January 5, 2020 • 49 mins
Kevin Walsh and Davis Mattek look back on Sundays Wild Card games and preview next weeks Divisional round matchups.
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on the Sports grade. I am Kevin Walsh, filling in
for match striker Davis. Maddock is right by my side
here as we break down with the wild card around Godless.
We were almost through at the a f C. Then
we'll pop over to the NFC, but I want to
spend a little bit more time with the Titans Ravens, Davis,
just at least through uh, you know, the prison of
how you see that matchup going. We we've talked about
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a little bit throughout the show here, um, but you've
mentioned that nine and a half that sits out there
for the Ravens and how this thing could get to
ten and a half. And I said, I am usually
and it has cost me. I will wait till the
day of but I think you could be spot on,
and let's be really here, nine and a half to
ten and a half absolutely could make the difference between
winning a bet and losing a bet. Here, so I
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am interested, maybe you know, and back in Baltimore, I
agree with you that Texas number might be high. I
don't know if I feel the same way. I feel
like this Ravens team, the route could be on. I
also think that the the route could be on. In fact,
I feel pretty strongly that, uh, the route will be
on the The thing about the Titans is their game
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plan works very well when things are going great for them.
So when the Titans are ahead, when the Titans are
in a close game and they're not forced to pass
on first, second, and third down the other team is
biting on the play action, those are the about the
most elite spots as it could get right, and the
Ravens are just they're not gonna let that happen. They're
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gonna be They're gonna be up seven. Oh, it's gonna
feel like almost before the ball gets kicked off. And
you know, I also don't think Tennessee's defense is that good.
There's been a ton of situations this year where Tennessee's
defense has given up a ton of points to bad,
you know, bad offenses, non efficient passing offenses. And the
Ravens are both a very efficient passing offense and a
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very efficient rushing offense. So I think the nine and
a half number you guys are watching this right there,
and you see that nine and a half number, I
think that you should jump on it right now. Yeah,
And I'll tell you the one thing that I am
looking at and you you kind of mentioned it. They're
like the Titans and their defense, how great they are.
The totals forty eight and it is, you know, it's
right up there with with the you know, the Texas
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chief Nuwhere that I see a forty eight and a half,
I'm not mistaken. In the ten games that town Hill
started before the postseason was nine and one to the over.
I know people could say the post reason as a
different animal, but also that Patriots offense is just not
going to you know, force them to have to move
the football. I think that we could see a lot
of points in Ravens Titans, and you know early on
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a you know, a week out almost from the game.
But I think I could see myself playing that over. Yeah,
I I would. I would definitely be on the side
of an over there because you know, I think, of course,
even against a good defense, I do think the Titans
have the ability. One. They have the ability on big plays,
you know, with a J. Brown and with how Ryan
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Tanniel is so good at keeping plays alive after the
pocket breaks down, or at least he's been able to
do that this year. But also, this is a playoffs,
So Lamar Jackson, he's playing four quarters that they can
be up four, they could be up twenty. They're not
pulling Lamar Jackson. They're not They're not calling the dogs
off in a playoff game, in a home playoff game. Uh,
you know they they are. They are gonna be They're
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gonna be looking to put up forty They're gonna be
looking to score the maximum amount of points possible. So
I do think that is uh, I do think that
is a pretty big part of this. Yeah, and let's
be real here, if right, because there's gonna be people
who will be like, right, well, what if they're what
if they're up like forty two, but then the over's
gonna hit and what's gonna hit? Like that's the you
know what I mean? And and then like by a
little bit also if you think that's in play, like
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if that's your fear on not wanted to play the
total because Lamar doesn't get you all forty nine points
and play the Ravens minus nine and a half, ten
and a half alternate spread of twenty and a half,
like play every single available option out there, you know, Davis.
I also wanted to ask you in terms of how
often you know when you're bet in the NFL, do
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you play teasers? Honestly? And it's like, you know, we
right New Year right, New Year, knew me. I week
seventeen played two thirteen four team teaser thirteen point four
teen teasers and both one three and one, and I
was like, all right, I gotta stop this because you're
laying minus choose what points spreads that high? I know
typically people player at the six point of the seven
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point teasers, but it almost feels too good to be
true with the Chiefs and the Ravens both down to
you know, if you're playing seven point teasers under a
field goal, it is so attractive. Do you play teasers?
And do you think you could see yourself with those combos? Honestly?
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I I do not play teasers. I I think that
you know, teasers have they have good expected value some
of the time. But I spend so much of my
time in betting on grinding, you know, basically like kind
of like low limit prop markets, Like I like to
do a lot of in game betting. I like to
do a lot of player prop betting that you know,
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I just find those angles to be more profitable. Now,
if I was trying to get you know, twenty K
down a weekend on bets, there just wouldn't get a point, right,
There's no point and there's no point in betting, you know,
over four catches for James White if you're trying to
get that kind of money down. However, if you are
trying to you know, if you're if you're just trying
to grind out you know, a good, good recreational profit.
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I do kind of like something. I why I love
these smaller markets, like you know, play props and stuff.
But you know, I'm actually reading I'll give I'll give
a little plug here. I'm reading Ed Miller's book The
Logic of Sports Betting, and specifically in there he talks
about how, you know, a lot of intelligent sports betters are.
You know, people on Twitter they'll say, oh, well, well,
parlays are actually bad. You're not. You're not you're not
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getting good enough odds for the commisserian amount that you're risking.
But actually that's not true. You are. You are a
lot of the times actually getting good odds on on
those parlays, because all it's really doing is just rolling
up your success rate on top of one another. So
I don't I don't think that parlays and teasers are bad.
I just don't spend a ton of time on them myself. Yeah, well,
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let me ask you another question then, Actually along those lines,
it's something I extra an in game live and I'd
love your take on it, you know. Today in the
Eagles game, I was really interested in playing both Goddard
and urges over on receiving yards, feeling like at least
one of them would cash, maybe they would both cash,
just considering the receiving cores that was there. The reason
I ended up not doing it, And this is why people,
you know, you have to have different you know, places
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that you can shop. That's the ideal way, you know,
to to bet. I didn't think I was getting good numbers,
like I was asking around which you know, and people
just had significantly better numbers. I felt like them what
I was having because props can come down to very
very slight margins now the way, you know, So I
ended up not playing them. I passed. Both would have
cashed and actually with relative ease considering on the receiving
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yard days that Goddard and Earth's played. When you're looking
at grind these things out, how much of a gap
could you potentially need to see from what the rest
of the market might be showing to maybe what you're
looking at in terms of a props total. I think
that you can get massive gaps, like I I like,
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there was there was one the other night that I
was looking at and it was a it was actually
a basketball one, but I saw I saw a prop
that had a twenty five percent difference in terms of
the value you in terms of what we expected. It
was Gordon Hayward points, rebounds plus assists and it actually
lost and it was It's kind of funny, and it
just anytime you get these bets that you think are
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like ore are the Golden Goose, it wasn't against the Kemba.
Walker was out and it was yeah, yeah, his rebounds,
his rebounds, points plus assists was twenty eight and a half,
which is like, I mean, that was like it was
like seven or eight off from the number that we
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had on Daily Roado dot com. And it didn't hit.
But that just gives you an example of like how
and and it's not to say it's bad because the
like the books are not sweating it that much, but
there's definitely edged to be had. That's so funny that
that it's the only Hayward probably played. But I also
it's like Kemba's out, like I could see it. You know,
you look through some some of the projections, you only
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I one assists like that was the real killer with that.
That's so funny you bring that up. All right, we
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All right, we are back here on Pro football rewind
gonna start to break into the NFC wild Card round.
But I will also be selfish Davis. At any point,
you got any Laker Pistons props you're playing, throw them
out there. But let's start with the Vikings and the
Saints game twenty The Vikings win, and um man, this
was crazy, Like, there's so many different reasons why this
was improbable, and one of the best ways I think
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to represent how unlikely this was. They were people out
there who said, I'm taking the point spread with the Vikings.
I just think it's a little too many points to
be laying in the postseason. While the Saints went at home,
they haven't necessarily been throttling teams at home. But you
weren't really hearing a lot of people saying I'm taking
the point spread and I'm sprinkling on the money line.
They like, people weren't looking to be that greedy with
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this game, and yet in overtime, improbably Vikings win this
football game. I was floored, Like, and I assume your
reaction was similar. Yeah, I was completely floored by this result.
I I just thought, no way, now I did. I was.
I was, you know, one of those people who thought
that Vikings money line was the correct or not Vikings
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money line, but Vikings, you know plus eight was the
correct bet. I wrote that and my column on Rhodo
Experts on Friday. But you know, you know when you're
when you're gambling, you're not You're not gonna gamble on
one team plus eight points and then the money line
for the other team. So that was a game that
I kind of stayed away from for money line purposes.
But I had, you know, I had the Saints in
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every every fantasy contest that I was in over in
the postseason. So like, that's a disaster, like using your
using a roster spot on Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara, Drew Brees,
that is just a stone cold disaster. It also probably
means that you know that those lineups, they're not using
Dalvin Cook, they're not using Adam Theeland, they're not using
Stavon Diggs. So that's a disaster. Like it just I
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got everything about this game wrong. I had New Orleans
Saints to win the NFC futures, and I think the
biggest lesson that I can take away from all of
this is that I mean, it's it's just a it's
a disaster to not have a bye week as an
elite team. If you are an elite team, the biggest
thing that you need to be worrying about during the
regular season is finding a way to get the bye week,
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because in an NFL game, just random stuff can happen,
and random stuff happened in this game, and that caused
the Saints to lose. And I don't think anyone would
argue that they are a worst team than than the Packers.
I think most people would say they are better. But
the Packers found a way to get the buy and
that is gonna that's just gonna be so meaningful for them. Yeah,
you know one thing, Davis, I I was you know,
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during the regular season, I played the touchdown passing props
for a lot of different games. Over I'd usually go
for the over one and a half touchdown passes, and
I actually don't think any quarterback through from multiple touchdown
passes this week, But Breeze was the quarterback who saw
two and a half touchdown passes listed at a lot
of books. And it was with reason, I believe six
of the seven games since he came back. When it
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was at first game against Arizona, he went for three
or more touchdown passes, which is incredible, thirty three eight
yards a touchdown and an interception. Look, it's not a
disgrace of a game, but nowhere near what you would
expect from Drew Brees. And now the question lingers, you
know what's next, slash what's left for Breeze? I mean,
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it's just we're gonna see him come back next year.
