December 8, 2018 • 53 mins
Joe Lisi, Rich Cirminiello, and Marshall Faulk examine the upcoming non-playoff bowl games and preview the NFL draft. Then, they break down recent coaching changes and openings that are yet to be filled. #FNTSY #FNTSYRadio #NCAA #CollegeFootball #FantasyCollegeFootball #BowlGames #NonPlayoffBowlGames #Coaching #CoachingChanges #NFLDraft
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College Football Today Eisman Trophy eight o'clock tonight, three players
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will be sitting down for the hardware. Kyler Murray from Oklahoma,
who a tag of Viola from Alabama, and the long
shot Dwayne Haskins from Ohio State. Murray's the favorite guys.
I think he's minus one twenty right now to attack
of Viola is the underdog at plus one fifteen, and
then the long shot Dwayne Haskins at twenty nine to one.
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When I broke the stats down for all three players,
interesting when you when you think about it in terms
of the Bowl perspective, you look at Dwayne Haskins and
you look at the other players like to H and
uh Kyler. Kyler played six bowl teams, so did to A,
and Dwayne Haskins did face seven Bowl opponents on the schedule. Now,
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the forty seven touchdown passes that he just decimated offenses
this year can't be gone without question. But still give
the athleticism, I give the body of work, the leading
the team to a College football play playoff appearance over
the performance of Dwayne Haskins. Not sold on to it
because of last week. So that's why I think Kyler
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Murray will hoist the hardware a little bit later. I
think he will, and I think he should. Uh In
in watching all of their games this season too, was
phenomenal as a passer, third down, uh, big play passer, terrific.
I mean he had he even exceeded our expectations. But
when it came down to that final weekend, I can't
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get out of my head the fact that they still
won an SEC championship, and not only one, but rallied
against the Georgia defense with the backup quarterback. The optics
I think are bad for voters. Now A lot is
going to hinge on how many have sent their ballots
in before last weekend. It's ridiculous they should just make
it like deadline. I wouldn't even give people ballots until
after the final thing. Why can't they give I totally agree.
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Why would you submit a ballot before the final weekend?
This is the way I look at it. Everybody has
different ways of evaluating awards. The Heisman Trophy. I asked myself,
where would Alabama be out to Quite possibly in the
same spot, But where would Oklahoma be without Kyler Murray.
I don't think they'd be in the College Football Playoff
with Austin Kendall under center. He is the most dynamic
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player in the country. I think he deserves the human
Tromph Marshall to richest point, I mean, I agree with him. Now,
I was wrong both Haskins and Murray played seven Bowl
opponents to have played six, But I agree with that.
I mean, I don't think Oklahoma would be where they're
at without his performance. We've seen Alabama win with Jalen
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Hurts and he did it in the SEC Championship game. Yeah,
Haskins is probably out. Let's just it's between two UH
and Murray and and I and I. If I had
a vote, UH it would my vote would go for Murray.
I I just felt like he was to be He
was the best college football player this season. Now, Tour
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was the best college football player on the best team.
That's what he was. I mean, and and and it's
it's so hard to to quantify when when you're scoring
and it seems like meaningless touchdowns when you're at Alabama's like, okay,
what did it matter? Like they played against some some teams,
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but defensively, he was getting the ball back in great situations.
And and it's it's just so hard, um. And I'm
probably the wrong person to be answering this question, but
when you're the best player on the best team, does
that mean you're the best player in college doesn't always,
doesn't always add up, but it gets you the votes.
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So I feel like too is probably going to win
just because of his body of work and what Alabama like,
what he had to work with at Alabama, it's I mean,
Colin Murray had a defense that was pedestrian. I mean,
they were not that good, and and he won despite
having a bad defense. They won games almost when the
the game that they lost against Texas came down to
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the wire. Yeah, he's to us playing with pro caliber
defense that continues to get the ball back. Shet people
down what they did to l s U. In l
s U. It didn't even look like l s U
was SEC football team. I'm I promise you they and
when they took the field, I felt like I'd only
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felt this way my rookie year. When I went the
first couple of games I watched, I was like, these
guys are big. That's what I felt like. When I
watched the Alabama I was like, there's no way that
this guy was in high school last year. If so,
what high school? It's just not possible that they breed
freshmen like that. But it's it's I think, to a win.
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But I think Murray deserves to win. How much was
put into two from last year because of the national
champions and head started without a doubt like he is
the savior, this is the guy. But that used to
be the thing with the Heisman. You know, you couldn't
just pop on the scene and win it. You had
like you had to. You had to like showcase one
year and then have a follow up in order to
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win the Heisman. Before they allowed a guy to just
pop on. That's why a freshman didn't even like when
I was coming out my freshman year. It was phenomenal.
They didn't even invite me, which as ridiculous, but as
a freshman you could not win the hidsman. It was
just it was just the thing. And and going back
to Marshall's point, we've seen this now evolved, uh in
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terms of we've seen the game evolved, but we've seen
the trophy and the awards evolved. I'll go back to
one of my favorite favorite Heisman Trophy moments back in
was the Sports Illustrated with Chuck Long, Bo Jackson and
Joe Dodak from Plymouth State. I mean, the smaller college
kids were still mentioned in the mix with the FBS
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and the Division one A players, and now it just
seems like, like to Marshall's point, team best player Now,
we've definitely now we've moved away from that as really
evaluating the players for what we see on the football.
And it's such a good point too. I mean, I'll
take nothing away from from to but you know, he's
he's surrounded by phenomenal wide receivers. He's got honestly three
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backs that are gonna play in the pros. Jacob seems
to be the best Goosh Jacobs and both of the
Harris kids. So you know he's got a great offensive line.
Jonah Williams just was up for the you know, the
Outland Trophy. Um, so he said, defense gets some the
ball back quickly and then the other point to and
I'm not knocking him, it's it's just the circumstance. But
Kyler Murray had to be clutched because his defense forced
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him to have to be clutched. There were games in
which he had to deliver late in big moments too.
Would never had that opportunity because they were crushing opposing team.
So there were never any Heisman moments. There were never
any big fourth quarter rallies. And then when he was
thrust into that situation against Georgia, his backout, his backup
bail him out. That's a tough recipe for a Heisman Trophy,
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it is. But if you go with the best player
on the best team, as they do often you you
you end up with two A winning, which is which
is which is what is probably going to happen. I mean,
it's uh and and and I'm not I just want
the Hisman people to know I'm not taking a shot
at them. They want big school guys. I mean, that's
what they want. They want that, that's what they go for.
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That you know, that attention that comes with that. Um,
having the guy on the best team you rank number one,
win the Heisman, and give the heisman the attention that
you get. That that's that's what they want. I mean,
I don't know if if Kyler Murray I couldn't do
it this year? Um, I mean, what do you have
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to do if if you're if you're a kid at
Oklahoma and and what what do you have to do?
I mean, I understand what Baker did is but but
what do you have to do if you're Kyler Murray?
This this is an exceptional year for for a guy
first year starting better numbers and Baker last year. Yeah,
so the raw numbers and they're in the same spot
right there. They're in the college football playoffs just like
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they were last year. So he has basically had a
carbon copy, I would even venture to say a slightly
more excited, exciting, but carbon copy season as Baker Mayfield.
Who did win? Uh to it to me? I think
when when you had to deliver, which is championship weekend,
he just didn't rise to the occasion at the same
time Kyler Murray was avenging the loss against Texas. Don't
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want to forget about Dwayne Haskins. I think the problem
for Haskins not his fault. It's just he came on
so late that I think a lot of people had
already sort of decided that it was going to be
one of two players this year, Isn't it? Isn't it
weird that when we we we we talked, we talked
Kyler Murray and we say this about him, And when
you start thinking we're would the team be without him?
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You always think about who's behind him? But I keep
in my head, I keep thinking about who was in
front of him. So last year, they were exactly where
they're at with Baker may Field. And when you look
at Alabama last year, they're exactly what they were with
Jalen Hurts. They're they're in they both teams are in
the same spot. So it's really hard to to really
say which quarterback elevated their team and made them better.
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And we can't use the backup their backups. We have
to use who played in front of him last year,
and the two guys that played in front of him
last year. I mean you have to look at what
what Hurts did. I mean, it's not like TWA came
in and did something that Hurts did not do. I
mean last season, Hurts had them exactly where they're there
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right now. Yeah, he's right. Here's the one thing. I'm
gonna give Dwayne Haskins some love just because I think
he's deserving as well. But I think we should invite
more players. I don't like this three now. We had
Bryce Love there last year, and I understand we I
think we need to try to They try to. Yeah,
but but here's the thing. I think Gordon to Minshew
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should have been there. You know, completion percentage over three
three thousand and eight on yards, he had his team
as a number eight ranking thirty eight touchdowns. They try
to what the kids are starting to say, no really
like yeah, you know, you know, if you really have
a chance, you know, like like for me, I had
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never been to New York City. I was like, oh
my god, yes I'm gonna go. But you know, when
you know you don't have a go to New York
City anytime, and it's it used to be a thing,
you know, it's it's it. It had being sitting in
that front row with your family being mentioned, being with
other guys. It used to be a thing. But when
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you understand that, and I keep saying this the trophy,
it's not just the best player in college football, is
the best player on the best team. It changes everything.
Do you think we should expand it? Because if you
want to talk about the pure, you know, definition of
the award, it is the best player in college football.
Should we expand it to more defensive players offensive? If
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it's the best player, if if if it is the
best player, then then yes it doesn't It should not
be the best player on the best team because it's
usually a quarterback, right that That changes everything. It puts
guys in the mix. Actually for the longest time because
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of that, the guy that won the Heisman couldn't even
play an NFL. He couldn't even he could even play,
and and and comotionals point too. I see more Heisman
moments from Kyler Murray. Then I do with TWA just
because toah, I mean, when you jump up thirty five
to nothing on ar Constrol, or you jump up thirty
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five to nothing on Tennessee. You know, granted l SU did,
they did the same type of thing, but he didn't
have a wild game. He through for about three that
the defense did take over. I mean, and now you
have a guy Dwayne Haskins forty seven touchdown passes against TCU,
Michigan State, Penn State, Michigan, and Northwestern. He completed a
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hundred and twenty five passes of attempts, seventeen hundred and
fifty six yards, seventeen touchdowns, two interceptions. I mean, those
are big time defenses. So he did his work as well.
