December 22, 2018 • 53 mins
Joe Lisi, Rich Cirminiello, Gabe Morency and Marshall Faulk examine more of this week's college games including the Hawaii Bowl and the Armed Forces Bowl. They provide their expectations and storylines to watch for each game. #FNTSY #FNTSYRadio #NCAA #CollegeFootball #FantasyCollegeFootball #HawaiiBowl #ArmedForcesBowl
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All our work. Let's go work college football today. An
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hour away from the start of this summer twenty second
Bowl Action Wake Forest in Memphis, kick it off in
about an hour. We're just talking about the Enforces Bowl.
If you in an Army and I brought it up
to Rich in the break about Army's defensive coordinator Jay Bateman,
that that was hired by Matt Brown from North Carolina
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will not coaching this ball game. How big of a
factor is that in terms of the defense? Yeah, I
mean again A Gabe talked about it. Sometimes you just
don't know, I mean, we don't know what the difference
is gonna be. Bateman did a phenomenal job this year, right,
seventeen points per game. A lot of that had to
do with the offense. I don't want to take anything
away from the Army defenders or Jay Bateman, but a
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big reason why they give up seventeen points per game
is the fact that they weren't on the field that often.
You know, the offense led the country in time of
possession thirty eight minutes per games. That's twenty two minutes
on defense, far less than a lot of defenses around
the country. I just told you my thought, you have
a you have a new defensive coordinator coming up Houston.
They have no they have no tendencies that go off
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of I mean that they have no idea when they
take the field what they're gonna do. So they're gonna
they're gonna spend the first quarter, maybe the first half, determining, okay,
if we get the ball. Let's say we running back,
we get the ball on our fifty game is based
on tendency, you know. And I've said this as well,
and I wanted to get your take. Coordinators are like
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pictures of quarterbacks. They gotta get into a rhythm play call,
and they gotta understand. Even though that coach was on
staff It's one thing to be a position coach. It's
another thing now to be the guy making all the
calls and the way Bateman might want to utilize the offense.
He might have been more or less aggressive than now
his predecessor, so you might get a different type of
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offense or a different type of result from that defensive unit.
You hide things, you know, you you run certain things
because you have to run them. It's like, okay, why
why they always roll into the right. Well, your right
tackle might be bad, so you roll to the right
just to help him out. Certain things you do in
football for a reason. I mean, it's like there's a
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reason why you do them because you're weak or you're
trying to hide something and you want to take a
weakness and use it as a straight So it'll be
interesting to see. I I always I always like that
when when someone else different called the play or gave
a play or did something and we got off script
because teams were like, wow, that that's different. Yeah, it
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couldn't affect the continuity now from the defensive unit game.
You have any concerns with defensive coordinator being now, maybe
the totals of playing this matchup, No, I don't all
count on especially you know, I wouldn't some circumstances, but
not with a military academy. I think everybody knows their assignments.
That it's sort of next coach op so to speak. Yeah,
we'll see. I mean it's something to think about because
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many Diaz is out now for Miami. Now I don't
think he'll coach in the Pinstripe Bowl. So to get
see how these coordinators short manipulate the talent or or
play calling ball games will be Uh, should you be
forced to stay? I mean it's getting forced No, I agree,
it's getting ridiculous now Now coaches are leaving. Players don't play.
I understand the player, but as a coach, I think
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you should coach. I understand as a coach. How much
of an impact is recruiting though we now have early
signing period, which we talked about you and I talked
about a few weeks ago now December nineteenth, with a
signing period. If you're leaving a program, that new program,
how do these guys look anyone? How do they look
themselves in the mirror? Anyone that takes anyone serious, like
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Urban Meyer is going to be coaching a leadership course
at how the state, Like, does he have any sense
of self awareness? Like these coaches will preach, So, Jimbo Fisher,
what we're family, We're gonna preach this. The guy didn't
even stay in the last game and am so whatever
thing you said is full of crap. It meant nothing.
So like it's all lip service, It means nothing, because
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the only thing that matters is the almighty dollar. We
know that. I mean, kids are picking up on that,
and I think that's a big reason why we gradually
see more and more kids skipping Bowl games because I
think they they are no longer living in that frost.
And now, you know what, it's the media's fault as well.
It's tough fault, not me because I'm one of the
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only people actually call these people out. But you know,
Scott Frost a great guy. You're a great guy. So
it Scott Frost leaves for Nebraska, right and everyone says, well,
you have to understand it's his dream job. Okay, so
how about the quarterback? How about the milk kid says,
you know what, I love it here, but you know what,
my dream has always been with the USC Trojan quarterbacks.
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So I'm gonna leave now, good luck with your program. Guys. Sorry,
I love you and you're my family, but I'm gonna
go to USC. Now. It's garbage, all right, But it's not.
It's not the coach's fault. It's the n C double
A because if then the coach can say, listen, I'll
go to the school, but I'm gonna coach this game,
and I oh, I'm gonna finish the season. I think
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what you're talking about is the bigger problem, and it's
it's you know, if you think about it. And I
don't want to say I hate the n C two A.
I just hate some of the some of the things
and some of the rules that they have. Yes, coaches
can leave any time mid season, do whatever. But as
a player, you looked like you're you're stuck. You have
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to like, hey, I gotta foul, I gotta I gotta
ask for for for good grace to like go to
another school if they have too many guys at my position,
because it's gonna stop me from making money in the future.
Just like if the coach don't leave, it's like played
by the same rule. If you're gonna ask the player
or the athlete to do it, asked the coach, tell
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him the coach, I don't know your contract, and if
you want to negotiate with him, wait till he's done.
Because if you, if you've been through the recruiting process,
when that coach, whoever that coach is, that's recruiting you,
when you sit down and talk to your family, they're
telling their family how they're going to mold you, how
they're gonna grow you, how they're gonna take care of you.
And so now you're leaving. I mean, I I don't
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even I don't get that. Yeah, the n C double
A needs to do something, and they cannot have a
double edged sword where they old kids out from playing
and have to appeal through a court process. I mean,
just let the kids go if the kid wants to
go and eat them. Going about how about schools having
the ability to block like sabing what programs kids could
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trans to me is one of the most draconian measures.
Did you read the story? Did you guys read a
story about Bill Snyder not giving rings to kids? Yeah?
Like really, you know, you don't get it. He decides
who gets a ball ring or not. I'm gonna let
you know where you can transfers. Thanks thanks, thanks, Yes, Boss,
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that's funny because the Yukon basketball team is actually in
and in our building today. I just saw them boarding outside.
They're playing at MSG across the Strait. When Yukon won
a national championship in basketball, Calhoun and the coaching staff
all got championship diamond rings. Jim Nets for one reason
or another got a championship ring. I don't know why.
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Jim Calhoun tight Wood Nats hooked him put a ring.
The kids got two hundred replicas. Yeah, but the reason
this is replicas. There's a rule. So they basically write
a rule that we must steal, rob and screw every
kid possible. That you earned the ring, you won the money,
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you you made the money for the coach. You earned
the ring, and they don't trust you enough to give
you a rank. Is what You're gonna go to Rick's
pawnshop down in Vegas and sell it. But that's the
bigger it comes that it comes helps your family. You
earned it exactly, you helped earn it. But the n
C double as making billions of dollars for TV contracts
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each and every year. The bull comes making the money
off the kids it's not the contract. And you know
what the reason say, the problem it net works for
every bit as they are complacent. The networks are only
doing what what? What's what's there for them to do
in the stance because the E two A they package it.
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But everything can be cleaned up. We'll somebody's going to
take it. Everything could be cleaned up in society here.
A great example is like the Tour de France. Alright,
totally corrupt, man, everybody's jew stop, not just Lance Armstrong.
German television told them we're not gonna air this, Like
if you don't clean your sport up in the next
two years, we're not putting it on TV. Like the
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German government basically stated, you're a disgrace to sport. We're
not gonna put it on TV. They have to sort
of clean it up. That's almost laughable here, right, I mean, well,
it's it's like you look at the ESPNS in the world.
They'll do a report ripping a player and then they'll
you know, like Greg Hardy, Greg Hardy, he's in the UFC,
it's terrible. Should he be back? And then they'll be
an add ten minutes later, Dona, then don't miss greg
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Cardis debut on ESPN Janus. There it's they're they're hypocrites,
the art of entertainment things. Just just think about it.
It has nothing to do with with with with any
of that. What Why did the tour to Friends allow?
With the go on? Because okay, time's got better, records
started getting broken against what people are watching? Money? Why
why do why did? Why did baseball? Why did? Why
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did they used to be saball? Hey? Home runs? People
start watching? In football? Why why? Why? Now you can't
touch the quarterback. Let's have the quarterback, let's leave him alone.
Let's make it so where you can't score. Let's you
know what, rams get that sales people are gonna watch
allege football never be fixed. We want. They're not. They're
gonna change anything because I don't have to. They don't exactly,
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they don't have to. They don't have to. I think
it's heading in the right direction, though, because I think
athletes are beginning to realize that they I think we're
gonna see a day in the not too distant future
where you're gonna get almost Northwestern sort of was on
the fringe of that money. I'm not saying that we're there,
but I think we're heading. The kids are beginning to
realize they have a tremendous amount of leverage and power.
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Here's yes, I think they do, because in the football
they don't. How about this not in football, Rich, I
was gonna say, listen, in football, you're screwed. Here's no
other league. I'll tell you right now. If I was
a basketball player, there's not a hope in hell that
I would play for any And I'm a big Michigan fan.
I love be Line. I'm going to China to make
three million dollars a year and to learn how to
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play the pro game. Tell me, oh no, well, it's
gonna hurt your draft stock. Tell that to Manuel Movie
they got drafted fifth overall. F you you just want
me to go to He's fine, you see when you're Marshall,
But there's no choice. You're screw you gott to join
the Sister's changing now. But the difference. It will be
interesting to see where these new leagues, with these new leagues,
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these spring leagues that come up, Alliance League, they decide
to do what they decided to do. Are they gonna
allow kids to come out of high school and learn
how to play the pro game. That's we're going to
see what happens with that. And to Marshall's point too,
I mean when you have a college basketball team twelve
players on a team, now you have a college football
team a hundred and a hundred fifteen players. It's a
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it's a lot different where you know, if you're a
kid and you can go anywhere you want because it's
a smaller game, it's a smaller amount of players in
the mix of college football. I don't want to say
it's diluted, but there's a multitude of players. It's diluted,
but there's only about there used to be. How many
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there used to be. There's college football players and it's
six thousand basketball players. There's a less of a handful
of football percentage I'm making to the pros as opposed
to let me make one point. I'm gonna predict I
know you're gonna discage. Everybody's gonna disagree with me. I'm
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gonna predict that the kids, at one point in the
next maybe decade, you're gonna have a playoff team that's
gonna bandy together quietly and say we're not coming out
not a hopeing hell. I think it have not a
hope in hell. And I guess also, yeah, there's I
guess that Marshally wouldn't know. I guess the NFL players
associated gonna come together in the next collect party and
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really show everyone right now, whatooball players are worried about themselves?
