
go to nobody's house. It ain't like we getting together
on It's just how I moved.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
So is that But does that be from a street
perspective or is that so you don't because you know
these dudes and you don't want to even get caught up.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
Into that you No, no, no, just I'm much older than everybody,
you know, I'm a senior citizen. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But but but it's still camaraderie amongst Nah, I just
I'm an introvert. Okay, so you so as a personality,
tr that's just naturally even if you weren't doing comedy,
you don't go to people houses, No, no, no.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
Do nothing. Okay. Yeah, yeah, that's how.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Because a lot of people, even in hip hop, in music,
it's like like you know, you have people like Riding
Rich was like a manti social and I know Roddy,
so I know that he likes to be He don't
want to be in the mix. He don't want to
go to people's power house parties, right right, type of stuff.
I don't do all that. Okay, So you don't do
all of the comingling during awards weekends.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Oh no, I ain't doing all that. But is that
because that's who you are you don't like the people? No,
it's because I've done all of that. See. I came
up through hip hop, don't you see? Most commedians came
up through comedy clubs. I came up through comedy clubs.
But then I was doing arenas for most comedians was
doing arenas. I was torn with n w A, I
was touring with jay Z the Cash twenty Millionaires Luke, Ludacris,
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everybody that was big. I was on their tour. So
I was doing twenty thirty thousand people at ninth and
you got to be good to do twenty thirty thousand
people at night tour with Nelly I did with everybody.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
What's the best part and the worst part about those experiences?
As far as being in front of those crowds.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
It was never the worst for me. It was great
as I felt that I was that man, yo, I
was really rocking arenas to be a comedians rocking arenas.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
So look, let me ask you this, because the Kings
of Comedy gets a lot of the credit for doing arenas. First, yes,
but what are you doing arenas before that?
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Okay? So I want you to listen to comprehend, not
listen to reply. Watch what I'm saying. I said I
was on hip hop tours, not comedy tours. The comedy
tours came because someone made a decision. They got some money,
They put this show together and they called it the
Kings of Comedy. What people don't know that it was
(20:45):
another It was the original Kings of Comedy was Jerry
Lewis and those guys back in the day. And my
man I forgot his name. Who was behind the Kings
of Comedy had to change something because the Kings of
Comedy was a whole group of the men. I think
it was in the forties and fifties, you know, So
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that's how that worked. But as far as stand up comedy,
I was doing tours with the rappers. Comedy was it's
just like politics. You know. Bernie Mack was good, yes,
but it's Bernie Mack the funniest because you had Robin Harris.
I mean, you had DL Hue, you got Martin Lawrence, right,
(21:26):
you got for every four of you had Chris Rock,
he had Chris Tucker. You had people who starved head.
Let's even go deeper. You had Keenan Ivy walliams Arsenior Hall. Right. See,
there's some names out there. So whoever projects what you
see you could. Once you get out there and you
can project what you want, people are run with it
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and won't even think about all these other people. They'll
think that's official. But imagine if it was like the
super Bowl. You had to go through the playoffs to
get to become the Kings of Comedy because you were
so good that the fans chose you to be in
that arena, right, that's different. This is hand picked. So
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they got the title Kings of Comedy. Is not to
take anything away from them comics, but in actuality, there
was a Keenan Ivy Wayams, there was a kid named
Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
So then do you think so because I noticed that
you have never self proclaimed yourself to be a goal,
You've never helped proclaim yourself to be a king of comedy,
do you feel like that's disrespectful to the people that
come before?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
No? No, no, I don't give a fuck. Yeah, I
mean I really don't. People take this stuff too seriously.
I just want to get the money. You're not tripping now,
I'm not tripping. You know. It's only titles and one
hundred years, all of us in this room, no matter
where we will be going, nobody is gonna care about
no titles.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Yeah, okay, now I get that. It's something I wanted
to add. Oh I wanted to I want to read
you something I saw you. It says sad to see
so many men and women give up on their dreams, hobbies,
passions and health just be because they are now in
a relationship. Stay on your path with or without a
woman or a man. I said what I said, that's right?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Yeah, I mean self explanatory. Do you so?