It's gonna be the exact same thing, which is that
when he gets to the playoffs, when he's been playing
football for two months straight and actually he got arrest
this year, with that those six weeks off in the
middle of the season, he just he just does not
really have the arm strength left. And the Saints offense
has to change a little bit. We saw him miss
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deep on that throw to Ted Gain, We saw him
sail one high to tray Kuan Smith. Just really did
not look like Drew Brees, very similar to how Tom
Brady has not looked like Tom Brady this year. So
is Drew Brees gonna be back in New Orleans next year?
I think almost certainly. I would say, that's like a
you know, an eight five percent probability type of occurrence.
So I think we should feel pretty good about that happening.
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But the Saints are they're gonna have to be even
better on offense. You know, they're gonna have to sign
more veteran playmakers. They're gonna have to spend more resources
on getting more offensive players because as your quarterback ages,
it has to be a better and better environment for
them to continue to succeed. And the way he closed
the year, like if the arm strength is gonna go
like it's gonna go, there should still be ways to win.
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The only reason why the brief stuff I guess would
be up in the air is they do seem to
want to hand this over to Teddy. If I'm not
mistaking a free agent this year, Like, how are they
going to navigate this situation? Can they really convince him
again to sit behind Breeze? And wait, hey man, not
only not only is Teddy Bridgewater free agent, Taysom Hill
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is a free agent. In fact, all three of the
Saints quarterbacks technically, technically, the way all three of their
contracts are structured, all three of them can leave the
team in free agency this year. I would actually say
the if you parlayed all three of them, it would
be like minus one ten for all three to still
be on the roster next year. Because if you if
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you look at some of the teams that need a
starting quarterback, I don't know how many of them are
gonna be wanting to gamble on Teddy Bridgewater. So like
the spot that I, oh, man, what if the Patriots
signed Teddy Bridgewater? What if what if Brady Lee eaves
and they say we'll give you a one year, twenty
five million dollar contract to be the quarterback of the
New England Patriots, Like how how does Teddy Bridgewater say
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no to that? That's the thing, like if if the
money comes and the opportunity comes, like I know, like
there's you know, there's the joke, and it probably comes
from like you know, the show Blue Mountain, State of
like the dream is to be a backup quarterback, not
when you've worked your whole life to be a starting
NFL quarterback, Like it is not going to I think
be easy to pay Teddy enough for him to be
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cool with sitting behind Breeze again. And you know, if
we're honest, like next year, if Breeze shows cracks in
the regular season, which I wouldn't bet on because I mean,
the dude ridiculous, Like he's so freaking good. But if so,
then we will get to the point where people will say,
what about Teddy? What about Teddy? What about Teddy? So
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this is where I actually think they're headed for a
pretty interesting offseason in terms of the skill players they've
the receiving corps always been weird. Michael Thomas, to me,
he's the best receiver in football. And I'm not saying
that into trying debate who's the best receiver in football,
But when you look at the numbers, like, just let
it be, that's who it is. But there's never been
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a number you know another guy feels like next to him.
Kamara had a super weird season. Latin Murray really didn't
play the way you would would have thought. Jared Cook
had a hot stretch, you know, paired with a lot
of cold stretches. Like, what is this skill position room
gonna look like? Michael Thomas's wide receiver one, no doubt
about it. What are you doing with Kamara next year?
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So Kamara is gonna be an awesome guy in fantasy
next year. So the combination of him having bad season
long numbers, Latavius Murray having good numbers when he subbed in,
the Saints leaving the playoffs disappointingly and leaving the playoffs early,
all of that is going to add up into Alvin
Kamara being a huge value. He was like a top four,
top five pick this year. I would be incredibly surprised
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if he ends up being a consensus first round picks
next year. And to me, he has a stone cold
lock to be there. He actually was used as a
starter this year more often than he had been in
years past. He just was less efficient, and he finally
started being more efficient towards towards the end of the
season when he started he scored you know, five touchdowns
over the saints last four games. But to me, Alan
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Kamara is the same guy that he always has been.
And if Drew Brees, you know, we we think that
he declines a little bit more, it's actually probably more
likely that they they lean on the running backs a
little bit more heavily, become more run heavy in the
red zone, become more run heavy overall, and that's gonna
be huge for Albn Kamara. With in terms of Michael Thomas,
and I would assume he's won one. If he's not,
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let me know, But I'm trying to figure out of
ways where he then wouldn't be. Let's say they get
Antonio Brown next year, this all this stuff gets cleared
up and he's a member of this football team. What
happens then if there is a guy of that talent
level next to Michael Thomas, will he still be the
top widers eiver? And there's just no way anybody can
move him off that spot. For that to happen, their
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offense would definitely have to structurally change. Michael Thomas is
a very good wide receiver. You know, I agree with you.
I think he is the best wide receiver in the NFL.
But he also gets targeted like it like he gets
targeted at a like a thirty five percent clip in
some of these games. You know he's gonna end the
year with most targets, with the highest target share. And
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if you bring in Antonio Brown, or you draft one
of these elite young wide receivers and they draft Tyler
Johnson from the University of Minnesota in the first round
or something like that, and you move his target share
from thirty three, while he's still gonna be great. He's
still gonna be a top five fantasy wide receiver clearly. Uh.
It definitely is going to bring him back towards the
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pack essentially, And the reason for that is he is
a pretty low average depth of target. And if you stack,
you know, eight yard catches up on top of each other,
they're super valuable. But if if you're getting a eight
yard catches instead of thirteen eight yard catches, that just
changes the calculus of how good you are for fantasy
a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely, well said there, we come back.
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Let's talk about this Viking performance and what kind of
chance they have going in to the number one seed
San Francisco for de Niners building next week. They've also
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the Vikings Davis and again an incredible performance. And you know,
part of the reason I think a lot of people
though we were hammering the Saints is the lasting image
of Cousins playing at home with the North on the
line in the primetime game. I guess he was saved
because this game wasn't played on a Monday. Um played
well enough, but Dalvin Cook was also tremendous in his
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football game. Adam Deeling was incredible in this football game.
And I mean there's a lot of positives to to
take from this Minnesota team. What stands out for you
a lot of a lot of solid performance is pretty
much all the way around. Dalvin Cook was very good, healing,
started out super rough. You know, had a fumble, had
a bad drop as well, but obviously pick things up
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a bunch and you know it's step digs Old, A B. C. Johnson.
Those guys were not as involved. Kyle Rudolph was good
when called upon. I thought that after getting burned on
that deep throw from Taysom Hill to Deonte Harris that
Xavier Rhodes was pretty solid in this game. Really, I
think what you have with the Vikings is you have
a team with a lot of good players on both
sides of the ball. They are well coached, they're well prepared.
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But where they're gonna end you know, where they are
going to end up, you know at the end of
the season is that, uh, you know, they just don't
quite have enough talent and their coach is not quite
imaginative enough to get them over the hump. You know.
In terms of this game, I was interested in playing
over rushing and receiving Dalvin Cook and feelings over receiving arts.
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And I'm not saying that to pat myself on the
back because I didn't play them, so I didn't benefit
from them. Like people who lie about that stuff, they say,
oh I hate it, I crushed it. I was nervous
about it. Because both entered this game banged up throughout
the year, and the one white all lock in and
a prop to miss if you're playing overs is people
for people to get hurt, right Davis. So these guys
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had awesome performances in terms of the health factor. Forget
just how great they were the health factor. Can we
move past that? Can we trust now that you know
Dealing and Cook or you know, they feel like all
system goes, you know, whether you're playing props or you're
putting them in fantasy lineups. I think that you have
to expect that both of them are healthy right now.
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You know, Adam Feeling was targeted nine times in this game.
Steph Diggs was the subject of a ton of you know,
tough coverage, like a lot of tough coverage, both from
safety help over the top and that matchup against Marshawn Lattimore.
But I think that you know, obviously Dalvin Cook had
twenty eight carries and five targets in this game. I
think that we have to trust that he's over his
shoulder injury. So, you know, just looking at this Vikings offense,
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I do do think in terms of projecting them moving forward,
we have to think this is their full strength team.
So how do you think you're you're gonna be approaching
this team fantasy wise heading into to San fran Who
do you think you're gonna be targeting. So I think
that's a very tough spot for them because you know,
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a lot of what the Vikings do is uh specifically
with feeling and digs. Those guys are really put on
an island and asked to win one on one and
the you know, the strength of the Vikings offense really
has been running the ball. And we know that when
you get into the playoffs and you're you're strong rushing
offense is no longer a strong rushing offense, things start
to go pretty sideways. And you know, I can't you
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just see that image in your head of the Vikings
down ten zero and Kirk Cousins is sitting there on
third and twelve and he asked to make a play
and he just turtles for that sack and then the
crowd's going crazy, and as you're you're sitting there with
your Vikings ticket or you're a Vikings fan, and you
just feel horrible watching that scenario play out. Yeah, I
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you know it's and I'm not doing this to discount
the Vikings what they did to me. You know, I
think that's gotta be a little impressive win that anybody
had the weekend, right, they were the biggest dogs and
they went out right in the dome, not an easy
place to win. But I absolutely think the route could
be on. I'm not positive that Kirk Cousins is able
to go out there and play you know, games of
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this caliber, you know, back to back games. Maybe you
know there's enough talent around him to to where that's
not the case. David's where he doesn't have to write,
like he doesn't have to be what you know, a
Lamar or Pat Mahomes are on a given day. But
that's six and a half you talk about, right, the
Ravens and nine and a half is not gonna be there.
You think this thing gets to say seven and a
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half when you know you have this conversation next week.
I I would expect that things would start to move
that direction. And you know, if we get in a
similar situation where it gets all the way to eight
eight and a half something like that, I would actually
like the Vikings. So again, yeah, I think that's smart though, right,
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And that's you know, that's the importance of numbers. Like
you know, people think like you think they're gonna win
the game, Like how much does a point matter? Come on?