All right? Doesn't what could what could? What could happen?
Is um, there's going to eventually, like there's a humanion,
be a union by athletes. There should be that could happen,
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and and and and I've proposed this and they don't like.
I get what the n C two A is saying
we can't pay athletes. I get it. And it's not
that they can't pay, it's it's what do you say
to a Division two, Division three? What do you pay them?
Because once you pay D one, you gotta pay everybody.
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What do you pay and what do you pay in
the cross team? Right? What you what do you pay
the long snappers? The starting quarter? Exactly? Now, this is
what I told him. I said, all right, let's scrap,
let's scrap paying them. Allowed to college athletes who can
use their name, just just amount of time to offer
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for my usually if if okay, if I'm if I'm too,
I'm the star, and somebody want to come pay me
to sign autographs, so to make it, let me make
money off my name. I don't want you to pay me.
So now the athletes their value making money for the
school can now make money for themselves as well. And
I don't keep them from having to pay guys. So
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why you don't have to worry about the Division two
guy or the division actually the Division two guy. If
you're at a small school, maybe in your community, some
card dealer want you to come and and take pictures
for an hour, you get to do it, or or
if you you can. Girls, listen, trust me up in Connecticut,
they they're they're big. You tell me to you, they
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couldn't run their all basketball cat make a couple of
but allow allow the athletes to monetize the name that
they create and work hard for. Don't take that away
from them. Don't put their name on the back of
a damn jersey, sa of it and then tell them
they can't use that their name to make money. I
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have been saying that for over a decade. To me,
I think that's the answer, And it also teaches them
some valuable business lessons. Isn't that a part of being
in college to to learn how you know how the
business system works, how the local community will pay you,
what to do with that money, investing that money. You
can have the school involved, you can have the s
I D, the A D involved with that. It could
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be school sanctioned. But I've been saved. Problem. The problem
is the school in n C two A. Their hand
is not in it, you know, yeah, their hand and
it's it's not touching their palm, so we can't control it.
We don't want to do it. Skin in the game,
you know those You don't like it when a football
player and they're they're in the generic jersey because they
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can't whether they be just hey I'm touring being a
red jersey. No Alabama, they tell them, because you're right,
You're like, oh, you can do it, but you can't
use our role tide logo right, and it would sort
of start a new thing. But I took that's a
great call, you race, because I'm always with you two.
I don't think everyone should be paid. If some kids says, hey,
well what about me, gonna well listen, if you're popular enough,
you can bunship. If not, then then tough right. It
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was sort of like the old lineman and bitched about
Levy on Bell. He makes seven times more money I do.
Why is he complaining because he's better, faster and a
better shape than you. Exactly. It's crazy. You go, you go,
you go into the bookstore. You going to the gift
store to gift shop, they're selling your jersey. What's your
name on it? Yeah? Yet, but yet you get nothing.
You'll keep the kids too, like the Walk on what
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Chris Weber Sorry, Joe. Chris Webber was one of the
first kids to really that Fab five in which Webber
saw that number four jerseys his name everywhere, and that's
what sort of led to Ed Martin and the money
because imagine being the Fab five, they were the most
they were more popular than any NBA team right there.
Mercers was selling through the roof. They didn't get a
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damn penny from it. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's
another thing. If you sell if if Alabama or Michigan
seller shape Patterson jersey, I thought you kicked the guy
a Bucker Tuper jersey. Likely kid, we sold you know,
we sold two U jerseys. Your name on your back.
Here's a chuck for sixty k. What's wrong with that?
That's America, that's copitalism, best business. They don't want, they
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don't want. They don't want the scholarship to seem like
a job, which it is. We'll see when we come back.
We'll be talking about Buffalo and Troy coming right back.
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We were just in a heated discussion about the n
c double A. We're gonna kick it back now. Talk
about this dollar general ball between Tyree Jackson and Buffalo
going up against Sawyer Smith and Troy, big battle, solid defenses.
You have a Buffalo defense that's so you can give
it up a hundred and eighty four passing range for
a game. On the flip side, Troy only allowing a
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hundred thirty rushing orangs to opposing offenses. When you look
at Buffalo's offense, Richie at the Tyree Jackson twenty five
touchdown passes, but he has two solid running backs in
Kevin Marks and Patterson total rushing touchdowns. But I still
like the physicality of Troy in this fall game. Not
one of my better picks, but I still like Troy
in this ball game. Yeah, I've hesitated to call a
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best bet on this game. I like Buffalo. I just
think that looking at this team, Gabe brought it up earlier,
it's not a traditional MAC football team. It's a team
that has more next level talent. I think they didn't
get the MAC Championship and should have. I think they
get the Bowl game. I think Lance Lapold gets the
Bowl game in this game. You mentioned Jared Patterson. Anthony Johnson,
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the wide receiver, arguably the best player in this game.
It's an interesting matchup because Troy strength is its defense,
very solid defensive team, a lot of all Sun Belt
players twenty seven takeaways this season. This is a good
matchup offense versus defense. I think offense wins in this regard.
One thing to keep in mind, and it's might benefit
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your pick. Troy leads the Sun Belt and red zone defense.
Buffalo last in the MAC in red zone offense. So
can they score once they get inside the twenty? That
could dictate the finale. That Children's had fifteen touchdown passes
all season long. Three of them came in the in
the match championship against Buffalo. But I asked, Marshall, listen
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the break. Everybody's talking about this Tyree Jackson six seven
to fifty, I said, is he the next Logan Thomas
That was the former Virginia Tech quarterback that got drafted
by Arizona. The Wow? I mean, he's not. But he's not.
He's not elite or first off with quarterback. Could could be,
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could be? But I mean big arm, yeah, big arm.
Eleven interceptions um touchdowns when he seven touchdowns but but
eleven interceptions and I'm baffled at their red zone lack
of efficiency? Is it it? It kind of I'm like, wow,
that surprises me. When you have two backs that they
have and you have a quarterback that can that can
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see over the planet red zone offense, I mean, it
should be it should be easy for them, but it's
it's been a struggle. It's been a struggle. I wonder
if it's it's philosophy and what you want to do.
Are you playing for the field goal? I'm not gonna
get easier against Troy No, and Patterns will not get
easy freshman, which is very I mean, those are two
big time players. They're like a ground and pound. Fire
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is a junior, correct Hire is a junior. Suppose he
has a decision back to Buffalo. That makes john Is
a senior. Now. Supposedly, Johnson's mentioned as one of the
top ten wide receivers in this draft. I mean, clearly,
he has the size and catches the football at its
highest point. The one thing where the concern that you
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would say is playing in the MAC. It took Corey
Davis two years to sort of get his feet wet
with Tennessee. Now and Western Michigan, and he was a
better wide receiver coming out of college. So would you
reach up and take Johnson as as in a first
or second round pick? I mean, like anything when it
comes to the drafts all going to depend upon what
happens at the combine those interviews, the the and for
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and for and for him. It actually depends more on
who drafts you and who's coaching you. Like if you
have a guy that knows how to develop receivers, and
I go to this guy because I mean it's not
just because he recruited me and saw my talent, but
Curtis Johnson the receiver coach for the New Orleans Saints.
They have guys you never heard of. You're like, well,
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who is who is? Who is this kid? He knows
how to develop receivers. They have names that you coast
him before Marcus coasting. You know, that's what he does
that you don't have to be a high draft choice
for him to get you ready to play in this league.
People always thinking that coach you get. If you get
a coach that know how to develop a player, you're good.
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I watch one same game, I see guys kurk Woyd
like Kirk, Well, I know Tommy Lee Louis who last
couple of weeks, but I hear what you're saying, but
I just want to say it is true. You always
take people thinking the head coach or the gentleman all
the time, But what most people's football players successes is
an assistant coach, a position coach that no one's ever
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really heard about. Right. A position coach is the guy
who develops you. He understands your talent, knows your weakness
and and and gives you the blueprint on these are
the things you need to work on in order to
get on the field and be the talent that you are.
Because when you get one of these players, you get
Johnson here. Johnson's gonna walk in there feeling like he
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knows football. But once you once they once they ask
you to line up and think, and now you gotta run,
think and make plays. A lot of people have a
problem with that. Your your talent now becomes stifled because
the brain can paralyze you if you have to recoverage
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and run fast and react to the guy in front
of you. Sometimes you don't know how to slow down
your internal motor to allow you to just enjoy the game.
Is that one of the biggest reasons a highly drafted
kid maybe doesn't hit that potential. Yes, or it could
You could be you could be drafted and play at
a really good school. You could play at a power
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of five school, and and and at the power of
five school. So they're not asking you to think. This
is my problem with the combine. I'm like, okay, you're
gonna ask a receiver to run routes on air, Like,
at what point in time is he going to do that?
How about you put a corner in a safety the air,
give me the cloud, give me the sky, have the
safety drop. Run your route. Now tell me what you
would do. Convert it. You got covered to convert the route.
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I give you a seven route, the corner drops down
on you. I want to see you now run a
nine route converted. I want to see you do these things.
You're pumping me up. You know when I said you
want to you want to measure a food yard dash
from the guy, Why don't you put a football helmet
and shoulder padge on it, in a football in his
arm and then measure the thing. The damn it's unbelievable
that Michael ervis is a measure of your of your mind.
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You're a football brain, putting them out of board. A
coach can draw up stuff on the board and never play.
I mean, who cares if you could draw up your
favorite play. I want to know when the game's going on,
and I've coached you to do something, can you what?
And I call it play football, which is you might
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have to do something that I didn't teach you. That's
playing football. You might have to react to something that happened.
That's playing football. You gotta go beyond coaching sometimes and
here and to Marshall's point, you know what I cannot
stand in today's game. I cannot stand especially too fold
from watching the game, respecting the game, and then betting
on the game. Is you have momentum right, you're driving
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eight yards, ten yards, fifteen yards, all on the side.
Now you got the defense on its heels right, so
you're line up, you're going quick. Guess what quarterback's gotta
look over at the sun? Fifteen seconds? Make the call already?
What are you waiting for? These guys they can't make
up on the staff. But but but to Marshall's point,
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quarterbacks don't recoverage anymore. They wait for the coach to
read the coverage, put up the turtle sign, They put
up John Gruden's face, They put up a can of
PEPSI I mean, am I wrong way? Put up? But
remember Rudin hurt stuff like this, Lee Corso of Corso.
Of course crud interviewed Newton in that QB bust thing.
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I remember when Cam came in, Gruden started throwing things here,
what did you do with this progression? What you do
that progression? Cam Newton basically said, I went left to right.
Gruden was a little freak and he goes really that's
he goes the coaches and he goes the coaches told
me go left to right. So it's basically open note
left to right. But you said, Marcia right high. They
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called a lot of other stuff at you right then
left to right? You do you go left to right
or you go high low? Yeah? I mean I think
if you see a quarterback that makes the slight intangibles,
that's something you want to see outside the play calling.