Speaker 2 (23:10):
Fuck whoever I'm getting. I gotta go and do what
I gotta do, because that's the attitude I have. But
I get a lot of flak for it. Like for instance,
between us, I'm there, he's married, the ring on his
fing with two kids, chose the.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
Family, like I don't have none of the above.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Yes, and because I'll choose to focus on this over here.
And I guess the question is is that is that
blanketed for everybody?
Speaker 3 (23:33):
Is that a statement for everybody? But you're a young man,
but you really know the answer already. And the answer
is is whatever you choose to do with your life.
Like he's married, that's what he wanted, he pursued that,
got married. Hopefully he's truely happy. He's done in the room.
When everybody's goes back mother crazy and you don't do it,
(23:58):
don't marry that bitch. Yeah we we ain't happy. And
it works for some people. But I think that you
gotta it all comes down to you gotta know who
you are? Would you He knows who he is absolutely,
That's why he's married, would you recommend marriage to me?
(24:18):
My question is I don't know you really well to
answer that question, we only met a couple of times. No,
marriage is good for some people because the reason why
I say you shouldn't get married again, you gotta know
who you are. Some people need to be with somebody.
I feel that some people don't want to be alone.
Some people don't know how to beat themselves. Some people
don't know how to keep their house clean. Some people
don't know how to pay their bills. Like sometimes a woman
(24:40):
can come in I got home and and help you,
like when I'm out. Sometimes I'm all over the world
I see men women shopping for their man and putting
it up to them like you're like a child, and
that ship I be wanting to punch him. I want
to be I want to go up and punch him
in his face, because that's not a man. Your wife
(25:02):
telling you to turn around, and you go in the
dressing room, you come out, you posing for She's like, yeah,
that's nice. Try on this right here. Tell the sales
of woman old man. Get the other shirt we was
looking at. That drives me.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
So what have you ever been at the gas station?
And saw a woman pumping the gas and sit in
the car.
Speaker 3 (25:26):
Listen to me, fan trigger right. I was in New York.
You know, I'm pulling up in the whip and I
see this fine I'm talking about She was fine, dog.
I'm gonna repeat it. She was fine. So I'm the
kind of guy if I'm feeling you, I might pay
for your gas. I'm the kind of guy. We at
(25:46):
a restaurant, I might pay You could be a group
of women. I'll tell the way to come over here.
I'm going to pay their bill. And when the girl
says who paid for just give him a number. I
do that kind of stuff. Yeah, we all know this
is in my DNA. And I'm going to go pay
this girl's gas. And I'm walking up excuse me, sister,
And I saw the dude leaning back like this Jackson,
(26:13):
and I saw the phone. I'm like, yo, it's it's
a man in the car. I busted you turn and
walked back to my car, And as I pulled up
to her, I said, baby, you should never let know
you should never be pumping the gas and a man
sitting in the car. That hurt me, yo. And then
I started seeing it more and more and more. And
(26:33):
I always tell men, you gotta know how to be
a gas ferry. You know, you know what the gas
fer is like if you ain't got a car and
your girl driving said baby pulled over and it takes
eating at me, park at me, let me before your
gas take you know, take her to go get a
car washed in detail if it's dirty. You know, I said,
come on, we're gonna go get your car washed. And
(26:55):
you know, especially if you ain't got a car, you
gotta show a woman that you're there not trying to
take advantage. And it don't cost much. Twenty thirty forty
dollars to make a woman Happy's some of the fly
stuff you can do in your life.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
I respect that. I'm the same way I move like that.
I just don't believe in other certain things.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
But I definitely And what don't you believe in like
opening the car door? Now, if you're going to be
my friend, if you ever want me to do another
interview with let him know. You've got to start opening
a woman's door. Come on now, like come on, family,
put it like this. One day you might have a child,
(27:34):
a girl, and you're gonna want that man to treat
her with the utmost respect that a man can do.
And when you don't, you're gonna be You're gonna have
to confront like, yo, my man, like what you're doing.
Let's take your mom. I heard you talking about your mom.