What years Haskins? What sophomore him eligible to? Good to
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go into? I hate telling players that, but I would leave.
Do you think Cardel Jones learn my lesson? I would leave.
I think he's much better than JT. Barrett. I think
Haskins is gonna leave because if you look at the class,
and we'll get to it in in another segment, but
if you look at the class of quarterbacks, there isn't
that you know, it's not last year in terms of
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the class quarterbacks. Haskins, with a good pre draft process,
he could wind up being the first quarterback taken in
next year's draft, which wouldn't be a bad I could
see him fading because when he has a chance to
rise very quickly. Herbert didn't impress me in terms of
I'm just saying based on based on just what I've seen,
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I would leave. I mean that that kid is ready
to play pro football more than any Ohio State quarterback
that I've seen. And um and and it's just it.
It baffles me, And I don't know why. I don't
know why Urban Meyer, Nick Saban they're great at developing players.
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Who's who's the who? Who are the quarterbacks that they
have playing in the NFL. I mean other than Alex Smith,
Urban as no one? Yeah, and Nick, I mean, um well,
I didn't think it is a bad quarterback, just not
Marshals right, no elite quarterback, no elite quarterbacks has a
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better resume with t Shan at this point, and then
he's gonna have Lawrence in a couple of years exactly.
It's but I just I don't know why. Urban has
been very system oriented. Going back to the Floridaday's Bowling
Green Utah, I think there was a real system element
to it. In terms of Nick, I think he just
he undervalued the importance of the quarterback. I think he
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obviously was able to win with the power running game
with the defense. Didn't he could win with a Greg McElroy.
He he won a national championship with Jake Coker. Yeah,
he he wanted. I think Nick wanted back in the
day up until recently with Chua, he wanted that build
parcels Bill Belichick early style Giants type of offense and
run the football and and to have a game manager. Right,
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you can you can do. You can have that and
still get the best. He get the He gets the
best talent coming out of high school. I don't care
where you live. He could have had the best quarterback.
It just I don't. I don't. I do not get it.
It doesn't make sense. And if you want to say,
and a whole the SEC just developing quarterbacks, yeah, he's right.
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I mean, I mean, and it surprises me. Like if
if I'm a quarterback getting ready for the NFL, I'm
gonna go playing the best league. So I'm playing against
the best salent. They don't look at it. I think
high school kids don't look at it anymore. They look
at it. Where can I put up numbers? And where
can I And that's where I think when you when
you see the landscape of college football from the competitive
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aspect he used to be. You know what, I want
to compete against the best. It's no longer that way.
They go to seven on seven camps and they're saying,
you know what you need to do. You need to
put up numbers. Where can I put up numbers? And
that's why these big twelve pack twelve, Big twelve, you
know big. There's some schools I want to see if if, if,
if the passing quarterbacks start considering Alabama. Now that you
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see what Too has done. Has got a younger brother
who who from what I hear to his younger brothers
to supposed to be bet or even if he's just
almost good. I thought I thought going from New Orleans
to San Diego was like a culture Hawaii. God. Well,
we sup interest more interesting question that will pick up
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on the back and is why can't LS you get
a quarterback? I mean, if Nick could get him? Yeah,
Aubrey even think that's quarterbackers. So they got Joe Burrow.
But we'll talk about that on break Keeper. Where it is?
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on college football. Today, we're about two and a half
hours away from the kick of the two thousand and
eighteen Army Navy game, breaking headlines to prevent goat napping,
Navy up security around mascots to protect against Army bandits.
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Hell is that what? Yes, the Navy mascot is a goat,
so to protect from somebody stealing the goat. Today at
the game, they're upping the security from the Army so
so so so we do it. We've spent all of
this time talking about how honorable our servicemen. And now
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they've got to protect the goat, the goats for the
Army Army Navy game stealing the goats have two guys.
They have a little bit of women too, you know,
the women in terms of everybody does push ups e
opportunities right, everybody get it in. Everybody gets involved in
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the Army Navy game. You know, I know we're not
going to get it, but I would love a little
bit of snow like we had last year. The setting
last year was spectacular more important for you quarterback wise,
Malcolm Perry or how Perry has to be great for Navy.
Perry has to be great and and Perry has not
had a great season. Actually, the old line, which is
traditionally the strength of the Navy offense, has not had
a great year. If they could spring Malcolm Perry. If
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you remember at the end of last year, Perry was
he was a run on back, but he stars doesn't
running back, slop back and then move behind center to
play quarterback. They need to see that end of two
thousand and seven team Malcolm Perry today. I think Hopkins
can be average and Army wins. I don't think Perry
could be average. If Navy wants to win that that
up back Wolford. He is big. Yeah, he's leading the
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North South. He's got no wiggle, No, he no wiggle whatsoever.
You know, just put the radar on him. Go straight
forward the end zone. Back yet I go to end zone.
That's what to They bring out the special units for
the Army Navy game last year, the All Whites. I
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think they have to goat actually on the helmet, got
on the helmet and then Army is doing some sort
of red involved. Yeah. It has to do with the
one hundred year anniversary of the end of World War One.
Was um, you might know, Joe, you might this question.
Was it was it Notre Dame or Oklahoma the last
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option team to win the National Championship. I would say
Notre Dame because Tony Rice and back with that eight
eight team for the most part with West virgr and
Major Harris. Yeah. I think Oklahoma stopped when Troy Aikman
originally got there and then transferred to u c l
A when he broke his leg. But you know that's when.
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But they but they continued to Halloween in the mid eighties.
But yeah, and Charles Johnson Yeah, I think n D
was because eighty six was when they had Keith. Oh,
Keith Jackson. Did you play with Keith Jackson back? One
of the best tight against him, but he was in
the league when Yeah, one of the best time when
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he was with the Eagles, that Eagle team when they
used to wear the black cleats, fire too. When he lost.
Those two guys were it was tough to stop. Yeah,
Keith Buyers came to the Dolphins back in the day
and Jimmy Johnson did not continue the streak of his
Keith Byers actually was a pretty good passer too. Keith Buyers,
he would actually be used on halfback option occasionally. He
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was a versatile also a good receiver out of the back.
But I have to go off topic. But in NT
already off topics four, Keith Buyers played the line I
he ran without one shoe after they fell behind when
nothing against Jack Trudeau, He's running out of his shoe. Yeah,
so that's intriguing. But um, when you look at the
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quarterbacks for two thousand and eighteen, a couple of guys
that are gonna come to mind, now, will Greer Rich
just broken and break that will not play against Syracuse
terrible Will Greer with his own personal interest not going
the team route. He'll be out against Syracuse. But Will Greer,
Uh you look at Herbert for Oregon up there. Uh,
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some of these other quarterbacks depending upon if Dwayne Haskins
comes out, Drew Lock as well. At all that group,
Rich and Marshall. I mean, the one guy I would
lean to is Will Greer I think is the most
ready out of that group. I don't. I'm not sold
on Lock being an elite quarterback, inconsistent, especially against better competition,
I would agree. I mean, I like Will Greer. I
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think I love his arm, talent, love his maturity. He's married,
he has a young kid. I think he's focused. Disappointed
he's not gonna play against Syracuse. I thought that could
have been one of the more entertaining Bowl games of
the postseason. I like Will gree I'm gonna throw out
a wild card to watch in the bowl season. That's
what's fun about the Bowls, you know, I've always said,
I've said it for years. The Bowls for me and
more about next season than in his this season. This season,
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I mean, and let's talk about playoffs doesn't have a
great bearing on two thousand and eighteen, but for two
thousand and nineteen, this is advanced scouting time, whether that's
for the NFL or for college watch Daniel Jones from Duke.
Daniel Jones gonna have a very difficult decision make. He's
a junior debating whether or not he's gonna turned for
his senior season. He's trying to feel out whether or
not he's gonna be a first round pick, second round pick.
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Daniel Jones, big six, five thirty five, mobile outside the pocket.
He's the kind of kid that could really get in
the mix with the Ryan Finley's uh, the Drew Locks,
the Will Greers, and then also Dwayne Haskins, red shirt sophomore,
has a chance to leave and the way he finished
the Marshall's point, kid has a chance to go to
the NFL at this point, Askins, Yeah, asking Snow, I agree.
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I was gonna say that. I think haskins mobility is
gonna be the biggest factor for these quarterbacks on the
next level. Yeah, a guy that for whatever, he just
he looks like what you want a quarterback to look like.
And and and the kid over at Iowa, Nathan Stanley,
I just I like somebody is going to get him
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and mold him into the quarterback that they want him
to be. And I don't know why. I don't know why. Obviously,
you play four years, you start off four years, you
put up numbers, you do all the things that the
kid did up at Washington. But Jake Browning, I feel
like he's going to He's going to be a much
better pro than he is in college. I just, yes, yes,
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I think he's going if if that kid gets the
right coaching, um, you're you are going to love what
you see from him. A lot of anticipatory throws, ball
comes out early, you get receivers running the wrong route,
falling down. He's throwing some interceptions. Didn't have a lot
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around him. But if you go back to the first
two years when when when he had John Ross and
some things, boy, they were they were scary. They were scary.