Like this is like all of that stuff can make
a massive difference. Let's move over to the Eagles and
the Philly game here, the Philly in Seahawks game rather
excuse me, uh, that we had because then it will
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kind of free us up on the backside. We can
start to talk about the teams who didn't play this week,
and you know, you're full on approach to them and
fantasy and really you know, break down these lines and
and different things like that. There's a plenty of you know,
stuff that we can get into here. Seattle wins seventeen nine,
it stays way under. It's one of these things though,
where if you cash tickets in this game, you feel
great about it. But the butterfly effect of if Carson
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Wentz plays, who knows if this thing would have sailed under?
Who knows if the Eagles could have played better. It's
this weird spot here for them. But what is your
confidence in Seattle going into Green Bay off of this performance? Uh?
My confidence is decently high, you know, I think that Uh,
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I think that Green Bay is just not that good
of a team, you know. I I they were, Yes,
they were thirteen and three, But no, I don't think
that they are is as good as their record says.
You know, I think that we saw the forty Niners
smack the Packers, and I think that the Seahawks are
capable of a similar performance. However, the the the caveat
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that you always have to give to the Seahawks is
they might just galaxy brain themselves out of any given
game by trying to run the ball too much, uh,
you know, by calling like Pete Carroll will just call
crazy plays. Brian Schottenheimer will like routinely forget that you
know that Russell Wilson is his quarterback basically, And if
that happens, you know, I could see the Packers winning
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this game to ten, Like I could just see them
running away with it if that happens. But you know,
the the biggest thing with the Packers is Aaron Rodgers
is just not Aaron Rodgers anymore. And a lot of
the times in these gambling lines, you the world still
treats Aaron Rodgers like he's one of the five best quarterbacks. Yeah,
and It's the question with with the Rogers stuff is
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is is that stuff still in there? I think if
you're paying attention, it's clear to see that he's right
now not performing at that level. It's just trying to
navigate whether that stuff in there. It's similar to Brady
I think in a way, right like, Brady did not
play anywhere near top ten quarterback in the league, but
the question still existed is game on the line? Is
Brady still the guy we want the ball with? And
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at the end of the day, I know it's thirty seconds,
balls on the you know you're on one yard line,
game on the line, down one throws a pick six? Like,
do you think that Rogers is still in there? Like?
Are those days just behind us? I mean, I think
that he hasn't been that guy for like three years.
I think right now we're not asking if Rodgers is
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in there. We're asking if like Rodgers is in there.
I just don't see the way anyway any rational person
could watch that Aaron Rodgers game and we seventeen against
the Lions, that absolute must win game against Detroit, and
watch him miss Aaron Jones over and over over and
over again, and then just throw and throw horrible interceptions
(28:12):
like Aaron Rodgers looked no different than Mitch Trabinsky in
that game basically, And uh, you know, I just don't
know how you can watch that and say, Okay, you
know this is still a guy who you can put
out there with anyone, and that guy is gonna go
win U NFL games. I just I just do I
no longer believe that to be true. Yeah, it's it's
wild because I'm a big Rogers guy and usually I like,
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you know, a couple of years back, I would have
loved to, you know, fight you on this, but I can't,
like not, I've I've seen it, uh, and it's all
out there. Look, let's talk about the Philly side of
things in terms of outlook for next year, and we'll
start at the top with Wentz. This was a year
where he was expected to you know, I think there's
a lot of people who felt like he was you know,
maybe a fantasy, uh sleeper option at the quarterback spot, right.
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People you know typically are waiting for their quarterbacks. Maybe
didn't perform to the level that they that they wanted.
Probably not. But again, like the the injuries, it's so weird,
Like how do you think people are gonna treat Whence
in terms of fantasy next year? I think that he
is going to go. He's definitely gonna be a great
late round quarterback in fantasy next year because people are
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just gonna wipe away this four thousand yards season because
it ended so poorly. But I mean, look at how
how efficient he was relative to lead average throwing to
Greg war Jr. J j R. Second White Side, Deonte Burnette,
Robert Davis. You know, like he barely had his full
complement of weapons this year, and you know that just
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uh that that was it certainly was not great for them. Yeah,
I I strong agree it was definitely not great for them.
There's so many guys that, like you can try and
figure out where you're going to slop them, and maybe
this receiving room looks way different next year Davis. So
it could be an unfair question, but there's one guy,
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and this is you know, this is where you know
my ego Green truly shows. I just can't help but
feel like Deshan Jackson is almost underrated injury of the
season because of what he did Week one. I know
it was the Redskins, but he looked so tremendous, and
they had nobody on this roster that could even come
close to repeating what his skill set was. Like. Do
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you see a world where DeShawn Jackson is valuable next year?
Or is it as simple as he's never healthy. He'll
never be healthy and that's it. I don't know if
it's as simple as he'll never be healthy, but certainly
as every year that he ages, I think it's harder
and harder to think that he can put together a
fully healthy season. It's what we talked about at the
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beginning of the show though, when we were talking about
will Fuller, I mean, we talked about how much space
he creates and how that has a positive impact on
the yard's purpose attempt when he's on the field. That
same thing is very true for the Philadelphia Eagles. It
was true when Deshan Jackson was a Tampa Bay buccaneer.
It was true when he played in Washington, It's been
true everywhere he's played. Yeah, and now what about the
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tight end spot here Arts and Goddard. I think Godard's
really shown that he has like I would assume fantasy
players would desperately want for these two to separate because
Goddard looks like he has the talent to give you
comfortable tight end one numbers if he was elsewhere, although
two of agree people thought that about Trey Burton and
that never really materialized in Chicago. How are people going
(31:25):
to approach this tight end room next year in fantasy?
I definitely think that Dallas Goddard, like I love him,
I think that he's going to project really well and
he's for sure going to be overdrafted though you can't
draft you know, he might go in the seventh round
and you just can't. You can't draft a tight end
two there. Yeah, I think that's spot on. We come
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You all right back here Pro Football rewind. I'm Kevin
Waltz joined by Davis Maddock. We're going through the wild
card round of the NFL playoffs here we uh, we're
talking about the Philadelphia Eagles. Davis and backfield again, like
every single part of this team, you know, muddled with injuries. Here,
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What are the expectations for this team? Because I'd like
to think that, you know, fantasy players dream is this
could really open up to a three down situation for
Miles Sanders, who who looks really, really good, I would
say moving forward, Yeah, I I love that for Miles Sanders.
I think Miles Sanders, you know, he went in like
the fifth, sixth round this year, and that was with
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basically no guarantee that he would even have a job
to start the year, and he didn't really you know,
he was firmly playing behind Jordan Howard to begin the
year again, you know, kind of like we talked about
with Devin Singletary at the beginning of the show. Second
round for Miles Sanders, you know, late second round, early
third round, he's probably gonna split work a little bit
with you know, whether it be Jordan Howard, whether it
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be Boston Scott, There's a lot of different guys that
it could be. But the fact that he's so good
at catching passes, the fact that they're willing to use
him at the goal line, all of that is going
to add up into a guy who's gonna have, you know,
just sky high expectations and fantasy next year. And you know,
it's tough to tell, right because you and I know,
you know, how did teams approach them running back position?
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And you know, if you're smart about it, you really
shouldn't be paying them alite top to your money. You
should be able to find ways to get value out
of the running back position without that, or at least
that's the goal, right if you really want to be
able to build a sound team. Last time we were on,
we talked about the rams right in the cap hell
that they are set up for here. I'm curious Davis,
and I'm wondering, if you know, if you could shine
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and a let on what you think how the Eagles
might approach this. Jordan Howard a free agent. You know,
Doug Peterson has never really gone with a full workhorse.
Miles Sanders feels like he has the ability, Like, would
you still expect there's going to be at least another
guy there and this will still be somewhat of a
time share in Philly. Uh, they are for sure going
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to have another guy there now, I don't know if
that's gonna be Boston Scott. I don't know if they're
going to draft a guy you're definitely not gonna get
carries and a hundred targets for Miles Sanders. I just
don't think that's the way they this offense is ever
going to work. However, I don't think that means that
you shouldn't be drafting Miles Sanders that he doesn't have
a ton of upside, because you know, as we've seen
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with guys like Alvin Kamara, it's it really is just
more important to be heavily involved in the passing game
than it is to get thirty total, like like you know,
actually a great example of this would be would you
rather have Derrick Henry next year or Miles Sanders. And
you know that Derrick Henry is probably going to lead
the league and carries, but he literally, I mean this
year he saw eighteen receptions. So if Derrick Henry only
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scores eight touchdowns instead of eighteen, you're looking at a
scenario where all of a sudden, he's a lot less
fun to own because his weekly floor is like six
points instead of ten points, which is what it is
when you're involved in the passing game. And like, for example,
I probably am going to have more Miles Sanders in
my fantasy leagues next year than I will Derrick Henry. Yeah,
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I think that that actually is a perfect way to
look at it. I want to ask you a question,
and though because you are a fan of a team
in the NFC Eastern, because I was having this conversation
with somebody yesterday, and the NFC East took a a
beating this year in terms of the perception, and with reason.
The team they sent to the playoffs was nine and seven.
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The other three teams all fired their head coaches. But
I actually think that the NFC East really could bounce
back if the right hires are made, this Philly team
fully healthy, I think can be one of the best
teams in football. Washington and the Rono the air stuff
might take a little bit of time, but at least
there could be a level of competence there that feels
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like there hasn't been in some time. The Giants, if
they get the higher right, there's at the minimum enough
offensive talent. If Daniel Jones can just give you like
eight percent of jamis is like I'm gonna win every game.
I'm gonna lose every game, all within the same game
stuff to where I think they, you know, could could
at least be a difficult out. And then Dallas, you know,
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I'll say, if they now the higher, if it's Lincoln Riley,
who I think could be really good for this team,
if they now the higher, they as well could compete
with anybody in football. I'm curious on your outlook for
the NFC East next year and how it would respond
to what was absolutely a down year for the division.
(37:20):
So I think everything you said is pretty accurate. I
think Washington still has a lot of work to do
because that that roster, it's just it's not up to snuff.