Imagine someone was disrespecting your mother. I don't think it's disrespect. No, No,
imagine now, I said, Imagine, yeah, Imagine somebody's not your
(27:58):
mom is good to do, and to do it ain't
opening the door. Imagine a man coming over your house
and your mom's cooking for them all the time. Imagine
your mom buying all the groceries and he coming there
eating up all the bacon, you know, all the camels, sammonichs,
me balogne and cheese, eating up all the several lee bread.
(28:18):
And you're hearing your mom complaining, you know, Steve, don't
bring nothing over, you know, and you're looking at her like, well,
that's why he's supposed to supposed to use you, supposed
you know, you let him in here. You wouldn't want
that to happen. Dog. But and so that means you
are lacking a few things in life. And and right now,
(28:40):
when we walked in, it was a tense star to
make I got to take take a play card away
and revoked right now? Yeah, at least three or four. Ye,
you're a nice guy. You can't move like that through life.
And I'm not saying let the woman take advantage of you.
I'm saying, you know who to do that for and
(29:01):
who so you shouldn't even know I was. But you
should even go out with the person unless you want
to do those things my discernment, right, I have to
use discernment. Yeah, you got to be a man at
all times. Have you have you ever found because I
I won one hundred agree with you?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
By the way, have you ever found yourself being taken
advantage of the Bible?
Speaker 3 (29:18):
I think we all get taken advantage of Right, what
was that like? But here's the thing, let me explain that.
See when before you got your your whip, you had
probably another car. But when you got money, you got
your tesla? Right you got yo? Oh, I'm doing good.
You know you you're able to try out out of
the country and get vitamins that you normally couldn't get locally.
(29:39):
And my right, you can only do that with yeah, yeah,
you can only do you can only do that with money.
Money brings you the best women in the world. Dog
money brings you the best p U S s y
in the world. So when men are saying, oh, she's
a gold digger, Noah, it's just that your money has
put you in a a position a better company. Money
(30:03):
has put you in a better position of quality conversation. Now,
it doesn't mean that that person is not trained the
same way you are, meaning that person could be after you.
That's when you got to be mature and understand where
there's mind feels. Because there's some women you can mess with.
It could be all gained right, So you take your time,
(30:25):
you enjoy yourself. Especially when you guys are young, you
don't have enough experience in life to really know what
kind of woman to be with. So you guys get
want to fall in love at twenty something years old
and you haven't dated nobody, you haven't been through nothing
to say. Out of all the people I rocked with
(30:45):
this sister one, you said something really really important.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I think it's a true sessiment that for me getting
married early too, it's like I wanted to build with somebody,
yes saying and get with somebody. I'm not gonna say early,
but like a better times than how old I am. Right,
I wanted to build with someone right, have somebody kind
of be a part of my empire, you know what
I mean? For me, that was my head, my mind
set in times of like why I decided.
Speaker 3 (31:09):
And it's deeper than that too. You probably couldn't have
pulled nobody else. And at that time, that was the
right girl. Like, man, I know, I don't nobody can
find another one like this, right because some guys don't
have that swag. Some people don't like chasing women and
calling them all the time. So when you get that
first woman to like you and she's fine, you want
to knock it down fast because some men don't move
(31:32):
like that, you know. Like one of my homies told
me years ago, this is how I got that line,
he said, TK. He said, every time I see you,
always have a bad woman on you. And I always said,
I always keep a bad bitch breathing on me. You
know what I'm saying. So I talked to my high
school coach not too long ago. I was fourteen, and
(31:52):
all they had afraid of a track reunion, and he said,
all the guys that was there was talking about Kirkland.
They said, one thing about Kirkland. He always had fine women.
This was in high school. This is nineteen seventy six,
nineteen seventy seven. So I always had beautiful women. But
then as you go through life, you want them to
(32:13):
be a tractor. But then you start thinking about character.
He want them to be beautiful and character. But then
you want them to have something going for themselves, right,
and maybe once in the blue moon you find someone
that doesn't have none of that, but you have the
ability to make them an asset. See, they may not
(32:34):
be an asset, but if you lack a person that
much you make them, it could happen. Do you see
yourself getting married and nope, OK, tell me why not.