So if a kid is always has his eyes down
the field, if he's not willing to go down with
one tackle, those are the subtleties that you can say
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separates maybe a good player from an elite player. I mean,
do you see that as well? Like and what I
what I look for in college players and and it's
it's you see it in young quarterbacks nowadays. Um, the
ones that that's experienced in the spread system, the ones
that understand, they understand fronts and they understand coverages. They
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they they're giving packages Like when when I when when
when Peyton came to Indianapolis, it was the first time
that I played with a quarterback that could handle the package.
You know, it's like, okay, you can you you get
an audible, like they'll call a player you have an audible.
That's that. That's one that was old football and having
a quarterback knowing when they called audible and it was
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a set audible to get you out of a play
because they could be in the defense that was bad
for that play. But when you have a package, a
package you'll come in two runs to passes, you gotta
put us in the right thing based on what the
coverage is, based on what the front is that can
be running past. And now even with the with the run,
you're reading the shade of a tackle, the shade of
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an end, the linement of a linebacker where a safety
is lined up, and it's telling you what what play
to get you into. That's when you know a quarterback
it has developing a lot of these young kids coming in.
They understand the spread system and they've run so many
play they played so much football. They can they can
get you into certain things. The kid at at at Clemson,
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as a young quarterback, he's getting them into things, Lawrence is.
That's what I'm impressed with, not just his ability to throw,
his ability to think while they are on the field.
They they're giving him packages as a freshman, which is impressive.
That's what makes a championship player go oh my god.
Great coaching, and then a player that can adapt to
the coaching and you've getting because, as you stated, coach
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can only do so much right. At some point the
player just to say, you know what, coach, I saw
it wasn't gonna work coming from here, so I sort
of had to just adapt it here. That's what's that
they're talking about. Come over and they're talking to each
other here. You see they're always see after a touchdown,
players are always explaining it to the coach is there,
almost like a debriefing that goes back, this is what happened, man,
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I saw the linebacker pinch to the weak side, side side,
take it to the right. A player, um, A player
that understands the game. When you understand the game, the
things that you do when you can walk on the
side to the side, lad and explain to your coach,
here's why. Because they're coach, would ask me, so, why
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did you bounce that? Here's why I bounced it. This
is what I saw. This was their alignment all the time.
Sometimes you're helping a coaching coach and be like, damn,
all right, but they need to know because back in
you know, you only get steel shots. You don't get
action shots. So on the steel shot, the outside linebacker
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might look like he he was here, but in action, okay,
he went underneath, right. You don't know that. You know
they called it, they called the inside play. I bounced it.
I gotta I gotta explain why you know that? The
and and and the other part is knowing. Sometimes you
just gotta eat it. That's an uphill play. You don't
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want to bounce it now, But I got you. I'm
gonna wait. You gotta wait. You don't want to cut
back in the first quarter. Why you gotta you gotta
wait till the third or the fourth when you need
the first down and then you cut back. That's that's
what I like. Shady McCoy love him. I'd always text him,
why why are you cut Why you why are you
going for the cutback in the first quarter. If you
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take the cutback in the first quarter, they've already defended
the point of attack. You already told him you're not
gonna take the and not nothing is just that's just
how I run here. He's try to hit a home
run every time. But he yeah, he's really want to
throw him under the bus. I'm a Bills fan, but
he did have the most yards for negative rush last year,
tackle behind a lot of crab and it's just instead
of eating it right, Yeah, it's it's it's its reaction.
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Barry Sam's had the same problem. Great player. Sometimes sometimes
that game is too it's setting up something else and
that cutback it could say, it could be it could
be a big time first down in the fourth quarter
when you're trying to close it out when you go
to run that play because they're gonna line up when
you when you line up in that formation, they're gonna
line up to stop that play. Yeah, which which like
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I'm on a running back academy now here. We have
a Hall of Famer on both levels Hall of Fame
Collegiate last year inducted, that's when we first met, and
in the Hall of Fame for the NFL. It doesn't
I mean, come on, it doesn't get better than that.
And if he played in today's game, he might have
three down. Who's the most player? Who's the most player
(31:43):
in the hannafoul? Now that you and if someone says,
if you're watching games, something said, he's like Marshall falk
and you were a very unique player. Who's the guy
that you wouldn't be insulted? He said, you know what,
I kind of like this guy's game is like me
probably uh Kamara, like like we we we played like.
It's funny when I watched him play, like I lean
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like I'm running and I do things that that he does.
He refused to give you a clean shot. Um sort
of he sort of wiggles through the line and started
it's that wiggle he I noticed that, and and and
probably the thing that's best is um. I can tell
when the players like this, Uh, when when the coach
asked you to do something, you just do it. You
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don't say I can't do that. Like that mentality is
like a coach line you up and say, Okay, we're
gonna put you out here at the X, We're gonna
put you at Z, We're gonna throw you disks. I
was like, okay. Most running backs is like what I
can't do that? You that That's that's the thought process
because you're your your institutionalized by the position. You're not
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a football player and Sean Payton, you gotta be a
football player because you never know where you're gonna be
on the football tam hill and how to use it.
You gotta be a football player. He football player. That's
that's why they drafted him. Football player, football player, and
that's what they go for. They they go, they draft
and in today's game, you have to have football players.
You gotta have versatile guys that can play inside, play outside,
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you can play running back, you gotta catch the ball,
you gotta pass, but you gotta you gotta be and
that's why you look at like Danny woodhead all purpose
type of player for for new under the radar VERSATI players.
I mean, think about it. Try Brown is his best receiver.
You hadn't playing dB. Yeah, no, not just not just corner.
We're gonna put you in the slot. Hard at damn
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position in the Worldhod Cover, We're gonna put you in
the slot. Marshall brings up a lot of the cerebral
side of football. We started this conversation with Tyree Jackson
and I think about young players, young quarterbacks. There's so
much of the cerebral side that's important that takes time
to develop. A lot of these kids should really rethink
whether or not they go pro early, an extra season
of coach. The only the only reason, the only reason,
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Jared Stidham, the only reason I advocate for them to
go is because they need to learn the game. Football
is the young man's game. The sooner you can get there,
learn how to play, the longer y're going to play.
Some should, some should. At the draft, there's over a
hundred players as at Declaire Early. A big chunk of
those don't get drafted. It all. Yeah, I agree, it's
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going to record Buffalo Buffalo, and I just want to
say Buffalo and Troy both extremely profitable teams for their backers.
Uh this year Uh, Buffalo, Buffalo very very robust, nine
and four against the spread, Troy eight three and one
against the spread. That's a good day of money on
my I'd like Buffalo here. It's always tough for the
MAC team. And also I don't want to joke around,
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but they're from Buffalo and Buffalo is a curse sports city. Dude.
They blew lead in the damn MC game like it's amazing,
But Corl, it's true. They let all games up. What's
what's your what's your email? Uh? Sports rage? Yeah, bills
off about film, that's right right away. I didn't let
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you know what I got sucked into that for some reason,
like I didn't mean to trade. But I just want
to say one thing. You look at the Buffalo bubble
basketball program right now, Big wins, top twenty five, winning
at Syracuse. It's contagious. What's going on at this campus.
They blew that MAC championship game. They've never won a
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bowl game before. Guys, this is it. They could use
that that that MAC championship forgotten about if they can
win this football game today. I think they can. And
we talk about Khalil Hodge. I'll talk about col mac
this Kile Hodge could play as well. We'll talk about
it that on the back end. When we come back,
we'll be breaking down Hawaiian law tech from the NFL
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I would have killed it in daily Fantasy basketball. That's awesome.
I loved Indianalyst. I think you need an edge in basketball.
I don't think a lot of people really. I certainly
do too. And I think Yukon and Nova playing at MSG, yeah, yeah,
you can Yukon bust. I don't if they need a
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bus to get across the street and Pinky still playing
for Villanova. I know J Rightie coached Hofster with speedy
Klaxton that I know j J puts them in the league.
He there's some nice, there's some, there's some, there's some.
There's some Nova players in the league, more than I've
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seen over the last ten years and the last like
three or four years. You're talking about football players, and smart.
I Q. You go to Villanova, you're a basketball player,
you know how to play the game. He's a hell
of a coach. And there's not a ton of college
coaches talk about Lincoln Riley maybe today a little bit.
And I'm insured your take. You see if he's worth
the hype, and you think he's gonna go to the NFL.
They can ride, but not a lot of college coaches
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translate to the pros to me. You take J Billis
you drop in the NBA. He's successful right away? Yeah,
I'll sing. I mean, I just don't want to go
through the picks here for the twelve o'clock, right, Did
I say J Billis? You did? Actually, I think you
meant J. I met J Billis in Hallway. Thet today
all on Wake Forest more so you like wake Forest
against Memphis to Wake here, we're all on. I think
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I like Wake Forest as well. So we'll see this
money line and it's a fifty uh yeah, I think it's.
The last I saw was three and a half. I'll
give a quick check right now. I'm showing three down
to three so and I think they're around plus one
thirty on the money line. So at least last night.
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There's there's a little something you know when the player
like like Henderson is not going to play, and um,
I think I saw it with the receiver at Arizona State, Harry, like,
if you're not going to play, get off the damn
sideline with the team. I agree, you're not hurt. I
don't want you on my sideline. Sit in the stands.
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There's something to that when these players they're not playing yet,
they still want to be in the mix and around. No.
I understand what you're doing, but go stit with your
family and watch the game. He'll be a fan because
you're not. You're not helping me. You're not helping me
being here because you could be. You could you could play. Yeah,
we'll see. I'm curious to see how this Memphis team responds. Earlier,
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we got about fifteen minutes to kick. We'll have updates
throughout the show. I'm curious to you. Jamie really wet
our appetites by saying he's got a nine and old
trend in this game. I'm trying to run it through
my mind what that could be. But yet, Jamie on
the on the horn about half an hour into the
game to see what the trend was that he was
looking at, and then maybe we'll you know, we'll tell
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fans where it is, because still have in games, so
you know, we'll say, we'll say, we'll see how that
transpires in about fourteen minutes. The other game that's a
big battle is the Hawaii Bowl, Hawaii at home against
Skip Holts in law tech. Everybody knows my discern for
skip Holts, the former USF head coach. Uh not gonna
go into that right now. But when you look at
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this matchup, I mean, I am curious to know because
one team, like I said, Hawaii four and three, in
these ball games, they seem up and prepared. Now, they're
not gonna win every Bowl game, but they're at least prepared.
And when I looked at that matchup from Charlie Strong
in South Florida a couple of nights ago against Marshall lethargic, unprepared,
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they fell behind, they could care less. I think you're
gonna get a different type of output with Cole McDonald
at the helm, and I think it will be high scoring.