I do not think that Ron Rivieria is you know,
the right kind of forward thinking higher that a team
like Washington needed to be making. And I think that
ownership is one of the biggest competitive advantages in sports,
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and I think that Washington has one of the worst
ownership situations in all of pro sports. I think you're
absolutely right about Dallas. I think that the Giants situation,
the defense is very bad. But if they are able
to hide, you know, for example, if the if the
Giants hired Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma instead of Elis and
they were like, Okay, all we want you to do
(38:03):
is not let Daniel Jones turn the ball over. Just
get in the lab with him and just figure out
his brain and tell him to stop turning the ball over,
stop throwing interception, stop having these horrible, horrible fumbles. Uh.
Then I think that I think that the Giants, like legitimately,
they could win the division next year because I think
Daniel Jones is good like Daniel Jones like, so let's like, like,
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let's let's take this a step further. If Lincoln Riley
is the coach of the Giants Daniel Jones, then is
QB what in preseason rankings, like, is it a bridge
too far to say eight? Uh? No, I mean I
don't think that's a bridge too far. I think that
the great thing about the NFC East year to year
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is you could just just tell me anything, anything happens
in this division other than Washington winning it, and I
probably believe you, like, oh, the Cowboys win thirteen games,
smoked a division? Fine, Uh, the the Eagles win two games,
the Eagles win fourteen games or whatever. I I believe you. Yeah, No,
it's it's the NFC East is absolutely a wild place.
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What I want to start to do, though, Davis, is
ask you how you think you'll gowing You're going to
be approaching the teams that were coming off of the
Boys from a fantasy fantasy perspective, putting them in your lineups,
And I'll go chronologically here. So the Niners. The first
thing that supplies to, how do you think you're gonna
be targeting Jimmy Garoppolo and co? In fantasy for next week? Uh,
(39:31):
Jimmy Garoppolo and his teammates in fantasy next week. I
think there is gonna be some edge in these contests
on VANDOL un DraftKings in pairing Jimmy Garoppolo with non
George Kittle teammates. Now, of course, George Kittle is the
best play on the forty niner, is better than the
running backs, better than Sanders, better than Debot. But Jimmy
unpaired from Kittle as like a like a stack on
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these daily fantasy websites, is going to be such a
unique combination that I'm going to be very interested in
per doing that and insured most or I scored like
eight straight games something like that, Like is this a
guy who we can just trust he'll he'll find his
way into the end zone? Man if it feels impossible, right,
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It just feels like it's impossible for him to create
touchdowns at this point. It's just like why even bother?
It's never happening. Yeah, so look like the Ravens then
are it's one of those things where Lamar is likely
to be the most expensive quarterback. I would think maybe
not right, Maybe maybe it is actually my homes because
(40:38):
that total is a bit higher, So maybe that ends
up being the deciding factor. Actually, maybe that's the question.
I'll even pose it in that way. If you had
to pay the price for mahomes or Lamar. Which one
do you think you would roll with? I I take
Lamar because Lamar just you you know, you know, he's
never having a bad fantasy game, He's never having a
(41:00):
bad fantasy season. He's just it's just not in the
way that fantasy scoring is done with how rushing happens
for quarterbacks. And you know, I think that's the most
important thing. And can Mahomes have you know, forty five
point games? Can he go absolutely bonkers? Yes? But Lamar's
floor and ceiling are both higher than mahomes is. Yeah, Man,
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Mahomes has been. It's it's been really interesting. What about
the skill players for Baltimore? Ingram Right, he had the
you know, kind of left it with an injury Week sixteen, Like,
how do you think that? Man? And I'm seeing a
ten actually es like ESPN has that little lines tend
so like within this show, Actually, Davis, we might get
the move that you're talking about. What do you think
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about the skill players for for Baltimore though, and how
valuable they could be for fantasy? Uh? Looking out to
next week? The issue with Lamar for fantasy is it's
so hard to stack him because he creates so many
of the touchdowns himself, and they're a low past attempt offense,
which just means they don't they don't have a ton
of completions, which are really important for PPR league. So
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you know it's it's Mark Ingram and Mark Andrews and
those guys are the touchdown makers. But Marky's Brown, Willie
sneed those guys. It's just very hard for them to
be useful fantasy players because their production is so sporadic
and not that at the end of the year, Like
you know, Bark's Brown's production looks pretty good for a rookie,
but it was so sporadic and hard to nail down
that he was a tough fantasy asset to hold. Yeah,
(42:30):
I think that's well said. In terms of the Chiefs
Tyreek Helsey, I think the last time we talked, you
talked about how Tyree could really pop. I'm sure you know,
the expectation was the Chiefs would be playing against the
Pats in this matchup. Now that they're playing the Texans, Like,
are we looking at a lot of Chiefs stacks for
this upcoming Fantasy week? Yeah? I love, I love, I'm
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gonna love Chief stacks against this very bad Houston Texans
secondary think that the Seahawks Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf. I
think those guys are going to be super interesting, and
I would imagine that, you know, a big chunk of
my lineups are going to be Seahawks players, chiefs players, definitely,
the Texans pass catchers, Fuller Hopkins, Stills, and then just
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you know, loading up on Lamar. Yeah, I think that
sounds like a sound approach to it. One of the
questions things we talked about in game live we were leaving.
Joe Glina was with us and he mentioned Aaron Jones,
just Aaron Jones, the guy that can explode and be like,
if he's not in your in your lineup, you're not cashing.
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How do you think Aaron Jones matches up against Seattle
next week? I think that Aaron Jones is just it's
he's just a tough player overall for opposing teams to
defend because there there is no tell right there. There
just is no tell if they're going to be running
or passing. And that's really the only thing that you
(43:58):
can ask for running back. It's why guys like Boston
Scott and Miles Sanders were so effective for Philadelphia because
just because they're they're in there, you you do not
know what the Eagles are doing. Yeah, that's uh. I
think that's a fair way to look at it. Um,
when we were gonna hit a break shortly and when
we do, because you mentioned it, and I think it's
a good way to close out this segment because we've
kind of hit on everything, and I want to ask
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you just for your draftick because you you know, you
kind of talking to the stack receiver class and there's
a bunch of different ways that that we could take it. Um.
But in terms of a fantasy sleeper, because when you're
doing DFS in week sixteen and ever, you know, seven fifteen,
whatever it is, everybody's playing, there's so many guys, it's
easy for people to be overlooked. How often or how
hard is it to find a true sleeper when you're
(44:44):
playing DFS during the Fantasy playoffs. So it's not so
much about finding sleepers actually, you know, unless there is
someone like you know, maybe if John Ursa for the
Seahawks have been able to have a huge game day.
But actually in these short slates, it's more about avoiding
the studs who do not do well. So for example,
(45:07):
in this four game slate, if you just had not
played Drew Brees and Michael Thomas, your lineup was pretty
much plus e V at that point. It didn't matter
what quarterback wide receiver pairing you had instead of them.
But because the most expensive quarterback wide receiver pairing on
the board did not do well, actually just like did
straight up bad in terms of expected value. Uh, Like,
(45:28):
it's really more important to nail the fades as it
is to nail you know that the best plays. That's
actually that makes all the sense in the world. So
then are there guys that you can tell right now?
And again, I mean you have you have a lot
of time to really, you know, break these things down,
so opinions can change. But are there studs that you
feel like you can look at based on the matchups
that you think they're not making into the lineup? I
(45:54):
mean that the first thing that I'm thinking looking at
these lines is I'm probably not going to play a
ton of Aaron ron Ugert's I'll definitely let Davontae Adams go,
uh and definitely gonna be using DeAndre Hopkins. But in
terms of studs, I think that the guys who I'm
gonna be lowest on relative to the field, are going
to be Davonte Adams, uh and Derrick Henry Nice. I
(46:15):
like it, so we get back, Davis. I want your
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All right, here we go. Let's wrap it up Pro football, Rewind,
Kevin Walsh and Davis Maddick. And Davis, you kind of
alluded to just to how stacked this wide receiver classes,
So I'm sure that is exciting from a fantasy perspective.
Joe Burrow could be a guy people who are interested.
I know, Jonathan Taylor recently declared for the draft, so
I'm curious if there is currently, you know, a draft
take that you find yourself cemented in that you're willing
(47:30):
to share with the people. I think that my best
take on the draft is that Ceedee Lamb is just
like the prototypical and beyond NFL wide receiver. He's not
too big, so he's not gonna be you know, too
bulky to to you know, get in and out of
his breaks at the NFL level. I think he's I
(47:51):
think he's gonna test crazy. You know, he might run
like a four, three five or something wild like that.
I think that he is going to be unreal in
the NFL. And my my biggest hope is just please
let him go to a good team. You know, do
not let this guy go to the Jets. Don't let
this guy go to the Raiders. Like, get my guy,
Ceedee Lamb on a good NFL team because he deserves it, genuinely.
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Davis like all I'm hoping because the draft class is loaded,
all right, So Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy are like
the two prizes of this incredible wide receiver class. I
am hoping that people take the approach of it's so stacked,
we will wait that the Eagles can actually land one
of those two. It's probably far fetched, but man, do
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I want Wence to have one of those two because
they are both freaking special. And I don't care which
one it is. I mean maybe if it's not Jerry Judy,
if it's not Seedee Lamb. I mean, this is so
just pre draft, and you know, things always change when
guys run and we get medicals and all that stuff.
But this is to me the most stacked wide receiver
class I remember since that class which had you know,
(48:56):
Odell beckham Man and DeAndre Hopkinson and all those you know,
Sammy Watkins, like, I mean, it is just the most
loaded class I I really have ever seen, and this
class I think could end up being pretty close to it.