Well I'm sixty three, about to be sixty four, so
it doesn't make sense to get married. But I'll buy
a woman a ring, you know, I'll put a ring
on you let you know I care. I respect you.
(32:56):
And because when another man, a strong man, sees a
on a woman's finger, he'll respect her because that shows
a bond, you know. So if a woman is in
my life and she meets someone, I said, don't never
tell no man you love me. She said, what do
you mean. That's it? Never tell no man you love me.
Don't even tell a man you got a man. If
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a guy rolls up on you and he's talking to you,
and you really respect me to say, just say I'm
holding it down for someone already. See, because holding it
down is different. It has a different reaction to the mind.
Because when women have said I love my man, I'll
have a boyfriend so much it holds no weight, and
men look right past that. I don't care. Now I'm
(33:40):
gonna go right. But if you say you holding it
down for someone, you got it on lock. And that
guy who, if he's a man, he understands that, I'm
gonna use that. Yeah, you should dropping the game. You
know what I'm saying. You know you're talking to kid,
that's that's right. Yeah, you don't tell nobody you love
me telling you holding it down for me? Now you
(34:02):
did something you talked about earlier. Fatherhood.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
I wanted this is my last question as far as
fatherhood for just generic, just generally for fathers, not the
ones with bad baby mamas or anything like that. Just
as a father, what dad advice would you give to
other fathers out there?
Speaker 3 (34:17):
Just in general? That you have to understand life. One.
You got to know that sex makes babies, not love. Fact. Right,
So if you have sex and you have a child,
you may not have the bond that you want with
that child the way you had love with another family.
And when you have those two different entities going on,
(34:38):
you don't make the same type of commitment to a
child that you had sex with a mama because there
was no real there was no bond either. Live in
the house. Think about it. You have a woman has
your child. You never met a mother, never been to
their house, never met their dad, never met their brothers
and sisters, never been to none of the things for
growth to have roots in the ground. But then if
(34:59):
you had a strong relationship, not even married, yo, lived together,
had a baby, he was in a home for years,
and if you separate it, there's still a bond there
to I want to do right. But then you got
some men who are weak who will say because I'm
not with you, I'm not taking care of the kid.
That's something that's some trauma from something else. And there
(35:21):
are men out there that to do that, to use
that against the female. They'll say, unless I'm with you,
I'm not gonna take care of my child. Then you
got some women who will have a baby and say
I don't need nothing from you. I could take care
of the kid by myself. So there's all different lanes
to this. You know, you have to choose the character
(35:44):
of woman the most important part, right because once you
have a child and the man or woman bring you
confusion and pain, that's eighteen years of a life sentence.
That's how I look at minimums. Eighteen years. It's a
life sentence of pain and confusion. Maybe child support court,
someone talking bad about you. Someone you're taking care of
(36:07):
your kid, but she's a money hungry person and she's
telling up if you don't take care of your kid.
So that gets into the streets and it's like, oh,
you don't take care of your kid, but you know
you taking care of your kid. And then you got
women who have a child but they don't have no money.
Say he was looking you for the bank. So here's
two broke mothers and fathers having a child. But the
(36:28):
woman is saying, oh, you ain't nothing because you don't
have your money. But baby, you know I come from
poverty too. We saw each other, we had a drink.
You had on them jeans and you had your Cleveland child,
and you know I gave you a PDD a proper
Dictum he real me and we had this child. And
(36:48):
now we as adults, we have to try to do right.
So during this journey, I'm gonna get my life together.
You're gonna get your life together. And I want women
to understand too. If you got a baby father who
it's probably struggling now life. Eventually that man is working hard.
Eventually he will become a better man and be a
great father. And now ten fifteen years later he has
(37:12):
the money, and them tables do turn. You could be
struggling and now he got the kid and he turned
out to be a great man. So be mindful because
them tables can turn.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
This is my last thing. Is you gotta go? In
hip hop? I remember asking uh partisan Fontaine. He's an
artist from New York, from the East Coast. Yes, he
writes a lot. He wrote a lot of the Cardi
b first album. And I asked him about being could
you be a gut considered a goat in rap?