He was a Heisman threat in his first season. Yes,
I'm just the kid is super smart. I could see
Jake Browning being, uh the kind of kid that has
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a tenure career in the NFL, maybe starts a handful
of games. I don't know if he's a franchise quarterback,
but I could see him so smart, so polished, so
well coached by Chris Peterson. I could see him having
a long career and being the kind of kid that
you're like, you know what, we need to bring the
backup in. We're really confident in Jake brown And to
Morsel's point about Jake Browning, his numbers fell off with
the with the loss of so they had Jen Ross
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and dats A Pattison. You know as well as anybody,
when you have four to speed on the outside, it's
very tough to double team a guy with four to
speed and then your slot receivers. So that's why he
did have forty three touchdown passes his junior season, and
then you know the production fell off h to nineteen
touchdown passes just last year and then this year just
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a one dimensional offense. I mean, they had Gaskins, but
they didn't have the speed on the perimeter and and
suffered from offensive line issues as well. I mean the concern,
I guess not the concern, but I want to bring
it up in terms of we hear NFL teams mentioned
well like Georgia known as running back You for the
most part, we have guys like Terrell Davis and now
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Sony Michelle, Nick Chubb, and Todd Gurley. But on the
whip side, where you look at a school like USC
and you look at some of the pedigree at quarterback
that came out of there, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez, John
David Booty, Matt Liner never living up to the next level.
Why is that? I'm always curious to know. Is that
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coaching Marshall in terms of that, or is that just
maybe these kids are just in the right system in college?
Um right, definitely right system in college when you move
to the next level, understanding what your strengths and your
weaknesses are, and um probably probably more than anything, it's
it's the talent that's around you. If you look at
those guys, the quarterbacks that you mentioned, look at the
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wide receivers and running backs in offensive line that played
with them, guys that went to the league and and
and definitely the offensive lineman and some of the receivers
they played a long time, had good, healthy careers. I
mean it it's the talent around you. At quarterback. I
mean there's there's there's just not many Tom Brady's that
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it just doesn't matter who you plug and play in there,
they're going to put up numbers. There's just not many
guys like that. It is the talent around you when
you're at quarterback. It's intriguing because a couple of guys
that I think of now, because the landscape of college football,
we said that the mobility factor. So obviously Haskins is
a mobile threat. Will Greer I think out of that group,
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Lock Greer and Herbert has the best pocket presence out
of all three of those players. So that's why I
leaned to Greer, but a couple of other players that
that intrigued me. And when I broke down, you know,
possibly moving on what Eric Dungey the way he's performed
with Syracuse, his mobility Now, he runs the football way
too much. He takes a lot of you know, the
biggest problem. But I think on the next level, I
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think he could be better than Ryan Nasson was a
few years ago. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Eric Dunzey.
The knock on him and when he gets evaluated is
going to be durability. He takes a lot of punishment,
doesn't slide, He'll go in head first and because of
that multiple concussions as well. I mean, those will be
the red flags for Dungee. It I have nothing to
do with his physical ability. It will be nothing to
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do with his harder, his passion. It'll be his durability
and the concussion issues that he has. I like that
Marshall brought up Nathan Stanley. That's a quarterback that we
both like. Hasn't had great wide receivers you want to
talk about supporting cast has the two great tight ends
and Noah Fanton t J. Hockenson, but the receivers are average.
When he gets to the NFL and he realizes, oh
wait a second, I got a six three guy here
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who can run four four, five. Now you could really
maximize his arm potential. Didn't happen at Iowa, but could
have a very bright future. And the way Bethard's played
for San Francisco, He's hurt this year, gave way to
Nick Mullins, but the Bethard showed some success within the system.
And and I would think that the reason why you
like Iowa quarterbacks as well and the way they've transitioned
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is because they do utilize the tight end. At the
next level, they utilize the tight end. You can tell
that they're well coached um Stanley and and and I
and I look at both of the guys. That's why
I keep and browning. They are going to at the combine.
They're gonna throw, They're gonna amaze you. They're gonna and
when you get them up on the board, they're gonna
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While some gms with with their abilities to to to
explain their offense, to to tell you what which which coverages?
UH can stop a play or to give you an
option of Okay, they're playing this coverage, draw me up
a play to beat this coverage, They're going to be
able to to to get up on the board and
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really wow you. And as for the mobile quarterback, I mean,
you know, I understand how we feel you can run
the ball too much. Well, Lamar Jackson is doing in
Baltimore is really opening some doors for some guys whom
maybe thought of, Hey, you run the ball too much,
and and and and if you have a number two,
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and your number two happens to be Joe Flacco, right now,
you're okay with that. You're okay with winning ball games.
How you can win football games. It's it's the league.
The league is really changing. And and and a non
mobile quarterback is going to be about as as as
as relevant as a dinosaur full Yeah, it's like you
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cannot it's it's it's hard to pass protect for that long.
You have to buy time the quarterback. It's just the
must that you're a mobile and and you know, I'm
I watch Eli when when the plays when when the
protection breaks down, he's throwing the ball away early, and
you gotta throw it away just so you don't take
this sack. You can't waste plays in the league anymore. Yeah,
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here's one guy. I know we're high on Trace McSorley.
To me, I make Aperson Taysam Hill with with because
completion percentage, You'm much not sure if he's that, if
he's you know, if he's big enough to play that role, right, Yeah,
because Taysom Hill ran I think I believe a four
to set at the come on his pro day and
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that's why he had a leap of forty three vertical jumps.
So when you could do that and you can face
specials and you could tackle, and you are more mature.
He did play at b y U, so it was
a couple of years older. Coming after a couple of
years he was he was he was. He had a
kid almost my you know those b YU players old, Hey,
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I had to play. And it was like how you're
reading I'm reading like you're reading like the you're reading
the programming like okay, freshman three kids and what what
he's a freshman like me? Where he played, I mean
those games in provo, I mean that the air. That's
that's I fell in love with Jim McMahon when he
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was at b y U And then and the question
is how, like, like, of all people to be a
quarterback at b y U, Jim McMahon, that was like,
that's like you freeze being hired by liberty like the same.
That's pretty intriguing. I mean for me it was Robbie Bosco,
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just nickmahon's just McMahon swagger as a young kid watching
him and then we're seeing him with the bear from
from the concussions, but the tastom hill I think as
a quarterback and just what they're doing with him. The
guys whom are not let's say, um, exceptional passers, there's
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a spot for you in this league now, I mean
there's a they're like the Saints have done a great
thing by creating a role for this kid, and I
love it because it's it's a whole another package. You
not only have to worry about Drew Brees on first down,
Drew Brees on second down, and then the package on
third down and what they run into the game and
the different formations. Now it's like, okay, oh so when
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number nine and number seven is in the game, we
gotta pay attention to who's that quarterback And it's just
another rink for for something college football who are athletic
right there, they maybe they ran maybe they ran the
wing tea in high school, or they ran some ran
the wing. That's funny, but but there are so many
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college quarterbacks that you just know they don't have the
passing skills there held their outstanding athletes, maybe a little
bit small, maybe they're you know, six ft six one.
But if there's a role for that kind of a
player in the NFL, there's a wrinkle in the package
that defensive coordinators have to contend with. That's powerful stuff
and it gives it gives those kids an opportunity to
make it. And let me let me um, let me
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stop talking like this, like what we are watching the
Saint do has never been done before. Um Bill Coward
did this with I mean, he did this right. He
I have to give Bill Kawer his props because he
did this. He understood the talent that Cordiale was, but
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he wasn't ready to play every down as a quarterback
and early in his career this is what he did.
It was two quarterbacks that come to mind in in
this draft, Tyler Murray I think about. I think a
Taylor Cornelius for Oklahoma State is a senior I believe,
and Nick, if he fits, Actually, Fitzgerald's a great comparison
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to Taysom Hill, a bigger guy. That's an excellent point
that there's a role for Nick Fitzgerald's that's that's your
superhero power. When we come back, we'll be talking about
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the second quarters. Hanging in there. They're moving. They got
the ball in the thirty five yard line. Only game
underway for FCS Army Navies at three o'clock. Uh, this afternoon,
so one game underway, Bowls next weekend. Bols. Can't wait
for those bowls. You think about it. Uh, we spoke
about a couple of quarterbacks in the draft, A couple
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of bowl games that are on my radar. Everybody knows
if you know me, that if I was twelve and
oh and I had to have a chance to go
to the college football Playoff, I'd say, na, I'm taking
I'm going to the Sun Bowl the Rolling Hills of Texas,
l Passo, taking my team there to play their ball game.
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But a couple of bowl games that I like under
the radar. I like this two lane game against u
L LA Fayette. I mean the job that Willie Fritz
and the crew have done six and six overall, I
think Dulan will be up and into this ballgame. They
match up very well offensive defensive lines against uh U
L Lafayette. So that's one of my favorite ones. I
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liked the Sun Bowl Stanford and Pitt But I also
like this matchup Georgia Texas. To me, I really think
this is if Georgia shakes off the hangover of not
making it to the college football Playoff. Those are my
three top bowls I mean in terms of under the
radar outside of the playoffs. Yeah, that's that's a big
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game for Texas. I mean, think about how important that
is for Tom Herman. This is the first time that
this decade where they'll have a chance to win ten games,
appear in a major bowl game. If you want to
take a step up the ladder college football hierarchy, that
is enormous for Texas. Not so George is gonna have
to really maintain their focuses and not treat that like
a constant elation game. Texas not such a problem. I
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think Texas will be really pumped for that game. What
do you have in Yeah, I got a few. I
mean off the radar games. I I always uh sort
of gravitate towards teams that I think are really pumped
to be here, small school or big school. That's why
I like that lane matchup. Yeah, you know that a
team is gonna be fired up, and that's what we
want to see in December. We want to see people
who are as excited about the bowl games as we
are to watch them. For me, I give Kentucky really
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wants this bowl game against Penn State. I like the
matchup of Josh Allen in that Kentucky defense versus Trace
McSorley and his final game Miles Sanders and that Penn
State offense, So I like Penn State Kentucky UH. For
people who like points, Wake Forest Memphis I think will
be a high scoring, very entertaining game. Dave Clawson continues
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to do a great job with his quarterbacks, doesn't matter
third string, fourth string, They're scoring points. And then on
the opposite side, you got Mike Norvelle with Darryl Henderson
in the backfield. Doak Walker Award finalist UH for people
who like defense cal versus T see you if you
like defensive, bare knuckle type games. I like that game.
And then my final two Iowa State Washington State, contrasting
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styles Perdu Auburn, and I'll tell you why. And this
is the reason why Auburn has to win this game,
because of how they flopped last year against u CF.