And what's actually funny, though, is everyone thought the twenty
nineteen class was bad, and now it's looking like we
have just studs. We got a J Brown, DK Metcalf,
(49:17):
Kerry McLaurin, like, we have so many guys who are
already good NFL players, But I could see this upcoming
class having, you know, five guys who become like legit
ten year all pro style guys. We I feel like
are in for a very very fun NFL draft. All right,
that'll do it for us here on Pro Football, Rewind
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We were almost through at the a f C. Then
we'll pop over to the NFC, but I want to
spend a little bit more time with the Titans Ravens, Davis,
just at least through uh, you know, the prison of
how you see that matchup going. We we've talked about
(01:02):
a little bit throughout the show here, um, but you've
mentioned that nine and a half that sits out there
for the Ravens and how this thing could get to
ten and a half. And I said, I am usually
and it has cost me. I will wait till the
day of but I think you could be spot on,
and let's be really here, nine and a half to
ten and a half absolutely could make the difference between
winning a bet and losing a bet. Here, so I
(01:25):
am interested, maybe you know, and back in Baltimore, I
agree with you that Texas number might be high. I
don't know if I feel the same way. I feel
like this Ravens team, the route could be on. I
also think that the the route could be on. In fact,
I feel pretty strongly that, uh, the route will be
on the The thing about the Titans is their game
(01:46):
plan works very well when things are going great for them.
So when the Titans are ahead, when the Titans are
in a close game and they're not forced to pass
on first, second, and third down the other team is
biting on the play action, those are the about the
most elite spots as it could get right, and the
Ravens are just they're not gonna let that happen. They're
(02:08):
gonna be They're gonna be up seven. Oh, it's gonna
feel like almost before the ball gets kicked off. And
you know, I also don't think Tennessee's defense is that good.
There's been a ton of situations this year where Tennessee's
defense has given up a ton of points to bad,
you know, bad offenses, non efficient passing offenses. And the
Ravens are both a very efficient passing offense and a
(02:29):
very efficient rushing offense. So I think the nine and
a half number you guys are watching this right there,
and you see that nine and a half number, I
think that you should jump on it right now. Yeah,
And I'll tell you the one thing that I am
looking at and you you kind of mentioned it. They're
like the Titans and their defense, how great they are.
The totals forty eight and it is, you know, it's
right up there with with the you know, the Texas
(02:51):
chief Nuwhere that I see a forty eight and a half,
I'm not mistaken. In the ten games that town Hill
started before the postseason was nine and one to the over.
I know people could say the post reason as a
different animal, but also that Patriots offense is just not
going to you know, force them to have to move
the football. I think that we could see a lot
of points in Ravens Titans, and you know early on
(03:12):
a you know, a week out almost from the game.
But I think I could see myself playing that over. Yeah,
I I would. I would definitely be on the side
of an over there because you know, I think, of course,
even against a good defense, I do think the Titans
have the ability. One. They have the ability on big plays,
you know, with a J. Brown and with how Ryan
(03:32):
Tanniel is so good at keeping plays alive after the
pocket breaks down, or at least he's been able to
do that this year. But also, this is a playoffs,
So Lamar Jackson, he's playing four quarters that they can
be up four, they could be up twenty. They're not
pulling Lamar Jackson. They're not They're not calling the dogs
off in a playoff game, in a home playoff game. Uh,
you know they they are. They are gonna be They're
(03:53):
gonna be looking to put up forty They're gonna be
looking to score the maximum amount of points possible. So
I do think that is uh, I do think that
is a pretty big part of this. Yeah, and let's
be real here, if right, because there's gonna be people
who will be like, right, well, what if they're what
if they're up like forty two, but then the over's
gonna hit and what's gonna hit? Like that's the you
know what I mean? And and then like by a
little bit also if you think that's in play, like
(04:15):
if that's your fear on not wanted to play the
total because Lamar doesn't get you all forty nine points
and play the Ravens minus nine and a half, ten
and a half alternate spread of twenty and a half,
like play every single available option out there, you know, Davis.
I also wanted to ask you in terms of how
often you know when you're bet in the NFL, do
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you play teasers? Honestly? And it's like, you know, we
right New Year right, New Year, knew me. I week
seventeen played two thirteen four team teaser thirteen point four
teen teasers and both one three and one, and I
was like, all right, I gotta stop this because you're
laying minus choose what points spreads that high? I know
typically people player at the six point of the seven
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point teasers, but it almost feels too good to be
true with the Chiefs and the Ravens both down to
you know, if you're playing seven point teasers under a
field goal, it is so attractive. Do you play teasers?
And do you think you could see yourself with those combos? Honestly?
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I I do not play teasers. I I think that
you know, teasers have they have good expected value some
of the time. But I spend so much of my
time in betting on grinding, you know, basically like kind
of like low limit prop markets, Like I like to
do a lot of in game betting. I like to
do a lot of player prop betting that you know,
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I just find those angles to be more profitable. Now,
if I was trying to get you know, twenty K
down a weekend on bets, there just wouldn't get a point, right,
There's no point and there's no point in betting, you know,
over four catches for James White if you're trying to
get that kind of money down. However, if you are
trying to you know, if you're if you're just trying
to grind out you know, a good, good recreational profit.
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I do kind of like something. I why I love
these smaller markets, like you know, play props and stuff.
But you know, I'm actually reading I'll give I'll give
a little plug here. I'm reading Ed Miller's book The
Logic of Sports Betting, and specifically in there he talks
about how, you know, a lot of intelligent sports betters are.
You know, people on Twitter they'll say, oh, well, well,
parlays are actually bad. You're not. You're not you're not
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getting good enough odds for the commisserian amount that you're risking.
But actually that's not true. You are. You are a
lot of the times actually getting good odds on on
those parlays, because all it's really doing is just rolling
up your success rate on top of one another. So
I don't I don't think that parlays and teasers are bad.
I just don't spend a ton of time on them myself. Yeah, well,
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let me ask you another question then, Actually along those lines,
it's something I extra an in game live and I'd
love your take on it, you know. Today in the
Eagles game, I was really interested in playing both Goddard
and urges over on receiving yards, feeling like at least
one of them would cash, maybe they would both cash,
just considering the receiving cores that was there. The reason
I ended up not doing it, And this is why people,
you know, you have to have different you know, places
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that you can shop. That's the ideal way, you know,
to to bet. I didn't think I was getting good numbers,
like I was asking around which you know, and people
just had significantly better numbers. I felt like them what
I was having because props can come down to very
very slight margins now the way, you know, So I
ended up not playing them. I passed. Both would have
cashed and actually with relative ease considering on the receiving
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yard days that Goddard and Earth's played. When you're looking
at grind these things out, how much of a gap
could you potentially need to see from what the rest
of the market might be showing to maybe what you're
looking at in terms of a props total. I think
that you can get massive gaps, like I I like,
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there was there was one the other night that I
was looking at and it was a it was actually
a basketball one, but I saw I saw a prop
that had a twenty five percent difference in terms of
the value you in terms of what we expected. It
was Gordon Hayward points, rebounds plus assists and it actually
lost and it was It's kind of funny, and it
just anytime you get these bets that you think are
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like ore are the Golden Goose, it wasn't against the Kemba.
Walker was out and it was yeah, yeah, his rebounds,
his rebounds, points plus assists was twenty eight and a half,
which is like, I mean, that was like it was
like seven or eight off from the number that we
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had on Daily Roado dot com. And it didn't hit.
But that just gives you an example of like how
and and it's not to say it's bad because the
like the books are not sweating it that much, but
there's definitely edged to be had. That's so funny that
that it's the only Hayward probably played. But I also
it's like Kemba's out, like I could see it. You know,
you look through some some of the projections, you only
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I one assists like that was the real killer with that.
That's so funny you bring that up. All right, we
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All right, we are back here on Pro football rewind
gonna start to break into the NFC wild Card round.
But I will also be selfish Davis. At any point,
you got any Laker Pistons props you're playing, throw them
out there. But let's start with the Vikings and the
Saints game twenty The Vikings win, and um man, this
was crazy, Like, there's so many different reasons why this
was improbable, and one of the best ways I think
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to represent how unlikely this was. They were people out
there who said, I'm taking the point spread with the Vikings.
I just think it's a little too many points to
be laying in the postseason. While the Saints went at home,
they haven't necessarily been throttling teams at home. But you
weren't really hearing a lot of people saying I'm taking
the point spread and I'm sprinkling on the money line.
They like, people weren't looking to be that greedy with
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this game, and yet in overtime, improbably Vikings win this
football game. I was floored, Like, and I assume your
reaction was similar. Yeah, I was completely floored by this result.
I I just thought, no way, now I did. I was.
I was, you know, one of those people who thought
that Vikings money line was the correct or not Vikings
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money line, but Vikings, you know plus eight was the
correct bet. I wrote that and my column on Rhodo
Experts on Friday. But you know, you know when you're
when you're gambling, you're not You're not gonna gamble on
one team plus eight points and then the money line
for the other team. So that was a game that
I kind of stayed away from for money line purposes.
But I had, you know, I had the Saints in
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every every fantasy contest that I was in over in
the postseason. So like, that's a disaster, like using your
using a roster spot on Michael Thomas, Alvin Kamara, Drew Brees,
that is just a stone cold disaster. It also probably
means that you know that those lineups, they're not using
Dalvin Cook, they're not using Adam Theeland, they're not using
Stavon Diggs. So that's a disaster. Like it just I
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got everything about this game wrong. I had New Orleans
Saints to win the NFC futures, and I think the
biggest lesson that I can take away from all of
this is that I mean, it's it's just a it's
a disaster to not have a bye week as an
elite team. If you are an elite team, the biggest
thing that you need to be worrying about during the
regular season is finding a way to get the bye week,
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because in an NFL game, just random stuff can happen,
and random stuff happened in this game, and that caused
the Saints to lose. And I don't think anyone would
argue that they are a worst team than than the Packers.
I think most people would say they are better. But
the Packers found a way to get the buy and
that is gonna that's just gonna be so meaningful for them. Yeah,
you know one thing, Davis, I I was you know,
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during the regular season, I played the touchdown passing props
for a lot of different games. Over I'd usually go
for the over one and a half touchdown passes, and
I actually don't think any quarterback through from multiple touchdown
passes this week, But Breeze was the quarterback who saw
two and a half touchdown passes listed at a lot
of books. And it was with reason, I believe six
of the seven games since he came back. When it
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was at first game against Arizona, he went for three
or more touchdown passes, which is incredible, thirty three eight
yards a touchdown and an interception. Look, it's not a
disgrace of a game, but nowhere near what you would
expect from Drew Brees. And now the question lingers, you
know what's next, slash what's left for Breeze? I mean,
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it's just we're gonna see him come back next year.