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Don't write your wraps like Drake is accused of and
stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The same question goes for comedy. You have a lot
of people who have writers. Yes, you have people who
either contribute to someone's comedy and they do these big
tours and big whatever the case may be. Can you
be a goat or a legend in comedy if you
don't write every.
Speaker 3 (38:00):
Word amongst other writers?
Speaker 2 (38:04):
If you're the stand up, we're the writers and we
write for you. Yes, can you be a goat?
Speaker 3 (38:09):
Yeah? Because you still have to have the ability to
tell the joke. Okay, because somebody can write a joke,
and if you don't know how to tell the joke,
the joke doesn't fly. I get you. It's like a
person that you can write a song for. If that
person don't sing it right, it's not a hit. It
sounds good. But I'm gonna take this to Luther. Yeah,
I feel that, and Luther gonna blow this thing out
the water. You understand, So same with I get people. Lately,
(38:32):
I've been asking people have been asking me that write
for me. But my jokes is just so pure and honest,
and you got to be able to feel. You can't
write what I feel. Have you ever written for other comedians? No? No, no, no,
you would never even do. I would never even do that.
Is that integrity or is that because of the craft
or what? Why is that? I just don't care about that.
(38:53):
I feel when I really like, I really wish people
didn't take entertainment so serious. It's like it's just too much, man,
because at the end of the day, when it's all over, Yo,
all you got is things. All you got is just
I don't even think you think about it when you're
(39:14):
about to leave here. I think that when you go
through all this, that you go through the houses, the cars,
the women on your last days, that don't even cross
your mind. I think you just be thinking about survival.
And so the gold is just to live and enjoy it.
So if you do, if you are capable remembering things,
(39:38):
you could say, Yo, it's cool. I had a ball.
You know. The thing that I found in life is Alzheimer's.
That's all Zheimer's, Allzheimer's, Azeimer's. But I think it's Azimer's,
all Zheimer's all Zheimer's, Okay, good Alzheimer's. That it's amazing
that a white person can have Alzheimer's and still know
(39:59):
they don't like black people. Memories there interesting, Yeah, that's crazy, right,
Just like just like when people say they're crazy. I said,
everybody's not crazy. And so what do you mean. I said,
if you put a person in the middle of a
highway and tell them walk over there and get a
(40:19):
sandwich and they see cars coming, I bet you they stop.
I bet they're not crazy because you knew to stop.
See t K's mental health facility.
Speaker 2 (40:35):
Everybody he really crazy because he's fla right exactly.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
Put him on the street, and I guarantee you, say,
I guarantee you they stop. So if they keep walking,
they're crazy. They're crazy. If you see him over in there,
that's one crazy for the recond before we get killed.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
In the comments all timers, all all zime, Alzheimer's, Timer's,
Timer's Alzheimer, Himer's Alzheimer's, because I say all timers.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, I said the same I said the same thing
until you just set up like wait, I say Alzheimer's.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I think it's get us, get us, get timers. Timer.
I want to say it right, Okay, Allhimer's Okay, Alzheimer's.
Oh that's okay. I'm just lexing. So it's good that
I saw it that way. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna take
a picture of that. Yeah, because I like to know
(41:32):
you can't say things right.
Speaker 1 (41:33):
You can say you can say a gang and ship,
but if you saying it the wrong way, nobody's gonna
take you serious.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Nosna take you seriously, because every now and then on
my interviews, I might say one thing wrong and kill
you or you can get something, and people think that
you have this brain that you cannot make a mistakes.
Just like when conversation you can say something like, oh no,
that's what I meant and go on. You know what
the person met on these interviews, they will you on
(42:00):
you bro. You know. So the thing about the Cat
Williams inter be to all the stuff he said was phenomenal.
All I said to people was I want to race
Cat in a forty yard dash. You think you beat him?