I like the over sixty one and a half, but
I also like the Warriors in this ball game. Love
John or Sua, I mean Cole McDonald to or Sue
is something we'll talk about a lot. But the one
player I'll be watching will not be on offense in
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this game. It's Jalen Furguson of Louisiana Attack. You know,
we've seen it over the past couple of years. There
are these group of five defensive players that a lot
of folks are on the country haven't watched. Unfamiliar to
star kids. We talked about it all the time, but
they developed, developed, developed, and Skip, for all of your
resignation about his coaching acumen for straight Bowl wins under Skip,
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Holtz continues to develop talent in Louisiana. I think he's
done a very good job. Since he's got to rustin
the number that staying. I'm gonna go numbers, and I
don't always like to do this, especially in Bowl games.
This one's impossible to ignore the last sixteen times that
Hawaii has been a favorite, and I think there's still
a one point favorite. Yeah, staggering oh fifteen and one
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as a favorite against the Bread I have to take
Louisiana Tech in this game. I Hawaii, but I like
the overmore. I think I think watch Jalen Ferguson. Hawaii
is not strong at the point of attack, very young
on defense, the offensive line is average and protecting McDonald
watch Jalen Ferguson. He is a first or second round
draft choice next fall. And you can sell what you
will Joe about your boy skip pulse. But he's five
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and one against the spread straight up second he beat Yes,
he beat s mu when Sunny Dike took over last
year when Maurice went to Arkansas, saw give him alrighty
dominated that match, still over a cheating and he's still
beating beat Navy and they didn't cover the spreadshell all right,
I'll give him. I like Hawaiian Hawaii, Yes, I got
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THEA Like, I'm just telling you, I like Hawaii in Hawaii.
It's just it's such a different trip when you go
out and I'm like, we went because we played them,
so going there early, you just you you get they
get you into that. That just just to kind of relax, lazy,
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not an oh boy, No, you don't really have a
sense of urgency. They can get you with some dude
start running past you stuff. And if Louisiana, let's let's
just say they spent a week there, man, I mean
that's a that's a that's a hike, and it's it's
it's different. The atmosphere is different. That stadium gets rocking.
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They get that, they get that they get to do
in the little ritual dances before and and it like it.
It just it throws. It kind of throws you. I'm
telling I like Hawaii. In Hawaii, I mean when you
when you have a quarterback who's growing for thirty five touchdowns,
they're going to move the football. They were giving him
the Heisman Trophy after he lead that comeback. Will not
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come back, but they were huge underdogs against four. He
faded down the stretch though they started off the five.
The ration is beneficial. They got to their ball, you know,
they knew they were gonna make a ball and they
sort of stumbled down the stretch. I think how in
a couple of weeks off might actually give him that
shot in the arm. Right now, it would be massive
for them to end this season with a win. Ever
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since then that weekend Rich when they pulled a fast
one when they sent the fake McDonald out and anothering
was the same. He was chunky. Yeah, So Marcia had
earlier the year he was banged up. Didn't know if
he was gonna be playing or not. So the Rolovich
to screw with people sent out a kid in his uniform.
He's out there throwing passes, and I remember Rich going
(44:26):
doesn't look like McDonald does it game. But I'm like, no,
I don't think that's him. Yeah, nobody says you can't
do that. No, exactly, nobody says you can't do that
in game. Bobby Valentine, that sounds like that sounds like
a Bilichick move. I know, I like it. I don't know.
I like the over Tonight's the number. It's sixty one.
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I think, you know, I like. I don't think you
can sit here and say, oh, yeah, I'm gonna put
all my holiday money on Hawaii or Louisiana Tech in
this game. But in sixty one, you tend to believe
that they'll be able to creep over the number. It
should be able to get there. But I actually lean
with Louisiana Tech. Yeah, we'll see. It's all Skip does
is win Bowl games? Actually does baby Skip Hulty into
the ground. But he's games, but he's he's where he
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would bring up us? What about his USA. Charlie Strong,
speaking of US, I think, Charlie Strong, you're hating on
a coach should be out the door after that, profess
you're hating on a coach. Here Joe and it's like
forty eight and twenty four against the spread as an underdog,
Joe gets something in his mind. He cannot at all that.
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I can't help it. But you have to be able
to like be J Daniels when he came out. I'm
just have to be able to pivot at killed that
kid's career, got drafted by San Francisco. Much of kids
in the face in the room half time today's game,
he'd be lethal. San Francisco has killed a lot of
quarterbacks since since since since young they killed just about
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every even even one that took him to the Super Bowl.
They killed his career. No, he just realized somethmar so'll
see what you're you're crying about. B J Daniels. Now,
I remember last year you were always the kid's name
last year in the UCF. So you love every UCF
quarterback at US. Who was the kid last year you liked?
I told you not going to the NFL. Quentin Flowers,
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Flowers all right, you were lover of Flowers that I
do love Flowers, I do I but you can't. Here's
the thing, and not to go off topic. People, you
have quarterbacks in the league like Joe Webb and Joe
Webb is was a solid player U A B. Granted
he had a good career, but he's in the league
sixteen years as a third string quarterback. Jim Sorgi is
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a quarterback that never did anything at Wisconsin. You're telling
me an athlete like Quentin Flowers that broke multiple passing
records that you see at USF can't play in the
league at the quarterback position. Quarterback, take some Hill who
was a fifty percent completion percentage is playing in the
league as a hybrid. You're telling me we can't use
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that's a sub package. He might be available as a
subpack because he's not a starting quarterback. I didn't say
starter playing in the league. The league. It's it's changing
that that's no longer an athletic quarterback. Um. You you you, regardless,
regardless if you have an NFL armed talent like you,
you have to draft what what you're getting now? I
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mean that's what what we a non mobile quarterback is
about to be not a quarter not a quarterback in
the NFL. That's it's just, it's it's not gonna happen.
That that's there. We're they're not, they're not. There's there's
no more Peton Mannings. I mean, there's no more Tom
Brady's about Andrew Luck. I'm just saying like he was
(47:40):
an athletic quarterback like that. Think about what they raped
about with him. Oh my god, he could throw the
ball like Peyton. He's smart like Peyton's mobile. Wow, that's
that's you know, It's it's just that's not gonna happen.
I just wish, like you said, if if if Joe
Webb came into this league, there would be somewhere for
him to play. Oh and I'm not saying that if
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RG three came into this league, they would be somewhere
for him to play. Time right now for Haskins out
of Ohio State, he's that guy that's just sort of heat.
Everyone was talking about Herbert. Herbert's is stiff with all yours.
But I don't want to call a kid a stiff.
He wasn't. I was high on betting on the Ducks.
I never said Herbert for the NFL. You know, I
wasn't so high on Herbert. I don't think any of
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these guys your saviors. You like Lock out of those guys,
I liked you Lock the best. I'm not a stadium
guy now that the kid from NC State, I'm not
massive on. And listen, I'm not even in love with Haskins.
I don't think it's a good quarterback class, but I
love with Haskins at this point. Haskins is another kid
that I think, honestly, another year of development probably would
(48:42):
benefit him. See, I'm different about Haskins. I feel like
I feel like he was undercoached. I'm not gonna lie
to you. Like the kid early in the year when
he was raw, it was like, wow, look at this
kid throw the ball. And they didn't. Ohio State did
nothing off for that, Like they just they just were
Ohio say, we can keep running the same thing. And
(49:04):
it caught up with him. Can you think of kids
that went to the NFL too early, stumbled in the
first couple of and it completely carpet bombed their their
career from that point. Oh my god, Oh yeah, Kaiser,
Jamacus Russell Um, It's it's happened to it. It has
happened to to a lot of guys. Um, what about
Will Greer this year? What's your take on Will Grier?
(49:25):
Because he's is he this year's Baker Mayfield? You know,
I don't really I can't really get a he He
to me, he has winner on him. I think he
can win. You know, he's saying he's got a kid already,
he's married. He's sort of got dot get out of
my way. He's a transfer like Baker, chip on his shoulder,
he's sort of just got that. I imagine guys in
(49:47):
a huddle would like him, you know what I mean.
He's a guy that that that looks like you could
build your program around him, like you bring him in.
He could be the face of your team and he
could carry it on and off the field. The question,
and this has always a question, Um, I don't know
what his work ethic is like. Because as a quarterback,
you're gonna you're gonna be there before everybody else. You're
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gonna watch film with the coaches. You're gonna watch film
with the quarterback coach. And the difference between most quarterbacks
and the really good and the great quarterbacks. They go home,
and then they watch film at home too. Most of
them they have a they have a film room at home.
They're they're they're in bed with a laptop. You gotta
get the pictures. I heard a joke that Jim Morris
(50:32):
said about Michael Vick. He said, I began to suspect
that Michael Vick was never looking at the playbook that
I was here with him. He goes, So I started
to put money in it, and he goes. Vick still
never said anything about it. Well, the bills and Vick oblivious.
I guess he never opened the best story ever. And
and and you know, I know not. I wasn't a
(50:53):
part of this. I've only heard it that the Raiders
with JaMarcus Russell, they gave him a disc a CD
to go home and watch tape. They gave him a
blank CD. The next day they asked him if he watched.
He said yes, I didn't even didn't even say the
CD was blank. He didn't know that it was blank. Boy,
(51:17):
And then that and put your money on that, so
you know, can we have that information, you know beforehand?
So That's what I'm saying. You you don't know. But
the work ethic is like like does it does? And
I'm gonna tell you I watch, I watch after games.
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If you watched Cam Newton after the game when they
lost to the Saints, it batters that he plays bad.
I get mad. It really hurt. I want to see
quarterbacks that it hurt, like it hurt to stand up there,
like they take it personal. I don't want to see
them laughing. Yeah, I don't want. I don't want. I
don't want your corporate answers. You know, you don't have
to throw anybody under the bus. But tell me about Yeah,
(52:03):
that guy, that guy is gonna get better. Can you
get that information? Because we talk about draft, will be
doing a lot of draft shows once the season is over.
Can you get that from a coaching staff. They're not
gonna tell you, Like the college coach, they just want
to okay, Oklahoma. They're not gonna tell you about Kyla
Murray Baker Mayfield. They want they need him to get drafted,
(52:28):
keeps the money training, he's not. They're they're not going
to tell you the truth. Good example is Urban Meyer.
When NFL teams asked about Aaron Hernandez and they said, well,
he's uh, he's um, he's a handful. He could have
said he's more than a handful. Right, They sort of
held back. He sort of said, wow, he's a handful.
He he's a handful of deal with At times it's
(52:49):
pretty he shocked someone outside of a strip club, right,
I mean, well, think about this. You know, coaches are
all about protecting their brand too, because if you allowed
it to happen, and let's say you will get what
does that say about you? Now? You know, if you
have multiple players all this guy's a problem, that guy
is a problem. Now you're looking to collect on your
next ten million dollar contract like Jimbo Fisher. Uh, it matters.