It's gonna be the exact same thing, which is that
when he gets to the playoffs, when he's been playing
football for two months straight and actually he got arrest
this year, with that those six weeks off in the
middle of the season, he just he just does not
really have the arm strength left. And the Saints offense
has to change a little bit. We saw him miss
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deep on that throw to Ted Gain, We saw him
sail one high to tray Kuan Smith. Just really did
not look like Drew Brees, very similar to how Tom
Brady has not looked like Tom Brady this year. So
is Drew Brees gonna be back in New Orleans next year?
I think almost certainly. I would say, that's like a
you know, an eight five percent probability type of occurrence.
So I think we should feel pretty good about that happening.
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But the Saints are they're gonna have to be even
better on offense. You know, they're gonna have to sign
more veteran playmakers. They're gonna have to spend more resources
on getting more offensive players because as your quarterback ages,
it has to be a better and better environment for
them to continue to succeed. And the way he closed
the year, like if the arm strength is gonna go
like it's gonna go, there should still be ways to win.
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The only reason why the brief stuff I guess would
be up in the air is they do seem to
want to hand this over to Teddy. If I'm not
mistaking a free agent this year, Like, how are they
going to navigate this situation? Can they really convince him
again to sit behind Breeze? And wait, hey man, not
only not only is Teddy Bridgewater free agent, Taysom Hill
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is a free agent. In fact, all three of the
Saints quarterbacks technically, technically, the way all three of their
contracts are structured, all three of them can leave the
team in free agency this year. I would actually say
the if you parlayed all three of them, it would
be like minus one ten for all three to still
be on the roster next year. Because if you if
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you look at some of the teams that need a
starting quarterback, I don't know how many of them are
gonna be wanting to gamble on Teddy Bridgewater. So like
the spot that I, oh, man, what if the Patriots
signed Teddy Bridgewater? What if what if Brady Lee eaves
and they say we'll give you a one year, twenty
five million dollar contract to be the quarterback of the
New England Patriots, Like how how does Teddy Bridgewater say
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no to that? That's the thing, like if if the
money comes and the opportunity comes, like I know, like
there's you know, there's the joke, and it probably comes
from like you know, the show Blue Mountain, State of
like the dream is to be a backup quarterback, not
when you've worked your whole life to be a starting
NFL quarterback, Like it is not going to I think
be easy to pay Teddy enough for him to be
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cool with sitting behind Breeze again. And you know, if
we're honest, like next year, if Breeze shows cracks in
the regular season, which I wouldn't bet on because I mean,
the dude ridiculous, Like he's so freaking good. But if so,
then we will get to the point where people will say,
what about Teddy? What about Teddy? What about Teddy? So
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this is where I actually think they're headed for a
pretty interesting offseason in terms of the skill players they've
the receiving corps always been weird. Michael Thomas, to me,
he's the best receiver in football. And I'm not saying
that into trying debate who's the best receiver in football,
But when you look at the numbers, like, just let
it be, that's who it is. But there's never been
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a number you know another guy feels like next to him.
Kamara had a super weird season. Latin Murray really didn't
play the way you would would have thought. Jared Cook
had a hot stretch, you know, paired with a lot
of cold stretches. Like, what is this skill position room
gonna look like? Michael Thomas's wide receiver one, no doubt
about it. What are you doing with Kamara next year?
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So Kamara is gonna be an awesome guy in fantasy
next year. So the combination of him having bad season
long numbers, Latavius Murray having good numbers when he subbed in,
the Saints leaving the playoffs disappointingly and leaving the playoffs early,
all of that is going to add up into Alvin
Kamara being a huge value. He was like a top four,
top five pick this year. I would be incredibly surprised
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if he ends up being a consensus first round picks
next year. And to me, he has a stone cold
lock to be there. He actually was used as a
starter this year more often than he had been in
years past. He just was less efficient, and he finally
started being more efficient towards towards the end of the
season when he started he scored you know, five touchdowns
over the saints last four games. But to me, Alan
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Kamara is the same guy that he always has been.
And if Drew Brees, you know, we we think that
he declines a little bit more, it's actually probably more
likely that they they lean on the running backs a
little bit more heavily, become more run heavy in the
red zone, become more run heavy overall, and that's gonna
be huge for Albn Kamara. With in terms of Michael Thomas,
and I would assume he's won one. If he's not,
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let me know, But I'm trying to figure out of
ways where he then wouldn't be. Let's say they get
Antonio Brown next year, this all this stuff gets cleared
up and he's a member of this football team. What
happens then if there is a guy of that talent
level next to Michael Thomas, will he still be the
top widers eiver? And there's just no way anybody can
move him off that spot. For that to happen, their
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offense would definitely have to structurally change. Michael Thomas is
a very good wide receiver. You know, I agree with you.
I think he is the best wide receiver in the NFL.
But he also gets targeted like it like he gets
targeted at a like a thirty five percent clip in
some of these games. You know he's gonna end the
year with most targets, with the highest target share. And
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if you bring in Antonio Brown, or you draft one
of these elite young wide receivers and they draft Tyler
Johnson from the University of Minnesota in the first round
or something like that, and you move his target share
from thirty three, while he's still gonna be great. He's
still gonna be a top five fantasy wide receiver clearly. Uh.
It definitely is going to bring him back towards the
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pack essentially, And the reason for that is he is
a pretty low average depth of target. And if you stack,
you know, eight yard catches up on top of each other,
they're super valuable. But if if you're getting a eight
yard catches instead of thirteen eight yard catches, that just
changes the calculus of how good you are for fantasy
a little bit. Yeah. Absolutely, well said there, we come back.
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chance they have going in to the number one seed
San Francisco for de Niners building next week. They've also
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the Vikings Davis and again an incredible performance. And you know,
part of the reason I think a lot of people
though we were hammering the Saints is the lasting image
of Cousins playing at home with the North on the
line in the primetime game. I guess he was saved
because this game wasn't played on a Monday. Um played
well enough, but Dalvin Cook was also tremendous in his
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football game. Adam Deeling was incredible in this football game.
And I mean there's a lot of positives to to
take from this Minnesota team. What stands out for you
a lot of a lot of solid performance is pretty
much all the way around. Dalvin Cook was very good, healing,
started out super rough. You know, had a fumble, had
a bad drop as well, but obviously pick things up
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a bunch and you know it's step digs Old, A B. C. Johnson.
Those guys were not as involved. Kyle Rudolph was good
when called upon. I thought that after getting burned on
that deep throw from Taysom Hill to Deonte Harris that
Xavier Rhodes was pretty solid in this game. Really, I
think what you have with the Vikings is you have
a team with a lot of good players on both
sides of the ball. They are well coached, they're well prepared.
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But where they're gonna end you know, where they are
going to end up, you know at the end of
the season is that, uh, you know, they just don't
quite have enough talent and their coach is not quite
imaginative enough to get them over the hump. You know.
In terms of this game, I was interested in playing
over rushing and receiving Dalvin Cook and feelings over receiving arts.
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And I'm not saying that to pat myself on the
back because I didn't play them, so I didn't benefit
from them. Like people who lie about that stuff, they say,
oh I hate it, I crushed it. I was nervous
about it. Because both entered this game banged up throughout
the year, and the one white all lock in and
a prop to miss if you're playing overs is people
for people to get hurt, right Davis. So these guys
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had awesome performances in terms of the health factor. Forget
just how great they were the health factor. Can we
move past that? Can we trust now that you know
Dealing and Cook or you know, they feel like all
system goes, you know, whether you're playing props or you're
putting them in fantasy lineups. I think that you have
to expect that both of them are healthy right now.
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You know, Adam Feeling was targeted nine times in this game.
Steph Diggs was the subject of a ton of you know,
tough coverage, like a lot of tough coverage, both from
safety help over the top and that matchup against Marshawn Lattimore.
But I think that you know, obviously Dalvin Cook had
twenty eight carries and five targets in this game. I
think that we have to trust that he's over his
shoulder injury. So, you know, just looking at this Vikings offense,
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I do do think in terms of projecting them moving forward,
we have to think this is their full strength team.
So how do you think you're you're gonna be approaching
this team fantasy wise heading into to San fran Who
do you think you're gonna be targeting. So I think
that's a very tough spot for them because you know,
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a lot of what the Vikings do is uh specifically
with feeling and digs. Those guys are really put on
an island and asked to win one on one and
the you know, the strength of the Vikings offense really
has been running the ball. And we know that when
you get into the playoffs and you're you're strong rushing
offense is no longer a strong rushing offense, things start
to go pretty sideways. And you know, I can't you
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just see that image in your head of the Vikings
down ten zero and Kirk Cousins is sitting there on
third and twelve and he asked to make a play
and he just turtles for that sack and then the
crowd's going crazy, and as you're you're sitting there with
your Vikings ticket or you're a Vikings fan, and you
just feel horrible watching that scenario play out. Yeah, I
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you know it's and I'm not doing this to discount
the Vikings what they did to me. You know, I
think that's gotta be a little impressive win that anybody
had the weekend, right, they were the biggest dogs and
they went out right in the dome, not an easy
place to win. But I absolutely think the route could
be on. I'm not positive that Kirk Cousins is able
to go out there and play you know, games of
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this caliber, you know, back to back games. Maybe you
know there's enough talent around him to to where that's
not the case. David's where he doesn't have to write,
like he doesn't have to be what you know, a
Lamar or Pat Mahomes are on a given day. But
that's six and a half you talk about, right, the
Ravens and nine and a half is not gonna be there.
You think this thing gets to say seven and a
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half when you know you have this conversation next week.
I I would expect that things would start to move
that direction. And you know, if we get in a
similar situation where it gets all the way to eight
eight and a half something like that, I would actually
like the Vikings. So again, yeah, I think that's smart though, right,
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And that's you know, that's the importance of numbers. Like
you know, people think like you think they're gonna win
the game, Like how much does a point matter? Come on?