I could beat him, you for sure. I'm positive. I
put twenty thousand on it. He did. He did a
four to four. It was not a real Now, I
want you to think about that. And but Cat also
(42:23):
younger too, is fifty Okay, all right, so I want
you to before we go, and I love Cat. I'm
just really making fun of this. Gotcha. Deon Sanders ran
a full one in his prime, and what that consideration,
and to be honest, the full one, a full one.
(42:43):
It is prime, prime time. Yo, cat ran a full
four in sweats that they said he ran and he
is fifty. Now the math ain't mathew, right. So my
point that I'm making if we did run, and to
all the fans that's listening, if you cut this out
and edit it, please make sure you put the part in.
(43:06):
I'm saying this is all fun because I like to
make some stuff fun. I'm not saying we're gonna run
a fast time. I'm not. We ain't gonna In fact,
we ain't gonna be nowhere in the sixth right right.
Just to be clear, Yo, we're gonna run a forty
your dads and about eight point one. Let's be clear
(43:26):
for people who understand eight point one and a forty slow.
But I know I can get him now. I don't
know what's going to results afterwards. I don't know I'm
gonna have to go to the hospital. I'm gonna get him,
though you care. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know
what we've done, what the results are when we're finished.
But I got a feeling I might have to go
(43:47):
man to the to the urgent care. After I gotta
feel winner. But I'm gonna win it though with my
twenty thousand. I feel you and thank you guys so much.
Appreciate you guys, yo, And we're gonna do this next year.
You know, I always come once a year, so I'll
(44:08):
be back again next year. I won't be doing comedy
here for two years. Really here after this week, I
worked so much and had so much fun. I really,
I say, I have this rule that I really want
people to miss you. You gotta be missed. So I
come up with the princes and the Michael Jackson's right,
and when they did events, they would do an album.
They're rocket for years. They've been gone four or five
(44:32):
years before you see them again.
Speaker 1 (44:34):
So how do you implement social media with that? Whereas
today we see everything about you in your life.
Speaker 3 (44:39):
Well that's differing a stand up. See now, I found
my niche in my ig. So I take my thoughts
and I get up like two or three o'clock in
the morning, and I start thinking, and I'm like, what
do I want to put into the universe today? And
I put my post together and I put it out
and then it takes off. It's like it's been. It's been.
(45:03):
What I've done lately is just really done well. And
if people hopped on to it, and it just to
give people early the money something to think about, you know,
like today about not giving up your dreams and somebody
somewhere said I'm not giving up my dreams, or someoney
somewhere say, baby, we're gonna work this together. And what
I want to tell men and women have your own constitution.
(45:25):
We forget what's going on in the world where other
people tell you. If you and the girl can have
an understanding about what you want in your world, that's
how you win. It's it's a contract between both of y'all.
But you got to make sure both people understand how
to comprehend and clearly understand the story. Because you ever
(45:47):
sat in the room and everybody walked out of there
with different thoughts of what they what was saying, that's crazy,
like we always in the same room you heard that,
or you watch a video and everybody so different, it's insane.
So you got to make sure you're clear in the conversation, right,
So to go back then, and I'd like to do inconclusion,
(46:10):
the go over south. Make sure you talk to someone
if you have a problem. Always speak to to the
people that understand coming. When someone steals a joke, it's
not their set. A joke is to maybe a minute, minute,
thirty seconds. A set is an hour, you know. Now,
if someone steals someone set, I think you should get upset.
If someone takes one minute of your your set, that's dumb.
(46:34):
It's like you got a thousand dollars in the bank
and someone took a hundred dollars. You ain't gonna get
rid of that nine hundred and ninety nine. I mean,
at nine hundred dollars, you're gonna hold on to it, right,
same thing with life. I feel that I respect you
so much, man, one of my favorite I want you
to for me being black. I want you to make
(46:55):
me number one. Okay, I'm gonna tell you why I
want you to do that. We are in the world
that as African Americans, we have to stick together in
so many ways. Just like we all know Eminem was
really probably one of the greatest rappers around, and but
in the hip hop world, they won't consider that is
because he's white. Yes, so only blacks are the only
(47:19):
people that give people a pass when we do the Oscars,
and you see Samuel Jackson outshining my man in pulp fiction?