Auburn had a tough year. Gus malls On. On the
opposite side, he got Perdue and Jeff Bram. How badly
would Perdue want to finish the season in seven six
with a win over an Auburn team out of the SEC.
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So Perdue, you know, by maintaining and keeping Jeff Brown
and West Lafayette, I think they're headed in the right direction.
So I want to see them against Auburn, gust loses
his game. This this could be a job without that game.
I mean that that. Yes, I mean they'd be seven
and six overall, clearly an inferior opponent. Yeah. Here's the
thing too, I mean some bowls need to kick it
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up a notch. You know, back when you played Marshal
the Holiday Bowl was one of the marquis ball games.
I mean, I don't care air that if it's a
contrast in styles. I want to see a competitive game.
I don't want to see Michigan State roll over Washington
State and other teams just roll over the best. The
last game that was competitive in recent years was Wisconsin
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in usc Oh. I think that was about four or
five years ago. I mean, let's get it together. This
was one of the most dynamic. Can I just bring
up one beef just in terms of matchups? Was one
real beef I had. We couldn't have seen U C.
F Versus Florida in in in the Fiesta Bowl when
I have been better. I mean in terms of like
having that Sunshine State rivalry. I mean, you see, F
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Versus is one of the main Florida schools. I would
have preferred it over l s U. I still like
the game. But what do you think about Ohio San
Diego State. I like San Diego State in that matchup,
now breaking it down, but I just think the physicality
and I like to see Frank Solich in that battle.
I mean, Aztecs have to be happy to be bowling
in that matchup. Yeah, we we we are, and um,
it's going to be a good game. My we have
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a dilemma of which quarterback to play. I'm gonna go yes,
I agree. Um, but uh, you know, coach Long got
a decision to make their um. Just a whole bunch
of things kind of started to fall apart at the
end of the year. We had some offensive linement that
got hurt. And you lose some offensive linement up front,
and then you can't run the ball. You're relying on
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a young quarterback, and then you don't know which quarterback
to play and uh it Um very disappointing, disappointing the
end of the season for San Diego State, but happy
to be bowling and looking forward to the playing Ohio.
It should be should be a good game, a game
that I'm a game that I'm interested in and uh
and I'm only. I only want to see this game
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because because because I know the head coach very well,
and the last game that we saw him and his
team play it was like the worst showing that they
could have had. So this game here, Uh, you give him,
you of him a month to prepare and uh it's
going to be interesting. Is the Florida Michigan game. I
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want to see which Michigan team take the field. Uh
that that's going to be a very physical game and
I want to see I want to see which Michigan
team take the field. You know why I don't like
it just because you've seen it twice, Because we see
it like that. That's what bothers me about some of
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these bowl matchups. Miami Wisconsin in the Pinstripe Ball. I
was looking forward to that Bowl game. You think Miami
is gonna be into this degree whether when they couldn't
step up and Chestnut Hill, but it was a bomby
eight degrees. You know how hard that turf gets that
late December. I would think that Jonathan Taylor could run
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for four d and fifty yards in that everybody will
be on tackling in that whole family will be there too.
Two other games that came across my plate. The reason
why don't like it as much Vanderbilt Baylor. You know,
I'm all on Baylor this year because of Matt rule.
Jalen heard out for that ball game I still want
to see because both teams sort of mirror each other.
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You've got two solid quarterbacks in Shermer, which is Kyle
Shermer for the head coach from Pat Sherman's his dad.
And then you have Charlie Brewer that's stepped up and
played very well. That's a very intriguing battle. And then
the South Carolina Virginia matchup the Belt Bowl. I love
the job that Bronco menden Hall has done. They got
Bryce Perkins. Now. South Carolina stepped up in Bowl games
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in recent years under Will must lest this year. But
I like this Virginia team. I think they're they're catching points.
But I like that matchup to see how that game
plays out. Let me ask you a question, Marshall. When
we get to this time of year, I wonder sometimes
if if we overstayed or over hype some things. If
you have a six and six team like Vanderbilt and Baylor,
you know, I always think to myself if I'm an athlete,
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I really you know, seven and six feels so much
better than six and seven. Does that enter your mind?
Like we want that winning season? How does that matter?
You want to win in season. You want to senior
seniors out with the winning with the winning season, and
and and and you know when you when you're evaluating everything, Um,
as a coaching staff, you want to be able to say,
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we we had a winning season, even if it's a
seven and six season. I mean, seven and six is
better than six and seven any day. I mean, you'll
you'll you'll take it. You know, glass half full any day.
And and and yes, um, there's just something about winning
the last game that you play, even if it's a
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bowl game, even if it's your last regular season game,
and you know, winning the last game you play, Uh,
it does a lot for you, your program, the coaching staff,
getting guys motivated for the next season, the tasting, your
amount for football is good, and you're and you're looking
forward to next year. You you you kind of use
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it to your base as a we were getting better
looking forward to next year. See that's why I like
some of these mid team Like you said, the wake
Forest game. And in that Wake Forest Memphis matchup, you
have dynamic playmate because you have Henderson at the running back,
George Greg Dorts, you have you know, the quarterbacks depending
upon who plays. Newman came in on, came on in
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the end of the years. Uh freshman. Now he's got
four weeks of preparation, so you're gonna have solid matchups.
And I guess the other question I want to ask
is we've seen two coaches now Jeff Collins move on
from Georgia Tech, excuse me, from Temple to Georgia Tech.
And Scott Saderfield now move on from app State to
North Carolina. How does that affect the preparation? We've seen
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certain coaches step up, you know, uh college coaches where
their position coaches, and they make the transition win the ballgame.
But how difficult really is it for a coaching stafford
out the head guy in the in the building. It's
a challenge and and and and here's the thing. If
if I'm one of the coaches, but better yet, the
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head coach you move on, how many other coaches are
you taking? How many guys are going to stay? Um,
the guy that's that's filling in for the head coach
as the interim, Um is he a candidate to stay?
And and I've never had it happened. And I couldn't
imagine in college not having your head guy in there
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with the message it's it's just something's missing, something's always missing.
When when that's the case. Um, Like I think about
what what Green Bages did with with with Mike McCarthy,
very classy move, and I think it was just I
think it was to bridge the gap between he and
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Joe Philbin who was taken over. You want to make
sure that the players understand that, um, what type of
organization you are, he got a chance to do something
that You never get a chance when you're fired, you
get cut, you're going you don't get to talk to
the team again. Don't get the stand in front of it.
You don't get you don't get that. And I I
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don't believe that when these head coaches, when they moved on,
they're not going to have that opportunity. Yeah, that's intriguing
to to see, you know how app State because Zack
Zack Thomas solid quarterback. How are these teams gonna respond
Temple with Anthony Russel another quarterback? I mean, there's a
leadership there, but how did the kids respond in these
games situations? Because if I'm not mistaken, last year, I
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believe the only interim coach to win their bowl game
was Florida State with old Dell Hagen's over Southern mistake dominated.
Outside of that, I believe I got a double check it.
Every interim coach that took over lost their ball game
and didn't cover from the Vegas And I'm so happy
you brought it up. I mean that that's another X
factor this time of year, especially if if we start
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talking gambling angles, is you know the continuity of staff.
I mean the guy who's been coaching the bowl games
that you played head coaches, I think you've always had
any position coaches always had the continuity. Yeah, And you
know what I think d n C two A, I
think they should do something about this. Like even if
let's let's say you you you decided to take the job,
(50:11):
let's just not let's not announce it. Go coach, go
do what you need to do, because there's you have
When you sat down in my house and you came
to recruit me, you made a promise to my to
my parents that you were going to be there for me,
and you were gonna help me advance, and you were
going to do these things, and now you take another
job and you're gone. Right. Yeah, And that's interesting too
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because one quick question that I wanted to bring up
both of you is melt Tucker takes over for Colorado
new head coach Georgia. Now, we've seen Kirby Smart Jeremy
Pruitt make the transition when they're coaching staying, staying, staying
and doing due job. But that's when Alabama was in
the National championship game. You know that there is a
little bit of a difference than the Sugar Bowler. Now,
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Prue was hired after, but you know, this is the
Sugar Bowl because mel Tucker now always gotta recruit five
kids in for Colorado. Okay, it's not we're playing Texas,
so that I think that that favors Texas a little bit,
because yeah, it's it's it's not easy to do what
it's been done, but it's a lot more difficult to
do it when you're not playing for a college football playoff.
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But the question here is and and I don't want
to you know, kind of disrespect mail was Mail was Mail.
Did Mail learn and called Kurby's defense, because if if
you're Kurby, if you're at Georgia and the reason you
got the job was because of the defense you ran
in Alabama, so there's no way you're allowing Mail to
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come in and run his own defense. So it could
be an easy transition from Kurby. Just okay, I'm a yeah,
that's something. That's something that they sat down, they did
the game plan, and he said, a Mail, here, these
are the things I like on third down. These are
the things I like on first down, first and a
second now and red zone. Hey, we want to do
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these things. See that and that and to mortials, point
and get your take. I feel like coordinators are like pictures.
They got to get into a rhythm. So so somebody
could be more or less aggressive than let's say Kirby.
Kirby might blitz on second down, but Mail might play
his own. So how does that factor? If I'm if
I'm ever a head coach, I'm never having one right,
I'm gonna have dual offensive coordinators, dual defensive coordinators. Well,
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the one one date that comes to mind for me
this year's December. When we talk about coaches because one
of the aspects that we didn't have back in the
day was an early signing period. So you really can't
wait to make those decisions about coaches because you have
kids who are you're recruiting for the early signing period
that want to know, let's moving back, coaches, let's move
it back. Yeah, and that might be im possibility to
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moving back. But with the December nine as that date
for for recruiting, kids are gonna be saying like, wait
a second, I'm I'm thinking about going to Colorado. I
don't know how my coach is gonna be. Well, what's
what's the real benefit of early signing, what's the real
benefit of it? I think from the kids perspective, you
would know better than I would. I think, just to
be able to you know, have something locked down to
to not be you know, sort of debating still into February,
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where you just think before early signing they never bothered anyone. Yeah, yeah, Well,
Rich Sermonello, Marshall, Falk, I'm Joe Leasy, have a great weekend,
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College Football Today Eisman Trophy eight o'clock tonight, three players
(00:54):
will be sitting down for the hardware. Kyler Murray from Oklahoma,
who a tag of Viola from Alabama, and the long
shot Dwayne Haskins from Ohio State. Murray's the favorite guys.