(53:13):
So we'll see when we come back, we'll be picking
up Boise State and Boston College. Got an hour? Well,
games are just kicking off. Now keep it where it is,
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All our work. Let's go work college football today. An
(00:48):
hour away from the start of this summer twenty second
Bowl Action Wake Forest in Memphis, kick it off in
about an hour. We're just talking about the Enforces Bowl.
If you in an Army and I brought it up
to Rich in the break about Army's defensive coordinator Jay Bateman,
that that was hired by Matt Brown from North Carolina
(01:08):
will not coaching this ball game. How big of a
factor is that in terms of the defense? Yeah, I
mean again A Gabe talked about it. Sometimes you just
don't know, I mean, we don't know what the difference
is gonna be. Bateman did a phenomenal job this year, right,
seventeen points per game. A lot of that had to
do with the offense. I don't want to take anything
away from the Army defenders or Jay Bateman, but a
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big reason why they give up seventeen points per game
is the fact that they weren't on the field that often.
You know, the offense led the country in time of
possession thirty eight minutes per games. That's twenty two minutes
on defense, far less than a lot of defenses around
the country. I just told you my thought, you have
a you have a new defensive coordinator coming up Houston.
They have no they have no tendencies that go off
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of I mean that they have no idea when they
take the field what they're gonna do. So they're gonna
they're gonna spend the first quarter, maybe the first half, determining, okay,
if we get the ball. Let's say we running back,
we get the ball on our fifty game is based
on tendency, you know. And I've said this as well,
and I wanted to get your take. Coordinators are like
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pictures of quarterbacks. They gotta get into a rhythm play call,
and they gotta understand. Even though that coach was on
staff It's one thing to be a position coach. It's
another thing now to be the guy making all the
calls and the way Bateman might want to utilize the offense.
He might have been more or less aggressive than now
his predecessor, so you might get a different type of
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offense or a different type of result from that defensive unit.
You hide things, you know, you you run certain things
because you have to run them. It's like, okay, why
why they always roll into the right. Well, your right
tackle might be bad, so you roll to the right
just to help him out. Certain things you do in
football for a reason. I mean, it's like there's a
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reason why you do them because you're weak or you're
trying to hide something and you want to take a
weakness and use it as a straight So it'll be
interesting to see. I I always I always like that
when when someone else different called the play or gave
a play or did something and we got off script
because teams were like, wow, that that's different. Yeah, it
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couldn't affect the continuity now from the defensive unit game.
You have any concerns with defensive coordinator being now, maybe
the totals of playing this matchup, No, I don't all
count on especially you know, I wouldn't some circumstances, but
not with a military academy. I think everybody knows their assignments.
That it's sort of next coach op so to speak. Yeah,
we'll see. I mean it's something to think about because
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many Diaz is out now for Miami. Now I don't
think he'll coach in the Pinstripe Bowl. So to get
see how these coordinators short manipulate the talent or or
play calling ball games will be Uh, should you be
forced to stay? I mean it's getting forced No, I agree,
it's getting ridiculous now Now coaches are leaving. Players don't play.
I understand the player, but as a coach, I think
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you should coach. I understand as a coach. How much
of an impact is recruiting though we now have early
signing period, which we talked about you and I talked
about a few weeks ago now December nineteenth, with a
signing period. If you're leaving a program, that new program,
how do these guys look anyone? How do they look
themselves in the mirror? Anyone that takes anyone serious, like
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Urban Meyer is going to be coaching a leadership course
at how the state, Like, does he have any sense
of self awareness? Like these coaches will preach, So, Jimbo Fisher,
what we're family, We're gonna preach this. The guy didn't
even stay in the last game and am so whatever
thing you said is full of crap. It meant nothing.
So like it's all lip service, It means nothing, because
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the only thing that matters is the almighty dollar. We
know that. I mean, kids are picking up on that,
and I think that's a big reason why we gradually
see more and more kids skipping Bowl games because I
think they they are no longer living in that frost.
And now, you know what, it's the media's fault as well.
It's tough fault, not me because I'm one of the
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only people actually call these people out. But you know,
Scott Frost a great guy. You're a great guy. So
it Scott Frost leaves for Nebraska, right and everyone says, well,
you have to understand it's his dream job. Okay, so
how about the quarterback? How about the milk kid says,
you know what, I love it here, but you know what,
my dream has always been with the USC Trojan quarterbacks.
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So I'm gonna leave now, good luck with your program. Guys. Sorry,
I love you and you're my family, but I'm gonna
go to USC. Now. It's garbage, all right, But it's not.
It's not the coach's fault. It's the n C double
A because if then the coach can say, listen, I'll
go to the school, but I'm gonna coach this game,
and I oh, I'm gonna finish the season. I think
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what you're talking about is the bigger problem, and it's
it's you know, if you think about it. And I
don't want to say I hate the n C two A.
I just hate some of the some of the things
and some of the rules that they have. Yes, coaches
can leave any time mid season, do whatever. But as
a player, you looked like you're you're stuck. You have
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to like, hey, I gotta foul, I gotta I gotta
ask for for for good grace to like go to
another school if they have too many guys at my position,
because it's gonna stop me from making money in the future.
Just like if the coach don't leave, it's like played
by the same rule. If you're gonna ask the player
or the athlete to do it, asked the coach, tell
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him the coach, I don't know your contract, and if
you want to negotiate with him, wait till he's done.
Because if you, if you've been through the recruiting process,
when that coach, whoever that coach is, that's recruiting you,
when you sit down and talk to your family, they're
telling their family how they're going to mold you, how
they're gonna grow you, how they're gonna take care of you.
And so now you're leaving. I mean, I I don't
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even I don't get that. Yeah, the n C double
A needs to do something, and they cannot have a
double edged sword where they old kids out from playing
and have to appeal through a court process. I mean,
just let the kids go if the kid wants to
go and eat them. Going about how about schools having
the ability to block like sabing what programs kids could
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trans to me is one of the most draconian measures.
Did you read the story? Did you guys read a
story about Bill Snyder not giving rings to kids? Yeah?
Like really, you know, you don't get it. He decides
who gets a ball ring or not. I'm gonna let
you know where you can transfers. Thanks thanks, thanks, Yes, Boss,
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that's funny because the Yukon basketball team is actually in
and in our building today. I just saw them boarding outside.
They're playing at MSG across the Strait. When Yukon won
a national championship in basketball, Calhoun and the coaching staff
all got championship diamond rings. Jim Nets for one reason
or another got a championship ring. I don't know why.
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Jim Calhoun tight Wood Nats hooked him put a ring.
The kids got two hundred replicas. Yeah, but the reason
this is replicas. There's a rule. So they basically write
a rule that we must steal, rob and screw every
kid possible. That you earned the ring, you won the money,
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you you made the money for the coach. You earned
the ring, and they don't trust you enough to give
you a rank. Is what You're gonna go to Rick's
pawnshop down in Vegas and sell it. But that's the
bigger it comes that it comes helps your family. You
earned it exactly, you helped earn it. But the n
C double as making billions of dollars for TV contracts
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each and every year. The bull comes making the money
off the kids it's not the contract. And you know
what the reason say, the problem it net works for
every bit as they are complacent. The networks are only
doing what what? What's what's there for them to do
in the stance because the E two A they package it.
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But everything can be cleaned up. We'll somebody's going to
take it. Everything could be cleaned up in society here.
A great example is like the Tour de France. Alright,
totally corrupt, man, everybody's jew stop, not just Lance Armstrong.
German television told them we're not gonna air this, Like
if you don't clean your sport up in the next
two years, we're not putting it on TV. Like the
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German government basically stated, you're a disgrace to sport. We're
not gonna put it on TV. They have to sort
of clean it up. That's almost laughable here, right, I mean, well,
it's it's like you look at the ESPNS in the world.
They'll do a report ripping a player and then they'll
you know, like Greg Hardy, Greg Hardy, he's in the UFC,
it's terrible. Should he be back? And then they'll be
an add ten minutes later, Dona, then don't miss greg
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Cardis debut on ESPN Janus. There it's they're they're hypocrites,
the art of entertainment things. Just just think about it.
It has nothing to do with with with with any
of that. What Why did the tour to Friends allow?
With the go on? Because okay, time's got better, records
started getting broken against what people are watching? Money? Why
why do why did? Why did baseball? Why did? Why
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did they used to be saball? Hey? Home runs? People
start watching? In football? Why why? Why? Now you can't
touch the quarterback. Let's have the quarterback, let's leave him alone.
Let's make it so where you can't score. Let's you
know what, rams get that sales people are gonna watch
allege football never be fixed. We want. They're not. They're
gonna change anything because I don't have to. They don't exactly,
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they don't have to. They don't have to. I think
it's heading in the right direction, though, because I think
athletes are beginning to realize that they I think we're
gonna see a day in the not too distant future
where you're gonna get almost Northwestern sort of was on
the fringe of that money. I'm not saying that we're there,
but I think we're heading. The kids are beginning to
realize they have a tremendous amount of leverage and power.
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Here's yes, I think they do, because in the football
they don't. How about this not in football, Rich, I
was gonna say, listen, in football, you're screwed. Here's no
other league. I'll tell you right now. If I was
a basketball player, there's not a hope in hell that
I would play for any And I'm a big Michigan fan.
I love be Line. I'm going to China to make
three million dollars a year and to learn how to
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play the pro game. Tell me, oh no, well, it's
gonna hurt your draft stock. Tell that to Manuel Movie
they got drafted fifth overall. F you you just want
me to go to He's fine, you see when you're Marshall,
But there's no choice. You're screw you gott to join
the Sister's changing now. But the difference. It will be
interesting to see where these new leagues, with these new leagues,
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these spring leagues that come up, Alliance League, they decide
to do what they decided to do. Are they gonna
allow kids to come out of high school and learn
how to play the pro game. That's we're going to
see what happens with that. And to Marshall's point too,
I mean when you have a college basketball team twelve
players on a team, now you have a college football
team a hundred and a hundred fifteen players. It's a
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it's a lot different where you know, if you're a
kid and you can go anywhere you want because it's
a smaller game, it's a smaller amount of players in
the mix of college football. I don't want to say
it's diluted, but there's a multitude of players. It's diluted,
but there's only about there used to be. How many
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there used to be. There's college football players and it's
six thousand basketball players. There's a less of a handful
of football percentage I'm making to the pros as opposed
to let me make one point. I'm gonna predict I
know you're gonna discage. Everybody's gonna disagree with me. I'm
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gonna predict that the kids, at one point in the
next maybe decade, you're gonna have a playoff team that's
gonna bandy together quietly and say we're not coming out
not a hopeing hell. I think it have not a
hope in hell. And I guess also, yeah, there's I
guess that Marshally wouldn't know. I guess the NFL players
associated gonna come together in the next collect party and
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really show everyone right now, whatooball players are worried about themselves?
All right? Doesn't what could what could? What could happen?
Is um, there's going to eventually, like there's a humanion,
be a union by athletes. There should be that could happen,
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and and and and I've proposed this and they don't like.