What was his name? John Volta? You think they gave
Samuel Jackson the award? When you see Ike continue to
turn in the movie and what's my man from that?
(47:41):
Played Ike lawns Fisburgh. He got an oscar. See, we're
the only ones that give people a pass. I feel
the only ones, yo, We're the only ones to get people.
I feel that. And what we have to start doing
is representing our own When I hear problems about Black
lives matter, and I'm in different parts of the world,
(48:03):
and when they was in the in the in the
news and how they was misusing money, and I bring
up Jerry Lewis and he said, what do you mean?
I said, Jerry Lewis America all the way till he died,
and so what it means? I said. Jerry Lewis did
a telethog called Muscular Discover. He had all the celebrities
on the phone. They'll be in the back and he'll
(48:24):
tell you right now, we just we fine hundred thousand
and people clapping, and them people when you saw the videos,
them people when he died, still had them problems. He
didn't cure nobody, so as we have to start thinking.
Give me an example. Every holiday on Saint Patrick's they
black stress up and put green on like the Irish.
(48:48):
Have you ever seen a white person do that? For
Black History Month? We're afro and a dashiki with an
Afro pick in the hand. The single demaya we get
we party for single demid mile different no disrespective Spanish,
but you don't see nobody doing that for hours. We
(49:10):
have to start, and that really mean is we have
to start understanding what we say and do. We got
to understand it because it's power, you know, it's power,
and that's something that we have to take the consideration.
Even though somebody is really good and I'm not racist,
Let's make sure we're clear. I just want us to
protect our own just a little bit more. And if
(49:32):
we protect our own just a little bit more, we'll
start having respect for each other. And it starts with
one and it spreads, you know, like some women that
I meet, I tell them don't use profanity and the
girls say, oh TK, and some who I am And
I convinced them eventually to stop, And I said, it's
not that I don't want you to curse. I said,
I want you to curse when you're really upset. That
(49:55):
way people know you're really mad. And then when you
have girlfriends starts ain't around them. I'm gonna stop using
profanity because most of the women I know are beautiful,
and I say to them, somebody's watching you and they're
looking up to you. So if you start saying I'm
not gonna curse the one, they're gonna start saying. You know,
I ain't gonna curse no more. You gotta be the change. Yeah,
(50:15):
you gotta be the change because women don't know that
when they use profanity, they lose value. Damn, they lose
value because if a man is a real man, you're
not bringing no woman around your mother that used profanity
your grandmother. Let's say you meet a girl and you
got kids. You don't want that kind of girl around
your daughter or your son using all type of fews
(50:40):
and kiss my ass. H. I guess where's the respect?
You have to have a level of respect so high
that people don't even play games like you still have fun,
but that joking on each other aventure of that least
to somebody getting mad eventually because you're joking too much.
I feel that, you know, yeah, you're joking too much.
(51:03):
You got it here. Respect Gary, We're losing it. The
respect thing is being lost on soul many levels, you know.
And when you think when the post that I talked
about yesterday about how men are working twenty times harder
than their grandfather's for a woman who's verse twenty times
in their grandmother, and no one understood what I meant
(51:24):
and what I meant by that is back in the sixties,
I saw women coming up wanting to be independent. They cooked,
they took care of their husbands. And now today women
are twerking their half neckd going through the mall. And
when you talk to them, they'll say, you can't tell
me what to do. Says there's no leadership, there's no guidance, right,
(51:46):
and then you got men who don't know how to guide.
So it's ah messed up. Now it's all disarrayed. This
is this is this what I see. I don't see
no coming back.
Speaker 1 (51:58):
I want I want you for the folks that we'll
see you or we'll see this in real time. You know,
how can they catch you what's coming up? You know
where they canna actually check you out.