I think he's minus one twenty right now to attack
of Viola is the underdog at plus one fifteen, and
then the long shot Dwayne Haskins at twenty nine to one.
(01:18):
When I broke the stats down for all three players,
interesting when you when you think about it in terms
of the Bowl perspective, you look at Dwayne Haskins and
you look at the other players like to H and
uh Kyler. Kyler played six bowl teams, so did to A,
and Dwayne Haskins did face seven Bowl opponents on the schedule. Now,
(01:41):
the forty seven touchdown passes that he just decimated offenses
this year can't be gone without question. But still give
the athleticism, I give the body of work, the leading
the team to a College football play playoff appearance over
the performance of Dwayne Haskins. Not sold on to it
because of last week. So that's why I think Kyler
(02:03):
Murray will hoist the hardware a little bit later. I
think he will, and I think he should. Uh In
in watching all of their games this season too, was
phenomenal as a passer, third down, uh, big play passer, terrific.
I mean he had he even exceeded our expectations. But
when it came down to that final weekend, I can't
(02:25):
get out of my head the fact that they still
won an SEC championship, and not only one, but rallied
against the Georgia defense with the backup quarterback. The optics
I think are bad for voters. Now A lot is
going to hinge on how many have sent their ballots
in before last weekend. It's ridiculous they should just make
it like deadline. I wouldn't even give people ballots until
after the final thing. Why can't they give I totally agree.
(02:49):
Why would you submit a ballot before the final weekend?
This is the way I look at it. Everybody has
different ways of evaluating awards. The Heisman Trophy. I asked myself,
where would Alabama be out to Quite possibly in the
same spot, But where would Oklahoma be without Kyler Murray.
I don't think they'd be in the College Football Playoff
with Austin Kendall under center. He is the most dynamic
(03:10):
player in the country. I think he deserves the human
Tromph Marshall to richest point, I mean, I agree with him. Now,
I was wrong both Haskins and Murray played seven Bowl
opponents to have played six, But I agree with that.
I mean, I don't think Oklahoma would be where they're
at without his performance. We've seen Alabama win with Jalen
(03:30):
Hurts and he did it in the SEC Championship game. Yeah,
Haskins is probably out. Let's just it's between two UH
and Murray and and I and I. If I had
a vote, UH it would my vote would go for Murray.
I I just felt like he was to be He
was the best college football player this season. Now, Tour
(03:54):
was the best college football player on the best team.
That's what he was. I mean, and and and it's
it's so hard to to quantify when when you're scoring
and it seems like meaningless touchdowns when you're at Alabama's like, okay,
what did it matter? Like they played against some some teams,
(04:18):
but defensively, he was getting the ball back in great situations.
And and it's it's just so hard, um. And I'm
probably the wrong person to be answering this question, but
when you're the best player on the best team, does
that mean you're the best player in college doesn't always,
doesn't always add up, but it gets you the votes.
(04:40):
So I feel like too is probably going to win
just because of his body of work and what Alabama like,
what he had to work with at Alabama, it's I mean,
Colin Murray had a defense that was pedestrian. I mean,
they were not that good, and and he won despite
having a bad defense. They won games almost when the
the game that they lost against Texas came down to
(05:02):
the wire. Yeah, he's to us playing with pro caliber
defense that continues to get the ball back. Shet people
down what they did to l s U. In l
s U. It didn't even look like l s U
was SEC football team. I'm I promise you they and
when they took the field, I felt like I'd only
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felt this way my rookie year. When I went the
first couple of games I watched, I was like, these
guys are big. That's what I felt like. When I
watched the Alabama I was like, there's no way that
this guy was in high school last year. If so,
what high school? It's just not possible that they breed
freshmen like that. But it's it's I think, to a win.
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But I think Murray deserves to win. How much was
put into two from last year because of the national
champions and head started without a doubt like he is
the savior, this is the guy. But that used to
be the thing with the Heisman. You know, you couldn't
just pop on the scene and win it. You had
like you had to. You had to like showcase one
year and then have a follow up in order to
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win the Heisman. Before they allowed a guy to just
pop on. That's why a freshman didn't even like when
I was coming out my freshman year. It was phenomenal.
They didn't even invite me, which as ridiculous, but as
a freshman you could not win the hidsman. It was
just it was just the thing. And and going back
to Marshall's point, we've seen this now evolved, uh in
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terms of we've seen the game evolved, but we've seen
the trophy and the awards evolved. I'll go back to
one of my favorite favorite Heisman Trophy moments back in
was the Sports Illustrated with Chuck Long, Bo Jackson and
Joe Dodak from Plymouth State. I mean, the smaller college
kids were still mentioned in the mix with the FBS
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and the Division one A players, and now it just
seems like, like to Marshall's point, team best player Now,
we've definitely now we've moved away from that as really
evaluating the players for what we see on the football.
And it's such a good point too. I mean, I'll
take nothing away from from to but you know, he's
he's surrounded by phenomenal wide receivers. He's got honestly three
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backs that are gonna play in the pros. Jacob seems
to be the best Goosh Jacobs and both of the
Harris kids. So you know he's got a great offensive line.
Jonah Williams just was up for the you know, the
Outland Trophy. Um, so he said, defense gets some the
ball back quickly and then the other point to and
I'm not knocking him, it's it's just the circumstance. But
Kyler Murray had to be clutched because his defense forced
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him to have to be clutched. There were games in
which he had to deliver late in big moments too.
Would never had that opportunity because they were crushing opposing team.
So there were never any Heisman moments. There were never
any big fourth quarter rallies. And then when he was
thrust into that situation against Georgia, his backout, his backup
bail him out. That's a tough recipe for a Heisman Trophy,
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it is. But if you go with the best player
on the best team, as they do often you you
you end up with two A winning, which is which
is which is what is probably going to happen. I mean,
it's uh and and and I'm not I just want
the Hisman people to know I'm not taking a shot
at them. They want big school guys. I mean, that's
what they want. They want that, that's what they go for.
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That you know, that attention that comes with that. Um,
having the guy on the best team you rank number one,
win the Heisman, and give the heisman the attention that
you get. That that's that's what they want. I mean,
I don't know if if Kyler Murray I couldn't do
it this year? Um, I mean, what do you have
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to do if if you're if you're a kid at
Oklahoma and and what what do you have to do?
I mean, I understand what Baker did is but but
what do you have to do if you're Kyler Murray?
This this is an exceptional year for for a guy
first year starting better numbers and Baker last year. Yeah,
so the raw numbers and they're in the same spot
right there. They're in the college football playoffs just like
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they were last year. So he has basically had a
carbon copy, I would even venture to say a slightly
more excited, exciting, but carbon copy season as Baker Mayfield.
Who did win? Uh to it to me? I think
when when you had to deliver, which is championship weekend,
he just didn't rise to the occasion at the same
time Kyler Murray was avenging the loss against Texas. Don't
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want to forget about Dwayne Haskins. I think the problem
for Haskins not his fault. It's just he came on
so late that I think a lot of people had
already sort of decided that it was going to be
one of two players this year, Isn't it? Isn't it
weird that when we we we we talked, we talked
Kyler Murray and we say this about him, And when
you start thinking we're would the team be without him?
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You always think about who's behind him? But I keep
in my head, I keep thinking about who was in
front of him. So last year, they were exactly where
they're at with Baker may Field. And when you look
at Alabama last year, they're exactly what they were with
Jalen Hurts. They're they're in they both teams are in
the same spot. So it's really hard to to really
say which quarterback elevated their team and made them better.
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And we can't use the backup their backups. We have
to use who played in front of him last year,
and the two guys that played in front of him
last year. I mean you have to look at what
what Hurts did. I mean, it's not like TWA came
in and did something that Hurts did not do. I
mean last season, Hurts had them exactly where they're there
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right now. Yeah, he's right. Here's the one thing. I'm
gonna give Dwayne Haskins some love just because I think
he's deserving as well. But I think we should invite
more players. I don't like this three now. We had
Bryce Love there last year, and I understand we I
think we need to try to They try to. Yeah,
but but here's the thing. I think Gordon to Minshew
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should have been there. You know, completion percentage over three
three thousand and eight on yards, he had his team
as a number eight ranking thirty eight touchdowns. They try
to what the kids are starting to say, no really
like yeah, you know, you know, if you really have
a chance, you know, like like for me, I had
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never been to New York City. I was like, oh
my god, yes I'm gonna go. But you know, when
you know you don't have a go to New York
City anytime, and it's it used to be a thing,
you know, it's it's it. It had being sitting in
that front row with your family being mentioned, being with
other guys. It used to be a thing. But when
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you understand that, and I keep saying this the trophy,
it's not just the best player in college football, is
the best player on the best team. It changes everything.
Do you think we should expand it? Because if you
want to talk about the pure, you know, definition of
the award, it is the best player in college football.
Should we expand it to more defensive players offensive? If
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it's the best player, if if if it is the
best player, then then yes it doesn't It should not
be the best player on the best team because it's
usually a quarterback, right that That changes everything. It puts
guys in the mix. Actually for the longest time because
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of that, the guy that won the Heisman couldn't even
play an NFL. He couldn't even he could even play,
and and and comotionals point too. I see more Heisman
moments from Kyler Murray. Then I do with TWA just
because toah, I mean, when you jump up thirty five
to nothing on ar Constrol, or you jump up thirty
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five to nothing on Tennessee. You know, granted l SU did,
they did the same type of thing, but he didn't
have a wild game. He through for about three that
the defense did take over. I mean, and now you
have a guy Dwayne Haskins forty seven touchdown passes against TCU,
Michigan State, Penn State, Michigan, and Northwestern. He completed a
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hundred and twenty five passes of attempts, seventeen hundred and
fifty six yards, seventeen touchdowns, two interceptions. I mean, those
are big time defenses. So he did his work as well.