Like this is like all of that stuff can make
a massive difference. Let's move over to the Eagles and
the Philly game here, the Philly in Seahawks game rather
excuse me, uh, that we had because then it will
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kind of free us up on the backside. We can
start to talk about the teams who didn't play this week,
and you know, you're full on approach to them and
fantasy and really you know, break down these lines and
and different things like that. There's a plenty of you know,
stuff that we can get into here. Seattle wins seventeen nine,
it stays way under. It's one of these things though,
where if you cash tickets in this game, you feel
great about it. But the butterfly effect of if Carson
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Wentz plays, who knows if this thing would have sailed under?
Who knows if the Eagles could have played better. It's
this weird spot here for them. But what is your
confidence in Seattle going into Green Bay off of this performance? Uh?
My confidence is decently high, you know, I think that Uh,
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I think that Green Bay is just not that good
of a team, you know. I I they were, Yes,
they were thirteen and three, But no, I don't think
that they are is as good as their record says.
You know, I think that we saw the forty Niners
smack the Packers, and I think that the Seahawks are
capable of a similar performance. However, the the the caveat
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that you always have to give to the Seahawks is
they might just galaxy brain themselves out of any given
game by trying to run the ball too much, uh,
you know, by calling like Pete Carroll will just call
crazy plays. Brian Schottenheimer will like routinely forget that you
know that Russell Wilson is his quarterback basically, And if
that happens, you know, I could see the Packers winning
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this game to ten, Like I could just see them
running away with it if that happens. But you know,
the the biggest thing with the Packers is Aaron Rodgers
is just not Aaron Rodgers anymore. And a lot of
the times in these gambling lines, you the world still
treats Aaron Rodgers like he's one of the five best quarterbacks. Yeah,
and It's the question with with the Rogers stuff is
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is is that stuff still in there? I think if
you're paying attention, it's clear to see that he's right
now not performing at that level. It's just trying to
navigate whether that stuff in there. It's similar to Brady
I think in a way, right like, Brady did not
play anywhere near top ten quarterback in the league, but
the question still existed is game on the line? Is
Brady still the guy we want the ball with? And
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at the end of the day, I know it's thirty seconds,
balls on the you know you're on one yard line,
game on the line, down one throws a pick six? Like,
do you think that Rogers is still in there? Like?
Are those days just behind us? I mean, I think
that he hasn't been that guy for like three years.
I think right now we're not asking if Rodgers is
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in there. We're asking if like Rodgers is in there.
I just don't see the way anyway any rational person
could watch that Aaron Rodgers game and we seventeen against
the Lions, that absolute must win game against Detroit, and
watch him miss Aaron Jones over and over over and
over again, and then just throw and throw horrible interceptions
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like Aaron Rodgers looked no different than Mitch Trabinsky in
that game basically, And uh, you know, I just don't
know how you can watch that and say, Okay, you
know this is still a guy who you can put
out there with anyone, and that guy is gonna go
win U NFL games. I just I just do I
no longer believe that to be true. Yeah, it's it's
wild because I'm a big Rogers guy and usually I like,
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you know, a couple of years back, I would have
loved to, you know, fight you on this, but I can't,
like not, I've I've seen it, uh, and it's all
out there. Look, let's talk about the Philly side of
things in terms of outlook for next year, and we'll
start at the top with Wentz. This was a year
where he was expected to you know, I think there's
a lot of people who felt like he was you know,
maybe a fantasy, uh sleeper option at the quarterback spot, right.
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People you know typically are waiting for their quarterbacks. Maybe
didn't perform to the level that they that they wanted.
Probably not. But again, like the the injuries, it's so weird,
Like how do you think people are gonna treat Whence
in terms of fantasy next year? I think that he
is going to go. He's definitely gonna be a great
late round quarterback in fantasy next year because people are
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just gonna wipe away this four thousand yards season because
it ended so poorly. But I mean, look at how
how efficient he was relative to lead average throwing to
Greg war Jr. J j R. Second White Side, Deonte Burnette,
Robert Davis. You know, like he barely had his full
complement of weapons this year, and you know that just
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uh that that was it certainly was not great for them. Yeah,
I I strong agree it was definitely not great for them.
There's so many guys that, like you can try and
figure out where you're going to slop them, and maybe
this receiving room looks way different next year Davis. So
it could be an unfair question, but there's one guy,
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and this is you know, this is where you know
my ego Green truly shows. I just can't help but
feel like Deshan Jackson is almost underrated injury of the
season because of what he did Week one. I know
it was the Redskins, but he looked so tremendous, and
they had nobody on this roster that could even come
close to repeating what his skill set was. Like. Do
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you see a world where DeShawn Jackson is valuable next year?
Or is it as simple as he's never healthy. He'll
never be healthy and that's it. I don't know if
it's as simple as he'll never be healthy, but certainly
as every year that he ages, I think it's harder
and harder to think that he can put together a
fully healthy season. It's what we talked about at the
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beginning of the show though, when we were talking about
will Fuller, I mean, we talked about how much space
he creates and how that has a positive impact on
the yard's purpose attempt when he's on the field. That
same thing is very true for the Philadelphia Eagles. It
was true when Deshan Jackson was a Tampa Bay buccaneer.
It was true when he played in Washington, It's been
true everywhere he's played. Yeah, and now what about the
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tight end spot here Arts and Goddard. I think Godard's
really shown that he has like I would assume fantasy
players would desperately want for these two to separate because
Goddard looks like he has the talent to give you
comfortable tight end one numbers if he was elsewhere, although
two of agree people thought that about Trey Burton and
that never really materialized in Chicago. How are people going
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to approach this tight end room next year in fantasy?
I definitely think that Dallas Goddard, like I love him,
I think that he's going to project really well and
he's for sure going to be overdrafted though you can't
draft you know, he might go in the seventh round
and you just can't. You can't draft a tight end
two there. Yeah, I think that's spot on. We come
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little bit on the on the running back room, and
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You all right back here Pro Football rewind. I'm Kevin
Waltz joined by Davis Maddock. We're going through the wild
card round of the NFL playoffs here we uh, we're
talking about the Philadelphia Eagles. Davis and backfield again, like
every single part of this team, you know, muddled with injuries. Here,
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What are the expectations for this team? Because I'd like
to think that, you know, fantasy players dream is this
could really open up to a three down situation for
Miles Sanders, who who looks really, really good, I would
say moving forward, Yeah, I I love that for Miles Sanders.
I think Miles Sanders, you know, he went in like
the fifth, sixth round this year, and that was with
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basically no guarantee that he would even have a job
to start the year, and he didn't really you know,
he was firmly playing behind Jordan Howard to begin the
year again, you know, kind of like we talked about
with Devin Singletary at the beginning of the show. Second
round for Miles Sanders, you know, late second round, early
third round, he's probably gonna split work a little bit
with you know, whether it be Jordan Howard, whether it
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be Boston Scott, There's a lot of different guys that
it could be. But the fact that he's so good
at catching passes, the fact that they're willing to use
him at the goal line, all of that is going
to add up into a guy who's gonna have, you know,
just sky high expectations and fantasy next year. And you know,
it's tough to tell, right because you and I know,
you know, how did teams approach them running back position?
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And you know, if you're smart about it, you really
shouldn't be paying them alite top to your money. You
should be able to find ways to get value out
of the running back position without that, or at least
that's the goal, right if you really want to be
able to build a sound team. Last time we were on,
we talked about the rams right in the cap hell
that they are set up for here. I'm curious Davis,
and I'm wondering, if you know, if you could shine
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and a let on what you think how the Eagles
might approach this. Jordan Howard a free agent. You know,
Doug Peterson has never really gone with a full workhorse.
Miles Sanders feels like he has the ability, Like, would
you still expect there's going to be at least another
guy there and this will still be somewhat of a
time share in Philly. Uh, they are for sure going
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to have another guy there now, I don't know if
that's gonna be Boston Scott. I don't know if they're
going to draft a guy you're definitely not gonna get
carries and a hundred targets for Miles Sanders. I just
don't think that's the way they this offense is ever
going to work. However, I don't think that means that
you shouldn't be drafting Miles Sanders that he doesn't have
a ton of upside, because you know, as we've seen
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with guys like Alvin Kamara, it's it really is just
more important to be heavily involved in the passing game
than it is to get thirty total, like like you know,
actually a great example of this would be would you
rather have Derrick Henry next year or Miles Sanders. And
you know that Derrick Henry is probably going to lead
the league and carries, but he literally, I mean this
year he saw eighteen receptions. So if Derrick Henry only
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scores eight touchdowns instead of eighteen, you're looking at a
scenario where all of a sudden, he's a lot less
fun to own because his weekly floor is like six
points instead of ten points, which is what it is
when you're involved in the passing game. And like, for example,
I probably am going to have more Miles Sanders in
my fantasy leagues next year than I will Derrick Henry. Yeah,
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I think that that actually is a perfect way to
look at it. I want to ask you a question,
and though because you are a fan of a team
in the NFC Eastern, because I was having this conversation
with somebody yesterday, and the NFC East took a a
beating this year in terms of the perception, and with reason.
The team they sent to the playoffs was nine and seven.
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The other three teams all fired their head coaches. But
I actually think that the NFC East really could bounce
back if the right hires are made, this Philly team
fully healthy, I think can be one of the best
teams in football. Washington and the Rono the air stuff
might take a little bit of time, but at least
there could be a level of competence there that feels
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like there hasn't been in some time. The Giants, if
they get the higher right, there's at the minimum enough
offensive talent. If Daniel Jones can just give you like
eight percent of jamis is like I'm gonna win every game.
I'm gonna lose every game, all within the same game
stuff to where I think they, you know, could could
at least be a difficult out. And then Dallas, you know,
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I'll say, if they now the higher, if it's Lincoln Riley,
who I think could be really good for this team,
if they now the higher, they as well could compete
with anybody in football. I'm curious on your outlook for
the NFC East next year and how it would respond
to what was absolutely a down year for the division.
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So I think everything you said is pretty accurate. I
think Washington still has a lot of work to do
because that that roster, it's just it's not up to snuff.