I get what the n C two A is saying
we can't pay athletes. I get it. And it's not
that they can't pay, it's it's what do you say
to a Division two, Division three? What do you pay them?
Because once you pay D one, you gotta pay everybody.
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What do you pay and what do you pay in
the cross team? Right? What you what do you pay
the long snappers? The starting quarter? Exactly? Now, this is
what I told him. I said, all right, let's scrap,
let's scrap paying them. Allowed to college athletes who can
use their name, just just amount of time to offer
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for my usually if if okay, if I'm if I'm too,
I'm the star, and somebody want to come pay me
to sign autographs, so to make it, let me make
money off my name. I don't want you to pay me.
So now the athletes their value making money for the
school can now make money for themselves as well. And
I don't keep them from having to pay guys. So
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why you don't have to worry about the Division two
guy or the division actually the Division two guy. If
you're at a small school, maybe in your community, some
card dealer want you to come and and take pictures
for an hour, you get to do it, or or
if you you can. Girls, listen, trust me up in Connecticut,
they they're they're big. You tell me to you, they
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couldn't run their all basketball cat make a couple of
but allow allow the athletes to monetize the name that
they create and work hard for. Don't take that away
from them. Don't put their name on the back of
a damn jersey, sa of it and then tell them
they can't use that their name to make money. I
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have been saying that for over a decade. To me,
I think that's the answer, And it also teaches them
some valuable business lessons. Isn't that a part of being
in college to to learn how you know how the
business system works, how the local community will pay you,
what to do with that money, investing that money. You
can have the school involved, you can have the s
I D, the A D involved with that. It could
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be school sanctioned. But I've been saved. Problem. The problem
is the school in n C two A. Their hand
is not in it, you know, yeah, their hand and
it's it's not touching their palm, so we can't control it.
We don't want to do it. Skin in the game,
you know those You don't like it when a football
player and they're they're in the generic jersey because they
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can't whether they be just hey I'm touring being a
red jersey. No Alabama, they tell them, because you're right,
You're like, oh, you can do it, but you can't
use our role tide logo right, and it would sort
of start a new thing. But I took that's a
great call, you race, because I'm always with you two.
I don't think everyone should be paid. If some kids says, hey,
well what about me, gonna well listen, if you're popular enough,
you can bunship. If not, then then tough right. It
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was sort of like the old lineman and bitched about
Levy on Bell. He makes seven times more money I do.
Why is he complaining because he's better, faster and a
better shape than you. Exactly. It's crazy. You go, you go,
you go into the bookstore. You going to the gift
store to gift shop, they're selling your jersey. What's your
name on it? Yeah? Yet, but yet you get nothing.
You'll keep the kids too, like the Walk on what
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Chris Weber Sorry, Joe. Chris Webber was one of the
first kids to really that Fab five in which Webber
saw that number four jerseys his name everywhere, and that's
what sort of led to Ed Martin and the money
because imagine being the Fab five, they were the most
they were more popular than any NBA team right there.
Mercers was selling through the roof. They didn't get a
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damn penny from it. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, it's
another thing. If you sell if if Alabama or Michigan
seller shape Patterson jersey, I thought you kicked the guy
a Bucker Tuper jersey. Likely kid, we sold you know,
we sold two U jerseys. Your name on your back.
Here's a chuck for sixty k. What's wrong with that?
That's America, that's copitalism, best business. They don't want, they
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don't want. They don't want the scholarship to seem like
a job, which it is. We'll see when we come back.
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We were just in a heated discussion about the n
c double A. We're gonna kick it back now. Talk
about this dollar general ball between Tyree Jackson and Buffalo
going up against Sawyer Smith and Troy, big battle, solid defenses.
You have a Buffalo defense that's so you can give
it up a hundred and eighty four passing range for
a game. On the flip side, Troy only allowing a
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hundred thirty rushing orangs to opposing offenses. When you look
at Buffalo's offense, Richie at the Tyree Jackson twenty five
touchdown passes, but he has two solid running backs in
Kevin Marks and Patterson total rushing touchdowns. But I still
like the physicality of Troy in this fall game. Not
one of my better picks, but I still like Troy
in this ball game. Yeah, I've hesitated to call a
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best bet on this game. I like Buffalo. I just
think that looking at this team, Gabe brought it up earlier,
it's not a traditional MAC football team. It's a team
that has more next level talent. I think they didn't
get the MAC Championship and should have. I think they
get the Bowl game. I think Lance Lapold gets the
Bowl game in this game. You mentioned Jared Patterson. Anthony Johnson,
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the wide receiver, arguably the best player in this game.
It's an interesting matchup because Troy strength is its defense,
very solid defensive team, a lot of all Sun Belt
players twenty seven takeaways this season. This is a good
matchup offense versus defense. I think offense wins in this regard.
One thing to keep in mind, and it's might benefit
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your pick. Troy leads the Sun Belt and red zone defense.
Buffalo last in the MAC in red zone offense. So
can they score once they get inside the twenty? That
could dictate the finale. That Children's had fifteen touchdown passes
all season long. Three of them came in the in
the match championship against Buffalo. But I asked, Marshall, listen
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the break. Everybody's talking about this Tyree Jackson six seven
to fifty, I said, is he the next Logan Thomas
That was the former Virginia Tech quarterback that got drafted
by Arizona. The Wow? I mean, he's not. But he's not.
He's not elite or first off with quarterback. Could could be,
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could be? But I mean big arm, yeah, big arm.
Eleven interceptions um touchdowns when he seven touchdowns but but
eleven interceptions and I'm baffled at their red zone lack
of efficiency? Is it it? It kind of I'm like, wow,
that surprises me. When you have two backs that they
have and you have a quarterback that can that can
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see over the planet red zone offense, I mean, it
should be it should be easy for them, but it's
it's been a struggle. It's been a struggle. I wonder
if it's it's philosophy and what you want to do.
Are you playing for the field goal? I'm not gonna
get easier against Troy No, and Patterns will not get
easy freshman, which is very I mean, those are two
big time players. They're like a ground and pound. Fire
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is a junior, correct Hire is a junior. Suppose he
has a decision back to Buffalo. That makes john Is
a senior. Now. Supposedly, Johnson's mentioned as one of the
top ten wide receivers in this draft. I mean, clearly,
he has the size and catches the football at its
highest point. The one thing where the concern that you
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would say is playing in the MAC. It took Corey
Davis two years to sort of get his feet wet
with Tennessee. Now and Western Michigan, and he was a
better wide receiver coming out of college. So would you
reach up and take Johnson as as in a first
or second round pick? I mean, like anything when it
comes to the drafts all going to depend upon what
happens at the combine those interviews, the the and for
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and for and for him. It actually depends more on
who drafts you and who's coaching you. Like if you
have a guy that knows how to develop receivers, and
I go to this guy because I mean it's not
just because he recruited me and saw my talent, but
Curtis Johnson the receiver coach for the New Orleans Saints.
They have guys you never heard of. You're like, well,
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who is who is? Who is this kid? He knows
how to develop receivers. They have names that you coast
him before Marcus coasting. You know, that's what he does
that you don't have to be a high draft choice
for him to get you ready to play in this league.
People always thinking that coach you get. If you get
a coach that know how to develop a player, you're good.
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I watch one same game, I see guys kurk Woyd
like Kirk, Well, I know Tommy Lee Louis who last
couple of weeks, but I hear what you're saying, but
I just want to say it is true. You always
take people thinking the head coach or the gentleman all
the time, But what most people's football players successes is
an assistant coach, a position coach that no one's ever
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really heard about. Right. A position coach is the guy
who develops you. He understands your talent, knows your weakness
and and and gives you the blueprint on these are
the things you need to work on in order to
get on the field and be the talent that you are.
Because when you get one of these players, you get
Johnson here. Johnson's gonna walk in there feeling like he
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knows football. But once you once they once they ask
you to line up and think, and now you gotta run,
think and make plays. A lot of people have a
problem with that. Your your talent now becomes stifled because
the brain can paralyze you if you have to recoverage
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and run fast and react to the guy in front
of you. Sometimes you don't know how to slow down
your internal motor to allow you to just enjoy the game.
Is that one of the biggest reasons a highly drafted
kid maybe doesn't hit that potential. Yes, or it could
You could be you could be drafted and play at
a really good school. You could play at a power
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of five school, and and and at the power of
five school. So they're not asking you to think. This
is my problem with the combine. I'm like, okay, you're
gonna ask a receiver to run routes on air, Like,
at what point in time is he going to do that?
How about you put a corner in a safety the air,
give me the cloud, give me the sky, have the
safety drop. Run your route. Now tell me what you
would do. Convert it. You got covered to convert the route.
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I give you a seven route, the corner drops down
on you. I want to see you now run a
nine route converted. I want to see you do these things.
You're pumping me up. You know when I said you
want to you want to measure a food yard dash
from the guy, Why don't you put a football helmet
and shoulder padge on it, in a football in his
arm and then measure the thing. The damn it's unbelievable
that Michael ervis is a measure of your of your mind.
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You're a football brain, putting them out of board. A
coach can draw up stuff on the board and never play.
I mean, who cares if you could draw up your
favorite play. I want to know when the game's going on,
and I've coached you to do something, can you what?
And I call it play football, which is you might
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have to do something that I didn't teach you. That's
playing football. You might have to react to something that happened.
That's playing football. You gotta go beyond coaching sometimes and
here and to Marshall's point, you know what I cannot
stand in today's game. I cannot stand especially too fold
from watching the game, respecting the game, and then betting
on the game. Is you have momentum right, you're driving
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eight yards, ten yards, fifteen yards, all on the side.
Now you got the defense on its heels right, so
you're line up, you're going quick. Guess what quarterback's gotta
look over at the sun? Fifteen seconds? Make the call already?
What are you waiting for? These guys they can't make
up on the staff. But but but to Marshall's point,
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quarterbacks don't recoverage anymore. They wait for the coach to
read the coverage, put up the turtle sign, They put
up John Gruden's face, They put up a can of
PEPSI I mean, am I wrong way? Put up? But
remember Rudin hurt stuff like this, Lee Corso of Corso.
Of course crud interviewed Newton in that QB bust thing.
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I remember when Cam came in, Gruden started throwing things here,
what did you do with this progression? What you do
that progression? Cam Newton basically said, I went left to right.
Gruden was a little freak and he goes really that's
he goes the coaches and he goes the coaches told
me go left to right. So it's basically open note
left to right. But you said, Marcia right high. They
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called a lot of other stuff at you right then
left to right? You do you go left to right
or you go high low? Yeah? I mean I think
if you see a quarterback that makes the slight intangibles,
that's something you want to see outside the play calling.
So if a kid is always has his eyes down
the field, if he's not willing to go down with
one tackle, those are the subtleties that you can say
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separates maybe a good player from an elite player. I mean,
do you see that as well? Like and what I
what I look for in college players and and it's
it's you see it in young quarterbacks nowadays. Um, the
ones that that's experienced in the spread system, the ones
that understand, they understand fronts and they understand coverages. They
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they they're giving packages Like when when I when when
when Peyton came to Indianapolis, it was the first time
that I played with a quarterback that could handle the package.