What years Haskins? What sophomore him eligible to? Good to
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go into? I hate telling players that, but I would leave.
Do you think Cardel Jones learn my lesson? I would leave.
I think he's much better than JT. Barrett. I think
Haskins is gonna leave because if you look at the class,
and we'll get to it in in another segment, but
if you look at the class of quarterbacks, there isn't
that you know, it's not last year in terms of
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the class quarterbacks. Haskins, with a good pre draft process,
he could wind up being the first quarterback taken in
next year's draft, which wouldn't be a bad I could
see him fading because when he has a chance to
rise very quickly. Herbert didn't impress me in terms of
I'm just saying based on based on just what I've seen,
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I would leave. I mean that that kid is ready
to play pro football more than any Ohio State quarterback
that I've seen. And um and and it's just it.
It baffles me, And I don't know why. I don't
know why Urban Meyer, Nick Saban they're great at developing players.
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Who's who's the who? Who are the quarterbacks that they
have playing in the NFL. I mean other than Alex Smith,
Urban as no one? Yeah, and Nick, I mean, um well,
I didn't think it is a bad quarterback, just not
Marshals right, no elite quarterback, no elite quarterbacks has a
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better resume with t Shan at this point, and then
he's gonna have Lawrence in a couple of years exactly.
It's but I just I don't know why. Urban has
been very system oriented. Going back to the Floridaday's Bowling
Green Utah, I think there was a real system element
to it. In terms of Nick, I think he just
he undervalued the importance of the quarterback. I think he
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obviously was able to win with the power running game
with the defense. Didn't he could win with a Greg McElroy.
He he won a national championship with Jake Coker. Yeah,
he he wanted. I think Nick wanted back in the
day up until recently with Chua, he wanted that build
parcels Bill Belichick early style Giants type of offense and
run the football and and to have a game manager. Right,
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you can you can do. You can have that and
still get the best. He get the He gets the
best talent coming out of high school. I don't care
where you live. He could have had the best quarterback.
It just I don't. I don't. I do not get it.
It doesn't make sense. And if you want to say,
and a whole the SEC just developing quarterbacks, yeah, he's right.
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I mean, I mean, and it surprises me. Like if
if I'm a quarterback getting ready for the NFL, I'm
gonna go playing the best league. So I'm playing against
the best salent. They don't look at it. I think
high school kids don't look at it anymore. They look
at it. Where can I put up numbers? And where
can I And that's where I think when you when
you see the landscape of college football from the competitive
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aspect he used to be. You know what, I want
to compete against the best. It's no longer that way.
They go to seven on seven camps and they're saying,
you know what you need to do. You need to
put up numbers. Where can I put up numbers? And
that's why these big twelve pack twelve, Big twelve, you
know big. There's some schools I want to see if if, if,
if the passing quarterbacks start considering Alabama. Now that you
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see what Too has done. Has got a younger brother
who who from what I hear to his younger brothers
to supposed to be bet or even if he's just
almost good. I thought I thought going from New Orleans
to San Diego was like a culture Hawaii. God. Well,
we sup interest more interesting question that will pick up
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on the back and is why can't LS you get
a quarterback? I mean, if Nick could get him? Yeah,
Aubrey even think that's quarterbackers. So they got Joe Burrow.
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on college football. Today, we're about two and a half
hours away from the kick of the two thousand and
eighteen Army Navy game, breaking headlines to prevent goat napping,
Navy up security around mascots to protect against Army bandits.
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Hell is that what? Yes, the Navy mascot is a goat,
so to protect from somebody stealing the goat. Today at
the game, they're upping the security from the Army so
so so so we do it. We've spent all of
this time talking about how honorable our servicemen. And now
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they've got to protect the goat, the goats for the
Army Army Navy game stealing the goats have two guys.
They have a little bit of women too, you know,
the women in terms of everybody does push ups e
opportunities right, everybody get it in. Everybody gets involved in
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the Army Navy game. You know, I know we're not
going to get it, but I would love a little
bit of snow like we had last year. The setting
last year was spectacular more important for you quarterback wise,
Malcolm Perry or how Perry has to be great for Navy.
Perry has to be great and and Perry has not
had a great season. Actually, the old line, which is
traditionally the strength of the Navy offense, has not had
a great year. If they could spring Malcolm Perry. If
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you remember at the end of last year, Perry was
he was a run on back, but he stars doesn't
running back, slop back and then move behind center to
play quarterback. They need to see that end of two
thousand and seven team Malcolm Perry today. I think Hopkins
can be average and Army wins. I don't think Perry
could be average. If Navy wants to win that that
up back Wolford. He is big. Yeah, he's leading the
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North South. He's got no wiggle, No, he no wiggle whatsoever.
You know, just put the radar on him. Go straight
forward the end zone. Back yet I go to end zone.
That's what to They bring out the special units for
the Army Navy game last year, the All Whites. I
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think they have to goat actually on the helmet, got
on the helmet and then Army is doing some sort
of red involved. Yeah. It has to do with the
one hundred year anniversary of the end of World War One.
Was um, you might know, Joe, you might this question.
Was it was it Notre Dame or Oklahoma the last
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option team to win the National Championship. I would say
Notre Dame because Tony Rice and back with that eight
eight team for the most part with West virgr and
Major Harris. Yeah. I think Oklahoma stopped when Troy Aikman
originally got there and then transferred to u c l
A when he broke his leg. But you know that's when.
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But they but they continued to Halloween in the mid eighties.
But yeah, and Charles Johnson Yeah, I think n D
was because eighty six was when they had Keith. Oh,
Keith Jackson. Did you play with Keith Jackson back? One
of the best tight against him, but he was in
the league when Yeah, one of the best time when
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he was with the Eagles, that Eagle team when they
used to wear the black cleats, fire too. When he lost.
Those two guys were it was tough to stop. Yeah,
Keith Buyers came to the Dolphins back in the day
and Jimmy Johnson did not continue the streak of his
Keith Byers actually was a pretty good passer too. Keith Buyers,
he would actually be used on halfback option occasionally. He
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was a versatile also a good receiver out of the back.
But I have to go off topic. But in NT
already off topics four, Keith Buyers played the line I
he ran without one shoe after they fell behind when
nothing against Jack Trudeau, He's running out of his shoe. Yeah,
so that's intriguing. But um, when you look at the
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quarterbacks for two thousand and eighteen, a couple of guys
that are gonna come to mind, now, will Greer Rich
just broken and break that will not play against Syracuse
terrible Will Greer with his own personal interest not going
the team route. He'll be out against Syracuse. But Will Greer,
Uh you look at Herbert for Oregon up there. Uh,
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some of these other quarterbacks depending upon if Dwayne Haskins
comes out, Drew Lock as well. At all that group,
Rich and Marshall. I mean, the one guy I would
lean to is Will Greer I think is the most
ready out of that group. I don't. I'm not sold
on Lock being an elite quarterback, inconsistent, especially against better competition,
I would agree. I mean, I like Will Greer. I
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think I love his arm, talent, love his maturity. He's married,
he has a young kid. I think he's focused. Disappointed
he's not gonna play against Syracuse. I thought that could
have been one of the more entertaining Bowl games of
the postseason. I like Will gree I'm gonna throw out
a wild card to watch in the bowl season. That's
what's fun about the Bowls, you know, I've always said,
I've said it for years. The Bowls for me and
more about next season than in his this season. This season,
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I mean, and let's talk about playoffs doesn't have a
great bearing on two thousand and eighteen, but for two
thousand and nineteen, this is advanced scouting time, whether that's
for the NFL or for college watch Daniel Jones from Duke.
Daniel Jones gonna have a very difficult decision make. He's
a junior debating whether or not he's gonna turned for
his senior season. He's trying to feel out whether or
not he's gonna be a first round pick, second round pick.
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Daniel Jones, big six, five thirty five, mobile outside the pocket.
He's the kind of kid that could really get in
the mix with the Ryan Finley's uh, the Drew Locks,
the Will Greers, and then also Dwayne Haskins, red shirt sophomore,
has a chance to leave and the way he finished
the Marshall's point, kid has a chance to go to
the NFL at this point, Askins, Yeah, asking Snow, I agree.
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I was gonna say that. I think haskins mobility is
gonna be the biggest factor for these quarterbacks on the
next level. Yeah, a guy that for whatever, he just
he looks like what you want a quarterback to look like.
And and and the kid over at Iowa, Nathan Stanley,
I just I like somebody is going to get him
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and mold him into the quarterback that they want him
to be. And I don't know why. I don't know why. Obviously,
you play four years, you start off four years, you
put up numbers, you do all the things that the
kid did up at Washington. But Jake Browning, I feel
like he's going to He's going to be a much
better pro than he is in college. I just, yes, yes,
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I think he's going if if that kid gets the
right coaching, um, you're you are going to love what
you see from him. A lot of anticipatory throws, ball
comes out early, you get receivers running the wrong route,
falling down. He's throwing some interceptions. Didn't have a lot
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around him. But if you go back to the first
two years when when when he had John Ross and
some things, boy, they were they were scary. They were scary.
He was a Heisman threat in his first season. Yes,
I'm just the kid is super smart. I could see
Jake Browning being, uh the kind of kid that has
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a tenure career in the NFL, maybe starts a handful
of games. I don't know if he's a franchise quarterback,
but I could see him so smart, so polished, so
well coached by Chris Peterson. I could see him having
a long career and being the kind of kid that
you're like, you know what, we need to bring the
backup in. We're really confident in Jake brown And to
Morsel's point about Jake Browning, his numbers fell off with
the with the loss of so they had Jen Ross
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and dats A Pattison. You know as well as anybody,
when you have four to speed on the outside, it's
very tough to double team a guy with four to
speed and then your slot receivers. So that's why he
did have forty three touchdown passes his junior season, and
then you know the production fell off h to nineteen
touchdown passes just last year and then this year just
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a one dimensional offense. I mean, they had Gaskins, but
they didn't have the speed on the perimeter and and
suffered from offensive line issues as well. I mean the concern,
I guess not the concern, but I want to bring
it up in terms of we hear NFL teams mentioned
well like Georgia known as running back You for the
most part, we have guys like Terrell Davis and now
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Sony Michelle, Nick Chubb, and Todd Gurley. But on the
whip side, where you look at a school like USC
and you look at some of the pedigree at quarterback
that came out of there, Matt Barkley, Mark Sanchez, John
David Booty, Matt Liner never living up to the next level.