I do not think that Ron Rivieria is you know,
the right kind of forward thinking higher that a team
like Washington needed to be making. And I think that
ownership is one of the biggest competitive advantages in sports,
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and I think that Washington has one of the worst
ownership situations in all of pro sports. I think you're
absolutely right about Dallas. I think that the Giants situation,
the defense is very bad. But if they are able
to hide, you know, for example, if the if the
Giants hired Lincoln Riley from Oklahoma instead of Elis and
they were like, Okay, all we want you to do
(38:03):
is not let Daniel Jones turn the ball over. Just
get in the lab with him and just figure out
his brain and tell him to stop turning the ball over,
stop throwing interception, stop having these horrible, horrible fumbles. Uh.
Then I think that I think that the Giants, like legitimately,
they could win the division next year because I think
Daniel Jones is good like Daniel Jones like, so let's like, like,
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let's let's take this a step further. If Lincoln Riley
is the coach of the Giants Daniel Jones, then is
QB what in preseason rankings, like, is it a bridge
too far to say eight? Uh? No, I mean I
don't think that's a bridge too far. I think that
the great thing about the NFC East year to year
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is you could just just tell me anything, anything happens
in this division other than Washington winning it, and I
probably believe you, like, oh, the Cowboys win thirteen games,
smoked a division? Fine, Uh, the the Eagles win two games,
the Eagles win fourteen games or whatever. I I believe you. Yeah, No,
it's it's the NFC East is absolutely a wild place.
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What I want to start to do, though, Davis, is
ask you how you think you'll gowing You're going to
be approaching the teams that were coming off of the
Boys from a fantasy fantasy perspective, putting them in your lineups,
And I'll go chronologically here. So the Niners. The first
thing that supplies to, how do you think you're gonna
be targeting Jimmy Garoppolo and co? In fantasy for next week? Uh,
(39:31):
Jimmy Garoppolo and his teammates in fantasy next week. I
think there is gonna be some edge in these contests
on VANDOL un DraftKings in pairing Jimmy Garoppolo with non
George Kittle teammates. Now, of course, George Kittle is the
best play on the forty niner, is better than the
running backs, better than Sanders, better than Debot. But Jimmy
unpaired from Kittle as like a like a stack on
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these daily fantasy websites, is going to be such a
unique combination that I'm going to be very interested in
per doing that and insured most or I scored like
eight straight games something like that, Like is this a
guy who we can just trust he'll he'll find his
way into the end zone? Man if it feels impossible, right,
(40:17):
It just feels like it's impossible for him to create
touchdowns at this point. It's just like why even bother?
It's never happening. Yeah, so look like the Ravens then
are it's one of those things where Lamar is likely
to be the most expensive quarterback. I would think maybe
not right, Maybe maybe it is actually my homes because
(40:38):
that total is a bit higher, So maybe that ends
up being the deciding factor. Actually, maybe that's the question.
I'll even pose it in that way. If you had
to pay the price for mahomes or Lamar. Which one
do you think you would roll with? I I take
Lamar because Lamar just you you know, you know, he's
never having a bad fantasy game, He's never having a
(41:00):
bad fantasy season. He's just it's just not in the
way that fantasy scoring is done with how rushing happens
for quarterbacks. And you know, I think that's the most
important thing. And can Mahomes have you know, forty five
point games? Can he go absolutely bonkers? Yes? But Lamar's
floor and ceiling are both higher than mahomes is. Yeah, Man,
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Mahomes has been. It's it's been really interesting. What about
the skill players for Baltimore? Ingram Right, he had the
you know, kind of left it with an injury Week sixteen, Like,
how do you think that? Man? And I'm seeing a
ten actually es like ESPN has that little lines tend
so like within this show, Actually, Davis, we might get
the move that you're talking about. What do you think
(41:43):
about the skill players for for Baltimore though, and how
valuable they could be for fantasy? Uh? Looking out to
next week? The issue with Lamar for fantasy is it's
so hard to stack him because he creates so many
of the touchdowns himself, and they're a low past attempt offense,
which just means they don't they don't have a ton
of completions, which are really important for PPR league. So
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you know it's it's Mark Ingram and Mark Andrews and
those guys are the touchdown makers. But Marky's Brown, Willie
sneed those guys. It's just very hard for them to
be useful fantasy players because their production is so sporadic
and not that at the end of the year, Like
you know, Bark's Brown's production looks pretty good for a rookie,
but it was so sporadic and hard to nail down
that he was a tough fantasy asset to hold. Yeah,
(42:30):
I think that's well said. In terms of the Chiefs
Tyreek Helsey, I think the last time we talked, you
talked about how Tyree could really pop. I'm sure you know,
the expectation was the Chiefs would be playing against the
Pats in this matchup. Now that they're playing the Texans, Like,
are we looking at a lot of Chiefs stacks for
this upcoming Fantasy week? Yeah? I love, I love, I'm
(42:55):
gonna love Chief stacks against this very bad Houston Texans
secondary think that the Seahawks Tyler Lockett, DK Metcalf. I
think those guys are going to be super interesting, and
I would imagine that, you know, a big chunk of
my lineups are going to be Seahawks players, chiefs players, definitely,
the Texans pass catchers, Fuller Hopkins, Stills, and then just
(43:17):
you know, loading up on Lamar. Yeah, I think that
sounds like a sound approach to it. One of the
questions things we talked about in game live we were leaving.
Joe Glina was with us and he mentioned Aaron Jones,
just Aaron Jones, the guy that can explode and be like,
if he's not in your in your lineup, you're not cashing.
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How do you think Aaron Jones matches up against Seattle
next week? I think that Aaron Jones is just it's
he's just a tough player overall for opposing teams to
defend because there there is no tell right there. There
just is no tell if they're going to be running
or passing. And that's really the only thing that you
(43:58):
can ask for running back. It's why guys like Boston
Scott and Miles Sanders were so effective for Philadelphia because
just because they're they're in there, you you do not
know what the Eagles are doing. Yeah, that's uh. I
think that's a fair way to look at it. Um,
when we were gonna hit a break shortly and when
we do, because you mentioned it, and I think it's
a good way to close out this segment because we've
kind of hit on everything, and I want to ask
(44:20):
you just for your draftick because you you know, you
kind of talking to the stack receiver class and there's
a bunch of different ways that that we could take it. Um.
But in terms of a fantasy sleeper, because when you're
doing DFS in week sixteen and ever, you know, seven fifteen,
whatever it is, everybody's playing, there's so many guys, it's
easy for people to be overlooked. How often or how
hard is it to find a true sleeper when you're
(44:44):
playing DFS during the Fantasy playoffs. So it's not so
much about finding sleepers actually, you know, unless there is
someone like you know, maybe if John Ursa for the
Seahawks have been able to have a huge game day.
But actually in these short slates, it's more about avoiding
the studs who do not do well. So for example,
(45:07):
in this four game slate, if you just had not
played Drew Brees and Michael Thomas, your lineup was pretty
much plus e V at that point. It didn't matter
what quarterback wide receiver pairing you had instead of them.
But because the most expensive quarterback wide receiver pairing on
the board did not do well, actually just like did
straight up bad in terms of expected value. Uh, Like,
(45:28):
it's really more important to nail the fades as it
is to nail you know that the best plays. That's
actually that makes all the sense in the world. So
then are there guys that you can tell right now?
And again, I mean you have you have a lot
of time to really, you know, break these things down,
so opinions can change. But are there studs that you
feel like you can look at based on the matchups
that you think they're not making into the lineup? I
(45:54):
mean that the first thing that I'm thinking looking at
these lines is I'm probably not going to play a
ton of Aaron ron Ugert's I'll definitely let Davontae Adams go,
uh and definitely gonna be using DeAndre Hopkins. But in
terms of studs, I think that the guys who I'm
gonna be lowest on relative to the field, are going
to be Davonte Adams, uh and Derrick Henry Nice. I
(46:15):
like it, so we get back, Davis. I want your
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All right, here we go. Let's wrap it up Pro football, Rewind,
Kevin Walsh and Davis Maddick. And Davis, you kind of
alluded to just to how stacked this wide receiver classes,
So I'm sure that is exciting from a fantasy perspective.
Joe Burrow could be a guy people who are interested.
I know, Jonathan Taylor recently declared for the draft, so
I'm curious if there is currently, you know, a draft
take that you find yourself cemented in that you're willing
(47:30):
to share with the people. I think that my best
take on the draft is that Ceedee Lamb is just
like the prototypical and beyond NFL wide receiver. He's not
too big, so he's not gonna be you know, too
bulky to to you know, get in and out of
his breaks at the NFL level. I think he's I
(47:51):
think he's gonna test crazy. You know, he might run
like a four, three five or something wild like that.
I think that he is going to be unreal in
the NFL. And my my biggest hope is just please
let him go to a good team. You know, do
not let this guy go to the Jets. Don't let
this guy go to the Raiders. Like, get my guy,
Ceedee Lamb on a good NFL team because he deserves it, genuinely.
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Davis like all I'm hoping because the draft class is loaded,
all right, So Ceedee Lamb and Jerry Judy are like
the two prizes of this incredible wide receiver class. I
am hoping that people take the approach of it's so stacked,
we will wait that the Eagles can actually land one
of those two. It's probably far fetched, but man, do
(48:34):
I want Wence to have one of those two because
they are both freaking special. And I don't care which
one it is. I mean maybe if it's not Jerry Judy,
if it's not Seedee Lamb. I mean, this is so
just pre draft, and you know, things always change when
guys run and we get medicals and all that stuff.
But this is to me the most stacked wide receiver
class I remember since that class which had you know,
(48:56):
Odell beckham Man and DeAndre Hopkinson and all those you know,
Sammy Watkins, like, I mean, it is just the most
loaded class I I really have ever seen, and this
class I think could end up being pretty close to it.
And what's actually funny, though, is everyone thought the twenty
nineteen class was bad, and now it's looking like we
have just studs. We got a J Brown, DK Metcalf,
(49:17):
Kerry McLaurin, like, we have so many guys who are
already good NFL players, But I could see this upcoming
class having, you know, five guys who become like legit
ten year all pro style guys. We I feel like
are in for a very very fun NFL draft. All right,
that'll do it for us here on Pro Football, Rewind
(49:40):
Davis always appreciate the opportunity to hang out with you
and talk some football great stuff. Best of luck to
you throughout the rest of the NFL postseason in your
bets and in fantasy. Everybody who's hung out with us
here on Pro Football, Rewind, we appreciate you. That'll do
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