You know, it's like, okay, you can you you get
an audible, like they'll call a player you have an audible.
That's that. That's one that was old football and having
a quarterback knowing when they called audible and it was
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a set audible to get you out of a play
because they could be in the defense that was bad
for that play. But when you have a package, a
package you'll come in two runs to passes, you gotta
put us in the right thing based on what the
coverage is, based on what the front is that can
be running past. And now even with the with the run,
you're reading the shade of a tackle, the shade of
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an end, the linement of a linebacker where a safety
is lined up, and it's telling you what what play
to get you into. That's when you know a quarterback
it has developing a lot of these young kids coming in.
They understand the spread system and they've run so many
play they played so much football. They can they can
get you into certain things. The kid at at at Clemson,
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as a young quarterback, he's getting them into things, Lawrence is.
That's what I'm impressed with, not just his ability to throw,
his ability to think while they are on the field.
They they're giving him packages as a freshman, which is impressive.
That's what makes a championship player go oh my god.
Great coaching, and then a player that can adapt to
the coaching and you've getting because, as you stated, coach
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can only do so much right. At some point the
player just to say, you know what, coach, I saw
it wasn't gonna work coming from here, so I sort
of had to just adapt it here. That's what's that
they're talking about. Come over and they're talking to each
other here. You see they're always see after a touchdown,
players are always explaining it to the coach is there,
almost like a debriefing that goes back, this is what happened, man,
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I saw the linebacker pinch to the weak side, side side,
take it to the right. A player, um, A player
that understands the game. When you understand the game, the
things that you do when you can walk on the
side to the side, lad and explain to your coach,
here's why. Because they're coach, would ask me, so, why
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did you bounce that? Here's why I bounced it. This
is what I saw. This was their alignment all the time.
Sometimes you're helping a coaching coach and be like, damn,
all right, but they need to know because back in
you know, you only get steel shots. You don't get
action shots. So on the steel shot, the outside linebacker
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might look like he he was here, but in action, okay,
he went underneath, right. You don't know that. You know
they called it, they called the inside play. I bounced it.
I gotta I gotta explain why you know that? The
and and and the other part is knowing. Sometimes you
just gotta eat it. That's an uphill play. You don't
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want to bounce it now, But I got you. I'm
gonna wait. You gotta wait. You don't want to cut
back in the first quarter. Why you gotta you gotta
wait till the third or the fourth when you need
the first down and then you cut back. That's that's
what I like. Shady McCoy love him. I'd always text him,
why why are you cut Why you why are you
going for the cutback in the first quarter. If you
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take the cutback in the first quarter, they've already defended
the point of attack. You already told him you're not
gonna take the and not nothing is just that's just
how I run here. He's try to hit a home
run every time. But he yeah, he's really want to
throw him under the bus. I'm a Bills fan, but
he did have the most yards for negative rush last year,
tackle behind a lot of crab and it's just instead
of eating it right, Yeah, it's it's it's its reaction.
(30:57):
Barry Sam's had the same problem. Great player. Sometimes sometimes
that game is too it's setting up something else and
that cutback it could say, it could be it could
be a big time first down in the fourth quarter
when you're trying to close it out when you go
to run that play because they're gonna line up when
you when you line up in that formation, they're gonna
line up to stop that play. Yeah, which which like
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I'm on a running back academy now here. We have
a Hall of Famer on both levels Hall of Fame
Collegiate last year inducted, that's when we first met, and
in the Hall of Fame for the NFL. It doesn't
I mean, come on, it doesn't get better than that.
And if he played in today's game, he might have
three down. Who's the most player? Who's the most player
(31:43):
in the hannafoul? Now that you and if someone says,
if you're watching games, something said, he's like Marshall falk
and you were a very unique player. Who's the guy
that you wouldn't be insulted? He said, you know what,
I kind of like this guy's game is like me
probably uh Kamara, like like we we we played like.
It's funny when I watched him play, like I lean
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like I'm running and I do things that that he does.
He refused to give you a clean shot. Um sort
of he sort of wiggles through the line and started
it's that wiggle he I noticed that, and and and
probably the thing that's best is um. I can tell
when the players like this, Uh, when when the coach
asked you to do something, you just do it. You
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don't say I can't do that. Like that mentality is
like a coach line you up and say, Okay, we're
gonna put you out here at the X, We're gonna
put you at Z, We're gonna throw you disks. I
was like, okay. Most running backs is like what I
can't do that? You that That's that's the thought process
because you're your your institutionalized by the position. You're not
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a football player and Sean Payton, you gotta be a
football player because you never know where you're gonna be
on the football tam hill and how to use it.
You gotta be a football player. He football player. That's
that's why they drafted him. Football player, football player, and
that's what they go for. They they go, they draft
and in today's game, you have to have football players.
You gotta have versatile guys that can play inside, play outside,
(33:10):
you can play running back, you gotta catch the ball,
you gotta pass, but you gotta you gotta be and
that's why you look at like Danny woodhead all purpose
type of player for for new under the radar VERSATI players.
I mean, think about it. Try Brown is his best receiver.
You hadn't playing dB. Yeah, no, not just not just corner.
We're gonna put you in the slot. Hard at damn
(33:30):
position in the Worldhod Cover, We're gonna put you in
the slot. Marshall brings up a lot of the cerebral
side of football. We started this conversation with Tyree Jackson
and I think about young players, young quarterbacks. There's so
much of the cerebral side that's important that takes time
to develop. A lot of these kids should really rethink
whether or not they go pro early, an extra season
of coach. The only the only reason, the only reason,
(33:54):
Jared Stidham, the only reason I advocate for them to
go is because they need to learn the game. Football
is the young man's game. The sooner you can get there,
learn how to play, the longer y're going to play.
Some should, some should. At the draft, there's over a
hundred players as at Declaire Early. A big chunk of
those don't get drafted. It all. Yeah, I agree, it's
(34:16):
going to record Buffalo Buffalo, and I just want to
say Buffalo and Troy both extremely profitable teams for their backers.
Uh this year Uh, Buffalo, Buffalo very very robust, nine
and four against the spread, Troy eight three and one
against the spread. That's a good day of money on
my I'd like Buffalo here. It's always tough for the
MAC team. And also I don't want to joke around,
(34:38):
but they're from Buffalo and Buffalo is a curse sports city. Dude.
They blew lead in the damn MC game like it's amazing,
But Corl, it's true. They let all games up. What's
what's your what's your email? Uh? Sports rage? Yeah, bills
off about film, that's right right away. I didn't let
(35:04):
you know what I got sucked into that for some reason,
like I didn't mean to trade. But I just want
to say one thing. You look at the Buffalo bubble
basketball program right now, Big wins, top twenty five, winning
at Syracuse. It's contagious. What's going on at this campus.
They blew that MAC championship game. They've never won a
(35:25):
bowl game before. Guys, this is it. They could use
that that that MAC championship forgotten about if they can
win this football game today. I think they can. And
we talk about Khalil Hodge. I'll talk about col mac
this Kile Hodge could play as well. We'll talk about
it that on the back end. When we come back,
we'll be breaking down Hawaiian law tech from the NFL
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I would have killed it in daily Fantasy basketball. That's awesome.
I loved Indianalyst. I think you need an edge in basketball.
I don't think a lot of people really. I certainly
do too. And I think Yukon and Nova playing at MSG, yeah, yeah,
you can Yukon bust. I don't if they need a
(37:33):
bus to get across the street and Pinky still playing
for Villanova. I know J Rightie coached Hofster with speedy
Klaxton that I know j J puts them in the league.
He there's some nice, there's some, there's some, there's some.
There's some Nova players in the league, more than I've
(37:54):
seen over the last ten years and the last like
three or four years. You're talking about football players, and smart.
I Q. You go to Villanova, you're a basketball player,
you know how to play the game. He's a hell
of a coach. And there's not a ton of college
coaches talk about Lincoln Riley maybe today a little bit.
And I'm insured your take. You see if he's worth
the hype, and you think he's gonna go to the NFL.
They can ride, but not a lot of college coaches
(38:14):
translate to the pros to me. You take J Billis
you drop in the NBA. He's successful right away? Yeah,
I'll sing. I mean, I just don't want to go
through the picks here for the twelve o'clock, right, Did
I say J Billis? You did? Actually, I think you
meant J. I met J Billis in Hallway. Thet today
all on Wake Forest more so you like wake Forest
against Memphis to Wake here, we're all on. I think
(38:37):
I like Wake Forest as well. So we'll see this
money line and it's a fifty uh yeah, I think it's.
The last I saw was three and a half. I'll
give a quick check right now. I'm showing three down
to three so and I think they're around plus one
thirty on the money line. So at least last night.
(38:57):
There's there's a little something you know when the player
like like Henderson is not going to play, and um,
I think I saw it with the receiver at Arizona State, Harry, like,
if you're not going to play, get off the damn
sideline with the team. I agree, you're not hurt. I
don't want you on my sideline. Sit in the stands.
(39:19):
There's something to that when these players they're not playing yet,
they still want to be in the mix and around. No.
I understand what you're doing, but go stit with your
family and watch the game. He'll be a fan because
you're not. You're not helping me. You're not helping me
being here because you could be. You could you could play. Yeah,
we'll see. I'm curious to see how this Memphis team responds. Earlier,
(39:44):
we got about fifteen minutes to kick. We'll have updates
throughout the show. I'm curious to you. Jamie really wet
our appetites by saying he's got a nine and old
trend in this game. I'm trying to run it through
my mind what that could be. But yet, Jamie on
the on the horn about half an hour into the
game to see what the trend was that he was
looking at, and then maybe we'll you know, we'll tell
(40:04):
fans where it is, because still have in games, so
you know, we'll say, we'll say, we'll see how that
transpires in about fourteen minutes. The other game that's a
big battle is the Hawaii Bowl, Hawaii at home against
Skip Holts in law tech. Everybody knows my discern for
skip Holts, the former USF head coach. Uh not gonna
go into that right now. But when you look at
(40:25):
this matchup, I mean, I am curious to know because
one team, like I said, Hawaii four and three, in
these ball games, they seem up and prepared. Now, they're
not gonna win every Bowl game, but they're at least prepared.
And when I looked at that matchup from Charlie Strong
in South Florida a couple of nights ago against Marshall lethargic, unprepared,
(40:47):
they fell behind, they could care less. I think you're
gonna get a different type of output with Cole McDonald
at the helm, and I think it will be high scoring.