Why is that? I'm always curious to know. Is that
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coaching Marshall in terms of that, or is that just
maybe these kids are just in the right system in college?
Um right, definitely right system in college when you move
to the next level, understanding what your strengths and your
weaknesses are, and um probably probably more than anything, it's
it's the talent that's around you. If you look at
those guys, the quarterbacks that you mentioned, look at the
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wide receivers and running backs in offensive line that played
with them, guys that went to the league and and
and definitely the offensive lineman and some of the receivers
they played a long time, had good, healthy careers. I
mean it it's the talent around you. At quarterback. I
mean there's there's there's just not many Tom Brady's that
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it just doesn't matter who you plug and play in there,
they're going to put up numbers. There's just not many
guys like that. It is the talent around you when
you're at quarterback. It's intriguing because a couple of guys
that I think of now, because the landscape of college football,
we said that the mobility factor. So obviously Haskins is
a mobile threat. Will Greer I think out of that group,
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Lock Greer and Herbert has the best pocket presence out
of all three of those players. So that's why I
leaned to Greer, but a couple of other players that
that intrigued me. And when I broke down, you know,
possibly moving on what Eric Dungey the way he's performed
with Syracuse, his mobility Now, he runs the football way
too much. He takes a lot of you know, the
biggest problem. But I think on the next level, I
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think he could be better than Ryan Nasson was a
few years ago. Yeah, I'm a big fan of Eric Dunzey.
The knock on him and when he gets evaluated is
going to be durability. He takes a lot of punishment,
doesn't slide, He'll go in head first and because of
that multiple concussions as well. I mean, those will be
the red flags for Dungee. It I have nothing to
do with his physical ability. It will be nothing to
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do with his harder, his passion. It'll be his durability
and the concussion issues that he has. I like that
Marshall brought up Nathan Stanley. That's a quarterback that we
both like. Hasn't had great wide receivers you want to
talk about supporting cast has the two great tight ends
and Noah Fanton t J. Hockenson, but the receivers are average.
When he gets to the NFL and he realizes, oh
wait a second, I got a six three guy here
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who can run four four, five. Now you could really
maximize his arm potential. Didn't happen at Iowa, but could
have a very bright future. And the way Bethard's played
for San Francisco, He's hurt this year, gave way to
Nick Mullins, but the Bethard showed some success within the system.
And and I would think that the reason why you
like Iowa quarterbacks as well and the way they've transitioned
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is because they do utilize the tight end. At the
next level, they utilize the tight end. You can tell
that they're well coached um Stanley and and and I
and I look at both of the guys. That's why
I keep and browning. They are going to at the combine.
They're gonna throw, They're gonna amaze you. They're gonna and
when you get them up on the board, they're gonna
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While some gms with with their abilities to to to
explain their offense, to to tell you what which which coverages?
UH can stop a play or to give you an
option of Okay, they're playing this coverage, draw me up
a play to beat this coverage, They're going to be
able to to to get up on the board and
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really wow you. And as for the mobile quarterback, I mean,
you know, I understand how we feel you can run
the ball too much. Well, Lamar Jackson is doing in
Baltimore is really opening some doors for some guys whom
maybe thought of, Hey, you run the ball too much,
and and and and if you have a number two,
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and your number two happens to be Joe Flacco, right now,
you're okay with that. You're okay with winning ball games.
How you can win football games. It's it's the league.
The league is really changing. And and and a non
mobile quarterback is going to be about as as as
as relevant as a dinosaur full Yeah, it's like you
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cannot it's it's it's hard to pass protect for that long.
You have to buy time the quarterback. It's just the
must that you're a mobile and and you know, I'm
I watch Eli when when the plays when when the
protection breaks down, he's throwing the ball away early, and
you gotta throw it away just so you don't take
this sack. You can't waste plays in the league anymore. Yeah,
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here's one guy. I know we're high on Trace McSorley.
To me, I make Aperson Taysam Hill with with because
completion percentage, You'm much not sure if he's that, if
he's you know, if he's big enough to play that role, right, Yeah,
because Taysom Hill ran I think I believe a four
to set at the come on his pro day and
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that's why he had a leap of forty three vertical jumps.
So when you could do that and you can face
specials and you could tackle, and you are more mature.
He did play at b y U, so it was
a couple of years older. Coming after a couple of
years he was he was he was. He had a
kid almost my you know those b YU players old, Hey,
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I had to play. And it was like how you're
reading I'm reading like you're reading like the you're reading
the programming like okay, freshman three kids and what what
he's a freshman like me? Where he played, I mean
those games in provo, I mean that the air. That's
that's I fell in love with Jim McMahon when he
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was at b y U And then and the question
is how, like, like, of all people to be a
quarterback at b y U, Jim McMahon, that was like,
that's like you freeze being hired by liberty like the same.
That's pretty intriguing. I mean for me it was Robbie Bosco,
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just nickmahon's just McMahon swagger as a young kid watching
him and then we're seeing him with the bear from
from the concussions, but the tastom hill I think as
a quarterback and just what they're doing with him. The
guys whom are not let's say, um, exceptional passers, there's
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a spot for you in this league now, I mean
there's a they're like the Saints have done a great
thing by creating a role for this kid, and I
love it because it's it's a whole another package. You
not only have to worry about Drew Brees on first down,
Drew Brees on second down, and then the package on
third down and what they run into the game and
the different formations. Now it's like, okay, oh so when
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number nine and number seven is in the game, we
gotta pay attention to who's that quarterback And it's just
another rink for for something college football who are athletic
right there, they maybe they ran maybe they ran the
wing tea in high school, or they ran some ran
the wing. That's funny, but but there are so many
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college quarterbacks that you just know they don't have the
passing skills there held their outstanding athletes, maybe a little
bit small, maybe they're you know, six ft six one.
But if there's a role for that kind of a
player in the NFL, there's a wrinkle in the package
that defensive coordinators have to contend with. That's powerful stuff
and it gives it gives those kids an opportunity to
make it. And let me let me um, let me
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stop talking like this, like what we are watching the
Saint do has never been done before. Um Bill Coward
did this with I mean, he did this right. He
I have to give Bill Kawer his props because he
did this. He understood the talent that Cordiale was, but
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he wasn't ready to play every down as a quarterback
and early in his career this is what he did.
It was two quarterbacks that come to mind in in
this draft, Tyler Murray I think about. I think a
Taylor Cornelius for Oklahoma State is a senior I believe,
and Nick, if he fits, Actually, Fitzgerald's a great comparison
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to Taysom Hill, a bigger guy. That's an excellent point
that there's a role for Nick Fitzgerald's that's that's your
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the second quarters. Hanging in there. They're moving. They got
the ball in the thirty five yard line. Only game
underway for FCS Army Navies at three o'clock. Uh, this afternoon,
so one game underway, Bowls next weekend. Bols. Can't wait
for those bowls. You think about it. Uh, we spoke
about a couple of quarterbacks in the draft, A couple
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of bowl games that are on my radar. Everybody knows
if you know me, that if I was twelve and
oh and I had to have a chance to go
to the college football Playoff, I'd say, na, I'm taking
I'm going to the Sun Bowl the Rolling Hills of Texas,
l Passo, taking my team there to play their ball game.
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But a couple of bowl games that I like under
the radar. I like this two lane game against u
L LA Fayette. I mean the job that Willie Fritz
and the crew have done six and six overall, I
think Dulan will be up and into this ballgame. They
match up very well offensive defensive lines against uh U
L Lafayette. So that's one of my favorite ones. I
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liked the Sun Bowl Stanford and Pitt But I also
like this matchup Georgia Texas. To me, I really think
this is if Georgia shakes off the hangover of not
making it to the college football Playoff. Those are my
three top bowls I mean in terms of under the
radar outside of the playoffs. Yeah, that's that's a big
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game for Texas. I mean, think about how important that
is for Tom Herman. This is the first time that
this decade where they'll have a chance to win ten games,
appear in a major bowl game. If you want to
take a step up the ladder college football hierarchy, that
is enormous for Texas. Not so George is gonna have
to really maintain their focuses and not treat that like
a constant elation game. Texas not such a problem. I
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think Texas will be really pumped for that game. What
do you have in Yeah, I got a few. I
mean off the radar games. I I always uh sort
of gravitate towards teams that I think are really pumped
to be here, small school or big school. That's why
I like that lane matchup. Yeah, you know that a
team is gonna be fired up, and that's what we
want to see in December. We want to see people
who are as excited about the bowl games as we
are to watch them. For me, I give Kentucky really
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wants this bowl game against Penn State. I like the
matchup of Josh Allen in that Kentucky defense versus Trace
McSorley and his final game Miles Sanders and that Penn
State offense, So I like Penn State Kentucky UH. For
people who like points, Wake Forest Memphis I think will
be a high scoring, very entertaining game. Dave Clawson continues
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to do a great job with his quarterbacks, doesn't matter
third string, fourth string, They're scoring points. And then on
the opposite side, you got Mike Norvelle with Darryl Henderson
in the backfield. Doak Walker Award finalist UH for people
who like defense cal versus T see you if you
like defensive, bare knuckle type games. I like that game.
And then my final two Iowa State Washington State, contrasting
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styles Perdu Auburn, and I'll tell you why. And this
is the reason why Auburn has to win this game,
because of how they flopped last year against u CF.
Auburn had a tough year. Gus malls On. On the
opposite side, he got Perdue and Jeff Bram. How badly
would Perdue want to finish the season in seven six
with a win over an Auburn team out of the SEC.