Speaker 3 (52:06):
Live absolutely, tick us go and sale. Next month, my
Live Nation tour called catch Me if you Can, that's
what we call on it. We're gonna be everywhere. We're
doing forty three cities. The thing I liked about Live
Nation is that they understood my strategy because most of
the time you go on tour, they'll put you in
three different cities in the same weekend. And I explain
(52:29):
to them that we have to do one weekend and
in some cities we'll do two or three. Because I
know my age and I don't ever want to be
that guy that yo you heard about me pasted and
I was in a hotel and I was tired and
I didn't wake up. But I don't want to be
that dude. So I work out, I take care of
my body, and I want to have that week to rest,
(52:50):
see my grandkids, to be my children a little bit more,
Still work out, still have sex a little bit if
I want to, you know what I mean, because I
don't want to have to do that, have sex, see
the grandkids, go see my children, then to wear your
body out. But if I do it that way, guess what,
everything's smooth or I can lay up with my girl
a little champagne on the balcony of the beach, knowing
(53:12):
that I'll be in Hawaii or somewhere next week. But
I'm gonna have to rush to do it. I could
take the time, haircut, manicure, predicaure, get the massage, you know,
play your shit. You know what I'm saying. So I
don't want to thank them and the dealers for ten years.
But I'm not gonna do ten years. And ten years
I'll be seventy four years old. That ain't happening. So
but who knows. I could probably pull it off. I
(53:34):
could probably pull it off. But I just want people
to really sit back and learn from me and know
that everything I say is genuine and I want the
best for everybody in life and I really, I truly,
really mean that. And avoid the pitfalls of life. Don't
(53:54):
get caught up in the he said, she said, don't
run and clicks. Don't be the person of don't be
the messenger. A lot of people understand about the messenger.
Giving example is on time when I meet women, and
because a basketball football player would get a bad rep
because if your girlfriend's with you, your girl will say girl,
(54:16):
you know he got women everywhere, and that devalues the
guy and the girl starts to believe in her girlfriend.
But what they're actually saying is, bitch, ain't no way
he choosing you. Ain't no way you can pull him.
They hating on the low because what a female good
(54:38):
friends should say. Girl, you might be the one. You
should make sure you handle that because you know other
women like him down gon't get that. But most women
are semi sublimely hating on their friend. Or someone says
something bad about you, and that person knows gonna make
you mad, and they come back to your homeboy was
(55:00):
talking about you. Let me tell you what he said.
You're just as bad as the person that said it.
So don't be the messenger. Don't be the messenger unless
somebody's life is in danger. Other than that, keep it
to yourself. But people will literally come back the gossip
to say your home. You know you you, You're putting
the same energy in that message the same way they did,
(55:20):
and maybe a little bit more more, definitely a little
bit more, and it's gonna mess up your days. And
now you all motion for no reason? Right T K.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
Kirkling, Hey man, play a legend. I just appreciate you.
So you know when you do come back, we're gonna
have another.
Speaker 3 (55:40):
I love it because I can see it in his eyes.
I'm calculating fun, taking everything, but he want to get
them points back. You moving from this right, You're gonna
do the right thing. Trust me on it, Trust me
and get the girl's car washed. I listen, Yeah, you
(56:01):
fucking me up. Okay, there you go. Do that, Just
hold on, do that. You know here's I'm gonna put
your luf on. If you got the girl live in
your area and you know a person that does car detailing,
don't even tell her you know a schedule. Had the
person go to the car, send him a picture of
the car and said, yo, just get out there in
(56:23):
the morning and start watching out. Want your detail? It
really good on the outside. She gonna come out. What's
going on? Oh? Your so and so told me to
detail your car. She's gonna go this is that such good?
That's so sweet?
Speaker 2 (56:42):
Bro, Listen, I have I don't want to make you.
I don't want to be more related to you. Yes,
we're gonna be all right, but listen, thank you. Oh yes,
time to go, thank you.
Speaker 3 (56:51):
We're good, Thank you, I said, you wrote them notes
down I was taking note. J head T. Thank you guys.
Follow me on t K, Underscore, Kirkland, make sure you
follow me, make sure you listen and comment, and if
you do follow me, just know that you are the
(57:11):
zero point zero one percent that has completed something that
they started. Damn. Thank you, broking ladies and gentlemen,
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