I like the over sixty one and a half, but
I also like the Warriors in this ball game. Love
John or Sua, I mean Cole McDonald to or Sue
is something we'll talk about a lot. But the one
player I'll be watching will not be on offense in
(41:10):
this game. It's Jalen Furguson of Louisiana Attack. You know,
we've seen it over the past couple of years. There
are these group of five defensive players that a lot
of folks are on the country haven't watched. Unfamiliar to
star kids. We talked about it all the time, but
they developed, developed, developed, and Skip, for all of your
resignation about his coaching acumen for straight Bowl wins under Skip,
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Holtz continues to develop talent in Louisiana. I think he's
done a very good job. Since he's got to rustin
the number that staying. I'm gonna go numbers, and I
don't always like to do this, especially in Bowl games.
This one's impossible to ignore the last sixteen times that
Hawaii has been a favorite, and I think there's still
a one point favorite. Yeah, staggering oh fifteen and one
(41:55):
as a favorite against the Bread I have to take
Louisiana Tech in this game. I Hawaii, but I like
the overmore. I think I think watch Jalen Ferguson. Hawaii
is not strong at the point of attack, very young
on defense, the offensive line is average and protecting McDonald
watch Jalen Ferguson. He is a first or second round
draft choice next fall. And you can sell what you
will Joe about your boy skip pulse. But he's five
(42:17):
and one against the spread straight up second he beat Yes,
he beat s mu when Sunny Dike took over last
year when Maurice went to Arkansas, saw give him alrighty
dominated that match, still over a cheating and he's still
beating beat Navy and they didn't cover the spreadshell all right,
I'll give him. I like Hawaiian Hawaii, Yes, I got
(42:38):
THEA Like, I'm just telling you, I like Hawaii in Hawaii.
It's just it's such a different trip when you go
out and I'm like, we went because we played them,
so going there early, you just you you get they
get you into that. That just just to kind of relax, lazy,
(43:01):
not an oh boy, No, you don't really have a
sense of urgency. They can get you with some dude
start running past you stuff. And if Louisiana, let's let's
just say they spent a week there, man, I mean
that's a that's a that's a hike, and it's it's
it's different. The atmosphere is different. That stadium gets rocking.
(43:23):
They get that, they get that they get to do
in the little ritual dances before and and it like it.
It just it throws. It kind of throws you. I'm
telling I like Hawaii. In Hawaii, I mean when you
when you have a quarterback who's growing for thirty five touchdowns,
they're going to move the football. They were giving him
the Heisman Trophy after he lead that comeback. Will not
(43:45):
come back, but they were huge underdogs against four. He
faded down the stretch though they started off the five.
The ration is beneficial. They got to their ball, you know,
they knew they were gonna make a ball and they
sort of stumbled down the stretch. I think how in
a couple of weeks off might actually give him that
shot in the arm. Right now, it would be massive
for them to end this season with a win. Ever
(44:06):
since then that weekend Rich when they pulled a fast
one when they sent the fake McDonald out and anothering
was the same. He was chunky. Yeah, So Marcia had
earlier the year he was banged up. Didn't know if
he was gonna be playing or not. So the Rolovich
to screw with people sent out a kid in his uniform.
He's out there throwing passes, and I remember Rich going
(44:26):
doesn't look like McDonald does it game. But I'm like, no,
I don't think that's him. Yeah, nobody says you can't
do that. No, exactly, nobody says you can't do that
in game. Bobby Valentine, that sounds like that sounds like
a Bilichick move. I know, I like it. I don't know.
I like the over Tonight's the number. It's sixty one.
(44:47):
I think, you know, I like. I don't think you
can sit here and say, oh, yeah, I'm gonna put
all my holiday money on Hawaii or Louisiana Tech in
this game. But in sixty one, you tend to believe
that they'll be able to creep over the number. It
should be able to get there. But I actually lean
with Louisiana Tech. Yeah, we'll see. It's all Skip does
is win Bowl games? Actually does baby Skip Hulty into
the ground. But he's games, but he's he's where he
(45:10):
would bring up us? What about his USA. Charlie Strong,
speaking of US, I think, Charlie Strong, you're hating on
a coach should be out the door after that, profess
you're hating on a coach. Here Joe and it's like
forty eight and twenty four against the spread as an underdog,
Joe gets something in his mind. He cannot at all that.
(45:31):
I can't help it. But you have to be able
to like be J Daniels when he came out. I'm
just have to be able to pivot at killed that
kid's career, got drafted by San Francisco. Much of kids
in the face in the room half time today's game,
he'd be lethal. San Francisco has killed a lot of
quarterbacks since since since since young they killed just about
(45:52):
every even even one that took him to the Super Bowl.
They killed his career. No, he just realized somethmar so'll
see what you're you're crying about. B J Daniels. Now,
I remember last year you were always the kid's name
last year in the UCF. So you love every UCF
quarterback at US. Who was the kid last year you liked?
I told you not going to the NFL. Quentin Flowers,
(46:13):
Flowers all right, you were lover of Flowers that I
do love Flowers, I do I but you can't. Here's
the thing, and not to go off topic. People, you
have quarterbacks in the league like Joe Webb and Joe
Webb is was a solid player U A B. Granted
he had a good career, but he's in the league
sixteen years as a third string quarterback. Jim Sorgi is
(46:34):
a quarterback that never did anything at Wisconsin. You're telling
me an athlete like Quentin Flowers that broke multiple passing
records that you see at USF can't play in the
league at the quarterback position. Quarterback, take some Hill who
was a fifty percent completion percentage is playing in the
league as a hybrid. You're telling me we can't use
(46:57):
that's a sub package. He might be available as a
subpack because he's not a starting quarterback. I didn't say
starter playing in the league. The league. It's it's changing
that that's no longer an athletic quarterback. Um. You you you, regardless,
regardless if you have an NFL armed talent like you,
you have to draft what what you're getting now? I
(47:19):
mean that's what what we a non mobile quarterback is
about to be not a quarter not a quarterback in
the NFL. That's it's just, it's it's not gonna happen.
That that's there. We're they're not, they're not. There's there's
no more Peton Mannings. I mean, there's no more Tom
Brady's about Andrew Luck. I'm just saying like he was
(47:40):
an athletic quarterback like that. Think about what they raped
about with him. Oh my god, he could throw the
ball like Peyton. He's smart like Peyton's mobile. Wow, that's
that's you know, It's it's just that's not gonna happen.
I just wish, like you said, if if if Joe
Webb came into this league, there would be somewhere for
him to play. Oh and I'm not saying that if
(48:00):
RG three came into this league, they would be somewhere
for him to play. Time right now for Haskins out
of Ohio State, he's that guy that's just sort of heat.
Everyone was talking about Herbert. Herbert's is stiff with all yours.
But I don't want to call a kid a stiff.
He wasn't. I was high on betting on the Ducks.
I never said Herbert for the NFL. You know, I
wasn't so high on Herbert. I don't think any of
(48:22):
these guys your saviors. You like Lock out of those guys,
I liked you Lock the best. I'm not a stadium
guy now that the kid from NC State, I'm not
massive on. And listen, I'm not even in love with Haskins.
I don't think it's a good quarterback class, but I
love with Haskins at this point. Haskins is another kid
that I think, honestly, another year of development probably would
(48:42):
benefit him. See, I'm different about Haskins. I feel like
I feel like he was undercoached. I'm not gonna lie
to you. Like the kid early in the year when
he was raw, it was like, wow, look at this
kid throw the ball. And they didn't. Ohio State did
nothing off for that, Like they just they just were
Ohio say, we can keep running the same thing. And
(49:04):
it caught up with him. Can you think of kids
that went to the NFL too early, stumbled in the
first couple of and it completely carpet bombed their their
career from that point. Oh my god, Oh yeah, Kaiser,
Jamacus Russell Um, It's it's happened to it. It has
happened to to a lot of guys. Um, what about
Will Greer this year? What's your take on Will Grier?
(49:25):
Because he's is he this year's Baker Mayfield? You know,
I don't really I can't really get a he He
to me, he has winner on him. I think he
can win. You know, he's saying he's got a kid already,
he's married. He's sort of got dot get out of
my way. He's a transfer like Baker, chip on his shoulder,
he's sort of just got that. I imagine guys in
(49:47):
a huddle would like him, you know what I mean.
He's a guy that that that looks like you could
build your program around him, like you bring him in.
He could be the face of your team and he
could carry it on and off the field. The question,
and this has always a question, Um, I don't know
what his work ethic is like. Because as a quarterback,
you're gonna you're gonna be there before everybody else. You're
(50:09):
gonna watch film with the coaches. You're gonna watch film
with the quarterback coach. And the difference between most quarterbacks
and the really good and the great quarterbacks. They go home,
and then they watch film at home too. Most of
them they have a they have a film room at home.
They're they're they're in bed with a laptop. You gotta
get the pictures. I heard a joke that Jim Morris
(50:32):
said about Michael Vick. He said, I began to suspect
that Michael Vick was never looking at the playbook that
I was here with him. He goes, So I started
to put money in it, and he goes. Vick still
never said anything about it. Well, the bills and Vick oblivious.
I guess he never opened the best story ever. And
and and you know, I know not. I wasn't a
(50:53):
part of this. I've only heard it that the Raiders
with JaMarcus Russell, they gave him a disc a CD
to go home and watch tape. They gave him a
blank CD. The next day they asked him if he watched.
He said yes, I didn't even didn't even say the
CD was blank. He didn't know that it was blank. Boy,
(51:17):
And then that and put your money on that, so
you know, can we have that information, you know beforehand?
So That's what I'm saying. You you don't know. But
the work ethic is like like does it does? And
I'm gonna tell you I watch, I watch after games.
(51:40):
If you watched Cam Newton after the game when they
lost to the Saints, it batters that he plays bad.
I get mad. It really hurt. I want to see
quarterbacks that it hurt, like it hurt to stand up there,
like they take it personal. I don't want to see
them laughing. Yeah, I don't want. I don't want. I
don't want your corporate answers. You know, you don't have
to throw anybody under the bus. But tell me about Yeah,
(52:03):
that guy, that guy is gonna get better. Can you
get that information? Because we talk about draft, will be
doing a lot of draft shows once the season is over.
Can you get that from a coaching staff. They're not
gonna tell you, Like the college coach, they just want
to okay, Oklahoma. They're not gonna tell you about Kyla
Murray Baker Mayfield. They want they need him to get drafted,
(52:28):
keeps the money training, he's not. They're they're not going
to tell you the truth. Good example is Urban Meyer.
When NFL teams asked about Aaron Hernandez and they said, well,
he's uh, he's um, he's a handful. He could have
said he's more than a handful. Right, They sort of
held back. He sort of said, wow, he's a handful.
He he's a handful of deal with At times it's
(52:49):
pretty he shocked someone outside of a strip club, right,
I mean, well, think about this. You know, coaches are
all about protecting their brand too, because if you allowed
it to happen, and let's say you will get what
does that say about you? Now? You know, if you
have multiple players all this guy's a problem, that guy
is a problem. Now you're looking to collect on your
next ten million dollar contract like Jimbo Fisher. Uh, it matters.
(53:13):
So we'll see when we come back, we'll be picking
up Boise State and Boston College. Got an hour? Well,
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