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So Perdue, you know, by maintaining and keeping Jeff Brown
and West Lafayette, I think they're headed in the right direction.
So I want to see them against Auburn, gust loses
his game. This this could be a job without that game.
I mean that that. Yes, I mean they'd be seven
and six overall, clearly an inferior opponent. Yeah. Here's the
thing too, I mean some bowls need to kick it
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up a notch. You know, back when you played Marshal
the Holiday Bowl was one of the marquis ball games.
I mean, I don't care air that if it's a
contrast in styles. I want to see a competitive game.
I don't want to see Michigan State roll over Washington
State and other teams just roll over the best. The
last game that was competitive in recent years was Wisconsin
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in usc Oh. I think that was about four or
five years ago. I mean, let's get it together. This
was one of the most dynamic. Can I just bring
up one beef just in terms of matchups? Was one
real beef I had. We couldn't have seen U C.
F Versus Florida in in in the Fiesta Bowl when
I have been better. I mean in terms of like
having that Sunshine State rivalry. I mean, you see, F
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Versus is one of the main Florida schools. I would
have preferred it over l s U. I still like
the game. But what do you think about Ohio San
Diego State. I like San Diego State in that matchup,
now breaking it down, but I just think the physicality
and I like to see Frank Solich in that battle.
I mean, Aztecs have to be happy to be bowling
in that matchup. Yeah, we we we are, and um,
it's going to be a good game. My we have
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a dilemma of which quarterback to play. I'm gonna go yes,
I agree. Um, but uh, you know, coach Long got
a decision to make their um. Just a whole bunch
of things kind of started to fall apart at the
end of the year. We had some offensive linement that
got hurt. And you lose some offensive linement up front,
and then you can't run the ball. You're relying on
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a young quarterback, and then you don't know which quarterback
to play and uh it Um very disappointing, disappointing the
end of the season for San Diego State, but happy
to be bowling and looking forward to the playing Ohio.
It should be should be a good game, a game
that I'm a game that I'm interested in and uh
and I'm only. I only want to see this game
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because because because I know the head coach very well,
and the last game that we saw him and his
team play it was like the worst showing that they
could have had. So this game here, Uh, you give him,
you of him a month to prepare and uh it's
going to be interesting. Is the Florida Michigan game. I
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want to see which Michigan team take the field. Uh
that that's going to be a very physical game and
I want to see I want to see which Michigan
team take the field. You know why I don't like
it just because you've seen it twice, Because we see
it like that. That's what bothers me about some of
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these bowl matchups. Miami Wisconsin in the Pinstripe Ball. I
was looking forward to that Bowl game. You think Miami
is gonna be into this degree whether when they couldn't
step up and Chestnut Hill, but it was a bomby
eight degrees. You know how hard that turf gets that
late December. I would think that Jonathan Taylor could run
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for four d and fifty yards in that everybody will
be on tackling in that whole family will be there too.
Two other games that came across my plate. The reason
why don't like it as much Vanderbilt Baylor. You know,
I'm all on Baylor this year because of Matt rule.
Jalen heard out for that ball game I still want
to see because both teams sort of mirror each other.
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You've got two solid quarterbacks in Shermer, which is Kyle
Shermer for the head coach from Pat Sherman's his dad.
And then you have Charlie Brewer that's stepped up and
played very well. That's a very intriguing battle. And then
the South Carolina Virginia matchup the Belt Bowl. I love
the job that Bronco menden Hall has done. They got
Bryce Perkins. Now. South Carolina stepped up in Bowl games
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in recent years under Will must lest this year. But
I like this Virginia team. I think they're they're catching points.
But I like that matchup to see how that game
plays out. Let me ask you a question, Marshall. When
we get to this time of year, I wonder sometimes
if if we overstayed or over hype some things. If
you have a six and six team like Vanderbilt and Baylor,
you know, I always think to myself if I'm an athlete,
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I really you know, seven and six feels so much
better than six and seven. Does that enter your mind?
Like we want that winning season? How does that matter?
You want to win in season. You want to senior
seniors out with the winning with the winning season, and
and and and you know when you when you're evaluating everything, Um,
as a coaching staff, you want to be able to say,
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we we had a winning season, even if it's a
seven and six season. I mean, seven and six is
better than six and seven any day. I mean, you'll
you'll you'll take it. You know, glass half full any day.
And and and yes, um, there's just something about winning
the last game that you play, even if it's a
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bowl game, even if it's your last regular season game,
and you know, winning the last game you play, Uh,
it does a lot for you, your program, the coaching staff,
getting guys motivated for the next season, the tasting, your
amount for football is good, and you're and you're looking
forward to next year. You you you kind of use
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it to your base as a we were getting better
looking forward to next year. See that's why I like
some of these mid team Like you said, the wake
Forest game. And in that Wake Forest Memphis matchup, you
have dynamic playmate because you have Henderson at the running back,
George Greg Dorts, you have you know, the quarterbacks depending
upon who plays. Newman came in on, came on in
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the end of the years. Uh freshman. Now he's got
four weeks of preparation, so you're gonna have solid matchups.
And I guess the other question I want to ask
is we've seen two coaches now Jeff Collins move on
from Georgia Tech, excuse me, from Temple to Georgia Tech.
And Scott Saderfield now move on from app State to
North Carolina. How does that affect the preparation? We've seen
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certain coaches step up, you know, uh college coaches where
their position coaches, and they make the transition win the ballgame.
But how difficult really is it for a coaching stafford
out the head guy in the in the building. It's
a challenge and and and and here's the thing. If
if I'm one of the coaches, but better yet, the
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head coach you move on, how many other coaches are
you taking? How many guys are going to stay? Um,
the guy that's that's filling in for the head coach
as the interim, Um is he a candidate to stay?
And and I've never had it happened. And I couldn't
imagine in college not having your head guy in there
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with the message it's it's just something's missing, something's always missing.
When when that's the case. Um, Like I think about
what what Green Bages did with with with Mike McCarthy,
very classy move, and I think it was just I
think it was to bridge the gap between he and
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Joe Philbin who was taken over. You want to make
sure that the players understand that, um, what type of
organization you are, he got a chance to do something
that You never get a chance when you're fired, you
get cut, you're going you don't get to talk to
the team again. Don't get the stand in front of it.
You don't get you don't get that. And I I
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don't believe that when these head coaches, when they moved on,
they're not going to have that opportunity. Yeah, that's intriguing
to to see, you know how app State because Zack
Zack Thomas solid quarterback. How are these teams gonna respond
Temple with Anthony Russel another quarterback? I mean, there's a
leadership there, but how did the kids respond in these
games situations? Because if I'm not mistaken, last year, I
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believe the only interim coach to win their bowl game
was Florida State with old Dell Hagen's over Southern mistake dominated.
Outside of that, I believe I got a double check it.
Every interim coach that took over lost their ball game
and didn't cover from the Vegas And I'm so happy
you brought it up. I mean that that's another X
factor this time of year, especially if if we start
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talking gambling angles, is you know the continuity of staff.
I mean the guy who's been coaching the bowl games
that you played head coaches, I think you've always had
any position coaches always had the continuity. Yeah, And you
know what I think d n C two A, I
think they should do something about this. Like even if
let's let's say you you you decided to take the job,
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let's just not let's not announce it. Go coach, go
do what you need to do, because there's you have
When you sat down in my house and you came
to recruit me, you made a promise to my to
my parents that you were going to be there for me,
and you were gonna help me advance, and you were
going to do these things, and now you take another
job and you're gone. Right. Yeah, And that's interesting too
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because one quick question that I wanted to bring up
both of you is melt Tucker takes over for Colorado
new head coach Georgia. Now, we've seen Kirby Smart Jeremy
Pruitt make the transition when they're coaching staying, staying, staying
and doing due job. But that's when Alabama was in
the National championship game. You know that there is a
little bit of a difference than the Sugar Bowler. Now,
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Prue was hired after, but you know, this is the
Sugar Bowl because mel Tucker now always gotta recruit five
kids in for Colorado. Okay, it's not we're playing Texas,
so that I think that that favors Texas a little bit,
because yeah, it's it's it's not easy to do what
it's been done, but it's a lot more difficult to
do it when you're not playing for a college football playoff.
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But the question here is and and I don't want
to you know, kind of disrespect mail was Mail was Mail.
Did Mail learn and called Kurby's defense, because if if
you're Kurby, if you're at Georgia and the reason you
got the job was because of the defense you ran
in Alabama, so there's no way you're allowing Mail to
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come in and run his own defense. So it could
be an easy transition from Kurby. Just okay, I'm a yeah,
that's something. That's something that they sat down, they did
the game plan, and he said, a Mail, here, these
are the things I like on third down. These are
the things I like on first down, first and a
second now and red zone. Hey, we want to do
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these things. See that and that and to mortials, point
and get your take. I feel like coordinators are like pictures.
They got to get into a rhythm. So so somebody
could be more or less aggressive than let's say Kirby.
Kirby might blitz on second down, but Mail might play
his own. So how does that factor? If I'm if
I'm ever a head coach, I'm never having one right,
I'm gonna have dual offensive coordinators, dual defensive coordinators. Well,
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the one one date that comes to mind for me
this year's December. When we talk about coaches because one
of the aspects that we didn't have back in the
day was an early signing period. So you really can't
wait to make those decisions about coaches because you have
kids who are you're recruiting for the early signing period
that want to know, let's moving back, coaches, let's move
it back. Yeah, and that might be im possibility to
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moving back. But with the December nine as that date
for for recruiting, kids are gonna be saying like, wait
a second, I'm I'm thinking about going to Colorado. I
don't know how my coach is gonna be. Well, what's
what's the real benefit of early signing, what's the real
benefit of it? I think from the kids perspective, you
would know better than I would. I think, just to
be able to you know, have something locked down to
to not be you know, sort of debating still into February,
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where you just think before early signing they never bothered anyone. Yeah, yeah, Well,
Rich Sermonello, Marshall, Falk, I'm Joe Leasy, have a great weekend,
enjoy the Army Navy game, and we'll be back in
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